@bammc1 If Satan's biggest trick was convincing the world he didn't exist... why do over 70% of americans believe in him? Doesn't seem like a big trick to me
would he need to save us from them., which goes back to my first post, if everything GOD created is good then the concepts themselves must be good... maybe for human evolution who knows. any thoughts are welcome
@brycehoff satan was an angel in heaven who tried to act as God and was thrown out. the third of the angels followed satan becoming demons. there is no answer to why God did what he did and how he did it.
bottom line is this. God sent his word, died on the cross for us and either we accept him or we dont. that simple. but the world cant say they didnt have a chance at salvation.
@721rem ill pull a Mark on you. ur assuming i havent studied the bible, so "ur Judging" besides the bible can be interpreted in many different ways, how about i give u a lil knowladge about ur religion u like most Christians dont know. first off Christianity has more denominations in its own faith then any other religion (over 22,000) so until u can come to a consciousness in ur own religion plz, plz dont try and preach to me, u ppl cant even make up ur own minds about what u believe.
@brycehoff i cant speak for them. I follow acts 2:4, 2:38, as far as salvation goes. i believe in the word of God. anyone who does anything contrary to what the word says is in err. I dont follow pastors and churches, I follow God and has shoen me alot of things. he has mercy. you do what you will. and i never said nor did i assume you didnt study your bible.
@721rem also the bible im sure u know has many different translations, also i believe in GOD, but that doesn't mean i have to believe everything u believe, do i believe Jesus died for our sins, i dont know, should i go to "Hell" for not knowing something, No. and if ur god sends u to hell for not knowing something, then we believe in 2 different gods, and if thats the case u can keep urs because thats not a god i would follow anyway. my God does jus fine for me. i dont believe in hell
@brycehoff many translations but only one doctrine sent by the lord. and now you HAVE heard the gospel so you DO know about it but you still choose to believe what you want and so you will be without excuse. ppl have died here on earth because of lack of knowledge. ppl on 9/11 didnt KNOW they were gonna be hit by planes, ppl in miniapolis dint KNOW that bridge was going to collapse and they died. but God gave his bible, tv, computers, churches so that man WILL KNOW . but its up to you all.
@721rem and i dont believe in Satan, if u do good for u... ur saying i need to do my research, how do u think i came across this debate? by doing research, i think Mark makes good valid points but it doesnt mean i have to agree with them, should i go to hell for that to? No. ur assuming i dont know about religion, yet ive studied different religions from an unbiased point of view for no other reason but to get a better understanding, all u probably know is ur own religion and shut
@brycehoff well, you're not arguing with me, you're argueing with God. he said what he said. its him you will have to take it up with. one lord, one faith, one baptism ephesians 4:4. its sad that ppl dont believe in satan, its the reason satan remains powerful on our world, unbelief of him. all God wanted was to save man and all man does is tell God what he should do. mock the church and mock God. cant say he didnt give you a chance.
@721rem every other one down with out the slightest though of increasing ur knowladge or to get a better understanding, yet on the same hand u would condemn others without understanding where they come from or their beliefs.
also he goes on to say that GOD came on a rescue mission as Jesus to save us from sin, death, folly and ultimately from Satan. My problem with that statement is why would an all powerful GOD who can do anything need to come in the form of a man to save us from those things when he could have just as easily never created the concepts of evil, sin, and Satan in the first place, or just as easily wiped those concepts from the human mind, if GOD created those concepts in the first place then why
@brycehoff you cannot get everytthing in one segment, try attending bible classes, watch tct, go online and ask questions and pray and read and ask God to open your eyes. thats what bible classes are for. to go more in depth about the word and to get more understanding. now that we have computers, google, ipads, and tevo and cable, there is no excuse for man to say God didnt give us a chance.
satan is a disceiver and doesnt want you making the rapture.
@721rem good books to read "if u like to do research" is "GOD is not ONE" or "Religious Literacy" by Stephen Prothero that will help expand ur understanding about different religions instead of just ur own
@brycehoff first off christianity is NOT a "religion". it is a relationship with the lord and the plan of salvation. secondly, it isnt "mine" it's what the lord sent in his word.
@721rem whether u want to admit it or not, Christianity is apart of organized religion, i always fine it quite humors when ppl try to say it isnt. by definition it can also be defined as a cult. and as sad as it is for u that ppl dont believe in Satan its jus as sad for me that ppl do, its not disbelief in Satan that keeps him powerful its the belief in him that makes him powerful, by believing in something u give it power because u make it real. if God wanted to save man, man would be
@721rem saved, for a God i dont think that would be so hard to do, who is telling God what to do and who is mocking the church or God? and ur damn right i do have a choice to believe what i want, unlike u im not goin to burn in hell for that, u might have guilt for what u believe but i dont, thats ur problem. its funny u say u dont follow pastors and churches yet u keep preaching like u are one and we're in one. and u implied that i didnt know the bible by telling me to go to bible
@721rem classes & to do research, u dont know what i know or dont know to imply anything. u believe what u believe because of the time and place u were born, its that simple, if u were born pre Christian time ud prob believe Zeus, or Horus or Isis. if u were born in China ud be Buddhist, India ud be Hindu in Israel ud be Islamic, so again plz stop trying to preach when ur own "RELIGION" or "CULT" cant make up its mind, come back when ur faith gets it act together, then u can preach 2 me
@721rem and Carlton said it best, God didnt write the bible man wrote it about God as best as they could perceive God, but the finite can not perceive the infinite. ill even solidify may point, books in the bible were named after the "MEN" that wrote them. u say its the word of God as if God himself wrote it, yet that isnt the case, its a well know fact that man wrote and rewrote the bible, the bible u prob follow is the King James version, how is that more accurate the older versions? what
@721rem about all the books left out of the bible? should u jus disregardful those as if they have no significance, i bet u haven't even looked into them, the dead sea scrolls, the book of Enoch. i have and im not even Christian. and yet when i debate Christians i end up knowing more about their religion then they do, funny how that works
I like how mark says "everything god made, he declared to be very good" but then goes on to contradict his statement by saying "and all that is very bad is because of sin". if god created everything including the concept of "sin" and "evil" then wouldn't it be logical to assume that nothing is bad, or that sin and evil is good, based off his statement?
...can't believe it but I actually agree with most of what Chopra,the charlatan, has said here! I guess he's sounding pretty reasonable next to preaching pastor and hookers for Jesus founder.
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@psychedellic420 It is not wrong for questioning what you were brought up to beleive in, if you read my post it was mainly directed at people who were coming here and insulting christians who commented.
@whitelakedan you are consumed by scientific belief and facts. Science is one of the most unreliable things on earth. If there is no god, what can "science" tell us about earths creation? Hundreds of years ago "science" told us that the earth was flat and that it was the center of the solar system. God is the only logical explanation for all creation.
@trumpetdude654 Science has already told us about Earth's creation. The Earth accreted out of the solar nebula about 4.54 billion years ago. Science has known that the Earth is round for as long as there has been science. The Ancient Greeks as early as Pythagoras knew that the Earth was round. Eratosthenes even measured the circumference of the Earth in 240 BCE. It was religion that said that the Earth is flat and it was religion that said that the Earth is the center of the universe.
@PaulBritton I agree! Hippos have been given a tough time as of late, being blamed for the economic collapse etc. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR PUTTING A HIPPO IN CHARGE PEOPLE
of Course it's Satan so why would a "man of the cloth" wearing a white collar, selling many gospel albums, so called preaching and teaching the gospel will sit on a stage in front of all of America and other countries the same people he sang in front of and preached in front of and say that Satan does not exist is puzzling to me.
because in verse 10 he calls him out by name when He said "Get thee hence, Satan" also in Matthew chapter 12 the Pharasees were accusing Jesus of casting out demons by Beelzebub the prince of devils. Meaning that there must have been some ruler over those demons and that there is a ranking system in Satan's kingdom. The meaning of Beelzebub is the cheif devil. And who is that?
How can you say that you have preached the word of God and do not believe that Satan exists? how can you say that you have casted out demons and not believe that Satan exists.If you have preached the word of God and know every aspect of it you cannot leave out the 4th chapter of Matthew where Jesus himself had an encounter with Satan.
I cannot believe every single one of you that came here and commented saying that Satan does not exist and that all christians are stupid because we believe in the Bible. First off, you people are being hippo critical, why are you even here if you don't believe in Spiritual beings? Don't tell me you were interested; you wouldn't have bothered to write a comment then. Really, all of you who are trying to insult christians are just a bunch of idiots who want to destroy other peopls faith.
