@doctorw2 Well, it won't be the Silence as the Big Finish audio episodes are not part of the TV series canon. That's how it officially is. However, that doesn't mean the audio plays are bad. I rather enjoy them.
@KingLofiOne Though it hasn't quite stopped them from making some subtle references from what I've heard. As you can tell, I love the audio dramas. But, I wouldn't be opposed to some of the New Series Doctors or characters making appearances. The Ninth Doctor happens to be my favorite of them all, lol.
@brigeboy95 That is true, but Big Finish are not allowed to use Aliens or characters created for the new series, and the other way round, so they'll never acknowledge each other officially. Big Finish sometimes does some sneaky references, for example in "The Kingmaker" the Fifth Doctor writes himself a note to deliver a letter next time he passes by seventeenth century England. The receiver then wonders who that "northern bloke with the big ears and the leather jacket" was.
@KingLofiOne yes but still as moffat and rtd have said fans decide what is canon so i see big finish productions canon to the tv series hmm i must pick up that audio with the fifth doctor
@brigeboy95 Of course, I think BF is canon to the TV Series, that is, Classic Who. But there are so very few ties to New Who that the Silence just can't be Zagreus. Yet. Until someone writes an officially released story that they are the agents of the Lord of Anti-Time. There's a difference between making stuff up and stuff that's clearly linked together where you can decide whether it's part of your personal canon or not.
For example, you can believe that the Sixth Doctor just bumped his head in Time and the Rani and regenerated into Seven. Then, you can believe that the novel "Spiral Scratch" happened, where he was weakened prior to his regeneration so that the bump on the head just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back. Then, you can also believe that the Doctor consciously commited suicide to become Time's Champpion, as detailed in the eponimous novel, or that a dormant Seventh consciousness...
@brigeboy95 ...took control over the Sixth in and made him regenerate so that Six in fact holds a grudge against Seven for effectively murdering him to be born and will one day becomeValeyard to take revenge on the Doctor, as detailed in "Love and War". You can believe all of it happened, some of it happened, or nothing at all. That's what Build-Your-Own-Canon means. It's not things like "I think Rose Tyler is the Rani in disguise, and the Silence must be Zagreus". There's no substance for that.
Sorry guys, can't upload any more. I've lost my Big Finish credentials (temporarily) and the computer containing the audio dramas has been rendered out of service...(Also temporarily), xD
@Richiepookinshoo They're all of his incarnations speaking to him from inside his own mind. Each individual personality seems to stay somewhere in the Doctor's subconscious, and, in a weird way, "Live" through him, although buried deep down.
It's probably how each Doctor has memories of their past incarnations.
It's been a while since I listened to this, so I forget the context in which the other Doctor's appeared, but how could 5, 6 and 7 know about their future regenerations into their successors? Surely, it would be 7 who remembers the bang on the head, and so on? How could 7 remember regenerating into 8?
@outofthegreenmist I believe it's the fact that they're aspects pulled from the Eighth Doctor's mind, thus they'd be aware of everything that's happened to the Doctor up to his eight regeneration.
Ah, this is a great moment, with all the 4 doctors featured on the cover actually meeting up, even in death. The ONLY part of Zagreus I actually like. I wonder why?
Well, maybe it's just after the phenomenal 2nd season of McGann's (a season that's even better than most tv seasons of Who, imo), Zagreus just seemed sort of, well, dissapointing.
Maybe my standards were just too high, but really, on the 40th anniversary, did anyone really give a fuck about the eternal war between Goldilocks and the Three Bears?
Sorry, that's just the biggest complaint I have about the story that always niggles me. But this part was certainly magical!
"Whatever we do, we never ever give up!" Best Big Finish Audio line ever...
TheSonicDevice 7 months ago 3
'i never got to blackpool....'
great line for the sixth doctor
animationdude56 8 months ago 4
It's a shame McGann only had one on screen appearance as the Doctor. Imagine if these four men were on screen? It would be awesome.
johnhamilton08 9 months ago
I love how sylvester had to roll his "r" when he said " I am Zagrrrrreus." Ah I love him
BowTiesareCool12 10 months ago 5
"And I very much fear the moment's NOT been prepared for..."
