That sucker is awesome! I'm glad one is still running! I can only imagine what it would be like to operate one of these behemoths! The closest I've gotten is to sit in the cabin of a Big BOy, which was awesome, but of course it wasn't running.
lol at some of the comments talking about the smoke being photogenic. TO MAKE STEAM YOU NEED TO BOIL LIQUID, TO BOIL LIQUID YOU NEED TO BURN COAL. Steam engines are pollutants.
It still kinda annoys me that the only reason they stopped really using steam locos is because they're not as fast as electric and diesel and not as quick to get going. (It takes a few hours to start a steam locomotive). They completely ignore the fact they're more eco-freindly and much better to look at. If instead of taking a British Class 377 to work every day it as replaced with a BR Black 5 with Mk 1's I would be happier to see it pull in late.
While it's very photogenic, even in steam's heyday railroad execs would not be happy to see that much smoke. Several of O. Winston Link's photos were rejected by N&W because a well fired engine did not produce that much smoke.
I got to see its big brotherAKA BIg Boy 4018 because I live in Dallas it's in really bad condition I heard it would take 1 million dollars just to remove the asbestos from it I wish it would be restored like the challenger it would be a dream to see these giants move once again.
Now that's a Train, raw power from steam, not from one of the those pussy ass diesel trains you see everyday. I choose steam trains over diesel trains any day. The EPA can kiss my ass.
I LOVE THIS THING! After the EPA past the new clean air standards that will cost all of us millions in increased power bill I hope they run this thing wide ass open all day on Earth Day. People will look at this one day and say, " that was when the USA was a great nation and giants walked the earth." Beautiful, just beautiful.
@jnthnrl798 technically its a 4-6-6-4 challenger, the UP had a 4-12-2 locomotive that they used on long freights but they were retired in the early 50's I think. (reason for 4-6-6-4 is because 3985 is an articulation type locomotive with two sets of 6 driving wheels, so while your statement is true, it is not accurate for an articulation type locomotive.) Not meaning to be mean, I just in a corrective mood today
@modeltrainman12345 well my suck computer makes it impossible to give an accurate wheel count but the reason i mentioned the bigboy is because i started alot of roomers some time ago that a bigboy is being ressurected for commercial reasons
@jnthnrl798 I have heard them too (even got a pm about it), but it will take 30 or so years and right the place that has the bigboy (4018 I think) is only doing a cosmetic restoration until a complete one can be planned
magic clip mate true power at its best, hope Al Gore and the enviromentallist don't go to youtube british steam, lickey incline, after watching that clip their hair will turn white and fall out
I remember these Alco Steamers were a power house, and Baldwin had a 4-10-10-2, both of them can handle 120 loaded railcars up grades. I enjoyed working with these old steamers during my younger years with Santa Fe Railway. Awesome memories.
@sbeer6er They "sand the flues". They hold a shovel of sand, near the open firebox door. The draft pulls the sand in, and it scours the fire tubes as the flames go through, and out the stack.
Lol, Trains are the MOST fuel efficient mode of transportation in the world. Furthermore the black smoke is mostly particulate matter of carbon, not much harm is done with it anyway.
Its the Green House gases per capita that is his problem.
@Jagg2305 After you see the carbon tax Julia Gillard the Australian PM lied about saying that'll never happen under her leadership, I doubt you'd want to pay for carbon credits set to roll out in june 2012, I'll be paying $770 extra a year just for carbon on household electricity excluding the cost inplemented in Petrol So as a single on say $25,000 a year thats a lot of cash for a tax that was said will never be introduced in her pre election promise by a back stabbing bitch of a Prime minister
hi man would you mind if a used this video for a song writers project a few of us have going on you tube, great footage can see were the fasination lies, marvelous beautifull machines, cheers,
there's something about steam trains just watching them is hypnotic IMO i think is the awesome movement of the rods connecting the wheels also steamers just feel like their alive perhaps because they have a heart beat a voice that screams they can sneeze, cough,shudder and generally misbehave just like humans and that is why we love them.
I am just curious - I thought a GOOD HOT fire gave very little to almost no smoke - or unburnt coal gases, particulates and semi ash;
And I know from regulating fires and furnaces - that smoke essentially is a state of burning too much fuel or not enough air - or "going heavy on the throttle".
I am curious as to why are the engineers driving them, so frequently running them rich, and wasting fuel / power and polluting like mad?
Better tuning - less air to the bed, more air to the firebox?
