Schumacher didn't just happen to jump into a good Ferrari and win instantly, it took him 3 years to get a good enough car to win the championship. He built the team and car around him, so next time any of you try to give the excuse that he had a good car, remember that if it wasn't for him, tthe car wouldn't have been that good. Michael is the best all round for me. In the top 3 for the best racing, but all round person, he is number 1 forever.
Senna ruined his 65 poles to get only 41 victories. Was he a quick driver then? Not so quick as Schumacher of course!
Schumacher got petroleum from his 68 poles, and achieved 91 victories!! Of course Schumacher was better, poles does not mean a shit! Come on Senna! Wake up! Wake up! The race is on Sunday kid! Were you misinformed?
Schumacher scored more points than you sice his 4rd race!!! Wake up Ayrton!
another thing Schumacher haters are, is misinformed people in general.
They know nothing about formula 1 and that´s why they hate Schumacher, the greatest driver in history.
Some people says Beneton cheated with electronics in 94 and 93. In 94 it was never proved! what it is proved is that it could not help Schumi being faster than Senna... Schumacher was indeed faster than Senna thanks to Schumacher ability.
and in 93... come on, in 93 electronics were allowed.Wake up, Schumacher haters!!
@hunt2727 It was proved, They recieved a massive fine. What Brawn had done was very clever, he had put the TCS system in the car but done it such a way that it was impossible to pin point how & when it was being used. Schumacher was a fine driver, there is no doubt about it. However, even the most ardent Schumacher fan can't deny that the man has cheated at several key points in his career.
@hunt2727 Oh and on a seperate point. Josh Verstappen (Schumacher's team mate at Benneton) believed that there were things on Schumacher's car that were illegal.
@rflamino And you are damn asshole.. He is never a cheater.. Then why did Senna hit Prost to win thew champion and did a lot for his own.. Remember all the legends in Sports have many haters like you coz they cant sleep thinking what Schumi has achieved. Ok? And dont giove those fucking excuse that Senna drove with one hand and all. Even Schumi beat him with the Benetton when Senna was slow.. Senna told his friend Fittipaldi that he found difficult to race with Schumi as he is faster all over.
All you mother fuckers who think Michael is a cheat and won by cheating. You can go fuck yourself because Schumacher is the best driver in Formula 1 history. Weather you like it or not!
@ceoaalp Why resort to swearing & insults to make your point. Nobody is saying that Schumacher wasn't a great driver, he was. 1 of the top 5 of all time. However, it can't be overlooked that the man cheated & was unsporting at several key points in his career. Mike Tyson, Jake La Motta, Ben Johnson etc etc all were great sportsmen, world champions but all disgraced themselves through their unsporting actions & cheating. Schumacher has created a legacy very much in this vein.
Yeah I think traction control and many other driver aids which have been banned since 2008 are coming back in 2011.I guess someone will be delighted !!!!
where is the great Schumacher? he has a good car! is not a ferrari ... but it is a good car ... where is the Schumi? Ayrton Senna did miracles in Lottos with real pilots and not the kids who like playing video game
where is the great Schumacher? he has a good car! is not a ferrari ... but it is a good car ... where is the Schumi? Ayrton Senna did miracles in Lottos with real pilots and not the kids who like playing video game
He's 41 know, and his car was developed on the base of Jenson Button's car .He's going to have a car developed just for him(as other drivers)next year.I find that funny when people that haven't even been once to a paddock or F1 race make these comments.Michael knows/knew, what F1 is all about:1.car2.technologies3driver.Nobody knows that better.He created wiining team by his work.What u see on the track is the outcome of what is done offttrack and ontrack-he's the greatest in that
@Schumifantastic You can't say that Shit! "Michael Schumacher, the greatest of the greats." Ayrton Senna is the Greates. And im not his fan, I'm a fan of Gilles Villeneuve a legend for F1 today Drivers like Gilles is really rare to find Gilles is not Greates cuz he win just 6 races :) but he did best battle of F1 (Dijon 79) Gilles is a God
We're not opening the truth we are just saying that the driver that "i" like the most is the best.
To judge there should be a commitee that summs up the facts and votes and it was done in F1 magazine.
ALL drivers voted for Senna and was mentioned that Senna record could much higher if not a tragedy
And i am not schummi hater, it was my fav driver before i digged in more seriously in F1. Schummi is constant and stable like nobody in 95-05 and Senna -virtuoso
@lazerpod66 Schumi might cheat, he might do some things horribly wrong, but he has had so many phenomenal drives! I'm not his biggest fan, but he is seriously good
Alright, for everyone that says records tell it all, then I'm going to break it down for you. Michael Schumacher is a great driver, one of the best in the history of racing PERIOD!!! But he isn't the greatest F1 driver of all time. With Michael Schumacher, people look at his numbers, and have an orgasm, and automatically assume he is the best. When he won his titles in 94 and 95...who was he fighting...Damon Hill?!?! Come on now...Damon Hill was his GREAT RIVAL!?!?!
I fully agree that Schumacher is not the best driver in Formula 1, he is one of the greats though.
However you are underestimating Damon Hill, in his first season in 1993 he won 3 races in a row and could have won 5 if not for bad luck when he had the legendary Prost as his team mate. So yes, Damon Hill is for sure a great rival.
the name is Juan Manuel, not Juan-Manuel... Why Juan-Manuel??
Many people don´t even have a clue about the great Fangio and don´t know even how to write his name, so, be carefull because people may think you don´t have any idea about him.
@aduka19 Michael didn't beat Senna in 94'...Senna died, plus he had a struggling Williams car...but had he lived to see out the whole season, it would've been a great battle between them for sure.
@hunt2727 .. I am so glad to see so many "SENNA" comments on a video that has been dedicated to Schumacher. This shows that Schumacher will always be under Senna's shadow. People will think of Senna when Schumacher will be discussed.
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@hunt2727 You are absolutly right. I am brasilian, and i am fan o Michael Schumacher. I think that Senna was giant too, but Schummi is more, he is the supreme legend of F1. In Brasil, is ridiculous see a giant number of "Schumacher haters", stupid and irracional people that thinks with emotions and not with reason.
@hunt2727 The problem that many people have with Schumacher is this. Michael Schumacher is, without doubt, one of the greatest drivers in F1 history. However, the man was a cheat & a poor sportsman. 1994 season he was using illegal TCS, took out Damon Hill at the Australian GP, Jerez 97 tried to take out Villeneuve, Silverstone 98 he abused the stop go rules to steal a win, Austria 2001 & 2002 the team orders fiascos, Monaco 2006 blocking the track & Hungary 2010 running Barrichello to thewall
Most Schumacher fans never saw Senna race, and the most of them only ever started to watch the sport with him and stopped when he quit. Which proves they were never fans of the sport in itself rather blind bandwaggoneers, which there is plenty of in most other sports too.
Juan-Manuel Fangio was the greatest of all time in F1, and I bet you don't even have a clue who he was. Jim Clark was the 2nd best. Senna was the 3'rd.
You bandwaggoneer fanboys are the poor people who saw nothing before.
I'm no Schumacher hater, I think Schumacher is definitely in the top three of greatest F1 driver of all time, but I wouldn't call him the greatest. And his numbers and records don't tell the whole story either.
@xpandia racist? why? Because 99.9999% of all F1 experts in the world believe that Schumi is (by far) the best? And I bet you know it too ^^. STFU, it is the difficult car performance look at Rosberg, he is 13th or something like that... . Wait for the next season to watch Schumi's 8th title! And senna? Oh sorry... he is dead. But some ppl like u write as if he is alive! X-DDD
Southamerican ppl are racists, because they only see their drivers.
@BarneveldDarts The rest of the world respects Senna, Maradona and Pele.. Germany too. But You down in America only respec your own ppl. How often I read from a brazilian guy "Schumi is the worst cheater bla bla bla". They have zero respect. So you dont wonder maybe I respect you not too ;-)
@xpandia if you have only one bit of knowing the F1 your comment would be readable. Shut the hell up. The man with the most Poles is... Michael Schumacher! :-). And I hope you seeing crying around when Schumi takes his 8th title next year!! :-).
The reason y he isn't able to win is the car. He needs the experience for the new tires, right. But his mainproblem is that the car doesn't understeer in the way he likes it. If you have any clue about F1 u would write it, and not sh!t like racism
@lazerpod66 look how senna was fired by his team :-) and wait to 2011 Schumi will come! And after a 3 year break and with a wrong understeer car for him, he is almost as good as his team mate Rosberg. He cannot do it better! :-)
@BarneveldDarts Senna fired???? By who, McLaren??? You have to be kidding, right? HE left for the right reasons, McLaren were on a downslope, and he took on the best ride available, and rightfully so. Schumacher....retirement for the second time end of this year, stay tuned.