@FlamesEverlasting Hypocritical :) and don't call them idiots as a christian, they're just trying to prove themselves right, but the fact they are here is evidence they are not sure. As only a few of us are.
@rocaho001 No one is "sure" of anything, people believe in things. Math and science are arguably the only things we can be "sure" about, and even then, we deduce these things with our 5 senses, and that in itself is problematic, as that's all we base our understanding of reality off of. It's just like Plato's cave.
oh yes, just so you know all religion doesnt say that the earth was flat. surprise, surprise.... the bible actually says that "[God] sits above the circle of the Earth..." we can take that as a sphere, people in that time wouldnt have known what a 'sphere' is, or maybe its a mistranslation. I also cannot remember that the Bible says the earth is at the center of the universe. Other religions might, but christianity doesnt. Please dont generalize religion.
@FlamesEverlasting Flat Earthism and Geocentrism have traditionally been based on the Bible. It is motivated by verses such as 1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable." and verses referring to a vault of heaven over the Earth. Galileo got into a bit of trouble with The Church in the 17th Century when he questioned whether the Earth is the immobile center of the Universe.
The same reason people stand up against any form of oppressive, deceitful, preferably unquestionable ideas of any human or supposed god and the organizations which foster them.
Well, certainly you are a prime example of why... to reduce people's tendencies to believe nonsense. So we can actually all work together to progresses everyone's well-being.
We have plenty of problems to solve, and religion and many other fantasies are failed ideologies.
@DeconversionCentral I'd like to ask you, how is christianity 'deceitful', or 'oppresive'? Granted, the crusaders weren't the nicest people around, but nowhere in the Bible did it say to do something of the sort. I don't care if you beleive what I beleive is nonsense, i dont care if you think religion is a fantasy either, but how is christianity detrimental to humanity? How does christianity hinder progress to general well-being? If anything, i'd say it says we should work towards it.
Do you read the Bible? What are the mandates of Christianity's core precepts?
The FIRST FOUR of the 10 Commandments refer strictly to worshiping with complete and utter devotional service. (Do you understand what allowed such leaders such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Crusaders, Most and all early Church Fathers etc?) Answer - unquestionable devotions+
The next FIVE only state what is found in all socially productive population, long before Yahweh was ever imagined.
Is it just coincidental that all tyrannical governments, dictators etc... uses the same messages as that expressed by Christianity, as Jesus uses extortion John 3:16, no different then a mob boss expecting payment for his protection from his own infliction on you?
Is it coincidental that the LEAST religious nations are the MOST peaceful, and EVERY highly religious nation are all the MOST violent?
Should we lie to people for the comforts of some, and punishing those who resist?
@DeconversionCentral Meh, could you rephrase the second paragraph? Me no understand :(. as for the last part, if christianity were true (just pretend it was even if you don't beleive it), wouldn't that mean those core concepts are there since God ingrained that into his people?
HIGH religious nation = HIGH violence + LESS peaceful
LOW religious nations = LOW violence + MORE peaceful
JOHN 3:16 (Accept me or perish) = EXTORTION; intimidating a person by violence, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like.
Christianity = Myth + Belief = SELF DECEPTION / or charlatan; a person who pretends or claims to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses; quack.
HIGHLY religious nation = many HIGHLY religious ppl. (same for the LOW)
dont get it messed up, please.
John 3:16 "“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." It does not threat you, it just states what will ahppen if you don't accept Jesus. -- like saying "If you dont get your finger out of that flame, your finger will burn."
@Flame Most people don't read the Bible, they will criticize it. Watch John Macarthur's interview with Chopak. Chopak is of pagan roots, if you listen to him he says 'His Belief." He is not God but speaks like he has that authority to give people direction. Where does he get '\His Belief." obviously not from God, because God already gave the world a direction to have faith in the finished work of the cross. Chopak said he is a profit, not prophet, jokingly once and that is what he is.
@FlamesEverlasting i know ur comment doesn't pertain to me and i don't mean to point out the obvious, but arent u urself being a hypocrite by complaining about ppl saying "Christians are stupid for what they believe" then turning around and calling those ppl idiots?
It takes a very.... very long time to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and to fully accept him in to your heart and to turn away from your sins that separates you from him...God was eternally humble and gracious on Calvary..the true body of God(Jesus Christ) Ill tell you this...please be as God was and be enternally patient,humble,forgivening,andgracious and must fight help to save those from bondage and fight the manifestation of energy of the ENEMY(SATAN/DEVIL) andhisarmyofdemons
@AGENTOFTHEONETRUEGOD not that long, all we want is actual prof (meaning him showing up today and proving his the messiah, after all his immortal). Allow me to point out this site department.monm(.)edu/classics/courses/clas230/mythdocuments/heropattern/default.htm its pretty interesting since every one on the list has the exact same history of life (some even older than Jesus Christ), are you gonna say the devil made up those stories (which is famous all over the world)?
@Polyfusia Says a person incapable of creating a functioning computer without going to a store to buy a part that someone else, who is part of a much bigger, much better enterprise than you are a part of, designed to coddle your need to post on Youtube. Pretentious prick.
@shadowmyfeet Are you capable of creating a functional computer? How about single handedly obtaining the materials? You just posted a comment on YouTube about my need to comment on YouTube, and then said I can't build computers by myself, which you also can't. Who's the prick?
@shadowmyfeet I saw your glaringly hypocritical comment, and spent two seconds eviscerating you. You're one of these hostile internet narcissists who think they're superhuman just because they own a vocabulary. You may be bright, but you aren't enormously special, especially if you spend a lot of time getting off on superiority trips with people on YouTube.
Do take note of the fact that your "you huffed in your chair and responded" comment was a response to my comment.
@Polyfusia Mmm I debated responding or not, but I will. You're right, I am a bit of a narcissist, but I don't think I'm superhuman. I just get bored and feel like attacking people sometimes, but I am also mature enough to thank you for pointing out I have a gift, and sorry if I actually offended you. Really, I just screw around a lot because its the internet. If I'm in the mood I sink my teeth into people but.. I'm not really hostile all the time.. just at times. I won't flip on you anymore tho.
When you don't understand or know exactly who Satan, the Devil (Opposer, Slanderer) is and how he operates then he is nothing but a mythological character. This is part of his design. When you do not believe he exists, then he has accomplished his main goal towards you now doubting the Holy Scriptures and the existence of a Creator. Now, however, all bad cannot be attributed to him. His masterpiece of deception is the accomplishing of 'good' to distract and deceive in the End of Days.
ha ha ha !!! What a joke. Of course, Satan exists. He exists just like Santa Claus, Zeus, the Tooth Fairy and that thing called god exist. Like them, he sure does "exist" but like them, he ain't real people. Deal with it.
Picture such a question being posed at a science convention. Exactly.
Ok, first of all, one cannot say that there is zero evidence for God. That is an ignorant statement. There is tons of evidence, but you just dismiss it because you don't care about evidence. No evidence will ever be good enough for you because if there is a God that has severe consequences.
What an elaborate analysis of the video! How about you actually take some time to educate yourself rather than being so dismissive. You may even learn a thing or two.
Learn a thing or two? About an entity which there is zero evidence for?
Education is the primary reason that people no longer give credence to such ideas. We now know a whole host of things that we didnt know before, which we once attributed to being the work of satan.
These nonsense ideas should only be met with dismissal and ridicule...
Education is the primary reason eh? So you're saying there are no educated Christians? Ever heard of William Lane Craig or C.S Lewis or Ravi Zacharias or....I think you get my point.
I must confess did almost laugh when I hear a Calvinist like Pastor Driscoll started talking about humans having free will. Perhaps it's my own stupidity but I don't understand how they think they can have their cake and eat it.
First Time that i like what Chopra said , is good to share your worst part in order to be know , the problem is that there is so much hypocrisy we talk about our instincts.
Because there is evil in the world. Why is there floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, plagues, etc? Nature. Why are there serial killers, rapists, tyrants, etc? Flawed psychology and philosophy.
Is there some malevolent force that forces things to be evil? No, and if you think there is, provide evidence.
@seanthedonconsidine Not intending to come across as being combative my friend, but your first statement regarding evil is simply tauatological (or a truism at best). Your second is an attempt to shift the burden of proof from your own claim that Satan does not exist. You made the claim, you have to provide proof of such a thing.
