@tanukitejon HUH?? Just because a fighter is cut and the other isn't doesn't mean the one that's cut lost...did you happen to watch the FIGHT...or did you watch the last round..Hagler DEFINITELY won the fight....
Le robaron la pelea a Durán, en la distancia corta es muy dificil ganarle y Durán nunca le dió distancia a pesar de que pareciera que Hagler fuera más efectivo no pudo colocar ningún golpe.
Solo tienen que mirar la cara de uno y de otro...Durán limpio y Hagler ojo izquierdo casi cerrado y el otro con signos visibles de una gran inflamación...
I would have given this fight to Duran. He was leading after 12 rounds and the last 3 rounds did not see Hagler being that dominant. Duran was older, past his prime, feather weight no light! If they had fought 10 lbs lighter each Duran beats Hagler convincingly. Sorry but Hagler is no marvelous like Duran told him. I cannot see the best feather weight in Duran's days moving up and challenging a prime Duran at light weight.
Who would have thought that Duran would lose a close decision to the Marvelous one?! He gave Hagler all he wanted and then some. That Vito Autofermo comment is ridiculous -- Hagler got robbed but Duran gave and took in this fight and showed me and the world that he was a masterful boxer -- a real stud. Hagler said that he gave Duran too much respect but Hagler could be too methodical at times as we would see later with Leonard where he also appeared to be boxing weary.
Duran is regarded as the greatest lightweight fighter of all time. True, he got utterly destroyed by Hearns but Hearns lost to fighters Duran beat. I feel Hagler is the best middleweight of all time, all apologies to Carlos Monzon. Out of the four fighters, here is how I would rank them, and I already know this is going to be met with derision but this is how i feel:
@dropway9 Except Leonard beat them all, and Duran lost to them all. LOL.
Leonard was clearly the best. In his prime, he beat Hearns, Duran, Benitez. Hearns was a beast, Duran not in the same league as the others. I'd rate him fifth, because he doesn't belong on that list, having lost to each.
He got ass-raped by Hearns, humiliated by Leonard, and soundly beaten by Hagler, although the judges still loved him and made it close.
@InternationalBoy A close, widely disputed decision, in a fight where Leonard fought the worst possible way, but still won the last three rounds on the judges scorecards. When he fought a style better for him, it was a one-sided blowout, where Duran had to quit.
Duran lost to Benitez and Hagler. Hearns put him to sleep in an ugly, yet beautiful, one-sided beating. Leonard made him quit in a fight he was completely outclassed.
@TA152H01 you forget that was Durans first fight at welter in which Leonard was natural at, stop being a mark and give credit where credit is due. coming up from light weight, and He fought Hearns 2 weights above his natrual weight in a division where Hearns was at his best. He also beat the dude that destroyed Hearns twice.
Duran is awesome. He fought everybody in their primes and never waited.
@InternationalBoy Except you're wrong. Duran had been fighting above 140 for a couple of years before facing Leonard.
Duran was not awesome. He lost to every great fighter he got into the ring with. He fought them, yes, but he lost to them as well. One by brutal knockout, the other he was completely outclassed and forced to quit. He was badly beaten by Benitez as well.
Was he afraid to fight people? No. But, still, he lost when he did.
@TA152H01 who did Duran fight above 140 before facing leonard? Names. I can see that im dealing with a Sugar Ray Leonard mark to the fullest. To say Durans not awesome? Dude he is in EVERY True Boxing analists top Pound for pound list. FUck outta here with that bullshit. Youd be laughed at in any boxing circle, Dude was kicking ass in his 40's while Dudes like Leonard were struggling with lack luster opponents like Don Lalonde. Didnt Leonard get TKoed by feather fisted Cammacho? rofl
@InternationalBoy It's comical how worms like you can't stay polite for very long. Leonard aged badly, that's for sure, but at least he was great at some point. Duran wasn't. List of people before Leonard. Weight of Duran next to it. 1980-02-24 147½ Wellington Wheatley 1980-01-13 146½ Joseph Nsubuga 1979-09-28 149½ Zeferino Gonzalez 1979-06-22 145½ Carlos Palomino 1979-04-08 146 Jimmy Heair 1978-12-08 147 Monroe Brooks 1978-09-01 151 Ezequiel Obando Proof enough, moron?
@TA152H01 lol you hella mad right now, LOL@ Leonard aged badly. LOL@you making excuses for your Hero's Shortcomings. Duran was the more complete fighter, somebody who could still fight when his speed and accuracy went downhill. Iran Barkley and Davey Monroe found that out the Hardway. Duran way past his prime beating dudes half his age in their primes winning champs,while Leonard was scared of dudes like Michael Nunn and opted for weak links and still losing. lol@Terry GlassJawNorris
@InternationalBoy Not mad at all, I agree Leonard aged miserably because of drug use. Look at him against Hagler, he looks terrible there too. So did Hagler. Hearns II they look like they're fighting in slow motion. That's what drugs do to you, I guess.
But, Duran never was great. He aged fairly well, but never had the peak greater men had. He was the ugly sister. The stepping stone for the greats to defeat, while he runted off looking for yet another payday.
@TA152H01 lol@Duran was never great, there is no need to even debate with you anymore. Even Your Hero Leonard acknowledges dudes skills. It didnt take him 8 years to finally get in the ring with Hagler as you can see above, LOL@never had the peak. His peak was when he Beat Sugar Ray Leonard in his Prime, something the great Thomas Hearns and Hagler Failed to do.
@InternationalBoy Well, he got a gift decision, in a fight where Leonard fought the worst possible way. Leonard always says Hearns was his most difficult opponent, and we saw what Hearns did to little Roberta.
Leonard wasn't a middleweight, so why would he fight Hagler when he was champ? He saw Hagler had lost a lot, that's why he finally picked the fight.
Let's also acknowledge how ignorant you were about Duran's fights before Leonard. You were wrong. Yes. You were. Anything else?
@TA152H01 LOL@"Gift decision", Even leonard said Duran won in his book. Plus Leonard was favored to win the fight. Duran was the underdog and Duran was stepping into Leonards turf. Does the "Darling of Montreal" ring any bells to you? Also the Win was a Unanimous Decision. You are By far a super mark. Duran didnt have to wait to see that Hagler "Lost alot" before braving the ring to fight him and he did a 15 rounder and Leonard had to complain he only wanted 12. Duran is superb.
@InternationalBoy You're full of misinformation, aren't you? Do you know any of what you talk about, or do you always talk out your ass?
Watch the fight, particularly with Cosell announcing it. He even mentions how much, at the beginning of the fight, the fans favored Duran. So, no, Duran had the crowd support.
Duran lost badly to Hagler. Leonard beat him. Leonard would have beaten him both in their prime, in my opinion, but wasn't fighting middleweights.
@TA152H01 LOL, just cause the fans were cheering duran doesnt mean that the betting polls did you dumb ass. Duran went in the Undergdog Fact. LOL@Duran Losing Badly to Hagler. He was up to par at the 12th round. and like you said before, Leonad beat him when Hagler Lost a lot. Duran fought him at his prime. Big difference.
@InternationalBoy You said it was Leonard's turf. You were wrong. You were wrong about the weights he was fighting at. You're wrong all the time, aren't you?
Actually, the fight was very close in the odds. And more than that, no one thought Leonard could fight Duran that way for 15 rounds, and end up beating him up so badly he couldn't fight well the last three rounds, and lost them.
Leonard was given a lot of credit for doing so well while fighting such a bad style.
@InternationalBoy The scoring for Duran fights was always crazy in favor of Duran. He got a gift against Leonard, and then was only two points behind the second fight, despite not even being competitive a single round. He was close against Hagler, despite losing virtually every round in a one-sided fight. He lost to Barkley as well, but got the decision. Admittedly, it was a close fight, but the point being, he always got the nod. Hagler and Leonard got the opposite.
@TA152H01 LOL@Judges always favored Duran. Against americas Golden Boy... Yeah fucking right. The mini ali was always favored by judges a good majority of his fights and career. He didnt lose to Barkley He beat Barkleys ass convincingly, Too bad for your Boy Hearns who got KTFO in the 3rd, who also got KOed by Hagler 3rd rd as well. Duran went the distance with both and Beat one of them. Skills son. You can hate all you want but Duran is a Legend and is on everybodys pound for pound list.
@InternationalBoy You're a complete idiot, huh? You've been proven wrong twice, and you still argue out your ass?
Hearns/Leonard I, did you know Leonard wasn't given two point rounds for six or seven? Did you know Duran was only two points behind the second fight? He didn't win a round, but judges liked him.
Did you forget Duran saying how he wished he was a woman so he could have Hearns' kid after he got knocked out by him? Talk about being made a bitch.
@TA152H01 i've been only proven wrong once about Duran first fight being against Leonard at welter. and quit with the bullshit, Duran has never been reported saying the garbo your spitting. video footage or news posts or it didnt happen. Barkley Lost Get over it. And you act like Duran wasnt scoring at all in the Second fight it was still a close match, Leonard even states it in his book. I could put a quote on quote but ill keep my sonning you to a minimum.Plainly Put Duran is awesome quitHatin
@InternationalBoy You're obviously Hispanic, which is why you love Roberta so much.
The 2nd fight wasn't close at all, and Duran's only offense was his bad breath. He got owned.
The Barkley fight was very close. I thought he did more, and so did others, but I don't have a big problem with the decision either way. Duran got it on reputation, but he fought a good, courageous fight.
A great, no. Very good, probably. He lost to greats. That's it.
@TA152H01 obviously you are a moron. Let me quote Ray from his own book from his own words" The bell sounded for round 7 Duran wasnt close to being hurt, and the fight was up for grabs, I assumed i was ahead. but not by nearly enough. and their were nine rounds to go! one good poke and the fight could go in his direction. He was still Roberto duran"---Ray Leonard So you can STFU with all that shit you are talking. Ray Leonard gives duran credit calling no mas a close fight. You lost try again.
@TA152H01@TA152H01 obviously you are a moron. Let me quote Ray from his own book from his own words" The bell sounded for round 7 Duran wasnt close to being hurt, and the fight was up for grabs, I assumed i was ahead. but not by nearly enough. and their were nine rounds to go! one good poke and the fight could go in his direction. He was still Roberto duran"---Ray Leonard So you can STFU with all that shit you are talking. Ray gives Duran credit calling it a close fight. You lost try again.
@TA152H01 obviously you are a moron. Let me quote Ray from his own book from his own words" The bell sounded for round 7 Duran wasnt close to being hurt, and the fight was up for grabs, I assumed i was ahead. but not by nearly enough. and their were nine rounds to go! one good poke and the fight could go in his direction. He was still Roberto duran"Ray Leonard So you can STFU with all that BS you are talking. Ray gives Duran credit calling it a close fight. You lost try again.
@InternationalBoy You're retarded if you think that fight was close. Duran didn't land a punch. He got destroyed round after round. What round did he win? He'd have to land a punch to win a round, instead he ate them.