Michael Schumacher is the greatest driver in Formula 1 history and in all of racing history period. He is the greatest athelete of all time and there will NEVER EVER be anyone that matches him. Michael Schumacher will deliver his 8th world championship in dominating fashion in 2010 you better believe the master is back to teach his pupils !!!!
have read something interesting last day. The point was that mainly about Schumacher´s return. It said that while other drivers retire when they are on top, Schumacher returns now when he can loose more than what he can win. It said that Schumacher does not care absolutely about his own credibility. That Schumacher has not any respect for Schumacher´s history.
In that way, maybe Schumacher LOVES racing maybe more than any other driver in history, and well, he has won more than anyone else. That says that Michael Schumacher is probably the greatest driver in history.
That´s what I read, and I have to say it is a very intelligent point.
Schumi the best in everything: - in the rain - in building a team - in driving an inferior car to victory - in driving skills - in physical fitness - in winning from sheer impossible situations - in overtaking - in being obsessed about winning - in work ethics - winner mentality Why don't all these stupid schumi haters watch only one of the many races where Schumi overtook everybody starting from behind and a tire puncture making him lose 70 sec?? Malla, you are a pathetic fool!
As far as I know, no, I don't have trisomy on 21st chromosome pair, but obviously you don't even know how to spell that very serious genetical disorder. It's called Down syndrome... not DAWNING. Furthermore, I am serious about my advice,go visit a doc, your behavior here is in the category of 10 years old kid. L2 behave normaly and learn to communicate with people in normal way.
You are wrong, go back to school. Dawning referes to :
1 : to begin to grow light as the sun rises
2 : to begin to appear or develop
3 : to begin to be perceived or understood
Reference: Meriam Webster dictionary, go google it.
Moreover, you have proven nothing with Senna. Your immature and stupid facts are just for laugh. I am quiting my conversation here with you, or lets better say trying to get into normal conversation with you. You are just not on my level. Go ask for help.
Sweet Jesus. You are pathetic. 3rd point has nothing to do with Down syndrom... It can refere to gazzilion things. Atleast they didn't refered in Meriam Webster at any point for down syndrom. No, you haven't destroyed anyone but your brain cells over the past 3 years due to high percentage of drugs in your body. Yet again you are so retarded that I am still amazed how stupid things you are writing. Feeble has nothing to do with this.
Whats your obsession with Down Syndrome - I it was YOU that first mentioned it - the only relation to Down syndrome is it starts with a D - you are raving mad!
Anyway - it's all off topic - i have demolished every argument of the Schuifan boys over 3 years - your feeble effort over the past week doesn't even register on my radar - OWNED!
As a mater of fact, you are the one who started with ''DAWNING" thing. And yes, I feel ofended when you use jokes of people that suffer genetical disorders that are lethal in most cases. Me as a student of Medicine , would feel ofended just like any other student I know or any normal man. Good luck with your proving that Senna is better, cause in the end of the day, I have my believes while you have yours. I won't go over you again since I've realized with people with you best is to ignore.
OHMIGOD - could you possibly write any more shit in such a short space - i dont think so! look i could write a page countering all that shit- I gotta go for dinner and that- I'll see ya here later.
ROFL! 9Senna will not win a single vote in 10 years? WAAAAAHAHHAA- you dipshit- it's already 15 years and he just got the majority of votes in the Autosport biggest survey of all time (just 2 months ago) - hands down he was recognised by all F1 drivers as BY FAR the greatest that ever lived.
You unfortunately don't understand what I am saying.
My point is that in 10 years (or maybe 20), Schumacher will have been retired for a while and most people will only remember the good things about him. If he crashes his car and dies in the process, it will not even take five years.
But no matter if 5, 10 or 20 years, in retrospect Schumacher will be remebered as a greater driver than Senna.
And none of your bitching or man-love can change that.
You are the worst case of denial I have seen in a long time - its already 15 years since Senna went and he is still regarded by everyone as the greatest ever. That aint gonna change in just 10 years. As Barrichello said just 6 months ago - "We're gonna go 30,40,50 years remembering Senna"
I'd venture the idea that Schui has ALREADY been forgotten (and perhaps he knows that too and thats why the attention craving jerk is back). Nevermind- in 10 years he WILL be forgotten completely - Senna not!
Just look at how those "Greatest of all time" discussions ALWAYS go. Take Tiger Woods or Roger Federer as recent examples. It simply takes a couple of years (after retirement) for everyone to acknowledge the true greatness of sportsmen, simply because of envy and other factors.
You don't want to understand, but that is not my problem. You talking about denial is like a fish talking about water and only time will make you see this so any further discussion is pointless.
ROFL - oh come on - even i admit Schui is a class above that shithead - even before he was disgraced he was a nobody - just another ball game player - like i said ball games are for kiddies - racing cars are for MEN!
Stirling Moss in Top 10, what a joke, Alonso 9, haha, Mansell only 11.
To hook on team orders, Fangio took the car of his team-mate when his car had steering problems. Collins himself still could have won the title but gave his car to Fangio so he could win his 4th. title. That is team order. Senna allways was prefered by Honda. They even made special qualifying engines for him. But that is all ok in your opinion.
roflcopter - YEAH hONDA MADE EXTRA SPECIAL ENGINES FOR sENNA AND ALIENS BROUGHT HIM SPECIAL FUEL TO GIVE HIM EXTRA HORSEPOWER - THAST WHYAY HE WAS LAWAYS SO QUICK IN QUALIFYING WASN'T IT- HONDA SPENT AN EXTRA MILLION PER ENGINE TO MAKE SENNA 1 SECOND A LAP FASTER THAN PROST IN QUALIFYING- FOR NO REASON AT ALL- JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT HUH?
rofl- LISTEN TO YOURSELF -YOU ARE HAPLESSLY GRASPING AT STRAWS - YOUR MINDLESS EXCUSES FOR SENNA'S SPEED ARE DISMALLY DESPERATE!
Claiming Schumi only profited from Ross Brawn while Senna was a great driver is just laugheable.
Senna joined a TOTALLY dominating McLaren team in 1988 ('87 was a fluke due to Honda engines, which they acquired for '88) and had the strongest car until 1992, when Honda quit F1. He then joined Williams (the next dominant team).
The difference is Schumi created dominance, Senna only followed Alain Prost to whichever team was the strongest at the time.
WAHAAAA ROFL LMAO - you need to see all my videos busting this Schui fantasy concocted by you naive fan-sheep that Schui had anything to do with Ferrari's revival - it would have happened even if the drivers were Pedro Diniz and Ukyo Katayama for chrissake! Why?- Rory Byrne, Ross Brawn and $5 BILLION budget over 10 years! That's why!
And your description of Senna's cars is totally wrong- Senna joined McLaren at the end of 87 when their car was shit and IMMEDIATELY they won nearly everything- so using the BS logic of Schui fan-sheep assigning all credit to drivers not designers and engineers- then I guess Senna turned a 3 GP per year car into a 15 GP winning car? HUH? You can't have it both ways pal! Just grow up and admit the drivers have nothing to do with the car quality- Schui's own brother admits that much- why cant you?
I never argued that. I said YOU can't have it both ways. Either both drivers profited from dominant cars, or both made the cars better.
What I said was that Senna was at least as much in dominant cars as Schumi.
If you wanna argue that you are a moron.
Senna won all his titles in the car that won 7 of 8 WCs between 84 and 91. And Senna didn't turn the car for the better, it was the new Honda engines.
All I said was that only because Schumi had great cars doesn't prove ANYTHING.
i NEVER claimed it both ways - i always claimed just this:
1. Engineers make the car, drivers drive it - simple as that. There is no overlap.
2. Given that - the drivers results can only be as god as the car he is given.
3. Schui was given BY FAR the best cars over a long period compared to all the other great drivers - hence his stats are over-inflated relative to his real talent. Sure he was probably a top 10-er of all time, but certainly not even a contender for No.1.
Schui had the best car 7 years of his 15 (94,95,00,01,02,03,04) and possibly even in 99 and 06 too.
Senna had the best car just 2 times in 10 years (88,89).
Even then - Schui had team orders for 11 years - Senna not even for 1 race - even the mere 2 years he had the best car - so did Prost - so even then he had to fight.
Despite all these factors (and many more) Senna has more wins and poles than Schui (33% cw 32%)
No he didnt- he had 48 wins- you counted the 5 from 97 that were revoked due to disqualification just like Senna's 89 win in Japan.
And senna really won Monaco 84 but for the red flag debacle, and Suzuka 91 when he was ordered to hand the win to Berger- so really Schui only won 4 GP more than Senna at the 161 GP stage- a dismal score considering the MASSIVE advantages he had in that time with B-grade team-mates, low standard of rivals, and team-orders for 6 of the 10 years to that point.
Those 5 wins are counting he won those races clean and fair and they were not revoked his 2nd overall place was revoked, Senna Japan 89 was dq after the race because he left out the chicane. In 99 Schumacher had to give 1 win to Irvine. You can configure it how u like. Schumacher has a better win ratio in races, even with only 161 GP.
