everyone can go into every scene and compare them. The fact is they are both great movies, The Matrix did borrow from Dark City but it was released a year after so they already had the idea of where they were going with the movie before Dark City... They should both be complimented. For me i saw Dark City when was very young. i saw matrix two years later i understood matrix after two watches, I recently saw Dark City again. For me Dark City is better but no one can argue that The Matrix is bad..
La razón por la cual, Matrix triunfo en taquillas es porque las escenas de acción son mucho más largas y son mejores, a parte del repertorio de artes marciales, cosa que funciona muy bien. Las dos me gustán por igual, pero como yo mucha gente debe reconocer, que ha visto Matrix muchas veces, basicamente porque ésta tiene escenas que individualmente del resto de la película, son extraordinarias. Dark City también, pero menos, y hace falta verla entera para poder apreciar su fantástico guión.
A ver.. quien busca encuentra, claro que Matrix tiene muchos parecidos a Dark City, pero tambien las dos tienen muchos parecidos a otras peliculas anteriores como El Cuervo y Nivel 13. Algunos parecidos de los que muestras son estúpidos, como polis con sombrero, callejones, escaleras de incendio.... otros son más notables, pero es muy difícil que Matrix fuera una copia de Dark City, porque ésta primera tardo mucho más tiempo en producirse, por lo que las fechas no concuerdan...
@sweetwolf182 El cuervo es tieme similitudes por que es del mismo director de Dark City. los directores por lo general mantienen una estética recurrente, en el caso de nivel 13 es posterior a las dos peliculas, y como es nomal en el cine una idea exitosa se explota en muchos niveles, ahora entre matrix y Dark City, si hay muchas coincidencias, dark city se comenzo a rodar primero, luego los wachowsky contrataron a Michelle McGahey la directora de arte de dark city para crear la misma estética
I remember renting Darkcity before i had even heard of the matrix .. when I saw the opening scene of the matrix i remember the hotel sign, room, police i was like hmmm this is like Dark City both deal with a protagonist experiencing and existential crisis
Dark city is cool, but still, I prefer the Matrix, it's more awesome in my opnion, the story seems a little more interesting to me, has great special effects and action, and much more, I also prefer the agents because they are more interesting and intimidating in my opinion, not saying the strangers are not creepy, they are, but with the agents, mostly Smith, he intimidated me pretty good, mostly with the whole, turn everyone in the matrix into agent smiths thing
2 movies,3 directors (Wachowsky brothers and Alex Proyas). I vote "Dark City" because is much much better movie and because i am Greek (like Proyas). The atmosphere of "Dark City" is incredible and the bad guys are close to be real creatures.Great !!!
I love how people build Dark City up to be this highly intelligent movie when the truth is it's no different than The Matrix. Both are thought-provoking sci-fi/fantasy movies with some cool effects. The Matrix is more action, Dark City is more noir.
Both are good. Personally I prefer The Matrix (ignoring the sequels) because I think it's better made, better paced and more fun to rewatch.
And people saying Dark City is 'clearly' better, find me a review site that rates it higher. Go on.
I like both and see the similarities. If you enjoy these, you should see Thirteenth Floor. It came out around the same time as The Matrix and I believe was in the works earlier but got treated as The Matrix's ugly little brother because of release timing. The Thirteenth Floor has a better love story with it as well.
@USMCFUCKYEA Another online hard man, i seriously doubt you are past puberty yet, maybe when you mature a bit you will realize dark city is superior, when you have grown out of the chuck norris phase of your life.
People need to stop saying The Matrix was inspired by Dark City. Production on the Matrix actually started BEFORE Dark City. The Matrix was flawless. Do you really think they could have made that movie less than a year after Dark City was released?
They are both good, but seriously, how can anyone say Dark City is better than The Matrix?
@jpatton1989 People say one is better than the other cause they don't know the difference between what they like or dislike or what is good or bad. Both films are masterpieces in their genre (which is not the same, Matrix is sci-fi/action and Dark City is fantasy/noir). I like Dark City better but it is not a better film than The Matrix, they're just different (even with all the similarities, which I presented in a video myself, it's among the related videos for this one).
I don't think so. Remember the rooftoop scene in the beginning of The Matrix with trinity running away from the agents? That whole rooftop set, including other building sets were.......surprise surprise ......all from the movie Dark City.
suena muy razonable, pero tambien debes de considerar que matrix pudo estar inspirada, por Dark City y expandir sobre la idea, en mi opinion, me gustan las 2 por igual, a decir verdad, si Dark City es mas instrospectiva y estimulante a nivel intelectual, Matrix es mas entretenida y tiene escenas inspiradas en los ballets de la muerte del cine de accion de hong kong.
si bien otra pelicula que toma los mismos elementos de ambas peliculas seria "Inception" y tengo que decir, que es un peliculon
I cant believe ppl arguing about wich one is better and matrix is shit because its similar blablabla ....watch both ...both are awesome ...and carry a deep message....unlike those shity action movies with famous wrestlers or vampires that cant have sex because they are too hardcore (lol)...
The Matrix obviously wins hands down, both films are similar, acting isn't really that brilliant in either as many of the actors do not fit their roles apart from Carrie-Anne Moss who played Trinity. To prove that the Matrix wins ask 20 completely random people which film have they seen - The Matrix or Dark city, if they have seen neither .. shoot them.
@mattyonline2 Just because more people may have seen the matrix doesent make it a better movie, only a neanderthal would think that, the matrix ripped dark city off big time, ( THE MATRIX IS ALL STYLE WITH NO HEART ) dark city does not need guns & kung fu to make it a good movie.
"The Matrix" is a superb composition of "Welt am Draht", "Neuromancer", "Johnny Mnemonic", various Asian Kung-Fu movies, etc. etc. etc. - and "Dark City". To say that it rips off one of them says a lot about the lack of knowledge of the one who makes such a claim.
do you all not look at the dates of when the movies were written, filmed and released? they were released only a year apart... and the matrix had been in production (from writing, to casting and filming) during the time when 'dark city' was... so seriously, stop your fucking complaining and enjoy these damn good movies. please, thank you.