@callmeshane303 the description says its now running on number 5 fuel oil. they may not have as much control over the air fuel mix now, especially when the engineers are going for full throttle. lots of fuel burning = lots of heat = lots of steam power, and a lot of smoke. that holds true for coal or oil.
The Engineer's "whistle technique" brought back a memory. I used to hear the SP and Santa Fe locomotives at night in the 1950's here in Atwater in the San Joaquin Valley of California
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Those Engineer's also had musician-like touches on the whistle. Very Nice.
Wow, that is beyond impressive. I've always loved steam trains. There is just nothing quite like them and that one is an absolute monster (in a good way of coarse)
last i checked they (the workers at the Steam Shop) have been working on it for the past few years. If i remember correctly they re-tired her wheels (as in put new tires on them). Took them of three at a time and shipped them down south to a UP facility to to do it.
Cole burners wer not the only thing that touched off grass fires,i was on a vollentieer fire dep in mich back in the 70;s quite often the disels that came through would set off the tall dead grass from winter.If they let a diesel idle, in the yard for a long, got out on the road, and opened her up to get up a grade, It could blow out big enough chunks of hot carbon to start a grass fire.
Skip, very nice job- would like to see the drivers up close again. Saw 3985 and 8444 (4-8-4) in 1990 and both were impressive then too. Would like to see UPRR do more PR with these bad boys! My kids, like their old man, love the steamers..
When this thing ran on coal the smoke was way darker because of all the soot. The oil doesn't burn as dark, but it still looks cool when the engineer uses extra fuel. The more smoke the better! Looks awsome.
No excuse for excessive smoke (As Steve Lee found out when City of Fort Worth fined the UP for pollution a few years ago), guess that's why UP doesn't push trips to Texas large cities, as most are in "non-attainment" status with the EPA over smoke & ozone..
These old mechanical machines, will always run, it's amazing how much more durability they have over modern engines, although they consume more fuel, in the end these things are better for the environment, cause they last forever.
The Challenger is notated as a 4-6-6-4. There is yet a larger engine designed and ran by the UP. The 4-8-8-4 Big Boy. Sadly, none of those are operational, but 8 remain on display scattered about the country.
My other question was if she is burning #6 bunker oil, but I just read that she is making the black stuff with #5. I have had a dozen years running boilers with #6 and realize that #5 can also bring darkness upon the earth day when you want it to!
I bet the #5 has to be pre-heated before pumping it into her firebox. The #6 sure had to be.
Oh yes, I got ahead of myself and added the 2 sets of six together. I always thought the Flying Scotsman was a big brute, but never having seen more than a picture of it, never realized it isn't all that big after all. This baby makes it (and of course, all other European stuff) look tiny.
but its a lot of weight, to match, you could put 10 prius's and still not have the power so I dont think its a fai comparison, though i think its great that they have at least one double driver locomotive running. we have the 765 here she is the biggest east of the mississippi for right now, running the mainline.
@Zahn That's where you would be wrong. It's called the economics of scale. Meaning the more weight a machine can carry, the less fuel (and money) per pound of product is consumed. Which is why it's cheaper, and "greener" to ship products worldwide using giant cargo ships (because they can hold more at once). That's why i said "pound for pound", because it would take hundreds of prius's to do this kind of work, which would be WAY more polluting than this one loco.
@salemcripple But from beginning to end, all the separate processes and industry methods to obtain the coal briquette results in more fossil fuels being used and pollution to our skys than what was the total consumption for achieving a Toyota Prius, donja think?
@Zahn If you count all that, you have to do the same for the Prius. Where as this was 100% built in America, the Prius's parts come from all around the world (China, the US, Japan, Europe, for example), then assembled in Canada (i think), then the car itself is shipped all over the world. This is before you even drive mile one in it. Add to this, the batteries in the Prius (or any electric vehicle) are incredibly toxic. And have a short lifespan.
@Zahn pt2: and besides, most of what you're seeing coming out of the stacks on a steamer is just that, steam (and some harmless soot). There is some nasty stuff in there, don't get me wrong, but it's in no way the majority.
@salemcripple I doubt it. A Prius (and all other PZEVs) can actually have exhaust that's cleaner than the air in some urban areas. This train does not clean the air at any time during its operation.
@idontcare80 We've been through all this before. If you want to see the rest of the debate you're going to have to look for it in the "all comments" section.
@salemcripple Nope, that wasn't me. Even if you stack up the emissions from enough PZEV rated cars to equal the weight of this entire train, the cars would still be cleaner. The cars might use more fuel, but they would still pollute less. Although, you could consider CO2 a pollutant (I don't) and then you might have an argument, but I don't think that's your point here.
