Who cares what does that have to do with your evidence showing a law that states Obama is a Natural Born Citizen? Still waiting your evidence? Again you continue showing your inability for independent thought and your own research. The fact is the "Law of Nations" was included in Article 1, Sec 8, Clause 10 and recognized in the Constitution providing a definition of a Natural Citizen and that Title 8 Covers all but the Citizen it described! Can't be denied. Its fact! Where's your Evidence?
@theonlyhabsfan What a moron you are. "The Law of Nations" is not included in the Constitution. Clause 10 has nothing to do with de Vattel's book. Anyone who could actually read English (let alone do the research) would know that. Let's look at this logically: the Founders are defining Congress' powers to battle piracy and a) crimes against the laws of other nations or b) crimes against a book. Which makes sense? Not forgetting that if writing a book's title, they would have....
@tgear77 - Clause 10 - To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the "Law of Nations"; See it's Quoted: U.S. Constitution Article 1, Sec 8. That's evidence! Not a delusion!
We The People Against Corruption in the Campaign to Remove and Indict Obama day 511 November 23/2011. This whole hearing in my humble opinion was a sham transaction to moneylaunder the estate of Honey R Siegal deceased. I met with Orly over a year ago. I appears imho she is playing both sides. I know that Mr. Cook created the estate of Honey R Siegal deceased and dissolved the USA in CV98-11374 in the State of Arizona. Who blew up the buildings? DEAD trumps it al. I AM NOT DEAD.
The Speaker of the NH House of Representatives has announced that he has ordered the NH State Police to start a criminal investigation into the conduct of NH Representatives Accornero, Harry; DeLemus, Susan; Baldasaro, Al; Baldasaro,Alfred. These are the reps that supported the birther attempt to remove Obama from the Ballot.
The criminal investigation concerns the misconduct that these members displayed after the decision to keep Obama on the ballot was rendered.
@ThePaidTroll Thats actually GOOD NEWS because now we can get to the bottom of WHY the panel was 4 Democrats and 1 Republican, when NH law states and makes SURE that the panel MUST never have less than 2 democrats or 2 republicans and any hearing.. The Panel was ILLEGAL from the get go!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn You still are not facing reality. There are two Republicans on the panel as required by law. Specifically Bradford E. Cook who is the Commission Chairman as well as Commission member Jameson S. French are both registered Republicans whether you like it or not. .
Also, it is not the panel that is being investigated so it is difficult to ascertain why you believe that it is. Again you just do not seem to be living in reality.
I am not calling anyone a racist, however everyone has to admit that it is very interesting that for 200 years NH processed White Presidential Candidates and admitted them on the ballot after they did no more then submit an application and paid a fee and that was fine with everyone.
But now after 200 years since NH will not ask a Black Candidate for more information then they have asked of the White Candidates for 200 years, NH is all of a sudden corrupt and involved in a vast conspiracy.
@ThePaidTroll When the panel is supposed to be either (3 Dems & 2 Repubs) or (3 Repubs & 2 Dems) by LAW, but instead they had 4 Dems & 1 Repub on the panel, THAT IS ILLEGAL!
@KenyanBornObamAcorn I believe you would serve yourself well to check your facts again regarding the makeup of the NH Ballot Commission.
Two of the NH Ballot Commission members are Republicans. Specifically both Commission members Bradford E. Cook and Jameson S. French are registered Republicans. By your own stated understanding of NH Law this satisfies the requirements as set forth by NH Law regarding the party affiliation of NH Ballot Commission members. There is nothing illegal about it.
@KenyanBorn Not only is the NH Ballot Commission legally represented by two Republicans and three Democrats but in addition to this, the Chairman of the NH Ballot Commission who rendered the decision to keep President Obama on the Ballot is Registered Republican Bradford E. Cook.
While you seem to be slightly more informed then Birther Attorney Orly Taitz who claims that all five members of the Commission are Democrats, you still do not seem to have a firm grasp of the reality of the situation
@ThePaidTroll mumbled:"But now after 200 years since NH will not ask a Black Candidate for more information then they have asked of the White Candidates for 200 years"
Dude, what the hell does his being black have to do with his using stolen Social Security Numbers and forged documents. Are you saying we should let this slide because he is Black? The fact he is black isn't anyone's fault smart guy so your Race Card has been declined. No one listens to it anymore.
@Ultramediacorp No I am not saying that you should let a crime slide if you believe that one has been committed. What I am saying is that if you believe that a crime has been committed then bring your evidence to a law enforcement officer or to a court of law. However when you bring it to a ballot commission that has not investigated a crime in 200 years and say that they are corrupt because they do not change the way that they do things because the candidate is black that is quite interesting.
@ThePaidTroll You are the only one that finds it interesting, I think it's irrelevant. What you are suggesting is that this is racially motivated based on what? Because it happens to be the first time someone as been trying to get Obama to show his ORIGINAL LFBC? May I remind you that it was Barack Obama who insisted John McCain submit to a full congressional inquiry to his eligibility. Do you see anyone suggesting Obama did that because he hates white people? NO! IT, LIKE YOUR IDEA IS SILLY
@ThePaidTroll Look just because you voted for Obama to prove you aren't racist, only becomes an issue if you don't vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not a complete idiot. Of all the legitimate reasons there are to hate Obama's guts, what damn color his skin is has got to be the most insignificant. It amazes me that you think it is so DAMN Important. Look if ALL blacks were as anti American, as Obama, I'd be a BIGOT but I don't think there are many Blacks that like Obama either.
@ThePaidTroll Now what the commission seems to miss is that his eligibility DOES NOT satisfy the rules they spoke of simply because he is NOT a natural born citizen and Obama's own BC proves it. He may be native born but for Presidents, they made it a little higher standard to qualify, requiring he be a Natural Born Citizen and Obama is NOT. Yes it is unfortunate the first Black President would defraud us, but that is NOT our fault.
@Ultramediacorp There were 3 law suits challenging McCains eligibiltly.
One was from Markham Robinson of Vacaville, chairman-elect of California's American Independent Party, Another was from Presidential Candidate Allen Keys and the third was filed by The American Independents, a conservative party that was plagued by factional infighting, There were no suits filed by Obama or the Democratic Party. Obama supported and signed S Res 511 declaring McCain eligible.
@Ultramediacorp The rules that they spoke of were filing out the application and paying the fee in accordance with NH law. If someone believes that a crime has been committed they are free to bring the complaint to a criminal court, get a finding from a trier of fact that a crime has occurred and bring that finding to the Ballot Commission and demand that Obama be stricken from the ballot because he was found to have committed a crime.
@Ultramediacorp Native born Americans are American Indians which is a race that was here before the Pilgrams. All others are either Natural Born or Naturalized Citizens. If they are Natural Born that means that they were American Citizens at Birth as defined in Title 8 sec 1401 of the US Codes. If they are Naturalized that means that they applied for and were granted US Citizenship after birth. However, there is no classification in US law for a Native born US Citizen as you have suggested.
As far as not many Blacks liking Obama goes, the polls do not agree with your findings.
I guess we will have to wait and see just what percentage of Blacks change parties and vote for the Republican nominee in the 2012 election and what percentage vote for Obama to see if your theory that Blacks do not support Obama proves to be true or if it is just wishful thinking on your part.
@VillemarMxO I just love sheeple like you, that run around youtube talking out your ass, but refuse to look at any or all of the proof. Barry said it for himself, on video, that he was not born in the united states of america. His digitally released "official" Birth Certificate, has been proven by many professionals, to be a fraudulent document. Not to mention the countless other solid facts to prove he's a fraud. If you can't take the time to find the truth, then you shouldnt be on here talking
@gspcsandmobiles Lol, shut the fuck up. How do you explain the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspapers? Time travel? But really, there's no point in arguing with a Birfer. AT BEST a Birfer is batshit crazy. AT WORST a Birfer is a die hard racist that hates black people. Which one are you? A little bit from Column A and a little bit from Column B, if I had to guess.
@VillemarMxO Do a little research and you'll get your newspaper answer. Too lengthy to explain here. Hmm which one am i? Neither...... I originally laughed about the "birther crap" didn't give 2 shits about what they were saying. Then it started to bug me that I may be being lied to, and I absolutely hate a liar. So I decided to start doing a ton of digging around looking for facts on both sides. Sadly, the more I dug, the more I found out I was being lied to. I can't even begin to tell how many
@VillemarMxO mumbled:"How do you explain the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspapers? Time travel?"
You stupid Obots also believe Obama tells the truth. The newspaper announcements don't mean shit. They were generated from a list sent from the department of health not the hospitals or the parents. Hawaii also issued certifications of live births to children not born in Hawaii which also would have been sent to the newspapers. The announcements don't prove a birth in Hawaii.
@gspcsandmobiles hours of research i've done by now. The more I find i'm being lied to, the more I dig. As for option 2, far from racist. Yes I am white, but ask anyone who knows me, and you'll find that if I was racist towards anyone, it would be whites. I've got far more close friends that are; native or black. Funniest part about this racist shit, is every black I have asked, "who's more racist, blacks or whites?" They all say black people are more racist.
@AdamsOlympia "Birthers are such disrespectful scumbags."
It's better to be "disrespectful scumbags" that abide by the laws of the land and the Constitution than to be a dumbed down mainstream nitwit with their head buried in the sand and just accept "what is" like you're doing.
Kenyan-born US Senate, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan.
@mikestheman3 The original article, written for a Chicago newspaper, did not have "Kenyan-born" in its text. Only after the article was picked up by the AP and used in papers all over the world did an editor at a paper in Africa insert 'Kenyan-born" into the article. I love when idiot Birthers trot out this old lie as if it proves Obama was born in Kenya. Get your facts straight.
He didn't seal his personal records, you brainwashed douche bag ... I bet you didn't even read that executive order did you? You just ASSUMED because other birthers said that's what it was... Seriously, you are a lemming who would follow your fellow birthers off a cliff (you already have)
@AdamsOlympia You seem to be uninformed...go to the White House website and go to Presidential Orders and then look under the 1st couple and you will see for yourself - you brainwashed idiot! LMAO!! He sure as hell did! Obama said that Hawaii was in Asia, so I guess by his OWN words he's not eligible to be POTUS - LMAO again.