@TA152H01 you can be a dumb ass all you want, but if Ray Leonard the Man himself is saying it was a close fight id take his words over your corny ass opinion. He was in the Ring you werent. He lived the fight you didnt. Do i have to put the page number as well. GTFO you lost.
@InternationalBoy You're making up crap. Leonard and everyone else knew he was winning the fight, easily. Do you see how he was acting? He was all giddy. Obviously, he wasn't up by enough points with nine rounds to go you idiot. With nine rounds to go, anything can happen. He dominated the 7th round, big time, and then took the 8th, making it very one-sided. Also, he hurt Duran with one body shot in the 4th. Duran looked deflated after it.
@TA152H01 lol@me "making things up" Get some money, buy Sugar Ray Leonards Book "The Big fight" and quit being a dumb ass. Once again, Ray Leonard HIMSELF said it was a close fight you tard. lol@your own hero shitting on your theory. Also get an eye check up to go with that book. Since you are too broke to probaby get the book, Go to your local store and just read page 162, Chapter "No Mas". You lost.
@InternationalBoy You're totally taking the quote out of context, you moron. He said before round seven, so after six rounds he wasn't ahead by enough. Duh. With nine rounds to go, you'd think that would be obvious. He dominated the seventh. He dominated the 8th. The fight wasn't close. At best 6-2 after that. Tell me which rounds Duran won. Tell me three. You can't. You lost.
@TA152H01 He said the fight was CLOSE, not a blowout like you were saying. like i said i dont need to say anything cause Leonard said enough, He was in the fight I wasnt, neither were you. ill take his play by play perspective over yours.You lost .
@InternationalBoy Actually, you're too dumb to even read your own quote. LOL. He said Duran wasn't close to be hurt, and the fight was up for grabs and Duran could turn it around with one shot.
Let's be real. He didn't win a round. I know it, you know it. But, you could always give him a round or two just because some people score a certain way. So, after six, at best, let's say 4-2. That would be best case for Duran, and would still favor Leonard. So ...
@TA152H01 Leonard said "IT WAS A CLOSE FIGHT" "Fight Was up for grabs" This is Leonards own account from his own stand point from him being in the ring. You were not in the ring, you're just a spectator. STFU you sound stupid. lol@you double quoting cause you didnt read the whole quote yourself. GTFO you lost. quit being such a dick sucker. Ray Leonard does not agree with you. Im done winning. Page 162 of the big fight owns you.
@InternationalBoy Again, you brainless butt-monkey, but Leonard's own account, he was ahead after six and then dominated the next two rounds. If it's 3-3, he's not ahead, so let's liberally say 4-2. Then after eight, it's 6-2. That's not close.
Are you too stupid to realize that after winning two more rounds, a 4-2 fight isn't even close.
Again, I'll ask you, show me the rounds Duran wins. He got blown-out. 7 was almost 2 points.
probably consistent with his quote, although find me two round Duran won. Then, Duran lost two rounds. Easily. Dominated. Beaten. Now we're talking 6-2. Not close at all.
Again, show me more than two rounds Duran won. You can't. He didn't even win two rounds. One round was close, so maybe. Maybe they gave him round 1, because Leonard didn't dominate it. But, after that?
@TA152H01 obviously you are a moron. Let me quote Ray from his own book from his own words" The bell sounded for round 7 Duran wasnt close to being hurt, and the fight was up for grabs, I assumed i was ahead. but not by nearly enough. and their were nine rounds to go! one good poke and the fight could go in his direction. He was still Roberto duran"---Ray Leonard So you can STFU with all that shit you are talking. Ray gives Duran credit calling it a close fight. You lost try again.
@TA152H01 It was a close fight, but Leonard lost fair and square. Duran was simply the better fighter on THAT given night. In my opinion, Duran is the #1 lightweight of all time and was more impressive as a lightweight.
@honestman43 He got a gift decision, like he did in many fights. This fight wasn't even close, but the scoring was. Leonard II they only had Leonard up by two rounds, whereas Duran didn't even come close to winning one. He got a lot of gifts. I'd be surprised if they didn't give Duran round 1 against Hearns, despite the two knockdowns.
@TA152H01 We've debated Duran vs. Leonard 1 before. We have different opinions....hey I can respect that. I just don't see these..."gifts" that you speak of. Was Palomino or Moore a "gift"? I think not.. Very few "experts" gave the fight to Leonard...though they all agreed that it was very close.
@TA152H01 If the scoring was a "gift" in favor of Duran, why did Leonard have to make an emergency landing at Hershey, PA. to be hospitalized for swelling & severe pain ( at insistence of his physician)? Moreover, your comments are dismissive of other opinions which differ from your own; yet many boxing analysts and professionals agree with those who consider Duran a great p4p boxer & consistently rank Duran ahead of the other "Fab Four". You are a "boxing authority" only in your imagination .
@TrumanOThirsty There are many, now and before, who thought Leonard won, and Duran won. Duran always got gifts, look at the second fight, where he was whitewashed by Leonard and was only down by two points. This fight too.
Either way, first fight was very close, when Leonard fought the worst possible style. Second fight was one man outclassing and beating up another, until he couldn't handle it.
Hearns? KO. Hagler, ugly beating. Duran, worst of four, by a lot.
@TA152H01 I agree the 1st fight was close - I had: 6 rds. Duran, 5 rds.Leonard & 5 even. You still have not addressed Leonard being hospitalized due to grotesque swelling and severe pain - in an unscheduled landing at Hershey, PA. The Baltimore Sun ran a photo of SRL leaving hospital and caption was:"Who is this man
and did a stick of dynamite explode in his face?" SRL was unrecognizable at mid - morning on day after fight in Montreal. This doesn't fit your "Duran landed few clean shots" view.
@TA152H01 Once again, you resort to an ad hominem comment to justify your 1st opinion. Why don't you just answer my question: :Why did SRL need emergency hospitalization during his flight home if " Duran did not land many clean shots?" Anyone can hurl insults; however, I would prefer a thoughtful reply.
Also, I could have added that Duran won more rounds by wider margins ( by standard boxing scoring methods) than did SRL. TA1 ... make your case w/o insults, if you are able to do so.
@TA152H01 It is obvious that your extreme bias against Roberto Duran renders you incapable of making a rational case against him in the 1st Leonard fight. Your style is to berate, demean & discount many legitimate points in favor of Duran having won the 1st SRL bout. You ignore a question posited to you several times and disregard the fact that the fight in Montreal was not scored on a 10 point "must" system. How would 144 -143 score in favor of Duran differ from the way I scored the fight?
@TrumanOThirsty Because you don't know boxing. Anyone that scores rounds draws doesn't know boxing. Unless both guys sit and look at each other, you should pick a winner.
I don't really have a big problem with someone giving the fight to Duran by a point. He took more punishment, so I scored it easily for Leonard. You have some people that think if a guy is moving forward, he gets points. I don't, so he lost easily.
@TA152H01 I know boxing well. I know how to score fights. As I said, this was not a 10 point "must" scoring fight and it is standard procedure, official judges do it, to score rounds even in such a bout. Leonard took more punishment as evidenced by his emergency hospitalization at Hershey, PA. Extremely few boxing writers, sports magazines or other pro boxers/trainers thought SRL won this fight. Your claim of a SRL win in th fight is baseless .It was a close fight but Duran won!
@TrumanOThirsty OK, if you want me to have a conversation, you're going to have to say something smart. This post failed miserable.
It was a 10 point must. Even the NY Times had Leonard winning by two points, as did many others. It was widely disputed.
I haven't seen anything about this hospitalization, but if you new boxing, that's not how fights are scored. Look at Leonard Duran III. Leonard was cut up, and dominated.
@TA152H01 In fact, you are wrong about the fight being a 10 point must scoring bout. Reference the SI article "Right on Roberto" and see the official score cards. Yes, the NY Times was 1 of the few publications (US or foreign) to score the fight for SRL. Also, you keep trying strawman arguments with references to other fights: this is about Duran:SRL 1 ONLY. Check the Balto.Eve.Sun. 6/21/80 for proof of SRL being hospitalzed. The bout is NOT widely disputed - by SRL or boxing analysts.
@TrumanOThirsty Are you seriously that ignorant about boxing? Of course it was a 10 point must system. Why are we even talking about this, when you don't know what it means.
The point is, fights are not scored on who had more swelling or whatever. Look at Ali Frazier 1, Leonard Duran III, etc... It's meaningless. But, since you don't understand the 10 point must system, why am I even trying to tell you this. First, understand that, then we'll move on to these concepts.
@TA152H01 A 10 point must scoring system gives the winner of each rd 10 pts - the loser gets 9 pts or fewer; if loser of rd is knocked down, loses rd badly or ref penalizes him. This about covers a 10 pt. must system, but not entirely. Check official score cards; all judges scored some rounds even. You repeat the same diversions and unsubstantiated claims about SRL winning this bout despite overwhelming disagreement. Your position is that you are right and the world is wrong. No way!
@TA152H01 You were wrong about the 10 point must scoring system. Are you going to admit it? Your claim that SRL destroyed Duran in their 1st fight and another claim by you that it was a "close fight" are mutually exclusive and cannot be reconciled. In other words, you were wrong again. Your contention of a SRL victory in his 1st bout with Duran is not a defensible view - it is a false belief that seems to be based on your intense dislike of Duran.
@TrumanOThirsty Actually, you don't know boxing enough to interest me. 10 point must means the winner gets 10 points, and the other 10 or less. 10 point must system does allow for 10 point rounds. But even then, not all rounds get 10 points. If a guy gets a foul, it can be 9 to 9. I'm done educating you.
I never said he destroyed him the first fight, I scored it 9-6 I think. The second fight he destroyed him. Keep it straight.
@TA152H01 If you are such an astute history of boxing, you would know that in the 50s - mid 80's, the 10 point must system varied from state to state, as this rule evolved and changed. At first, most state sanctioning orgs for fights did not allow for even rounds and each rd had to have a winner & loser. As fight rules evolved, even rounds were allowed and each boxer got 10 pts. for even rds. However, this took more than 2 decades to fully evolve. More in follow up post.
@TrumanOThirsty If you read my 1st blog on 10 pt. must system, I said "this about covers 10 pt must ..., but not entirely. It is implicit that if winner of rd is penalized, then both boxers get 9 pts each. You said SRL hit Duran w/many more clean & hard shots which took away RD's stamina, power & speed in last 3 rounds, which is destruction.. In the 15th rd Duran had plenty of energy & made SRL miss most of his punches on purpose. Not smart but RD showed his defensive skills, speed & stamina.
@TrumanOThirsty You love Duran, and you're talking horsecrap. Let's be real, you speak so poorly for yourself, stop speaking for me. You're not smart enough. Duran won early rounds, and Leonard did beat him down so he was exhausted in the late rounds. I never said he destroyed him in the fight.
This fight was fought under the 10 point must system. Period. I'm done reading your posts, they are really dumb, uninformed, and boring as Hell.