@idontcare80 It was still funny. You may be right, but electrics, and hybrids will NEVER be anywhere near as cool as this! I guess my comparison would be better suited if the prius was steam powered (apples to oranges)
@salemcripple Very few things will be as cool as steam locomotives, or radial powered aircraft, or piston engines in cars. It's kinda sad that advances in transportation technology always seem to mean the loss of the character of that technology.
@salemcripple Please explain that hypothesis. I've never seen a Toyota Prius or a Honda Insight drive by belching a cloud of black smoke for miles on end. And your "pound for pound" math is all wrong.
Indeed these are beautiful machines, and do play an important part in the history of America travel but the fact of the matter still remains....these antiquated relics are noisy, dirty, inefficient and high maintenance.
@RellyOhBoy from and earlier post "That's where you would be wrong. It's called the economics of scale. Meaning the more weight a machine can carry, the less fuel (and money) per pound of product is consumed. Which is why it's cheaper, and "greener" to ship products worldwide using giant cargo ships (because they can hold more at once). That's why i said "pound for pound", because it would take hundreds of prius's to do this kind of work, which would be WAY more polluting than this one loco."
@RellyOhBoy They are actually cleaner then most cars and cleaner a diesel locomotives. Most of what you see in that smoke is water vapor combined with a little soot and coal ash. Hence the name steam engine. They do take a lot of man hours to keep running but there are only a few mainline steam locomotives still in operation (i.e. UP 3985, 844, SP 4449, SP&S 700, AT&SF 3571, PM 765, and only a few others and they don't run all the time.
@salemcripple True, and neither does it have the colossal land fill issues with spent batteries that these so-called enviro-friendly hybrid vehicles present, either. That's something that the Greenies conveniently forget to tell the public. It's all political.
@bigred42091 yesa 4 million dollar scratch, even though the pruises are made of aluminum and cardboard, i would love to see one destroyed, just, not by this.
Question. Which is worst, a bunch of people driving thier cars or a passenger load on a train? I like trains but don't know very much about them. Would it be better if people used trains for long distance travel over air planes or cars? I some how think the train would be better and if not than improve the train instead of the car because trains are so enchanting and they should stay around. I couldn't stop staring at this vid.
The smoke just covered that farm building o.o
tyrone36922 1 day ago
i heard that her boiler tried to go boom which was why she hasn't been running for a while
Barricade360 1 day ago
nothing like a steam whistle sound. so good
brucecore 4 days ago
B-E-A-UTIFUL.... this is how the west was won
rioishikawa 6 days ago
What a magnificent beast!
Silver46544 6 days ago
Great pacing video. Thanks.
chrisnzella 6 days ago
Alleghny or Big boy?!?!??!
takarlor12 1 week ago
That sucker is awesome! I'm glad one is still running! I can only imagine what it would be like to operate one of these behemoths! The closest I've gotten is to sit in the cabin of a Big BOy, which was awesome, but of course it wasn't running.
MartyInLa 1 week ago
lol at some of the comments talking about the smoke being photogenic. TO MAKE STEAM YOU NEED TO BOIL LIQUID, TO BOIL LIQUID YOU NEED TO BURN COAL. Steam engines are pollutants.
n3rdbear 2 weeks ago
@n3rdbear It burns oil - not coal.
TennRJF 2 weeks ago
@TennRJF it burns cats
n3rdbear 2 weeks ago
It still kinda annoys me that the only reason they stopped really using steam locos is because they're not as fast as electric and diesel and not as quick to get going. (It takes a few hours to start a steam locomotive). They completely ignore the fact they're more eco-freindly and much better to look at. If instead of taking a British Class 377 to work every day it as replaced with a BR Black 5 with Mk 1's I would be happier to see it pull in late.
AshHill07 2 weeks ago
Nothing like clean, country air.
TDUCruise 2 weeks ago
You know, steam locomotives actually run really clean exhaust. The engineer just makes it black for photogenics.
operazanotaijin 2 weeks ago
it's like a factory on wheels ( speed factory ! )
dougofhgate 2 weeks ago
steam engine are about as bad as a couple of bonfires, and there arent nearly as many as there are cars on the road
koopastompin 3 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
The Big Boy?
TrainSounds 3 weeks ago
cars or busses produce as much......this is more steam
paseggiato 4 weeks ago
While it's very photogenic, even in steam's heyday railroad execs would not be happy to see that much smoke. Several of O. Winston Link's photos were rejected by N&W because a well fired engine did not produce that much smoke.
