Jack: Oh what are you saying freddo Fred: oh I think you know what I'm saying
Jack: Now wait a minute All I did was stir those tanks
Fred: I just asked you what the gauge was reading.... ( Jim talking in background ) Fred: AND YOU DONT KNOW!!!!!!! Jim : Were not gonna go bouncing off the walls for 10 mins were gonna end back here with the same problems ( Houston talking on radio ) Jim : ARE WE ON VOX?! Fred : NO were not on vox JIM: Yes houston this is aquaris go ahead..
@MsMaci1 In real life, the gauge read off-scale high. So they stirred the tanks to try and find out why (an idiot technician on Earth had forgotten to properly install a thermostat which lead to a dangerous pressure buildup), which resulted in the disaster.
Astronauts aren't the type of people who are prone to bickering with each other. Their lives literally depend on them being able to work together smoothly. In fact, astronauts are probably better at working together than any other profession.
@TheAle89515 As Sam Harris said, "The fact that our paleolithic genes have access to 21st century technology is, from the POV of our evolution, little different from having given it to chimps." Barring drastic change, humans will prove to be "too human" in space, just as they have on Earth. All it takes is the right (or wrong) trigger.
For example, I have to wonder how long Aldrin and Armstrong would have lasted before giving into despair if the LM failed to lift off . . .
Ron Howard uses a lot of drama that never took place in many of his movies. In Cinderella Man, Max Baer is actually a nice guy but they needed him to be a villian for the movie. He never threatened to kill Jimmy Braddock in the ring. But, it made a better story line.
@dyslexicjim No matter what was going on, the astronauts, back then, always sounded calm, cool and collected. They could be reading back multiple cautions and warnings back to MCC, and a by stander would think that everything is normal. However, that wouldn't really sell at the box office, so they had to spice it up and add some drama. For example, Gene Kranz wasn't the launch director, Milt Windler was, but the audience could care less about Windler, so they showed Kranz directing the launch.
@imranite Are you kidding? These guys were pilots. Most of them spoiled bratts that couldn't tell the truth to save their lives. They all cheated on their wives and thought their crap didn't stink. The only these three stooges are alive today is because of the guys on the ground.
@dyslexicjim I d be actually interested in what you have to reveal about these men. Just a minor correction: only two of these three "stooges" are alive today. Swigert died of cancer in the 80s.
@imranite You have to be kidding? What happens in Las Vegas, stays in Vegas, or in this case, Houston, the Cape, and everywhere inbetween....
And yes you moron, I saw the movie, not to mention, I'm a NASA bratt, Jack died of cancer. You knew what I meant when you read it, and if that is the only case you can make, get over yourself, you got nothin.
@dyslexicjim What doesnt happen in vegas stays there too, until conspiracy theorists come along with their stupidity. I have no case to make. The burden of proof is on you. Being a NASA brat doesn't mean shit, so why don't you put up or shut up?
The burden of proof doesn't lie with me, I'm not prosecuting anyone. If you want to prove these men (the astronaut corp) were saints, you can, if you stop digging at the surface. If you want the truth - spend an extra 10 minutes in your research.
Oh yeah, don't forget the crazy Astronot underwear bitch chasing her boyfriend from Houston to Florida. Last I heard she was teaching a class somewhere in Texas, wearing a GPS tracking device on her ankle. As always - The Right Stuff.
@dyslexicjim Thats it? that is all you got? One crazy astronaut who wasn't even a part of the apollo program? and yes, the burden of proof is all yours because YOU made claims about them being characterless, not me. You can't prove anything because you know that your shit stinks.
@dyslexicjim that's because you can't. your claims are bogus and you are an idiot. at least you tried to be funny with the Donny Osmond bit. Too bad you misspelled his last name. Oh hey, you must be one of those astronauts you just talked about! You know the ones who can't spell names right...?
@imranite I guess you being an outsider, wouldn't know. Visit some of the old establishments in Coco Beach, talk to a few people., I have relatives there that lived there through the 60's. Then talk to sim techs that work there today....Otherwise, you've won nothing, as you are just as ignorant as you were when this converstaion began.
And my attempt at being you --- Ewhhh, slam dunk baby-----
@imranite You see Imranite, if you wanna an education, you gotta do your homework. One day you'll be out of grade school and this lesson will help you get through that jr College your lookin at.
@dyslexicjim Jr. College. That's probably where you went, or didn't. No wonder why you can't think big. Let me perform a mid-course correction on you: I was getting my Masters degree in New York while you were probably flipping burger and thinking up conspiracy theories in Houston.