That is a lie. The executive order you are refering to is executive order #13489 ... If you actually READ the document you would see that it has NOTHING to do with his personal records. All this executive order (Obama's first executive order) did was rescind Bush's executive order #13233 which allowed former presidents and their family members to block public access to WHITE HOUSE records. By getting rid of this Bush executive order, Obama made the White House more transparent.
By the way, Every president has gaffes ...What's different here is that you have to dig back 2 years to find a glaring gaffe Obama made. Obama was very much unlike his predecessor who made newsworthy Gaffes every week!
Why are you so willing to lie and spread propaganda about a document (Obama's first executive order) you have clearly never read? I've studied history and the outright lies that right wing propagandists promote is VERY similar to Nazi-Era propaganda .... These lies are so easily proven as well -- it's like conservatives don't care about their lack of credibility!
@DMooker What a moron you must be. The Executive Order that Obama signed dealt with the Presidential Record, not his personal records. The Presidential Record is a recording of the daily activities of each sitting President kept by the National Archives. Obama's Ex. Order canceled out the restrictions placed on access to the PR by Bush and returned the status to how it was under Reagan. You didn't even bother to read the Order before you started posting lies.
So..... let me get this straight.... when a few birthers show up to shout "traitor" at a commission that's doing it's Job, they are patriots, but when one anti-birther shows up to see what's going on so the rest of us can be entertained by birther foolishness, she's an "obot spy"?
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!
Why would anyone need a 'spy" at a public hearing? ROFLMAO
You people watch waaaaaaaay too many cheap spy thrillers.
Well, America absolute proof that all levels of you government simply ignore the U.S. Constitution! Even the "Live Free or Die" State! But you probably have more important things to do? or worry about? The law says they are touphold election Law! The Constitution prescribes Presidential qualifications? Guess what it's not a Law to be enforced! I think they should be tried for treason! Provided they took an Oath to support and defend the Constitution! I'm also sure they did?
(1). People: Do you realize that WND, Joe Arpaio, all branches of your Government are all playing sophisms with the Birth Certificate Issue! I mean why not just read the law? See (18) comments and 16 reasons below! Obama is illegal to serve per the Constitution and Title 8! The Birth Certificate is irrelevant! Obama can’t be impeached because he’s ineligible and illegally holding the office. Both sides are in collusion to keep Obama in Office!
(2). Obama is Not a Natural Born Citizen! 1. The Constitution unequivocally states “No Person except a Natural Born Citizen”. It’s not open to interpretation. 2. The Constitution just as clearly allows for only two types of citizens, A. Natural Born or B. Naturalized. I also know that by defining one: I can also define the other, and that's common sense! Only an amendment can alter the Constitution So Court cases are completely irrelevant also!
@theonlyhabsfan Chapter 12, Section 1401 (a) shows that by virtue of his birth on US soil, Obama is a National and Citizen of the United States. He is not subject to naturalization nor was he ever, turd ball. Argue all you want about the nationality of his father, but that does not change the fact that due to jus soli, Obama is perfectly eligible to be President. Blather all you want but were even one iota of what you claim true, someone of consequence would have used it against him. You lose.
(3). Per Article 5: The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof,
(4). Obama is illegal and a Fraud! When will Americans Wake UP?
Americans are giving away their country and their Natural Rights and Liberties and by doing so, those of others! All via the willful and unlawful actions of their own Government, to not enforce Immigration Law!
1. Both Parties put up two illegal Candidates 2008!
2. Both Candidates acquired Citizenship via USC Title 8,
I will present the truth in the following comments:
(6). 4. NATURALIZATION - The conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever. 8 USC: The act by which an alien; is made a citizen of the United States of America.
5. NATURALIZED CITIZEN - One who, being born an alien; has lawfully become a citizen of the United States Under the constitution and laws.
6. Alien - any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
@theonlyhabsfan Sorry, but due to jus soli, the citizenship of Obama's father does not make Obama an alien. You Birthers can try and twist the facts all you want, but the truth remains that Obama is the perfectly eligible and legally elected President of the US.
(7). 7. A little fact they failed to explain: Per Title 8 Sec, 1401!
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
Note: Both Child and Parents Born in the U.S. (not a U.S. Citizen)?
(8). Per the U.S. Constitution article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 - To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; So Question should be given the previous definitions: Where did Congress get Authority to Rule on a Natural Born Citizens; Citizenship? Still waiting for the OBOTS to Answer it?
@theonlyhabsfan Watching you try to reason with the facts is hilarious. Please don't go back on your meds because you would stop being so ridiculous and rob us of the pleasure of your idiocy.
(10). 8. Americans – Created an Original Society when they created and adopted the U.S. Constitution. 9. Were they Native to the land? NO! They were the intruding foreign Culture! See Indigenous! 10. Were they Native? NO! As it goes to Original! See Native! So hence the use of Natural: Are they Natural to the society they formed? Yes! Are they original to that new Society? Yes! That’s the reason they used Natural Born Citizen! It’s that Simple!
@theonlyhabsfan Bullshit. No one knows for sure why the phrase Natural Born Citizen was used since the Founders failed to provide a definition for it. But they definitely did not use the one you provide. They Founders had to include a Grandfather clause in order for them to be able to become President someday. They would not have to have done so if they were using your logic. Go ahead and keep shooting yourself in the foot, turd ball.
@tgear77 - Dude I just showed you the law! It states Collective Naturalization! Naturalized is not Natural!
Natural is defined Begotten without the sanction of law! How stupid are you? Grandfather Clause? Go read the Definitions of Native and Indigenous: Goes to original! Anyone who was a citizen at the adoption were original to the newly founded Constitutional society United states of America! It's not a grandfather clause! Your absurd delusions are just that! Moron!
@theonlyhabsfan You are the one with the absurd delusions. Go re-read the Constitution (if you have ever bothered to read it in the first place) and you will see that the Founders set up a grandfather clause to allow the likes of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc. to become President. Your claim that they would be 'Natural' to the Society they founded would make that clause unnecessary. So the Founders own words in the Constitution blow your theory out of the water. Asswipe.
@tgear77 - Talk, Talk, Talk! I cited the law! Go read the 18 comment i posted earlier on this video! P.S. It will be obvious that I have read them as I quoted them! Do you realize how stupid you look? right here on the world wide web! but hey thanks for helping me prove it! Dipshit!!! :-) LMAFO!
@theonlyhabsfan First off, half of your 18 points have nothing to do with the law. Second, others that you quote have nothing to do with Obama. You throw a lot of BS out there, but that does not make it true. Third, you have no idea what the Grandfather Clause of the Constitution is which demonstrates how little you understand. Finally, as all Birthers fail to realize, if there was anything to their argument, it would have been used to take Obama down by now. None of you can dance around that.
(11). 9. Per the U.S Constitution Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5: Requires the President to be a Natural Born Citizen! Again; The Term and Phrase: Natural Born Citizen: If you create a new society, under a new Constitutional Legal System then anyone one who was a Natural Born Citizen or Citizen at the time it was adopted, our Original to it, and can only after it’s creation be Native and or indigenous to the society! Hence not a grand father clause! As many try to persuade.
(12). 10. Positive law (lat. ius positum) is the term generally used to describe man-made laws which bestow or remove specific privileges upon an individual or group. Contrast this with natural law
which are inherent rights, not conferred by act of legislation? Note two separate and distinct legal systems! Can a Country have both? Is it possible the U.S. legally recognized Natural Law? YES! AND YES! As, they did in the Declaration.
(13). Per the Declaration of Independence and continued in the preamble with “WE THE PEOPLE”. “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the “Laws of Nature” and of “Nature's God” entitle them,
(15). 13. Law of Nations: 212. “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."
1758 Original: French: "Les Naturels ou indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays de Parens Citoyens." (Notice the use of "Naturels", Meaning - Naturals "indigènes" meaning - Native in english)!
(16). 14. A natural born citizen can in no way be considered “Alien”. As they are born to citizens on the Soil that is the U.S: 15. The Legal Jurisdiction over such a Citizen cannot be held in question! 16. A Natural Born Citizen has no need of a Grant, from the U.S. Congress in anyway, to obtain Citizenship! So the Birth Certificate is entirely irrelevant to his eligibility, and yet both sides of the issue are lying to you; for some personal gain?
(17). When you go to the polls ask yourself: How exactly do I go and willingly cast my vote, for one of their candidates? Why are you allowing this to happen? Why are 435 Members of Congress, 100 Members of the Senate, 9 Supreme Court Justices, 50 States Governors’ All silent? A cricket makes more noise! Just Say goodbye to your Natural Rights under Natural Law: and say; ZEEK HILE OBAMA! Goodbye; America!
@theonlyhabsfan You ask why they are "All silent"? It is because they know the laws of the US and realize that Obama, by virtue of his birth in Hawaii, is legally eligible to be President. And BTW, it is "Seig Heil", not "Zeek Hile". You truly are a moron.
@tgear77 - Again, I have quoted the law! You just babel stupidity, A Naturalized Citizen is granted Citizen ship per the laws created by man! A Natural Citizen does not receive a such grant! That's why Title 8 Part 1 States Collective Naturalization. By the Way jus soli, first use per Merriam Webster was 1902! Again Naturalized is not Natural! The only citizen not included in title 8 is one born of citizen parents in the U.S.! The Parents, Child and Birth Place can't be considered Alien. Da!
@theonlyhabsfan Title 8 says no such thing. The law of the US states that if you are born on US soil, you are a US citizen. There is no naturalization involved. Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana was born on US soil to 2 parents who were citizens of India at the time. He is a Natural Born Citizen in the eyes of the law and was even being courted to run for the GOP nomination. You are clueless.
@theonlyhabsfan I did read it, moron. You obviously have no language comprehension ability at all. Section 1401 has nothing to do with Obama at all. Obama, by birth in Hawaii, is eligible to be President. Were it not true, someone of authority, be it Edwards, Biden, Clinton, McCain, Boehner, Cantor, the FEC, The RNC, the DNC, etc would have had him struck down by now. Yet no one has because he is legally eligible to be President. You are clueless.