@SentinelConvergence No, it's not "tautological". Nature is responsible for natural catastrophes, and flawed psychology/philosophy is responsible for human evil. That's not tautological, that's called a natural explanation.
It's not a positive claim. I don't believe satan exists because I have seen no evidence for his existence, there is no reason for me to believe that he exists.
You claim you don't want to be combative, but (poorly) attacking somebody's points is at least confrontational.
@seanthedonconsidine "Why is there evil in the world. Because there is evil in the world." This is a redundant use of language whatever way we look at it, thus the statement is tautological, at least in a rheotorical sense.
Indeed, if there is no evidence there is no reason to believe in such an entity. Equally there is no reason to deny that being's existence outright because of said lack of evidence, that'd be nothing more than an argument from ignorance.
@SentinelConvergence That statement was a mistake, yes. I meant that evil exists simply because of nature and an individual's flawed psychology, that's all. No, it's not tautological.
I never said that the devil doesn't exist 100%, I said that there is no reason to believe in the devil's existence, so...why should we give the idea any credence? Do you deny the existence of the Loch Ness monster? No, but you don't have any reason to believe in it, so you don't give the idea any credence.
@seanthedonconsidine That's what I was attempting to clarify, whether it was a typing error or not.
I would agree that without evidence or reason to suppose Satan or some other supernatural, malevolent entity exists we shouldn't suppose it does. "Does Satan exist? No." Such a statement would at least appear to be a denial of Satan's existence. Without any evidence either way, the only intellectually honest thing for us to do would be to suspend judgement regarding such entities' existence.
@SentinelConvergence I don't think so, I think you're trying to be a wise-ass and failing at it.
"Does Satan exist? No." merely means that "we don't have any evidence for him, so we have no reason to believe he exists, so why even consider the idea?"
I must ask you, do you believe in the tooth fairy? Santa Claus? Zeus? There is no evidence for their existence, but there isn't any evidence AGAINST their existence, so should you suspend judgement regarding their existence as well?
@seanthedonconsidine "we don't have any evidence for him, so we have no reason to believe he exists, so why even consider the idea?" The simple answer would be to attempt to find truth, the fact that a claim appears outrageous is a bad reason to ignore it.
Your snide remarks aside, the simple answer to your question is yes, I do suspend judgement about the existence of such entities. I do not believe in them but I do not deny them because I can't, I lack the knowledge necessary to do so.
@SentinelConvergence There's a difference between seeking objective truth, and considering the possibility of ridiculous supernatural claims that have no merit or validity whatsoever.
You have put yourself in the unfortunate position of having to consider the idea of the tooth fairy as a possibly existing entity in reality.
The reason why we don't give such ridiculous ideas credence is, there's simply no reason to, unless we have been shown evidence to give them any credence, which we haven't.
either the devil dosent exist,or is completly powerless.to quote bill hicks''who can dispute Gods will?''answer no one lol ,also if a whole third of the angels decided to leave then heaven must have been a pretty crappy place.the devil brings up far too many contadictions in christianity.i think people choose to do good ,or evil things at thier own free will.im agnostic though so whatever lol
@noobHNTer Yeah Bill Hicks pointed out the ridiculous notion of Satan, that something can challenge the almighty, Just god....and live to tell about it. lol
Worlds religions all have a system of works by which your system of works is a way to reach God, Christianity tell you that works are useless in bringing you to God.you cannot trust in your own works. With faith and believing and trusting in Him can be complete for the work of salvation...
@MetulManiac Nope not really.... they just have to be reasonable and rational and if they prove me wrong good... I try not to hold on to any idea stubbornly if it is proven wrong and irrational.
@ClintSevilla thats amusing, but unfortunately we are dealing with religion here. You can no more disprove than prove Satan. This argument is for Christians, and the arguments should be biblical. If you aren't a Christian than why watch this video?
@MetulManiac If you go on the logic "if it can't be disproved than it must exist" that means you believe in everything that anyone tells you because nothing can be completely disproved. Example: Zeus can not be fully disproved only said to be extremely unlikely. Like Santa Clause or Big foot... nothing is really absolute, but some things are consistent like mathematics. A good debate around this topic is Chris Hedges vs Sam Harris.
@MetulManiac It has an opposition of religion and Christian point of view... Also I highly recommend any Sam Harris debate or talk. He clearly states his argument and gets to the point.
@ClintSevilla I fail to see what a nonbeliever could possibly contribute to this debate. It is altogether meaningless. The main issue behind this debate is the resurgance church trying to cowtow to you nonbelievers and remove hell and all the uncomfortable things in the bible to water it down into nothing. Thats what the argument is about. A nonbeliever brings nothing to this argument and has no place if he or she cannot respect the ideologies involved.
Earth was made for humans, so the fact that God allowed Satan to be on earth and tempt us brings us back to the point that driscoll already answered.
God wants true choice to love. He does not want to have robots who love him. That is what is unique in us compared to plants and animals. We are self aware, and we have the CHOICE to do evil or choose to love God.
@ronhudsonjr "That does not make God evil" I did not say god was evil, obviously you think he is evil. I said nothing about it, I'm following the story we are supposed to believe. "we have the CHOICE" EXACTLY, so why punish people who make mistakes by murdering them in armageddon? If god made us to be free and have choice then why do we need religion to tell us what and how to live our life, from a book in which they have NONE of the original copies. Youtube: "misquoting jesus" This film exposes
@ronhudsonjr yeah, its ok to play games with humans and watch them suffer while your god sits on his azz. Its like me having a child and telling all of his offspring that I am going to torture them and make them grow old and die because of what my first child did? it makes no sense to me. But this is my opinion, if god is love he would understand our frustrations and differences and save everyone from bad. But to believe he will blow up everyone else but YOUR FAITH is radical.
No i dont think God is evil, you were saying hes un loving so i assumed you were also saying hes evil, which is what alot of non believers say.
Its not RELIGION that saves, or "belonging" to a religion, its the REDEMPTIO nof Jesus Christ. Jesus was a rebel to alot of the religious leaders of back then. christianity is freedom and redemption, not living a religious lifestyle. And no i dont believe hes going to blow everyone else up.
While God sits on his ass? have you not heard of the Cross? He was tortured, laughed at, spit on, beaten, and then crucified FOR us. For the very evil and sin we commit against him. He is INFINITELY compassionate, given that Christianity is true, which i strongly believe it is.
So a big part of the cross is not just the forgiveness, but that HE felt pain, when he didnt have to. He COULD have sat on his ass, but he DIDNT. He came down and felt the human emotions that we feel
@ronhudsonjr Then why did jesus go back to heaven, it defeats the whole purpose. He was in heaven he comes down dies and goes right back. WOW, thanks!! And we are still going to die, get old, and life will continue on. I would not sit back and let people suffer just because of something someone else did a log time ago, that in my opinion is foolish and is not loving at all. Especially if have the power to change things. Its lie watching an old lady get beat up and then saying " I have an..
@ronhudsonjr "I have an appointed time to save you don't worry" And then your probably going to respond my making an excuse like: " your not god so you don't know" or " God is not as bad as you are making him to be" ect... I'm sorry but your god is messed up. And then the whole story of adam and eve, and god killing everything but a few people (if you believe that hogwash) even killing babies and other animals. And then the excuses start again " God warned the people" I'm sorry but, I'm more..
@ronhudsonjr I'm more moral then god if you think killing everything under the sun for not believing in something. If my child makes a mistake do I torture him and then strangle him/her to death? According to your god, that is the right thing to do. Its the whole idea of I put you into this world and I can take you out. Isn't that loving, standing ovation for the murderer aka god. When did satan kill anyone in the bible?
well first off, if satan had enough power over us, he would kill everyone who was destined to hell.
But God would not let satan kill us. Rest assured, he would if he could.
2nd, im not a young earther, so i dont take the genesis story as a literal occurance, but i do believe we chose evil instead of good, and we are no longer perfect because of it.
Children dying is cruel because in your worldview, thats all there is. But in the spiritual realm, they are in paradise with GOD
And your argument is basically, that because you dont LIKE something then its not true.
Sorry but it doesnt work that way. If i dont like gravity because i fell and hit my head, doesnt make gravity not real.
You want to make God into what YOUR idea of God is. But guess what? Me and you are just 2 out of over 6 billion, GOD is going to be who he is as the eternal omniscient being he is, not what YOU or I want.
im not a hypocrite, i dont claim to know 100% that hell exists. But not only do i believe it because of my faith in the Bible, there is logical, real reasons to believe it. Testimonials of people dying and coming back to life are a good testament to the fact that there IS an afterlife, many of the stories being of hell.
