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  • Also, look at the stats. Sweden changed its sex education policy in 1975. absistence and sex within marriage recommendations were dropped in favour of contraception education and a naionwide network of youth clinics. Over the next two decades... sweden saw its teenage birthrate fall by 80%. What does that tell you...its not about practising absistence...its about getting the knowledge to have safer sex

  • Problem: teenage pregnancy and venereal disease...solution...absistenc­e except within marriage OR sex education and safe sex. Well to the absistence campaigners all i can say is...the majority of people who practice absistence tend to end up having sex at some point, but they are less likely to use contraceptives as they are not prepared for an experience they had promised to forego

  • abstinence only sex education = just hold it potty training

  • be realistic just teach kids that sex can lead to kids and if they are ready to have sex wear a rubber until your ready to have a kid

  • Double You Teh Eff?

  • Go figure pro choice wants to protect rapist and murders.

  • @psp420bam Your bias is showing. Please put it away, try to make sense, and don't make generalizations. Thanks.

  • Isa 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said [to be] bountiful.

    Isa 32:6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

  • God was and is always RIGHT!!! NO SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE, monitor your children, be the example and educate them on both spectrum's of purity and the cause and effect of sexually impurity. Talk to people with STD's, if they had somebody to be an example and perhaps some biblical backing, they would get it.

  • @ViviannaluvsJesus What about GLBT people, some of whom can't get married? What happens to them? Monitoring your children is good, but you can't monitor them all the time. Teach them about the advantages/disadvantages of abstinence. Teach them what STDs are. Teach them how to protect themselves. Teach them how not to give in to peer pressure. By the way, most people (even in the early 1900's) end up having sex before marriage. Consider reality and don't browbeat your kids. Education is the key.

  • Fan01 ... My comments are a few pages down, its there.

  • I definitely think teenagers should be educated about how to take care of themselvs in a sexual situation. Teenagers are going to experiment, and it's better they know what they're doing and how to do it safetly than to walk out hurt with an STD or pregnant. But on that note, I don't think it should be assumed that every teenager or young adult is sexually active. The sexual health course I took in highschool didn't even mention abstinence as an option, and the teacher ridiculed people who did.

  • @moonishlips So really we should implement a holistic Sex Ed program and give way for students to expose Teacher who abuse their positions. Don’t assume everyone will have sex, go with the findings where most will do it so give all options with unbiased information

  • @NightHawkBomber001 I think it'd work better to cover all bases just in case, than to refuse to acknoweldge one sphere (abstinence,) or another (sexual activity,) and teach only one thing. Unbiased it the way to go with teens. If you sound like you're condoning or mocking them, most won't listen. Teachers should be trained sexual health professionals who know what they're doing and are willing to consider all fronts.

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  • I was watching a Christian organization talk to teens about staying sexually pure until marriage, and one of the statistics that they used 3 or 4 times was "If you have natural (unprotected) sex with a man consistently for a year, there is a 95% chance that you'll get pregnant".

    ......Well, no shit! If everyone walked into the middle of a highway with COMPLETE disregard for safety, then I bet we'd get rid of 95% of the idiots in the world, too

  • @trygreatmusic2 Are you serious? This shit truly floors me because even I can understand the importance of comprehensive sex ed and I'm ASEXUAL, which means I just naturally don't desire sex. These abstinence only folks are doing a disservice to all children. They are putting their safety/health at risk because they are in denial about human sexuality.

  • Abstinence teens are 4 times as likely to take it up the ass and 6 times more likely to gag on it. Fuck i love abstinence, anal with high school girls there is nothing better...

    LOL, abstinence is epic fail

  • Dan, you do know that about 25% of High School kids lie on polls for fun, right?

  • it's great you're raising awareness around this kind of stuff - i'm a health promoter for sexual health and sometimes it feels likes an uphill battle! keep doing what you're doing :)

  • Dan, YOU ARE NOT GAY!! There is no such thing!! Stop fooling yourself and others!!