At 161 GP Schumacher had 43 Poles, that is not only 50 % of 65, it is about 70 %. Not too bad with completely different rules.
Because he left out the chicane? He was parked there over a minute so its not like he took a shortcut you fuckwit!
Anyway - you cant have it both ways - if you aren't gonna count Senna's win in Japan 89 then I'm not counting Schui's wins in 97 - as he was disqualified just like Senna was.
Regardless - even assuming the 53 to 44 scoreline - its not enough to counter Schui's MASSIVE COLOSSAL GARGANTUAN advantages with better cars, weaker rivals and team-mates and team orders.
The "massive colossal gargantuan advantages" you talk about are unfortunately unverifiable. You perceive it that way because you are in love with Ayrton Senna and therefore Schumacher must have gotten lucky and have had shitty opponents and so on.
It is the oldest and weakest argument in the book and has more to do with faith than with anything else.
Face it: Schumacher has been much more dominant than anyone since Fangio, the how and why doesn't even really matter.
And more importantly, regardless of all that - as I have explained before - the real measure of driver talent is qualifying - we all know it - drivers bragging rights are determined by pure speed - none of them actually give a shit about stats - they just want to be known as the fastest - and that's why Senna just won the Autosport Survey as THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME - because of his superhuman ultra-freeakish incomprehnsible blistering mindblowing balltearing out of this world PURE SPEED!
Drivers care about WINNING, not about bragging rights. At least smart drivers do. If you drive your car too hard you might get fastest laps, but you might also destroy your car in the process.
Well you are showing right there you aint and never were a driver - i WAS - and i am telling you - drivers dont give a flying fuck about stats as its well understood that its influenced by engineering and luck - what drivers DO respect in other drivers is blinding speed - and Senna had the most of that that anyone ever did! that's why he is the God of racing drivers and always will be. There will never be anyone faster.
Amateur drivers dont give a flying fuck about stats, professionals probably do because they actually earn their living not on being blindingly fast for one round but on actually winning races and titles.
And believe me, in 10 years Senna will not win a single vote on best ever or even fastest ever or anything.
That is simply due to the fact that active sportsmen get less respect than retired ones, moreso if the person is deceased.
uM - sENNA WAS THE HIGHEST PAID SPORTSMAN ON eARTH IN HIS DAY - JUST LIKE sCHUI LATER. sO THERE'S NO DISTINCTION THERE. bUT INDEED BRAGGING RIGHTS WITHIN THE MOB ARE BASED ON WHO IS THE FASTEST - NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!
The '94 Benetton was clearly inferior to the Williams. Had Senna lived, he probably would have won the Championship. '99 Schumacher sat out half season, so the discussion is pointless. '06 is debateable but the Ferrari was clearly not vastly superior to the Renault.
Senna on the other hand did have the best car in '90 and '91 as well, even if it wasn't by a big margin. McLaren lost its dominance only when Honda discontinued it's engine development.
The 94 Benetton superior for the first half, then admittedly the Willaims started to get the car right.
Regardless it was an unusual year with Williams losing their Suprme Ace driver and suddenly dumping eveything on th understudy - who did a sterling job - only a superhuman could have won the title i his second year in those circumstances
Maybe you should look into my previous responses to noobs like you with exactly the same noob argument - ive answered it before - look around - Im not gonna do it again
How about to fuck off this video as it is about Schumacher, statisticly best F1 driver . Ha ? good idea. Okay , now FUCK OFF, kid and do your homework...don't spam our Schumi video chat channel with your 3 years old comments.
Sorry - WRONG! - Schui is not statistically the best driver. Fangio, Clark and Senna have higher strikerates for World Championships, Race wins and Poles. All schui has is the most totals - which is meaningless because its only due to the fact that he did as many races as the other 3 combined!
Strikerates are all that matters - not totals - totals are completely irrelevant! Anyone can rack up totals given enough time - given 10000 races I could win 50 myself!
So you've change your username for the 3rd time - interesting!
Anyway - no i said Fangio, Clark, Senna have higher strike rates for World Championships, Wins and Poles than Schui (meaning respectively and with some overlap). i didnt say every one of them has higher strike rates in every parameter.
Learn some basic math concepts before critiquing my "twisting".
By your own recognition - Schui did almost as many GP as Senna, Clark, Fangio combined - so 91 wins means nothing - strikerates do!
Sorry I misunderstood what you said, now I get it. Clark only has higher Wins strike rate if you don't count the five wins in '97, which isn't what was done by FIA. They took his points, but not the wins for the statistics because they KNEW Schumacher won those five races without cheating or anything.
So no, only Fangio beats Schumacher in anything that counts.
And you forgot that in between McLaren's dominance in 89 and Williams dominance in 91, Ferrari had the dominant car in 1990 in 1990 - but you didn't see Senna chasing them for a drive did you? He stuck it out with McL for 4 years after they lost the dominant car - what more do you fuckin want? Your logic is backwardass!
How was Ferrari "dominant" in 90? They were at best equal to McLaren, but arguably slightly weaker. They were also definitely much weaker in 91, in which year only Williams could challenge McLaren. So Senna only "stuck out" with McL for two years after they lost the dominant car.
I am not blaming him for it either. All I am saying is that just because he is dead, doesnt make him a saint.
Man,mallamoozoo has been arguing like he's high on drugs.Too much meth clogging up your brain I suppose?You should leave this comment section to cleverer people than you.Goodbye.
You are in that delusional fantasy world swallowing such concocted romantic tripe about the myth of Schui reviving Ferrari ROFL - on my god aren't u embarrassed being so naive and childish - thats like a schoolgirl believing Britney writes her own songs WAAAAAHAHAA
@Ferraristaaa You two are both pathetic, and have any idea whatsoever of what Senna and Schumi have meant for the F1. Actually, do you understand anything at all?? But you guys must be happy if you only have a brain the size of a peanut and use only 1% of it...
I only wished the two of them had raced more time against each other Senna was incredible. Pure passión against german clockwork... You must have a bit more respect for Senna,
Toyota didnt have Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne did they!
Lauda's statement is pure crap - irvine would have won the Title in 99 if it wasnt for Schumacher's interference with his capaign - he only needed 2 more points and Schui took way more than that from him by commandeering all team resources in the first 8 races.
And- Raikkonen won a title after Schu left and Massa should have if the rules were decent. Schumacher long gone and Ferrari carry on winning (because Brawn was always the reason)
Even with 2 victorys donated by Salo and Schumacher he didn't make it. So stop talking crap, he just was not fast enough as the last race 99 showed. He finished 3rd 1:30s behind Häkkinen and Schumacher. His fastest lap was 2s slower than Schumacher's.
Doesnt matter - point is he lost the World Title by just 2 points - and being schui's pissbucket boy for the first half of the season must have cost him about 10 points at least. even if he'd been just a simple regular equal number 1 status he'd have gotten a few more points and if he'd had Schui's "extra-privilges" status he'd have cleaned up - just like Schui did - proving that anybody could be 5 time consecutive World Champ at ferrari - schui was just the lucky one in that place at that time!
Irvine was 2s a lap slower in the last race and u say he lost because of shuy 's no1 status. come on. he had it in his hands to win over häkkinen but simply didn't have the speed. Irvine didn't lose a single point in the first 7 races because of Shuy, he even won the first race after Shuy's car stalled at the start and Häkkinen was suddenly slow.
The last race? That's ONE race! - the title is over EIGHTEEN races.
Irvine won the first race after BEATING Schui in quali - not because Schui stalled his car at the start. You are twisting the truth in a failed attempt to shine a flattering light on Schu.
And YES - Irvine lost probably 10 points playing Schui's pissbucket holder in the first half of the season when if he'd had equal support and resources he'd have been far more competitive.
Senna won three titles with TECHNICALLY DOMINANT CARS THAT WERE ALREADY RACE WINNERS BEFORE SENNA JOINED THE TEAM.
Schumi NEVER joined a winning team, converting a no-name brand like Benetton to a double world champion. In 1996, Schumi joined Ferrari which was the ridicule of F1 at the time, and when MSC won his first Ferrari title in 2000, it was the first drivers title in 21 years. HOMO Senna died childless and you inserted your soft pecker into Senna's COLON VAGINA (asshole)
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HAHA - HAHAHA - are you talking ta me? Are you - are YOU talkin ta ME? WAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAA
I should read some books? WAHAHAHAHAA
I have studied Engineering, Science and Sports at University- I have watched every F1 race for 25 years, many live- I have met many World Champs - I raced myself for 10 years in amateur categories and won multiple State and National Titles (against some current F1 drivers) and I've driven an F1 car on one occasion.
So why don't you tell me how you know more than me?
