"I'm awfully glad to be an epsilon semi-moron...."
In case you have no idea where this comes from - Aldous Huxley's book is incredibly apt in describing the brain of a theist. You're forced to learn nonsensical dribble by rote, without thinking about it, your morality is dictated, and you're demonstrably incapable of independent learning.
You should be: he's the guy who ordered the murder of hundreds of innocent children, he's the guy who by his own hand, brutally and horribly murdered millions of innocents for crimes they didn't commit. He's the guy who lets perfectly good people be tortured for eternity, for the simple crime they didn't worship his ego.
I'd say not only is he shameful, he's downright immoral.
@TheRealityofNature really? are you trolling? I agree with @Freak4Life30. What's wrong with you? And just so the spanish inquisition was maybe 300 or 400 years ago! You actually expect the middle ages to be the same as now? They may be alike but they were more fierce believers. They believed that if you didn't believe in God, you didn't deserve to live and a disgrace.
"You actually expect the middle ages to be the same //?"
not at all - but apparently christians think a philosophy created in the bronze age is valid now. By comparison, the dark ages is blink of an eye..
so which is it guy? Do you want to appeal to a bronze age philosophy, and then tell me that I can't point out the historically proven facts that your religion incriminates people?
I don't need to go back to 1600 to show christians murder to enforce their unprovable god.
@TheRealityofNature still waiting on you to validate you claim. Who are these noble prize winning physicists that agree with you? What's that? None of them do. That is what I thought.
@TheRealityofNature You need to read the bible. And I mean read it. Then you will understand. You think that not reading the bible and just making judgements will stand in a debate about God? No. It wont. Because u dont understand what you argue about. If you actually read the bible you will find that there are princeples that can be used even today. Also, do not blame God or the bible for the crimes of man. Man has twisted the truth in the bible for its own gain.
"You need to read the bible. And I mean read it. Then you will understand"
strange, because this is exactly what I say to theists. But I add the caveat: you have to THINK about it too - clearly, you need to do that.
I choked on the parts where your god slaughters the entire of his creation (save a handful), beacause he was so disgusted them (apparently their behaviour came as a surprise to this all-knowing god).
Many biblical principles are OLDER than the bible.
Love the song by the way, we always sing it our youth convention, makes us all jump and really helps us to not be ashamed of god. I WILL NEVER BE ASHAMED OF YOU! Maybe you guys that are fighting should actually listen to the song :) it might calm you or touch you. "I Believe" is also a great song.
In conclusion, my main point is that God loves every single person on this planet, and we should love them as well. And at @TheRealityofNature I'm sorry you feel that way. But I do hope you can find the love that God has for you. I have been so lucky to have God in my life at a young age. I do have struggles, but I know God will always be with me ready to help. Prayer is power and I hope everyone can get what I'm saying. Go and pray for people who upset, don't hate them. Show them love like God.
Whether it would be to talk about god with an unsaved friend, or writing a comment of love. I will say some Christians choose to hate gays and other religions, but that shows that they strayed away from the right path. I as well as most Christians choose to LOVE rather then hate. As it is said "LOVE THE SINNER, HATE THE SIN." I don't agree with being gay, for god made Eve for Adam, not Steve for Adam. But I will not be any more loving to them as to a straight person.-
Most important, we should be praying for them. God loves all his children and it pains him to see them heading in the wrong direction. Don't forget the Great Commission, Mathew 28: 19-20 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." That is what we are called to do.-
"we should be praying for them" - why? do you think your god's plan is wrong?
"I don't agree with being gay" - you don't have to, but it's not ethical to PREVENT them from being what they are.
"God loves every single person on this planet" - and yet, your god lets the VAST majority of them be tortured for eternity... and does nothing at all - just watches.
There's not very much that is intelligent or sensible about your religion - WHY do you believe? what do you get out of it?
I really am shocked at what was said by others. More so shocked at what some believers. Not all but some.I made this channel because I was saddened when I read the comments. I may be only 14, but that does not mean I don't know anything. Instead of bashing people, we should be planting seeds, or watering seeds that have been planted already. You don't know what is happening in others life. They might be searching, and are confused on what to believe. We should be sharing the wonders of God. -
@TheRealityofNature ybecause we live by faith and not by sight say what you want everyone knows you just want attention maybey you just need it or just want it but go and grow up
So you take greedily the fruits of logic and reason with one hand, and hastily reject that same logic and reason, when it points our your philosophy is a lie?
hypocrisy, it seems, is not a sin to christians...
I don't need attention guy, I need to point out the damage your religion does to the potential of humanity - it imposes bigotry, limits freedom of thought, rejects logic and reason. If I wanted attention, I wouldn't be anonymous.
@TheRealityofNature what damage are we doing to you are anyone lol we are just worshiping our Lord now tell me how that damages anything and i like how you trying to get all smart on me when iam a 15 year old and your like 30 and we give people freedom we dont force people to join christanity we let if the want to and really if you hate God and us why do you come here listen to the video and talk crap to everyone
Firstly, religion destroys human innovation - history proves this. While the term "the dark ages" is not used by historians any more, it certainly has relevant connotations: an era dominated by religious paranoia, disease, young people being burned alive because of ignorant superstition, scientists also burned alive or ostracized.
In the modern era, we have divinely-excused homophobia (proposition 8), teaching of rejection of logic & critical thinking ("intelligent design"), etc.
@TheRealityofNature some of the things you say are ture but you are talking about other religions and not ours sure christainty was bad at first but not know we dont kill people who dont belive in God and you just need to calm down no one realy cares what you say we both see things diffrent and so if you dont belive in God or any other religion were do you think you soul will go when you die
sure you do, and in fact, your bible recommends that homosexuals be killed. levetius 20:13. so either you haven't read your bible, or you're lying.
lying, in case you don't know, is a sin.
In any case, christianity does ALL the things I mentoined previously, I even gave you examples of them - like any theist, you ignore the facts when presented to you - which is why the world laughs at theists.
@TheRealityofNature the world laughs at theists ok nand i laugh at you you say all this crap about God but yet you read the Bible and your right i dont read the Bible and thanks fore beaing a smart ass i know lying is a sin lol well if what you say is true prove it find a video or something of a christian killing another man you wont find one and if you do show me and we can keep bitchen at each other
@abbrown38 "and your right i dont read the Bible" if you know nothing about your god - how can you possibly claim him to be truth? "find a video or something of a christian killing another man" simple: read about: 1. the spanish inquisition 2. Geordano Bruno 3. "god hates fags" when you've done that, you can read about 4. proposition 8 (imposition of god's word by law, on the population) 5. teaching of "intelligent design" - same as above. bitch away.. AFTER you've read about these things.
@TheRealityofNature i know about what we have done in the past and you right about that but we dont kill or touture people know do we i dont think so and i know more than you think about my God lol
@TheRealityofNature you just love being a troll don't you. You actually spend countless hours every day trolling and it accomplishes nothing. You sir, are pathetic.
I seriously have been a sinner lately, I think this song is bringing back to a true life. One that I love and should live. I really am far from god. I've started watching porn, hitting on girls, cursing a LOT, and treating girls like slaves. I wish my life was the opposite of what it is now. I'm 13 so this is very embarassing to confess. So I'm confessing here. I have let you down, God.
me too. I really do - are you able to prove the "truth" to me logically, or even intelligently?
Why do you need a god to distinguish right from wrong? more to the point, why would you use a god who murders innocent children for the crimes of their parents? why would you use a god who allows his own "loved" creations be tortured for eternity?
Why use a god that nonchalantly allows innocent people to die horribly from diseases he created?
@TheRealityofNature No one can experience the truth unless they allow God into their life and make an effort to believe. Some may have to see miracles to believe that there is a God. Other's have seen good deeds being done to them time and time again and seek God, wondering why Christians believ what they believe.
I think we do need God to show us what is right, look at the world today, people are trying to rule their own lives and look at where its got them.
"No one can experience the truth unless they allow God into their life and make an effort to believe"
you've made a fundamental misunderstanding of the words you use.
If something is demonstrated to be "truth", then "belief" is irrelevant. I can believe the sky is orange all I like - the TRUTH is that it's blue, and we can prove it.
You can't prove a single thing about your god - you DON'T KNOW - therefore, you can't claim anything to be "truth". capesh?
@TheRealityofNature What does a parent do if he/she sees him about to walk off a cliff despite trying to tell it not to? He pulls it back and then disciplines it for not listening - thats what God did in the old testament, thats one reason for the Law of Moses. Parents that love their children will discipline them because thats the best thing for them. Also, God is Holy and coannot be with anything bad/sinful - which is why anything bad/sinful must burn.
lol - your parents burn you alive when you refuse to clean your room? haha!. idiot.