@dyslexicjim But the fact is this: You came swinging at me and I knocked the shit out of you. You made some allegations about the astronauts, but when I asked you to prove it all and back it up, you balked! You got all defensive, started talking about trials and shit, changing topic, and hurled juvenile at me. You could not prove shit. You still can't, and you never will, because you are full of shit. You are a complete failure, and "FAIL" will be my reply to all your future comments.
@imranite You knocked the shit out of no one. I could tell you that 4 of them had sex with my aunt...would it matter...you'd still want proof...more and more and more. It is not forthcoming, never. Maybe she had a friend, maybe. Maybe they had orgies? who knows without pictures...but wait, they look photo shopped....on and on.
You claim they are saints - fine belief....prove it..... You see, you can't. Calm cool and collected - always. Are you sure?
@dyslexicjim lol, have you ever heard of "innocent till proven guilty"? you must have, since there is no need to go to college to know that bit.
now I got you talking about your aunt. I sure did fuck with your brain.
as for calm, cool and collected; being a NASA brat, you could access the recorded data. then, listen to their voices on the main flight directors loop as they read the problems back to earth, or read Gene Kranz's book. educate yourself, instead of talking about ur aunt.
@dyslexicjim and yes i know you arent really talkin about your aunt ( or are you..?) but yes, i d still need authentic, unedited photos of those encounters :-P
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>>>>>>>>>>>"The scene was a dramatization, solely for the purpose of making the flm more enjoyable. The conversation never took place during the real Apollo 13 mission."
You don't know that. You weren't there so why are you making up BS?
How about you listen to the DVD commentary by Jim Lovell where he **explicitly* says that this conversation never took place, before you accuse anyone of making up BS? Or perhaps you could read "Lost Moon: The Perilous Voyage of Apollo 13" by Lovell himself, and see that this conversation is *never* mentioned? And peraps *you* will stop making up BS?
@trustnoone81 remember when they had to turn everything off cause they had 16 hrs of lem or cm battery life left... why didnt they just flip it back on before reentry cause all they really had on were filters, radio, and idk what else but why did they have to make a new reentry procedure if they had 16 hrs of battery left
I don't really remember the details, but keep in mind that film editing makes calculations about time very difficult for us viewers. Also, how much you can last depends on how much power you draw, do you remember if when they said 16 hours they referred to the bare minimum operation energy requirement? Because the energy to run the bare minimum equipment for 16 hours could very well be insufficient to run navigation for an useful time, heat up the parachutes, check pyro bolts..
@trustnoone81 it was the Lem batteries... idk about the CM well either way the essential hardware is the parachuets, nav, and to heat a few things up which i dont think could draw so much aps in 16 hrs to force a new landing sequence... ill have to watch it again and get u some more info on what they were talking about
Ah, the LEM batteries! Well, remember how the fictional John Aaron mentions how reversing the CM-LEM power umbilical would result in an extremely inefficient transfer, with lots of lost power (hence the "yeah, but all we're talking about here is 4 amps"), that's why they had to come up with a new power-up proceure, the reversal of the umbilical had never been simulated.
@trustnoone81 yes but the CM was shut down when they had 16 hrs of life support in there... and only the lem drew its own amps which should have lasted a day and a half which would have been fri or thurs mid day but even then the lem was only drawing power from the radio and some other things which was why i got me confuzed
@thelittlemind At any rate, "hours" is a *terrible* way to measure electrical energy availability. It doesn't take into account the *rate* at which you're drwaing energy (ie. power). The same energy amount (Joules) can last 16 days or 2 seconds if its drawn at different power rates (Watts, or Volts times Amperes). Which is why they always add "at the rate at which their consuming power now" when they use time to say much energy the have left. For the exact numbers, you should read the book.
@trustnoone81 its just that... if u turn something off... its not suppose to draw anything.... so when the CM turned off... the guys should have been running on lem power not CM power... which in the end they just had to turn on the CM and have a nromal time cause it takes 3 to 5 min o fentry time and u have 16 hrs of battery life
@thelittlemind The power of the batteries were compromised by the cold. they lost much of their juice sitting dormant, but there was not enough "juice" available to keep the systems in the LEM operating. Rather a sticky wicket.
@CounterCultureLives thats the Lem but the CM was turned off... Samething with the lem but in the end the CM was all they neeeded to have enough power. also does cutting the fuel cell or w/e its called have an impact on battery power?
@thelittlemind Without the fuel cells, the CM batteries are quickly drained. As with he LEM, the cold robs the CM batteries of their juice as well. in a way, it turned out to be a bit of a blessing in disguise that Ken Mattingly was bumped from the flight after charlie Duke came down with the measles. Charlie had helped design the wiring sequences for the LEM, and Ken was most knowledgeable in the wiring and electrical systems in the CM.
