Ahmadiyya - Did Jesus (as) Bodily Ascend? {Part-1}[Urdu]

[code925301]

اور یہ جو یہودی ہیں ان میں سے کچھ لوگ ایسے بھی ہیں کہ کلمات کو ان کے مقامات سے بدل دیتے ہیں اور کہتے ہیں کہ ہم نے سن لیا اور نہیں مانا اور سنیئے نہ سنوائے جاؤ اور زبان کو مروڑ کر اور دین میں طعن کی راہ سے (تم سے گفتگو) کے وقت راعنا کہتے ہیں اور اگر (یوں) کہتے ہیں کہ ہم نے سن لیا اور مان لیا اور (صرف) اسمع اور (راعنا کی جگہ) انظرنا (کہتے) تو ان کے حق میں بہتر ہوتا اور بات بھی بہت درست ہوتی لیکن خدان نے ان کے کفر کے سبب ان پر لعنت کر رکھی ہے تو یہ کچھ تھوڑے ہی ایمان لاتے ہیں Surat An- Nisa 4:45

[dawah2]

@code925301 :

آنحضرت صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے فرمان کے مطابق یہ بہتر فرقوں کے مسلمان ہیں کہ جو یہود کے مشابہ ہیں۔ ان بہتر فرقوں نے بھی نہ صرف اپنے مسیح کا انکار کیا بلکہ اس انکار کی بنیاد یہودیوں کی طرح پیشگویئوں کی لفظ بہ لفظ بنایا۔

For Amazing similarities of 72 sects of Muslims & 72 sects of Jews who rejected their Messiahs watch {youtube.com/watch?v=HbMO_zWp_­­lo}

[code925301]

just answer me this

Do you Ahmadiyya PPL bealive on Day of Quama ( The Judgment-day)

if you do then

explain me how died will rise from their graves.

isn't that khe-la-fay Aqual and Khe-la-fay Qudrat.

[dawah2]

@code925301 : @code925301 : Alhamdulillah we believe in Qiyamah. We also believe that after physical death our souls are placed in Barzakh & from there they will be raised on the day of Qiyamah in new bodies according to ones deeds. Our Physical bodies are constructed from earth ingredients and mixed with earth again at our death.

[code925301]

@dawah2 . ok where is Barzakh?

[dawah2]

@code925301 : Barzakh is not a physical thing nor it is on earth. It is something which pertains to another world about which we have no experience till we go there.

[code925301]

@dawah2 . you lost me , not physical, not on earth and its an other world. is it in an other star. out of space.

is it like Heaven. and what are those soul doing their.

does soul need any thing to survive?

what about shaheds who die for Allah in wars according to Hadith Shahes don't die and they even get neaz food.

Is Hazarat Muhammad laying die in his grave. how is he Ra-matul-alamin if he is died.

[dawah2]

@code925301 : The world we live is a Physical world governed by Physical laws. Once we die we NEVER return to this physical world. Our souls go into another universe having entirely different dimensions. Shaheeds are also not alive PHYSICALLY. If they are alive physically ten why we bury them altogether? Shaheeds & Prophets are Alive Spiritually in Spiritual universes. Since we NEVER visited that universe nor anyone ever returned from there thus we do not know about the laws of that universe.

[code925301]

@dawah2 thank you so much for coming to the point where you can say that you don't know the laws of universe.

and i do 100% agree with you that we don't know that Laws of Universe nor we no the law of this world or the law;s of nature.

our body is created by Allah.

Our soul is created by Allah.

if Allah can send our soul in to an other would he also can send our body.

as a human we have made rockets that can take us out of space.

so why can't Allah take Isah to heaven

[dawah2]

@code925301 : I NEVER Claimed that Human knows ALL the laws of Nature yet. Nor I have ever claimed that there could be means for knowing the laws of Spiritual world or hereafter. What I am trying to tell you that we Know many laws of Physical world & ALL those Myths which are against these established & known laws of Nature are Just childish stories.

Humam FLYING BODILY to Allah & living there without food for thousands of years is AGAINST KNOWS LAWS OF NATURE AS WELL AS QURAN.

[code925301]

@dawah2 why do you think that he had to Fly. Is it not possible that Hazarat Jobra-el came and took him under his wings.

is it not possible that Allah opened the Door of some other dimension and he just took one step.

" Barzakh is not a physical thing nor it is on earth. It is something which pertains to another world"

that what you told me

so you think our souls are flying around 100 of years to go yo Barzakh.

Hz Jesus could have taken one stop in to different dimension. wt u think

[dawah2]

@code925301 : Human cannot Physically go to Allah. " ‘Or thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a book that we can read.’ Say, ‘Holy is my Lord! I am not but a man sent as a Messenger.’" Al-Quran

Physical laws applies to Physical world ONLY.