Hendo56 4 weeks ago
Nice machine
dalton1583 1 month ago
I got to see its big brotherAKA BIg Boy 4018 because I live in Dallas it's in really bad condition I heard it would take 1 million dollars just to remove the asbestos from it I wish it would be restored like the challenger it would be a dream to see these giants move once again.
socomairsoftguns 1 month ago
i have the weirdest bonner right now
cooljackdesert 1 month ago
What's the speed? It looks fast.
GLL1912 1 month ago
@GLL1912 The top speed of No.3985 is about 70 miles an hour. Her cruising speed is between 45 or 60 miles per hour.
Redrumx21 1 month ago
Now that's a Train, raw power from steam, not from one of the those pussy ass diesel trains you see everyday. I choose steam trains over diesel trains any day. The EPA can kiss my ass.
Redrumx21 1 month ago
what a peice of beauty
koopastompin 1 month ago
An environut once said he wanted to force people out of their cars and onto trains. bet if he looked at this he'd have a heart attack.
searchanddiscover 1 month ago
I LOVE THIS THING! After the EPA past the new clean air standards that will cost all of us millions in increased power bill I hope they run this thing wide ass open all day on Earth Day. People will look at this one day and say, " that was when the USA was a great nation and giants walked the earth." Beautiful, just beautiful.
g11stewart 1 month ago
Congratulations on high quality!
Jigsawkiller1000 1 month ago
The Up In Smoke Tour
DaWestsideUnlimited 1 month ago
don't stand on its way!
DaWestsideUnlimited 1 month ago
Wow. ....... great footage .... spoiled by the drivers hand freezing on the whistle!!
MrFlemball 1 month ago
Beautiful machine!
Gman200108 1 month ago
Now that is a thing of engineering beauty
Kfowlkes09 1 month ago
Love it!
1954belfast 1 month ago
I have this baby for n Scale
Brolythesupersayain 1 month ago
so a 4-12-4 challenger....... not bad
jnthnrl798 1 month ago
@jnthnrl798 technically its a 4-6-6-4 challenger, the UP had a 4-12-2 locomotive that they used on long freights but they were retired in the early 50's I think. (reason for 4-6-6-4 is because 3985 is an articulation type locomotive with two sets of 6 driving wheels, so while your statement is true, it is not accurate for an articulation type locomotive.) Not meaning to be mean, I just in a corrective mood today
modeltrainman12345 1 month ago
@modeltrainman12345 well my suck computer makes it impossible to give an accurate wheel count but the reason i mentioned the bigboy is because i started alot of roomers some time ago that a bigboy is being ressurected for commercial reasons
jnthnrl798 1 month ago
@jnthnrl798 I have heard them too (even got a pm about it), but it will take 30 or so years and right the place that has the bigboy (4018 I think) is only doing a cosmetic restoration until a complete one can be planned
modeltrainman12345 1 month ago
fukn sexxy
werdCanada 1 month ago
beatiful machine is magic
arrrocero93 1 month ago
magic clip mate true power at its best, hope Al Gore and the enviromentallist don't go to youtube british steam, lickey incline, after watching that clip their hair will turn white and fall out
chchdavenz 2 months ago
Great video!
deblovetrains 2 months ago
air pollution you must hate are earth we need clean air
cutandshoottx 2 months ago
I remember these Alco Steamers were a power house, and Baldwin had a 4-10-10-2, both of them can handle 120 loaded railcars up grades. I enjoyed working with these old steamers during my younger years with Santa Fe Railway. Awesome memories.
ATSF1927 2 months ago
god those things are fast!!!
PhOeNiXpIoLe 2 months ago
what do they do to make more or less smoke? must be gas powered?
sbeer6er 2 months ago
@sbeer6er They "sand the flues". They hold a shovel of sand, near the open firebox door. The draft pulls the sand in, and it scours the fire tubes as the flames go through, and out the stack.
Blargaldalien 1 month ago
that's what i call "dual core"
battisa 2 months ago
The thing with black smoke like that it's made up of heavy particles and once it cools off it will sink to the ground and stay there.
MangoHombre 2 months ago
Ok I'm a little depressed she's not burning coal, but it's still beautiful seeing all that black smoke.
michaelhpedersen 2 months ago
That's just sexy.
akwlb2 2 months ago
a wonderfull steam engine, nice weekend and greez from Germany
celeron03 2 months ago
that's power!!!!!!
MrTONY2814 2 months ago
Take that EPA!