  • its funny cause theyre stupid

  • When I was in high school, this guy would always worry about drinking MT Dew because he thought that MT Dew makes guys nuts shrink

  • Teenagers are stupid. I'm 18 and I can see all my peers (myself included) have no idea what they're doing, especially when emotions enter into the picture. Teenagers find something they like and then they go overboard. They need to know the consequences of sex, but they also need to understand that they are REALLY going to enjoy it, if they do it properly. Just a sidenote, condoms are reliable and anyone who tells you different is lying or deranged/ brainwashed.

  • scarletteen was how i learned about sex! and i skipped sex ed in middle school. and then I knew more than everyone else did in high school

  • I would be fooled by these lies too, but my

    username, says it all. Now your depressed.

  • Think i'll allow the movies, culture or crowd to trick or deceive me? How about you? Who is deceiving or tricking you? Is it the movies, music, friends, sleaze sites (the leaders of lewdness websites) a boy fiend? Ladies, the truth is, if you ever become the "victim" of a life long, no cure - STD was the frog worth it? Or should you wait to marry that special dream prince charming? (Here's a hint, skip the frog, lol).

  • Well, the reason abstinence only is taught is because you can't send a "mixed message". We teach don't drive a car around until you get a license. We don't say "ok, you can drive but as long as you use a seat belt" without first following the standard. And that's what this is really all about - standards. And many people DON'T like that. But think, without standards how much "more chaos" would take place, on top of what we all see - now?
  • Sleeping around has brought millions of

    plagues you see today: abandoned kids,

    record STD's, record regrets, abortions

    everywhere nearing 50 million. If the two

    are sexually apart until marriage would any

    these depressing stats happen? Folks, you

    be the judge of this (just use common sense)

    PLEASE, lol.

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  • Read my comments, in the view all comments. Also, hear Jason's talk to teens "Romance without regrets" from my link. There Jason makes an excellent presentation proving what we already know in our hearts (but won't admit) that abstinence does work. I'm in my 15th year and NO Hiv, Aids, Costly Child support that cuts your check to 99.80 a week. Abstinence works and the girls are signing up, so guys are fighting it, lol.

  • @whotrickedyou <===== American, obviously, because only an American would spread suck boorish tripe. Seriously. lol.

  • @donjaundemichael <--- I told ya, NO AIR HEAD will recieve

    the royal seed to create my heirs. I wont allow the air-head to

    have my kids. Why cant you understand this? Only my lovely

    wife will have the honor of having my kids. NOT AN AIR HEAD, lol!

    So why do they keep trying to (unsuccessfully) deceive or trick

    me into being with air-heads? Understand their are guys like us

    who are very difficult to decieve, or trick. We dont fall easily just

    because they flash womans legs around, got it?

  • @whotrickedyou Dan speaks fact, YOU speak tripe, scapegoating, boorish tripe. Do the research, you know this to be true. American....lol

  • @whotrickedyou

    Yeah abstinence works. Abstinence only sex education doesn't. All comprahensive sex educations include abstinence.

    It's not a matter of deciding if your kids will have sex, but HOW they have sex.

  • @whotrickedyou Most everyone agrees that abstinence works. The problem is that abstinence doesn't work FOR the majority of people. The majority of people will NOT be abstinent, end of story. Hate to break it to you, but a lot of girls are not "signing up" and so that's not the reason people, INCLUDING WOMEN, are fighting abstinence-only education. Abstinence only education does NOT work and it puts children's health and safety at risk. Keep in mind that I say all this as an asexual celibate.

  • @QueenAnime99 humans cant be asexual

  • @frenchfriedfrenchmen I am both human & asexual, so I am living proof that humans can be asexual. Asexuals are a rare bunch, of course, but we do exist. I would highly recommend going to asexuality . org to learn more about asexuality. Some advice: It sounds better to say "I don't believe that humans can be asexual" than to say "Humans can't be asexual." The latter phrase sounds rather rude and dismissive, especially if you say it after someone has disclosed their asexuality. Good day.