And according to most economic analysts - the USA is on the brink of third world status - so soon you'll be sucking the big one and selling your rectum for rent money LOL
Yeah - the McLarens were so technically dominant they were still using manual shift gearboxes 3.5 years after Ferrari introduced semi-automatic paddle shifters - yet STILL the mighty Senna beat Ferrari and Williams using McLaren's dinosaur technology!
Senna didnt join winning teams either - he made Lotus occasional winners when his \teammates were 4 seconds a lap off the pace. And Lotus never won again after Senna left- even with Piquet there - unlike Ferrari who kept winning without Schui ROFL
Benetton won races with the likes of Berger and Nannini - Schui didnt bring them their first wins - and it was Brawn and Byrnes technical skills that lifted Benetton up a notch to Title standard - Schui was just along for the ride - just as he was at ferrari - again it was Brawn and Byrne that revived Ferrari not Schui 9proved by irvine almost winning in 99 - BEFORE Schui ever did - and Kimi winning in 07 and massa almost on 08- after Schui left.
Saying that Schu revived Ferrari after a bad year in 95 is like saying Senna revived McLaren after a mediocre 87 and transformed them into a steam roller than won almost every race- clearly ridiculous- just as the claim that Schu revived ferrari- the difference is Senna fans arent so brainless to claim it as Schu fans are.
By the way I dunno where you get this spic shit from- I'm as white as Schui- i have german ancestors- but it in no way clouds my certainty that Senna was a league above Schu.
Brawn and Byrne left Benetton in 97 only because Schumacher joined Ferrari. Schumacher and Todt couldn't work with Barnard. He was unflexible and on an ego trip. So Todt and Schumacher talked to Byrne, who normally wanted to retire. So it is for sure the success of Schumacher that Byrne came to Ferrari.
The Championship 07 just was a lucky shot, because rookie Hamilton made more mistakes than the others together.
How many races won Benetton after Schumacher left?
Bullshit- Brawn and Byrne just had to finish pre-signed contracts at Benetton- but ferrari management had a 10 year plan in mind- they didnt care about 96- it was fine for them to wait until 97 for the 10 year reign under Brawn and Byrne. Schu was already out of contract end of 95 so no need to wait- why not bring him in a year earlier to get the feel of the place.
Your quaint little notion is a small minded fantasy from Boys Own Annual- but not how the real world of business works.
All wrong, Schumacher had a contract including 96 with Benetton. But after all that shit in 94 with disqualifications he wanted to left Benetton. So his lawyers went over the contracts and found something (in 95) so he could leave. Schumacher in that time played no role for Ferrari. McLaren was the team with biggest interest. Schumacher's
Schumacher didn't just happen to jump into a good Ferrari and win instantly, it took him 3 years to get a good enough car to win the championship. He built the team and car around him, so next time any of you try to give the excuse that he had a good car, remember that if it wasn't for him, tthe car wouldn't have been that good. Michael is the best all round for me. In the top 3 for the best racing, but all round person, he is number 1 forever.
Shumacher5 3 weeks ago
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Senna ruined his 65 poles to get only 41 victories. Was he a quick driver then? Not so quick as Schumacher of course!
Schumacher got petroleum from his 68 poles, and achieved 91 victories!! Of course Schumacher was better, poles does not mean a shit! Come on Senna! Wake up! Wake up! The race is on Sunday kid! Were you misinformed?
Schumacher scored more points than you sice his 4rd race!!! Wake up Ayrton!
Schumacher is the real number one!!!
hunt2727 3 weeks ago
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TheMagnatar 1 month ago
PS I am Senna fan, but there were many great drivers. Don't take that away from what Michael accomplished.
dw3443a 2 months ago
Yes, how.... when he is better
MsMCorleone 5 months ago
I don´t hate Michael, but how to compare him to Mansel, Prost Piquet and, well...
nice slideshow by the way
stolfmaster 5 months ago
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Michael Schumacher simply the best!!!!
1 Michael Schumacher
2 Ayrton Senna
3 Juan Manuel Fangio and Jackie Stewart
4 Alain Prost and Fernando Alonso
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MsMCorleone 8 months ago
@rflamino you are still behaving like an asshole Schumi is the best.. The best there was.. the best there is the best there will be..
FERRARIAVI 8 months ago
@FERRARIAVI Completely agree! Don't listen to any of those idiots who are trying to say otherwise.
Playster3 7 months ago
another thing Schumacher haters are, is misinformed people in general.
They know nothing about formula 1 and that´s why they hate Schumacher, the greatest driver in history.
Some people says Beneton cheated with electronics in 94 and 93. In 94 it was never proved! what it is proved is that it could not help Schumi being faster than Senna... Schumacher was indeed faster than Senna thanks to Schumacher ability.
and in 93... come on, in 93 electronics were allowed.Wake up, Schumacher haters!!
hunt2727 8 months ago
@hunt2727 It was proved, They recieved a massive fine. What Brawn had done was very clever, he had put the TCS system in the car but done it such a way that it was impossible to pin point how & when it was being used. Schumacher was a fine driver, there is no doubt about it. However, even the most ardent Schumacher fan can't deny that the man has cheated at several key points in his career.
chrismarkbicknell 2 months ago
@hunt2727 Oh and on a seperate point. Josh Verstappen (Schumacher's team mate at Benneton) believed that there were things on Schumacher's car that were illegal.
chrismarkbicknell 2 months ago
@rflamino And you are damn asshole.. He is never a cheater.. Then why did Senna hit Prost to win thew champion and did a lot for his own.. Remember all the legends in Sports have many haters like you coz they cant sleep thinking what Schumi has achieved. Ok? And dont giove those fucking excuse that Senna drove with one hand and all. Even Schumi beat him with the Benetton when Senna was slow.. Senna told his friend Fittipaldi that he found difficult to race with Schumi as he is faster all over.
FERRARIAVI 8 months ago
All you mother fuckers who think Michael is a cheat and won by cheating. You can go fuck yourself because Schumacher is the best driver in Formula 1 history. Weather you like it or not!
ceoaalp 10 months ago
@ceoaalp Why resort to swearing & insults to make your point. Nobody is saying that Schumacher wasn't a great driver, he was. 1 of the top 5 of all time. However, it can't be overlooked that the man cheated & was unsporting at several key points in his career. Mike Tyson, Jake La Motta, Ben Johnson etc etc all were great sportsmen, world champions but all disgraced themselves through their unsporting actions & cheating. Schumacher has created a legacy very much in this vein.
chrismarkbicknell 2 months ago
A picture says more than a thousand words....this must be the first picture collection i prefer to a video on youtube...nice one!.
JDoerp 1 year ago
nuca serão!!!
senna, the best ever!!!
dfred14 1 year ago
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cozmynameisonit 1 year ago
Yeah I think traction control and many other driver aids which have been banned since 2008 are coming back in 2011.I guess someone will be delighted !!!!
irishguy200007 1 year ago
Bring back the driver aids again now or else
irishguy200007 1 year ago
SCHUMI FOREVER!!!!!!!!!Only one thing is bigger than Schumi and that´s the blue sky above us!
Playster3 1 year ago 5
@Playster3 <3
LadySchummy 1 year ago
@Exoticparts
Senna 3 world champion
Schumy 7 world champion
fatti non pugnette rosikone
MrFerraristadoc 1 year ago
Schumi has only racing in his mind!! Senna was a gambler!! Was a politician!!
FERRARIAVI 1 year ago 2
****known****
Apologies for typo !!
manpreet5553 1 year ago
THE MASTER!!!!!!!
mrmikespence1964 1 year ago
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where is the great Schumacher? he has a good car! is not a ferrari ... but it is a good car ... where is the Schumi? Ayrton Senna did miracles in Lottos with real pilots and not the kids who like playing video game
GuidoJensen10 1 year ago
where is the great Schumacher? he has a good car! is not a ferrari ... but it is a good car ... where is the Schumi? Ayrton Senna did miracles in Lottos with real pilots and not the kids who like playing video game
GuidoJensen10 1 year ago
@GuidoJensen10
He's 41 know, and his car was developed on the base of Jenson Button's car .He's going to have a car developed just for him(as other drivers)next year.I find that funny when people that haven't even been once to a paddock or F1 race make these comments.Michael knows/knew, what F1 is all about:1.car2.technologies3driver.Nobody knows that better.He created wiining team by his work.What u see on the track is the outcome of what is done offttrack and ontrack-he's the greatest in that
MegaMat84 1 year ago
@GuidoJensen10
senna l'anno prima correva, schumy per 3 anni no,ma cosa ti sto dicendo intanto i fan di senna hanno i paraocchi solo per il suo coglione
MrFerraristadoc 1 year ago
@Schumifantastic You can't say that Shit! "Michael Schumacher, the greatest of the greats." Ayrton Senna is the Greates. And im not his fan, I'm a fan of Gilles Villeneuve a legend for F1 today Drivers like Gilles is really rare to find Gilles is not Greates cuz he win just 6 races :) but he did best battle of F1 (Dijon 79) Gilles is a God
RedhotIta1 1 year ago
i´m actually a huge schumacher fan but the greatest of the greats was jochen rindt.
tommyMirror 1 year ago
No matter what he does for mercedes I will always remember him in the scarlet ferrari more
Natty7478 1 year ago
@Natty7478 Same here he was much better when he was with ferrari his mercedes barely has any grip no matter what they do to it is a crappy merc.