@tgear77 - Thats' funny! Go learn the Function of "and" Dipshit! Makes a connection or Addition: Alien (Obama's Father) and Nationality, Chapter 12 adds "Immigration" to Nationality (already connected to Alien) Subchapter 3: adds "Naturalization" to (Aliens Nationality, Immigration). Part 1: Adds "Collective Naturalization", to again the previous connections (Alien, Immigration, Naturalization and Collective naturalization). It's called a logical Path! Using term Nationality! Learn to read!
@theonlyhabsfan The nationality of Obama's father means nothing, moron. Natural Citizenship is granted in two ways: jus soli and jus sanguis. The first applies to Obama, the second to McCain. Your whole argument is based on the fact that you do not understand the law and are too ignorant to realize it. Your logical path leads to a dead end. You have yet to explain how everyone else of consequence is wrong and you are right. Knowing you, you'll go for the "vast conspiracy" answer.
@theonlyhabsfan LOL! Jus soli dates back to 507 BC. Jus sanguis even further back. You read the M W Dictionary blurb and thought you actually knew something. You are such an asswipe. Just answer me this: why doesn't Justice Scalia, the most conservative of all SC Justices state that NBC is based on jus soli? Are you saying that you know more about the law than he does?
@tgear77 - Merriam Webster is relevant to it's usage in English language of American Society. If you weren't a moron you might realize that when interpreting the constitution, one must look at original context and intent of the founder fathers. You would also understand that "No person except a Natural Born Citizen Is an eligibility requirement to be President! Changing the way an alien is naturalized and becomes a Citizen, is irrelevant. As Art 5 Req. an amendment to alter the constitution.
@tgear77 - Continued: But your a moron, So you can't separate your delusions from reality! Still waiting for the evidence! Article 1, Sec 8 Clause 4. Congress rules on Naturalized citizens. Article 2, sec, Clause 5, provides for a natural born citizen, per Art 1, sec 8, Clause 10 the founders provide reference to the Law of Nations (Vattel) provides a definition of a natural citizen. which proves original knowledge and intent. Still waiting "Evidence". Not your delusions. Moron!
@theonlyhabsfan There is nothing in the Constitution that refers to de Vattel's "The Law of Nations". In fact, the Founders only had access to his work in the original French text. Nowhere in that text does de Vattel use the phrase 'citoyen de naissance' which is the translation for 'Natural Born Citizen'. The phrase NBC was not added to de Vattel's work until an English translation produced by a NYC publisher in 1797, well after the Constitution had been written. You lose again.
@tgear77 - Well, gee that's the first intelligent you've come up with! Congratulations! :-)
Your absolutely right! Your congress violated the Constitution and if your a citizen your 14th amendment protections by authorized a non-uniform naturalization policy. just as they choose not to enforce immigration laws and even state they recognize dual citizen ship! Because your government is violating virtually every protection you have in the constitution. Now go read the Citizenship Oath! Moron!
@tgear77 - Article 1, Sec 8 Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the "Law of Nations";
(French version 1758) Les "Naturels" (Natural) ou indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays de "Parens" (Parents) "Citoyens". (Citizens)! Its all there just like i've already stated! Still waiting your evidence?
Justice Thomas; We're evading the eligibility issue - 4/16/10
watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Eu6OiTiua08 (See it for yourself)
Since you like Swiss Philosophy so much you should become Swiss. Or better yet go out and found your own country where you can adopt Swiss or French Law or any kind of law that you want.
However, here in the US we are going to continue to do our own thing.
If you want to be with us then assimilate. If you do not wish to assimilate then just get out.
Or you can just stay here and remain as miserable as you are.
@Lyric695 - You are actually stupid aren't you? For your information The philosopher most associated with Natural Law as instituted in the United States is a man named John Locke who also happened to write the South Carolina Constitution as well! But hey its not your fault your a Trained Monkey not capable of independent learning? Perhaps you should try reading his two treatises of Government, Human Reasoning and thoughts on education. Monkey!
@theonlyhabsfan Locke wrote the Constitution for the Carolinas in which he, as a major investor in a slaving company, allowed for slavery (making him a profiteer off of his writings and a hypocrite since he had written against slavery in other works) and also for the forcible removal of Native American tribes from their lands. Bragging about his writing of the SC Constitution is like complimenting Joe Kennedy for profiteering off of the Nazis. Learn the facts, asswipe.
@tgear77 _ well I really don't care how he handled his personal affairs he died in 1704! Per Thomas Jefferson he viewed "Locke as one of top 3 people in human history"! That tells of his influence upon the U.S. Why don't you provide a copy of his banking and investment records to support your statements. See that's the difference hear I support my statements with concrete evidence like the Law itself! and actual writings, Not the absurd sophism's of others. I'm still waiting for your evidence?
@theonlyhabsfan What an idiot you truly are! You have supported your claims with nothing but your delusional readings of documents yet I am supposed to pull up John Locke's banking records? I notice that you have repeatedly ignored answering my question as too how everyone of consequence does not view the law the way you do. Where is your answer for that? The reason I pointed out Locke's shortcomings was that you offered up his writing of the SC Const. as if that made him ...
@tgear77 - I mean look at your own comments here: You even show your lack of individual thought by repeating my statements! LMAO! :-). Well you made accusations against the dead man. A moral person would be able to support them! But then you can find the words Like Natural Born Citizen in a law when they don't exist? Ignoring words like Alien,Naturalization, Immigration and Collective Naturalization? It's certainly not I who is delusional! Again, Thanks for helping me prove my points! Evidence?
@theonlyhabsfan I want to ask you an honest question in a calm and respectful manner and I would appreciate a calm and honest answer
Lets say that today the Supreme Court ruled that Natural Born Citizenship does not require US Citizen Parents and further ruled that President Obama is the legitimate President of the US having met all requirements for the office,
Would that be the end of it for you?
Would you then say well OK I guess that settles it the issue has been resolved?
@Lyric695 - Like I said the supreme Court is not the final arbiter of the Constitution. "No person except a Natural Born Citizen" Tell me what do you see that is open for interpretation there? Per Article 5, the only way to alter the clause is via an amendment.
Title 8, States he was granted Citizenship via "Collective Naturalization" under Part 1. The only reason they don't here it, is because they would have to uphold it!
@theonlyhabsfan John Locke and his friend Anthony Cooper, the Lord Shaftsbury, invested heavily in the Royal African Company, which had been granted a monopoly on England's enslaving Africans and selling them as slaves, in 1671. Locke sold his shares in 1675 for a large profit. There is your evidence of Locke's involvement of slavery. Check any biography on him and it will show that he did profit off the selling of slaves. Again, you lose, asswipe.
@tgear77 - Well, that's relevant to Obama's Eligibility, How? Still waiting for a law that states Obama is a Natural Born Citizen? P.S. You provided no creditable source in your statement? Not evidence! But then you can find the words Like Natural Born Citizen in a law when they don't exist? Ignoring words like Alien,Naturalization, Immigration and Collective Naturalization? It's certainly not I who is delusional! Again, Thanks for helping me prove my points! Still waiting Evidence?
@theonlyhabsfan No, it is not all there since de Vattel never used the phrase 'Natural Born Citizen' and the Founding Fathers did. There is no direct connection between the Founders' use of the phrase NBC and what you quote from TLON. Without such a connection, one can not state that the Founders were using the text. You lose. As for clause 10, they were not referring to de Vattel's book, but the law of foreign nations. Only Birther loons stretch things like you do.
@tgear77 - Again with your stupid dribble? Go read Vattel's "Law of Nations" That is what they referred to because he was the first to write a law of Nations that dealing with the concepts of a Nation based on Natural Law. I suppose you think the revolution was a spontaneous event that no one could see coming! Oh I keep forgetting your a "Trained Monkey! P.S. Vattels book deals with the relations of nations, really go try and read it! I mean ask a friend if you have one! Monkey! LMAO! :-()
@theonlyhabsfan Bullshit. Read the commentaries written over the last 200 years about Clause 10. Not one refers to de Vattel's work. You are beyond pathetic. In one post you rant about John Locke and his writings on Natural Law and now you claim that it was de Vattel who came up with the concepts, even though Locke predates him by a century. But none of that matters since the Founders were not referring to de Vattel when they were granting Congress the power to deal with piracy.
@tgear77 Again Vattel's work wasn't relevant in respect to the development of Natural Law, Its relevancy was it served as frame work for International relations and trade, given the expectation of a nation adopting Natural Law as its primary legal system. To date no other Nation has officially adopted Natural Law! Go back and read your declaration! Moron!
@theonlyhabsfan Again,.every treatise written on Clause 10 from Blackstone to present day fails to mention de Vattel's book. Why? Because the Founders were not referring to it when they were granting Congress the powers expressed in Clause 10. Speak to any lawyer versed in Constitutional law and watch them laugh their ass off at you. Asswipe.
@theonlyhabsfan Article 1, Section 8 states that Congress shall have the power to set up a uniform system of naturalization. The Constitution did not create such rules and does not provide a definition for NBC. Once again, you prove that you have never read the Constitution of the US.
@tgear77 -So, what exactly are you saying, I have wrong? Definitions of Natural, Naturalization, Positive Law, Natural Law, Law of Nations definition of “Naturel Citoyens" 1758, Just so you know I quoted them! The Laws like the Constitution Art 1, Art 2, the 5th amendment. Again quoted! The Math problem? Scientifically proven Set theory? Note: Congress defined A Naturalized Citizen when that wrote the law, not me. So just show us the law states Natural Born Citizen? Still waiting? Your evidence
@theonlyhabsfan When are you birthers going to realize that all your efforts are in vain. The reason why no one pays any attention to what you are saying and no one takes the actions that you want taken is because no one agrees with your interpretation of what a natural born citizen is. Not the courts, not Congress not the Republicans nor the Democrats. Your only hope is to get behind a candidate that you support and try to win the election. Your wasting your time with the birther stuff.
@Lyric695 - Well You can choose to be ignorant and believe your delusions but the laws are clear and I have read them! Again, like a true OBOT you spew your idiotic ramblings and assert I'm a "birther" like an immature child! I am not talk about his birth certificate! I'm simply showing the law which clearly proves Obama and McCain were both Illegal Candidates! So, if you wish to dispute what I have quoted? The submit you evidence and dispute it? But your entitled to choose to be ignorant!