  • @QueenAnime99 i dont think you understand what asexuality is

  • @frenchfriedfrenchmen I'm using the definition of asexuality that has to do with human sexuality. Perhaps I should have explained myself better (I usually do but I ran out of space).

  • @QueenAnime99 alright,i looked it up,and i found that some people use asexual to describe celibacy,but you must understand that asexual is also a form a reproduction that humans cannot take part in(budding,regeneration,ect).a­lso,if you say to synonyms in the same sentence but one has a secondary meaning,people will assume the more known definition.

  • @frenchfriedfrenchmen Please see the site that I posted because it's specifically about asexuality. Asexuality and celibacy are not the same thing. Some asexuals, for example, aren't celibate, while some celibates, for example, aren't asexual. That's why I mentioned that I am both asexual & celibate b/c the two things aren't mutually exclusive. I know about the other asexuality & I see what you are saying, but people shouldn't assume & should ask questions first. Good day.

  • if they want sex let them have it. people make such a big deal of virgianity now a days , they dont realiize how much more important knowledge and personal health is.

  • the right wing idiots are the ones causing the problems

  • back when I was in high school I remember once they made a stupid test that asked us stuff like "what is the only safe way to not get an STD", and I wrote "wear a condom" and gave those kind of answers and I was the only one in class who failed the test.

    I was never taught anything by my parents and the sort, it was just using common sense

    Schools are actually un-teaching people

  • Dan Savage has pipes.

  • what would ya do ooh ooh fora tv?

  • i'm a psychology major. tell kids how stds work and how sex works. ENCOURAGE abstinence for kids, but don't make it seem like the only option. when I took sex ed i knew my stuff, sorta. I knew you could get preggo your first time and you can get stds your first time. condoms are 98% effective. I turned out just fine and am preparing to get my master's.

  • Sblxi sex Ed teachers are not telling kids to drink bleach to cure HIV not the ones that teach real sex Ed anyways. You shouldn't teach it unless you know what the REAL facts are and make sure the kids know all the options and STIs when it comes to sex.

  • Omg people they are not saying go out and have sex use your brains. Teaching kids to just not have sex doesn't work. It is proven. They are saying at least let them know everything so they can make informed decisions. It is you that are being ignorant.

  • Realise, of course, that the question was *about* their opinions. If you were looking for actual sexual education... Just avoid America for now.

  • "Stop promoting promiscuity!!! Stop promoting sexual immorality!!!! "

    Ignorance begets ignorance. Stop promoting it.

  • @prolifepinay Studies have shown that teens who go through abstinence-only sex ed are just as likely to have sex as teens who go through sex ed that teaches about birth control. The difference is, the abstinence-only kids are more likely to become pregnant or get STIs.

  • Was is my business of yours?

  • How many partners does it take to make ua skank hoe?

  • How many woman does a man has to sleep with before he's a skank hoe? I think a persons sex life is their business unless they choose to share it. We are not here to judge each other.

  • Why can´t all these religions die....

    The people that believe abstinence actually work are the most stupid people on the planet.

    Most parents can´t make their kids to make their bed. So how in hell is some 40 year old fat fuck that just want to get home to watch Idol going to make kids not having SEX???

    And having sex is built in to our genes, plus teens are bombarded with hormones, it´s not possible.

  • The church have lost it´s power and the number of atheists are growing in the western world.

    Do I belive christianity will disappear, no!! There are always going to exist stupid people, that will believe in talking trees, unicorns, because they are to weak to live their own life.

  • I though we talked about abstinence???

  • Er. Marx and Nietzsche pretty much were the basis for the philosophies for Lenin and Mao. That's like naming "The Monkees" as part of the same musical movement as "The Beatles."

  • well, by your own logic, there are plenty of religions that have existed and are now gone. Think of the druids, of gnostics (not agnostics), ancient egyptians worshiping Ra and Horus, the Sumerian and Babylonian religions worshiping Marduk and Ninhursag; they're all gone. And so it stands to reason that religion might persist, but Christianity specifically will most likely vanish, and I think we are witnessing that right now.