Y aunque fueran una copia de la otra, que ya digo, Matrix es un proyecto años anterior a Dark City. ¿Tu que eres director de fotografía?
Los planos no tienen absolutamente nada de comparación, ¿iluminación? vamos no me jodas.
¿Y que me dices del storyboard en forma de comic que hicieron los Wachowski muchos años antes de que nisiquiera al director de Dark City se le hubiera ocurrido hacer la película? No me compares la producción, dirección, guión e interpretación de Matrix con este fracaso.
Entre las opciones que diste al final,me inclino por la última, porque desde siempre Dark City me pareció que tenía un aspecto más cerebral y profundo que The Matrix. Aclaro, me encantó The Matrix, pero Dark City ha sido un referenta para mí desde que la vi.
El otro día vi 'Replicant' de Ringo Lam. Comenzaba con una operación policial en una noche lluviosa, ergo según estas teorías esta también plagia a Dark City, ¿no?.
y en Blade Runner la ciudad siempre está oscura...
El exito de Matrix fue por las increibles efectos especiales y sus impresionantes escenas de acción. Además no le pilló el boom de Titanic al estrenarse un año después.
If they didnt drag Matrix out for 3 movies (and just made it 2 movies) I would say matrix hands down. The last 2 movies (how they were cut, to make money off 2 films instead of 1) was boring and overdone. Therefore.... Dark City wins.
ummmm....Dark City was cool and all but to say its better than The Matrix???? Really?! Hahahahaha thats funny...Dark City didnt sell for shit man what are you people...mental???
@ironfist13491 The only reason the matrix sold is because of pubeless gullible fools like yourself, who needs kung fu & gun shoot outs to enjoy a movie.
@shotgunshawzy is that the best you can come up with?! Look asshole...And this is to EVERYBODY....The Matrix started a trend with movies. Before 1996 movies didnt have wire fu or slow motion while there was gunfire. The Matrix changed movies and the way they were made. Dark City put me to sleep. pwnd
@shotgunshawzy hahahaha whateve douche bag. Argue that fact with the BILLIONS of Matrix fans all over the world. Then you and youre dark city fanbase buddys can argue about it on here...all two dozen of you
Hermano, es ridículo comparar dos películas solo porque el diseño de producción es similar. Matrix es acerca del libre albedrío, el control y el destino, mientras que Dark City es acerca de la memoria, los sentimientos y la Teoría Omphalos. Si somos así de estúpidos para juzgar, entonces estamos muy mal para realmente ver cine con ojos críticos...
Matrix es acerca de una realidad simulada, donde todo ser humano tiene el potencial de despertar a una nueva capa de la realidad, donde conceptos como el albedrío, el control y el destino son variables de una máquina.
Esto es ridículo, Dark City se basa en la idea del últimomartesismo, donde la realidad pudo haber sido creada el martes de la semana pasada, por dar un ejemplo, pero no es posible remostrarlo, dado lo poco fiable que es la memoria humana para definir a una persona,
@bobjangle11 I've seen Dark City several times, in fact. The story and basic ideas of DC are better than the Matrix, but the movie still suffered from stiff dialogue and a soundtrack that didn't really fit well into the film, plus the special effects weren't all that great. Some of the scenes could have been done better as well. It also didn't have nearly as much publicity. If these things had been changed it probably would have been much more successful than the Matrix films.
The Thirteenth Floor was better than The Matrix, IMO. Both movies came out at the same time but the low budget Thirteenth Floor didn't get enough promotion.
Dark City? One of the coolest noir sci-fi films of all time.
You just took random screenshots of the films that appeared visually similar, completely ignoring the context they were placed in. That's not to say there aren't similarities, but neither movie is a direct shot-for-shot ripoff of the other like you'd think from watching this slideshow.
Why do these stupid morons think we want to listen to their shitty music as we watch their videos. Pukity puke puke puke. Then for a minute and a half, nothing. Fucks sake.
I never thought much of Matrix. Sure it has great effects and pretty interesting story but I never could sympathize with characters. i don't know is it the actors or the screenplay or something else but they left me cold. Only character I liked was that old wise lady who was really some kind of soft-where. I can't remember her name.
On other hand Dark City pulled me in the story from the first scene to the end. I loved all the characters and sympathized with them even the bad guys. Very interesting movie - with great but not overwhelming effects and story that makes you think, mystery and noir/horror ambient. I love it! :)
That's my opinion. And now I even see similarities. Matrix has nothing on Dark City for me.
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are u serious>? I just watched Dark City yesterday and it could be the worst movie of all time. YOu liked the freakish characters?keifer sutherland in the weirdest worst role of all time, those hilarious white bald villians who say "sleep" i nearly died laughing at them, WORST MOVIE EVER, lets not even talk about the special effects which were disastrous, omg this movie sucked
GJGJ654 was right. Both of them root back in the beginning of the Nineties, with the release of Ghost in The Shell. That's the origin, actually the directors of Matrix recognised it, i'm lagging the source, but i think i saw it on TV. Have fun in comparing two byproducts, maybe get some Floor 13 and eXistenZ, then you'll have the soup GITS made.
No way. Not possible. I mean think about it. Filming takes about 1 and half too 2 years to finish. So when Dark City was released in 1998 The Matrix was still in production. There is no way. Is just ironic simularities.
there is something called 'genre' and both movies dialogue with sci-fi movies, cop movies, noir movies, action movies. it is only natural that they have many things in common.
To say that The Matrix is a copy is a very naive thing (perhaps just envious). we could perfeclty compare the two movies with some other movies and find more things in commom that were not found between these two.