@theonlyhabsfan The only one choosing to be ignorant here is you. Your posts have proven that you can not comprehend English, that you did not know what the grandfather clause in the Constitution was, that you had to look up what jus soli meant (and then used the Merriam Webster dictionary as your source) and that you are too ignorant to realize that the country has proven you wrong. All your temper tantrums won't change the fact that Obama is the legally elected President.
@tgear77 - Well you just spew your absurdities, still waiting for evidence? I provided the English lesson for free, that's no charge! Again, with your absurd Grandfather clause; The one writing the law can write what ever they want, so no need to right a grandfather clause! They created a Nation based on Natural Law, first of a kind and natives not included. (Making them the original citizens). Hence new term needed. You only define a word (in Law) if its used outside the norm. No need to define
@theonlyhabsfan Article II: "No Person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,...". That is the Grandfather Clause, placed in the Constitution so that the Founders could possibly run for President in the future. Yet you argued that those present at the birth of a society are Natural Born Citizens. The Founders have put you in your place, moron.
@tgear77 - Natural - begotten with the sanction of law, Inherant; not acquired! Naturalized as defined by Congress in Title 8 "Aliens and Nationality" (Obama's father Alien) Naturalization:The conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever. 8 USC. Scientifically proven via Mathematics (set operations)!
@theonlyhabsfan Subset B is actually further broken down into { y + z} where y = 'all Natural Born Citizens via jus soli' and z = 'all Natural Born Citizens via jus sanguis'.
So the formula is actually U = (A) + (y + z).
You are right - it is Basic Math. No need to thank me for correcting your error. You were probably a C student in Math anyway.
@Lyric695 - You don't dispute what I say because I didn't say it the law says it! No Court has agreed with you because they haven't made judgement. All you do is provide you absurd opinions, based on the perceptions of others. Like a trained monkey you repeat every sophism your masters put out. So go back to your dancing girls and live as they tell. Like a good little monkey! Don't bother using that pea brain of yours! Thanks for showing the world you have no evidence of his eligibility?
@theonlyhabsfan Then why didn't any of his opponents for the Democratic nomination raise this point? Clinton, Biden and Edwards are all attorneys who know far more about the law than you do. Yet they never claimed he was ineligible. Why didn't McCain, desperate to win the election and with hundreds of lawyers working for him, never raise this point? It would have made him President. Why did the RNC never bring this up during the campaign? You can't answer because you are wrong.
@theonlyhabsfan If you were not so ignorant and blind to all but your own convictions, you would realize that I have disputed what you have said all along.
What I am trying to point out to your pea brain is that it does not matter that I dispute what you say.
The reality of your situation is that there is plenty of evidence that should cause even an ignorant fool like you to realize that your cause has gone nowhere and is going nowhere
@Lyric695 - My you are a sad case! My case has not been argued in the court! Because the courts are corrupt. If you weren't an ignorant trained Monkey, you would realize that. So I choose to go to the public at large! As they are the final arbiter of the laws in America! If you knew something about american law you would know that! Still waiting on the Evidence? Here's a prediction for you; Obama won't be reelected, be cause people are learning the truth! You being here proves it! Monkey
@theonlyhabsfan The reason that your case has not been argued in court is because you are asking the court to do something that it does not have the authority to do. Specifically, you are asking state and Federal Courts to determine if a sitting US President is eligible to serve in the office to which he was elected. If you had any sense at all you would realize that US State and Federal courts are not authorized to make that determination.
@theonlyhabsfan For your further education, while it is true that the public at large is the final arbiters of the law, the way that the public at large accomplishes the arbitration is by electing State and Federal Judges and lawmakers to make these final decisions. You have done your job by electing them and they have done their job by telling you that you are wrong.
I hope this clears up your confusion but I doubt it as your confusion appears to be permanent.
@Lyric695 - Sorry, "Monkey" but that is as ridiculous as every utterance you've made! Again, thanks for showing you have know evidence to dispute the laws I quoted. That's why we have elections often, to correct the government, that takes an educated public. But like I said if you something more that a trained monkey you wouldn't bother writing your delusions down for the world to see! So again thanks for your help! Monkey! People will read this and awaken! Change will take place?
I see that in some ways you just pretend to be stupid. I agree with you that if you do not like your elected officials then vote them out of office if you can.
However, engaging in birtherism and calling the US Supreme Court,US State and Federal Courts and US Ballot Commissions corrupt because they do not have the authority to determine whether a sitting US President is eligible to serve just shows your ignorance and frustration at your situation.
@theonlyhabsfan Of course Justice Thomas said "We're evading the eligibility issue". You are probably one of those birthers who believe the Supreme Court will one day say the hell with the Constitution and get involved, At this point, the Justice Department does not even bother to draft new motions to dismiss. They just serve a copy of the same old motion citing the courts lack of authority in this matter and of course the courts agree. However we love to see you waste your time
@Lyric695 - Unlike you at least (tgear77) finally proved to be capable of independent thought! The Supreme court has ruled that your declaration of independence was not a legal document. What does that tell you Monkey? Just as they charged King George "He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners"; They now use the department of education and immigration to usurp your rights! go read the declaration! Dip!
@theonlyhabsfan Don't even try it you ignorant fool. You have been crying about Vatell's book the Law of Nations all through the cartoon.
The funny part about you is that do you not realize that no one is ever going to pay attention to your birther nonsense. You also do not seem to realize that the only function that you serve is that you provide entertainment for people like me who despite your rantings know that your only real recourse is to hope that your candidate wins.
@Lyric695 I Talk, Talk, Talk! What you don't realize is I turn 3-4 people everyday. Just by doing this with, Monkey's like you! Then I don't even have a clue how many are turned just by reading your Dribbles of idiocy. The absurdities of your arguments. serve as the catalyst for those that can have an independent thought to research further. I know this to be true to because I frequently receive compliments and thank yous from readers of posts like this! LMFAO! Monkey! :-)
@theonlyhabsfan By the way do you realize that not only do birthers help Obama by causing all of the opposition to appear as nutty as you do but there is also a serious movement among many Birthers to punish the Republican Party for not taking up your crazy cause by sitting out the election so that Obama remains in office.
For Obama and his supporters the birther movement is the gift that just keeps on giving. Long may it live. Well hopefully at least until after the election.
@Lyric695 - Again you show your absolute stupidity! If you read my comments 1-18, I posted at the beginning, You would know that I think, all Americans should ban and lock up both parties leadership for Treason, as they both put up fraudulent candidates in 2008! I mean do not think they know what their doing? Oh, sorry I forgot; your the trained Monkey, incapable of independent thought! Go read the 27 charges laid against King George in the Declaration? See if they apply today! Monkey!
(18). In Summary: The Laws are clear it is that simple; we allow for only 2 types of Citizens!
a. Naturalized those created by the Constitution and Laws.
b. Natural Born - Those Created by conditions of Natural Law – Those born in the U.S. of Citizen Parents!
Again; every nation on earth unequivocally recognizes the citizenship of Natural Born Citizen, meaning no other Nation can apply Jurisdiction over Said Citizen.
As a principal of Natural Law a universal truth recognized by all nations.
@theonlyhabsfan God, you truly are delusional. I love when you idiot Birthers try and bypass the actual laws of the US and start to go on about these mythical, hypothetical "Natural Laws". Keep on posting your moronic diatribe since it is so amusing for those of us with I.Q.s 30 to 40 points above yours.
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Who cares what does that have to do with your evidence showing a law that states Obama is a Natural Born Citizen? Still waiting your evidence? Again you continue showing your inability for independent thought and your own research. The fact is the "Law of Nations" was included in Article 1, Sec 8, Clause 10 and recognized in the Constitution providing a definition of a Natural Citizen and that Title 8 Covers all but the Citizen it described! Can't be denied. Its fact! Where's your Evidence?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan What a moron you are. "The Law of Nations" is not included in the Constitution. Clause 10 has nothing to do with de Vattel's book. Anyone who could actually read English (let alone do the research) would know that. Let's look at this logically: the Founders are defining Congress' powers to battle piracy and a) crimes against the laws of other nations or b) crimes against a book. Which makes sense? Not forgetting that if writing a book's title, they would have....
tgear77 3 months ago
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@tgear77 - Clause 10 - To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the "Law of Nations"; See it's Quoted: U.S. Constitution Article 1, Sec 8. That's evidence! Not a delusion!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
We The People Against Corruption in the Campaign to Remove and Indict Obama day 511 November 23/2011. This whole hearing in my humble opinion was a sham transaction to moneylaunder the estate of Honey R Siegal deceased. I met with Orly over a year ago. I appears imho she is playing both sides. I know that Mr. Cook created the estate of Honey R Siegal deceased and dissolved the USA in CV98-11374 in the State of Arizona. Who blew up the buildings? DEAD trumps it al. I AM NOT DEAD.
Honey R Siegal
HoneySiegalSurvivor 3 months ago
WELL THE BIRTHERS GOT THEIR WISH
THE NH BALLOT COMMISSION HEARING HAS RESULTED IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION
READ BELOW.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
MORE BAD NEWS FOR BIRTHERS
The Speaker of the NH House of Representatives has announced that he has ordered the NH State Police to start a criminal investigation into the conduct of NH Representatives Accornero, Harry; DeLemus, Susan; Baldasaro, Al; Baldasaro,Alfred. These are the reps that supported the birther attempt to remove Obama from the Ballot.
The criminal investigation concerns the misconduct that these members displayed after the decision to keep Obama on the ballot was rendered.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll Thats actually GOOD NEWS because now we can get to the bottom of WHY the panel was 4 Democrats and 1 Republican, when NH law states and makes SURE that the panel MUST never have less than 2 democrats or 2 republicans and any hearing.. The Panel was ILLEGAL from the get go!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn You still are not facing reality. There are two Republicans on the panel as required by law. Specifically Bradford E. Cook who is the Commission Chairman as well as Commission member Jameson S. French are both registered Republicans whether you like it or not. .
Also, it is not the panel that is being investigated so it is difficult to ascertain why you believe that it is. Again you just do not seem to be living in reality.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
I am not calling anyone a racist, however everyone has to admit that it is very interesting that for 200 years NH processed White Presidential Candidates and admitted them on the ballot after they did no more then submit an application and paid a fee and that was fine with everyone.