TheRecon4 1 year ago
This discussion makes no fking sense.
We're not opening the truth we are just saying that the driver that "i" like the most is the best.
To judge there should be a commitee that summs up the facts and votes and it was done in F1 magazine.
ALL drivers voted for Senna and was mentioned that Senna record could much higher if not a tragedy
And i am not schummi hater, it was my fav driver before i digged in more seriously in F1. Schummi is constant and stable like nobody in 95-05 and Senna -virtuoso
obeybosss 1 year ago
1. Jimmy Clark
2. Fangio
3. Senna
4. Gilles Villeneuve
5. Alain Prost
6. Michael Schumacher
7. Jackie Stewart
davidiainbrown1982 1 year ago
@davidiainbrown1982 Good list, kick out Schumi although....
lazerpod66 1 year ago
@lazerpod66 Schumi might cheat, he might do some things horribly wrong, but he has had so many phenomenal drives! I'm not his biggest fan, but he is seriously good
Alonsorenaultno5 1 year ago 9
Case is closed, every single F1 driver, Schumacher included, votes Ayrton Senna for best driver of all times...who knows better?
xpandia 1 year ago
Erm how´s the "greatest" doing?,let see!.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
The greatest..? Juan Manuel Fangio, then, Ayrton Senna
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xpandia 1 year ago
Alright, for everyone that says records tell it all, then I'm going to break it down for you. Michael Schumacher is a great driver, one of the best in the history of racing PERIOD!!! But he isn't the greatest F1 driver of all time. With Michael Schumacher, people look at his numbers, and have an orgasm, and automatically assume he is the best. When he won his titles in 94 and 95...who was he fighting...Damon Hill?!?! Come on now...Damon Hill was his GREAT RIVAL!?!?!
motoracinerd 1 year ago
@motoracinerd
I fully agree that Schumacher is not the best driver in Formula 1, he is one of the greats though.
However you are underestimating Damon Hill, in his first season in 1993 he won 3 races in a row and could have won 5 if not for bad luck when he had the legendary Prost as his team mate. So yes, Damon Hill is for sure a great rival.
Anime998877 1 year ago
senna was never helped by anyone to become 3 time champ!
felipinhogiro 1 year ago
Michael you are the best of the best...Best F1 driver ever,a true Champion and a Legend...records say all
WE LOVE YOU MICHAEL!!!!!!
aduka19 1 year ago
By the way MclarenMercedes,
the name is Juan Manuel, not Juan-Manuel... Why Juan-Manuel??
Many people don´t even have a clue about the great Fangio and don´t know even how to write his name, so, be carefull because people may think you don´t have any idea about him.
See you my friend!
hunt2727 1 year ago
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xpandia 1 year ago
Well said Mclaren Mercedes!
Senna was not the best, Jim Clark and others were better than Senna.
In my case, I have seen Jackie (Stewart) racing. I have seen Niki, I was lucky to see the whole career of Nelson, Alain, Ayrton, and many others.
And definitely Michael, Schumacher is the best, he is the greatest driver.
I was not so lucky to see Juan Manuel Fangio, but in my opinion, Schumacher is the best in history.
Pity there are many fanboys who hates Schumacher!
hunt2727 1 year ago
Well said Mclaren Mercedes!
Senna was not the best, Jim Clark and others were better than Senna.
In my case, I have seen Jackie (Stewart) racing. I have seen Niki, I was lucky to see the whole career of Nelson, Alain, Ayrton, and many others.
And definitely Michael, Schumacher is the best, he is the greatest driver.
I was not so lucky to see Juan Manuel Fangio, but in my opinion, Schumacher is the best in history.
Pity there are many fanboys who hates Schumacher!
hunt2727 1 year ago
the phenomenon is back
fuck off hamilton,alonzo and button
poussyledzep 1 year ago
Senna is better
TheShelgon 1 year ago
@TheShelgon
erm wrong...Michael beated Senna in 94
aduka19 1 year ago
@aduka19 Michael didn't beat Senna in 94'...Senna died, plus he had a struggling Williams car...but had he lived to see out the whole season, it would've been a great battle between them for sure.
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xpandia 1 year ago
You are right Joaquinveyron!
Have you seen "Senna ultrapassa Schumacher" video in yt? (Canada 93)
In the video Senna does not overtake Schumacher at all!!
But there are so many Schumacher haters that are really sure about Senna does that!
And even they erase the comments to say the truth!
Schumacher haters want to live in paralell universe I think...
hunt2727 1 year ago 24
@hunt2727 .. I am so glad to see so many "SENNA" comments on a video that has been dedicated to Schumacher. This shows that Schumacher will always be under Senna's shadow. People will think of Senna when Schumacher will be discussed.
Senna OWNS Schumcher !!!!!!
manpreet5553 1 year ago 2
@manpreet5553
hahaha va va chega rosikone,
MrFerraristadoc 1 year ago
@MrFerraristadoc .. Behn de yaara .. bund fati hoyi aa ??? Je mai apni aayi te aagaya te teri na behn bachni aa na maa - dova nu kauda karke chodnaa oh v bagair tel lagaye. Bandeya wangu samjhaya ke english vich bakwaas karla jehdi karni aa, aime aukha jeha hoyi jandaa. Putt jado apne peyo naal agge to gal karni hoye te english vich gal kari, mai te fer google vich search karke tere bhasha da pata karlu .. tera ki banu je mai apni Punjabi te aageyaa te ?? Hun de jawab chauri fuddi deya !!!
manpreet5553 1 year ago
@manpreet5553
sa vò toc ad buassa fat mel ?
MrFerraristadoc 1 year ago
@hunt2727 .. By the way, have you ever thought why there are so many Schumi haters ?? Why would 7 times WDC have so much of haters ??
There are two reasons my friend:
1. Fanboys like you talk shit about the most loved and respected driver called Senna (Read the GREATEST EVER)
2. Because Schumacher has always been knows for his supremacy in CHEATING. He has always been a dickhead on and off the track.
manpreet5553 1 year ago
@hunt2727 You are absolutly right. I am brasilian, and i am fan o Michael Schumacher. I think that Senna was giant too, but Schummi is more, he is the supreme legend of F1. In Brasil, is ridiculous see a giant number of "Schumacher haters", stupid and irracional people that thinks with emotions and not with reason.
Gaermanicus 10 months ago 2
@Gaermanicus you are the man my friend!!
hunt2727 10 months ago
@hunt2727 The problem that many people have with Schumacher is this. Michael Schumacher is, without doubt, one of the greatest drivers in F1 history. However, the man was a cheat & a poor sportsman. 1994 season he was using illegal TCS, took out Damon Hill at the Australian GP, Jerez 97 tried to take out Villeneuve, Silverstone 98 he abused the stop go rules to steal a win, Austria 2001 & 2002 the team orders fiascos, Monaco 2006 blocking the track & Hungary 2010 running Barrichello to thewall
chrismarkbicknell 2 months ago
Greatest driver in history
hunt2727 1 year ago
Many Schumacher haters don´t have any idea about Formula 1.
They are so ignorant... and they erase possitive comments for Schumacher!
They only allow comments against Schumacher, poor people!!
hunt2727 1 year ago 3
Most Schumacher fans never saw Senna race, and the most of them only ever started to watch the sport with him and stopped when he quit. Which proves they were never fans of the sport in itself rather blind bandwaggoneers, which there is plenty of in most other sports too.
Juan-Manuel Fangio was the greatest of all time in F1, and I bet you don't even have a clue who he was. Jim Clark was the 2nd best. Senna was the 3'rd.
You bandwaggoneer fanboys are the poor people who saw nothing before.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
@hunt2727
I'm no Schumacher hater, I think Schumacher is definitely in the top three of greatest F1 driver of all time, but I wouldn't call him the greatest. And his numbers and records don't tell the whole story either.
motoracinerd 1 year ago
@motoracinerd
if not schumacher, who is the greatest fr you then?
BarneveldDarts 1 year ago
all F1 drivers+all motorsport journalists+10000 readers of autosport magazine voted Senna as best driver ever
xpandia 1 year ago
@xpandia lmao are u kidding?? I know this result, and strangely 90% of the readers came from SOUTHAMERICA! So no wonder they voted senna 1# !
In AL OTHER voting ALL Experts in the world voted Schumacher Numer 1#!