And if you think its just crazy dreams, you havnt read the testimonials. A book called "beyond deaths door" is a good example full of them, written by a cardiologist who was converted when he saw people die on the operating table and tell the stories when they came back.
Exactly. They are stories, nothing more than that. What's your point? Many have claimed to have seen this and that and written it in their books. If those mythical stories are your "real" and "logical" reasons to prove the existence of hell, then you are more foolish than you let on. You can believe in hell all you want, just don't claim it to be a fact because you read some "stories".
not stories, eye witness testimonies. And from the actual doctor who was convinced enough by his patients, that there is a heaven and a hell. You saying hes a dumb guy? I think becoming a cardiologist requires some intelligence.
Read the book. If you refuse to then you cant comment on the testimonies. Its like saying a movie sucks when you havnt seen it.
@ronhudsonjr eye witness ? what a load of bullshit, I say Prove It ! There's a few people who wrote the bible based on STORIES that people have eye witnessed stuff. Also the bible was written like 100 years+ after the events took place so how could it be eye witnesses? lol... There's also a great reason to why hell can not exist. It claims to be pains and suffering there, eternal torture, pain is only possible physically, pain comes from the nerve systems in your flesh and blood body.
Your assertion about pain and the physical realm would have to first KNOW that there is no soul, and the soul is not part of us. How do you know the soul has no pain? How do you know about the spirtiual realm?
You want to talk about the validity of the Bible? How about the hundreds of prophecies that have been fulfilled? How about the amazing accuracy predicting Jesus' life and death over 600 years BEFORE he was even alive?
@ronhudsonjr "cough" sorry, but I'm allergic to bullshit. Please provide the evidence for these "prophecies", I've seen a lot of them and all I've seen so far are total bullshit. The reason why I can say there can't be pain in the "afterlife" (if there is one) is because pain is bound to the physical body. The nerve system, the brain, all the physical things are required for pain to exist. I've actually got a video in my favourites explaining it pretty well, check it out.
i understand your point but like i said, how do you know these things cannot exist in the spiritual realm? You are assuming you already know there is no such thing, which is bad philosophy.
One of the top of my head is In the Old testament, it was said that the jews would have their nation reconstructed so they once again had a dwelling place. And in 1948 that one came true.
This is just one example, that you will probably assume is coincidence. So i suggest researching some more
@ronhudsonjr no I'm not really.. I'm only saying "spiritual".. we all know that's not physical right? And pain is bound to the physical body.. it's pretty obvious. I wouldn't say it's a great prophecy to say that in 2000 years the jews got their place again, of course it would've had to happen some time (at least the chance for it is very big).
Christians Are Dreamers Deepak Got It Right
Barrypful 2 weeks ago
Only idiots don't believe in God, anyone who's ever had a child, who's has an IQ over 85, knows that God exists.
gnieoalo92 1 month ago
I didn't know steven colbert did serious interviews.
gnieoalo92 1 month ago
Satan's biggest trick was convincing the world he didn't exist.
bammc1 1 month ago
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@bammc1 If Satan's biggest trick was convincing the world he didn't exist... why do over 70% of americans believe in him? Doesn't seem like a big trick to me
lyr1kz 1 month ago
would he need to save us from them., which goes back to my first post, if everything GOD created is good then the concepts themselves must be good... maybe for human evolution who knows. any thoughts are welcome
brycehoff 2 months ago
@brycehoff satan was an angel in heaven who tried to act as God and was thrown out. the third of the angels followed satan becoming demons. there is no answer to why God did what he did and how he did it.
bottom line is this. God sent his word, died on the cross for us and either we accept him or we dont. that simple. but the world cant say they didnt have a chance at salvation.
721rem 2 months ago
@721rem ill pull a Mark on you. ur assuming i havent studied the bible, so "ur Judging" besides the bible can be interpreted in many different ways, how about i give u a lil knowladge about ur religion u like most Christians dont know. first off Christianity has more denominations in its own faith then any other religion (over 22,000) so until u can come to a consciousness in ur own religion plz, plz dont try and preach to me, u ppl cant even make up ur own minds about what u believe.
brycehoff 2 months ago
@brycehoff i cant speak for them. I follow acts 2:4, 2:38, as far as salvation goes. i believe in the word of God. anyone who does anything contrary to what the word says is in err. I dont follow pastors and churches, I follow God and has shoen me alot of things. he has mercy. you do what you will. and i never said nor did i assume you didnt study your bible.
721rem 2 months ago
@721rem also the bible im sure u know has many different translations, also i believe in GOD, but that doesn't mean i have to believe everything u believe, do i believe Jesus died for our sins, i dont know, should i go to "Hell" for not knowing something, No. and if ur god sends u to hell for not knowing something, then we believe in 2 different gods, and if thats the case u can keep urs because thats not a god i would follow anyway. my God does jus fine for me. i dont believe in hell
brycehoff 2 months ago
@brycehoff many translations but only one doctrine sent by the lord. and now you HAVE heard the gospel so you DO know about it but you still choose to believe what you want and so you will be without excuse. ppl have died here on earth because of lack of knowledge. ppl on 9/11 didnt KNOW they were gonna be hit by planes, ppl in miniapolis dint KNOW that bridge was going to collapse and they died. but God gave his bible, tv, computers, churches so that man WILL KNOW . but its up to you all.
721rem 2 months ago
@721rem and i dont believe in Satan, if u do good for u... ur saying i need to do my research, how do u think i came across this debate? by doing research, i think Mark makes good valid points but it doesnt mean i have to agree with them, should i go to hell for that to? No. ur assuming i dont know about religion, yet ive studied different religions from an unbiased point of view for no other reason but to get a better understanding, all u probably know is ur own religion and shut
brycehoff 2 months ago
@brycehoff well, you're not arguing with me, you're argueing with God. he said what he said. its him you will have to take it up with. one lord, one faith, one baptism ephesians 4:4. its sad that ppl dont believe in satan, its the reason satan remains powerful on our world, unbelief of him. all God wanted was to save man and all man does is tell God what he should do. mock the church and mock God. cant say he didnt give you a chance.
721rem 2 months ago
@721rem every other one down with out the slightest though of increasing ur knowladge or to get a better understanding, yet on the same hand u would condemn others without understanding where they come from or their beliefs.
brycehoff 2 months ago
also he goes on to say that GOD came on a rescue mission as Jesus to save us from sin, death, folly and ultimately from Satan. My problem with that statement is why would an all powerful GOD who can do anything need to come in the form of a man to save us from those things when he could have just as easily never created the concepts of evil, sin, and Satan in the first place, or just as easily wiped those concepts from the human mind, if GOD created those concepts in the first place then why
brycehoff 2 months ago
@brycehoff you cannot get everytthing in one segment, try attending bible classes, watch tct, go online and ask questions and pray and read and ask God to open your eyes. thats what bible classes are for. to go more in depth about the word and to get more understanding. now that we have computers, google, ipads, and tevo and cable, there is no excuse for man to say God didnt give us a chance.
satan is a disceiver and doesnt want you making the rapture.
721rem 2 months ago
@721rem good books to read "if u like to do research" is "GOD is not ONE" or "Religious Literacy" by Stephen Prothero that will help expand ur understanding about different religions instead of just ur own
brycehoff 2 months ago
@brycehoff first off christianity is NOT a "religion". it is a relationship with the lord and the plan of salvation. secondly, it isnt "mine" it's what the lord sent in his word.