    And, might I add, thank God.

  • It's one thing to challenge youth to wait for a while on sexual activity, but scaring the hell out of them and telling them a condom is a provision for sin is irresponsible! If you want the information that your church won't tell you about premarital sex in the Bible go to the site below.

    tinyurl com/9w5a9f

  • Very true but I think when they come from a background that tells them sex is wrong outside marriage instinct takes a back seat and guilt follows.

  • Yeah, you teach kids about all the risks AND you teach them how to reduce the risks if they choose to have sex. To approach sex education in any other manner is irresponsible.

  • Anyone else think thier postures are weird? Why are they all crossing their legs like this?

  • OK, first of all, mountain dew douches and bleach myths are spread by comprehensive sex ed advocates. maybe 1 or 2 actually believe that, but that's nowhere near the general beliefs of teens.

  • I think sex education for youths should say: "if you dont want to have sex and save yourself for someone, thats ok and there is no chance that you'll get an STI. HOWEVER, we're going to give you this information so you can make an informed decision in regards to your sexuality.

    Knowledge is power.

  • You can get STIs without having sex...

  • true, basically if you wanna stay 100% healthy you might as well lock yourself in a room with filtered air

  • Um... well now you're kind of making it seem like anyone who isn't engaging in sexual intercourse has basically equal probability of getting an STI, and also any other diseases of the same type or seriousness. You did say that there's no chance of getting an STI if one "saves" themselves. You also said it in a way that implies waiting is the right thing to do and what they should do; by the way you presented it and by using words like if you want to "save yourself for someone".

  • ok i was mainly just trying to use PC words to cater for some religious nutjobs.

  • My problem with abstinence education is that it teaches the idea that sex between a married man and woman is the only socially acceptable standard.  It gives a blanket condemnation of all non-heterosexual marital sexual intimacy.

    Promoting the orthodox sexual ideology ("straight married couples only!") belongs in conservative churches, NOT in government-run schools.

  • @ComradeSephiroth

    My problem with abstinence education is that it does more to prevent condom use than it does to prevent sex, which is why when the system was implemented in Texas it caused the state to have the 46th worst teen pregnancy rate in the country.

  • how does abstinence prevent stds, who says the bitch ur gopnna marry wont give u aids

  • The question of whether condoms are 85% or 97% effective is irrelevant. What IS relevant is that, relatively speaking, safe sex education is more effective at preventing STIs than abstinence-only education. Tell yourself what you want, but most studies show that abstinence-only education does not dissuade teens from having sex significantly more than safe sex education. So if they're having sex anyways, either 85% or 97% is a hell of a lot better than 0%.

  • i would like to point out how very nice and sculpted dan's arms are. what a hottie!

  • I know, right? Look at those biceps!

  • i know this is off topic but Dan Savage is so HOT !!!!

  • I'm more open to abstinence as a part of sex ed and push abstinence because it's the best way to avoid all STD's.

  • People these days are so easily manipulated by the immoral mass culture's glorification of sexual perversities, drug use and violence. These people don't understand that "safe" sex is a joke. Condoms are not 97% effective, they are about 85%. Birth control/abortion pills, HPV vaccines are well known to cause health problems; though these sexperts deny such hazards. Further, we live in a culture that pokes fun at those who have morality, dignity, self respect, intelligence and save themselves.

  • Condoms are 97% effective at preventing pregnancy, if used correctly, every time. People who practice safe sex are moral, have dignity, self respect, and intelligence. People who consider dogma before human suffering and well-being are the fools. Shenanigans on being "saved," you big dummy.

  • It used to be said condoms were 97% & many still believe it. By the condom companies' own admission, however, they're about 85% effective. Considering previous errors, even 85% may be high. Just like birth control & the HPV vaccine, we're told they work & have no major adverse effects, yet studies have proven otherwise, especially concerning longterm effects. But we have these "just go have sex" types, like Savage, that are berating abstinence & giving out false information about "safe" sex.