"thats what God did in the old testament"
Yes, apparently your all-knowing god god pissy when his creations used the free will he created them with. Apparently your all-knowing god didn't know his creations would behave the way they did.
Like I said kid, when you reads, you gots to thinks.
@TheRealityofNature But then funny thing is is that he sent his son Jesus to die for our mistakes. He is literally shouting in our faces for us to choose HIM which leads to LIFE and not the world/the bad stuff wehiich will mean we will be eternally damned. Not only this, but Adam disobeyed God in the begining, which means it was mans fault for not being in paradise anyway.
"But then funny thing is is that he sent his son Jesus to die for our mistakes"
the funnier thing is that JC is actually god - so, you see a god fake his own death, and pretend that's a miracle, or even a sacrifice.
The problem is guy, you're not even thinking about the bible, you just read the words. You're required to consider them intelligently before you open your mouth and babble illogical froth. okay?
my life is meaningless? not at all!, my life is delicious!, fantastic!, amazing, incredible. and god-free. no brimstone spewing god peeking over my shoulder with a little black book - pen hovering of the "leave in hell" box.
no god stomping around, incinerating children, drowning them, getting humans to do impossible things like build an ark for both penguins (which weren't heard of, in 3000 bc) and polarbears, both of them having walked 8000 km in a few days.
Here's an advice to everyone: If you engage in heated (or healthy) theological debates about God and Christianity can you please take it somewhere else? Message eachother instead of continuing long threads that seriously kill the mood for a lot of people that just simply want to go on here to listen to great music and praise God. I certainly had a long, tiring day and I came on here to relax and relieve stress, not see it (as I am sure everyone feels the same way).
@josiejss BTW, please thumbs up this comment so everyone can see it!! We need to create an atmosphere worthy of worship, not kill the mood with sour attitudes!
@josiejss As much as I agree with you, I also feel that some people may have questions as well and are too afraid to ask. They may also be questioning their own faith, and I think being able to see the answers directly from the Bible is a help. I think allowing people to come on here and spit on Christianity "kills the mood."
I've seen teenagers cut themselves to force themselves to ignore their logic and intuition - to force themselves to "believe" in a god that would otherwise allow them to be tortured for eternity.
You have no right at all to pretend that your religion is "the truth", when you absolutely have no logical grounds to do so. Well - your religion HURTS these people - they want to know their intuition is valid and that it's logical, not that their rationality will end them up being tortured.
there's THOUSANDS of other god-pandering pages on youtube, and you're not forcing him to read the text. His comment is simply one more way to censor logic and reason, under the pretence of mock-offence.
what a lot of rot. joslejss - if you don't like what you read here - don't read it, or move on. If you can't cope with the reality of reality, you're issues are far bigger than can be solved by attempting to emotionally blackmail me.
@josiejss Here's an advice: Real Simple. Just don't read the comments, or close your eyes & enjoy the music. Isn't that why you accessed the site? Pretty much a no brainer, wouldn't you say?
Oh Lord that guy is hot XP please help me resist temptation...oh Lordy Lordy please! ahh xP. Okay, no, in all seriousness i want a hot, worshipping, respectful man like that. yes i do. amen.
@TheRealityofNature I found it interesting that today's verse on BibleGateway goes hand in hand with what we were debating a few days ago: "But, 'Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.' For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.” 2 Corinthians 10:17-18 NIV
@TheRealityofNature Why must you get so worked up over this? If you think I am wasting my life, then let me go ahead and do that. In my heart, I know I have not wasted anything by praising and worshipping the God I know made me. He has in no way "terrified" me into submission. I actually enjoy doing God's work. It's hard trying to be humble and love the unloved, but I have seen so many lives be touched from God working through me.
What dissapoints me is that people have to invoke the fallacy, the myth, the delusion, before they feel like they can "touch people" - why? why can't you do it on your own merits? well? ---- you can!.
why do you think YOU were incapable of getting to where you are now, without your god? --- YOU did it!
why invoke a horrific god to excuse and diminish your own accomplishments?
worse - why invoke satan to try to squash logical thought? <- THAT is actually disgusting!
@TheRealityofNature Ahahaha ahahahaaaaaa!! I will squeeze your little head until all the evil filth squirts out, like puss from a pimple. Then I will take your mother in my van & keep her in my cellar. My cousins & I will mount her over & over until we tire of her filthy vagina. Then we will dispose of her by selling her body to a Chinese restaurant, & your family will have the honor of her being featured on the menu under chicken dishes.
So I looked up a liitle about muslims and violence - apparently muslims are amongst the USA's mot pacifistic population (go look that word up) - they are the most peaceful in the usa. They don't subscribe to violence, or retribution - I learned all this from the gallup polls, you can find it to.
@TheRealityofNature The muslims comment you mention of is true. A lot of muslims actually don't do anything out of the ordinary from other Americans. However, one goal of radical Islam is to wipe out Christians. That is what is happening in the Middle East and one reason why they are so set on destroying a nation built upon Christian values.
@TheRealityofNature I'm not going to lie and say there's no radical Christians who kill people because of their opposition. I was simply stating that your comment on muslims was generalized. I don't understand why you feel you must have the last word and create a fuss. This is a Christian video, not a debating message board. If you have sincere questions, please do us a favor-message the user. But this is YouTube and you have rights, so you can obviously do what you want. It's just a suggestion.
It was clear that you were misrepresenting islam in your comment. you were focusing on some muslims. Given the similarly-violent nature of christiantiy, and the intolerance it perpetuates, I felt this was disingenuous. Your comment is 100% appropriate for some christians too.
It was clear to me, the log was in your eye. not mine.
I don't believe jabbarmustafa is anything more than a troll anyhow.
or do you think the usa is, and you think islam is trying to destroy the usa?
and here folks, we see what religion does to people "my religion is better than yours, you're trying to wipe out my values.. waaah".
firstly - no. secondly. no. thirdly, usa was FOUNDED on secular values. your forefathers had no intention of any particular religion "build" there - psst, that's why they mandated the separation of church and state.....
@TheRealityofNature Your country is becoming full of Muslims. We like to shit on your sidewalks. We work at your fast food restaurants & spit in the drinks we serve you, & empty our noses on your food when we make it. Ahahahahaaa!!!! Praise Allah!!!!
when you're done, google "intelligent design being taught in schools".
then "god hates fags"
and so on...
you can believe what you want - I don't care, but the minute theists start imposing, by law, their arbitrary and unprovable myth - there'll be an issue.
Is it that hard to walk away unmindful of what the others are saying? If you would react to every answer you get from the people here then this insolent arguments won't stop,.. this is a place FOR CHRISTIANS. If you are not a christian just leave already..
do you even know the meaning of the word RESPECT??? Is it in your vocabulary?
Get a life!! For goodness sake! You have not delved deeper to what Christianity really teaches... You are an instrument of the devil yet you are unaware of it.. And Christianity does not want to wipe out Islam. That is a false statement.... You are the one blinded by the your thoughts and beliefs... Do not force your ideas on us co'z we don't want em..
Respect is earned. All you've managed to do is demonstrate how little you know, and how unprepared you are to find out. I didn't say it was a goal of christianity, I said it was a goal of RADICAL christians. Worshipping other gods is a sin - so wipe em out - or did you forget why the crusades/spanish inquisition/witch burnings happen?
The murderous intent of your religion in the context of intolerances is clear, for example, leveticus 20:13.
I'm not focusing on your respect, I'm pointing out you violate your own principals, and expect people to be okay with that.
Your religion is intrinsically bigoted. It's actually the entire point. It worships a religious bigot, who will let you be tortured if you worship anything else. he advocates murder of homosexuals on the grounds it's an "abomination". Those are both the definition of Bigotry.
The intolerances of your religion are PROVEN by history. it is unquestionable.
@TheRealityofNature Are you getting your facts from experience with Christians or from the Bible itself? "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 This passage explains that Christians, although we are to follow God's Word and behave in a holy manner, are only human and will continue to sin despite our best attempts. You call our religion bigotted and all other kinds of slander, but on what are you basing your judgments?
as i said, leveticus 20:13 tells you that homosexuals should be murdered - sorrry mate, that's immoral.
The entire ethos of your religion is that people who don't follow it will be tortured for eternity. .. or some slightly diffrent permutation, depending on how hard you contrive what the bible says... either way, it's complete bigotry.
@TheRealityofNature Leviticus is a book in the Bible where God listed all kinds of rules that they were to live by to be pure. It was to prove that no human could fulfill all the requirements and be perfect, until Jesus. While the Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin, the New Covenant has been made and we are, in effect, told to love the sinner and hate the sin. We are not told to murder homosexuals. We should not condone the sin, but we should also not condemn the sinner.
I see. So you have a bible, half of which you're told to ignore.
Conveniently, this is the half where the horrors of your god are exposed.