721rem 2 months ago
@721rem whether u want to admit it or not, Christianity is apart of organized religion, i always fine it quite humors when ppl try to say it isnt. by definition it can also be defined as a cult. and as sad as it is for u that ppl dont believe in Satan its jus as sad for me that ppl do, its not disbelief in Satan that keeps him powerful its the belief in him that makes him powerful, by believing in something u give it power because u make it real. if God wanted to save man, man would be
brycehoff 2 months ago
@721rem saved, for a God i dont think that would be so hard to do, who is telling God what to do and who is mocking the church or God? and ur damn right i do have a choice to believe what i want, unlike u im not goin to burn in hell for that, u might have guilt for what u believe but i dont, thats ur problem. its funny u say u dont follow pastors and churches yet u keep preaching like u are one and we're in one. and u implied that i didnt know the bible by telling me to go to bible
brycehoff 2 months ago
@721rem classes & to do research, u dont know what i know or dont know to imply anything. u believe what u believe because of the time and place u were born, its that simple, if u were born pre Christian time ud prob believe Zeus, or Horus or Isis. if u were born in China ud be Buddhist, India ud be Hindu in Israel ud be Islamic, so again plz stop trying to preach when ur own "RELIGION" or "CULT" cant make up its mind, come back when ur faith gets it act together, then u can preach 2 me
brycehoff 2 months ago
@brycehoff Israel is Jewish. my mistake for anyone reading this, but u got the point
brycehoff 2 months ago
@721rem and Carlton said it best, God didnt write the bible man wrote it about God as best as they could perceive God, but the finite can not perceive the infinite. ill even solidify may point, books in the bible were named after the "MEN" that wrote them. u say its the word of God as if God himself wrote it, yet that isnt the case, its a well know fact that man wrote and rewrote the bible, the bible u prob follow is the King James version, how is that more accurate the older versions? what
brycehoff 2 months ago
@721rem about all the books left out of the bible? should u jus disregardful those as if they have no significance, i bet u haven't even looked into them, the dead sea scrolls, the book of Enoch. i have and im not even Christian. and yet when i debate Christians i end up knowing more about their religion then they do, funny how that works
brycehoff 2 months ago
I like how mark says "everything god made, he declared to be very good" but then goes on to contradict his statement by saying "and all that is very bad is because of sin". if god created everything including the concept of "sin" and "evil" then wouldn't it be logical to assume that nothing is bad, or that sin and evil is good, based off his statement?
brycehoff 2 months ago
he tore that Christian on stage apart. he sounded like an absolute idiot next to him talking about things he cant even prove
six4boiiii 3 months ago
They should've brought in Richard Dawkins to this so he could've destroyed them.
PrimericanIdol 4 months ago
...can't believe it but I actually agree with most of what Chopra,the charlatan, has said here! I guess he's sounding pretty reasonable next to preaching pastor and hookers for Jesus founder.
nowgleaning 5 months ago
Some people can't live without answers.
RewindPlay89 5 months ago
Chopra pops up in all of this kind of shit.
Resenbrink 6 months ago
Dang, just because you guys are so hateful, it doesn't mean you have to spread it to the world.
qwren23 6 months ago
I am a REAL end time prophet. Jesus and satan is very real!! Keep your faith in Jesus Christ and also understand that satan is roaming the earth... trying to find rebellious souls that will bust hell wide open with him. Repent!!
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BrendaSawJESUS 7 months ago
@psychedellic420 It is not wrong for questioning what you were brought up to beleive in, if you read my post it was mainly directed at people who were coming here and insulting christians who commented.
FlamesEverlasting 7 months ago
Couldn't they find an atheist or a real freethinker for this panel? Ridiculous.
ortcutt 7 months ago
God killed more people in the Old Testament than Satan
outlaw87100 7 months ago
what did satan ever do? I've read the bible and he hardly does any deceiving or acts of violence, so why do people make him out to be the bad guy?
Requiemxtoxinnocence 7 months ago
It's hilarious that people believe in Satan, but don't really know what who...or...IT is.
Well, that because...IT'S MADE UP FOLKS!! It's an ancient myth!!!
Futureplanet 7 months ago
@whitelakedan you are consumed by scientific belief and facts. Science is one of the most unreliable things on earth. If there is no god, what can "science" tell us about earths creation? Hundreds of years ago "science" told us that the earth was flat and that it was the center of the solar system. God is the only logical explanation for all creation.
trumpetdude654 8 months ago
@trumpetdude654 Science has already told us about Earth's creation. The Earth accreted out of the solar nebula about 4.54 billion years ago. Science has known that the Earth is round for as long as there has been science. The Ancient Greeks as early as Pythagoras knew that the Earth was round. Eratosthenes even measured the circumference of the Earth in 240 BCE. It was religion that said that the Earth is flat and it was religion that said that the Earth is the center of the universe.
ortcutt 7 months ago
@ANYONEmusiC how can u say this? Do you even believe in god? No Christian can deny satans existence
trumpetdude654 8 months ago
Ave Satana!! \m/ the white demons are eternal...we will no longer tolerate religion...the jews are not the chosen race of god...
SUICIDEVILONE 9 months ago
YES DEVIL EXCIST..called white people, jews and USA..
taregass 9 months ago
@taregass That's a horrible thing to say.
JesusIsTheAnswer7 9 months ago
@JesusIsTheAnswer7 truth is never easy to swallow.. jesusfreak
taregass 9 months ago
@FlamesEverlasting
Excellent point, well made. People need to give hippos a break.
PaulBritton 11 months ago 16
@PaulBritton I agree! Hippos have been given a tough time as of late, being blamed for the economic collapse etc. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR PUTTING A HIPPO IN CHARGE PEOPLE
Vittel2006 11 months ago
of Course it's Satan so why would a "man of the cloth" wearing a white collar, selling many gospel albums, so called preaching and teaching the gospel will sit on a stage in front of all of America and other countries the same people he sang in front of and preached in front of and say that Satan does not exist is puzzling to me.
Mamameeka09 11 months ago
because in verse 10 he calls him out by name when He said "Get thee hence, Satan" also in Matthew chapter 12 the Pharasees were accusing Jesus of casting out demons by Beelzebub the prince of devils. Meaning that there must have been some ruler over those demons and that there is a ranking system in Satan's kingdom. The meaning of Beelzebub is the cheif devil. And who is that?
Mamameeka09 11 months ago
How can you say that you have preached the word of God and do not believe that Satan exists? how can you say that you have casted out demons and not believe that Satan exists.If you have preached the word of God and know every aspect of it you cannot leave out the 4th chapter of Matthew where Jesus himself had an encounter with Satan.
Mamameeka09 11 months ago
What a silly farce- debating if satan exists is akin to debating if there is an easter bunny.
ANYONEMusiC 11 months ago
I cannot believe every single one of you that came here and commented saying that Satan does not exist and that all christians are stupid because we believe in the Bible. First off, you people are being hippo critical, why are you even here if you don't believe in Spiritual beings? Don't tell me you were interested; you wouldn't have bothered to write a comment then. Really, all of you who are trying to insult christians are just a bunch of idiots who want to destroy other peopls faith.
FlamesEverlasting 11 months ago 3
@FlamesEverlasting Hypocritical :) and don't call them idiots as a christian, they're just trying to prove themselves right, but the fact they are here is evidence they are not sure. As only a few of us are.
rocaho001 11 months ago
@rocaho001 No one is "sure" of anything, people believe in things. Math and science are arguably the only things we can be "sure" about, and even then, we deduce these things with our 5 senses, and that in itself is problematic, as that's all we base our understanding of reality off of. It's just like Plato's cave.
Huffstuff420 7 months ago
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@FlamesEverlasting
"Hippo critical"? There are people criticizing hippos?
tipoomaster 10 months ago 2
@FlamesEverlasting I'm not being "hippo critical". I've never criticized hippos in my life.
ortcutt 7 months ago
@ortcutt all i can say is LOL.
oh yes, just so you know all religion doesnt say that the earth was flat. surprise, surprise.... the bible actually says that "[God] sits above the circle of the Earth..." we can take that as a sphere, people in that time wouldnt have known what a 'sphere' is, or maybe its a mistranslation. I also cannot remember that the Bible says the earth is at the center of the universe. Other religions might, but christianity doesnt. Please dont generalize religion.
FlamesEverlasting 7 months ago
@FlamesEverlasting Flat Earthism and Geocentrism have traditionally been based on the Bible. It is motivated by verses such as 1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable." and verses referring to a vault of heaven over the Earth. Galileo got into a bit of trouble with The Church in the 17th Century when he questioned whether the Earth is the immobile center of the Universe.
ortcutt 6 months ago
@FlamesEverlasting
The same reason people stand up against any form of oppressive, deceitful, preferably unquestionable ideas of any human or supposed god and the organizations which foster them.
Well, certainly you are a prime example of why... to reduce people's tendencies to believe nonsense. So we can actually all work together to progresses everyone's well-being.
We have plenty of problems to solve, and religion and many other fantasies are failed ideologies.
Is there anything else?
DeconversionCentral 5 months ago
@DeconversionCentral I'd like to ask you, how is christianity 'deceitful', or 'oppresive'? Granted, the crusaders weren't the nicest people around, but nowhere in the Bible did it say to do something of the sort. I don't care if you beleive what I beleive is nonsense, i dont care if you think religion is a fantasy either, but how is christianity detrimental to humanity? How does christianity hinder progress to general well-being? If anything, i'd say it says we should work towards it.