And he is the best ;-). And he loves the sport, otherwise he didnt do a comeback what is amazing for us as fans :-)
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xpandia 1 year ago
@xpandia racist? why? Because 99.9999% of all F1 experts in the world believe that Schumi is (by far) the best? And I bet you know it too ^^. STFU, it is the difficult car performance look at Rosberg, he is 13th or something like that... . Wait for the next season to watch Schumi's 8th title! And senna? Oh sorry... he is dead. But some ppl like u write as if he is alive! X-DDD
Southamerican ppl are racists, because they only see their drivers.
BarneveldDarts 1 year ago
@BarneveldDarts The rest of the world respects Senna, Maradona and Pele.. Germany too. But You down in America only respec your own ppl. How often I read from a brazilian guy "Schumi is the worst cheater bla bla bla". They have zero respect. So you dont wonder maybe I respect you not too ;-)
think about it
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xpandia 1 year ago
@xpandia if you have only one bit of knowing the F1 your comment would be readable. Shut the hell up. The man with the most Poles is... Michael Schumacher! :-). And I hope you seeing crying around when Schumi takes his 8th title next year!! :-).
The reason y he isn't able to win is the car. He needs the experience for the new tires, right. But his mainproblem is that the car doesn't understeer in the way he likes it. If you have any clue about F1 u would write it, and not sh!t like racism
BarneveldDarts 1 year ago
@BarneveldDarts Look how your paper champion is getting his ass walloped by the young one now.....hehe
lazerpod66 1 year ago
@lazerpod66 look how senna was fired by his team :-) and wait to 2011 Schumi will come! And after a 3 year break and with a wrong understeer car for him, he is almost as good as his team mate Rosberg. He cannot do it better! :-)
Schumi for 2011
BarneveldDarts 1 year ago
@BarneveldDarts Senna fired???? By who, McLaren??? You have to be kidding, right? HE left for the right reasons, McLaren were on a downslope, and he took on the best ride available, and rightfully so. Schumacher....retirement for the second time end of this year, stay tuned.
lazerpod66 1 year ago
@lazerpod66 hahahaha I meant Bruno Senna in this season!! :-D total Owned m8 ! lol
BarneveldDarts 1 year ago
Schumi THE RED BARON IS BACK and going for an 8th WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Hogling007 1 year ago 2
@Hogling007
and for the 100 th victory
poussyledzep 1 year ago
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Michael Schumacher is the greatest driver in Formula 1 history and in all of racing history period. He is the greatest athelete of all time and there will NEVER EVER be anyone that matches him. Michael Schumacher will deliver his 8th world championship in dominating fashion in 2010 you better believe the master is back to teach his pupils !!!!
nygiants4life07 2 years ago
Hi Im new to You Tube, Michael Schumacher rules
Hogling007 2 years ago
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have read something interesting last day. The point was that mainly about Schumacher´s return. It said that while other drivers retire when they are on top, Schumacher returns now when he can loose more than what he can win. It said that Schumacher does not care absolutely about his own credibility. That Schumacher has not any respect for Schumacher´s history.
tarkin34 2 years ago 3
Just only because Schumacher cares only about racing, just because Schumacher loves racing more than any other driver in the world.
tarkin34 2 years ago 14
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In that way, maybe Schumacher LOVES racing maybe more than any other driver in history, and well, he has won more than anyone else. That says that Michael Schumacher is probably the greatest driver in history.
That´s what I read, and I have to say it is a very intelligent point.
tarkin34 2 years ago 3
"Richter scale" can be used (as i did) as a metaphor.
Go back to school.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
But you started with Dawning shit! ffs, you are just stupid and out of my league....
stefanblbl 2 years ago
Well if you are using that as a metaphor than you are pathetic, gasp, go die in corner of your room troll.
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joaquinveyron 2 years ago 4
@mallamoozoo
Dude, go ask for a professional help of psychologist or maybe better psychiatric?
stefanblbl 2 years ago
haaa - YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR LEAUGUE - I THINK ITS DAWNING ON YOU NOW YEAH?
lol
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
As far as I know, no, I don't have trisomy on 21st chromosome pair, but obviously you don't even know how to spell that very serious genetical disorder. It's called Down syndrome... not DAWNING. Furthermore, I am serious about my advice,go visit a doc, your behavior here is in the category of 10 years old kid. L2 behave normaly and learn to communicate with people in normal way.
stefanblbl 2 years ago
What a hypocrit - mr "doubleknuckleburger" complaining of juvenile language! LOL
And no - the word is "Dawning". look it up in the dictionary.
Anyway - you are off topic - I have proven Senna is better than Schumacher so that's all I care about here.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
You are wrong, go back to school. Dawning referes to :
1 : to begin to grow light as the sun rises
2 : to begin to appear or develop
3 : to begin to be perceived or understood
Reference: Meriam Webster dictionary, go google it.
Moreover, you have proven nothing with Senna. Your immature and stupid facts are just for laugh. I am quiting my conversation here with you, or lets better say trying to get into normal conversation with you. You are just not on my level. Go ask for help.
stefanblbl 2 years ago
Exactly - meaning 3 is exactly how I meant it - you dont even grasp basic english.
And I have destroyed all Schui fanboy arguments over 3 years - your feeble attempt over the past week doesn't even register on the richter scale.LOL
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Sweet Jesus. You are pathetic. 3rd point has nothing to do with Down syndrom... It can refere to gazzilion things. Atleast they didn't refered in Meriam Webster at any point for down syndrom. No, you haven't destroyed anyone but your brain cells over the past 3 years due to high percentage of drugs in your body. Yet again you are so retarded that I am still amazed how stupid things you are writing. Feeble has nothing to do with this.
stefanblbl 2 years ago
Whats your obsession with Down Syndrome - I it was YOU that first mentioned it - the only relation to Down syndrome is it starts with a D - you are raving mad!
Anyway - it's all off topic - i have demolished every argument of the Schuifan boys over 3 years - your feeble effort over the past week doesn't even register on my radar - OWNED!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
As a mater of fact, you are the one who started with ''DAWNING" thing. And yes, I feel ofended when you use jokes of people that suffer genetical disorders that are lethal in most cases. Me as a student of Medicine , would feel ofended just like any other student I know or any normal man. Good luck with your proving that Senna is better, cause in the end of the day, I have my believes while you have yours. I won't go over you again since I've realized with people with you best is to ignore.
stefanblbl 2 years ago
For fucksake - i said DAWNING not DOWN SYNDROME - there is absolutely no connection - it was you that first used the word DOWN syndrome.
You are mental!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
And also if you want to insult someone don't use sarcasam or phrases that 10 yrs old kids use in school. /facepalm
stefanblbl 2 years ago
aaand richter scale is scale used for measuring magnituted of earthquakes. God, you are just for laugh. Back to the school.
stefanblbl 2 years ago
Duh - i did some geology at university in my Science - I know all about tectonic plate theory. You spanner!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
OHMIGOD - could you possibly write any more shit in such a short space - i dont think so! look i could write a page countering all that shit- I gotta go for dinner and that- I'll see ya here later.
ROFL! 9Senna will not win a single vote in 10 years? WAAAAAHAHHAA- you dipshit- it's already 15 years and he just got the majority of votes in the Autosport biggest survey of all time (just 2 months ago) - hands down he was recognised by all F1 drivers as BY FAR the greatest that ever lived.
You LOSE
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
You unfortunately don't understand what I am saying.
My point is that in 10 years (or maybe 20), Schumacher will have been retired for a while and most people will only remember the good things about him. If he crashes his car and dies in the process, it will not even take five years.
But no matter if 5, 10 or 20 years, in retrospect Schumacher will be remebered as a greater driver than Senna.
And none of your bitching or man-love can change that.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
You are the worst case of denial I have seen in a long time - its already 15 years since Senna went and he is still regarded by everyone as the greatest ever. That aint gonna change in just 10 years. As Barrichello said just 6 months ago - "We're gonna go 30,40,50 years remembering Senna"
I'd venture the idea that Schui has ALREADY been forgotten (and perhaps he knows that too and thats why the attention craving jerk is back). Nevermind- in 10 years he WILL be forgotten completely - Senna not!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Just look at how those "Greatest of all time" discussions ALWAYS go. Take Tiger Woods or Roger Federer as recent examples. It simply takes a couple of years (after retirement) for everyone to acknowledge the true greatness of sportsmen, simply because of envy and other factors.
You don't want to understand, but that is not my problem. You talking about denial is like a fish talking about water and only time will make you see this so any further discussion is pointless.
Good luck in the future
riesenkamell 2 years ago
Are you now eauting Schumacher with Tiger Woods?
ROFL - oh come on - even i admit Schui is a class above that shithead - even before he was disgraced he was a nobody - just another ball game player - like i said ball games are for kiddies - racing cars are for MEN!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
By far? Where can you see that? You must be a visionary!!!
Mummins 2 years ago
Stirling Moss in Top 10, what a joke, Alonso 9, haha, Mansell only 11.