@TA152H01 I speak poorly? That is a bogus claim! You do not understand argumentation; logical fallacies ( you place many in your posts) & do not stay focused on the topic at issue: RD -SRL bout1. You advert irrelevant bouts, insult instead of making a case for your claims & worst of all: think your opinion is better than the vast majority of boxing analysts, writers and other professionals in boxing. You cannot argue cogently, so you use insults as a ploy. You demean yourself, not me.
@TA152H01 Even a third grader knows that repeating the same statements do not make them true. You seem to always want to have the last word because that is the type of intimidating peson you perceive yourself as being. I see numerous mistakes in your blogs about RD - SRL 1. Hold on to the false belief that you are right and the overwhelming majority of viewers and experts are wrong. Your claim that I am dumb is very funny.You are insulting but unintentionally hilarious! Thanks for the laughs.
@TA152H01@TA152H01 , LOL@ Leonard aged badly. LOL@you making excuses for your Hero's Shortcomings. Duran was the more complete fighter, somebody who could still fight when his speed and accuracy went downhill. Iran Barkley and Davey Monroe found that out the Hardway. Duran way past his prime beating dudes half his age in their primes winning championships,while Leonard was scared of dudes like Michael Nunn and opted for weak links and still losing. lol@Terry GlassJawNorris
@dropway9 Can't put Hearns ahead of Leonard...Simply because when they fought each other when they were BOTH at their peak....Leonard won...Great fight....but Leonard unified the title...And you can't go by "Hearns lost to fighters Duran beat"...Cuz if you go by that...then Leonard is number one hands down...Leonard beat ALL THREE...Duran LOST to all three...And Hearns STARCHED him...There's NO way Leonard is 4 on that list and beat the other three
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why duran was that good? BECAUSE HE IS MEXICAN !! HIS FATHER IS MEXICAN.HIS NAME? MARGARITO DURAN..search for it..google it..there you have why duran was that good...HE HAS MEXICAN BLOOD IN HIM !!! cheers from greece
Este Hagler es un cómico, cada vez que pierde una pelea se pone a bailotear para disimular de todas las trompadas que le metieron a Durán no le pudo dar con la cabeza ni ponerle el dedo en el ojo como acostumbra a hacer en los combates dificiles
Two of the toughest fighters of all time, both earned respect for one another in this fight. Duran found out that Middleweight belonged to Hagler, and Hagler earned a huge amount of respect for Duran, who was able to challenge the Greatest Middlweight of all time, at his prime, at his weight for 15 long rounds, winning up until the 12th on the judge's score cards. Both truley amazing!
@ztme07 why duran was that good? BECAUSE HE IS MEXICAN !! HIS FATHER IS MEXICAN.HIS NAME? MARGARITO DURAN..search for it..google it..there you have why duran was that good...HE HAS MEXICAN BLOOD IN HIM !!! cheers from greece
This fight was NOT close! Duran MIGHT have won three close rounds AT BEST. Duran never took the initiative. Duran never sustained an attack across rounds. For the most part, Duran retreated and did not engage. He countered effectively, but this strategy did not neutralize Hagler's effectiveness.
The fact is Manny never beat Marquez convincingly, while Duran schooled Leonard for 10 rounds and beat him fair and square over 15. Boxers today are not better than '70s or '80s fighters, so I can make all the comparisons I want. By the way, Pancho Villa was a hell of a fighter.
Duran had 119 fights in 17 years, an unreal career. Pacquiao won't even come close to such numbers. Yet, you talk about Roberto's late losses when he was way past his prime. Big deal. Duran gave a top 3 ATG 147 fighter like Leonard a boxing lesson and had the fight in the bag after 10 rounds. He could even coast in the last 5 rounds. Pacquiao destroyed all the top fighters? What about Marquez? I don't even know if he ever beat JMM
@babyfaceassassin21 Duran fight with the best boxers of the 70´s, 80´s (the golden age of middleweights) and half of the 90´s. He fight agains the best Leonard, the best Hagler, the best Hearns, the best de Jesus, the best Cuevas and the best Barkley. Pacquiao (an exelent boxer) instead wait. He waits the decline of its competitors. thats why he is going to fight Martinez...no?...Mayweather? no?... ohhhh... Shane "wasted" Mosley of course.
@babyfaceassassin21 Duran fight with the best boxers of the 70´s, 80´s (the golden age of middleweights) and half of the 90´s. He fight agains the best Leonard, the best Hagler, the best Hearns, the best de Jesus, the best Cuevas and the best Barkley. Pacquiao (an exelent boxer) instead wait. He waits the decline of its competitors. thats why he is going to fight Martinez...no?...Mayweather? no?... ohhhh... Shane "wasted" Mosley of course.
@babyfaceassassin21 Duran fight with the best boxers of the 70´s, 80´s (the golden age of middleweights) and half of the 90´s. He fight agains the best Leonard, the best Hagler, the best Hearns, the best de Jesus, the best Cuevas and the best Barkley. Pacquiao (an exelent boxer) instead wait. He waits the decline of its competitors. thats why he is going to fight Martinez...no?...Mayweather? no?... ohhhh... Shane "wasted" Mosley of course.
Duran fight with the best boxers of the 70´s, 80´s (the golden age of middleweights) and half of the 90´s. He fight agains the best Leonard, the best Hagler, the best Hearns, the best de Jesus, the best Cuevas and the best Barkley. Pacquiao (an exelent boxer) instead wait. He waits the decline of its competitors. thats why he is going to fight Martinez...no?...Mayweather? no?... ohhhh... Shane "wasted" Mosley of course.
@babyfaceassassin21 who's the best boxer he has beaten? Hiroshi Kobayashi (61-9-4), Ken Buchanan (43-1-0), Hector Thomson (39-2-2), Esteban de Jesus (42-1-0) & (52-3-0), Lou Bizzarro (22-0-0), Carlos Palomino (27-2-3), Luigi Minchillo (35-1-0), Pipino Cuevas!!!! (29-8-0)... and Leonard who is the best because...well, I expect you now why. ¡ROBERTO "MANOS DE PIEDRA" DURAN se escribe con mayusculas!
@babyfaceassassin21 who's the best boxer he has beaten? Hiroshi Kobayashi (61-9-4), Ken Buchanan (43-1-0), Hector Thomson (39-2-2), Esteban de Jesus (42-1-0) & (52-3-0), Lou Bizzarro (22-0-0), Carlos Palomino (27-2-3), Luigi Minchillo (35-1-0), Pipino Cuevas!!!! (29-8-0)... and Leonard who is the best because...well, I expect you now why. ¡ROBERTO "MANOS DE PIEDRA" DURAN se escribe con mayusculas!
Yep. I watched it again. 6-10, and 14 and 15 Hagler absolutely destroyed Duran. Really other than 12 and 13, Duran was outclassed the whole fight. I take nothing away from Duran, great fighter, but Hagler was way too much for him. The scoring being that close was a travesty.
LMAO! Duran beat Sugar Ray Leonard at 147 (!), won the 154 and 160 titles against the much bigger Moore and Barkley and you ask me if he CAN beat limited welters like Cotto e Margarito. It would have been a massacre... I told you I love Pacquiao, you don't need to defend his case. Fantastic weight jumper, but no he wasn't really smaller than Barrera and Marquez, although he had fought in lower weight classes as a young starving kid.
Just like Duran, who started fighting to save his life as a 15yo starving bantamweight! See, there are some striking similarities between Roberto and Manny. So you're wrong, they're perfectly comparable.
@babyfaceassassin21 Steroids MANny Pacquiao ain't shit with out his Steroids. If he didn't have anything to hide, he should have nothing to fear. And if he is unwilling to take random tests or one within 12 days of a fight then he is guilty as charged. What is he afraid of? It's only obvious His whole career is a sham. You can't fool me said the wise man.
He wasn't just the only challenger to go the distance with Hagler: he kept the fight pretty close, wich is an amazing achievement for a natural lightweight. I love Pacquiao but Margarito, Cotto, Clottey and a weight drained, semi-retired De la Hoya cannot be compared with a top 3 ATG middlerweight champ near his prime.
the hagler leonard decision was bullshit. hagler beat on him and leonard didnt hur marvin once. he jsut looked a little slower than usual cause he was past his prime.
this might have been a tough fight, but only because duran was tough; but it certainly wasn't a tough fight to score. i saw a landslide victory for hagler. but duran ought to change his moniker from 'manos de piedra' to 'cabeza de piedra' because dude took some good shit from hagler and didn't even bear a scuff to show for it. respect to the legends! my era sucks...
@RedRumDeity, I'm sorry, but anyone who can't see that Duran is, without doubt, great in every sense of the word (and one of the greatest fighters of all time) simply does not know boxing, has little understanding of the context of his post-1980 career and probably gains all of their boxing 'knowledge' through looking at BoxRec.com. People who degrade him on the Hearns result are absolutely clueless. Duran was, pound for pound, the greatest of the 'fab four', with Leonard closely following him.
@iljn1988 Great post! Duran - RD was deservedly named "Fighter of the Decade for the 70s). You grasp the significance of RD's 70 -1 record going into his 1st bout with Leonard - SRL. RD gave SRL his only loss while SRL was in his prime in their 1st bout. Duran was already an all time great before SRL1. Then, to come back after the ruinous quit in RD - SRL2 was incredible. SRL was "Fighter of the Decade for the 80s) & deserved it. Both great but RD was better & authoritative sources agree.
alot of u ppl obviously do not knw Durans history, When Duran beat Leonard he was 69-0 and he beat him. Its not abt how many times u get knocked down but how many times u get back up.. So tell me how many boxers even fight 69 times??? None!! I would take Duran over anybody anyday!
Duran absolutely cleaned out lightweight, he moved up and was at a serious disadvantage in every fight he was in after that. Every guy he fought was way bigger than him. Duran's status as a legend is legitimate, He beat Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, Sugar Ray etc . . . Like I said, sure he lost some but he also beat some great legends in weight classes he practically had no business fighting in. To say Duran is not a legend shows that you don't know what you are talking about.
im not sayin duran isnt great. he is!!! no doubt!!!! im jus sayin he isnt as great as ppl say. alot of ppl put him up there with ali, srr, srl, etc....u gotta b kiddin me. if he beat the greats in his era (srl, benitez, hagler & hearns) i'd give him that recognition. but to beat srl once, buchanan, moore, barkley, thompson, ishimatsu, robertson, etc..and put him up there with ali, srr, etc...is not right.
@fagiu think about how a fighter would go down in history in todays "fight world" if he was supposed to be top rank, and then quit in the middle of a fight.
Not to mention, how many of the "greats" take the kinda beating Duran took at the hands of Hearns.
Duran's quit job was disgraceful, no doubt about it, and Roberto fell from his grace in those days, but he accomplished a lot before and after that. This could not be denied.