CLASSIC!
themirrorsofmymind 10 months ago
Aww, Charley doesn't hate you Doctor. She's completely in love with you!
XxCarlieCullenxX 10 months ago 3
Colin's right. He deserved a far better exit than he recieved.
bjago01 11 months ago 5
@bjago01 eh, now he does. these audio dramas have redeemed him immensely, but at the time i couldn't get paid to watch colin baker....
MatthewSychantha 6 months ago
I'm Zagreus and so is my wife. ^_^
RoseNoir90 11 months ago
Wow. This is truly brilliant. Makes me want to get it.
"That Charley doesn't do things by halves, does she?"
DoctorMezzo 11 months ago
This is also one of my favorite parts. :D
If anyone thinks that Zagreus is brain breaking at times, you have never heard Scherzo. It's just...wow.
bilbosama 1 year ago
i wonder if zagreus could be the silence in the new doctor who series either that or the celestis or the trickster.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 Well, it won't be the Silence as the Big Finish audio episodes are not part of the TV series canon. That's how it officially is. However, that doesn't mean the audio plays are bad. I rather enjoy them.
KingLofiOne 1 year ago
@KingLofiOne Though it hasn't quite stopped them from making some subtle references from what I've heard. As you can tell, I love the audio dramas. But, I wouldn't be opposed to some of the New Series Doctors or characters making appearances. The Ninth Doctor happens to be my favorite of them all, lol.
Lampgreen 1 year ago
@KingLofiOne doctor who does not have a canon rtd and moffet have made that clear the fans decide what is canon
brigeboy95 3 months ago
@brigeboy95 That is true, but Big Finish are not allowed to use Aliens or characters created for the new series, and the other way round, so they'll never acknowledge each other officially. Big Finish sometimes does some sneaky references, for example in "The Kingmaker" the Fifth Doctor writes himself a note to deliver a letter next time he passes by seventeenth century England. The receiver then wonders who that "northern bloke with the big ears and the leather jacket" was.
KingLofiOne 3 months ago
@KingLofiOne yes but still as moffat and rtd have said fans decide what is canon so i see big finish productions canon to the tv series hmm i must pick up that audio with the fifth doctor
brigeboy95 3 months ago
@brigeboy95 Of course, I think BF is canon to the TV Series, that is, Classic Who. But there are so very few ties to New Who that the Silence just can't be Zagreus. Yet. Until someone writes an officially released story that they are the agents of the Lord of Anti-Time. There's a difference between making stuff up and stuff that's clearly linked together where you can decide whether it's part of your personal canon or not.
KingLofiOne 3 months ago
For example, you can believe that the Sixth Doctor just bumped his head in Time and the Rani and regenerated into Seven. Then, you can believe that the novel "Spiral Scratch" happened, where he was weakened prior to his regeneration so that the bump on the head just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back. Then, you can also believe that the Doctor consciously commited suicide to become Time's Champpion, as detailed in the eponimous novel, or that a dormant Seventh consciousness...
KingLofiOne 3 months ago
@brigeboy95 ...took control over the Sixth in and made him regenerate so that Six in fact holds a grudge against Seven for effectively murdering him to be born and will one day becomeValeyard to take revenge on the Doctor, as detailed in "Love and War". You can believe all of it happened, some of it happened, or nothing at all. That's what Build-Your-Own-Canon means. It's not things like "I think Rose Tyler is the Rani in disguise, and the Silence must be Zagreus". There's no substance for that.
KingLofiOne 3 months ago
I heard there is actually going to be a proper 4 Doctors story soon? Where they face the Daleks
Trayusstudent1 1 year ago
@Trayusstudent1 There is indeed. It's a Subscriber Only Special that's released this month. Full details are available on the Big Finish website.
Bargie57 1 year ago
I AM ZAGREUS!!!
unoficial13thdoctor 1 year ago 3
I bought this for my ex before he was an ex. Hmm...
LoriCiani 1 year ago
Sorry guys, can't upload any more. I've lost my Big Finish credentials (temporarily) and the computer containing the audio dramas has been rendered out of service...(Also temporarily), xD
Lampgreen 1 year ago
@Lampgreen How long do you think it might be? I can be pacient..as much as a whovian can be. lol
LoveTimeLord 1 year ago
I recommend that people get this! It's amazing :D xxx Thanks for uploading this snippet
BritishAlienCompany 1 year ago
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! ZAGREUS! MOST EPIC AUDIO EVER! Would you upload more clips perhaps?