FlamesEverlasting 5 months ago
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DeconversionCentral 5 months ago
@FlamesEverlasting
Do you read the Bible? What are the mandates of Christianity's core precepts?
The FIRST FOUR of the 10 Commandments refer strictly to worshiping with complete and utter devotional service. (Do you understand what allowed such leaders such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Crusaders, Most and all early Church Fathers etc?) Answer - unquestionable devotions+
The next FIVE only state what is found in all socially productive population, long before Yahweh was ever imagined.
DeconversionCentral 5 months ago
Is it just coincidental that all tyrannical governments, dictators etc... uses the same messages as that expressed by Christianity, as Jesus uses extortion John 3:16, no different then a mob boss expecting payment for his protection from his own infliction on you?
Is it coincidental that the LEAST religious nations are the MOST peaceful, and EVERY highly religious nation are all the MOST violent?
Should we lie to people for the comforts of some, and punishing those who resist?
There is more.
DeconversionCentral 5 months ago
@DeconversionCentral Meh, could you rephrase the second paragraph? Me no understand :(. as for the last part, if christianity were true (just pretend it was even if you don't beleive it), wouldn't that mean those core concepts are there since God ingrained that into his people?
FlamesEverlasting 5 months ago
@FlamesEverlasting
HIGH religious nation = HIGH violence + LESS peaceful
LOW religious nations = LOW violence + MORE peaceful
JOHN 3:16 (Accept me or perish) = EXTORTION; intimidating a person by violence, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like.
Christianity = Myth + Belief = SELF DECEPTION / or charlatan; a person who pretends or claims to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses; quack.
DeconversionCentral 5 months ago
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QUESTION
You have a Religious terrorist (KNOWS GOD IS ON HIS SIDE)
&
You have Non-theist terrorist (KNOWS HIS LOGIC IS INFALLIBLE)
??? Which "terrorist" would it be easier to convince (help understand) they are wrong???
The KEY is "TANGIBILITY", It can be measured, understood, thus helpful information can be obtained.
Both terrorist are probably unconvinceable, because they believe to "KNOW" = SELF DECEPTION / or charlatan...
DeconversionCentral 5 months ago
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@DeconversionCentral
HIGHLY religious nation = many HIGHLY religious ppl. (same for the LOW)
dont get it messed up, please.
John 3:16 "“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." It does not threat you, it just states what will ahppen if you don't accept Jesus. -- like saying "If you dont get your finger out of that flame, your finger will burn."
kchu0403 3 months ago
@Flame Most people don't read the Bible, they will criticize it. Watch John Macarthur's interview with Chopak. Chopak is of pagan roots, if you listen to him he says 'His Belief." He is not God but speaks like he has that authority to give people direction. Where does he get '\His Belief." obviously not from God, because God already gave the world a direction to have faith in the finished work of the cross. Chopak said he is a profit, not prophet, jokingly once and that is what he is.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@FlamesEverlasting hmmm. that doesnt sound very Christ like of you...
ronc805 3 months ago
@FlamesEverlasting i know ur comment doesn't pertain to me and i don't mean to point out the obvious, but arent u urself being a hypocrite by complaining about ppl saying "Christians are stupid for what they believe" then turning around and calling those ppl idiots?
brycehoff 2 months ago
It takes a very.... very long time to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and to fully accept him in to your heart and to turn away from your sins that separates you from him...God was eternally humble and gracious on Calvary..the true body of God(Jesus Christ) Ill tell you this...please be as God was and be enternally patient,humble,forgivening,andgracious and must fight help to save those from bondage and fight the manifestation of energy of the ENEMY(SATAN/DEVIL) andhisarmyofdemons
AGENTOFTHEONETRUEGOD 1 year ago
@AGENTOFTHEONETRUEGOD not that long, all we want is actual prof (meaning him showing up today and proving his the messiah, after all his immortal). Allow me to point out this site department.monm(.)edu/classics/courses/clas230/mythdocuments/heropattern/default.htm its pretty interesting since every one on the list has the exact same history of life (some even older than Jesus Christ), are you gonna say the devil made up those stories (which is famous all over the world)?
MaxBlight 11 months ago
I;m usually not a big fan of Deepak, but I thought his point was well said
dairic 1 year ago
There is a hierarchy of religious idiocy:
Believing in a personal god - Not that bright,
believing in angels and the devil - retarded
believing in the letter of scripture - demented.
TV stations have a very fine sense for playing to imbeciles, especially in the US. That's what we can witness here.
kFrederking 1 year ago
Human beings are idiots. The fact that this topic is being discussed seriously is proof.
Polyfusia 1 year ago
@Polyfusia Says a person incapable of creating a functioning computer without going to a store to buy a part that someone else, who is part of a much bigger, much better enterprise than you are a part of, designed to coddle your need to post on Youtube. Pretentious prick.
shadowmyfeet 1 year ago
@shadowmyfeet Are you capable of creating a functional computer? How about single handedly obtaining the materials? You just posted a comment on YouTube about my need to comment on YouTube, and then said I can't build computers by myself, which you also can't. Who's the prick?
Polyfusia 1 year ago
@Polyfusia Nice. You did exactly what I wanted you to. Huff in your chair and respond. Thanks for proving you're a tool at my disposal. Goodnight.
shadowmyfeet 1 year ago
@shadowmyfeet I saw your glaringly hypocritical comment, and spent two seconds eviscerating you. You're one of these hostile internet narcissists who think they're superhuman just because they own a vocabulary. You may be bright, but you aren't enormously special, especially if you spend a lot of time getting off on superiority trips with people on YouTube.
Do take note of the fact that your "you huffed in your chair and responded" comment was a response to my comment.
Stop wasting your gifts.
Polyfusia 1 year ago
@Polyfusia Mmm I debated responding or not, but I will. You're right, I am a bit of a narcissist, but I don't think I'm superhuman. I just get bored and feel like attacking people sometimes, but I am also mature enough to thank you for pointing out I have a gift, and sorry if I actually offended you. Really, I just screw around a lot because its the internet. If I'm in the mood I sink my teeth into people but.. I'm not really hostile all the time.. just at times. I won't flip on you anymore tho.
shadowmyfeet 1 year ago
When you don't understand or know exactly who Satan, the Devil (Opposer, Slanderer) is and how he operates then he is nothing but a mythological character. This is part of his design. When you do not believe he exists, then he has accomplished his main goal towards you now doubting the Holy Scriptures and the existence of a Creator. Now, however, all bad cannot be attributed to him. His masterpiece of deception is the accomplishing of 'good' to distract and deceive in the End of Days.
TricyLoveMusic 1 year ago
ha ha ha !!! What a joke. Of course, Satan exists. He exists just like Santa Claus, Zeus, the Tooth Fairy and that thing called god exist. Like them, he sure does "exist" but like them, he ain't real people. Deal with it.
Picture such a question being posed at a science convention. Exactly.
WhiteLakeDan 1 year ago
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WhiteLakeDan 1 year ago
Mark is wrong, Jesus never came to save us he came to bring the truth. "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Gospel of Matthew 10:34)
CLAPmann 1 year ago
Ok, first of all, one cannot say that there is zero evidence for God. That is an ignorant statement. There is tons of evidence, but you just dismiss it because you don't care about evidence. No evidence will ever be good enough for you because if there is a God that has severe consequences.
JonWright101 1 year ago
Let me sum this 10 part video up in one word. - no.
Fibr3Optix 1 year ago
Does anyone take Deepak seriously anymore?
Yanma 1 year ago
I was searching for does santa exsist l
petertheallblack 1 year ago
I meant NOT obesses over sin. Sorry about that. In any event I like the way Depak thinks.
RealTime88 1 year ago
Seriously...this is on nightline....satan? Is this the 21st century?
This is fucking retarded...
DcEatsItsYoung 1 year ago
@DcEatsItsYoung
What an elaborate analysis of the video! How about you actually take some time to educate yourself rather than being so dismissive. You may even learn a thing or two.
kennethv139 1 year ago
@kennethv139
Learn a thing or two? About an entity which there is zero evidence for?
Education is the primary reason that people no longer give credence to such ideas. We now know a whole host of things that we didnt know before, which we once attributed to being the work of satan.
These nonsense ideas should only be met with dismissal and ridicule...