The similarities start right at the beginning and reverberate throughout the film. Murdock gets an unexpected phone call from somebody he doesn't know, who tells him, "I don't have time to explain, people are coming for you, you can't let them find you". Sound familar? Anybody who says The Matrix didn't rip this movie off isn't really being objective. They failed to interject the same artistic brilliance and style though, not to mention the fact that Sewell can act circles around Keanu Reeves.
creo que exagera, como en lo de los rascacielos, pero tiene razón, cuando el aspecto general de la obra es tan similar dificilmente podemos hablar de una coincidencia en los referentes. die hard y rambo pertenecen a un genero ampliom al igual qie space jam y roger rabbit, pero Dark City y Matrix arguntalmente pertenecen a un grupo bastante restringido, me atrevería a decír que Matrix es una versión de Dark City, aunque esplendidamente realizada.
and the matrix was a lot different - simulated reality is not the same as altering memories and environments. both are creating illusion but in the matrix MEMORIES are real and perception is fake. dark city is opposite - perception is real but memories are false.
also, the matrix explains why people can do crazy shit while dark city does not - it just happens, it is not accounted for other than "he can"
I think the ability to tune is explained substantially enough in Dark City. The strangers said it takes "several of your (meaning the human race) lifetimes to master it"... meaning the reason we can't is because our life spans are too short to develop the ability. The strangers life spans are much longer. Murdock acquired the ability as the result of evolution. Any species will adapt however necessary for survival purposes. John Murdock was the prototype.
Some of these comparisons are kind of stretching things, but whether or not the matrix was "inspired" by other films, Dark City is still 2 million times better. (and it doesn't have any shitty sequals)
@zoinomiko NO. matrix is inspired in william gibsons neuromance.... same story and even characters. trust me. also yeah some films and anime but most of all in that book, william even created the term cyberspace
@germanga89 hey i just started reading that book and your right. I do think though the Matrix did pull a lot from all over (you can even say Neo is a little like Luke Skywalker or Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach) but I think thats just in general storytelling. The look of DC and Matrix is the same but thats about it. Matrix is total cyberpunk genre of sci-fi where Dark City is more Noir of sci-fi. Since Im into cyberpunk heavy its always Matrix but theyre both good movies.
It's good to see someone else point this out. The Matrix is based on the book "Neuromancer", written in 1984. So if you want to get technical, Dark City, and many Sci-Fi/Cyberpunk films "copied" this book. But there's no doubt that, stylistically, The Matrix did bogart a lot from Dark City. But the storyline came from William Gibson.
It's a nice trilogy of books btw, for those into Cyberpunk.
@JunmaiShu Total blatant lies. The Matrix is not BASED on a book you fucking moron. It is not SOLELY based on one book. Rather, it takes inspirations from the meditations of Descartes, Oracle of Delphi, Secrum Simulacra (which was shown IN THE MOVIE), etc. Don't spread lies. The Matrix is also a compilation of many other philosophical parallels, concepts, and a lot of theistic ideas. Cyberpunk is more of a cult following and it has influences on the Matrix, but nothing compared to the rest.
Ok, not "solely" then. I didn't claim there weren't other influences. It's normally the case that there are several. No need to get so animated.
But Neuromancer is certainly at the root of it all. It invented "the matrix", and "cyberspace". And no denying that they ripped off Dark City stylistically, and for some plot devices.
@JunmaiShu Neuromancer is not the ROOT of it all. To imply such a thing would mean that the premise for the entire trilogy is based off of it which isn't true. The roots go back 2000 years to Cogito ergo sum, "I think, therefore I am". It may have been an influence, but it was a minuscule. Dark City didn't have original plot devices so really I don't see the correlation, all of these movies take inspirations from the past. And the Matrix revolutionized the industry more than Dark City did.
That book coined the terms "the matrix", "cyberspace", and "cyberpunk". Sorry, but it is very much the root of the cyberpunk genre altogether (not entirely). To deny it's influence on all of these films is a farce. To deny that The Matrix ripped off Dark City in many ways, mainly stylistically, would be the same.
The Matrix revolutionized the industry more because it reached a far greater audience. Of the few that have seen both, most would favor DC in that capacity I'd wager.
@JunmaiShu You're arguing for the root of cyberpunk genre. I'm arguing about the root of the PREMISE for The Matrix, which is NOT cyberpunk. What you're doing is called implementing the Straw-man Argument, and it is a low debate tactic. I also didn't deny it's influence did I, I simply stated that it is not the main one. Also, The Matrix didn't rip anything, if you want to use that word then Dark City is simply a rip off as well, but we don't say such things do we :). Matrix impact > DC impact.
@Tekkenman101 Don't make me laugh. Matrix is shit-load full of so-called "philosophical" concepts, which are not philosphical at all. It's only gibberish for the masses. The author of the book "Simulation et simulacres", pisses on pathetic tries to make sense of the simulation processes, à la "Matrix". He himself said that "Matrix" dierctors didn't undertand AT ALL what his was trying to say in his book. Matrix is a pathetic "philosophical" excuse fot showing special effects and action scenes.
@Feamelwen Your ignorance is blatantly showing. It's clear that you have never taken a college level philosophy or theology course. The premises (or postulates) for the Matrix series are based on the most fundamental concepts in the HISTORY of Western Philosophy. Oh, I forgot Eastern mythology and philosophy as well. Lastly, it was THEIR interpretation (which was superb to the actual one) of Baudrillard's book Simulacra and Simulation (the book is a garbage view of postmodernism anyway). Grow up
That is irrelevant when it comes to the story that was being told by them both. It was not just the lighting and the shots that were similar, it was the story.
I definitly loved the matrix when it came out but man, Dark City scared the shit out of me when I first watched it. The noir tone of it and it's entirely abstract characters really shook me hard. One of my biggest problems about the matrix though is that it's too preachy. Neo is a 20th century jesus and Keanu doesn't sell me one bit- just shoots up crap. The movie stillrocks but seriously, Dark City man.
The ideas in the matrix have been around for a long time....right back to some of Plato's thought experiments, and of course, solipsism. I think it's more likely that both films are inspired by the same old philosophies, rather than by each other.
you can't compare dark city with the matrix. Thats like comparing apples and oranges as being the same damn thing - which you can't really do. You fail on this project.
Yep, Matrix is a huge watered-down rip off of Ghost in the Shell, Serial Experiments Lain and Dark City combined, three great works of visual arts while the Matrix was a cheesy mass-oriented piece of schlime.