TheMythfox 2 months ago
crazy bad ass train i wish i was there for the ride just amazing!!!!!!!!!!
hage28 3 months ago
The liberal nanny state tree hugger whacko`s would have a stroke if they saw this thing...more sir,may I have more?...heh heh
824Tank 3 months ago
Skip, you make great railroad film. Thanks.
daletennyson 3 months ago in playlist daletennyson's favorites
I'll bet the EPA wasnt happy to see this rolling coal the way it was!!!!
BigM161 3 months ago 10
Al Gore's Worst Nightmare!! What a beautiful piece of engineering!
socialistcontainment 3 months ago 38
@socialistcontainment
Lol, Trains are the MOST fuel efficient mode of transportation in the world. Furthermore the black smoke is mostly particulate matter of carbon, not much harm is done with it anyway.
Its the Green House gases per capita that is his problem.
wilsonsamuel 3 weeks ago
@socialistcontainment After watching a great video like this, I'll pay carbon credits to see it again.
Jagg2305 1 week ago
@Jagg2305 After you see the carbon tax Julia Gillard the Australian PM lied about saying that'll never happen under her leadership, I doubt you'd want to pay for carbon credits set to roll out in june 2012, I'll be paying $770 extra a year just for carbon on household electricity excluding the cost inplemented in Petrol So as a single on say $25,000 a year thats a lot of cash for a tax that was said will never be introduced in her pre election promise by a back stabbing bitch of a Prime minister
my90tp 1 week ago
@socialistcontainment Watch out now! It's Al Gore at the throttle of the Truck Tire Fire special!!
junkdeal 5 days ago
hi man would you mind if a used this video for a song writers project a few of us have going on you tube, great footage can see were the fasination lies, marvelous beautifull machines, cheers,
tanglewoodtw400n 3 months ago
Whats up motherfuckers
StaringAtShlt 3 months ago
Que fierro hermoso!
maximilianoford1 4 months ago
Its all about the sound they make!
Classicnovaguy 4 months ago
there's something about steam trains just watching them is hypnotic IMO i think is the awesome movement of the rods connecting the wheels also steamers just feel like their alive perhaps because they have a heart beat a voice that screams they can sneeze, cough,shudder and generally misbehave just like humans and that is why we love them.
jazzajumpy 4 months ago
3985 smashed into 5 environmentalist's Priuses.
LNERMallard 4 months ago
Very Cool! When these steam locos are running at 80mph plus in these pacings vids they sinc up just great with German Tecno. dance tunes
ufoengines 4 months ago
I am just curious - I thought a GOOD HOT fire gave very little to almost no smoke - or unburnt coal gases, particulates and semi ash;
And I know from regulating fires and furnaces - that smoke essentially is a state of burning too much fuel or not enough air - or "going heavy on the throttle".
I am curious as to why are the engineers driving them, so frequently running them rich, and wasting fuel / power and polluting like mad?
Better tuning - less air to the bed, more air to the firebox?
callmeshane303 4 months ago
@callmeshane303 the description says its now running on number 5 fuel oil. they may not have as much control over the air fuel mix now, especially when the engineers are going for full throttle. lots of fuel burning = lots of heat = lots of steam power, and a lot of smoke. that holds true for coal or oil.
cumminsfan 4 months ago
@cumminsfan
Naaa bullshit - rich mixtures burn cold AND the soot acts as an insulator as the gases run up the boiler tubes.
They have total control over the mixture.
They need to adjust the air and the fuel - the driver and stoker are just fucking lazy.
callmeshane303 4 months ago
These shots always work well with German Techno as the sound track.
Rolling Power yea!
ufoengines 4 months ago
frightening power thats behind these thing!!!
TheInGenCO 4 months ago
FANTASTIC.
Beautiful machine. Great video.
Thank you for uploading this. I didn`t know there were any still in working order.
Nonamed22 4 months ago
two smoke stacks..awesome !!! just something magical about these big fellas ...
fjbutch 4 months ago
BADASS. He gives it to her at 0:42. Roalin coal.
Fiberglasser03 4 months ago
@Fiberglasser03 She was conveted back in 1990 to oil.
steamingpoopfart 3 months ago
sadly that just the chalenger is still operating i wanted to see a bigboy in action but poorly i will never ever have a chance too :(
xam107 4 months ago
I want it, not only to smash a Toyota Prius, I want it to smash a Toyota Prius with Al Gore locked in it!!!!!
truckr74 4 months ago
The Engineer's "whistle technique" brought back a memory. I used to hear the SP and Santa Fe locomotives at night in the 1950's here in Atwater in the San Joaquin Valley of California
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Those Engineer's also had musician-like touches on the whistle. Very Nice.
erod1944 5 months ago
Just Amazing !