@CounterCultureLives Although Charlie Duke had the measles, when he learned of the main bus disconnect, he immediately knew the crew was in serious trouble. Without waiting for a call, he got out of bed and headed over to NASA. Although the movie does not show it, Charlie and Ken Mattingly both worked in he CM & LM simulators to rewrite the flight programs for power-up of the CM.
correction: the best scene in the movie was "im sick and tired of the entire western world knowing how my kidneys are functioning" or possibly "when i go up there on 19, im bringing my entire collection of johnny cash"
@CA1CWilliams they filmed those scenes on a zero gravity flight aboard a KC 135. The plane flies in parabolas and gives you a few seconds of microgravity.
@CA1CWilliams well they did parabolas many times a trip, but many scenes were ground shots, with the guys pretending to float by moving back and forth, up and down
@CA1CWilliams miming. Obviously they wont mime the whole body shot when they float up and down, but you can do a lot of miming while sitting down. The seat can move, people can also use wire although Ron Howard said in the interview that they didn't use any wires. I don't know the exact technique they used, but you can do many things that aren't really happening :-)
I would not of been able to keep my cool if I were in that situation. Being in a tight space only meant for two people, when there were three. Being thousands upon thousands of miles away from home, little to no power and a very slim chance of getting home alive.
i was watching this movie a few days ago and the thing that really pissed me off is when jim,fred and jack was filming while being in thespacy odyess thing the media didnt even show it on tv but when the explosion happen the media a film crue wasnt long putting it on the media that apollo 13 was in a crisis i dont think it should have been done in this movie after what the media did
I can confirm several recent comments: I put the question of "artistic license" to Cmdr. Lovell, in Indianapolis in Jan of (approx.) 06. He said emphatically, "The movie did take artistic license. That argument did not happen. We had a fairly serious job to do, and we didn't have enough time or oxygen to argue."
This movie amped up the drama unnecessarily and made the astronauts caricatures; namely Haise being a redneck and Swigert being mostly clueless. In reality they were all amazing pilots and consummate professionals.
There's a lot that's wrong about the Apollo 13 movie; From the Earth to the Moon got a lot more realistic. Fred Haise is depicted as being a bit stupid in the movie, and Jack Swigert, someone who can't be trusted with running a spacecraft; neither is true, and it damages their reputation.
That and the fact that according to both men, this argument never happened. Astronauts from the old school were straight up fighter jocks though, which could be misconstrued as ignorance. I don't think there reputation was damaged. They've got a statue of Jack Swigert at Denver international airport.
I don't know, I just found that he's depicted as some typical Southern stereotype, which is probably wrong considering he's also depicted as someone trusted with the responsibility of running the spacecraft, so...
@youvebeenthunderstru I never felt that it depicted Haise as stupid and honestly I don't see how you see that. I took his attitude in the film as him simply resenting the fact that they're friend Mattingly was bumped for the mission, which is why he seemed to be so harsh towards Swigert. And in regards of Swigert, I felt he was depicted simply as someone Jim and Fred didn't know to well and thus didn't completely trust to pilot the ship...almost like a 'rookie' on the mission.
Which is in itself wrong, because if you didn't know how to operate during the mission they most certainly wouldn't put you on. And don't forget Apollo 13 was Haise's first mission as well. Swigert was quite well known before Apollo 13 in NASA, despite not yet having flown a mission.
For questions 1 and 4: Human beings by nature are curious with what is unknown. This is an evolutionary mechanism which helps the survival of the species.
For questions 2 and 3: The US space program is the most prestigous of the lot. You could say that Russia's program is equally as advanced however the cultural and political differences between western and eastern society encourages us to stick with our own western culture, thus only focusing on the space program most prevelent in the west.
Because its in human's genes to expand and explore, the fact that the destination was the moon only made it that much more of a reason to go there. There isnt a single culture in history that wasnt amazed by the moon or dreamed of going there, it was the most anticipated endeavor in history. As for why people relate it to Americans is because we won the space race, and the only other competeror at the time was soviet Russia. I suppose we still hold that position because of back then,
it was not detectable by the gauge reading because it was an assembling mistake. some years ago they change the system voltage from 28 to 65 volts, but they've forgot to change the coils of the tank to the elevated voltage level. The problem is that the gauge only showed FULL, but FULL meant 65 and not 28 ... so they got a short when using the tanks and the oxygen didn't come out with 65°F and 16 psi but with 500°F and 220 psi. BOOM
It was actually the thermostat inside the tank that was not switched. Temp gauge didn't go above 80F. When the system was energized, the thermostat fuzed. It was supposed to shut off at 80 but kept climbing. Temp eventually got to 1000F in the tank. This was b4 launch. High temp. caused the insulation on electrical wiring to erode. With bare wiring, when he stirred the tank he got an arc in a pure oxygen environment. That caused the tank to explode.