But now after 200 years since NH will not ask a Black Candidate for more information then they have asked of the White Candidates for 200 years, NH is all of a sudden corrupt and involved in a vast conspiracy.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll When the panel is supposed to be either (3 Dems & 2 Repubs) or (3 Repubs & 2 Dems) by LAW, but instead they had 4 Dems & 1 Repub on the panel, THAT IS ILLEGAL!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn I believe you would serve yourself well to check your facts again regarding the makeup of the NH Ballot Commission.
Two of the NH Ballot Commission members are Republicans. Specifically both Commission members Bradford E. Cook and Jameson S. French are registered Republicans. By your own stated understanding of NH Law this satisfies the requirements as set forth by NH Law regarding the party affiliation of NH Ballot Commission members. There is nothing illegal about it.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@KenyanBorn Not only is the NH Ballot Commission legally represented by two Republicans and three Democrats but in addition to this, the Chairman of the NH Ballot Commission who rendered the decision to keep President Obama on the Ballot is Registered Republican Bradford E. Cook.
While you seem to be slightly more informed then Birther Attorney Orly Taitz who claims that all five members of the Commission are Democrats, you still do not seem to have a firm grasp of the reality of the situation
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll mumbled:"But now after 200 years since NH will not ask a Black Candidate for more information then they have asked of the White Candidates for 200 years"
Dude, what the hell does his being black have to do with his using stolen Social Security Numbers and forged documents. Are you saying we should let this slide because he is Black? The fact he is black isn't anyone's fault smart guy so your Race Card has been declined. No one listens to it anymore.
Ultramediacorp 3 months ago
@Ultramediacorp No I am not saying that you should let a crime slide if you believe that one has been committed. What I am saying is that if you believe that a crime has been committed then bring your evidence to a law enforcement officer or to a court of law. However when you bring it to a ballot commission that has not investigated a crime in 200 years and say that they are corrupt because they do not change the way that they do things because the candidate is black that is quite interesting.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll You are the only one that finds it interesting, I think it's irrelevant. What you are suggesting is that this is racially motivated based on what? Because it happens to be the first time someone as been trying to get Obama to show his ORIGINAL LFBC? May I remind you that it was Barack Obama who insisted John McCain submit to a full congressional inquiry to his eligibility. Do you see anyone suggesting Obama did that because he hates white people? NO! IT, LIKE YOUR IDEA IS SILLY
Ultramediacorp 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll Look just because you voted for Obama to prove you aren't racist, only becomes an issue if you don't vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not a complete idiot. Of all the legitimate reasons there are to hate Obama's guts, what damn color his skin is has got to be the most insignificant. It amazes me that you think it is so DAMN Important. Look if ALL blacks were as anti American, as Obama, I'd be a BIGOT but I don't think there are many Blacks that like Obama either.
Ultramediacorp 3 months ago
@ThePaidTroll Now what the commission seems to miss is that his eligibility DOES NOT satisfy the rules they spoke of simply because he is NOT a natural born citizen and Obama's own BC proves it. He may be native born but for Presidents, they made it a little higher standard to qualify, requiring he be a Natural Born Citizen and Obama is NOT. Yes it is unfortunate the first Black President would defraud us, but that is NOT our fault.
Ultramediacorp 3 months ago
@Ultramediacorp There were 3 law suits challenging McCains eligibiltly.
One was from Markham Robinson of Vacaville, chairman-elect of California's American Independent Party, Another was from Presidential Candidate Allen Keys and the third was filed by The American Independents, a conservative party that was plagued by factional infighting, There were no suits filed by Obama or the Democratic Party. Obama supported and signed S Res 511 declaring McCain eligible.
All this is public record.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@Ultramediacorp The rules that they spoke of were filing out the application and paying the fee in accordance with NH law. If someone believes that a crime has been committed they are free to bring the complaint to a criminal court, get a finding from a trier of fact that a crime has occurred and bring that finding to the Ballot Commission and demand that Obama be stricken from the ballot because he was found to have committed a crime.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@Ultramediacorp Native born Americans are American Indians which is a race that was here before the Pilgrams. All others are either Natural Born or Naturalized Citizens. If they are Natural Born that means that they were American Citizens at Birth as defined in Title 8 sec 1401 of the US Codes. If they are Naturalized that means that they applied for and were granted US Citizenship after birth. However, there is no classification in US law for a Native born US Citizen as you have suggested.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@Ultramediacorp
As far as not many Blacks liking Obama goes, the polls do not agree with your findings.
I guess we will have to wait and see just what percentage of Blacks change parties and vote for the Republican nominee in the 2012 election and what percentage vote for Obama to see if your theory that Blacks do not support Obama proves to be true or if it is just wishful thinking on your part.
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
@Ultramediacorp
What you seem to miss is that the NH Ballot Commission is not a court of law.
Since they are not a court of law, they do not have the authority to declare that a crime has been committed.
Lets just say that the commission had put Obama off of the ballot based on Taitz allegations of the crime of fraud.
All Obama would have to prove in an appeal is that he was never convicted or for that matter even prosecuted in a court of law for committing fraud.
Why waste the time?
ThePaidTroll 3 months ago
Birthers are fucking retarded racist assholes.
VillemarMxO 3 months ago
@VillemarMxO I just love sheeple like you, that run around youtube talking out your ass, but refuse to look at any or all of the proof. Barry said it for himself, on video, that he was not born in the united states of america. His digitally released "official" Birth Certificate, has been proven by many professionals, to be a fraudulent document. Not to mention the countless other solid facts to prove he's a fraud. If you can't take the time to find the truth, then you shouldnt be on here talking
gspcsandmobiles 3 months ago
@gspcsandmobiles Lol, shut the fuck up. How do you explain the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspapers? Time travel? But really, there's no point in arguing with a Birfer. AT BEST a Birfer is batshit crazy. AT WORST a Birfer is a die hard racist that hates black people. Which one are you? A little bit from Column A and a little bit from Column B, if I had to guess.
VillemarMxO 3 months ago
@VillemarMxO Do a little research and you'll get your newspaper answer. Too lengthy to explain here. Hmm which one am i? Neither...... I originally laughed about the "birther crap" didn't give 2 shits about what they were saying. Then it started to bug me that I may be being lied to, and I absolutely hate a liar. So I decided to start doing a ton of digging around looking for facts on both sides. Sadly, the more I dug, the more I found out I was being lied to. I can't even begin to tell how many
gspcsandmobiles 3 months ago
@VillemarMxO mumbled:"How do you explain the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspapers? Time travel?"
You stupid Obots also believe Obama tells the truth. The newspaper announcements don't mean shit. They were generated from a list sent from the department of health not the hospitals or the parents. Hawaii also issued certifications of live births to children not born in Hawaii which also would have been sent to the newspapers. The announcements don't prove a birth in Hawaii.
Ultramediacorp 3 months ago
@Ultramediacorp So what was the cause of your brain damage? Retardation from inbreeding, head injury, or what?
VillemarMxO 3 months ago
@gspcsandmobiles hours of research i've done by now. The more I find i'm being lied to, the more I dig. As for option 2, far from racist. Yes I am white, but ask anyone who knows me, and you'll find that if I was racist towards anyone, it would be whites. I've got far more close friends that are; native or black. Funniest part about this racist shit, is every black I have asked, "who's more racist, blacks or whites?" They all say black people are more racist.
gspcsandmobiles 3 months ago
So sad, Tracy, to always be on the losing side.
How are you enjoying your holiday leave from the state hospital?
JosephofSykesville 3 months ago
Birthers are such disrespectful scumbags. The NH committee was just following it's rules and procedures.
AdamsOlympia 3 months ago
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mikestheman3 3 months ago
@AdamsOlympia "Birthers are such disrespectful scumbags."
It's better to be "disrespectful scumbags" that abide by the laws of the land and the Constitution than to be a dumbed down mainstream nitwit with their head buried in the sand and just accept "what is" like you're doing.
Kenyan-born US Senate, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan.
June 27, 2004
mikestheman3 3 months ago
@mikestheman3 The original article, written for a Chicago newspaper, did not have "Kenyan-born" in its text. Only after the article was picked up by the AP and used in papers all over the world did an editor at a paper in Africa insert 'Kenyan-born" into the article. I love when idiot Birthers trot out this old lie as if it proves Obama was born in Kenya. Get your facts straight.
tgear77 3 months ago
Only those who have something to hide have their records sealed as Obama did by executive order just as fast as he could......evil bastard.
DMooker 3 months ago
@DMooker
He didn't seal his personal records, you brainwashed douche bag ... I bet you didn't even read that executive order did you? You just ASSUMED because other birthers said that's what it was... Seriously, you are a lemming who would follow your fellow birthers off a cliff (you already have)
AdamsOlympia 3 months ago
@AdamsOlympia You seem to be uninformed...go to the White House website and go to Presidential Orders and then look under the 1st couple and you will see for yourself - you brainwashed idiot! LMAO!! He sure as hell did! Obama said that Hawaii was in Asia, so I guess by his OWN words he's not eligible to be POTUS - LMAO again.
DMooker 3 months ago
@DMooker
That is a lie. The executive order you are refering to is executive order #13489 ... If you actually READ the document you would see that it has NOTHING to do with his personal records. All this executive order (Obama's first executive order) did was rescind Bush's executive order #13233 which allowed former presidents and their family members to block public access to WHITE HOUSE records. By getting rid of this Bush executive order, Obama made the White House more transparent.
AdamsOlympia 3 months ago
By the way, Every president has gaffes ...What's different here is that you have to dig back 2 years to find a glaring gaffe Obama made. Obama was very much unlike his predecessor who made newsworthy Gaffes every week!
AdamsOlympia 3 months ago
@DMooker
Why are you so willing to lie and spread propaganda about a document (Obama's first executive order) you have clearly never read? I've studied history and the outright lies that right wing propagandists promote is VERY similar to Nazi-Era propaganda .... These lies are so easily proven as well -- it's like conservatives don't care about their lack of credibility!
AdamsOlympia 3 months ago
@DMooker What a moron you must be. The Executive Order that Obama signed dealt with the Presidential Record, not his personal records. The Presidential Record is a recording of the daily activities of each sitting President kept by the National Archives. Obama's Ex. Order canceled out the restrictions placed on access to the PR by Bush and returned the status to how it was under Reagan. You didn't even bother to read the Order before you started posting lies.
tgear77 3 months ago
So..... let me get this straight.... when a few birthers show up to shout "traitor" at a commission that's doing it's Job, they are patriots, but when one anti-birther shows up to see what's going on so the rest of us can be entertained by birther foolishness, she's an "obot spy"?