BrannonPurvis 5 months ago
Wow, that is beyond impressive. I've always loved steam trains. There is just nothing quite like them and that one is an absolute monster (in a good way of coarse)
TheMrbum 5 months ago
And wyotechers think their trucks roll smoke lol.
phil656565 5 months ago
The sound of the steam whistle is so much cooler than a modern air horn on a diesel.
Impalamark64 5 months ago
who ever is running 3985 must be one proud engineer!
david245611 5 months ago
I gather we will never see a Big Boy brought back to life, but this comes real close.
ph11p3540 5 months ago
fn ace manh
XMIR10C 5 months ago
im sad its not big boy =(
rexman92 6 months ago
Great video!*********
Olga/
Oliy92466 6 months ago
Bad Ass!
shooting4fun 6 months ago
2:05 to 2:30 = The Sound That Built America
PapaVic9758 6 months ago
@PapaVic9758 that smoke build America and global warning...have a nice day and fresh air in your longs.
zamfir2000 6 months ago
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@PapaVic9758 that smoke build America and global warming...have a nice day and fresh air in your longs.
zamfir2000 6 months ago
5 idiots are tree huggers.
GECP4256 6 months ago
Casey Jones you better watch that speed !............
TheBrannonPurvis 6 months ago
Five Train Robbers didnt like this video
starguard 6 months ago
A mans engine, i wish i was the boilerman
kiwicockers 6 months ago
coal waste....
luiseduardo586 6 months ago
to hd74xlhs
last i checked they (the workers at the Steam Shop) have been working on it for the past few years. If i remember correctly they re-tired her wheels (as in put new tires on them). Took them of three at a time and shipped them down south to a UP facility to to do it.
codytrains 6 months ago
Cole burners wer not the only thing that touched off grass fires,i was on a vollentieer fire dep in mich back in the 70;s quite often the disels that came through would set off the tall dead grass from winter.If they let a diesel idle, in the yard for a long, got out on the road, and opened her up to get up a grade, It could blow out big enough chunks of hot carbon to start a grass fire.
willibill1 6 months ago
Skip, very nice job- would like to see the drivers up close again. Saw 3985 and 8444 (4-8-4) in 1990 and both were impressive then too. Would like to see UPRR do more PR with these bad boys! My kids, like their old man, love the steamers..
hd74xlhs 6 months ago
a dream to drive it
marklins1 6 months ago
We need to bring back these old Iron Horses
orckiller91 6 months ago
The Clear Blue Sky behind it is what really makes it stand out
starguard 6 months ago
What an awesome piece of machinery.
1sttvbn 7 months ago
Best train alive :D like if you agree
AJZ2232 7 months ago
@1XxArlongxX1 this is challenger because it has 4-6-6-4 wheelbase, the big boy has 4-8-8-4 :D
MRoesterreicher1 7 months ago
I am not even a train guy and WOW, what an incredible machine.
thewakz 7 months ago
When this thing ran on coal the smoke was way darker because of all the soot. The oil doesn't burn as dark, but it still looks cool when the engineer uses extra fuel. The more smoke the better! Looks awsome.
intimidate2161 7 months ago
very very very good!!
heisserreifen 7 months ago
Beautiful pacing video, very well done! Love it!
Wiseguy1408 7 months ago
No excuse for excessive smoke (As Steve Lee found out when City of Fort Worth fined the UP for pollution a few years ago), guess that's why UP doesn't push trips to Texas large cities, as most are in "non-attainment" status with the EPA over smoke & ozone..
Howard1939 7 months ago
@MultiJiles Why...???You can always use solar too...if there was power enough to pull the train.Who knows...perhaps into future.
Andgul63 7 months ago
They should have left it as a coal burner. Grass fires would make it more realistic :-)
starguard 7 months ago
there are many railfans down there.
rolippine 8 months ago
i love trains like these
whatwhere 8 months ago
Wonderfull beast. Thanks a lot for the video.
Thom518 8 months ago
Hey Skip, brother, I live in New Zealand. We have some steam trains but they are not regular passenger service. Most are for tourist and enthusiasts.
The 9835 is amazing. We never had anything that size in this country.
Thanks for loading it. Really enjoyed it.
Southernman.
1WallyJS 8 months ago
These old mechanical machines, will always run, it's amazing how much more durability they have over modern engines, although they consume more fuel, in the end these things are better for the environment, cause they last forever.
barthoedemaker 8 months ago
this is big boy right?