Many greats fighters were KO in brutal fashion by bigger, more powerful opponents when they moved up in weight, not to mention the stylistic nightmare Hearns was for Duran
@Trumpetz811, are you seriously suggesting that no other bonafide great has taken a beating like that? Duran isn't the only one at all. Harry Greb was knocked out by one punch against Chip. Henry Armstrong took two horrendously one-sided thrashings at the hands of Fritzie Zivic. Jack Johnson was destroyed by Joe Choynski. Jack Dempsey, Alexis Arguello and Emile Griffith were all knocked out in the opening round before they won a title, Arguello on his debut. Mike Spinks was blitzed by Tyson etc
@iljn1988 1. I never heard of most of those fighters so I doubt they were actually "greats" maybe good but not "greats"
2. The "greats" that are actually on the list either took their "beatings" in the beginning or at the end of their careers. You coulda included Ali on there and Joe Louis by the way you're thinking.
@Trumpetz811, you've just said you've never heard of Greb, Armstrong, Arguello, Griffith, Johnson and Dempsey, and that for that reason they aren't greats. I'm glad you've been daft enough to post that comment, because it basically shows how little you know about boxing. If you haven't even heard of these undeniably great fighters, then how can your opinions carry any serious weight? At best then, your opinions are very unreliable, don't you think? No point debating with someone like that.
@iljn1988 Incredible.... think about it.... you named "x" amount of fighters in your first comment... then even though I didn't mention ANY NAMES from your list... you picked 6 that I said I never heard of.... WOW.... how do you do it.... I mean, how do you read minds like that... even though I've heard of some on the boxers on your list of 6 you said that I said I've never heard of them..
I think you're right.... there is no point in debating....
@Trumpetz811, look mate, the fact remains that I offered up Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Alexis Arguello, Emile Griffith and Mike Spinks as examples. You categorically said that you'd never heard of some of them. It doesn't matter if you've never heard of just one or all seven - the fact remains, no boxing fan with a decent amount of knowledge would be at a total loss with some of them, like you just said you are. You need to watch some fights and read some books.
@iljn1988 no i don't either, because i couldn't care less about who was who way back in the day when the world was in black and white. What do I gain in life by knowing who Harry Greb, or Duran Duran, or Mike Tyson or Rocky were... N O T H I N G...
You can do it how you see best for you, but for me, I try to fill my time with things that are going to actually benefit me in real life.
@Trumpetz811, good attempt at trying to walk away from the argument without it looking as if you've had your arse handed to you. Going down the 'I'm so much more enlightened, I'm above these debates' route, eh? As I said, nice try; but unfortunately for you, the fact that you were on here debating in the first place kind of makes your point invalid and nonsensical, and just leaves you looking even dafter. I don't expect a reply, as you'll be off doing something to "benefit you in real life."
@iljn1988 yeah yeah.... just remember.... you were the first one to say that there was no point in debating and two comments later here you are... you can't leave it alone.... makes me believe that I'm under your skin and now you're trying to find a way to get under mine. I love it when i do that to people. :-)
keep it up, maybe one day you'll be there eventually
@Trumpetz811, seriously you should do stand up! I did say that; but the fact remains, you were debating boxing on here. You were then on the end of an absolute hiding in the argument - then lo and behold you didn't want to debate, you were too enlightened for all that! Translation - I've been shown up, now I'm backtracking and looking for any excuse to get out, scurrying around like a spider in a bath tub. The only "favour" you should do is one for yourself - fuck off to avoid more humiliation.
@iljn1988 let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that I was debating.... you may want to check the dates of those "debates".... to make it easy on you, don't check all of the dates, before you became a grub line rider, just check the last one.... dude, you'll see that that "debate" was over a long time ago... just deal with the fact that you missed the bus. walk home.
@Trumpetz811, obviously didn't miss it by too much, seeing as you've responded to me about half a dozen times. Spot the flaw there, mate? The irony that you also said "there's no point debating" seems to be lost on you, too. So, you've debated, got your arse handed to you, contradicted yourself by saying you didn't care to debate once I showed you up, and then have spouted some nonsensical bullshit in order to deflect how brutalised you have been on this video.
@Trumpetz811 Joe Louis lost his 1st bout with Max Schmeling by KO. At time of bout, Louis was young, had a record of 23-0, & was #1 hvywgt. contender. Almost no one gave Schmeling. a chance at age 30. Max KO'ed Louis in the 12th round in 1st fight. Louis was in his prime and was KOed!. Louis did not take Max seriously. It is not unusual for great fighters to be KOed. Louis avenged the loss by rd 1 KO 2 yrs later. Sugar Ray Robinson was never KOed but is exception, not the rule, so to speak.
@Trumpetz811 if you cant see the skill that duran had in the ring than you dont know the sport. he was so good that he though he didnt have to train and then he quit cause leonard was being a clown. plus hearns was alot bigger and he had a year layoff trained about 3 weeks (not seriously) that was the best earns there ever was.
@Trumpetz811 You no nothing about boxing, joe frazier is an all time great in the heavy's, but that didn't stop him getting destroyed by foreman. Its the same with duran, just because he got destroyed by hearns doesn't take anything away from his greatness. At lightweight he was a marvel, one of the best LW ever. Then to come up to MW to fight guys like hagler and hearns, what a set of balls. The first SRL fight is the only one that matters, the second and third timed nicely for SRL.
I agree that RD was great but to be fair he was probably a natural Jr Welter (140lbs) from 1977-1979 and was struggling to make 135lbs in his final couple of years as LWT champ. During his reign as LWT champ he fought a lot of non-title fights and he was generally over 135lbs for these.
He was a natural welterweight when he fought SRL in 1980 and wouldn't have been able to get anywhere near 135lbs at that stage.
I think Duran's struggles with the lightweight limit in the '70s depended more from the fact he wasn't exactly a gym rat and ate like a pig between training camps... I agree he couldn't have stayed at his prime weight in the '80s.
Yeah - that was a habit that unfortunately he took with him as he moved up the divisions. The no fat version of Duran in the early and mid 70's though was formidable indeed. You have to feel sorry for someone like Esteban De Jesus, who had he not been unlucky enough to overlap Duran's time at lightweight might have been regarded as a great champion himself.
@fagiu Absolutely. Duran ended his career fighting guys that were true Middleweights & Light Heavyweights . Imagine manny Paquiao , Floyd mayweather moving up 2 or 3 weight classes and having the same success as Duran. st62410> "not as great as ppl say" ? What does that mean???
@pmdnyc How's he the greatest?? if he's the greatest, then what is Thomas Hearns? His record against Hearns Haggler and Leonard- 1 win 4 losses. and one of those losses was a beatdown, by the Hitman
@chrismzac Thomas Hearns was a freak of nature...The Height and reach of a heavyweight at the welterweight and middleweight....Duran was way too small...had to get hit to get inside...but pound for pound Hearns couldnt hold Durans jockstrap. Pound for Pound, Duran was better than ALL the guys you mentioned. If any of them ever had to face Duran as a lightweight, non of them even makes it close. all get stopped.
I see Hagler bleeding and face damaged. Duran is clean. What were the judges watching?
tanukitejon 1 month ago
@tanukitejon HUH?? Just because a fighter is cut and the other isn't doesn't mean the one that's cut lost...did you happen to watch the FIGHT...or did you watch the last round..Hagler DEFINITELY won the fight....
dreman1970 1 month ago
@tanukitejon i had it 145-141 Hagler, so there
Evocati2008 2 weeks ago
duran quit that the what the worst thing you can do as a boxing in a match
killalotus 1 month ago
Le robaron la pelea a Durán, en la distancia corta es muy dificil ganarle y Durán nunca le dió distancia a pesar de que pareciera que Hagler fuera más efectivo no pudo colocar ningún golpe.
Solo tienen que mirar la cara de uno y de otro...Durán limpio y Hagler ojo izquierdo casi cerrado y el otro con signos visibles de una gran inflamación...
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young doctors next.....
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I would have given this fight to Duran. He was leading after 12 rounds and the last 3 rounds did not see Hagler being that dominant. Duran was older, past his prime, feather weight no light! If they had fought 10 lbs lighter each Duran beats Hagler convincingly. Sorry but Hagler is no marvelous like Duran told him. I cannot see the best feather weight in Duran's days moving up and challenging a prime Duran at light weight.
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joelouiscordoba 3 months ago
how many middleweights can stay for 15 rounds with the Marvelous One let alone a lightweight
coolmartcola 4 months ago
Who would have thought that Duran would lose a close decision to the Marvelous one?! He gave Hagler all he wanted and then some. That Vito Autofermo comment is ridiculous -- Hagler got robbed but Duran gave and took in this fight and showed me and the world that he was a masterful boxer -- a real stud. Hagler said that he gave Duran too much respect but Hagler could be too methodical at times as we would see later with Leonard where he also appeared to be boxing weary.
iwant2usethis 5 months ago
@chriszmac
Duran is regarded as the greatest lightweight fighter of all time. True, he got utterly destroyed by Hearns but Hearns lost to fighters Duran beat. I feel Hagler is the best middleweight of all time, all apologies to Carlos Monzon. Out of the four fighters, here is how I would rank them, and I already know this is going to be met with derision but this is how i feel:
1. Duran
2. Hagler
3. Hearns
4. Leonard
dropway9 5 months ago
@dropway9 i would agree with you on that
E6DOG 5 months ago
@dropway9 Except Leonard beat them all, and Duran lost to them all. LOL.
Leonard was clearly the best. In his prime, he beat Hearns, Duran, Benitez. Hearns was a beast, Duran not in the same league as the others. I'd rate him fifth, because he doesn't belong on that list, having lost to each.
He got ass-raped by Hearns, humiliated by Leonard, and soundly beaten by Hagler, although the judges still loved him and made it close.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 uhh he beat Ray Leonard in Rays prime.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy A close, widely disputed decision, in a fight where Leonard fought the worst possible way, but still won the last three rounds on the judges scorecards. When he fought a style better for him, it was a one-sided blowout, where Duran had to quit.
Duran lost to Benitez and Hagler. Hearns put him to sleep in an ugly, yet beautiful, one-sided beating. Leonard made him quit in a fight he was completely outclassed.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 you forget that was Durans first fight at welter in which Leonard was natural at, stop being a mark and give credit where credit is due. coming up from light weight, and He fought Hearns 2 weights above his natrual weight in a division where Hearns was at his best. He also beat the dude that destroyed Hearns twice.
Duran is awesome. He fought everybody in their primes and never waited.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy Except you're wrong. Duran had been fighting above 140 for a couple of years before facing Leonard.
Duran was not awesome. He lost to every great fighter he got into the ring with. He fought them, yes, but he lost to them as well. One by brutal knockout, the other he was completely outclassed and forced to quit. He was badly beaten by Benitez as well.