Damn it freddo! what difference does it make what the guage was reading?!!? You cant get an accurate guage reading without stiring the tanks first asswipe!
now go figure out how long the LM's Lithium hydroxide is gonna hold out!
Jacks "THIS IS NOT MY FAULT" Reminds me of the right stuff when Gus said "it's not y fault! the hatch just blew!"
TheeRealJRCroblox 2 weeks ago
Jack: Oh what are you saying freddo Fred: oh I think you know what I'm saying
Jack: Now wait a minute All I did was stir those tanks
Fred: I just asked you what the gauge was reading.... ( Jim talking in background ) Fred: AND YOU DONT KNOW!!!!!!! Jim : Were not gonna go bouncing off the walls for 10 mins were gonna end back here with the same problems ( Houston talking on radio ) Jim : ARE WE ON VOX?! Fred : NO were not on vox JIM: Yes houston this is aquaris go ahead..
MsMaci1 2 months ago
@MsMaci1 In real life, the gauge read off-scale high. So they stirred the tanks to try and find out why (an idiot technician on Earth had forgotten to properly install a thermostat which lead to a dangerous pressure buildup), which resulted in the disaster.
Mazryonh 2 weeks ago
this scene took place when they were arguing i have the movie
MsMaci1 2 months ago
IF you dont know what CM means its command modlue if anybody doesnt know
MsMaci1 2 months ago
at the end he was like AND U DONT-- it got all staticy on DONT HE SAYS: AND U DONT KNOW!!!!!
MsMaci1 2 months ago
Bill should have said:
game over man! game over!
wtf are we gonna do now, what are we gonna do?
Bill's been great since Weird Science.
1251wire 3 months ago
Anyone have the whole scene?
armorall1000 3 months ago
Say what u want about the scene being real but one thing is for sure; Kevin Bacon can act!
captainjjb84 3 months ago
Astronauts aren't the type of people who are prone to bickering with each other. Their lives literally depend on them being able to work together smoothly. In fact, astronauts are probably better at working together than any other profession.
TheAle89515 4 months ago
@TheAle89515 Tell that to former astronaut Lisa Nowak.
Mazryonh 2 weeks ago
@Mazryonh Exception, not the rule.
TheAle89515 2 weeks ago
@TheAle89515 As Sam Harris said, "The fact that our paleolithic genes have access to 21st century technology is, from the POV of our evolution, little different from having given it to chimps." Barring drastic change, humans will prove to be "too human" in space, just as they have on Earth. All it takes is the right (or wrong) trigger.
For example, I have to wonder how long Aldrin and Armstrong would have lasted before giving into despair if the LM failed to lift off . . .
Mazryonh 2 weeks ago
This scene is a fake. It didn't happen. Director's imagination.
lakeeriejew 6 months ago
id like to see the minute before and after this.
SonLastName 6 months ago
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Cosmicmoron 6 months ago
A memorable scene, but this never took place. there was no "blow up" between the astronauts.
CounterCultureLives 6 months ago 5
@CounterCultureLives READ THE DESCRIPTION -_-
LegendaryMythicHero 1 week ago
Kevin can stir my tanks [sorry bit rude!!].
italymad 9 months ago
i have read The lost moon,
green66vw 9 months ago
cat fight...in the comments section and in space!
misterfunnybones 9 months ago
I was 11 when I saw this film at the cinema and this scene made me think that Kevin Bacon was some kind of baddie.
graemeoliver84 10 months ago
@graemeoliver84 He's not a baddie haha. Houston just fucked him over by telling him to do something that he didn't have a proper readout for.
yesiamawizardjonny 9 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny I was only young, didn't understand everything that was going on and Kevin Bacon sometimes gives off a bit of a jerk vibe.
graemeoliver84 9 months ago
Yah, very memorable?!?
McChuugy 1 year ago
@alphaaquarii They Did Have the agremument if u have speacail edition of the cdjimm will say we acuttly did have a agrueement
alecsaify 1 year ago
I watch this on my nintendo wii all the time LMAO
bathbeads10 1 year ago
I wanted that fight to happen irl
bathbeads10 1 year ago
They probably had slap fights
bathbeads10 1 year ago
even if the conversation never took place, it looks like it cud've taken place
atomichead777 1 year ago
Ron Howard uses a lot of drama that never took place in many of his movies. In Cinderella Man, Max Baer is actually a nice guy but they needed him to be a villian for the movie. He never threatened to kill Jimmy Braddock in the ring. But, it made a better story line.