To hook on team orders, Fangio took the car of his team-mate when his car had steering problems. Collins himself still could have won the title but gave his car to Fangio so he could win his 4th. title. That is team order. Senna allways was prefered by Honda. They even made special qualifying engines for him. But that is all ok in your opinion.
Mummins 2 years ago
roflcopter - YEAH hONDA MADE EXTRA SPECIAL ENGINES FOR sENNA AND ALIENS BROUGHT HIM SPECIAL FUEL TO GIVE HIM EXTRA HORSEPOWER - THAST WHYAY HE WAS LAWAYS SO QUICK IN QUALIFYING WASN'T IT- HONDA SPENT AN EXTRA MILLION PER ENGINE TO MAKE SENNA 1 SECOND A LAP FASTER THAN PROST IN QUALIFYING- FOR NO REASON AT ALL- JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT HUH?
rofl- LISTEN TO YOURSELF -YOU ARE HAPLESSLY GRASPING AT STRAWS - YOUR MINDLESS EXCUSES FOR SENNA'S SPEED ARE DISMALLY DESPERATE!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
what is this song????
ftuu2 2 years ago
mallamoozoo you are full of shit!!!
Claiming Schumi only profited from Ross Brawn while Senna was a great driver is just laugheable.
Senna joined a TOTALLY dominating McLaren team in 1988 ('87 was a fluke due to Honda engines, which they acquired for '88) and had the strongest car until 1992, when Honda quit F1. He then joined Williams (the next dominant team).
The difference is Schumi created dominance, Senna only followed Alain Prost to whichever team was the strongest at the time.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
WAHAAAA ROFL LMAO - you need to see all my videos busting this Schui fantasy concocted by you naive fan-sheep that Schui had anything to do with Ferrari's revival - it would have happened even if the drivers were Pedro Diniz and Ukyo Katayama for chrissake! Why?- Rory Byrne, Ross Brawn and $5 BILLION budget over 10 years! That's why!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
And your description of Senna's cars is totally wrong- Senna joined McLaren at the end of 87 when their car was shit and IMMEDIATELY they won nearly everything- so using the BS logic of Schui fan-sheep assigning all credit to drivers not designers and engineers- then I guess Senna turned a 3 GP per year car into a 15 GP winning car? HUH? You can't have it both ways pal! Just grow up and admit the drivers have nothing to do with the car quality- Schui's own brother admits that much- why cant you?
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
I never argued that. I said YOU can't have it both ways. Either both drivers profited from dominant cars, or both made the cars better.
What I said was that Senna was at least as much in dominant cars as Schumi.
If you wanna argue that you are a moron.
Senna won all his titles in the car that won 7 of 8 WCs between 84 and 91. And Senna didn't turn the car for the better, it was the new Honda engines.
All I said was that only because Schumi had great cars doesn't prove ANYTHING.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
i NEVER claimed it both ways - i always claimed just this:
1. Engineers make the car, drivers drive it - simple as that. There is no overlap.
2. Given that - the drivers results can only be as god as the car he is given.
3. Schui was given BY FAR the best cars over a long period compared to all the other great drivers - hence his stats are over-inflated relative to his real talent. Sure he was probably a top 10-er of all time, but certainly not even a contender for No.1.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Schui had the best car 7 years of his 15 (94,95,00,01,02,03,04) and possibly even in 99 and 06 too.
Senna had the best car just 2 times in 10 years (88,89).
Even then - Schui had team orders for 11 years - Senna not even for 1 race - even the mere 2 years he had the best car - so did Prost - so even then he had to fight.
Despite all these factors (and many more) Senna has more wins and poles than Schui (33% cw 32%)
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Till the end of 2001 Schumacher had 161 races, equal to Senna, but 53 wins, 12 more than Senna. So stop talking crap.
Brawn said it in an interview few days ago, Schumacher simply was no1 by his speed not because anybody wanted him to be no1.
Mummins 2 years ago
No he didnt- he had 48 wins- you counted the 5 from 97 that were revoked due to disqualification just like Senna's 89 win in Japan.
And senna really won Monaco 84 but for the red flag debacle, and Suzuka 91 when he was ordered to hand the win to Berger- so really Schui only won 4 GP more than Senna at the 161 GP stage- a dismal score considering the MASSIVE advantages he had in that time with B-grade team-mates, low standard of rivals, and team-orders for 6 of the 10 years to that point.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Those 5 wins are counting he won those races clean and fair and they were not revoked his 2nd overall place was revoked, Senna Japan 89 was dq after the race because he left out the chicane. In 99 Schumacher had to give 1 win to Irvine. You can configure it how u like. Schumacher has a better win ratio in races, even with only 161 GP.
At 161 GP Schumacher had 43 Poles, that is not only 50 % of 65, it is about 70 %. Not too bad with completely different rules.
Mummins 2 years ago
Because he left out the chicane? He was parked there over a minute so its not like he took a shortcut you fuckwit!
Anyway - you cant have it both ways - if you aren't gonna count Senna's win in Japan 89 then I'm not counting Schui's wins in 97 - as he was disqualified just like Senna was.
Regardless - even assuming the 53 to 44 scoreline - its not enough to counter Schui's MASSIVE COLOSSAL GARGANTUAN advantages with better cars, weaker rivals and team-mates and team orders.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
The "massive colossal gargantuan advantages" you talk about are unfortunately unverifiable. You perceive it that way because you are in love with Ayrton Senna and therefore Schumacher must have gotten lucky and have had shitty opponents and so on.
It is the oldest and weakest argument in the book and has more to do with faith than with anything else.
Face it: Schumacher has been much more dominant than anyone since Fangio, the how and why doesn't even really matter.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
And more importantly, regardless of all that - as I have explained before - the real measure of driver talent is qualifying - we all know it - drivers bragging rights are determined by pure speed - none of them actually give a shit about stats - they just want to be known as the fastest - and that's why Senna just won the Autosport Survey as THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME - because of his superhuman ultra-freeakish incomprehnsible blistering mindblowing balltearing out of this world PURE SPEED!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Drivers care about WINNING, not about bragging rights. At least smart drivers do. If you drive your car too hard you might get fastest laps, but you might also destroy your car in the process.
Even worse, you might end up dead.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
Well you are showing right there you aint and never were a driver - i WAS - and i am telling you - drivers dont give a flying fuck about stats as its well understood that its influenced by engineering and luck - what drivers DO respect in other drivers is blinding speed - and Senna had the most of that that anyone ever did! that's why he is the God of racing drivers and always will be. There will never be anyone faster.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Amateur drivers dont give a flying fuck about stats, professionals probably do because they actually earn their living not on being blindingly fast for one round but on actually winning races and titles.
And believe me, in 10 years Senna will not win a single vote on best ever or even fastest ever or anything.
That is simply due to the fact that active sportsmen get less respect than retired ones, moreso if the person is deceased.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
uM - sENNA WAS THE HIGHEST PAID SPORTSMAN ON eARTH IN HIS DAY - JUST LIKE sCHUI LATER. sO THERE'S NO DISTINCTION THERE. bUT INDEED BRAGGING RIGHTS WITHIN THE MOB ARE BASED ON WHO IS THE FASTEST - NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
At the 161 GP stage Schui had only about 50% Senna's pole score!- Pathetic!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
The '94 Benetton was clearly inferior to the Williams. Had Senna lived, he probably would have won the Championship. '99 Schumacher sat out half season, so the discussion is pointless. '06 is debateable but the Ferrari was clearly not vastly superior to the Renault.
Senna on the other hand did have the best car in '90 and '91 as well, even if it wasn't by a big margin. McLaren lost its dominance only when Honda discontinued it's engine development.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
The 94 Benetton superior for the first half, then admittedly the Willaims started to get the car right.
Regardless it was an unusual year with Williams losing their Suprme Ace driver and suddenly dumping eveything on th understudy - who did a sterling job - only a superhuman could have won the title i his second year in those circumstances
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Maybe you should look into what Gerhard Berger had to say about the Benetton's driveability and setup when he followed Schumacher.
He said the car was virtually undriveable and he gained massive respect for Schumachers driving ability because he himself couldnt control the car.
So no, drivers drive the car but they also change setups and influence development and layout because of driving style.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
Maybe you should look into my previous responses to noobs like you with exactly the same noob argument - ive answered it before - look around - Im not gonna do it again
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
How about to fuck off this video as it is about Schumacher, statisticly best F1 driver . Ha ? good idea. Okay , now FUCK OFF, kid and do your homework...don't spam our Schumi video chat channel with your 3 years old comments.
stefanblbl 2 years ago
Sorry - WRONG! - Schui is not statistically the best driver. Fangio, Clark and Senna have higher strikerates for World Championships, Race wins and Poles. All schui has is the most totals - which is meaningless because its only due to the fact that he did as many races as the other 3 combined!