I never understood why I can read Spanish wirthout any trouble almost word for word though. All I studied that comes close is Latin and French and I can't read either close to as well as Spanish and French not for a shit. I cannot write a single piece of coherent Spanish.
obviamente se parecen. Realmente es un ignorante el que ha hecho este video. Averiagua mas y encontraras que el director de fotografia de ambas peliculas es el mismo,
Pues he leído algunas cosa de esta comparación y en un artículo nombraban pequeñas similitudes pero aquí han hecho un trabajo que raya en la estupidez. Podríamos entonces comprara Dark City con muchas peliculas que usan elementos parecidos. Creo que perdieron el norte en esto.
Al pricipio me encanto matrix, hasta que me di cuenta que es una continuacion de la misma "matrix", que nos mantiene sentados viendo la patalla y comiendo "pop-corn", por mientras el mundo real se va a la mierda. En ese sentido encuentro a Dark City menos petulante, sin tener que recurir a discursos filosoficos que se vendan en masa.
Hola, la verdad no veo de donde este copiada Matrix de Dark City. Ambos guiones tienen mucho en comun como tema pero hasta ahi. Ambas producciones son grandes y los guiones inmejorables. No entiendo el afan de demeritar algo solo por que es fiel a sus influencias. Todos estamos influenciados y somos un producto de nuestras influencias, la originalidad es encontrar algo personal en lo cotidiano. Es superficial enfocarse solo en la forma y perder de vista el fondo de las cosas.
A todos quienes gustan de estos temas, les recomiendo mucho "FIGTH CLUB" denle un vistazo y si ya la vieron, veanla de nuevo, sin prejuicios. El surrealismo moderno. Fantasticas peliculas con un tema central, la mente creando el mundo.
Nope. But, since that is off topic, I must say that, even though I couldn't understand any of that, and it shouldn't have even showed up in my search since I don't speak Spanish, Dark City is a great movie, and the Matrix sucked so hard, it puts my ex to shame. And she can suck a golfball through a garden hose.
la razon por que tiene alguna similitudes por lo menos en lo estetico es que en el mismo wikipedia dice que the matrix y darkcity se grabaron casi en el mismo tiempo en el mismo estudio y los wachowzki re-utilizaron algunos escenarios de la pelicula darkcity
Matrix es algo así como una mezcla de un sin numero de elementos presentados anteriormente y que a los hermanos wachowski les parecierón interesantes. Las 2 son peliculas de ciencia ficción excelentes y eso nadie lo puede negar, y a todos los que intentan hacer menos a Matrix dejenme decirles que Dark City también tiene errores graves como por ejemplo ¿por qué demonios los extraterrestres hablaban ingles? , ¿la gravedad en la nave sin siquiera rotar? y un montón de incoherencias.
Ellos mismo han admitido que se basarón en animes tales como ghost in the shell para crear su trilogía.
Además no por que la pelicula haya salido en el 99 significa que todo lo planearón ese mismo año, el guión ya estaba desarrollado desde el 97 o el 96 (no lo recuerdo con exactitud).
Debo que admitir que algunas escenas en Dark City si me recordarón a Matrix, u objetos tales como las agujas esas que les metian en la cabeza son increiblemente similares pero todas las peliculas se basan en algo.
La historia de Dark City no es tampoco algo del otro mundo ya que esa misma historia la habiamos leido antes en un sin numero de libros; el hecho de intentar comprender la realidad en su totalidad es algo que ah venido obsesionando la mente humana desde siempre y así se a plasmado por mucho tiempo.
Recuerden que Matrix fue creada por los hermanos wachowski que son fans muy grandes de animes con tematicas cientificas y sobrenaturales desde los cuales tomarón su inspiración.
A ver, primero que nada dejenme decirles que soy un cinefilo endemoniado y mi genero favorito es la ciencia ficción por lo que estoy muy familiarizado con esto.
Matrix no es ni de chiste una copia de Dark City, es cierto que las 2 manejan fotografia similar, una trama más o menos parecida y demás elementos en comun pero no es suficiente para decir que es una copia explicita.
Muchas otras peliculas tienen fotografía similar a la vista en Dark City y no por eso las catalogan de copias.
By the way, a lot of lost scenes from Metropolis have been recently found. In Argentina i ithik. And the cool thing id that the film will be reedited with thoes scenes. Awesome!
some of these are retarded things to notice, but then there's a few things that kiiinda make you think. the red curtain things... that was a bit of a trip.
Here's the problem with this video: you focus on similarities like "cars in the rain" "hot girls in dresses" and "police officers with hats" and not things like the similarities between Agents and Strangers in appearance, actions, dialog, and personality. By saying "there are trains and rooms with pillars and low lighting" you are telling me "this is a movie". Some of the points were god though (needles in the head, checkered stairs).
the train station was similar to matrix as well. remember the scene when Neo was in the train station and it never stopped for him or he would run and come back to the same place. it was the same as dark city when the train was an express train and it wouldn't stop and kept him the same place and he couldn't go to shell beach. there were so many similarities i could point out. plus they replaced the knife with bullets to try to make it seem original. i sure wasn't fooled. Dark City way better!
The chasing on the roof at the beginning of the Matrix has been shot in the same stage of Dark City, so the pre-production (and probably the production) of the first movie was finished before Dark City was released.
Take another random noir movie and there you'll find alot of coincidence too.
De todas formas, no creo que se pueda hablar de plagio. Hay cientos de películas por ahí que tratan los mismos temas, tienen estéticas similares e incluso se copian u homenajean las unas a las otras. Es ley de vida en Hollywood. Pero creo que en esencia "Matrix" es una película visual, basada en la estética, la acción y los efectos, mientras que "Dark City", aunque tiene un aspecto visual maravilloso, es una película mucho más emocional y de personajes.