So why do you have the OT at all?
Omnipresence doesn't really work like this. - time is irrelevant; a god that is a barbaric horror in the OT is always a horror. Time makes no difference: an omnipresent god could travel trhough time as easily as you can walk left or right. Ergo, the crminal god in the OT is identical to the god you worship now.
@somcko0l We are not to ignore the Old Testament. It is a blueprint for Christ's coming. It is a blueprint for the New Testament. And it is a blueprint for our Christian walks. In the Old Testament, God was unable to be reached except through those He chose, like Moses. When Jesus was crucified, the veil was torn and now we all have access to God and are called to have a relationship with Him. Not out of fear, but out of love.
@TheRealityofNature The Old Testament tells the prophecies that lead up to Jesus and the End Times. We are not to ignore it. Jesus's death fulfilled all the prophecies and created a New Covenant. Without the Old Testament, we wouldn't know the extent to how significant Jesus's death is. You can't focus solely on the New Testament if you want to know all about God and His awesome power. It's like living life now without taking into account the history of the U.S. and why we are where we are today
whoa. too many points in that post I want to bring up, but staying on target for now.
It's interesting, the entire of the OT is junked, but held on for historical value. But you don't actually get to find out about this until the NT - fine okay, perhaps prefaces weren't invented in 200 AD.
So, let's flesh this out properly - since we're talking about leveticus
homosexuality is okay? or is this a law that god made, then declared was okay, but then hastily said was back to being a law?
@TheRealityofNature God never declared it was okay. But instead of being brutally punished for it, now when we sin we are to seek forgiveness from Him. This is done because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ when He died for our sins so we may have a chance at eternal life with Him. Where does the Bible say it's okay?
Leveticus 18:22 and 20:13 are god's laws in the OT - I thought you had explained that the new covenant nullified that law, but now I see you didn't.
so - we have to backtrack I'm afraid. all the way back.
youre told to NOT murder HSals - where?
apparently, HSity, however, is immoral, and HSals will be tortured for eternity unless they decide that it's their fault your god made them the way they are, and have to apologize for it.
@TheRealityofNature A sin is still a sin. Homosexuality is stated in the book of Leviticus as such. However, the same punishment for that sin does not apply in today's world. God will judge the hearts of all sinners, and based on that judgment, some people will go to Hell and some to Heaven. If a homosexual continues to live in sin (much like a liar or a thief) and does nothing to change that, then God will deal with them. I honestly dunno if they will go to Hell. That's not my call.
"I honestly dunno if they will go to Hell. That's not my call"
okay, let's test your a) ability to think for yourself and b) your morals and ethics as they compare to modern day society.
Do you think homosexuals deserve to be tortured for eternity?
Do you think homosexuals are even merely doing something bad?
Actually, out of all questions I want you to answer, these are the most important. And yes, I'm going to get you to logically validate your answers, so choose them carefully.
@TheRealityofNature I think we all deserve to be tortured for eternity. We are all sinners, and God is so holy we would die in His presence if we were not made righteous through His sacrifice. I think homosexuals who act on their sexual desires for the same gender are sinning, yes. Just like any other sin that is acted out. I understand you were not talking about judgment, but you are not understanding that the Old Testament laws have been fulfilled and now we have Christ who is the law.
@TheRealityofNature Hebrews 8:10 says "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people." And verses 12-13 "'For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.' By calling this covenant 'new,' he has made the first one obsolete, and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear."
I tested your ability to think for yourself. instead of giving me your own, balanced, reasoned opinion, you vomited scripture all over my screen.
You are a puppet. A sad mockery of a freely-thinking human. You've failed to even consider the merits, or failures of your religion from an objective, or even rational context. You've got on your bended knees, opened your mouth, and unquestioningly swallowed the biblical foam poured into your eager mouth.
@TheRealityofNature I live by the Word of the Lord. Of course I'm going to back up my opinions with scripture, because my opinions are based on scripture. The Word is truth, and I stand by it. We are born into sin, my flesh wants things that contradict what my spirit wants. When I think and act from the flesh, I sin and go against what the Lord wants. When I think and act from my spirit, which is now one with the Holy Spirit, I do what is righteous. That is why I "vomited scripture."
Oh I entirely understand. your life is not yours at all. you don't actually exist. you consume resources & exist only to disseminate your particular brand of lazy thinking, poor logic & outright lies.
"The Word is truth, and I stand by it."
okay, prove it.
"We are born into sin"
fail - YOU think you are born into sin, until you prove it, you're lying.
You are not a man, you are a puppet. a mindless drone without a thought.
If you are that all-knowing, why don't you share your ideas to people who would appreciate them. I certainly do not appreciate your ideas as you don't appreciate mine.
I too had doubts before, but still here I am. Stronger in my faith..
I really pity you... You try so hard to discourage us. Discouragement is the devil's favorite weapon.
fail. - I know your mind is too closed & bigoted for change. It's not you that is to be changed, it's the marginal kids who read these pages to find the inadequate, incomplete, illogical and nonsensical arguments you contrive to protect your bigoted god.
"...Discouragement is the devil's favorite weapon."..
so it looks like your assertion fell on it's face.
"Stronger in my faith.."
I'll simply remind you that by definition, faith is illogical.
And I am telling you and your narrow mind that the homosexual thing was part of the law,.. Nowadays Christians DO NOT LIVE by the law. If we are still living by the law, we would not eat pork and other meats, nor converse with people like you,. So if by any chance your ideas were genuine,( and I am not saying it is) well hurray for you.. But I am telling you this,, we ENJOY our belief!
lol - your choice to write here is yours. not mine. I am NOT forcing you.
I don't want to strip you of your fantasy as such, I want to strip the world of the burden of having to support and nurture people who abuse and destroy the tenets of logic and reason. AND bigotry!, and I'm sorry mate, but to pretend many/most chrisitans don't use your religion to justify homophobia is ignorant and naive in the extreme.
Oh I'm sure there'll always be a handul of religious nuts.. a handful.
@TheRealityofNature ooh, an attack on Christian homophobia!!! While Romans 1: 24-31, it tells of how God, in seeing how people have turned against them, allowed them too. It actually specifically cites gayness as one of these ways people turn against God. But, also in Christianity, we are taught we should treat all sins as equal. It makes sense, but in a way contradictory to human logic. it's weird. Also, what's so bad about Christianity anyways? What's it ever done to you?
you mean apart from justifying bigotry, limiting free thought, diminishing or eliminating logic, demonising the science that keeps your ass on the internet, fed and warm/cool, teaching kids to ignore evidence and reject critical thinking?
But let's stick with the bigotry for now - that's easier.
@TheRealityofNature whatever. this world will pass away and you will be judged by God. GAY STRAIGHT BLACK WHITE IT DOESNT MATTER DUDE, BELIEVER AND ATHEIST WILL KNOW GOD LIVES.
lol - if you insist mate. but you've not no logical right nor reason to say so.
I'm pretty sure I live my life reasonably sensibly - compassionately when necessary, happy, sad, angry - all controlled by the hormones your god gave me, and the events I'm exposed to by the society and world, also a creation by your god.
if your god wants to let me be tortured for living as well as I'm able - then that makes a for a pretty stupid god, doesn't it?
"but the believer will get to go to gods kingdom"
Yes. but the cost is you abandon justice, morality, logic, commonsense and reason.
I value those things above all. unlike yourself. Abandoning those is, in my view, such a violation of all that humanity has achieved.. and could achieve, it's a crime, a sin more ghastly than any of the commandments your god laid out.
I'd rather be tortured for eternity than deny those virtues, and all they do for you, me, and everyone else.
@CapricousCapricorn1 this is true... i have a saying: theres no atheists in hell.. so why waste ur time here on this earth doing anything but trying to make it a better place?
I have a saying too - there's noone stupid, and noone nasty in hell.
why? because there is not one single thing that is intelligent about your religion. not one.
This is the reason gallup polls show religiosity and education are INVERSELY correlated - the more poor your education, the more likely you are to be theist.
Nasty people are those who think it's moral to let good people be tortured for eternity - exactly as you and your god do. go figure!
@TheRealityofNature Still wating on you to validate your nobel prize winning claim. You can keep trying to dodge this question, but nobody will take you seriously until you either admit that you don't have any or renounce your claim.
@TheRealityofNature Your claim about the nobel prize winners that I've been asking you to support for a month now. I already reminded you of where you made the claim. So now, you need to either support it for once, or renounce it. The fact that you avoid supporting it speaks volumes - you know you can't! This is a great victory, thanks for playing! You lose.
@TheRealityofNature The better question is why are you trolling into a bunch of hillsong videos just to annoy believers? I actually enjoy the songs, you just live to troll. You just make a bunch of comments you can't support. That is why nobody takes your trolling seriously.