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim No matter what was going on, the astronauts, back then, always sounded calm, cool and collected. They could be reading back multiple cautions and warnings back to MCC, and a by stander would think that everything is normal. However, that wouldn't really sell at the box office, so they had to spice it up and add some drama. For example, Gene Kranz wasn't the launch director, Milt Windler was, but the audience could care less about Windler, so they showed Kranz directing the launch.
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite Are you kidding? These guys were pilots. Most of them spoiled bratts that couldn't tell the truth to save their lives. They all cheated on their wives and thought their crap didn't stink. The only these three stooges are alive today is because of the guys on the ground.
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim ok, prove everything you just said.
imranite 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim I d be actually interested in what you have to reveal about these men. Just a minor correction: only two of these three "stooges" are alive today. Swigert died of cancer in the 80s.
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite You have to be kidding? What happens in Las Vegas, stays in Vegas, or in this case, Houston, the Cape, and everywhere inbetween....
And yes you moron, I saw the movie, not to mention, I'm a NASA bratt, Jack died of cancer. You knew what I meant when you read it, and if that is the only case you can make, get over yourself, you got nothin.
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim What doesnt happen in vegas stays there too, until conspiracy theorists come along with their stupidity. I have no case to make. The burden of proof is on you. Being a NASA brat doesn't mean shit, so why don't you put up or shut up?
imranite 1 year ago
The burden of proof doesn't lie with me, I'm not prosecuting anyone. If you want to prove these men (the astronaut corp) were saints, you can, if you stop digging at the surface. If you want the truth - spend an extra 10 minutes in your research.
Oh yeah, don't forget the crazy Astronot underwear bitch chasing her boyfriend from Houston to Florida. Last I heard she was teaching a class somewhere in Texas, wearing a GPS tracking device on her ankle. As always - The Right Stuff.
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim Thats it? that is all you got? One crazy astronaut who wasn't even a part of the apollo program? and yes, the burden of proof is all yours because YOU made claims about them being characterless, not me. You can't prove anything because you know that your shit stinks.
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite Go back to your movies little boy. Maybe someday an real astronaut will autograph a picture for you - and even spell your name right.
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim LOL. You crap does stink. You can't back your claims up. Once again, you lose.
FAIL.
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite Blah Blah Blah. You're not old enough to understand. I'm not "going" to back up my claims.....
Go away little boy.......go away little boys.....(Donny Osmand).
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim that's because you can't. your claims are bogus and you are an idiot. at least you tried to be funny with the Donny Osmond bit. Too bad you misspelled his last name. Oh hey, you must be one of those astronauts you just talked about! You know the ones who can't spell names right...?
You lose, yet again.
EPIC FAIL.
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite I guess you being an outsider, wouldn't know. Visit some of the old establishments in Coco Beach, talk to a few people., I have relatives there that lived there through the 60's. Then talk to sim techs that work there today....Otherwise, you've won nothing, as you are just as ignorant as you were when this converstaion began.
And my attempt at being you --- Ewhhh, slam dunk baby-----
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim Like I said - no one is on trail here - you don't get to make the rules.....
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@imranite You see Imranite, if you wanna an education, you gotta do your homework. One day you'll be out of grade school and this lesson will help you get through that jr College your lookin at.
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim Jr. College. That's probably where you went, or didn't. No wonder why you can't think big. Let me perform a mid-course correction on you: I was getting my Masters degree in New York while you were probably flipping burger and thinking up conspiracy theories in Houston.
imranite 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim But the fact is this: You came swinging at me and I knocked the shit out of you. You made some allegations about the astronauts, but when I asked you to prove it all and back it up, you balked! You got all defensive, started talking about trials and shit, changing topic, and hurled juvenile at me. You could not prove shit. You still can't, and you never will, because you are full of shit. You are a complete failure, and "FAIL" will be my reply to all your future comments.
Beat it
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite You knocked the shit out of no one. I could tell you that 4 of them had sex with my aunt...would it matter...you'd still want proof...more and more and more. It is not forthcoming, never. Maybe she had a friend, maybe. Maybe they had orgies? who knows without pictures...but wait, they look photo shopped....on and on.
You claim they are saints - fine belief....prove it..... You see, you can't. Calm cool and collected - always. Are you sure?
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim lol, have you ever heard of "innocent till proven guilty"? you must have, since there is no need to go to college to know that bit.
now I got you talking about your aunt. I sure did fuck with your brain.
as for calm, cool and collected; being a NASA brat, you could access the recorded data. then, listen to their voices on the main flight directors loop as they read the problems back to earth, or read Gene Kranz's book. educate yourself, instead of talking about ur aunt.