[code925301]

@dawah2 ya sure human can't go to Allah. But Allah can being Human close to him

ya sure we are bound by our physical body but Allah is not he can do wt ever he want.

we don't say that Jesus is in heaven by his own act

Allah took him to show his Glory that you don't have to die to go to heaven.

Quran is a complete Book and has the knowledge of everything up to day of quama.

so How come it doesn't tell us anything about Gulam Mirza?

[dawah2]

@code925301 : Jews wanted to Kill Jesus (as) so that he may NOT preach TRUTH. Was Allah afraid of Jews so that He taken away His messenger without completing his mission?

Enemies of every Prophet want to Kill the Prophet of their time. But Allah being ALL POWERFUL KEEP THEM ALIVE HERE O EARTH TILL COMPLETION OF THEIR TASKS.

Allah doesn't need to Run away with His Prophet out of fear of non-believers who want to STOP the mission of Prophets.

[code925301]

@dawah2 : prophets mission is to deliver the message and they all have done so.

just answer me this

how come Jesus was born without a father?  or you Ahamadiyya don't believe on that either

[dawah2]

@code925301 : Birth without Male is NOT impossible according to laws of Nature.

[code925301]

@dawah2 : my friend I'm not asking about male or female . please don't play the word game

just tell me how did Jesus got birth when no man have ever touched his mother.

[dawah2]

@code925301 : I told you that birth without father is NOT impossible according to established laws of nature. Even today there are species which give birth without father/male. It is also scientific that some girls r born with both male & female organs. When such girls r grown-up then strange signs appears. On consultation with doctors, parents r told that child contains both systems so its better to eliminate one while keeping other. If such girls r not operated then birth within is possible.

[code925301]

@dawah2 why are you making up lies

Please read Quran 4:155

And [We cursed them] for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and their KILLING OF THE PROPHETS without right and their saying, "Our hearts are wrapped". Rather, Allah has sealed them because of their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.

Quran is clearly saying that Prophets got killed.(not prophet Prophetsss)

please Admit it that you are wrong and making lies

[dawah2]

@code925301 : Dear, only Allah will tell on the Day of Judgement that who was right & who was wrong & telling lies. But one thing is SURE that these are 72 sects of Muslims who are Rejecting The Messiah in Islam thus 4:155 applies to 72 sects rejecting the Messiah & not on the Jamat who have accepted.

Killing is NOT always physical. Have you ever heard of Character Assassination?

[dawah2]

@code925301 : Quran & Sunnah clearly foretold about majority of Muslims deviating from Truth i.e 72 out of 73 sects becoming hell bound according to hadith. Ahadith & Quran also foretold about coming of a Subordinate Prophet in order to revive the faith.

[code925301]

@dawah2 can you please give me verses from Quran where it say that only Ahmadiyya is the right sect of Muslims.

please give me the reference from Quran and Ahadiths where is clearly say that last masaya is Gulam Mirza.

[dawah2]

@code925301 :

1) Thus it says "O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you apostles from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve." Al-Quran 7:35

2) "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, ...and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad". Al-Quran 61:6

[finestarcher]

If you wan't to say that if giving life back to dead person is against Sunnah of Allah(SWT) then for your kind information in quran surah Bakrah ayat 259 you will find where its said that Hazrat Uzair(AS) was dead for 100 years and then brought back to life so that he can build jerusalem back. In quran itself in surah Kahf Allah(SWT) says about the people of cave who slept for 309 years and says that it might be a big thing for you but we do bigger than this things in our kingdom.

[dawah2]

finestarcher : Taking spiritual things literally was the habit of Jews which caused them CURSED. The Prophet (saw) foretold that a time will come when 72 sects of Muslims will attain 100% resemblance with the Jews.

Mullahs take spiritual things literally & do not see that it causes CONTRADICTION in Quran. Both Quran & Ahadith says & combined experience of humanity knows that once gone from this world no one return.

[finestarcher]

If once gone & no return than please explain the verse 259 of surah bakrah how you take the meaning of it shpiritually. how does it causes contradiction i cant see.

[sybertronlionhawk]

@finestarcher

Quran it self states that the world and its laws are perfect, God has not left any room for imperfections, therefore nothing can happen against the law of nature...

Reviving the dead means to spiritually reviving a person who was considered dead (As the reference to Jesus).

[finestarcher]

Other instance in surah bakrah itself ayat no.

72. And (remember) when you killed a man and fell into dispute among yourselves as to the crime. But Allâh brought forth that which you were hiding.

73. So We said: "Strike him (the dead man) with a piece of it (the cow)." Thus Allâh brings the dead to life and shows you His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) so that you may understand.

[finestarcher]

The habits of jews was to invent new things do all unlawfull things, they used to mold their tounges & say what Allah (SWT) hasnt said for wordly gains.

Thats why they rejected Isah(AS) and all the teachings of previous prophets & killed many this is the reason why they were cursed.

Regarding resemblence, the basic resemblence between u people & christians is that u both have to beleive isah(AS) died, otherwise both of your faith is nullified. isnt it 100%