@TheRealityofNature LOL, actually that is what you have been doing for a month now. We are still waiting on you to validate your nobel prize winners claim.
Do you really want to strip us of the things we ENJOY? Do you even know what that word means?!
now let us move to the subject of Faith.. Faith is trust, hope and belief in the goodness, trustworthiness or reliability of a person, concept or entity. It is NOT BASED ON PROOF!
So for short, it is felt, part of an emotion.. It is like you with your belief.. You think you know your belief is right because you have faith in it.. Get what I mean?
@TheRealityofNature Philippians 4:20 "But our citizenship is in heaven." and Acts 18:28 "For in him we live and move and have our being." So while I physically exist and am confined to this body, I strive to think and act in the spirit. A puppet? Nope. I have the freedom to choose whether or not to follow Jesus. A puppet has no option. In John 7:17 it says, "And if anyone chooses to do God's will," which implies what? A choice.
let me change tack. Since it's impossible to get you to think for yourself, and you seem to consider a regurgitation of contrived rubbish constitutes a valid argument, how about you address a slightly different topic:
Your entire existence, as a puppet, is contingent on the existence of your puppet master. So - I want to know - how have you proven the existence of your god to yourself?
have you used any facts? any information? any falsifiable test? Have you used any logic?
@TheRealityofNature When I was a young Christian, I had "thrown out a fleece" to ask God to show Himself to me. Now that my faith is stronger, I don't need to test his existence. I have the Bible as my facts and information. My logic is based on personal experience & encounters. When getting prayer from my pastor at church, he revealed information God gave him about myself that I had not told anyone. If you are honestly curious, why don't you ask God to reveal Himself to you? What will you lose?
And for your information, we went to a proper educational institute. We learned the things you learned, were taught the ideas you follow. We learned about evolution, the theories that follow it, about the chromosomes, the genetics and all sorts. We just don't follow tradition, we follow what our mind dictates us. We follow our understanding. People have different understandings on things. So you have no right to belittle us..
"People have different understandings on things. So you have no right to belittle us.."
It's a little more than ironic that this statement comes from someone who worships a god that a) considers anyone who fails to worship him as burnable trash. b) advocates that homosexuals should be murdered c) makes no distinction between innocent and sinful - and that's a subselection of the innumerable horrors.
If you don't like questions on the influence of your ideas - keep your mouth shut.
lol - not at all, the quality and substance of your answers serves a very important purpose for the future good of humanity - that were there IS no religin, and people dont have to make the nonsensical excuses you feel like you need to make.
Doing this shows how ignorant we are, like children fighting over candy.
You think of us as people who lack understanding and reason, but you don't need to press it on too much. If you truly are educated, show some respect, especially to people who enjoy their beliefs... This debate is becoming such a nuisance. We could argue on till our mind runs dry, but nothing could be formed from this. You are firm with your ideas such as I with mine.
@TheRealityofNature We are given the choice to live our lives however we wish, or we can pick up our cross and follow Jesus. Romans 1:24 says "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another." and 1:26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts..In the same way men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." The choice is ours, the judgment is His.
well you haven't been studying enough.. Leviticus is a part of the Old Testament, thus making it part of the "LAW". When Jesus died on the cross, we were made free of the law and act by our own free will. You focus too much on the Old Testament, it is the important HALF of the BIBLE, try reading the New Testament and find fault there.. And you are deeply emphasizing homosexuality,, so don't get me wrong, this is not a rhetorical question, but are you a homosexual?
"Leviticus is a part of the Old Testament, thus making it part of the "LAW". When Jesus died on the cross, we were made free of the law and act by our own free will"
very well, so why do you have the OT at all then, since you've been told to ignore its messages?
onward christians! im proud to be christian.
mylordnsaviourjesus 1 week ago
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"onward christians! im proud to be christian"
When I read comments like this, I'm reminded of:
"I'm awfully glad to be an epsilon semi-moron...."
In case you have no idea where this comes from - Aldous Huxley's book is incredibly apt in describing the brain of a theist. You're forced to learn nonsensical dribble by rote, without thinking about it, your morality is dictated, and you're demonstrably incapable of independent learning.
TheRealityofNature 5 days ago
OUR GOD IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <33
ReeRina48 1 week ago
love this song
mrsjames541 2 weeks ago
vejam: "Beatriz Castro: INFINITO AMOR"
BEATRIZCASTROOFICIAL 3 weeks ago
1st song listened this year...happy new year!
Melis8163 4 weeks ago
joel houston is way better than Marty, but this a great song!
tsctsud17 1 month ago
I will never be ashame of you Jesus
Menyhard1 1 month ago
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"I will never be ashame of you Jesus"
You should be: he's the guy who ordered the murder of hundreds of innocent children, he's the guy who by his own hand, brutally and horribly murdered millions of innocents for crimes they didn't commit. He's the guy who lets perfectly good people be tortured for eternity, for the simple crime they didn't worship his ego.
I'd say not only is he shameful, he's downright immoral.
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
ADOREI!!!
ludsonfonseca 1 month ago
Yeah this is the one we're singing in our Service Hillsong Rocks yeah GOD we love you!!
mheljo88 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature really? are you trolling? I agree with @Freak4Life30. What's wrong with you? And just so the spanish inquisition was maybe 300 or 400 years ago! You actually expect the middle ages to be the same as now? They may be alike but they were more fierce believers. They believed that if you didn't believe in God, you didn't deserve to live and a disgrace.
neopets97 1 month ago
@neopets97
"You actually expect the middle ages to be the same //?"
not at all - but apparently christians think a philosophy created in the bronze age is valid now. By comparison, the dark ages is blink of an eye..
so which is it guy? Do you want to appeal to a bronze age philosophy, and then tell me that I can't point out the historically proven facts that your religion incriminates people?
I don't need to go back to 1600 to show christians murder to enforce their unprovable god.
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature still waiting on you to validate you claim. Who are these noble prize winning physicists that agree with you? What's that? None of them do. That is what I thought.
Freak4Life30 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature You need to read the bible. And I mean read it. Then you will understand. You think that not reading the bible and just making judgements will stand in a debate about God? No. It wont. Because u dont understand what you argue about. If you actually read the bible you will find that there are princeples that can be used even today. Also, do not blame God or the bible for the crimes of man. Man has twisted the truth in the bible for its own gain.
bboybreathless 1 month ago in playlist Worship
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"You need to read the bible. And I mean read it. Then you will understand"
strange, because this is exactly what I say to theists. But I add the caveat: you have to THINK about it too - clearly, you need to do that.
I choked on the parts where your god slaughters the entire of his creation (save a handful), beacause he was so disgusted them (apparently their behaviour came as a surprise to this all-knowing god).
Many biblical principles are OLDER than the bible.
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature, what's wrong with you??!! If you have that sort of commends, than why are you listening this??
Cosmstack 2 months ago
@Cosmstack
I'm not listening to it.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
whats the name of the main singer?
ZixacunX 2 months ago
I hope that they will have a concert in the PHILIPPINES..,
rockabataan 2 months ago
Love the song by the way, we always sing it our youth convention, makes us all jump and really helps us to not be ashamed of god. I WILL NEVER BE ASHAMED OF YOU! Maybe you guys that are fighting should actually listen to the song :) it might calm you or touch you. "I Believe" is also a great song.
MVsmiles4you 2 months ago
In conclusion, my main point is that God loves every single person on this planet, and we should love them as well. And at @TheRealityofNature I'm sorry you feel that way. But I do hope you can find the love that God has for you. I have been so lucky to have God in my life at a young age. I do have struggles, but I know God will always be with me ready to help. Prayer is power and I hope everyone can get what I'm saying. Go and pray for people who upset, don't hate them. Show them love like God.
MVsmiles4you 2 months ago
Whether it would be to talk about god with an unsaved friend, or writing a comment of love. I will say some Christians choose to hate gays and other religions, but that shows that they strayed away from the right path. I as well as most Christians choose to LOVE rather then hate. As it is said "LOVE THE SINNER, HATE THE SIN." I don't agree with being gay, for god made Eve for Adam, not Steve for Adam. But I will not be any more loving to them as to a straight person.-
MVsmiles4you 2 months ago
Most important, we should be praying for them. God loves all his children and it pains him to see them heading in the wrong direction. Don't forget the Great Commission, Mathew 28: 19-20 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." That is what we are called to do.-
MVsmiles4you 2 months ago
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"we should be praying for them" - why? do you think your god's plan is wrong?
"I don't agree with being gay" - you don't have to, but it's not ethical to PREVENT them from being what they are.
"God loves every single person on this planet" - and yet, your god lets the VAST majority of them be tortured for eternity... and does nothing at all - just watches.