FAIL
imranite 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim and yes i know you arent really talkin about your aunt ( or are you..?) but yes, i d still need authentic, unedited photos of those encounters :-P
FAIL
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite Sorry dude, but Apollo was fake. It's just a fact..
yesiamawizardjonny 9 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny It is your fact, which means that it is not a fact at all.
imranite 9 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny Another one of those loonies...
SgtMustang 7 months ago
@imranite NASA actually put camera's in the simulators, to knock off the non sense going on in them.
dyslexicjim 1 year ago
@dyslexicjim you still haven't proven anything you said. come back when you got something.
imranite 1 year ago
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>>>>>>>>>>>"The scene was a dramatization, solely for the purpose of making the flm more enjoyable. The conversation never took place during the real Apollo 13 mission."
You don't know that. You weren't there so why are you making up BS?
SuperCruiser72 1 year ago
@SuperCruiser72
How about you listen to the DVD commentary by Jim Lovell where he **explicitly* says that this conversation never took place, before you accuse anyone of making up BS? Or perhaps you could read "Lost Moon: The Perilous Voyage of Apollo 13" by Lovell himself, and see that this conversation is *never* mentioned? And peraps *you* will stop making up BS?
trustnoone81 1 year ago 44
@trustnoone81 i have a question about this movie that has been on my mind for a while ever since i watched it several times
thelittlemind 7 months ago
@thelittlemind
by all means, what would the question be?
trustnoone81 7 months ago
@trustnoone81 remember when they had to turn everything off cause they had 16 hrs of lem or cm battery life left... why didnt they just flip it back on before reentry cause all they really had on were filters, radio, and idk what else but why did they have to make a new reentry procedure if they had 16 hrs of battery left
thelittlemind 7 months ago
@thelittlemind
I don't really remember the details, but keep in mind that film editing makes calculations about time very difficult for us viewers. Also, how much you can last depends on how much power you draw, do you remember if when they said 16 hours they referred to the bare minimum operation energy requirement? Because the energy to run the bare minimum equipment for 16 hours could very well be insufficient to run navigation for an useful time, heat up the parachutes, check pyro bolts..
trustnoone81 7 months ago
@trustnoone81 it was the Lem batteries... idk about the CM well either way the essential hardware is the parachuets, nav, and to heat a few things up which i dont think could draw so much aps in 16 hrs to force a new landing sequence... ill have to watch it again and get u some more info on what they were talking about
thelittlemind 7 months ago
@thelittlemind
Ah, the LEM batteries! Well, remember how the fictional John Aaron mentions how reversing the CM-LEM power umbilical would result in an extremely inefficient transfer, with lots of lost power (hence the "yeah, but all we're talking about here is 4 amps"), that's why they had to come up with a new power-up proceure, the reversal of the umbilical had never been simulated.
trustnoone81 7 months ago
@trustnoone81 yes but the CM was shut down when they had 16 hrs of life support in there... and only the lem drew its own amps which should have lasted a day and a half which would have been fri or thurs mid day but even then the lem was only drawing power from the radio and some other things which was why i got me confuzed
thelittlemind 7 months ago
@thelittlemind At any rate, "hours" is a *terrible* way to measure electrical energy availability. It doesn't take into account the *rate* at which you're drwaing energy (ie. power). The same energy amount (Joules) can last 16 days or 2 seconds if its drawn at different power rates (Watts, or Volts times Amperes). Which is why they always add "at the rate at which their consuming power now" when they use time to say much energy the have left. For the exact numbers, you should read the book.
trustnoone81 7 months ago
@trustnoone81 its just that... if u turn something off... its not suppose to draw anything.... so when the CM turned off... the guys should have been running on lem power not CM power... which in the end they just had to turn on the CM and have a nromal time cause it takes 3 to 5 min o fentry time and u have 16 hrs of battery life
thelittlemind 7 months ago
@thelittlemind The power of the batteries were compromised by the cold. they lost much of their juice sitting dormant, but there was not enough "juice" available to keep the systems in the LEM operating. Rather a sticky wicket.
CounterCultureLives 6 months ago
@CounterCultureLives thats the Lem but the CM was turned off... Samething with the lem but in the end the CM was all they neeeded to have enough power. also does cutting the fuel cell or w/e its called have an impact on battery power?
thelittlemind 6 months ago
@thelittlemind Without the fuel cells, the CM batteries are quickly drained. As with he LEM, the cold robs the CM batteries of their juice as well. in a way, it turned out to be a bit of a blessing in disguise that Ken Mattingly was bumped from the flight after charlie Duke came down with the measles. Charlie had helped design the wiring sequences for the LEM, and Ken was most knowledgeable in the wiring and electrical systems in the CM.