DcEatsItsYoung 1 year ago
@DcEatsItsYoung
Education is the primary reason eh? So you're saying there are no educated Christians? Ever heard of William Lane Craig or C.S Lewis or Ravi Zacharias or....I think you get my point.
kennethv139 4 months ago
Thank You Jesus
travro25 1 year ago
I must confess did almost laugh when I hear a Calvinist like Pastor Driscoll started talking about humans having free will. Perhaps it's my own stupidity but I don't understand how they think they can have their cake and eat it.
SentinelConvergence 1 year ago
First Time that i like what Chopra said , is good to share your worst part in order to be know , the problem is that there is so much hypocrisy we talk about our instincts.
DraskyVanderhoff 1 year ago
Deepak Chopra is actually half making sense here.
Zhejiangopterus 1 year ago 2
@Zhejiangopterus
I only say "half" because he still does ramble and go off topic, but the idea is still there.
Zhejiangopterus 1 year ago
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RealTime88 1 year ago
This a silly question. They should have invited Satan at least to discuss this.
Btw. Satan is a fictional character invented by the greeks and comes from the unerworld through a vulcano. It´s a kind of fire elemental.
The christians recycled him.
pcuimac 1 year ago
this is an awesome debate: Douchebags vs Douchebags
friendlycakeasaurus 1 year ago
Does Satan exist?
No.
Why is there evil in the world?
Because there is evil in the world. Why is there floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, plagues, etc? Nature. Why are there serial killers, rapists, tyrants, etc? Flawed psychology and philosophy.
Is there some malevolent force that forces things to be evil? No, and if you think there is, provide evidence.
seanthedonconsidine 1 year ago
@seanthedonconsidine Not intending to come across as being combative my friend, but your first statement regarding evil is simply tauatological (or a truism at best). Your second is an attempt to shift the burden of proof from your own claim that Satan does not exist. You made the claim, you have to provide proof of such a thing.
SentinelConvergence 1 year ago
@SentinelConvergence No, it's not "tautological". Nature is responsible for natural catastrophes, and flawed psychology/philosophy is responsible for human evil. That's not tautological, that's called a natural explanation.
It's not a positive claim. I don't believe satan exists because I have seen no evidence for his existence, there is no reason for me to believe that he exists.
You claim you don't want to be combative, but (poorly) attacking somebody's points is at least confrontational.
seanthedonconsidine 1 year ago
@seanthedonconsidine "Why is there evil in the world. Because there is evil in the world." This is a redundant use of language whatever way we look at it, thus the statement is tautological, at least in a rheotorical sense.
Indeed, if there is no evidence there is no reason to believe in such an entity. Equally there is no reason to deny that being's existence outright because of said lack of evidence, that'd be nothing more than an argument from ignorance.
SentinelConvergence 1 year ago
@SentinelConvergence That statement was a mistake, yes. I meant that evil exists simply because of nature and an individual's flawed psychology, that's all. No, it's not tautological.
I never said that the devil doesn't exist 100%, I said that there is no reason to believe in the devil's existence, so...why should we give the idea any credence? Do you deny the existence of the Loch Ness monster? No, but you don't have any reason to believe in it, so you don't give the idea any credence.
seanthedonconsidine 1 year ago
@seanthedonconsidine That's what I was attempting to clarify, whether it was a typing error or not.
I would agree that without evidence or reason to suppose Satan or some other supernatural, malevolent entity exists we shouldn't suppose it does. "Does Satan exist? No." Such a statement would at least appear to be a denial of Satan's existence. Without any evidence either way, the only intellectually honest thing for us to do would be to suspend judgement regarding such entities' existence.
SentinelConvergence 1 year ago
@SentinelConvergence I don't think so, I think you're trying to be a wise-ass and failing at it.
"Does Satan exist? No." merely means that "we don't have any evidence for him, so we have no reason to believe he exists, so why even consider the idea?"
I must ask you, do you believe in the tooth fairy? Santa Claus? Zeus? There is no evidence for their existence, but there isn't any evidence AGAINST their existence, so should you suspend judgement regarding their existence as well?
seanthedonconsidine 1 year ago
@seanthedonconsidine "we don't have any evidence for him, so we have no reason to believe he exists, so why even consider the idea?" The simple answer would be to attempt to find truth, the fact that a claim appears outrageous is a bad reason to ignore it.
Your snide remarks aside, the simple answer to your question is yes, I do suspend judgement about the existence of such entities. I do not believe in them but I do not deny them because I can't, I lack the knowledge necessary to do so.
SentinelConvergence 1 year ago
@SentinelConvergence There's a difference between seeking objective truth, and considering the possibility of ridiculous supernatural claims that have no merit or validity whatsoever.
You have put yourself in the unfortunate position of having to consider the idea of the tooth fairy as a possibly existing entity in reality.
The reason why we don't give such ridiculous ideas credence is, there's simply no reason to, unless we have been shown evidence to give them any credence, which we haven't.
seanthedonconsidine 1 year ago
Does Satan exist?
No.
Show over, roll credits.
Kergillian 1 year ago
Why is there so much pain, suffering and violence in the world? How about human natures best attribute is what were good at making things that hurt
ErPo321 1 year ago
he is Obama
sirexium 1 year ago
either the devil dosent exist,or is completly powerless.to quote bill hicks''who can dispute Gods will?''answer no one lol ,also if a whole third of the angels decided to leave then heaven must have been a pretty crappy place.the devil brings up far too many contadictions in christianity.i think people choose to do good ,or evil things at thier own free will.im agnostic though so whatever lol
noobHNTer 1 year ago
@noobHNTer Yeah Bill Hicks pointed out the ridiculous notion of Satan, that something can challenge the almighty, Just god....and live to tell about it. lol
seanthedonconsidine 1 year ago
Worlds religions all have a system of works by which your system of works is a way to reach God, Christianity tell you that works are useless in bringing you to God.you cannot trust in your own works. With faith and believing and trusting in Him can be complete for the work of salvation...
ThinkPinkLeah 1 year ago
Are you serious, you really debating that kid stuff??
20df 1 year ago
You'll find out if you keep masturbating.
XxAssassiNxX089 1 year ago 2
Stupidity Vs Stupidity ....... enough said
ClintSevilla 1 year ago
@ClintSevilla Mr. Driscoll I don't find to be stupid or heretical. Everbody else though...
MetulManiac 1 year ago
@MetulManiac Just to make sure I was right the first time and, yea, they're all still stupid.
ClintSevilla 1 year ago
@ClintSevilla I suppose anybody who disagrees with you is automatically stupid.
MetulManiac 1 year ago
@MetulManiac Nope not really.... they just have to be reasonable and rational and if they prove me wrong good... I try not to hold on to any idea stubbornly if it is proven wrong and irrational.
ClintSevilla 1 year ago
@ClintSevilla thats amusing, but unfortunately we are dealing with religion here. You can no more disprove than prove Satan. This argument is for Christians, and the arguments should be biblical. If you aren't a Christian than why watch this video?
MetulManiac 1 year ago
@MetulManiac If you go on the logic "if it can't be disproved than it must exist" that means you believe in everything that anyone tells you because nothing can be completely disproved. Example: Zeus can not be fully disproved only said to be extremely unlikely. Like Santa Clause or Big foot... nothing is really absolute, but some things are consistent like mathematics. A good debate around this topic is Chris Hedges vs Sam Harris.
ClintSevilla 1 year ago
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ClintSevilla 1 year ago
@MetulManiac It has an opposition of religion and Christian point of view... Also I highly recommend any Sam Harris debate or talk. He clearly states his argument and gets to the point.
ClintSevilla 1 year ago
@ClintSevilla I fail to see what a nonbeliever could possibly contribute to this debate. It is altogether meaningless. The main issue behind this debate is the resurgance church trying to cowtow to you nonbelievers and remove hell and all the uncomfortable things in the bible to water it down into nothing. Thats what the argument is about. A nonbeliever brings nothing to this argument and has no place if he or she cannot respect the ideologies involved.
MetulManiac 1 year ago
Of course satan exists, I had coffee with the guy last night.
uglyguy121909 1 year ago
satan, the person god created if you believe in the story.
socomplete 1 year ago
@socomplete
you make it sound illogical, but he created satan to be good, but gave him free will, just like he gives us.