DBCADemon 1 year ago
please could you like upload all of it?
blackfoxwho 1 year ago
I find it rather funny when Leela said: The Doctor lives? and Romana said: Oh no he doesn't,
concaran 1 year ago 3
I'd have given anything to be in that recording booth at this moment xD
Richiepookinshoo 1 year ago
@Richiepookinshoo They're all of his incarnations speaking to him from inside his own mind. Each individual personality seems to stay somewhere in the Doctor's subconscious, and, in a weird way, "Live" through him, although buried deep down.
It's probably how each Doctor has memories of their past incarnations.
RoyalGuard503 9 months ago
It's been a while since I listened to this, so I forget the context in which the other Doctor's appeared, but how could 5, 6 and 7 know about their future regenerations into their successors? Surely, it would be 7 who remembers the bang on the head, and so on? How could 7 remember regenerating into 8?
outofthegreenmist 1 year ago
@outofthegreenmist I believe it's the fact that they're aspects pulled from the Eighth Doctor's mind, thus they'd be aware of everything that's happened to the Doctor up to his eight regeneration.
Vlorsutes 1 year ago
@Vlorsutes Yeah, I guess so!
outofthegreenmist 1 year ago
I thought that meeting was very classic
AsheIsTheRaven 1 year ago
Is this story any good, I made get it?
GeneHunt01 1 year ago
@GeneHunt01 I mean "might get it"
GeneHunt01 1 year ago
I love the eighth doctor!!! Working my way through the cds and I love the whole four doctors scene from this :) yay!!
hitchchik 1 year ago
do you have the full drama?
Incywincyspiderify 2 years ago
Yes, on my desktop which is currently....less than fully functional.
Why do you ask?
Lampgreen 2 years ago
@Lampgreen He might want you to put it onto youtube..Did you buy the audio?
doctorwho786 1 year ago
The Sixth Doctor doesn't say, "Happy unto", he says, "A bientot", French for "see you later." Hope that's helpful.
StormsongK 2 years ago
Ah, merci! I should have guessed. It's kind of hard, I transcribed the whole thing myself.
Lampgreen 2 years ago
UPDATED--Thank you for the help!
Lampgreen 2 years ago
@Lampgreen No problem!
StormsongK 2 years ago
It's the British Broadcasting Corporation, rather than Company.
Saternalius 2 years ago
Whoops, I thought so, but doubt reared its ugly head in my progress!
Lampgreen 2 years ago
ha, "I never got to blackpool" great little in joke there.
Solidsnakeprime501 2 years ago 5
post the part with the brigedear!
htilor 2 years ago
Which part, he's in the entire drama! Well...sort of.
*Brigadier (Sorry nit picky)
Lampgreen 2 years ago
Zagreus left a great many plot points unexplained but with all 4 doctors meeting up... this is why i listen to big finish. terrific!
bjago01 2 years ago 3
Family Guy reference, correct?
Lampgreen 2 years ago
5th doctor: "The moment's not been prepared for." LOL LOL. Making fun of the closing minutes of Logopolis.
Melville10 2 years ago 5
Oh, I LOVE this part!!
sparklegrl0713 2 years ago 3
Ah, this is a great moment, with all the 4 doctors featured on the cover actually meeting up, even in death. The ONLY part of Zagreus I actually like. I wonder why?
DoctorDodge 2 years ago 12
@DoctorDodge Go figure. It's my favorite part of the drama though. XD
Lampgreen 2 years ago
Well, maybe it's just after the phenomenal 2nd season of McGann's (a season that's even better than most tv seasons of Who, imo), Zagreus just seemed sort of, well, dissapointing.
Maybe my standards were just too high, but really, on the 40th anniversary, did anyone really give a fuck about the eternal war between Goldilocks and the Three Bears?
Sorry, that's just the biggest complaint I have about the story that always niggles me. But this part was certainly magical!
DoctorDodge 2 years ago
Great hearing these 4 Doctors together
michael7677 2 years ago 12
great
zufgh 2 years ago 3
Please comment and rate!
Lampgreen 2 years ago