Strikerates are all that matters - not totals - totals are completely irrelevant! Anyone can rack up totals given enough time - given 10000 races I could win 50 myself!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
How do Senna and Clark have higher strikerates for WCs or race wins than Schumacher?
Btw fun fact: Your three heroes combined have 90 wins in 281 races, Schumacher has 91 in 249.
Even if you don't count the 5 wins in '97, I still don't get how you are twisting your brain to get to the claims you are making here.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
So you've change your username for the 3rd time - interesting!
Anyway - no i said Fangio, Clark, Senna have higher strike rates for World Championships, Wins and Poles than Schui (meaning respectively and with some overlap). i didnt say every one of them has higher strike rates in every parameter.
Learn some basic math concepts before critiquing my "twisting".
By your own recognition - Schui did almost as many GP as Senna, Clark, Fangio combined - so 91 wins means nothing - strikerates do!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
I have not changed my user name once.
Sorry I misunderstood what you said, now I get it. Clark only has higher Wins strike rate if you don't count the five wins in '97, which isn't what was done by FIA. They took his points, but not the wins for the statistics because they KNEW Schumacher won those five races without cheating or anything.
So no, only Fangio beats Schumacher in anything that counts.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
And you forgot that in between McLaren's dominance in 89 and Williams dominance in 91, Ferrari had the dominant car in 1990 in 1990 - but you didn't see Senna chasing them for a drive did you? He stuck it out with McL for 4 years after they lost the dominant car - what more do you fuckin want? Your logic is backwardass!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
How was Ferrari "dominant" in 90? They were at best equal to McLaren, but arguably slightly weaker. They were also definitely much weaker in 91, in which year only Williams could challenge McLaren. So Senna only "stuck out" with McL for two years after they lost the dominant car.
I am not blaming him for it either. All I am saying is that just because he is dead, doesnt make him a saint.
riesenkamell 2 years ago
he is back and he is better and bigger can't wait to see him race 2010 1 year with f1
iilurrvmanutd 2 years ago
hi is back now will see baton,hamilton and alonso what is real champion
filip0123afs 2 years ago
Man,mallamoozoo has been arguing like he's high on drugs.Too much meth clogging up your brain I suppose?You should leave this comment section to cleverer people than you.Goodbye.
ej36055 2 years ago
You are in that delusional fantasy world swallowing such concocted romantic tripe about the myth of Schui reviving Ferrari ROFL - on my god aren't u embarrassed being so naive and childish - thats like a schoolgirl believing Britney writes her own songs WAAAAAHAHAA
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
mallamozo just go make suicide somewhere and stay with senna in hell
Ferraristaaa 2 years ago
@Ferraristaaa You two are both pathetic, and have any idea whatsoever of what Senna and Schumi have meant for the F1. Actually, do you understand anything at all?? But you guys must be happy if you only have a brain the size of a peanut and use only 1% of it...
MrMurdock35 2 years ago
Senna was just a bad destiny of his life and schumi is the icon of motorsport keep dreaming about senna... buddy
Ferraristaaa 2 years ago
I only wished the two of them had raced more time against each other Senna was incredible. Pure passión against german clockwork... You must have a bit more respect for Senna,
MrMurdock35 2 years ago
So if money is all, why didn't Toyota win a single race. They had the biggest budget of all teams for years.
Without Schumacher Ferrari still wouldn't have won a championship again, comment by Niki Lauda.
Mummins 2 years ago
Toyota didnt have Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne did they!
Lauda's statement is pure crap - irvine would have won the Title in 99 if it wasnt for Schumacher's interference with his capaign - he only needed 2 more points and Schui took way more than that from him by commandeering all team resources in the first 8 races.
And- Raikkonen won a title after Schu left and Massa should have if the rules were decent. Schumacher long gone and Ferrari carry on winning (because Brawn was always the reason)
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Even with 2 victorys donated by Salo and Schumacher he didn't make it. So stop talking crap, he just was not fast enough as the last race 99 showed. He finished 3rd 1:30s behind Häkkinen and Schumacher. His fastest lap was 2s slower than Schumacher's.
Mummins 2 years ago
Doesnt matter - point is he lost the World Title by just 2 points - and being schui's pissbucket boy for the first half of the season must have cost him about 10 points at least. even if he'd been just a simple regular equal number 1 status he'd have gotten a few more points and if he'd had Schui's "extra-privilges" status he'd have cleaned up - just like Schui did - proving that anybody could be 5 time consecutive World Champ at ferrari - schui was just the lucky one in that place at that time!
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Irvine was 2s a lap slower in the last race and u say he lost because of shuy 's no1 status. come on. he had it in his hands to win over häkkinen but simply didn't have the speed. Irvine didn't lose a single point in the first 7 races because of Shuy, he even won the first race after Shuy's car stalled at the start and Häkkinen was suddenly slow.
jeepcjay5 2 years ago
The last race? That's ONE race! - the title is over EIGHTEEN races.
Irvine won the first race after BEATING Schui in quali - not because Schui stalled his car at the start. You are twisting the truth in a failed attempt to shine a flattering light on Schu.
And YES - Irvine lost probably 10 points playing Schui's pissbucket holder in the first half of the season when if he'd had equal support and resources he'd have been far more competitive.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
@mallamoozoo
Senna won three titles with TECHNICALLY DOMINANT CARS THAT WERE ALREADY RACE WINNERS BEFORE SENNA JOINED THE TEAM.
Schumi NEVER joined a winning team, converting a no-name brand like Benetton to a double world champion. In 1996, Schumi joined Ferrari which was the ridicule of F1 at the time, and when MSC won his first Ferrari title in 2000, it was the first drivers title in 21 years. HOMO Senna died childless and you inserted your soft pecker into Senna's COLON VAGINA (asshole)
TheDRANALYSIS111 2 years ago 3
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HAHA - HAHAHA - are you talking ta me? Are you - are YOU talkin ta ME? WAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAA
I should read some books? WAHAHAHAHAA
I have studied Engineering, Science and Sports at University- I have watched every F1 race for 25 years, many live- I have met many World Champs - I raced myself for 10 years in amateur categories and won multiple State and National Titles (against some current F1 drivers) and I've driven an F1 car on one occasion.
So why don't you tell me how you know more than me?
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
And according to most economic analysts - the USA is on the brink of third world status - so soon you'll be sucking the big one and selling your rectum for rent money LOL
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Yeah - the McLarens were so technically dominant they were still using manual shift gearboxes 3.5 years after Ferrari introduced semi-automatic paddle shifters - yet STILL the mighty Senna beat Ferrari and Williams using McLaren's dinosaur technology!
Senna didnt join winning teams either - he made Lotus occasional winners when his \teammates were 4 seconds a lap off the pace. And Lotus never won again after Senna left- even with Piquet there - unlike Ferrari who kept winning without Schui ROFL
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Benetton won races with the likes of Berger and Nannini - Schui didnt bring them their first wins - and it was Brawn and Byrnes technical skills that lifted Benetton up a notch to Title standard - Schui was just along for the ride - just as he was at ferrari - again it was Brawn and Byrne that revived Ferrari not Schui 9proved by irvine almost winning in 99 - BEFORE Schui ever did - and Kimi winning in 07 and massa almost on 08- after Schui left.
And he's still gonna be mounting Brawn in 2010 !
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Saying that Schu revived Ferrari after a bad year in 95 is like saying Senna revived McLaren after a mediocre 87 and transformed them into a steam roller than won almost every race- clearly ridiculous- just as the claim that Schu revived ferrari- the difference is Senna fans arent so brainless to claim it as Schu fans are.
By the way I dunno where you get this spic shit from- I'm as white as Schui- i have german ancestors- but it in no way clouds my certainty that Senna was a league above Schu.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
Brawn and Byrne left Benetton in 97 only because Schumacher joined Ferrari. Schumacher and Todt couldn't work with Barnard. He was unflexible and on an ego trip. So Todt and Schumacher talked to Byrne, who normally wanted to retire. So it is for sure the success of Schumacher that Byrne came to Ferrari.
The Championship 07 just was a lucky shot, because rookie Hamilton made more mistakes than the others together.
How many races won Benetton after Schumacher left?
Mummins 2 years ago
@Mummins
Bullshit- Brawn and Byrne just had to finish pre-signed contracts at Benetton- but ferrari management had a 10 year plan in mind- they didnt care about 96- it was fine for them to wait until 97 for the 10 year reign under Brawn and Byrne. Schu was already out of contract end of 95 so no need to wait- why not bring him in a year earlier to get the feel of the place.
Your quaint little notion is a small minded fantasy from Boys Own Annual- but not how the real world of business works.
mallamoozoo 2 years ago
All wrong, Schumacher had a contract including 96 with Benetton. But after all that shit in 94 with disqualifications he wanted to left Benetton. So his lawyers went over the contracts and found something (in 95) so he could leave. Schumacher in that time played no role for Ferrari. McLaren was the team with biggest interest. Schumacher's