Yo hice un análisis exhaustivo de estas 2 películas en el 2000. Es super interesante compararlas, pero no creo que el gran público, incluso habiéndolas visto las 2, se dé cuenta del alcance de las similitudes. Y realmente no sé si importa. Para mí "Matrix" es una joya de la ciencia ficción y la acción, y "Dark City" es una joya de la fantasía. "Matrix" tuvo más éxito por muchos motivos, pero aquellos que realmente saben de cine aprecian "Dark City" tanto o más que "Matrix".
désolé mon ami mais certaines de ces similarités est kinda ridicule. il a l'air de vous fouillé trop durement pour eux et a juste trouvé ce qui pourrait sans serrer être le même. intéressant en masse bien que, deux pouces en haut
Era el año 2000 cuando mucha gente tuvo gran expectacion con "MATRIX" por lo que decidi verla y realmente fue una muy buena pelicula solo que a mi esa expectación ya me la habia causado "DARK CITY" pues la acababa de ver meses antes. En fin "DARK CITY" no fue para nada comercial, pero sin dudas son de esas peliculas que tengo en mi coleccion como mis grandes favoritas.
Soy un fiel seguidor de Dark City,y de Alex Proyas.A nivel personal, me quedo con esta película,antes que con Matrix. 1ºporque no es un mero producto comercial.Y 2º porque Proyas,te hace recapacitar mucho más que los hermanos Watchovsky,que le dan un toque mucho más artificial.Son dos buenas películas de ciencia ficción,pero Dark City a mi juicio tiene mucho más jugo que exprimir,en todos los sentidos.Las interpretaciones de Rufus Sewel,Jennifer Connely y Kiefer Sutherland,fueron geniales.
Sin duda bien hecho zamarripa... estoy cada dia convencido de que dark city no tuvo tanta fama por que aun que es siencia ficcion como que fue hecha para un genero diferfente, pienso que deberia haber otro genero para este tipo de peliculas que es lo que me gusta, estas y tambien "1984" "Soylent Green" (cuando el destino nos lacanze) son peliculas que deberian tener un genero diferfente, salu2 10-4...
Most of the time it takes a few years to produce a movie, so practically both movies were made mostly at the same time. therefore it seems odd that the wachowsky brothers were able to produce the movie entire martrix movie after ripping off Dark City. Maybe both directors (Wachowsky brothers and Alex Proyas) had the same kind of mind bending story in mind, and both made a so called "cult hit". Eitherway, it's easy to say both films were extraordinairy and a must watch for filmfans and whatnot.
Es obvio para cualquiera con un poco de cultura en la ciencia ficción que matrix es un popurrí de un montón de otras peliculas con elementos comunes. En su caso algunas de las influencias reconocidas por los propios directores incluyen Dark City, Ghost In the Shell, El Cuervo, Blade Runner, etc. De hecho, todas estas películas entran en un género que hasta Matrix ha sido siempre marginal y "de culto", el Cyberpunk. El mérito de Matrix ha sido haberlo sabido llevar al gran público.
The simple fact that Dark City isn't full of Kung Fu puts it ahead.
doandroiddream 3 weeks ago
everyone can go into every scene and compare them. The fact is they are both great movies, The Matrix did borrow from Dark City but it was released a year after so they already had the idea of where they were going with the movie before Dark City... They should both be complimented. For me i saw Dark City when was very young. i saw matrix two years later i understood matrix after two watches, I recently saw Dark City again. For me Dark City is better but no one can argue that The Matrix is bad..
Baseshocks 1 month ago
Dark City es terrible mala .... no me gustó.
stoplookhear 3 months ago
La razón por la cual, Matrix triunfo en taquillas es porque las escenas de acción son mucho más largas y son mejores, a parte del repertorio de artes marciales, cosa que funciona muy bien. Las dos me gustán por igual, pero como yo mucha gente debe reconocer, que ha visto Matrix muchas veces, basicamente porque ésta tiene escenas que individualmente del resto de la película, son extraordinarias. Dark City también, pero menos, y hace falta verla entera para poder apreciar su fantástico guión.
sweetwolf182 7 months ago
A ver.. quien busca encuentra, claro que Matrix tiene muchos parecidos a Dark City, pero tambien las dos tienen muchos parecidos a otras peliculas anteriores como El Cuervo y Nivel 13. Algunos parecidos de los que muestras son estúpidos, como polis con sombrero, callejones, escaleras de incendio.... otros son más notables, pero es muy difícil que Matrix fuera una copia de Dark City, porque ésta primera tardo mucho más tiempo en producirse, por lo que las fechas no concuerdan...
sweetwolf182 7 months ago
@sweetwolf182 El cuervo es tieme similitudes por que es del mismo director de Dark City. los directores por lo general mantienen una estética recurrente, en el caso de nivel 13 es posterior a las dos peliculas, y como es nomal en el cine una idea exitosa se explota en muchos niveles, ahora entre matrix y Dark City, si hay muchas coincidencias, dark city se comenzo a rodar primero, luego los wachowsky contrataron a Michelle McGahey la directora de arte de dark city para crear la misma estética
ddragoste 5 months ago
@danielhoang1212 if you can't take the criticism, get out of the kitchen...
stromboldt 7 months ago
Although I like the Matrix, Dark City is the superior film.
RCTPatriot75 7 months ago
gay track
hrdstylr 7 months ago
Both movie actually shared the same set.
kundalini1128 8 months ago
Dark city wins easily has more heart,doesent need kung fu & big guns for it to be amazing.
Dark city - Grown ups
Matrix - Kids
shotgunshawzy 8 months ago
I remember renting Darkcity before i had even heard of the matrix .. when I saw the opening scene of the matrix i remember the hotel sign, room, police i was like hmmm this is like Dark City both deal with a protagonist experiencing and existential crisis
rtleeson 8 months ago
Both movies have the same central issue: "Allegory of the cave of Plato".
LeonAmarantos 9 months ago
Dark city is cool, but still, I prefer the Matrix, it's more awesome in my opnion, the story seems a little more interesting to me, has great special effects and action, and much more, I also prefer the agents because they are more interesting and intimidating in my opinion, not saying the strangers are not creepy, they are, but with the agents, mostly Smith, he intimidated me pretty good, mostly with the whole, turn everyone in the matrix into agent smiths thing
roboguy75 9 months ago
These movies came out WAY too close to try to suggest The Matrix copied this. But the comparisons are bizarre.
gojira12345678910 9 months ago
te vas a cansar de encontrar estas similitudes entre las paliculas y en animei especialmente.
kelevra774 10 months ago
This video is ridicul. Matrix is better -.-
0AFonseca 10 months ago
This song sucks.
stromboldt 10 months ago
2 movies,3 directors (Wachowsky brothers and Alex Proyas). I vote "Dark City" because is much much better movie and because i am Greek (like Proyas). The atmosphere of "Dark City" is incredible and the bad guys are close to be real creatures.Great !!!