Was he afraid to fight people? No. But, still, he lost when he did.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 who did Duran fight above 140 before facing leonard? Names. I can see that im dealing with a Sugar Ray Leonard mark to the fullest. To say Durans not awesome? Dude he is in EVERY True Boxing analists top Pound for pound list. FUck outta here with that bullshit. Youd be laughed at in any boxing circle, Dude was kicking ass in his 40's while Dudes like Leonard were struggling with lack luster opponents like Don Lalonde. Didnt Leonard get TKoed by feather fisted Cammacho? rofl
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 lol you hella mad right now, LOL@ Leonard aged badly. LOL@you making excuses for your Hero's Shortcomings. Duran was the more complete fighter, somebody who could still fight when his speed and accuracy went downhill. Iran Barkley and Davey Monroe found that out the Hardway. Duran way past his prime beating dudes half his age in their primes winning champs,while Leonard was scared of dudes like Michael Nunn and opted for weak links and still losing. lol@Terry GlassJawNorris
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy Not mad at all, I agree Leonard aged miserably because of drug use. Look at him against Hagler, he looks terrible there too. So did Hagler. Hearns II they look like they're fighting in slow motion. That's what drugs do to you, I guess.
But, Duran never was great. He aged fairly well, but never had the peak greater men had. He was the ugly sister. The stepping stone for the greats to defeat, while he runted off looking for yet another payday.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 lol@Duran was never great, there is no need to even debate with you anymore. Even Your Hero Leonard acknowledges dudes skills. It didnt take him 8 years to finally get in the ring with Hagler as you can see above, LOL@never had the peak. His peak was when he Beat Sugar Ray Leonard in his Prime, something the great Thomas Hearns and Hagler Failed to do.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy Well, he got a gift decision, in a fight where Leonard fought the worst possible way. Leonard always says Hearns was his most difficult opponent, and we saw what Hearns did to little Roberta.
Leonard wasn't a middleweight, so why would he fight Hagler when he was champ? He saw Hagler had lost a lot, that's why he finally picked the fight.
Let's also acknowledge how ignorant you were about Duran's fights before Leonard. You were wrong. Yes. You were. Anything else?
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 LOL@"Gift decision", Even leonard said Duran won in his book. Plus Leonard was favored to win the fight. Duran was the underdog and Duran was stepping into Leonards turf. Does the "Darling of Montreal" ring any bells to you? Also the Win was a Unanimous Decision. You are By far a super mark. Duran didnt have to wait to see that Hagler "Lost alot" before braving the ring to fight him and he did a 15 rounder and Leonard had to complain he only wanted 12. Duran is superb.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy You're full of misinformation, aren't you? Do you know any of what you talk about, or do you always talk out your ass?
Watch the fight, particularly with Cosell announcing it. He even mentions how much, at the beginning of the fight, the fans favored Duran. So, no, Duran had the crowd support.
Duran lost badly to Hagler. Leonard beat him. Leonard would have beaten him both in their prime, in my opinion, but wasn't fighting middleweights.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 LOL, just cause the fans were cheering duran doesnt mean that the betting polls did you dumb ass. Duran went in the Undergdog Fact. LOL@Duran Losing Badly to Hagler. He was up to par at the 12th round. and like you said before, Leonad beat him when Hagler Lost a lot. Duran fought him at his prime. Big difference.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy You said it was Leonard's turf. You were wrong. You were wrong about the weights he was fighting at. You're wrong all the time, aren't you?
Actually, the fight was very close in the odds. And more than that, no one thought Leonard could fight Duran that way for 15 rounds, and end up beating him up so badly he couldn't fight well the last three rounds, and lost them.
Leonard was given a lot of credit for doing so well while fighting such a bad style.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy The scoring for Duran fights was always crazy in favor of Duran. He got a gift against Leonard, and then was only two points behind the second fight, despite not even being competitive a single round. He was close against Hagler, despite losing virtually every round in a one-sided fight. He lost to Barkley as well, but got the decision. Admittedly, it was a close fight, but the point being, he always got the nod. Hagler and Leonard got the opposite.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 LOL@Judges always favored Duran. Against americas Golden Boy... Yeah fucking right. The mini ali was always favored by judges a good majority of his fights and career. He didnt lose to Barkley He beat Barkleys ass convincingly, Too bad for your Boy Hearns who got KTFO in the 3rd, who also got KOed by Hagler 3rd rd as well. Duran went the distance with both and Beat one of them. Skills son. You can hate all you want but Duran is a Legend and is on everybodys pound for pound list.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy You're a complete idiot, huh? You've been proven wrong twice, and you still argue out your ass?
Hearns/Leonard I, did you know Leonard wasn't given two point rounds for six or seven? Did you know Duran was only two points behind the second fight? He didn't win a round, but judges liked him.
Did you forget Duran saying how he wished he was a woman so he could have Hearns' kid after he got knocked out by him? Talk about being made a bitch.
Barkley beat him.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 i've been only proven wrong once about Duran first fight being against Leonard at welter. and quit with the bullshit, Duran has never been reported saying the garbo your spitting. video footage or news posts or it didnt happen. Barkley Lost Get over it. And you act like Duran wasnt scoring at all in the Second fight it was still a close match, Leonard even states it in his book. I could put a quote on quote but ill keep my sonning you to a minimum.Plainly Put Duran is awesome quitHatin
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy You're obviously Hispanic, which is why you love Roberta so much.
The 2nd fight wasn't close at all, and Duran's only offense was his bad breath. He got owned.
The Barkley fight was very close. I thought he did more, and so did others, but I don't have a big problem with the decision either way. Duran got it on reputation, but he fought a good, courageous fight.
A great, no. Very good, probably. He lost to greats. That's it.
TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 obviously you are a moron. Let me quote Ray from his own book from his own words" The bell sounded for round 7 Duran wasnt close to being hurt, and the fight was up for grabs, I assumed i was ahead. but not by nearly enough. and their were nine rounds to go! one good poke and the fight could go in his direction. He was still Roberto duran"---Ray Leonard So you can STFU with all that shit you are talking. Ray Leonard gives duran credit calling no mas a close fight. You lost try again.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@TA152H01 @TA152H01 obviously you are a moron. Let me quote Ray from his own book from his own words" The bell sounded for round 7 Duran wasnt close to being hurt, and the fight was up for grabs, I assumed i was ahead. but not by nearly enough. and their were nine rounds to go! one good poke and the fight could go in his direction. He was still Roberto duran"---Ray Leonard So you can STFU with all that shit you are talking. Ray gives Duran credit calling it a close fight. You lost try again.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@TA152H01 obviously you are a moron. Let me quote Ray from his own book from his own words" The bell sounded for round 7 Duran wasnt close to being hurt, and the fight was up for grabs, I assumed i was ahead. but not by nearly enough. and their were nine rounds to go! one good poke and the fight could go in his direction. He was still Roberto duran"Ray Leonard So you can STFU with all that BS you are talking. Ray gives Duran credit calling it a close fight. You lost try again.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@InternationalBoy You're retarded if you think that fight was close. Duran didn't land a punch. He got destroyed round after round. What round did he win? He'd have to land a punch to win a round, instead he ate them.
Now go dry off your back.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 you can be a dumb ass all you want, but if Ray Leonard the Man himself is saying it was a close fight id take his words over your corny ass opinion. He was in the Ring you werent. He lived the fight you didnt. Do i have to put the page number as well. GTFO you lost.
InternationalBoy 3 months ago
@InternationalBoy You're making up crap. Leonard and everyone else knew he was winning the fight, easily. Do you see how he was acting? He was all giddy. Obviously, he wasn't up by enough points with nine rounds to go you idiot. With nine rounds to go, anything can happen. He dominated the 7th round, big time, and then took the 8th, making it very one-sided. Also, he hurt Duran with one body shot in the 4th. Duran looked deflated after it.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 lol@me "making things up" Get some money, buy Sugar Ray Leonards Book "The Big fight" and quit being a dumb ass. Once again, Ray Leonard HIMSELF said it was a close fight you tard. lol@your own hero shitting on your theory. Also get an eye check up to go with that book. Since you are too broke to probaby get the book, Go to your local store and just read page 162, Chapter "No Mas". You lost.
InternationalBoy 3 months ago
@InternationalBoy You're totally taking the quote out of context, you moron. He said before round seven, so after six rounds he wasn't ahead by enough. Duh. With nine rounds to go, you'd think that would be obvious. He dominated the seventh. He dominated the 8th. The fight wasn't close. At best 6-2 after that. Tell me which rounds Duran won. Tell me three. You can't. You lost.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 He said the fight was CLOSE, not a blowout like you were saying. like i said i dont need to say anything cause Leonard said enough, He was in the fight I wasnt, neither were you. ill take his play by play perspective over yours.You lost .
InternationalBoy 3 months ago
@InternationalBoy Actually, you're too dumb to even read your own quote. LOL. He said Duran wasn't close to be hurt, and the fight was up for grabs and Duran could turn it around with one shot.
Let's be real. He didn't win a round. I know it, you know it. But, you could always give him a round or two just because some people score a certain way. So, after six, at best, let's say 4-2. That would be best case for Duran, and would still favor Leonard. So ...
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 Leonard said "IT WAS A CLOSE FIGHT" "Fight Was up for grabs" This is Leonards own account from his own stand point from him being in the ring. You were not in the ring, you're just a spectator. STFU you sound stupid. lol@you double quoting cause you didnt read the whole quote yourself. GTFO you lost. quit being such a dick sucker. Ray Leonard does not agree with you. Im done winning. Page 162 of the big fight owns you.
InternationalBoy 3 months ago
@InternationalBoy Again, you brainless butt-monkey, but Leonard's own account, he was ahead after six and then dominated the next two rounds. If it's 3-3, he's not ahead, so let's liberally say 4-2. Then after eight, it's 6-2. That's not close.
Are you too stupid to realize that after winning two more rounds, a 4-2 fight isn't even close.
Again, I'll ask you, show me the rounds Duran wins. He got blown-out. 7 was almost 2 points.
You lose. Like Duran.
TA152H01 3 months ago
probably consistent with his quote, although find me two round Duran won. Then, Duran lost two rounds. Easily. Dominated. Beaten. Now we're talking 6-2. Not close at all.
Again, show me more than two rounds Duran won. You can't. He didn't even win two rounds. One round was close, so maybe. Maybe they gave him round 1, because Leonard didn't dominate it. But, after that?
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 LMAO
MegaBigthumbs 3 weeks ago
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@TA152H01 obviously you are a moron. Let me quote Ray from his own book from his own words" The bell sounded for round 7 Duran wasnt close to being hurt, and the fight was up for grabs, I assumed i was ahead. but not by nearly enough. and their were nine rounds to go! one good poke and the fight could go in his direction. He was still Roberto duran"---Ray Leonard So you can STFU with all that shit you are talking. Ray gives Duran credit calling it a close fight. You lost try again.
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@TA152H01 I'd say dominating the lightweight division for 8 years makes him an all-time great lightweight at the least!
honestman43 3 months ago
@TA152H01 It was a close fight, but Leonard lost fair and square. Duran was simply the better fighter on THAT given night. In my opinion, Duran is the #1 lightweight of all time and was more impressive as a lightweight.
honestman43 3 months ago
@honestman43 He got a gift decision, like he did in many fights. This fight wasn't even close, but the scoring was. Leonard II they only had Leonard up by two rounds, whereas Duran didn't even come close to winning one. He got a lot of gifts. I'd be surprised if they didn't give Duran round 1 against Hearns, despite the two knockdowns.