There's not very much that is intelligent or sensible about your religion - WHY do you believe? what do you get out of it?
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
I really am shocked at what was said by others. More so shocked at what some believers. Not all but some.I made this channel because I was saddened when I read the comments. I may be only 14, but that does not mean I don't know anything. Instead of bashing people, we should be planting seeds, or watering seeds that have been planted already. You don't know what is happening in others life. They might be searching, and are confused on what to believe. We should be sharing the wonders of God. -
MVsmiles4you 2 months ago
Inspirational....kisses from Brazil!
XWIKAX 3 months ago
o lord sorry for my sins sorry ilove you jesus christ
friends7000 3 months ago
This is a awesome song I like all their songs just like with everything it is amazing
Kalebgonzalez13 4 months ago
these guys ever play around denver in 89-90?
54taqiyya 4 months ago
loveeee this song one of my fav
jesusfollower21 4 months ago
33 people can't TAKE God.
=)
potsky013 4 months ago
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@potsky013
33 people know that you can't PROVE god..
hehe.
all you have a BIG pile of logical fallacies!
TheRealityofNature 4 months ago
@TheRealityofNature ybecause we live by faith and not by sight say what you want everyone knows you just want attention maybey you just need it or just want it but go and grow up
abbrown38 2 months ago
@abbrown38
"ybecause we live by faith and not by sight"
So you take greedily the fruits of logic and reason with one hand, and hastily reject that same logic and reason, when it points our your philosophy is a lie?
hypocrisy, it seems, is not a sin to christians...
I don't need attention guy, I need to point out the damage your religion does to the potential of humanity - it imposes bigotry, limits freedom of thought, rejects logic and reason. If I wanted attention, I wouldn't be anonymous.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature what damage are we doing to you are anyone lol we are just worshiping our Lord now tell me how that damages anything and i like how you trying to get all smart on me when iam a 15 year old and your like 30 and we give people freedom we dont force people to join christanity we let if the want to and really if you hate God and us why do you come here listen to the video and talk crap to everyone
abbrown38 2 months ago
@abbrown38
Firstly, religion destroys human innovation - history proves this. While the term "the dark ages" is not used by historians any more, it certainly has relevant connotations: an era dominated by religious paranoia, disease, young people being burned alive because of ignorant superstition, scientists also burned alive or ostracized.
In the modern era, we have divinely-excused homophobia (proposition 8), teaching of rejection of logic & critical thinking ("intelligent design"), etc.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature some of the things you say are ture but you are talking about other religions and not ours sure christainty was bad at first but not know we dont kill people who dont belive in God and you just need to calm down no one realy cares what you say we both see things diffrent and so if you dont belive in God or any other religion were do you think you soul will go when you die
abbrown38 2 months ago
@abbrown38
"we dont kill people who dont belive in God"
sure you do, and in fact, your bible recommends that homosexuals be killed. levetius 20:13. so either you haven't read your bible, or you're lying.
lying, in case you don't know, is a sin.
In any case, christianity does ALL the things I mentoined previously, I even gave you examples of them - like any theist, you ignore the facts when presented to you - which is why the world laughs at theists.
TheRealityofNature 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature the world laughs at theists ok nand i laugh at you you say all this crap about God but yet you read the Bible and your right i dont read the Bible and thanks fore beaing a smart ass i know lying is a sin lol well if what you say is true prove it find a video or something of a christian killing another man you wont find one and if you do show me and we can keep bitchen at each other
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@TheRealityofNature i know about what we have done in the past and you right about that but we dont kill or touture people know do we i dont think so and i know more than you think about my God lol
abbrown38 2 months ago
@TheRealityofNature you just love being a troll don't you. You actually spend countless hours every day trolling and it accomplishes nothing. You sir, are pathetic.
Freak4Life30 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature I can only say "God bless you"
I hope you see the truth one day.
I seriously have been a sinner lately, I think this song is bringing back to a true life. One that I love and should live. I really am far from god. I've started watching porn, hitting on girls, cursing a LOT, and treating girls like slaves. I wish my life was the opposite of what it is now. I'm 13 so this is very embarassing to confess. So I'm confessing here. I have let you down, God.
CourseTB 1 month ago
@CourseTB
"I hope you see the truth one day."
me too. I really do - are you able to prove the "truth" to me logically, or even intelligently?
Why do you need a god to distinguish right from wrong? more to the point, why would you use a god who murders innocent children for the crimes of their parents? why would you use a god who allows his own "loved" creations be tortured for eternity?
Why use a god that nonchalantly allows innocent people to die horribly from diseases he created?
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature LOL, you can't even validate your own claims.
Freak4Life30 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature No one can experience the truth unless they allow God into their life and make an effort to believe. Some may have to see miracles to believe that there is a God. Other's have seen good deeds being done to them time and time again and seek God, wondering why Christians believ what they believe.
I think we do need God to show us what is right, look at the world today, people are trying to rule their own lives and look at where its got them.
bboybreathless 1 month ago in playlist Worship
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"No one can experience the truth unless they allow God into their life and make an effort to believe"
you've made a fundamental misunderstanding of the words you use.
If something is demonstrated to be "truth", then "belief" is irrelevant. I can believe the sky is orange all I like - the TRUTH is that it's blue, and we can prove it.
You can't prove a single thing about your god - you DON'T KNOW - therefore, you can't claim anything to be "truth". capesh?
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature What does a parent do if he/she sees him about to walk off a cliff despite trying to tell it not to? He pulls it back and then disciplines it for not listening - thats what God did in the old testament, thats one reason for the Law of Moses. Parents that love their children will discipline them because thats the best thing for them. Also, God is Holy and coannot be with anything bad/sinful - which is why anything bad/sinful must burn.
bboybreathless 1 month ago in playlist Worship
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"What does a parent do..."
lol - your parents burn you alive when you refuse to clean your room? haha!. idiot.
"thats what God did in the old testament"
Yes, apparently your all-knowing god god pissy when his creations used the free will he created them with. Apparently your all-knowing god didn't know his creations would behave the way they did.
Like I said kid, when you reads, you gots to thinks.
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature But then funny thing is is that he sent his son Jesus to die for our mistakes. He is literally shouting in our faces for us to choose HIM which leads to LIFE and not the world/the bad stuff wehiich will mean we will be eternally damned. Not only this, but Adam disobeyed God in the begining, which means it was mans fault for not being in paradise anyway.
bboybreathless 1 month ago in playlist Worship
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@bboybreathless
"But then funny thing is is that he sent his son Jesus to die for our mistakes"
the funnier thing is that JC is actually god - so, you see a god fake his own death, and pretend that's a miracle, or even a sacrifice.
The problem is guy, you're not even thinking about the bible, you just read the words. You're required to consider them intelligently before you open your mouth and babble illogical froth. okay?
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
i like how the people fighting for faith are using the only source the anti-theist won't accept as reliable. honestly, apologists these days....
TheTellarium 4 months ago
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@TheTellarium
"the only source the anti-theist won't accept as reliable"
actually, any person who understands & uses logic also won't accept it as reliable. Theism, by definition, is illogical.
TheRealityofNature 4 months ago
I LOVE THIS SONG!!!!!!
mohase 4 months ago
What?? Don't tell me this ain't over yet?
C'mon you're spoiling the song!!
oOCLRodOo 4 months ago
@oOCLRodOo What do you mean?
ExtremeFaithInJesus 4 months ago
me encanta esta cancion!!!!
mayra20aby 5 months ago
don't bother going here if you're only gonna say bad things about Christians and our FAITH... you chose your path and we chose to be with our God...
Mscuteme22 5 months ago in playlist wla lng...
@TheRealityofNature
I pity you
Your life is as meaningless as meaningless as how you argue in these kinds of matters
you had came to this world without the right path, and the path you chose is darkness
I'm sorry, but I would advice you to follow the light before it's too late.
PinkRockstar218 5 months ago
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@PinkRockstar218
my life is meaningless? not at all!, my life is delicious!, fantastic!, amazing, incredible. and god-free. no brimstone spewing god peeking over my shoulder with a little black book - pen hovering of the "leave in hell" box.
no god stomping around, incinerating children, drowning them, getting humans to do impossible things like build an ark for both penguins (which weren't heard of, in 3000 bc) and polarbears, both of them having walked 8000 km in a few days.
nice one!
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
Please,. this video is great,
Let us not stain it with arguments..
Sorry for the nuisance that our ignorance caused..