You cant blame God when people make evil choices
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr Ok so satan turns evil and where does god send him? To EARTH, how loving...
socomplete 1 year ago
@socomplete
Earth was made for humans, so the fact that God allowed Satan to be on earth and tempt us brings us back to the point that driscoll already answered.
God wants true choice to love. He does not want to have robots who love him. That is what is unique in us compared to plants and animals. We are self aware, and we have the CHOICE to do evil or choose to love God.
That does not make God evil
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
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socomplete 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr "That does not make God evil" I did not say god was evil, obviously you think he is evil. I said nothing about it, I'm following the story we are supposed to believe. "we have the CHOICE" EXACTLY, so why punish people who make mistakes by murdering them in armageddon? If god made us to be free and have choice then why do we need religion to tell us what and how to live our life, from a book in which they have NONE of the original copies. Youtube: "misquoting jesus" This film exposes
socomplete 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr The film "misquoting jesus" exposes the bible.
socomplete 1 year ago
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socomplete 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr yeah, its ok to play games with humans and watch them suffer while your god sits on his azz. Its like me having a child and telling all of his offspring that I am going to torture them and make them grow old and die because of what my first child did? it makes no sense to me. But this is my opinion, if god is love he would understand our frustrations and differences and save everyone from bad. But to believe he will blow up everyone else but YOUR FAITH is radical.
socomplete 1 year ago
@socomplete
No i dont think God is evil, you were saying hes un loving so i assumed you were also saying hes evil, which is what alot of non believers say.
Its not RELIGION that saves, or "belonging" to a religion, its the REDEMPTIO nof Jesus Christ. Jesus was a rebel to alot of the religious leaders of back then. christianity is freedom and redemption, not living a religious lifestyle. And no i dont believe hes going to blow everyone else up.
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@socomplete
While God sits on his ass? have you not heard of the Cross? He was tortured, laughed at, spit on, beaten, and then crucified FOR us. For the very evil and sin we commit against him. He is INFINITELY compassionate, given that Christianity is true, which i strongly believe it is.
So a big part of the cross is not just the forgiveness, but that HE felt pain, when he didnt have to. He COULD have sat on his ass, but he DIDNT. He came down and felt the human emotions that we feel
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr Then why did jesus go back to heaven, it defeats the whole purpose. He was in heaven he comes down dies and goes right back. WOW, thanks!! And we are still going to die, get old, and life will continue on. I would not sit back and let people suffer just because of something someone else did a log time ago, that in my opinion is foolish and is not loving at all. Especially if have the power to change things. Its lie watching an old lady get beat up and then saying " I have an..
socomplete 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr "I have an appointed time to save you don't worry" And then your probably going to respond my making an excuse like: " your not god so you don't know" or " God is not as bad as you are making him to be" ect... I'm sorry but your god is messed up. And then the whole story of adam and eve, and god killing everything but a few people (if you believe that hogwash) even killing babies and other animals. And then the excuses start again " God warned the people" I'm sorry but, I'm more..
socomplete 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr I'm more moral then god if you think killing everything under the sun for not believing in something. If my child makes a mistake do I torture him and then strangle him/her to death? According to your god, that is the right thing to do. Its the whole idea of I put you into this world and I can take you out. Isn't that loving, standing ovation for the murderer aka god. When did satan kill anyone in the bible?
socomplete 1 year ago
@socomplete
well first off, if satan had enough power over us, he would kill everyone who was destined to hell.
But God would not let satan kill us. Rest assured, he would if he could.
2nd, im not a young earther, so i dont take the genesis story as a literal occurance, but i do believe we chose evil instead of good, and we are no longer perfect because of it.
Children dying is cruel because in your worldview, thats all there is. But in the spiritual realm, they are in paradise with GOD
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@socomplete
And your argument is basically, that because you dont LIKE something then its not true.
Sorry but it doesnt work that way. If i dont like gravity because i fell and hit my head, doesnt make gravity not real.
You want to make God into what YOUR idea of God is. But guess what? Me and you are just 2 out of over 6 billion, GOD is going to be who he is as the eternal omniscient being he is, not what YOU or I want.
i wish there was no hell either
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr Religion ping pong, I'm not going to do it. Believe what you want I'm not hating you for it.
socomplete 1 year ago
@socomplete
typical.
Reject the discussion when you cant come up with anything better.
Maybe one day you'll realize that its not all about "religion" and its about GOD and our relationship with him.
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr you can boast all day, it doesn't matter. I'm seeking GOD thank you ron.
socomplete 1 year ago
@socomplete
yeah i didnt mean to boast.
I hope you find truth and i hope you find God
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr thanks.
socomplete 1 year ago
"If i dont like gravity because i fell and hit my head, doesnt make gravity not real."
The existence of gravity is suppported by science, the existence of heaven, hell, satan, god and all that stuff is not. So your arguement fails.
uglyguy121909 1 year ago
"i wish there was no hell either"
That's good, because there really is no hell.
uglyguy121909 1 year ago
@uglyguy121909
wow must be great to have it all figured out, including questions mankind has been pondering for millenia
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr
Don't be a hypocrite. You are the one talking as if the existence of hell is common sense, but really it's just your opinion.
uglyguy121909 1 year ago
@uglyguy121909
im not a hypocrite, i dont claim to know 100% that hell exists. But not only do i believe it because of my faith in the Bible, there is logical, real reasons to believe it. Testimonials of people dying and coming back to life are a good testament to the fact that there IS an afterlife, many of the stories being of hell.
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@uglyguy121909
And if you think its just crazy dreams, you havnt read the testimonials. A book called "beyond deaths door" is a good example full of them, written by a cardiologist who was converted when he saw people die on the operating table and tell the stories when they came back.
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr
Exactly. They are stories, nothing more than that. What's your point? Many have claimed to have seen this and that and written it in their books. If those mythical stories are your "real" and "logical" reasons to prove the existence of hell, then you are more foolish than you let on. You can believe in hell all you want, just don't claim it to be a fact because you read some "stories".
uglyguy121909 1 year ago
@uglyguy121909
not stories, eye witness testimonies. And from the actual doctor who was convinced enough by his patients, that there is a heaven and a hell. You saying hes a dumb guy? I think becoming a cardiologist requires some intelligence.
Read the book. If you refuse to then you cant comment on the testimonies. Its like saying a movie sucks when you havnt seen it.
Come talk to me when you do
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr eye witness ? what a load of bullshit, I say Prove It ! There's a few people who wrote the bible based on STORIES that people have eye witnessed stuff. Also the bible was written like 100 years+ after the events took place so how could it be eye witnesses? lol... There's also a great reason to why hell can not exist. It claims to be pains and suffering there, eternal torture, pain is only possible physically, pain comes from the nerve systems in your flesh and blood body.
xxRockst4r 1 year ago
@xxRockst4r
Your assertion about pain and the physical realm would have to first KNOW that there is no soul, and the soul is not part of us. How do you know the soul has no pain? How do you know about the spirtiual realm?
You want to talk about the validity of the Bible? How about the hundreds of prophecies that have been fulfilled? How about the amazing accuracy predicting Jesus' life and death over 600 years BEFORE he was even alive?
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr "cough" sorry, but I'm allergic to bullshit. Please provide the evidence for these "prophecies", I've seen a lot of them and all I've seen so far are total bullshit. The reason why I can say there can't be pain in the "afterlife" (if there is one) is because pain is bound to the physical body. The nerve system, the brain, all the physical things are required for pain to exist. I've actually got a video in my favourites explaining it pretty well, check it out.
xxRockst4r 1 year ago
@xxRockst4r
i understand your point but like i said, how do you know these things cannot exist in the spiritual realm? You are assuming you already know there is no such thing, which is bad philosophy.
One of the top of my head is In the Old testament, it was said that the jews would have their nation reconstructed so they once again had a dwelling place. And in 1948 that one came true.
This is just one example, that you will probably assume is coincidence. So i suggest researching some more
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago
@ronhudsonjr no I'm not really.. I'm only saying "spiritual".. we all know that's not physical right? And pain is bound to the physical body.. it's pretty obvious. I wouldn't say it's a great prophecy to say that in 2000 years the jews got their place again, of course it would've had to happen some time (at least the chance for it is very big).
xxRockst4r 1 year ago
@xxRockst4r
Also Isaiah is FULL of ones about Jesus. Dating roughly 600 years B.C.
Here i sent a link to your inbox so you will no longer be ignorant on the subject.
Oh and BTW, the arrogant attitude you pull does NOT make you look more intelligent, contrary to what you may think
ronhudsonjr 1 year ago