LeonAmarantos 10 months ago
I love how people build Dark City up to be this highly intelligent movie when the truth is it's no different than The Matrix. Both are thought-provoking sci-fi/fantasy movies with some cool effects. The Matrix is more action, Dark City is more noir.
Both are good. Personally I prefer The Matrix (ignoring the sequels) because I think it's better made, better paced and more fun to rewatch.
And people saying Dark City is 'clearly' better, find me a review site that rates it higher. Go on.
Mantiso 11 months ago
Dark city killed Matrix and now all 3 parts can kiss Dark city ass!
DuskoR777 1 year ago
I like both and see the similarities. If you enjoy these, you should see Thirteenth Floor. It came out around the same time as The Matrix and I believe was in the works earlier but got treated as The Matrix's ugly little brother because of release timing. The Thirteenth Floor has a better love story with it as well.
amishnation 1 year ago
@USMCFUCKYEA I think dark city was probably just over your head a bit, moron...
guins99 1 year ago
They were all inspired by the Smashing Pumpkins' video for Ave Adore!
violentbuddha 1 year ago
@USMCFUCKYEA Another online hard man, i seriously doubt you are past puberty yet, maybe when you mature a bit you will realize dark city is superior, when you have grown out of the chuck norris phase of your life.
HF & TC.
shotgunshawzy 1 year ago
People need to stop saying The Matrix was inspired by Dark City. Production on the Matrix actually started BEFORE Dark City. The Matrix was flawless. Do you really think they could have made that movie less than a year after Dark City was released?
They are both good, but seriously, how can anyone say Dark City is better than The Matrix?
jpatton1989 1 year ago
@jpatton1989 People say one is better than the other cause they don't know the difference between what they like or dislike or what is good or bad. Both films are masterpieces in their genre (which is not the same, Matrix is sci-fi/action and Dark City is fantasy/noir). I like Dark City better but it is not a better film than The Matrix, they're just different (even with all the similarities, which I presented in a video myself, it's among the related videos for this one).
ClaraDarko2 1 year ago
@jpatton1989
I don't think so. Remember the rooftoop scene in the beginning of The Matrix with trinity running away from the agents? That whole rooftop set, including other building sets were.......surprise surprise ......all from the movie Dark City.
rencrow 1 year ago
@jpatton1989 Dark city is better than the matrix.
guins99 1 year ago
suena muy razonable, pero tambien debes de considerar que matrix pudo estar inspirada, por Dark City y expandir sobre la idea, en mi opinion, me gustan las 2 por igual, a decir verdad, si Dark City es mas instrospectiva y estimulante a nivel intelectual, Matrix es mas entretenida y tiene escenas inspiradas en los ballets de la muerte del cine de accion de hong kong.
si bien otra pelicula que toma los mismos elementos de ambas peliculas seria "Inception" y tengo que decir, que es un peliculon
Evildood89 1 year ago
DARK CITY PWNS ALL!!!!
underbightdog23 1 year ago
I cant believe ppl arguing about wich one is better and matrix is shit because its similar blablabla ....watch both ...both are awesome ...and carry a deep message....unlike those shity action movies with famous wrestlers or vampires that cant have sex because they are too hardcore (lol)...
TEROCKMAN 1 year ago 18
A lot of the dark city's sets were used in the matrix.
T1000HD 1 year ago
The Matrix obviously wins hands down, both films are similar, acting isn't really that brilliant in either as many of the actors do not fit their roles apart from Carrie-Anne Moss who played Trinity. To prove that the Matrix wins ask 20 completely random people which film have they seen - The Matrix or Dark city, if they have seen neither .. shoot them.
mattyonline2 1 year ago
@mattyonline2 Just because more people may have seen the matrix doesent make it a better movie, only a neanderthal would think that, the matrix ripped dark city off big time, ( THE MATRIX IS ALL STYLE WITH NO HEART ) dark city does not need guns & kung fu to make it a good movie.
THE MATRIX = Kids
DARK CITY = Grown ups.
shotgunshawzy 1 year ago
"The Matrix" is a superb composition of "Welt am Draht", "Neuromancer", "Johnny Mnemonic", various Asian Kung-Fu movies, etc. etc. etc. - and "Dark City". To say that it rips off one of them says a lot about the lack of knowledge of the one who makes such a claim.
trakkaton 1 year ago
Nobody was copying anyone! they were both filmed in the same studio. some of the sets left over from dark city were used in the matrix to save costs.
mackjr72 1 year ago
do you all not look at the dates of when the movies were written, filmed and released? they were released only a year apart... and the matrix had been in production (from writing, to casting and filming) during the time when 'dark city' was... so seriously, stop your fucking complaining and enjoy these damn good movies. please, thank you.
sk8terbandgeek17 1 year ago
Y aunque fueran una copia de la otra, que ya digo, Matrix es un proyecto años anterior a Dark City. ¿Tu que eres director de fotografía?
Los planos no tienen absolutamente nada de comparación, ¿iluminación? vamos no me jodas.
¿Y que me dices del storyboard en forma de comic que hicieron los Wachowski muchos años antes de que nisiquiera al director de Dark City se le hubiera ocurrido hacer la película? No me compares la producción, dirección, guión e interpretación de Matrix con este fracaso.
celiaco21 1 year ago
Dudo mucho que una sea una copia de otra porque matrix comenzó a rodarse años antes que Dark City.
celiaco21 1 year ago
lol those comparisons were a huge stretch.
eckosama 1 year ago
i never watched dark city but i watched matrix!!!
piccolo56000 1 year ago
Entre las opciones que diste al final,me inclino por la última, porque desde siempre Dark City me pareció que tenía un aspecto más cerebral y profundo que The Matrix. Aclaro, me encantó The Matrix, pero Dark City ha sido un referenta para mí desde que la vi.
argentinewarrior 1 year ago
El otro día vi 'Replicant' de Ringo Lam. Comenzaba con una operación policial en una noche lluviosa, ergo según estas teorías esta también plagia a Dark City, ¿no?.
y en Blade Runner la ciudad siempre está oscura...