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
Here's an advice to everyone: If you engage in heated (or healthy) theological debates about God and Christianity can you please take it somewhere else? Message eachother instead of continuing long threads that seriously kill the mood for a lot of people that just simply want to go on here to listen to great music and praise God. I certainly had a long, tiring day and I came on here to relax and relieve stress, not see it (as I am sure everyone feels the same way).
josiejss 5 months ago 22
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@josiejss BTW, please thumbs up this comment so everyone can see it!! We need to create an atmosphere worthy of worship, not kill the mood with sour attitudes!
josiejss 5 months ago in playlist Hillsong United
@josiejss As much as I agree with you, I also feel that some people may have questions as well and are too afraid to ask. They may also be questioning their own faith, and I think being able to see the answers directly from the Bible is a help. I think allowing people to come on here and spit on Christianity "kills the mood."
somcko0l 5 months ago
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@somcko0l
I've seen teenagers cut themselves to force themselves to ignore their logic and intuition - to force themselves to "believe" in a god that would otherwise allow them to be tortured for eternity.
You have no right at all to pretend that your religion is "the truth", when you absolutely have no logical grounds to do so. Well - your religion HURTS these people - they want to know their intuition is valid and that it's logical, not that their rationality will end them up being tortured.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@josiejss But I do apologize that our conversation was disruptive.
somcko0l 5 months ago
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oh for goodness sake..
there's THOUSANDS of other god-pandering pages on youtube, and you're not forcing him to read the text. His comment is simply one more way to censor logic and reason, under the pretence of mock-offence.
what a lot of rot. joslejss - if you don't like what you read here - don't read it, or move on. If you can't cope with the reality of reality, you're issues are far bigger than can be solved by attempting to emotionally blackmail me.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@josiejss Here's an advice: Real Simple. Just don't read the comments, or close your eyes & enjoy the music. Isn't that why you accessed the site? Pretty much a no brainer, wouldn't you say?
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somcko0l 5 months ago
....take it all of word of god..I love you lord!!!
PrinceJhonzzkie 5 months ago in playlist hillsong
Oh Lord that guy is hot XP please help me resist temptation...oh Lordy Lordy please! ahh xP. Okay, no, in all seriousness i want a hot, worshipping, respectful man like that. yes i do. amen.
josiejss 5 months ago
Chat closed section please ...
let this idiot speak what you want!
manuelly17 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature I found it interesting that today's verse on BibleGateway goes hand in hand with what we were debating a few days ago: "But, 'Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.' For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.” 2 Corinthians 10:17-18 NIV
somcko0l 5 months ago
Is this guy american ? He has a weird accent
ChrisTiNaThEFaMe 5 months ago
@ChrisTiNaThEFaMe
they're all australians
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
AWESOME SONG!!!!!!:)
Asian4Chics 5 months ago
it is one of the best song id ever ever heard
leonianprince01 5 months ago
i looove this song! God bless y'all! :D
LetiShaxP 5 months ago
just enjoy the song for goodness' sake!!
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
lovin' this song !!!
LBJ252 5 months ago
i love this song!!owohohoh!!
lovemusicanddancing7 5 months ago
How about everyone shuts up about their stupid arguments and just listen to the song or get out?!
RichardJDuncan 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Why must you get so worked up over this? If you think I am wasting my life, then let me go ahead and do that. In my heart, I know I have not wasted anything by praising and worshipping the God I know made me. He has in no way "terrified" me into submission. I actually enjoy doing God's work. It's hard trying to be humble and love the unloved, but I have seen so many lives be touched from God working through me.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
worked up?
What dissapoints me is that people have to invoke the fallacy, the myth, the delusion, before they feel like they can "touch people" - why? why can't you do it on your own merits? well? ---- you can!.
why do you think YOU were incapable of getting to where you are now, without your god? --- YOU did it!
why invoke a horrific god to excuse and diminish your own accomplishments?
worse - why invoke satan to try to squash logical thought? <- THAT is actually disgusting!
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Ahahaha ahahahaaaaaa!! I will squeeze your little head until all the evil filth squirts out, like puss from a pimple. Then I will take your mother in my van & keep her in my cellar. My cousins & I will mount her over & over until we tire of her filthy vagina. Then we will dispose of her by selling her body to a Chinese restaurant, & your family will have the honor of her being featured on the menu under chicken dishes.
JabbarMustafa 5 months ago
@JabbarMustafa
So I looked up a liitle about muslims and violence - apparently muslims are amongst the USA's mot pacifistic population (go look that word up) - they are the most peaceful in the usa. They don't subscribe to violence, or retribution - I learned all this from the gallup polls, you can find it to.
So - you're a fraud!
enjoy!
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature The muslims comment you mention of is true. A lot of muslims actually don't do anything out of the ordinary from other Americans. However, one goal of radical Islam is to wipe out Christians. That is what is happening in the Middle East and one reason why they are so set on destroying a nation built upon Christian values.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
funny, because one of the goals of radical chrisitans is also to wipe out islam.
the fact remains, muslims in the usa are far, far more pacifist and peaceful than any other philosophy, and guess which comes second? atheism.
Christians are waaaaaaaay down the list.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature I'm not going to lie and say there's no radical Christians who kill people because of their opposition. I was simply stating that your comment on muslims was generalized. I don't understand why you feel you must have the last word and create a fuss. This is a Christian video, not a debating message board. If you have sincere questions, please do us a favor-message the user. But this is YouTube and you have rights, so you can obviously do what you want. It's just a suggestion.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
It was clear that you were misrepresenting islam in your comment. you were focusing on some muslims. Given the similarly-violent nature of christiantiy, and the intolerance it perpetuates, I felt this was disingenuous. Your comment is 100% appropriate for some christians too.
It was clear to me, the log was in your eye. not mine.
I don't believe jabbarmustafa is anything more than a troll anyhow.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@somcko0l
the middle east is built on chrisitan values??
or do you think the usa is, and you think islam is trying to destroy the usa?
and here folks, we see what religion does to people "my religion is better than yours, you're trying to wipe out my values.. waaah".
firstly - no. secondly. no. thirdly, usa was FOUNDED on secular values. your forefathers had no intention of any particular religion "build" there - psst, that's why they mandated the separation of church and state.....
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Your country is becoming full of Muslims. We like to shit on your sidewalks. We work at your fast food restaurants & spit in the drinks we serve you, & empty our noses on your food when we make it. Ahahahahaaa!!!! Praise Allah!!!!
JabbarMustafa 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
let me butt in again..
Wouldn't it be just nice if we all keep our beliefs to ourselves? Arguing like this only shows how ignorant, and foolish we are...
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@oOCLRodOo
sure agreed - google proposition 8
when you're done, google "intelligent design being taught in schools".
then "god hates fags"
and so on...
you can believe what you want - I don't care, but the minute theists start imposing, by law, their arbitrary and unprovable myth - there'll be an issue.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
Is it that hard to walk away unmindful of what the others are saying? If you would react to every answer you get from the people here then this insolent arguments won't stop,.. this is a place FOR CHRISTIANS. If you are not a christian just leave already..
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@oOCLRodOo
lol.. you think proposition 8 is something that can be ignored?
my droog. proposition 8 was a direct imposition of your god's laws on humanity. THAT is immoral.
It's also illegal.
to sit there and pretend you're okay with religious laws being imposed makes you a complete liar.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
do you even know the meaning of the word RESPECT??? Is it in your vocabulary?
Get a life!! For goodness sake! You have not delved deeper to what Christianity really teaches... You are an instrument of the devil yet you are unaware of it.. And Christianity does not want to wipe out Islam. That is a false statement.... You are the one blinded by the your thoughts and beliefs... Do not force your ideas on us co'z we don't want em..
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@oOCLRodOo
Respect is earned. All you've managed to do is demonstrate how little you know, and how unprepared you are to find out. I didn't say it was a goal of christianity, I said it was a goal of RADICAL christians. Worshipping other gods is a sin - so wipe em out - or did you forget why the crusades/spanish inquisition/witch burnings happen?
The murderous intent of your religion in the context of intolerances is clear, for example, leveticus 20:13.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
and who are you to belittle us? Do you think that by doing this you earn respect?
NO!!!
Can't you see what your doing is hopeless? And I guess you too should use your mind..
The crusades? the burnings? Back then there were no firm governments, there is no freedom, they only follow what the king/governor/authority says..
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@oOCLRodOo
I'm not focusing on your respect, I'm pointing out you violate your own principals, and expect people to be okay with that.
Your religion is intrinsically bigoted. It's actually the entire point. It worships a religious bigot, who will let you be tortured if you worship anything else. he advocates murder of homosexuals on the grounds it's an "abomination". Those are both the definition of Bigotry.
The intolerances of your religion are PROVEN by history. it is unquestionable.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Are you getting your facts from experience with Christians or from the Bible itself? "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 This passage explains that Christians, although we are to follow God's Word and behave in a holy manner, are only human and will continue to sin despite our best attempts. You call our religion bigotted and all other kinds of slander, but on what are you basing your judgments?
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
both from the bible and from experience.
as i said, leveticus 20:13 tells you that homosexuals should be murdered - sorrry mate, that's immoral.