TA152H01 3 months ago
@TA152H01 We've debated Duran vs. Leonard 1 before. We have different opinions....hey I can respect that. I just don't see these..."gifts" that you speak of. Was Palomino or Moore a "gift"? I think not.. Very few "experts" gave the fight to Leonard...though they all agreed that it was very close.
honestman43 3 months ago
@TA152H01 If the scoring was a "gift" in favor of Duran, why did Leonard have to make an emergency landing at Hershey, PA. to be hospitalized for swelling & severe pain ( at insistence of his physician)? Moreover, your comments are dismissive of other opinions which differ from your own; yet many boxing analysts and professionals agree with those who consider Duran a great p4p boxer & consistently rank Duran ahead of the other "Fab Four". You are a "boxing authority" only in your imagination .
TrumanOThirsty 3 weeks ago
@TrumanOThirsty There are many, now and before, who thought Leonard won, and Duran won. Duran always got gifts, look at the second fight, where he was whitewashed by Leonard and was only down by two points. This fight too.
Either way, first fight was very close, when Leonard fought the worst possible style. Second fight was one man outclassing and beating up another, until he couldn't handle it.
Hearns? KO. Hagler, ugly beating. Duran, worst of four, by a lot.
TA152H01 3 weeks ago
@TA152H01 I agree the 1st fight was close - I had: 6 rds. Duran, 5 rds.Leonard & 5 even. You still have not addressed Leonard being hospitalized due to grotesque swelling and severe pain - in an unscheduled landing at Hershey, PA. The Baltimore Sun ran a photo of SRL leaving hospital and caption was:"Who is this man
and did a stick of dynamite explode in his face?" SRL was unrecognizable at mid - morning on day after fight in Montreal. This doesn't fit your "Duran landed few clean shots" view.
TrumanOThirsty 3 weeks ago
@TrumanOThirsty @TA152H01 - Sorry for the typo: I meant to type: I had: 6 rds. Duran, 5 rds. Leonard & 4 even.
TrumanOThirsty 3 weeks ago
@TrumanOThirsty Anyone that scores rounds even isn't even worth talking to, especially 5. That's just like saying you gave up, and can't score it.
The rest of what you say proves that point.
Oh, and by the way, did you see Leonard at the end of the third fight? Duran won that one too, right?
TA152H01 3 weeks ago
@TA152H01 Once again, you resort to an ad hominem comment to justify your 1st opinion. Why don't you just answer my question: :Why did SRL need emergency hospitalization during his flight home if " Duran did not land many clean shots?" Anyone can hurl insults; however, I would prefer a thoughtful reply.
Also, I could have added that Duran won more rounds by wider margins ( by standard boxing scoring methods) than did SRL. TA1 ... make your case w/o insults, if you are able to do so.
TrumanOThirsty 3 weeks ago
@TA152H01 It is obvious that your extreme bias against Roberto Duran renders you incapable of making a rational case against him in the 1st Leonard fight. Your style is to berate, demean & discount many legitimate points in favor of Duran having won the 1st SRL bout. You ignore a question posited to you several times and disregard the fact that the fight in Montreal was not scored on a 10 point "must" system. How would 144 -143 score in favor of Duran differ from the way I scored the fight?
TrumanOThirsty 1 week ago
@TrumanOThirsty Because you don't know boxing. Anyone that scores rounds draws doesn't know boxing. Unless both guys sit and look at each other, you should pick a winner.
I don't really have a big problem with someone giving the fight to Duran by a point. He took more punishment, so I scored it easily for Leonard. You have some people that think if a guy is moving forward, he gets points. I don't, so he lost easily.
Frazier/Ali is similar.
TA152H01 1 week ago
@TA152H01 I know boxing well. I know how to score fights. As I said, this was not a 10 point "must" scoring fight and it is standard procedure, official judges do it, to score rounds even in such a bout. Leonard took more punishment as evidenced by his emergency hospitalization at Hershey, PA. Extremely few boxing writers, sports magazines or other pro boxers/trainers thought SRL won this fight. Your claim of a SRL win in th fight is baseless .It was a close fight but Duran won!
TrumanOThirsty 1 week ago
@TrumanOThirsty OK, if you want me to have a conversation, you're going to have to say something smart. This post failed miserable.
It was a 10 point must. Even the NY Times had Leonard winning by two points, as did many others. It was widely disputed.
I haven't seen anything about this hospitalization, but if you new boxing, that's not how fights are scored. Look at Leonard Duran III. Leonard was cut up, and dominated.
Again, do better.
TA152H01 1 week ago
@TA152H01 In fact, you are wrong about the fight being a 10 point must scoring bout. Reference the SI article "Right on Roberto" and see the official score cards. Yes, the NY Times was 1 of the few publications (US or foreign) to score the fight for SRL. Also, you keep trying strawman arguments with references to other fights: this is about Duran:SRL 1 ONLY. Check the Balto.Eve.Sun. 6/21/80 for proof of SRL being hospitalzed. The bout is NOT widely disputed - by SRL or boxing analysts.
TrumanOThirsty 6 days ago
@TrumanOThirsty Are you seriously that ignorant about boxing? Of course it was a 10 point must system. Why are we even talking about this, when you don't know what it means.
The point is, fights are not scored on who had more swelling or whatever. Look at Ali Frazier 1, Leonard Duran III, etc... It's meaningless. But, since you don't understand the 10 point must system, why am I even trying to tell you this. First, understand that, then we'll move on to these concepts.
TA152H01 6 days ago
@TA152H01 A 10 point must scoring system gives the winner of each rd 10 pts - the loser gets 9 pts or fewer; if loser of rd is knocked down, loses rd badly or ref penalizes him. This about covers a 10 pt. must system, but not entirely. Check official score cards; all judges scored some rounds even. You repeat the same diversions and unsubstantiated claims about SRL winning this bout despite overwhelming disagreement. Your position is that you are right and the world is wrong. No way!
TrumanOThirsty 6 days ago
@TA152H01 You were wrong about the 10 point must scoring system. Are you going to admit it? Your claim that SRL destroyed Duran in their 1st fight and another claim by you that it was a "close fight" are mutually exclusive and cannot be reconciled. In other words, you were wrong again. Your contention of a SRL victory in his 1st bout with Duran is not a defensible view - it is a false belief that seems to be based on your intense dislike of Duran.
TrumanOThirsty 6 days ago
@TrumanOThirsty Actually, you don't know boxing enough to interest me. 10 point must means the winner gets 10 points, and the other 10 or less. 10 point must system does allow for 10 point rounds. But even then, not all rounds get 10 points. If a guy gets a foul, it can be 9 to 9. I'm done educating you.
I never said he destroyed him the first fight, I scored it 9-6 I think. The second fight he destroyed him. Keep it straight.
TA152H01 6 days ago
@TA152H01 If you are such an astute history of boxing, you would know that in the 50s - mid 80's, the 10 point must system varied from state to state, as this rule evolved and changed. At first, most state sanctioning orgs for fights did not allow for even rounds and each rd had to have a winner & loser. As fight rules evolved, even rounds were allowed and each boxer got 10 pts. for even rds. However, this took more than 2 decades to fully evolve. More in follow up post.
TrumanOThirsty 6 days ago
@TrumanOThirsty If you read my 1st blog on 10 pt. must system, I said "this about covers 10 pt must ..., but not entirely. It is implicit that if winner of rd is penalized, then both boxers get 9 pts each. You said SRL hit Duran w/many more clean & hard shots which took away RD's stamina, power & speed in last 3 rounds, which is destruction.. In the 15th rd Duran had plenty of energy & made SRL miss most of his punches on purpose. Not smart but RD showed his defensive skills, speed & stamina.
TrumanOThirsty 6 days ago
@TrumanOThirsty You love Duran, and you're talking horsecrap. Let's be real, you speak so poorly for yourself, stop speaking for me. You're not smart enough. Duran won early rounds, and Leonard did beat him down so he was exhausted in the late rounds. I never said he destroyed him in the fight.
This fight was fought under the 10 point must system. Period. I'm done reading your posts, they are really dumb, uninformed, and boring as Hell.
Go bother someone else.
TA152H01 6 days ago
@TA152H01 I speak poorly? That is a bogus claim! You do not understand argumentation; logical fallacies ( you place many in your posts) & do not stay focused on the topic at issue: RD -SRL bout1. You advert irrelevant bouts, insult instead of making a case for your claims & worst of all: think your opinion is better than the vast majority of boxing analysts, writers and other professionals in boxing. You cannot argue cogently, so you use insults as a ploy. You demean yourself, not me.
TrumanOThirsty 6 days ago
@TA152H01 Even a third grader knows that repeating the same statements do not make them true. You seem to always want to have the last word because that is the type of intimidating peson you perceive yourself as being. I see numerous mistakes in your blogs about RD - SRL 1. Hold on to the false belief that you are right and the overwhelming majority of viewers and experts are wrong. Your claim that I am dumb is very funny.You are insulting but unintentionally hilarious! Thanks for the laughs.
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TA152H01 4 months ago
@TA152H01 @TA152H01 , LOL@ Leonard aged badly. LOL@you making excuses for your Hero's Shortcomings. Duran was the more complete fighter, somebody who could still fight when his speed and accuracy went downhill. Iran Barkley and Davey Monroe found that out the Hardway. Duran way past his prime beating dudes half his age in their primes winning championships,while Leonard was scared of dudes like Michael Nunn and opted for weak links and still losing. lol@Terry GlassJawNorris
InternationalBoy 4 months ago
@dropway9 Can't put Hearns ahead of Leonard...Simply because when they fought each other when they were BOTH at their peak....Leonard won...Great fight....but Leonard unified the title...And you can't go by "Hearns lost to fighters Duran beat"...Cuz if you go by that...then Leonard is number one hands down...Leonard beat ALL THREE...Duran LOST to all three...And Hearns STARCHED him...There's NO way Leonard is 4 on that list and beat the other three
dreman1970 1 month ago
I had it 146-140 for Hagler respect them both
numberonejawsfan 5 months ago
‘’Después del combate yo me fui para mi casa y él para el hospital’’ – Roberto Durán, sobre su derrota ante Marvin Hagler –
piratobatrava 5 months ago
@TESALONIAN Roberto Duran was from Panama you ignorant noob
jsabado 6 months ago
@jsabado dont care a bloody damn is he even was born in dubai. he has mexican blood enough said animal,search it and shut the fuck up imbecile,hahahahaha love to shut your kind's mouth. bet you $1,000 pounds he has mexican blood..his father was mexican enough said. visit my channel anytime mate feel free to do it,come to greece I can show you a couple of trick's
TESALONIAN 5 months ago
why duran was that good? BECAUSE HE IS MEXICAN !! HIS FATHER IS MEXICAN.HIS NAME? MARGARITO DURAN..search for it..google it..there you have why duran was that good...HE HAS MEXICAN BLOOD IN HIM !!! cheers from greece
TESALONIAN 6 months ago
@TESALONIAN Jaja y yo soy Rocky Balboa xD
piratobatrava 5 months ago
@TESALONIAN you search that on greecepedia! there greek are no gay.! ja!
tuliviejo02 5 months ago
Este Hagler es un cómico, cada vez que pierde una pelea se pone a bailotear para disimular de todas las trompadas que le metieron a Durán no le pudo dar con la cabeza ni ponerle el dedo en el ojo como acostumbra a hacer en los combates dificiles
condemorch 6 months ago
wat two belts did hagler have? wbc and wat else ? i no he beat minter to win wbc but who did he beat to clame the other?
st4focus4mk4 6 months ago
@st4focus4mk4 Minter had the undisputed title...