El exito de Matrix fue por las increibles efectos especiales y sus impresionantes escenas de acción. Además no le pilló el boom de Titanic al estrenarse un año después.
crisjohanson 1 year ago
Dark city tecnica fumettistica! Matrix un action game! L'arte vince sempre, perciò io dico Dark City!
cloack65 1 year ago
dark city is what the matrix should have become with the sequals.
LostNbound 1 year ago
Both movies are great, but:
Rufus Sewell - fine actor, weak as a heroic protagonist, he's better at playing villains.
Keanu - weak actor, charismatic star, inexplicably great in roles like Neo, Constantine or Speed.
Keifer gives a truly TERRIBLE, affected performance
Jennifer Connelly: total zero
Carre-Ann Moss: phenomenal, one of the greatest female action characters ever.
William Hurt: practically a zero, very bland performance.
Strangers vs Agents - a draw.
Final score: Matrix FTW
jackiechampion 1 year ago
If they didnt drag Matrix out for 3 movies (and just made it 2 movies) I would say matrix hands down. The last 2 movies (how they were cut, to make money off 2 films instead of 1) was boring and overdone. Therefore.... Dark City wins.
wardog3d 1 year ago
ummmm....Dark City was cool and all but to say its better than The Matrix???? Really?! Hahahahaha thats funny...Dark City didnt sell for shit man what are you people...mental???
ironfist13491 1 year ago
@ironfist13491 The only reason the matrix sold is because of pubeless gullible fools like yourself, who needs kung fu & gun shoot outs to enjoy a movie.
shotgunshawzy 1 year ago
@shotgunshawzy whatever dumbass...Dark City was a weak ass movie and the numbers dont lie. LMFAO the Matrix didnt rip off dark city....what a joke
ironfist13491 1 year ago
@ironfist13491 Stupid fanboy, suck a lollipop.
shotgunshawzy 1 year ago
@shotgunshawzy is that the best you can come up with?! Look asshole...And this is to EVERYBODY....The Matrix started a trend with movies. Before 1996 movies didnt have wire fu or slow motion while there was gunfire. The Matrix changed movies and the way they were made. Dark City put me to sleep. pwnd
ironfist13491 1 year ago
@ironfist13491 You are 100% correct the matrix changed movie makin for the worse, CGI BULLET TIME BULLSHIT.
shotgunshawzy 1 year ago
@shotgunshawzy hahahaha whateve douche bag. Argue that fact with the BILLIONS of Matrix fans all over the world. Then you and youre dark city fanbase buddys can argue about it on here...all two dozen of you
ironfist13491 1 year ago
Matrix was good for what it was but Dark City is instant classic. The whole atmosphere of the movie is epic
Joer22784 1 year ago
Hermano, es ridículo comparar dos películas solo porque el diseño de producción es similar. Matrix es acerca del libre albedrío, el control y el destino, mientras que Dark City es acerca de la memoria, los sentimientos y la Teoría Omphalos. Si somos así de estúpidos para juzgar, entonces estamos muy mal para realmente ver cine con ojos críticos...
Benishe 1 year ago
Matrix es acerca de una realidad simulada, donde todo ser humano tiene el potencial de despertar a una nueva capa de la realidad, donde conceptos como el albedrío, el control y el destino son variables de una máquina.
Benishe 1 year ago
Esto es ridículo, Dark City se basa en la idea del últimomartesismo, donde la realidad pudo haber sido creada el martes de la semana pasada, por dar un ejemplo, pero no es posible remostrarlo, dado lo poco fiable que es la memoria humana para definir a una persona,
Benishe 1 year ago
dark city es una joya
NeilYoung1980 1 year ago
When i watch Matrix, i understand this. I think, Matrix's storyboard are copy of Dark City.
Dark City is better than Matrix. Because, original.
fortunatv 1 year ago
3:53
Probably better publicity, better dialogue, better soundtrack and somewhat better directors
nadogi 1 year ago
@nadogi U think those goofy kung fu asian guys are better than ALEX PROYAS? WTF? U didn't even watch Dark City so shut up
bobjangle11 1 year ago
@bobjangle11 I've seen Dark City several times, in fact. The story and basic ideas of DC are better than the Matrix, but the movie still suffered from stiff dialogue and a soundtrack that didn't really fit well into the film, plus the special effects weren't all that great. Some of the scenes could have been done better as well. It also didn't have nearly as much publicity. If these things had been changed it probably would have been much more successful than the Matrix films.
nadogi 1 year ago
Los fans de matrix se indignan pero es lo que hay...un poco exageradas las comparaciones estas pero bueno.
A mi me molan mas Dark City y Nivel 13 que Matrix sobretodo porque pillaba a las 2 protas y les estaba dando pomada de aqui a Septiembre
thefabique 2 years ago
The Thirteenth Floor was better than The Matrix, IMO. Both movies came out at the same time but the low budget Thirteenth Floor didn't get enough promotion.
Dark City? One of the coolest noir sci-fi films of all time.
MyCatBear 2 years ago
i love all the metaphors in the matrix and the action is great too
i havent seen dark city yet but im gonna soon
TITISIMO25 2 years ago
@halpyman
Seriously?... I can see why Dark City might not appeal to everyone but still, worst movie ever?
jrupert1 2 years ago
@jrupert1 Retarded?
shotgunshawzy 1 year ago
You just took random screenshots of the films that appeared visually similar, completely ignoring the context they were placed in. That's not to say there aren't similarities, but neither movie is a direct shot-for-shot ripoff of the other like you'd think from watching this slideshow.