The entire ethos of your religion is that people who don't follow it will be tortured for eternity. .. or some slightly diffrent permutation, depending on how hard you contrive what the bible says... either way, it's complete bigotry.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Leviticus is a book in the Bible where God listed all kinds of rules that they were to live by to be pure. It was to prove that no human could fulfill all the requirements and be perfect, until Jesus. While the Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin, the New Covenant has been made and we are, in effect, told to love the sinner and hate the sin. We are not told to murder homosexuals. We should not condone the sin, but we should also not condemn the sinner.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
I see. So you have a bible, half of which you're told to ignore.
Conveniently, this is the half where the horrors of your god are exposed.
So why do you have the OT at all?
Omnipresence doesn't really work like this. - time is irrelevant; a god that is a barbaric horror in the OT is always a horror. Time makes no difference: an omnipresent god could travel trhough time as easily as you can walk left or right. Ergo, the crminal god in the OT is identical to the god you worship now.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@somcko0l We are not to ignore the Old Testament. It is a blueprint for Christ's coming. It is a blueprint for the New Testament. And it is a blueprint for our Christian walks. In the Old Testament, God was unable to be reached except through those He chose, like Moses. When Jesus was crucified, the veil was torn and now we all have access to God and are called to have a relationship with Him. Not out of fear, but out of love.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
"We are not to ignore the Old Testament"
Oh I see, you're told to heed the OT then?
Which is it?
You're called to have a relationship - not out of fear...
but of course, if you don't accept that call, you're tortured for eternity.. but not out of fear .. right?
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature The Old Testament tells the prophecies that lead up to Jesus and the End Times. We are not to ignore it. Jesus's death fulfilled all the prophecies and created a New Covenant. Without the Old Testament, we wouldn't know the extent to how significant Jesus's death is. You can't focus solely on the New Testament if you want to know all about God and His awesome power. It's like living life now without taking into account the history of the U.S. and why we are where we are today
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
whoa. too many points in that post I want to bring up, but staying on target for now.
It's interesting, the entire of the OT is junked, but held on for historical value. But you don't actually get to find out about this until the NT - fine okay, perhaps prefaces weren't invented in 200 AD.
So, let's flesh this out properly - since we're talking about leveticus
homosexuality is okay? or is this a law that god made, then declared was okay, but then hastily said was back to being a law?
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature God never declared it was okay. But instead of being brutally punished for it, now when we sin we are to seek forgiveness from Him. This is done because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ when He died for our sins so we may have a chance at eternal life with Him. Where does the Bible say it's okay?
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
I have to admit, now I'm confused.
Leveticus 18:22 and 20:13 are god's laws in the OT - I thought you had explained that the new covenant nullified that law, but now I see you didn't.
so - we have to backtrack I'm afraid. all the way back.
youre told to NOT murder HSals - where?
apparently, HSity, however, is immoral, and HSals will be tortured for eternity unless they decide that it's their fault your god made them the way they are, and have to apologize for it.
is that right now?
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature A sin is still a sin. Homosexuality is stated in the book of Leviticus as such. However, the same punishment for that sin does not apply in today's world. God will judge the hearts of all sinners, and based on that judgment, some people will go to Hell and some to Heaven. If a homosexual continues to live in sin (much like a liar or a thief) and does nothing to change that, then God will deal with them. I honestly dunno if they will go to Hell. That's not my call.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
"I honestly dunno if they will go to Hell. That's not my call"
okay, let's test your a) ability to think for yourself and b) your morals and ethics as they compare to modern day society.
Do you think homosexuals deserve to be tortured for eternity?
Do you think homosexuals are even merely doing something bad?
Actually, out of all questions I want you to answer, these are the most important. And yes, I'm going to get you to logically validate your answers, so choose them carefully.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature I think we all deserve to be tortured for eternity. We are all sinners, and God is so holy we would die in His presence if we were not made righteous through His sacrifice. I think homosexuals who act on their sexual desires for the same gender are sinning, yes. Just like any other sin that is acted out. I understand you were not talking about judgment, but you are not understanding that the Old Testament laws have been fulfilled and now we have Christ who is the law.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
"I think we all deserve to be tortured for eternity"
so why aren't you torturing us?
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Hebrews 8:10 says "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people." And verses 12-13 "'For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.' By calling this covenant 'new,' he has made the first one obsolete, and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear."
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
and THAT is a resounding failure.
I tested your ability to think for yourself. instead of giving me your own, balanced, reasoned opinion, you vomited scripture all over my screen.
You are a puppet. A sad mockery of a freely-thinking human. You've failed to even consider the merits, or failures of your religion from an objective, or even rational context. You've got on your bended knees, opened your mouth, and unquestioningly swallowed the biblical foam poured into your eager mouth.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature I live by the Word of the Lord. Of course I'm going to back up my opinions with scripture, because my opinions are based on scripture. The Word is truth, and I stand by it. We are born into sin, my flesh wants things that contradict what my spirit wants. When I think and act from the flesh, I sin and go against what the Lord wants. When I think and act from my spirit, which is now one with the Holy Spirit, I do what is righteous. That is why I "vomited scripture."
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
"because my opinions are based on scripture"
Oh I entirely understand. your life is not yours at all. you don't actually exist. you consume resources & exist only to disseminate your particular brand of lazy thinking, poor logic & outright lies.
"The Word is truth, and I stand by it."
okay, prove it.
"We are born into sin"
fail - YOU think you are born into sin, until you prove it, you're lying.
You are not a man, you are a puppet. a mindless drone without a thought.
pathetic.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
okay, I've had enough of this.
If you are that all-knowing, why don't you share your ideas to people who would appreciate them. I certainly do not appreciate your ideas as you don't appreciate mine.
I too had doubts before, but still here I am. Stronger in my faith..
I really pity you... You try so hard to discourage us. Discouragement is the devil's favorite weapon.
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@oOCLRodOo
"You try so hard to discourage us."
fail. - I know your mind is too closed & bigoted for change. It's not you that is to be changed, it's the marginal kids who read these pages to find the inadequate, incomplete, illogical and nonsensical arguments you contrive to protect your bigoted god.
"...Discouragement is the devil's favorite weapon."..
so it looks like your assertion fell on it's face.
"Stronger in my faith.."
I'll simply remind you that by definition, faith is illogical.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
Nice! Very nice!
Can't you see that I was already putting this nonsense into closure?
It is you who should shut up!.. Why do you burden yourself with this???
There is no need to reason with you! Your like an old lady suffering from senile dementia..
So what if we believe in God?! just because we believe in Him means you could belittle us and insult us in every ways possible?
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
And I am telling you and your narrow mind that the homosexual thing was part of the law,.. Nowadays Christians DO NOT LIVE by the law. If we are still living by the law, we would not eat pork and other meats, nor converse with people like you,. So if by any chance your ideas were genuine,( and I am not saying it is) well hurray for you.. But I am telling you this,, we ENJOY our belief!
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@oOCLRodOo
lol - your choice to write here is yours. not mine. I am NOT forcing you.
I don't want to strip you of your fantasy as such, I want to strip the world of the burden of having to support and nurture people who abuse and destroy the tenets of logic and reason. AND bigotry!, and I'm sorry mate, but to pretend many/most chrisitans don't use your religion to justify homophobia is ignorant and naive in the extreme.
Oh I'm sure there'll always be a handul of religious nuts.. a handful.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature ooh, an attack on Christian homophobia!!! While Romans 1: 24-31, it tells of how God, in seeing how people have turned against them, allowed them too. It actually specifically cites gayness as one of these ways people turn against God. But, also in Christianity, we are taught we should treat all sins as equal. It makes sense, but in a way contradictory to human logic. it's weird. Also, what's so bad about Christianity anyways? What's it ever done to you?
TheTellarium 5 months ago
@TheTellarium
you mean apart from justifying bigotry, limiting free thought, diminishing or eliminating logic, demonising the science that keeps your ass on the internet, fed and warm/cool, teaching kids to ignore evidence and reject critical thinking?
But let's stick with the bigotry for now - that's easier.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature uh... where's it do that? Tell me, where in my doctrine does it say I promote and endorse bigotry?
TheTellarium 5 months ago
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@TheTellarium
oh.. my mistake, do you think homosexuality is okay? not a sin?
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature whatever. this world will pass away and you will be judged by God. GAY STRAIGHT BLACK WHITE IT DOESNT MATTER DUDE, BELIEVER AND ATHEIST WILL KNOW GOD LIVES.
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@CapricousCapricorn1
lol - if you insist mate. but you've not no logical right nor reason to say so.