  • Your statistics are a little skewed. You have to take into account that condoms protect against some STD's better than others. Condoms are sometimes only about 50% in protecting from Herpes, and some doctors have questioned whether condoms protect against HPV at all. If they do it is very little. However, when it comes to all other STD's...HIV, Chlamydia, Syphilis, ect...condoms are still 97% effective. The % is brought way down, however, when you add Herpes and HPV to the pile.

  • "Some doctors have questioned?" You'll have to do better than that. Is there a study? What are the numbers? I call bullshit.

    "Sometimes only 50% effective against herpes"? Would that be mouth herpes, then?

  • Condoms may not protect against HPV because in males the symptoms may appear on the scrotum and not just on the penis. Herpes has a similar issue.

  • that is a lie. The virus cannot survive outside of the body.

  • You also have to take into account that a lot of the failure of condoms is due to improper usage.

  • You have to understands failures rates are calcultaed by tracking test subjects and seeing whether or not they contract STDs. That 15% includes people who fail to use condoms consistently or use them improperly--e.g. petroleum-based lubricants like vaseline break down latex. Use condoms consistently and correctly, and the failure rate is almost 0%.

  • You're right, but your conclusion is wrong. Abstinence is better, yes you are correct but the problem in ONLY teaching abstinence is that so many kids will still have sex regardless of what they are told so the point in teaching safer methods is to protect the kids who aren't willing to participate in abstinence. Sarah Palin's daughter being pregnant is a perfect example. That woman believes in abstinence only, and so obviously that's what she told her kid. And what happened? Kid got pregnant.

  • So many people aren't willing to have be abstinent so why hide information about safe(er) sex from them? I don't understand why all aspects of it can't be taught. Tell them that abstinence is the most effective, but also tell the other less effective but still quite helpful methods for those who aren't willing to listen to abstinence.

  • Being a virgin doesn't mean you have self respect and having sex doesn't mean you lack self respect. Sex or no sex is not an indicator of self repect at all. Sex affects the person by their adittude towards the sex. If one feels its dirty, they'll feel dirty if they have it. If one feels that sex is no big deal, it won't be a big deal for them. Anyways, it sounds like the girls that were hating on you were probably insecure about being closet virgins themselves.

  • Search web for gopi krishna and kundalini who writes article about sex and love.

  • What I did with my kids was check the outline of the "health" class for each year in elementary school, and talk to them about what they'd be learning before the school told them.

    The main thing, I believe, is to fill your children up with love - from birth. They will be children bonded to you and your family, and will be much less likely to put themselves at risk, etc.

    Teens can be educated and choose their own path, choosing wisely and lovingly. xo Beki

  • I love Dan Savage, *swoon*

  • The parents definately need to step up. My high school sex ed was literally the biology teacher showing a couple diagrams on the projector of male and female anatomy and stretching a condom over his arm up to his elbow. He made some joke about penis size and that was it. I learned all I know about sex from my father in one of those horribly awkward father son talks when I was 12 or 13 and I am thankful for it now. I totally plan on doing the same with my children one day.

  • The problem with abstinence-only education is that it doesn't provide for anything less than a 100% success rate. And since the success rate is actually much lower than 100%, many sexually active teenagers are left without even the most basic idea of how to engage in safe sex (which doesn't stop them from engaging in unsafe, stupid sex).

  • Dan does NOT say that all heterosexual men cheat; he's certainly not that discriminating. He is honest about the fact that the vast majority of people do cheat, and that majority is even bigger among men, since they-re hard-wired to try to spread their seed, etc... I mean, congrats on the monogamy thing, not many people are good at that and it's admirable, but Dan Savage is a fairly credible guy if you listen to more than just his sound-bites. He exaggerates but his message is usually solid

  • Several years back I read a Savage column where he did say all heterosexual men cheat. As for the vast majority of people cheating, perhaps. But this is because we live in a mass immoral culture that not only cheapens sex but also accepts cheating as natural, and even condones and promotes it, especially among men. There are even clubs, some of which openly advertise on tv, that help hook cheaters up.