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!
Why would anyone need a 'spy" at a public hearing? ROFLMAO
You people watch waaaaaaaay too many cheap spy thrillers.
witchtelus 3 months ago
Well, America absolute proof that all levels of you government simply ignore the U.S. Constitution! Even the "Live Free or Die" State! But you probably have more important things to do? or worry about? The law says they are touphold election Law! The Constitution prescribes Presidential qualifications? Guess what it's not a Law to be enforced! I think they should be tried for treason! Provided they took an Oath to support and defend the Constitution! I'm also sure they did?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(1). People: Do you realize that WND, Joe Arpaio, all branches of your Government are all playing sophisms with the Birth Certificate Issue! I mean why not just read the law? See (18) comments and 16 reasons below! Obama is illegal to serve per the Constitution and Title 8! The Birth Certificate is irrelevant! Obama can’t be impeached because he’s ineligible and illegally holding the office. Both sides are in collusion to keep Obama in Office!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(2). Obama is Not a Natural Born Citizen! 1. The Constitution unequivocally states “No Person except a Natural Born Citizen”. It’s not open to interpretation. 2. The Constitution just as clearly allows for only two types of citizens, A. Natural Born or B. Naturalized. I also know that by defining one: I can also define the other, and that's common sense! Only an amendment can alter the Constitution So Court cases are completely irrelevant also!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Okay. Since Obama is not a naturalized US citizen, by your own words he is a NBC. Thank you for finally seeing the truth.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Obama received Collective Naturalization! see note (<< SEE THIS) The COngress created two process of Naturalization! Try again Turd Ball!
TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
SUBCHAPTER III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION <<< SEE!
Part I - Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization <<< SEE!
(Sect 1401 Obama) and (Sec, 1403 McCain). Read the Words
(Natural Born Citizen – not found) because it’s Naturalization Law!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Chapter 12, Section 1401 (a) shows that by virtue of his birth on US soil, Obama is a National and Citizen of the United States. He is not subject to naturalization nor was he ever, turd ball. Argue all you want about the nationality of his father, but that does not change the fact that due to jus soli, Obama is perfectly eligible to be President. Blather all you want but were even one iota of what you claim true, someone of consequence would have used it against him. You lose.
tgear77 3 months ago
(3). Per Article 5: The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof,
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(4). Obama is illegal and a Fraud! When will Americans Wake UP?
Americans are giving away their country and their Natural Rights and Liberties and by doing so, those of others! All via the willful and unlawful actions of their own Government, to not enforce Immigration Law!
1. Both Parties put up two illegal Candidates 2008!
2. Both Candidates acquired Citizenship via USC Title 8,
I will present the truth in the following comments:
So all can witness the absurd OBOT revelations!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(5). 3. TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
SUBCHAPTER III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION
Part I - Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization
(Sect 1401 Obama) and (Sec, 1403 McCain). Read the Words
(Natural Born Citizen – not found) because it’s Naturalization Law!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(6). 4. NATURALIZATION - The conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever. 8 USC: The act by which an alien; is made a citizen of the United States of America.
5. NATURALIZED CITIZEN - One who, being born an alien; has lawfully become a citizen of the United States Under the constitution and laws.
6. Alien - any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
Obama’s Father British (Alien)
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Sorry, but due to jus soli, the citizenship of Obama's father does not make Obama an alien. You Birthers can try and twist the facts all you want, but the truth remains that Obama is the perfectly eligible and legally elected President of the US.
tgear77 3 months ago
(7). 7. A little fact they failed to explain: Per Title 8 Sec, 1401!
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
Note: Both Child and Parents Born in the U.S. (not a U.S. Citizen)?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan This one has absolutely nothing to do with Obama or McCain. It must hurt to stretch the truth so much.
tgear77 3 months ago
(8). Per the U.S. Constitution article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 - To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; So Question should be given the previous definitions: Where did Congress get Authority to Rule on a Natural Born Citizens; Citizenship? Still waiting for the OBOTS to Answer it?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(9). A little Basic Math Formula:
Let's See: I have a "Universal set" (Lets call it citizens) U=(X:X Is a Citizen of the US) This set has two subsets:
Subset {A} = (X: X Is a Naturalized Citizen)
Subset {B} = (X: X is a Natural Born Citizen)
{a} + {b} = {U} So If
{U} - {A} = {B}
(U=All citizens) –(A=Title 8 Citizens) = (B=Natural Born Citizens)! So by defining one you define the other!
U-A=B! It’s Basic Mathematics, Oh My!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Watching you try to reason with the facts is hilarious. Please don't go back on your meds because you would stop being so ridiculous and rob us of the pleasure of your idiocy.
tgear77 3 months ago
(10). 8. Americans – Created an Original Society when they created and adopted the U.S. Constitution. 9. Were they Native to the land? NO! They were the intruding foreign Culture! See Indigenous! 10. Were they Native? NO! As it goes to Original! See Native! So hence the use of Natural: Are they Natural to the society they formed? Yes! Are they original to that new Society? Yes! That’s the reason they used Natural Born Citizen! It’s that Simple!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Bullshit. No one knows for sure why the phrase Natural Born Citizen was used since the Founders failed to provide a definition for it. But they definitely did not use the one you provide. They Founders had to include a Grandfather clause in order for them to be able to become President someday. They would not have to have done so if they were using your logic. Go ahead and keep shooting yourself in the foot, turd ball.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Dude I just showed you the law! It states Collective Naturalization! Naturalized is not Natural!
Natural is defined Begotten without the sanction of law! How stupid are you? Grandfather Clause? Go read the Definitions of Native and Indigenous: Goes to original! Anyone who was a citizen at the adoption were original to the newly founded Constitutional society United states of America! It's not a grandfather clause! Your absurd delusions are just that! Moron!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan You are the one with the absurd delusions. Go re-read the Constitution (if you have ever bothered to read it in the first place) and you will see that the Founders set up a grandfather clause to allow the likes of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc. to become President. Your claim that they would be 'Natural' to the Society they founded would make that clause unnecessary. So the Founders own words in the Constitution blow your theory out of the water. Asswipe.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Talk, Talk, Talk! I cited the law! Go read the 18 comment i posted earlier on this video! P.S. It will be obvious that I have read them as I quoted them! Do you realize how stupid you look? right here on the world wide web! but hey thanks for helping me prove it! Dipshit!!! :-) LMAFO!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan First off, half of your 18 points have nothing to do with the law. Second, others that you quote have nothing to do with Obama. You throw a lot of BS out there, but that does not make it true. Third, you have no idea what the Grandfather Clause of the Constitution is which demonstrates how little you understand. Finally, as all Birthers fail to realize, if there was anything to their argument, it would have been used to take Obama down by now. None of you can dance around that.
tgear77 3 months ago
(11). 9. Per the U.S Constitution Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5: Requires the President to be a Natural Born Citizen! Again; The Term and Phrase: Natural Born Citizen: If you create a new society, under a new Constitutional Legal System then anyone one who was a Natural Born Citizen or Citizen at the time it was adopted, our Original to it, and can only after it’s creation be Native and or indigenous to the society! Hence not a grand father clause! As many try to persuade.
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(12). 10. Positive law (lat. ius positum) is the term generally used to describe man-made laws which bestow or remove specific privileges upon an individual or group. Contrast this with natural law
which are inherent rights, not conferred by act of legislation? Note two separate and distinct legal systems! Can a Country have both? Is it possible the U.S. legally recognized Natural Law? YES! AND YES! As, they did in the Declaration.
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(13). Per the Declaration of Independence and continued in the preamble with “WE THE PEOPLE”. “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the “Laws of Nature” and of “Nature's God” entitle them,
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(14). What is it to be Natural? Known to be defined since the 13th Century:
12. French: Naturel / English Natural:
a. Begotten without the sanction of law.
b. Not acquired; inherent:
c. Being in accordance with or determined by nature.
d. Having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature.
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(15). 13. Law of Nations: 212. “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."
1758 Original: French: "Les Naturels ou indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays de Parens Citoyens." (Notice the use of "Naturels", Meaning - Naturals "indigènes" meaning - Native in english)!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(16). 14. A natural born citizen can in no way be considered “Alien”. As they are born to citizens on the Soil that is the U.S: 15. The Legal Jurisdiction over such a Citizen cannot be held in question! 16. A Natural Born Citizen has no need of a Grant, from the U.S. Congress in anyway, to obtain Citizenship! So the Birth Certificate is entirely irrelevant to his eligibility, and yet both sides of the issue are lying to you; for some personal gain?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(17). When you go to the polls ask yourself: How exactly do I go and willingly cast my vote, for one of their candidates? Why are you allowing this to happen? Why are 435 Members of Congress, 100 Members of the Senate, 9 Supreme Court Justices, 50 States Governors’ All silent? A cricket makes more noise! Just Say goodbye to your Natural Rights under Natural Law: and say; ZEEK HILE OBAMA! Goodbye; America!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan You ask why they are "All silent"? It is because they know the laws of the US and realize that Obama, by virtue of his birth in Hawaii, is legally eligible to be President. And BTW, it is "Seig Heil", not "Zeek Hile". You truly are a moron.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Again, I have quoted the law! You just babel stupidity, A Naturalized Citizen is granted Citizen ship per the laws created by man! A Natural Citizen does not receive a such grant! That's why Title 8 Part 1 States Collective Naturalization. By the Way jus soli, first use per Merriam Webster was 1902! Again Naturalized is not Natural! The only citizen not included in title 8 is one born of citizen parents in the U.S.! The Parents, Child and Birth Place can't be considered Alien. Da!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Title 8 says no such thing. The law of the US states that if you are born on US soil, you are a US citizen. There is no naturalization involved. Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana was born on US soil to 2 parents who were citizens of India at the time. He is a Natural Born Citizen in the eyes of the law and was even being courted to run for the GOP nomination. You are clueless.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - The law Title 8 states
Part I - Nationality at Birth and "Collective Naturalization"
It's fact Not Opinion! Not Eligible!
TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
SUBCHAPTER III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION <<< SEE!