I'm pretty sure I live my life reasonably sensibly - compassionately when necessary, happy, sad, angry - all controlled by the hormones your god gave me, and the events I'm exposed to by the society and world, also a creation by your god.
if your god wants to let me be tortured for living as well as I'm able - then that makes a for a pretty stupid god, doesn't it?
Even mahatma ghandi burns!
TheRealityofNature 4 months ago
@CapricousCapricorn1 Amen to the truth you speak god bless
jesusfollower21 4 months ago 8
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@jesusfollower21
"Amen to the truth you speak god bless"
can I ask - how have you proven to yourself that your god really does exist?
do you know the number of logical fallacies that you're invoking?
have you even considered the logical aspect? - why not?
TheRealityofNature 4 months ago
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@jesusfollower21
"Amen to the truth you speak god bless"
can I ask - how have you proven to yourself that your god really does exist?
do you know the number of logical fallacies that you're invoking?
have you even considered the logical aspect? - why not?
TheRealityofNature 4 months ago
but the believer will get to go to gods kingdom
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@bilmik1
"but the believer will get to go to gods kingdom"
Yes. but the cost is you abandon justice, morality, logic, commonsense and reason.
I value those things above all. unlike yourself. Abandoning those is, in my view, such a violation of all that humanity has achieved.. and could achieve, it's a crime, a sin more ghastly than any of the commandments your god laid out.
I'd rather be tortured for eternity than deny those virtues, and all they do for you, me, and everyone else.
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@CapricousCapricorn1 this is true... i have a saying: theres no atheists in hell.. so why waste ur time here on this earth doing anything but trying to make it a better place?
thepurenrg 1 month ago
@thepurenrg
I have a saying too - there's noone stupid, and noone nasty in hell.
why? because there is not one single thing that is intelligent about your religion. not one.
This is the reason gallup polls show religiosity and education are INVERSELY correlated - the more poor your education, the more likely you are to be theist.
Nasty people are those who think it's moral to let good people be tortured for eternity - exactly as you and your god do. go figure!
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature Still wating on you to validate your nobel prize winning claim. You can keep trying to dodge this question, but nobody will take you seriously until you either admit that you don't have any or renounce your claim.
Freak4Life30 1 month ago
@Freak4Life30
which claim freaky?
you can't show me when and where I made it, and we know you love to make up what people say.
why are you trolling me on so many different sites, where I have to give you exactly the same answer?
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature Your claim about the nobel prize winners that I've been asking you to support for a month now. I already reminded you of where you made the claim. So now, you need to either support it for once, or renounce it. The fact that you avoid supporting it speaks volumes - you know you can't! This is a great victory, thanks for playing! You lose.
Freak4Life30 1 month ago
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@Freak4Life30
"I already reminded you of where you made the claim"
so produce it freaky!
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature The better question is why are you trolling into a bunch of hillsong videos just to annoy believers? I actually enjoy the songs, you just live to troll. You just make a bunch of comments you can't support. That is why nobody takes your trolling seriously.
Freak4Life30 1 month ago
@Freak4Life30
lol - and now you try to change the subject to cover up the fact you can't support your claim.
poor freaky
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature LOL, actually that is what you have been doing for a month now. We are still waiting on you to validate your nobel prize winners claim.
Freak4Life30 1 month ago
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@Freak4Life30
"We are still waiting on you to validate your nobel prize winners claim."
isn't he great folks? the best part is , he thinks he's not a troll.
Freaky:""We are still waiting on you to validate your nobel prize winners claim.""
me: "write down what you claim I've said"
Freaky:""We are still waiting on you to validate your nobel prize winners claim.""
me: "you have to write down what you claim I've said guy"
This folks, is known as trolling
TheRealityofNature 1 month ago
@TheRealityofNature
Do you really want to strip us of the things we ENJOY? Do you even know what that word means?!
now let us move to the subject of Faith.. Faith is trust, hope and belief in the goodness, trustworthiness or reliability of a person, concept or entity. It is NOT BASED ON PROOF!
So for short, it is felt, part of an emotion.. It is like you with your belief.. You think you know your belief is right because you have faith in it.. Get what I mean?
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@somcko0l
"You are not a man, you are a puppet.."
lol - let me correct this point - you are not a human - you are a puppet. but the rest of my points are still valid.
you simply don't exist in any practical sense of the word.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature Philippians 4:20 "But our citizenship is in heaven." and Acts 18:28 "For in him we live and move and have our being." So while I physically exist and am confined to this body, I strive to think and act in the spirit. A puppet? Nope. I have the freedom to choose whether or not to follow Jesus. A puppet has no option. In John 7:17 it says, "And if anyone chooses to do God's will," which implies what? A choice.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
let me change tack. Since it's impossible to get you to think for yourself, and you seem to consider a regurgitation of contrived rubbish constitutes a valid argument, how about you address a slightly different topic:
Your entire existence, as a puppet, is contingent on the existence of your puppet master. So - I want to know - how have you proven the existence of your god to yourself?
have you used any facts? any information? any falsifiable test? Have you used any logic?
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature When I was a young Christian, I had "thrown out a fleece" to ask God to show Himself to me. Now that my faith is stronger, I don't need to test his existence. I have the Bible as my facts and information. My logic is based on personal experience & encounters. When getting prayer from my pastor at church, he revealed information God gave him about myself that I had not told anyone. If you are honestly curious, why don't you ask God to reveal Himself to you? What will you lose?
somcko0l 5 months ago
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@somcko0l
I see, so you tested your god once, when you were young, and this is enough?
personally, given the magnitude of the whole assumption, I'd require your god to prove himself on a weekly basis.
your logic is based on personal experience - I'd be interested in hearing some of this logic.
telling people things about themselves is rather trivial really - of course, its an art and some people make an excellent living out of it.
I already tested & have an answer from your god - he failed.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
And for your information, we went to a proper educational institute. We learned the things you learned, were taught the ideas you follow. We learned about evolution, the theories that follow it, about the chromosomes, the genetics and all sorts. We just don't follow tradition, we follow what our mind dictates us. We follow our understanding. People have different understandings on things. So you have no right to belittle us..
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@oOCLRodOo
"People have different understandings on things. So you have no right to belittle us.."
It's a little more than ironic that this statement comes from someone who worships a god that a) considers anyone who fails to worship him as burnable trash. b) advocates that homosexuals should be murdered c) makes no distinction between innocent and sinful - and that's a subselection of the innumerable horrors.
If you don't like questions on the influence of your ideas - keep your mouth shut.
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
Having this kind of conversation with you proves only how shallow we are... How shameful, I've had enough.
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@oOCLRodOo
lol - not at all, the quality and substance of your answers serves a very important purpose for the future good of humanity - that were there IS no religin, and people dont have to make the nonsensical excuses you feel like you need to make.
enjoy!
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
Sorry to say this,. religion has always been a part of the world and it always will be. So you could kiss that future good bye..
ciao..
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
And I will definitely enjoy..
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
Doing this shows how ignorant we are, like children fighting over candy.
You think of us as people who lack understanding and reason, but you don't need to press it on too much. If you truly are educated, show some respect, especially to people who enjoy their beliefs... This debate is becoming such a nuisance. We could argue on till our mind runs dry, but nothing could be formed from this. You are firm with your ideas such as I with mine.
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
@oOCLRodOo
"If you truly are educated, show some respect, especially to people who enjoy their beliefs"
I'm not trying to change your mind - you are my straight man, my pie-in-the-face-guy.
I asked you to tell me how you proved your god to yourself. I don't see why this is a contentious or disrespectful question.
My ideas are shaped by fact and reason. They have to be plastic. the typical theist, on the other hand, rigidly adheres to the illogical doctrine.
so - will you answer my question?
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature We are given the choice to live our lives however we wish, or we can pick up our cross and follow Jesus. Romans 1:24 says "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another." and 1:26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts..In the same way men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." The choice is ours, the judgment is His.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@somcko0l
lol - I'm not talking about judgement. You can tell the difference right?
so again, I'll ask you - where in the bible does it say that you are not to murder HSls?
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature ..or wherever you might be from.
somcko0l 5 months ago
@TheRealityofNature
well you haven't been studying enough.. Leviticus is a part of the Old Testament, thus making it part of the "LAW". When Jesus died on the cross, we were made free of the law and act by our own free will. You focus too much on the Old Testament, it is the important HALF of the BIBLE, try reading the New Testament and find fault there.. And you are deeply emphasizing homosexuality,, so don't get me wrong, this is not a rhetorical question, but are you a homosexual?
oOCLRodOo 5 months ago
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@oOCLRodOo
"Leviticus is a part of the Old Testament, thus making it part of the "LAW". When Jesus died on the cross, we were made free of the law and act by our own free will"
very well, so why do you have the OT at all then, since you've been told to ignore its messages?
TheRealityofNature 5 months ago