KillerConstable 6 months ago
Two of the toughest fighters of all time, both earned respect for one another in this fight. Duran found out that Middleweight belonged to Hagler, and Hagler earned a huge amount of respect for Duran, who was able to challenge the Greatest Middlweight of all time, at his prime, at his weight for 15 long rounds, winning up until the 12th on the judge's score cards. Both truley amazing!
JerryLFC31 6 months ago 7
HAGLER LIKE ALL THE MOTHERFUCKER NORTHAMERICAN FIGHTERS IS A FUCKING CLOWN. US FIGHTERS ARE A FUCKING SHIT. DURAN BETTER BY FAR
tromau1 7 months ago
@tromau1
How about Tommy Hearns?
BruceinFalkirk 7 months ago
@tromau1 butt hurt mexican, fyi Pernell Whitaker had more talent in his pinky than JCC had ever
ztme07 6 months ago
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@ztme07 why duran was that good? BECAUSE HE IS MEXICAN !! HIS FATHER IS MEXICAN.HIS NAME? MARGARITO DURAN..search for it..google it..there you have why duran was that good...HE HAS MEXICAN BLOOD IN HIM !!! cheers from greece
TESALONIAN 6 months ago
Hagler had an extra large protective skull which was found out on a MRI scan, not bad when your trade is a boxer!!! Once but down once in his career.
Metatarsal 7 months ago
@Metatarsal that 'once' was a slip
marinlille 7 months ago
this fight was a joke!! hagler could of bit duran all day long!! i think this was fake.....
tatojunco 8 months ago
This fight was NOT close! Duran MIGHT have won three close rounds AT BEST. Duran never took the initiative. Duran never sustained an attack across rounds. For the most part, Duran retreated and did not engage. He countered effectively, but this strategy did not neutralize Hagler's effectiveness.
More accurate score 147: 138
Hollywood-Vegas always hated Hagler.
iconoclasticism 8 months ago
There's NO Way Hagler lost this, Duran took a few rounds but Marvin was barely hurt in this..
shuriken86 8 months ago 3
I can't believe how close the judges had it. I had Hagler by a looooong way.
FSMNoodlyAppendage 8 months ago
@FSMNoodlyAppendage I had Hagler ahead by 3 points.
coldwater02 8 months ago
duran say hagler... te gano antuofermo..... jajajaja
pensocad 8 months ago
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babyfaceassassin21 9 months ago
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babyfaceassassin21 9 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21
Excuuuuuses!!
fagiu 9 months ago
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babyfaceassassin21 9 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21
The fact is Manny never beat Marquez convincingly, while Duran schooled Leonard for 10 rounds and beat him fair and square over 15. Boxers today are not better than '70s or '80s fighters, so I can make all the comparisons I want. By the way, Pancho Villa was a hell of a fighter.
fagiu 9 months ago
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babyfaceassassin21 9 months ago
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babyfaceassassin21 9 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21
Duran had 119 fights in 17 years, an unreal career. Pacquiao won't even come close to such numbers. Yet, you talk about Roberto's late losses when he was way past his prime. Big deal. Duran gave a top 3 ATG 147 fighter like Leonard a boxing lesson and had the fight in the bag after 10 rounds. He could even coast in the last 5 rounds. Pacquiao destroyed all the top fighters? What about Marquez? I don't even know if he ever beat JMM
fagiu 9 months ago
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babyfaceassassin21 9 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21
Leonard is better than every single fighter Pacquiao has beaten. Hell, he's even better than Mayweather
fagiu 9 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21 Duran fight with the best boxers of the 70´s, 80´s (the golden age of middleweights) and half of the 90´s. He fight agains the best Leonard, the best Hagler, the best Hearns, the best de Jesus, the best Cuevas and the best Barkley. Pacquiao (an exelent boxer) instead wait. He waits the decline of its competitors. thats why he is going to fight Martinez...no?...Mayweather? no?... ohhhh... Shane "wasted" Mosley of course.
Juantopoc 9 months ago 3
@babyfaceassassin21 Duran fight with the best boxers of the 70´s, 80´s (the golden age of middleweights) and half of the 90´s. He fight agains the best Leonard, the best Hagler, the best Hearns, the best de Jesus, the best Cuevas and the best Barkley. Pacquiao (an exelent boxer) instead wait. He waits the decline of its competitors. thats why he is going to fight Martinez...no?...Mayweather? no?... ohhhh... Shane "wasted" Mosley of course.
Juantopoc 9 months ago
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@babyfaceassassin21 Duran fight with the best boxers of the 70´s, 80´s (the golden age of middleweights) and half of the 90´s. He fight agains the best Leonard, the best Hagler, the best Hearns, the best de Jesus, the best Cuevas and the best Barkley. Pacquiao (an exelent boxer) instead wait. He waits the decline of its competitors. thats why he is going to fight Martinez...no?...Mayweather? no?... ohhhh... Shane "wasted" Mosley of course.
Juantopoc 9 months ago
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@babyfaceassassin21
Duran fight with the best boxers of the 70´s, 80´s (the golden age of middleweights) and half of the 90´s. He fight agains the best Leonard, the best Hagler, the best Hearns, the best de Jesus, the best Cuevas and the best Barkley. Pacquiao (an exelent boxer) instead wait. He waits the decline of its competitors. thats why he is going to fight Martinez...no?...Mayweather? no?... ohhhh... Shane "wasted" Mosley of course.
Juantopoc 9 months ago
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babyfaceassassin21 9 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21 who's the best boxer he has beaten? Hiroshi Kobayashi (61-9-4), Ken Buchanan (43-1-0), Hector Thomson (39-2-2), Esteban de Jesus (42-1-0) & (52-3-0), Lou Bizzarro (22-0-0), Carlos Palomino (27-2-3), Luigi Minchillo (35-1-0), Pipino Cuevas!!!! (29-8-0)... and Leonard who is the best because...well, I expect you now why. ¡ROBERTO "MANOS DE PIEDRA" DURAN se escribe con mayusculas!
() Record at the time of the fight
Juantopoc 9 months ago
@Juantopoc Chavez has better numbers than Duran, bue Duran is the best latin boxer.
alkolicho 7 months ago
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@babyfaceassassin21 who's the best boxer he has beaten? Hiroshi Kobayashi (61-9-4), Ken Buchanan (43-1-0), Hector Thomson (39-2-2), Esteban de Jesus (42-1-0) & (52-3-0), Lou Bizzarro (22-0-0), Carlos Palomino (27-2-3), Luigi Minchillo (35-1-0), Pipino Cuevas!!!! (29-8-0)... and Leonard who is the best because...well, I expect you now why. ¡ROBERTO "MANOS DE PIEDRA" DURAN se escribe con mayusculas!
() Record at the time of the fight
Juantopoc 9 months ago
Yep. I watched it again. 6-10, and 14 and 15 Hagler absolutely destroyed Duran. Really other than 12 and 13, Duran was outclassed the whole fight. I take nothing away from Duran, great fighter, but Hagler was way too much for him. The scoring being that close was a travesty.
mbferrara 9 months ago
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babyfaceassassin21 9 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21
LMAO! Duran beat Sugar Ray Leonard at 147 (!), won the 154 and 160 titles against the much bigger Moore and Barkley and you ask me if he CAN beat limited welters like Cotto e Margarito. It would have been a massacre... I told you I love Pacquiao, you don't need to defend his case. Fantastic weight jumper, but no he wasn't really smaller than Barrera and Marquez, although he had fought in lower weight classes as a young starving kid.
fagiu 9 months ago 13
@fagiu pac did it with catch weights big difference than what duran did. he didnt use catch weights
kingzula 5 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21
Just like Duran, who started fighting to save his life as a 15yo starving bantamweight! See, there are some striking similarities between Roberto and Manny. So you're wrong, they're perfectly comparable.
fagiu 9 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21 Steroids MANny Pacquiao ain't shit with out his Steroids. If he didn't have anything to hide, he should have nothing to fear. And if he is unwilling to take random tests or one within 12 days of a fight then he is guilty as charged. What is he afraid of? It's only obvious His whole career is a sham. You can't fool me said the wise man.
jonc03 9 months ago
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babyfaceassassin21 9 months ago
@babyfaceassassin21
He wasn't just the only challenger to go the distance with Hagler: he kept the fight pretty close, wich is an amazing achievement for a natural lightweight. I love Pacquiao but Margarito, Cotto, Clottey and a weight drained, semi-retired De la Hoya cannot be compared with a top 3 ATG middlerweight champ near his prime.
fagiu 9 months ago
the hagler leonard decision was bullshit. hagler beat on him and leonard didnt hur marvin once. he jsut looked a little slower than usual cause he was past his prime.
ghns1133 10 months ago
Although the participants where great, this was one of ( if not THE ) worse fights I ever saw.
Not once, did one of them open up and go for broke. Terrible fight.
6400az 10 months ago
this might have been a tough fight, but only because duran was tough; but it certainly wasn't a tough fight to score. i saw a landslide victory for hagler. but duran ought to change his moniker from 'manos de piedra' to 'cabeza de piedra' because dude took some good shit from hagler and didn't even bear a scuff to show for it. respect to the legends! my era sucks...
BigOldMrKnish 11 months ago
Go Panama!
jampop77 11 months ago
Duran is the King, no question about it!
37terraplane 11 months ago 2
Duran was not great, he's good......plus he has bad sportsmanship, but not when Hearns knocked him out, lol........he couldn't be a dick then, lol.
RedRumDeity 11 months ago
@RedRumDeity, I'm sorry, but anyone who can't see that Duran is, without doubt, great in every sense of the word (and one of the greatest fighters of all time) simply does not know boxing, has little understanding of the context of his post-1980 career and probably gains all of their boxing 'knowledge' through looking at BoxRec.com. People who degrade him on the Hearns result are absolutely clueless. Duran was, pound for pound, the greatest of the 'fab four', with Leonard closely following him.
iljn1988 11 months ago
@iljn1988 Great post! Duran - RD was deservedly named "Fighter of the Decade for the 70s). You grasp the significance of RD's 70 -1 record going into his 1st bout with Leonard - SRL. RD gave SRL his only loss while SRL was in his prime in their 1st bout. Duran was already an all time great before SRL1. Then, to come back after the ruinous quit in RD - SRL2 was incredible. SRL was "Fighter of the Decade for the 80s) & deserved it. Both great but RD was better & authoritative sources agree.