MRoesterreicher1 8 months ago
@MRoesterreicher1
no, Challenger. 4-6-6-4
big boy 4-8-8-4
there is currently no operational big boy. only static displays.
simhopp 8 months ago
Drivin' that would almost cause an orgasm!
JohnnyNokaster 8 months ago
3 people are enviormentalists
awsumness123 8 months ago
6 !
Krystusik1997 3 months ago
what a magnificent iron horse
MrCouldbeakiller 8 months ago
where is Al Gore and his global warming buddies?
sunrise1776 8 months ago
great locomotive
DJ1PAKERION 8 months ago
omg so badass
omgpuppies0707 9 months ago 2
You know, there's some kinds of polution we can live with. Christ, I damn neared cried watching this.
554687858 9 months ago
@554687858
If they burn methane, butane or propane, it would not produce such thick smoke.
but fuel cost will be high, and will need to put gas tanker behind the tender,
and modify the burner too.
or they could try burning methanol or ethanol too.
simhopp 8 months ago
The Challenger is notated as a 4-6-6-4. There is yet a larger engine designed and ran by the UP. The 4-8-8-4 Big Boy. Sadly, none of those are operational, but 8 remain on display scattered about the country.
Ramjet1975 9 months ago
My other question was if she is burning #6 bunker oil, but I just read that she is making the black stuff with #5. I have had a dozen years running boilers with #6 and realize that #5 can also bring darkness upon the earth day when you want it to!
I bet the #5 has to be pre-heated before pumping it into her firebox. The #6 sure had to be.
wqpeb 9 months ago
Holy crap...I just got a massive woody
Badwhiskey6 9 months ago
BY the roarin' fu-k..she's a dandy!
Must be blowing through Bunker #6 or similar?
What is she...a 4-12-4 ?
wqpeb 9 months ago
@wqpeb
She's considered a 4-6-6-4.
BrainBordom 9 months ago
@BrainBordom
Oh yes, I got ahead of myself and added the 2 sets of six together. I always thought the Flying Scotsman was a big brute, but never having seen more than a picture of it, never realized it isn't all that big after all. This baby makes it (and of course, all other European stuff) look tiny.
wqpeb 9 months ago
@wqpeb
there never was 4-12-4, but there was 4-14-4
you can see static display of Union Pacific 9000 4-12-2 at Pomona Fairground, California.
along with a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy and a 4-10-2 Southern Pacific 5021
simhopp 8 months ago
Skin her back!
MOJONIXION 9 months ago
The whistle sounds so much better than an air horn!
CEOkiller 9 months ago
Man that thing is a beast, look at compared to the driver, I mean seriously...I would pay to see that thing ruin a Toyota.
BillyQuincy 9 months ago
CO machine
royturk 9 months ago
outstanding video of a great american locomotive...hypnotic...and the sound excellent as well. thanks.
maicoace 9 months ago
Thumbs up if you want this thing to smash through a Toyota Prius
bigred42091 10 months ago 70
@bigred42091 me
DaDuttFire 5 months ago
@bigred42091 your statement is stupid on so many levels. useless peasant.
teamwounder 5 months ago
@bigred42091 The funny thing is that pound for pound, this is MORE environmentally friendly than 10 prius's
salemcripple 5 months ago 31
but its a lot of weight, to match, you could put 10 prius's and still not have the power so I dont think its a fai comparison, though i think its great that they have at least one double driver locomotive running. we have the 765 here she is the biggest east of the mississippi for right now, running the mainline.
manga12 4 months ago
@manga12 We got the 4449 operating out of just north of my house. Not a double driver, but she's still my favorite :-)
salemcripple 4 months ago
@salemcripple Nah, because of the coal it is not.
Zahn 4 months ago
@Zahn That's where you would be wrong. It's called the economics of scale. Meaning the more weight a machine can carry, the less fuel (and money) per pound of product is consumed. Which is why it's cheaper, and "greener" to ship products worldwide using giant cargo ships (because they can hold more at once). That's why i said "pound for pound", because it would take hundreds of prius's to do this kind of work, which would be WAY more polluting than this one loco.
salemcripple 4 months ago
@salemcripple But from beginning to end, all the separate processes and industry methods to obtain the coal briquette results in more fossil fuels being used and pollution to our skys than what was the total consumption for achieving a Toyota Prius, donja think?