  • "Savage has NO credibility. He's a homosexual who says that every heterosexual man is a cheater."

    So b/c he's gay, he doesn't have credibility??? I seriously doubt he REALLY said that. I think you probably miscontrued what he actually said. I'd like a quote with a source...

    "Regardless, abstinence is the only effective way to combat stds and unplanned pregnancies."

    Which IS taught in comprehensive sex ed programs...

  • Savage doesn't have credibility because he's gay but because he doesn't know what he is talking about. He seems to be on a mission to denigrate heterosexuals by making the lowest of them seem like the norm. He did indeed say heterosexual men want to cheat. You can go to thestranger(dot)com /seattle/SavageLove?archives=a­ll and scroll down to the March 9, 2000 article called "Boys Will Be Boys." Further, as Leslee Unruh says "comprehensive" sex ed programs simply encourage kids to out & have sex.

  • I will check that out.

    "Further, as Leslee Unruh says "comprehensive" sex ed programs simply encourage kids to out & have sex."

    Um, no. "Abstinence Only" has proven itself in study after study that it doesn't work, and yes, again, comprehensive sex education DOES teach abstinence and that it's the only FOR SURE way not to get pregnant or to get stds as well...

  • For someone who is sexually active, I

  • For someone who is sexually active like me, I would rather trust to actual, scientifically verifiable sources about the fact that condoms are a safe option. And maybe it lacks the dignity of abstinence as you seem to promote, but it keeps me from danger of STDs. Regardless of your inclination, there is considerable proof in favor of condoms, morning after pills and other forms of protection.

  • It's possibility vs. probability. Avoiding the activity all together (meaning all the bases or just the first through third) means that there is zero possibility of any egg being fertilized or STDs finding another home. Contraceptives, when used properly and consistently, decrease the likelihood of conception and spreading of other microscopic life, but the possibility is still there. It might be exponentially smaller but it's still there.

  • Well, it's pretty common for homophobes to denigrate homosexuals by making the lowest of *them* seem like the norm. Tit for tat.

  • Abstinence-Only Sex Education doesn't work! Sex has been around forever and unless we educate our teens about sex... keep them safe, keep them clean... we will never end this debate. It's sad that so many people are out of touch with society and teen sex. It happens! TEACH our youth to be sexually safe and educate them about pregnancy and HOW TO AVOID IT! Becasue whether we like it or NOT they are going to have sex. I remember when I was 15, 16, 17 and 18 - being conservative HURTS our youth.

  • the irony is the dude is gay. lol

  • i don't understand why that's ironic. In fact it actually isn't ironic at all, you're probably using the wrong word. And if you meant funny, I don't understand why it's funny. Maybe you could enlighten me.

  • the irony is his igorant comment posted under a video speaking about being sexually uneducated. lol

  • ..What about what he said was ignorant? You comment makes less sense then Aviator does. You kids all have to stop listening to F***ing Alanis Morissette already and look up the definition of "irony" in the dictionary.

  • I know what irony means and there's nothing ironic about him being gay.

  • Maybe it's ironic since homosexual men tend to engage in unsafe sex more than heterosexuals do. Savage is a homosexual who thinks he is an expert on heterosexual males. He actually says that all heterosexual men cheat.

  • You should check out his article. He's really good about topics of any sexual orientation.

  • I think abstinance only education is /b/ tarded (preaching to the choir) but, sex is sex and not a dirty do this only when you want a baby thing. I mean doing something for fun isn't bad as long as no one gets hurt right? so, when messing with fire make sure you have a bucket of water and aloe vera because you might need it.

  • Teachers feel being threaten from the Christofacists...better known as the religious right.

  • Excellent.. !

    We need to reach the kids, really reach them...

  • I agree with these ppl, parents should not be scared to tlk to their kids, its their job, not the schools. If the parents want it to be taught, they need to teach the kids that the most successful way to protect yourself is to practice abstinence, but also ways to have sex safely, because they still have the freedom to make that decision.

  • gods make me laugh.

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