TrumanOThirsty 5 days ago
alot of u ppl obviously do not knw Durans history, When Duran beat Leonard he was 69-0 and he beat him. Its not abt how many times u get knocked down but how many times u get back up.. So tell me how many boxers even fight 69 times??? None!! I would take Duran over anybody anyday!
zkdjgg45 11 months ago
Duran absolutely cleaned out lightweight, he moved up and was at a serious disadvantage in every fight he was in after that. Every guy he fought was way bigger than him. Duran's status as a legend is legitimate, He beat Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, Sugar Ray etc . . . Like I said, sure he lost some but he also beat some great legends in weight classes he practically had no business fighting in. To say Duran is not a legend shows that you don't know what you are talking about.
squifurgie 1 year ago
Hagler SHOULD have won this fight convincingly.
I think Hagler having seen Duran eye poke and ko Davey Moore 5 months before at Jr middleweight was too cautious in this fight.
Duran being able to infight hagler successfully is one of the highlights of this fight i`m surprised he could go up in weight and do that so well.
Kudos to Duran.
SirHappyThe1st 1 year ago
it's obvious to me that you have no friends. You're just willing to talk to anybody even after you said you wouldn't just so you won't be lonely.
Either that or you don't know what a debate is
I think I'll go with door #1
BALL GAME
Trumpetz811 1 year ago
Duran wasn't an all-time great? Sheesh, fools jabber. You don't have a clue.
backstretch 1 year ago
Imagine if Duran hadn't coasted the 15th round, he woulda won...
MastaSmack 1 year ago
im not sayin duran isnt great. he is!!! no doubt!!!! im jus sayin he isnt as great as ppl say. alot of ppl put him up there with ali, srr, srl, etc....u gotta b kiddin me. if he beat the greats in his era (srl, benitez, hagler & hearns) i'd give him that recognition. but to beat srl once, buchanan, moore, barkley, thompson, ishimatsu, robertson, etc..and put him up there with ali, srr, etc...is not right.
st762410 1 year ago
@st762410
How many lightweights could have beaten SRL?
How many lightweights could have gone the distance with Hagler?
How many lightweights won titles at 147, 154 and 160?
Think about it
fagiu 1 year ago 38
@fagiu think about how a fighter would go down in history in todays "fight world" if he was supposed to be top rank, and then quit in the middle of a fight.
Not to mention, how many of the "greats" take the kinda beating Duran took at the hands of Hearns.
Duran should be counted as good, but not great
Trumpetz811 1 year ago
@Trumpetz811
Duran's quit job was disgraceful, no doubt about it, and Roberto fell from his grace in those days, but he accomplished a lot before and after that. This could not be denied.
Many greats fighters were KO in brutal fashion by bigger, more powerful opponents when they moved up in weight, not to mention the stylistic nightmare Hearns was for Duran
fagiu 1 year ago
@fagiu Yeah, I guess you're right... I guess it's like they all say, "styles make fights"...
Trumpetz811 1 year ago
@Trumpetz811, are you seriously suggesting that no other bonafide great has taken a beating like that? Duran isn't the only one at all. Harry Greb was knocked out by one punch against Chip. Henry Armstrong took two horrendously one-sided thrashings at the hands of Fritzie Zivic. Jack Johnson was destroyed by Joe Choynski. Jack Dempsey, Alexis Arguello and Emile Griffith were all knocked out in the opening round before they won a title, Arguello on his debut. Mike Spinks was blitzed by Tyson etc
iljn1988 1 year ago
@iljn1988 1. I never heard of most of those fighters so I doubt they were actually "greats" maybe good but not "greats"
2. The "greats" that are actually on the list either took their "beatings" in the beginning or at the end of their careers. You coulda included Ali on there and Joe Louis by the way you're thinking.
Trumpetz811 1 year ago
@Trumpetz811, you've just said you've never heard of Greb, Armstrong, Arguello, Griffith, Johnson and Dempsey, and that for that reason they aren't greats. I'm glad you've been daft enough to post that comment, because it basically shows how little you know about boxing. If you haven't even heard of these undeniably great fighters, then how can your opinions carry any serious weight? At best then, your opinions are very unreliable, don't you think? No point debating with someone like that.
iljn1988 1 year ago
@iljn1988 Incredible.... think about it.... you named "x" amount of fighters in your first comment... then even though I didn't mention ANY NAMES from your list... you picked 6 that I said I never heard of.... WOW.... how do you do it.... I mean, how do you read minds like that... even though I've heard of some on the boxers on your list of 6 you said that I said I've never heard of them..
I think you're right.... there is no point in debating....
Trumpetz811 1 year ago
@Trumpetz811, look mate, the fact remains that I offered up Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Alexis Arguello, Emile Griffith and Mike Spinks as examples. You categorically said that you'd never heard of some of them. It doesn't matter if you've never heard of just one or all seven - the fact remains, no boxing fan with a decent amount of knowledge would be at a total loss with some of them, like you just said you are. You need to watch some fights and read some books.
iljn1988 1 year ago
@iljn1988 no i don't either, because i couldn't care less about who was who way back in the day when the world was in black and white. What do I gain in life by knowing who Harry Greb, or Duran Duran, or Mike Tyson or Rocky were... N O T H I N G...
You can do it how you see best for you, but for me, I try to fill my time with things that are going to actually benefit me in real life.
Trumpetz811 1 year ago
@Trumpetz811, good attempt at trying to walk away from the argument without it looking as if you've had your arse handed to you. Going down the 'I'm so much more enlightened, I'm above these debates' route, eh? As I said, nice try; but unfortunately for you, the fact that you were on here debating in the first place kind of makes your point invalid and nonsensical, and just leaves you looking even dafter. I don't expect a reply, as you'll be off doing something to "benefit you in real life."
iljn1988 1 year ago
@iljn1988 yeah yeah.... just remember.... you were the first one to say that there was no point in debating and two comments later here you are... you can't leave it alone.... makes me believe that I'm under your skin and now you're trying to find a way to get under mine. I love it when i do that to people. :-)
keep it up, maybe one day you'll be there eventually
but for now, you ain't even worthy to mention me
I'm the one doing the favor
Trumpetz811 1 year ago
@Trumpetz811, seriously you should do stand up! I did say that; but the fact remains, you were debating boxing on here. You were then on the end of an absolute hiding in the argument - then lo and behold you didn't want to debate, you were too enlightened for all that! Translation - I've been shown up, now I'm backtracking and looking for any excuse to get out, scurrying around like a spider in a bath tub. The only "favour" you should do is one for yourself - fuck off to avoid more humiliation.
iljn1988 1 year ago
@iljn1988 let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that I was debating.... you may want to check the dates of those "debates".... to make it easy on you, don't check all of the dates, before you became a grub line rider, just check the last one.... dude, you'll see that that "debate" was over a long time ago... just deal with the fact that you missed the bus. walk home.
ding... ding...
KNOCK OUT!
Trumpetz811 1 year ago
@Trumpetz811, obviously didn't miss it by too much, seeing as you've responded to me about half a dozen times. Spot the flaw there, mate? The irony that you also said "there's no point debating" seems to be lost on you, too. So, you've debated, got your arse handed to you, contradicted yourself by saying you didn't care to debate once I showed you up, and then have spouted some nonsensical bullshit in order to deflect how brutalised you have been on this video.
Yeah, a real "knock out", eh?
iljn1988 1 year ago
@Trumpetz811 Joe Louis lost his 1st bout with Max Schmeling by KO. At time of bout, Louis was young, had a record of 23-0, & was #1 hvywgt. contender. Almost no one gave Schmeling. a chance at age 30. Max KO'ed Louis in the 12th round in 1st fight. Louis was in his prime and was KOed!. Louis did not take Max seriously. It is not unusual for great fighters to be KOed. Louis avenged the loss by rd 1 KO 2 yrs later. Sugar Ray Robinson was never KOed but is exception, not the rule, so to speak.
TrumanOThirsty 5 days ago
@Trumpetz811 He was way passed his best when these things happened,and what weight was he then?
suffern63 11 months ago
@Trumpetz811 if you cant see the skill that duran had in the ring than you dont know the sport. he was so good that he though he didnt have to train and then he quit cause leonard was being a clown. plus hearns was alot bigger and he had a year layoff trained about 3 weeks (not seriously) that was the best earns there ever was.
ghns1133 10 months ago
@Trumpetz811 You no nothing about boxing, joe frazier is an all time great in the heavy's, but that didn't stop him getting destroyed by foreman. Its the same with duran, just because he got destroyed by hearns doesn't take anything away from his greatness. At lightweight he was a marvel, one of the best LW ever. Then to come up to MW to fight guys like hagler and hearns, what a set of balls. The first SRL fight is the only one that matters, the second and third timed nicely for SRL.
XavierMarciano 10 months ago
@fagiu
I agree that RD was great but to be fair he was probably a natural Jr Welter (140lbs) from 1977-1979 and was struggling to make 135lbs in his final couple of years as LWT champ. During his reign as LWT champ he fought a lot of non-title fights and he was generally over 135lbs for these.
He was a natural welterweight when he fought SRL in 1980 and wouldn't have been able to get anywhere near 135lbs at that stage.
AKAKArnott 1 year ago
@AKAKArnott
I think Duran's struggles with the lightweight limit in the '70s depended more from the fact he wasn't exactly a gym rat and ate like a pig between training camps... I agree he couldn't have stayed at his prime weight in the '80s.
fagiu 1 year ago
@fagiu
Yeah - that was a habit that unfortunately he took with him as he moved up the divisions. The no fat version of Duran in the early and mid 70's though was formidable indeed. You have to feel sorry for someone like Esteban De Jesus, who had he not been unlucky enough to overlap Duran's time at lightweight might have been regarded as a great champion himself.
AKAKArnott 1 year ago
@fagiu Absolutely. Duran ended his career fighting guys that were true Middleweights & Light Heavyweights . Imagine manny Paquiao , Floyd mayweather moving up 2 or 3 weight classes and having the same success as Duran. st62410> "not as great as ppl say" ? What does that mean???
DrHogfan 10 months ago
@fagiu you are right duran is a top 10 all time fighter.
ghns1133 10 months ago
@fagiu Only 1....The Greatest Lightweight of all time..and quite possibly the greatest fighter pound for pound in boxing history...Roberto Duran.
pmdnyc 8 months ago 3
@pmdnyc How's he the greatest?? if he's the greatest, then what is Thomas Hearns? His record against Hearns Haggler and Leonard- 1 win 4 losses. and one of those losses was a beatdown, by the Hitman
chrismzac 5 months ago
@chrismzac Thomas Hearns was a freak of nature...The Height and reach of a heavyweight at the welterweight and middleweight....Duran was way too small...had to get hit to get inside...but pound for pound Hearns couldnt hold Durans jockstrap. Pound for Pound, Duran was better than ALL the guys you mentioned. If any of them ever had to face Duran as a lightweight, non of them even makes it close. all get stopped.
pmdnyc 5 months ago