Zahn 4 months ago
@Zahn If you count all that, you have to do the same for the Prius. Where as this was 100% built in America, the Prius's parts come from all around the world (China, the US, Japan, Europe, for example), then assembled in Canada (i think), then the car itself is shipped all over the world. This is before you even drive mile one in it. Add to this, the batteries in the Prius (or any electric vehicle) are incredibly toxic. And have a short lifespan.
salemcripple 4 months ago
@Zahn pt2: and besides, most of what you're seeing coming out of the stacks on a steamer is just that, steam (and some harmless soot). There is some nasty stuff in there, don't get me wrong, but it's in no way the majority.
salemcripple 4 months ago
@salemcripple I doubt it. A Prius (and all other PZEVs) can actually have exhaust that's cleaner than the air in some urban areas. This train does not clean the air at any time during its operation.
idontcare80 3 months ago
@idontcare80 We've been through all this before. If you want to see the rest of the debate you're going to have to look for it in the "all comments" section.
salemcripple 3 months ago
@salemcripple Well, you're still wrong.
idontcare80 3 months ago
@salemcripple Nope, that wasn't me. Even if you stack up the emissions from enough PZEV rated cars to equal the weight of this entire train, the cars would still be cleaner. The cars might use more fuel, but they would still pollute less. Although, you could consider CO2 a pollutant (I don't) and then you might have an argument, but I don't think that's your point here.
idontcare80 3 months ago
@idontcare80 It was still funny. You may be right, but electrics, and hybrids will NEVER be anywhere near as cool as this! I guess my comparison would be better suited if the prius was steam powered (apples to oranges)
salemcripple 3 months ago
@salemcripple Very few things will be as cool as steam locomotives, or radial powered aircraft, or piston engines in cars. It's kinda sad that advances in transportation technology always seem to mean the loss of the character of that technology.
idontcare80 3 months ago
@salemcripple Please explain that hypothesis. I've never seen a Toyota Prius or a Honda Insight drive by belching a cloud of black smoke for miles on end. And your "pound for pound" math is all wrong.
Indeed these are beautiful machines, and do play an important part in the history of America travel but the fact of the matter still remains....these antiquated relics are noisy, dirty, inefficient and high maintenance.
RellyOhBoy 3 months ago
@RellyOhBoy But I must admit...they are a joy to watch......
RellyOhBoy 3 months ago
@RellyOhBoy from and earlier post "That's where you would be wrong. It's called the economics of scale. Meaning the more weight a machine can carry, the less fuel (and money) per pound of product is consumed. Which is why it's cheaper, and "greener" to ship products worldwide using giant cargo ships (because they can hold more at once). That's why i said "pound for pound", because it would take hundreds of prius's to do this kind of work, which would be WAY more polluting than this one loco."
salemcripple 3 months ago
@RellyOhBoy They are actually cleaner then most cars and cleaner a diesel locomotives. Most of what you see in that smoke is water vapor combined with a little soot and coal ash. Hence the name steam engine. They do take a lot of man hours to keep running but there are only a few mainline steam locomotives still in operation (i.e. UP 3985, 844, SP 4449, SP&S 700, AT&SF 3571, PM 765, and only a few others and they don't run all the time.
southparkline1 2 months ago
You know what?! I bet your right! We ought to tell the EPA to suck on that!
Subaruguy8508 3 months ago
@salemcripple True, and neither does it have the colossal land fill issues with spent batteries that these so-called enviro-friendly hybrid vehicles present, either. That's something that the Greenies conveniently forget to tell the public. It's all political.
peteacher52 2 months ago
@bigred42091 it could smash any car ;)
david245611 5 months ago
@bigred42091 Just one?
It should be trailing a banner saying 'Carbon footprint my big fat shiny metal ASS! I'm gonna move a mountain for you!"
MrMoorkey 4 months ago
@bigred42091 hell no that would damage such a nice and amazing piece of machinary.
tavis5500 4 months ago
@tavis5500, what a scratch?
bigred42091 3 months ago
@bigred42091 yesa 4 million dollar scratch, even though the pruises are made of aluminum and cardboard, i would love to see one destroyed, just, not by this.
tavis5500 3 months ago
Question. Which is worst, a bunch of people driving thier cars or a passenger load on a train? I like trains but don't know very much about them. Would it be better if people used trains for long distance travel over air planes or cars? I some how think the train would be better and if not than improve the train instead of the car because trains are so enchanting and they should stay around. I couldn't stop staring at this vid.
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BabiiPerryua959 10 months ago
WOW 2 sets of steam cylinders on Both Sides. What a sight! And sound!
Black smoke is Prius Repellant!
jackpontiac52 10 months ago
this loco puts modern diesels to shame
aaronzack14 10 months ago
"Dear Santa" indeed.
caspiansm 10 months ago
dear santa......
WatchdogDisciple 10 months ago 2
SWEET!
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