Part I - Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization <<< SEE!
(Sect 1401 Obama) and (Sec, 1403 McCain). Read the Words
(Natural Born Citizen – not found) because it’s Naturalization Law!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan I did read it, moron. You obviously have no language comprehension ability at all. Section 1401 has nothing to do with Obama at all. Obama, by birth in Hawaii, is eligible to be President. Were it not true, someone of authority, be it Edwards, Biden, Clinton, McCain, Boehner, Cantor, the FEC, The RNC, the DNC, etc would have had him struck down by now. Yet no one has because he is legally eligible to be President. You are clueless.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Thats' funny! Go learn the Function of "and" Dipshit! Makes a connection or Addition: Alien (Obama's Father) and Nationality, Chapter 12 adds "Immigration" to Nationality (already connected to Alien) Subchapter 3: adds "Naturalization" to (Aliens Nationality, Immigration). Part 1: Adds "Collective Naturalization", to again the previous connections (Alien, Immigration, Naturalization and Collective naturalization). It's called a logical Path! Using term Nationality! Learn to read!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan The nationality of Obama's father means nothing, moron. Natural Citizenship is granted in two ways: jus soli and jus sanguis. The first applies to Obama, the second to McCain. Your whole argument is based on the fact that you do not understand the law and are too ignorant to realize it. Your logical path leads to a dead end. You have yet to explain how everyone else of consequence is wrong and you are right. Knowing you, you'll go for the "vast conspiracy" answer.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Again with the absurdities! Per Merriam Webster Dictionary-
jus soli: a rule that the citizenship of a child is determined by the place of its birth; First known use: 1902
jus sanguinis: a rule that a child's citizenship is determined by its parents' citizenship:
First Known Use: 1902
Not even relevant to the Constitutional requirement to be President. "No person except a natural born Citizen";
Still waiting for your evidence?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan LOL! Jus soli dates back to 507 BC. Jus sanguis even further back. You read the M W Dictionary blurb and thought you actually knew something. You are such an asswipe. Just answer me this: why doesn't Justice Scalia, the most conservative of all SC Justices state that NBC is based on jus soli? Are you saying that you know more about the law than he does?
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Merriam Webster is relevant to it's usage in English language of American Society. If you weren't a moron you might realize that when interpreting the constitution, one must look at original context and intent of the founder fathers. You would also understand that "No person except a Natural Born Citizen Is an eligibility requirement to be President! Changing the way an alien is naturalized and becomes a Citizen, is irrelevant. As Art 5 Req. an amendment to alter the constitution.
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Continued: But your a moron, So you can't separate your delusions from reality! Still waiting for the evidence! Article 1, Sec 8 Clause 4. Congress rules on Naturalized citizens. Article 2, sec, Clause 5, provides for a natural born citizen, per Art 1, sec 8, Clause 10 the founders provide reference to the Law of Nations (Vattel) provides a definition of a natural citizen. which proves original knowledge and intent. Still waiting "Evidence". Not your delusions. Moron!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan There is nothing in the Constitution that refers to de Vattel's "The Law of Nations". In fact, the Founders only had access to his work in the original French text. Nowhere in that text does de Vattel use the phrase 'citoyen de naissance' which is the translation for 'Natural Born Citizen'. The phrase NBC was not added to de Vattel's work until an English translation produced by a NYC publisher in 1797, well after the Constitution had been written. You lose again.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Well, gee that's the first intelligent you've come up with! Congratulations! :-)
Your absolutely right! Your congress violated the Constitution and if your a citizen your 14th amendment protections by authorized a non-uniform naturalization policy. just as they choose not to enforce immigration laws and even state they recognize dual citizen ship! Because your government is violating virtually every protection you have in the constitution. Now go read the Citizenship Oath! Moron!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Article 1, Sec 8 Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the "Law of Nations";
(French version 1758) Les "Naturels" (Natural) ou indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays de "Parens" (Parents) "Citoyens". (Citizens)! Its all there just like i've already stated! Still waiting your evidence?
Justice Thomas; We're evading the eligibility issue - 4/16/10
watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Eu6OiTiua08 (See it for yourself)
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan
You Birthers should just get out of America.
Since you like Swiss Philosophy so much you should become Swiss. Or better yet go out and found your own country where you can adopt Swiss or French Law or any kind of law that you want.
However, here in the US we are going to continue to do our own thing.
If you want to be with us then assimilate. If you do not wish to assimilate then just get out.
Or you can just stay here and remain as miserable as you are.
Lyric695 3 months ago
@Lyric695 - You are actually stupid aren't you? For your information The philosopher most associated with Natural Law as instituted in the United States is a man named John Locke who also happened to write the South Carolina Constitution as well! But hey its not your fault your a Trained Monkey not capable of independent learning? Perhaps you should try reading his two treatises of Government, Human Reasoning and thoughts on education. Monkey!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Locke wrote the Constitution for the Carolinas in which he, as a major investor in a slaving company, allowed for slavery (making him a profiteer off of his writings and a hypocrite since he had written against slavery in other works) and also for the forcible removal of Native American tribes from their lands. Bragging about his writing of the SC Constitution is like complimenting Joe Kennedy for profiteering off of the Nazis. Learn the facts, asswipe.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 _ well I really don't care how he handled his personal affairs he died in 1704! Per Thomas Jefferson he viewed "Locke as one of top 3 people in human history"! That tells of his influence upon the U.S. Why don't you provide a copy of his banking and investment records to support your statements. See that's the difference hear I support my statements with concrete evidence like the Law itself! and actual writings, Not the absurd sophism's of others. I'm still waiting for your evidence?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan What an idiot you truly are! You have supported your claims with nothing but your delusional readings of documents yet I am supposed to pull up John Locke's banking records? I notice that you have repeatedly ignored answering my question as too how everyone of consequence does not view the law the way you do. Where is your answer for that? The reason I pointed out Locke's shortcomings was that you offered up his writing of the SC Const. as if that made him ...
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - I mean look at your own comments here: You even show your lack of individual thought by repeating my statements! LMAO! :-). Well you made accusations against the dead man. A moral person would be able to support them! But then you can find the words Like Natural Born Citizen in a law when they don't exist? Ignoring words like Alien,Naturalization, Immigration and Collective Naturalization? It's certainly not I who is delusional! Again, Thanks for helping me prove my points! Evidence?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan I want to ask you an honest question in a calm and respectful manner and I would appreciate a calm and honest answer
Lets say that today the Supreme Court ruled that Natural Born Citizenship does not require US Citizen Parents and further ruled that President Obama is the legitimate President of the US having met all requirements for the office,
Would that be the end of it for you?
Would you then say well OK I guess that settles it the issue has been resolved?
Lyric695 3 months ago
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@Lyric695 - Like I said the supreme Court is not the final arbiter of the Constitution. "No person except a Natural Born Citizen" Tell me what do you see that is open for interpretation there? Per Article 5, the only way to alter the clause is via an amendment.
Title 8, States he was granted Citizenship via "Collective Naturalization" under Part 1. The only reason they don't here it, is because they would have to uphold it!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan John Locke and his friend Anthony Cooper, the Lord Shaftsbury, invested heavily in the Royal African Company, which had been granted a monopoly on England's enslaving Africans and selling them as slaves, in 1671. Locke sold his shares in 1675 for a large profit. There is your evidence of Locke's involvement of slavery. Check any biography on him and it will show that he did profit off the selling of slaves. Again, you lose, asswipe.
tgear77 3 months ago
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@tgear77 - Well, that's relevant to Obama's Eligibility, How? Still waiting for a law that states Obama is a Natural Born Citizen? P.S. You provided no creditable source in your statement? Not evidence! But then you can find the words Like Natural Born Citizen in a law when they don't exist? Ignoring words like Alien,Naturalization, Immigration and Collective Naturalization? It's certainly not I who is delusional! Again, Thanks for helping me prove my points! Still waiting Evidence?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan No, it is not all there since de Vattel never used the phrase 'Natural Born Citizen' and the Founding Fathers did. There is no direct connection between the Founders' use of the phrase NBC and what you quote from TLON. Without such a connection, one can not state that the Founders were using the text. You lose. As for clause 10, they were not referring to de Vattel's book, but the law of foreign nations. Only Birther loons stretch things like you do.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Again with your stupid dribble? Go read Vattel's "Law of Nations" That is what they referred to because he was the first to write a law of Nations that dealing with the concepts of a Nation based on Natural Law. I suppose you think the revolution was a spontaneous event that no one could see coming! Oh I keep forgetting your a "Trained Monkey! P.S. Vattels book deals with the relations of nations, really go try and read it! I mean ask a friend if you have one! Monkey! LMAO! :-()
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Bullshit. Read the commentaries written over the last 200 years about Clause 10. Not one refers to de Vattel's work. You are beyond pathetic. In one post you rant about John Locke and his writings on Natural Law and now you claim that it was de Vattel who came up with the concepts, even though Locke predates him by a century. But none of that matters since the Founders were not referring to de Vattel when they were granting Congress the power to deal with piracy.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 Again Vattel's work wasn't relevant in respect to the development of Natural Law, Its relevancy was it served as frame work for International relations and trade, given the expectation of a nation adopting Natural Law as its primary legal system. To date no other Nation has officially adopted Natural Law! Go back and read your declaration! Moron!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Again,.every treatise written on Clause 10 from Blackstone to present day fails to mention de Vattel's book. Why? Because the Founders were not referring to it when they were granting Congress the powers expressed in Clause 10. Speak to any lawyer versed in Constitutional law and watch them laugh their ass off at you. Asswipe.
tgear77 3 months ago
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theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Article 1, Section 8 states that Congress shall have the power to set up a uniform system of naturalization. The Constitution did not create such rules and does not provide a definition for NBC. Once again, you prove that you have never read the Constitution of the US.
tgear77 3 months ago
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theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@tgear77 -So, what exactly are you saying, I have wrong? Definitions of Natural, Naturalization, Positive Law, Natural Law, Law of Nations definition of “Naturel Citoyens" 1758, Just so you know I quoted them! The Laws like the Constitution Art 1, Art 2, the 5th amendment. Again quoted! The Math problem? Scientifically proven Set theory? Note: Congress defined A Naturalized Citizen when that wrote the law, not me. So just show us the law states Natural Born Citizen? Still waiting? Your evidence
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan When are you birthers going to realize that all your efforts are in vain. The reason why no one pays any attention to what you are saying and no one takes the actions that you want taken is because no one agrees with your interpretation of what a natural born citizen is. Not the courts, not Congress not the Republicans nor the Democrats. Your only hope is to get behind a candidate that you support and try to win the election. Your wasting your time with the birther stuff.