CounterCultureLives 6 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Although Charlie Duke had the measles, when he learned of the main bus disconnect, he immediately knew the crew was in serious trouble. Without waiting for a call, he got out of bed and headed over to NASA. Although the movie does not show it, Charlie and Ken Mattingly both worked in he CM & LM simulators to rewrite the flight programs for power-up of the CM.
CounterCultureLives 6 months ago
@CounterCultureLives thats why they had a power shortage... thnx man
thelittlemind 6 months ago
@SuperCruiser72
"You weren't there..."
Irrelevant. Not being there doesn't negate the documented data - interviews, recorded conversations, etc that exist.
travelsonic 1 year ago
@SuperCruiser72
Also line by Gene Kranz ("failure is not an option") wasn't born that time - he mentioned it in this context, by long after those events.
AnteyPL 1 year ago
@SuperCruiser72 no need for verbal abuse buddy!
xxoolps 9 months ago
ken mattingly would have stirred the tanks better.
GorterPoss 1 year ago
correction: the best scene in the movie was "im sick and tired of the entire western world knowing how my kidneys are functioning" or possibly "when i go up there on 19, im bringing my entire collection of johnny cash"
alltimelowforever100 1 year ago
im wondering how they got them to float like that.
CA1CWilliams 1 year ago
@CA1CWilliams they filmed those scenes on a zero gravity flight aboard a KC 135. The plane flies in parabolas and gives you a few seconds of microgravity.
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite that explains it :]
cept instead of a few seconds its a lot longer than that :D
CA1CWilliams 1 year ago
@CA1CWilliams yea, around 25-30 secs or so.
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite and they did all that with that little time? wow
CA1CWilliams 1 year ago
@CA1CWilliams well they did parabolas many times a trip, but many scenes were ground shots, with the guys pretending to float by moving back and forth, up and down
imranite 1 year ago
@imranite well there u say up and down,how would they do that i wonder..
CA1CWilliams 1 year ago
@CA1CWilliams miming. Obviously they wont mime the whole body shot when they float up and down, but you can do a lot of miming while sitting down. The seat can move, people can also use wire although Ron Howard said in the interview that they didn't use any wires. I don't know the exact technique they used, but you can do many things that aren't really happening :-)
imranite 1 year ago
Nah the best scene from the movie was "we gotta make THIS fit into THIS using THIS"
MrWaeseL 1 year ago
I would not of been able to keep my cool if I were in that situation. Being in a tight space only meant for two people, when there were three. Being thousands upon thousands of miles away from home, little to no power and a very slim chance of getting home alive.
I'm sorry but I would of pissed my pants.
Bethefisher 1 year ago
i was watching this movie a few days ago and the thing that really pissed me off is when jim,fred and jack was filming while being in thespacy odyess thing the media didnt even show it on tv but when the explosion happen the media a film crue wasnt long putting it on the media that apollo 13 was in a crisis i dont think it should have been done in this movie after what the media did
william2186 1 year ago
kevin bacon made this movie watchable
Daflaminasian 1 year ago
I STIRRED THE DAMN TANKS!!!!!
Julian24151 1 year ago
I can confirm several recent comments: I put the question of "artistic license" to Cmdr. Lovell, in Indianapolis in Jan of (approx.) 06. He said emphatically, "The movie did take artistic license. That argument did not happen. We had a fairly serious job to do, and we didn't have enough time or oxygen to argue."
Paladin1649 1 year ago
Actually one of my favorite scenes of the movie, to bad it's not all here in this clip.
mitchtay99 1 year ago
I've had social moments like this, I admit
mitchtay99 1 year ago
"Hey, don't tell me how to fly the damn CM! I won't tell you how to drive a pickup into tornado, okay?"
cygnus122 1 year ago
i love this movie but it makes swigert look like an idiot not true!
MrZquin 1 year ago
This movie amped up the drama unnecessarily and made the astronauts caricatures; namely Haise being a redneck and Swigert being mostly clueless. In reality they were all amazing pilots and consummate professionals.
txff2002 1 year ago
true true. :S
predatortheme 1 year ago
There's a lot that's wrong about the Apollo 13 movie; From the Earth to the Moon got a lot more realistic. Fred Haise is depicted as being a bit stupid in the movie, and Jack Swigert, someone who can't be trusted with running a spacecraft; neither is true, and it damages their reputation.
youvebeenthunderstru 2 years ago 10
That and the fact that according to both men, this argument never happened. Astronauts from the old school were straight up fighter jocks though, which could be misconstrued as ignorance. I don't think there reputation was damaged. They've got a statue of Jack Swigert at Denver international airport.
