I don't get "unforgivable sin". Does that mean there is no opportunity to be forgiven for it even though we are still alive? If so, what's the point of praying for us? if not, how is it different to the ordinary sin?
The Bible says blesphemy is unforgivable, but if you've never read this nor heard it, how could you know? I pray that God will forgive you and show mercy... Now may i ask a question?
I assume you are getting that from Matthew 12:31-32, which to me doesn't appear to accomodate someone who didn't know. Also, by that reasoning, anyone who hadn't read or heard from the bible about Jesus etc cannot be condemned.
If you are an atheist, that means that you know for a fact that there is no God? In this case, dosen't that mean that you must know every fact in the universe? If not, that one fact you do not know, could be the fact that God exists. Nobody knows everything, therefore dosen't that mean you cannot be not a true athiest?
No, it doesn't, and I can see we are going to argue semantics here.
I speak for myself (James, not Andy) when I say that strictly speaking I am agnostic, in that I cannot be certain. I am happy to go by the athiest tag (despite its negative image) because that's what I am in practise. I am not convinced by any of the religions I have investigated, or indeed been raised to believe.
...But being agnostic in principle, I am happy to hear evidence for some particular belief system. But somebody making a purely emotional appeal would be wasting their time, as I do not have any emotional need for a God.
I think you would find most atheists have a similar position, because it is a ridiculous claim to know everything. It's more like they are as much convinced that all the religions are wrong as the believer is convinced they are right.
A combination of many factors that built up over time caused me to doubt, and naturally, cease to believe.
I got into apologetics and found that that bible was no-where near as robust, accurate, and internally consistent as I had been led to believe. I also gradually found that the arguments christians made were not convincing and were either an appeal to emotion, poor scholarship or fallacious reasoning. All the people who's reasoning I resonated with were non-believers.
Since then by the observation you can see on this channel (albeit light-hearted), my non-belief has been reinforced by observing religious practise and talking to religious people. I find pentecostal congregations particularly transparent as they seem to be big marketing machines with nothing but huge atmospheric buildup where the audience must be whipped into an emotional frenzy before anything "supernatural" happens.
In that case, you must send me a link to the material.
I believe everyone has a kind of "home team" that they barrack for, since that's how the human mind works. We build up our world around such a structure and resist any change that may upset it. In my case it took a long time (years) to dislodge. During that time, I challenged myself to do the right thing and try to disregard my childhood and build it all up from scratch. The christian belief was never rebuilt as I ...
Blasphemy is an unforgivable sin.
pentecostal7768 3 years ago
thanks for the heads-up
TheHurricaneChippers 3 years ago
Your welcome... I will pray for you both
pentecostal7768 3 years ago
I don't get "unforgivable sin". Does that mean there is no opportunity to be forgiven for it even though we are still alive? If so, what's the point of praying for us? if not, how is it different to the ordinary sin?
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
sorry pentecostal7768, I accidentally removed your reply:
"well obviosly you didn no. since you didn realize, i'll pray that God will show a bit of mercy, after all christ died for you... "
I actually intended to hit reply and say this:
That still doesn't make sense of why it is called "unforgivable", could you explain how it works in a little more detail?
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
The Bible says blesphemy is unforgivable, but if you've never read this nor heard it, how could you know? I pray that God will forgive you and show mercy... Now may i ask a question?
pentecostal7768 3 years ago
I assume you are getting that from Matthew 12:31-32, which to me doesn't appear to accomodate someone who didn't know. Also, by that reasoning, anyone who hadn't read or heard from the bible about Jesus etc cannot be condemned.
And yes, you may certainly ask me a question!
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
If you are an atheist, that means that you know for a fact that there is no God? In this case, dosen't that mean that you must know every fact in the universe? If not, that one fact you do not know, could be the fact that God exists. Nobody knows everything, therefore dosen't that mean you cannot be not a true athiest?
pentecostal7768 3 years ago
No, it doesn't, and I can see we are going to argue semantics here.
I speak for myself (James, not Andy) when I say that strictly speaking I am agnostic, in that I cannot be certain. I am happy to go by the athiest tag (despite its negative image) because that's what I am in practise. I am not convinced by any of the religions I have investigated, or indeed been raised to believe.
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
...But being agnostic in principle, I am happy to hear evidence for some particular belief system. But somebody making a purely emotional appeal would be wasting their time, as I do not have any emotional need for a God.
I think you would find most atheists have a similar position, because it is a ridiculous claim to know everything. It's more like they are as much convinced that all the religions are wrong as the believer is convinced they are right.
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
What have you been raised to believe?
pentecostal7768 3 years ago
A conservative evangelical (Calvanist if you like) view of the bible, e.g. Jesus died for sins, all are condemned, the bible is God's word
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
Might I ask what caused you to leave that belief?
pentecostal7768 3 years ago
A combination of many factors that built up over time caused me to doubt, and naturally, cease to believe.
I got into apologetics and found that that bible was no-where near as robust, accurate, and internally consistent as I had been led to believe. I also gradually found that the arguments christians made were not convincing and were either an appeal to emotion, poor scholarship or fallacious reasoning. All the people who's reasoning I resonated with were non-believers.
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
Since then by the observation you can see on this channel (albeit light-hearted), my non-belief has been reinforced by observing religious practise and talking to religious people. I find pentecostal congregations particularly transparent as they seem to be big marketing machines with nothing but huge atmospheric buildup where the audience must be whipped into an emotional frenzy before anything "supernatural" happens.
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
I see... I am currently taking an apologetics course and it has only made my belief stronger.
pentecostal7768 3 years ago
In that case, you must send me a link to the material.
I believe everyone has a kind of "home team" that they barrack for, since that's how the human mind works. We build up our world around such a structure and resist any change that may upset it. In my case it took a long time (years) to dislodge. During that time, I challenged myself to do the right thing and try to disregard my childhood and build it all up from scratch. The christian belief was never rebuilt as I ...
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
... was no longer convinced of it.
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago
U got eye fucked and free cool shit...U guys are hysterical!
imafishgod 3 years ago
interesting vid lads :)
drewstarroodles 3 years ago
thank you! coming soon are our visits to the Jewish Synagogue and a Mormon church
TheGodIntrusion 3 years ago