Lyric695 3 months ago
@Lyric695 - Well You can choose to be ignorant and believe your delusions but the laws are clear and I have read them! Again, like a true OBOT you spew your idiotic ramblings and assert I'm a "birther" like an immature child! I am not talk about his birth certificate! I'm simply showing the law which clearly proves Obama and McCain were both Illegal Candidates! So, if you wish to dispute what I have quoted? The submit you evidence and dispute it? But your entitled to choose to be ignorant!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan The only one choosing to be ignorant here is you. Your posts have proven that you can not comprehend English, that you did not know what the grandfather clause in the Constitution was, that you had to look up what jus soli meant (and then used the Merriam Webster dictionary as your source) and that you are too ignorant to realize that the country has proven you wrong. All your temper tantrums won't change the fact that Obama is the legally elected President.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Well you just spew your absurdities, still waiting for evidence? I provided the English lesson for free, that's no charge! Again, with your absurd Grandfather clause; The one writing the law can write what ever they want, so no need to right a grandfather clause! They created a Nation based on Natural Law, first of a kind and natives not included. (Making them the original citizens). Hence new term needed. You only define a word (in Law) if its used outside the norm. No need to define
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Article II: "No Person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,...". That is the Grandfather Clause, placed in the Constitution so that the Founders could possibly run for President in the future. Yet you argued that those present at the birth of a society are Natural Born Citizens. The Founders have put you in your place, moron.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - Natural - begotten with the sanction of law, Inherant; not acquired! Naturalized as defined by Congress in Title 8 "Aliens and Nationality" (Obama's father Alien) Naturalization:The conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever. 8 USC. Scientifically proven via Mathematics (set operations)!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Except that the law grants Natural Citizenship through jus soli and jus sanguis which blows your argument out of the water.
tgear77 3 months ago
@tgear77 - A little Basic Math Formula:
Let's See: I have a "Universal set" (Lets call it citizens) U=(X:X Is a Citizen of the US) This set has two subsets:
Subset {A} = (X: X Is a Naturalized Citizen)
Subset {B} = (X: X is a Natural Born Citizen)
{a} + {b} = {U} So If
{U} - {A} = {B}
(U=All citizens) - (A=Title 8 Citizens) = (B=Natural Born Citizens)! So by defining one you define the other!
U-A=B! It’s Basic Mathematics Folks, Oh My!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Subset B is actually further broken down into { y + z} where y = 'all Natural Born Citizens via jus soli' and z = 'all Natural Born Citizens via jus sanguis'.
So the formula is actually U = (A) + (y + z).
You are right - it is Basic Math. No need to thank me for correcting your error. You were probably a C student in Math anyway.
tgear77 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan It does not really mater if I dispute what you say as I am neither a judge nor a law maker.
What you should be concerned about is that no US Court agrees with your interpretation of US law.
You say because Congress and all US Courts agree with me they have proven themselves to be ignorant.
Calling us ignorant does not negate the fact that we do not agree with you and that birtherism is a waste of your time.
Not realizing this makes you the ignorant one
Lyric695 3 months ago
@Lyric695 - You don't dispute what I say because I didn't say it the law says it! No Court has agreed with you because they haven't made judgement. All you do is provide you absurd opinions, based on the perceptions of others. Like a trained monkey you repeat every sophism your masters put out. So go back to your dancing girls and live as they tell. Like a good little monkey! Don't bother using that pea brain of yours! Thanks for showing the world you have no evidence of his eligibility?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Then why didn't any of his opponents for the Democratic nomination raise this point? Clinton, Biden and Edwards are all attorneys who know far more about the law than you do. Yet they never claimed he was ineligible. Why didn't McCain, desperate to win the election and with hundreds of lawyers working for him, never raise this point? It would have made him President. Why did the RNC never bring this up during the campaign? You can't answer because you are wrong.
tgear77 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan If you were not so ignorant and blind to all but your own convictions, you would realize that I have disputed what you have said all along.
What I am trying to point out to your pea brain is that it does not matter that I dispute what you say.
The reality of your situation is that there is plenty of evidence that should cause even an ignorant fool like you to realize that your cause has gone nowhere and is going nowhere
Lyric695 3 months ago
@Lyric695 - My you are a sad case! My case has not been argued in the court! Because the courts are corrupt. If you weren't an ignorant trained Monkey, you would realize that. So I choose to go to the public at large! As they are the final arbiter of the laws in America! If you knew something about american law you would know that! Still waiting on the Evidence? Here's a prediction for you; Obama won't be reelected, be cause people are learning the truth! You being here proves it! Monkey
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan The reason that your case has not been argued in court is because you are asking the court to do something that it does not have the authority to do. Specifically, you are asking state and Federal Courts to determine if a sitting US President is eligible to serve in the office to which he was elected. If you had any sense at all you would realize that US State and Federal courts are not authorized to make that determination.
Boy are you stupid !
Lyric695 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan For your further education, while it is true that the public at large is the final arbiters of the law, the way that the public at large accomplishes the arbitration is by electing State and Federal Judges and lawmakers to make these final decisions. You have done your job by electing them and they have done their job by telling you that you are wrong.
I hope this clears up your confusion but I doubt it as your confusion appears to be permanent.
Lyric695 3 months ago
@Lyric695 - Sorry, "Monkey" but that is as ridiculous as every utterance you've made! Again, thanks for showing you have know evidence to dispute the laws I quoted. That's why we have elections often, to correct the government, that takes an educated public. But like I said if you something more that a trained monkey you wouldn't bother writing your delusions down for the world to see! So again thanks for your help! Monkey! People will read this and awaken! Change will take place?
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan
I see that in some ways you just pretend to be stupid. I agree with you that if you do not like your elected officials then vote them out of office if you can.
However, engaging in birtherism and calling the US Supreme Court,US State and Federal Courts and US Ballot Commissions corrupt because they do not have the authority to determine whether a sitting US President is eligible to serve just shows your ignorance and frustration at your situation.
Lyric695 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Of course Justice Thomas said "We're evading the eligibility issue". You are probably one of those birthers who believe the Supreme Court will one day say the hell with the Constitution and get involved, At this point, the Justice Department does not even bother to draft new motions to dismiss. They just serve a copy of the same old motion citing the courts lack of authority in this matter and of course the courts agree. However we love to see you waste your time
Lyric695 3 months ago
@Lyric695 - Unlike you at least (tgear77) finally proved to be capable of independent thought! The Supreme court has ruled that your declaration of independence was not a legal document. What does that tell you Monkey? Just as they charged King George "He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners"; They now use the department of education and immigration to usurp your rights! go read the declaration! Dip!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan Don't even try it you ignorant fool. You have been crying about Vatell's book the Law of Nations all through the cartoon.
The funny part about you is that do you not realize that no one is ever going to pay attention to your birther nonsense. You also do not seem to realize that the only function that you serve is that you provide entertainment for people like me who despite your rantings know that your only real recourse is to hope that your candidate wins.
Lyric695 3 months ago
@Lyric695 I Talk, Talk, Talk! What you don't realize is I turn 3-4 people everyday. Just by doing this with, Monkey's like you! Then I don't even have a clue how many are turned just by reading your Dribbles of idiocy. The absurdities of your arguments. serve as the catalyst for those that can have an independent thought to research further. I know this to be true to because I frequently receive compliments and thank yous from readers of posts like this! LMFAO! Monkey! :-)
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan By the way do you realize that not only do birthers help Obama by causing all of the opposition to appear as nutty as you do but there is also a serious movement among many Birthers to punish the Republican Party for not taking up your crazy cause by sitting out the election so that Obama remains in office.
For Obama and his supporters the birther movement is the gift that just keeps on giving. Long may it live. Well hopefully at least until after the election.
Lyric695 3 months ago
@Lyric695 - Again you show your absolute stupidity! If you read my comments 1-18, I posted at the beginning, You would know that I think, all Americans should ban and lock up both parties leadership for Treason, as they both put up fraudulent candidates in 2008! I mean do not think they know what their doing? Oh, sorry I forgot; your the trained Monkey, incapable of independent thought! Go read the 27 charges laid against King George in the Declaration? See if they apply today! Monkey!
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
(18). In Summary: The Laws are clear it is that simple; we allow for only 2 types of Citizens!
a. Naturalized those created by the Constitution and Laws.
b. Natural Born - Those Created by conditions of Natural Law – Those born in the U.S. of Citizen Parents!
Again; every nation on earth unequivocally recognizes the citizenship of Natural Born Citizen, meaning no other Nation can apply Jurisdiction over Said Citizen.
As a principal of Natural Law a universal truth recognized by all nations.
theonlyhabsfan 3 months ago
@theonlyhabsfan God, you truly are delusional. I love when you idiot Birthers try and bypass the actual laws of the US and start to go on about these mythical, hypothetical "Natural Laws". Keep on posting your moronic diatribe since it is so amusing for those of us with I.Q.s 30 to 40 points above yours.
tgear77 3 months ago
I go along with the Captain..
YooToobR34 3 months ago
@YooToobR34 To each his own!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
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YooToobR34 3 months ago
We could do without the production music, good message, audio blows
CaptainIsaacDavis 3 months ago
@CaptainIsaacDavis There a meaning behind it. Who it's for, will understand!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn
Birthers;
The few... the proud... the few
witchtelus 3 months ago
These people are indirectly responsible for the deaths of US Troops in Obama's wars.
Shame on you!! Shame!!
superhotbm 3 months ago
Can't hardly hear..
ImpeachAllCriminals 3 months ago
@ImpeachAllCriminals Yeah, it was recorded at a low volume, CRANK IT UP!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn how do you do that, other than turn up the volume..? lol
ImpeachAllCriminals 3 months ago
CORRUPTION all OVER this Government! We WILL get to the bottom of this! Mark our words!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 3 months ago
Dirty traitors!
BeantownJim 3 months ago
Well done!!!!!
BeantownJim 3 months ago