MrPaglissi 2 years ago
@youvebeenthunderstru
I don't disagree, but, when is he depicted as being stupid??
Just curious.
Anything2DoWithFilm 2 years ago
I don't know, I just found that he's depicted as some typical Southern stereotype, which is probably wrong considering he's also depicted as someone trusted with the responsibility of running the spacecraft, so...
youvebeenthunderstru 2 years ago
@youvebeenthunderstru
"I could eat the ass outta a dead rhinoserus!"
Ok, I get you now
xD
Anything2DoWithFilm 2 years ago
@youvebeenthunderstru
How is Fred Haise depicted as being stupid?
jroberts7387 1 year ago
@jroberts7387 i didnt think it did!! i met fred haise recently at an autograph fair and i found him very nice,friendly and an intelligent man!!
goldyn12345 1 year ago
@youvebeenthunderstru I never felt that it depicted Haise as stupid and honestly I don't see how you see that. I took his attitude in the film as him simply resenting the fact that they're friend Mattingly was bumped for the mission, which is why he seemed to be so harsh towards Swigert. And in regards of Swigert, I felt he was depicted simply as someone Jim and Fred didn't know to well and thus didn't completely trust to pilot the ship...almost like a 'rookie' on the mission.
Krypton88 1 year ago
Which is in itself wrong, because if you didn't know how to operate during the mission they most certainly wouldn't put you on. And don't forget Apollo 13 was Haise's first mission as well. Swigert was quite well known before Apollo 13 in NASA, despite not yet having flown a mission.
youvebeenthunderstru 1 year ago
Dear All,
I have some questions about psychology:
(1) Why do we enjoy space travel and flying?
(2) Why do we have a perception that space is closer related with America?
(3) Why do we relate space and aviation with Americans' culture and values?
(4) Why do we so curious what is in the sky?
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE for your creative ideas and brainstorm!!! :)
applesweeter 2 years ago
For questions 1 and 4: Human beings by nature are curious with what is unknown. This is an evolutionary mechanism which helps the survival of the species.
For questions 2 and 3: The US space program is the most prestigous of the lot. You could say that Russia's program is equally as advanced however the cultural and political differences between western and eastern society encourages us to stick with our own western culture, thus only focusing on the space program most prevelent in the west.
TheRationalRant 2 years ago 2
Thank you for your answer! :)
applesweeter 2 years ago
(1) Humans are curious.
(2) Americans got to the moon first.
(3) Aviation was invented in America and the majority of space missions have been held in America.
(4) We are human.
Stevenup7004 2 years ago
Thank you for your answer!!! :)
I just have some further:
(1) Why do we feel that space food is so interesting and special?
(2) why do we love the feeling for zero gravity?
applesweeter 2 years ago
Because its in human's genes to expand and explore, the fact that the destination was the moon only made it that much more of a reason to go there. There isnt a single culture in history that wasnt amazed by the moon or dreamed of going there, it was the most anticipated endeavor in history. As for why people relate it to Americans is because we won the space race, and the only other competeror at the time was soviet Russia. I suppose we still hold that position because of back then,
NelielTuOderswank 2 years ago
snap...
ItalianBandit 2 years ago
Ah ok, it was like that, i heard about that years ago and it was a bit out of my mind. Thanks for the explanation :)
Greetings from Germany (english isn't my mother language)
heros2110 2 years ago
it was not detectable by the gauge reading because it was an assembling mistake. some years ago they change the system voltage from 28 to 65 volts, but they've forgot to change the coils of the tank to the elevated voltage level. The problem is that the gauge only showed FULL, but FULL meant 65 and not 28 ... so they got a short when using the tanks and the oxygen didn't come out with 65°F and 16 psi but with 500°F and 220 psi. BOOM
heros2110 2 years ago
It was actually the thermostat inside the tank that was not switched. Temp gauge didn't go above 80F. When the system was energized, the thermostat fuzed. It was supposed to shut off at 80 but kept climbing. Temp eventually got to 1000F in the tank. This was b4 launch. High temp. caused the insulation on electrical wiring to erode. With bare wiring, when he stirred the tank he got an arc in a pure oxygen environment. That caused the tank to explode.
blackbtty123 2 years ago 3
Damn it freddo! what difference does it make what the guage was reading?!!? You cant get an accurate guage reading without stiring the tanks first asswipe!
now go figure out how long the LM's Lithium hydroxide is gonna hold out!
ferdmert 2 years ago 3
"What was that gauge reading before you hit the switch?"
Oh its on now!
bulletburposmiley 3 years ago 2