HostageKiller 2 years ago
@HostageKiller The matrix used the same building sets as dark city, as it was filmed in the same location in australia
L337Pf2 2 years ago
The Matrix reused a lot of Dark City's sets, including the rooftop set and the spiral staircase set.
Pwells1 2 years ago
Espera, yo tengo otra!
en las dos salen personas!!! Oh My God
vaya gilipollez de comparaciones.
Ya puestos ¿Por qué no nos ponemos a compararlas también con Nivel 13? total pal caso patatas.
ElSrSociopata 2 years ago
i was woking this fall wiht rufus. he is great.
kristianbejb 2 years ago
Why do these stupid morons think we want to listen to their shitty music as we watch their videos. Pukity puke puke puke. Then for a minute and a half, nothing. Fucks sake.
stromboldt 2 years ago 11
I never thought much of Matrix. Sure it has great effects and pretty interesting story but I never could sympathize with characters. i don't know is it the actors or the screenplay or something else but they left me cold. Only character I liked was that old wise lady who was really some kind of soft-where. I can't remember her name.
51stcenturygirl 2 years ago
On other hand Dark City pulled me in the story from the first scene to the end. I loved all the characters and sympathized with them even the bad guys. Very interesting movie - with great but not overwhelming effects and story that makes you think, mystery and noir/horror ambient. I love it! :)
That's my opinion. And now I even see similarities. Matrix has nothing on Dark City for me.
51stcenturygirl 2 years ago 2
@51stcenturygirl
pretty harsh on the matrix but i do agree with u on most of what ue said...... no need for matrix 2-3.....disgrace.
shotgunshawzy 2 years ago
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are u serious>? I just watched Dark City yesterday and it could be the worst movie of all time. YOu liked the freakish characters?keifer sutherland in the weirdest worst role of all time, those hilarious white bald villians who say "sleep" i nearly died laughing at them, WORST MOVIE EVER, lets not even talk about the special effects which were disastrous, omg this movie sucked
halpyman 2 years ago
@51stcenturygirl The Oracle , The mother of the Matrix the dude from my High School class wrote the screenplay for Dark City David S. Goyer.
JohnB5304 2 years ago
Los parámetros de comparación no justifican la acusación de plagio. Hay cientos de películas con las mismas características.
AnaMMorgana 2 years ago
j'ai vu dark city apres matrix et la ressemblance m'a sauté aux yeux!
anaitat76 2 years ago
GJGJ654 was right. Both of them root back in the beginning of the Nineties, with the release of Ghost in The Shell. That's the origin, actually the directors of Matrix recognised it, i'm lagging the source, but i think i saw it on TV. Have fun in comparing two byproducts, maybe get some Floor 13 and eXistenZ, then you'll have the soup GITS made.
ptommi 2 years ago
No way. Not possible. I mean think about it. Filming takes about 1 and half too 2 years to finish. So when Dark City was released in 1998 The Matrix was still in production. There is no way. Is just ironic simularities.
ModernDayReview88 2 years ago 2
Dark City is what the Matrix would be like if neo took the blue pill.
envixelvirtuoso 2 years ago 3
watever the matrix was an amazing movie and so was dark city
WyattDstevens12 2 years ago
i find ghost in the shell more near the matrix, specially the matrix trilogy. the first matrix was good, but the 2 and 3 ... ordinary
GJGJ654 2 years ago
there is something called 'genre' and both movies dialogue with sci-fi movies, cop movies, noir movies, action movies. it is only natural that they have many things in common.
To say that The Matrix is a copy is a very naive thing (perhaps just envious). we could perfeclty compare the two movies with some other movies and find more things in commom that were not found between these two.
limafilho27 2 years ago
great effort, but it seems that the comparison was just a weak attempt to put down the excelent movie The Matrix. But it failed to do so, of course.
limafilho27 2 years ago
Inconscientemente somos capaces de hacer la repolla eh, Eso es Magiack también of course.
Daniazco 2 years ago
tendran algunos fotogramas parecidos, pero no se parecen en nada...no tienen nada que ver
darkpegasus18 2 years ago
dark city is my fav, although matrix is maybe the best movie ever, but too affective
ajutubos 2 years ago
The similarities start right at the beginning and reverberate throughout the film. Murdock gets an unexpected phone call from somebody he doesn't know, who tells him, "I don't have time to explain, people are coming for you, you can't let them find you". Sound familar? Anybody who says The Matrix didn't rip this movie off isn't really being objective. They failed to interject the same artistic brilliance and style though, not to mention the fact that Sewell can act circles around Keanu Reeves.
JunmaiShu 2 years ago 3
creo que exagera, como en lo de los rascacielos, pero tiene razón, cuando el aspecto general de la obra es tan similar dificilmente podemos hablar de una coincidencia en los referentes. die hard y rambo pertenecen a un genero ampliom al igual qie space jam y roger rabbit, pero Dark City y Matrix arguntalmente pertenecen a un grupo bastante restringido, me atrevería a decír que Matrix es una versión de Dark City, aunque esplendidamente realizada.
grancucharon 2 years ago
Ghost in the Shell>Matrix>Gun-Kata>Matrix Reloaded>Dark City>Matrix Revolution
Kaleidoscorp 2 years ago
Gun-Kata == Equilibrium ^ ?
Ubiquidade 2 years ago
Oui
Kaleidoscorp 2 years ago
both are great why do we need to argue??
and the matrix was a lot different - simulated reality is not the same as altering memories and environments. both are creating illusion but in the matrix MEMORIES are real and perception is fake. dark city is opposite - perception is real but memories are false.
also, the matrix explains why people can do crazy shit while dark city does not - it just happens, it is not accounted for other than "he can"
but both are great, and both can be enjoyed
dweebieMC 2 years ago 3
I think the ability to tune is explained substantially enough in Dark City. The strangers said it takes "several of your (meaning the human race) lifetimes to master it"... meaning the reason we can't is because our life spans are too short to develop the ability. The strangers life spans are much longer. Murdock acquired the ability as the result of evolution. Any species will adapt however necessary for survival purposes. John Murdock was the prototype.
JunmaiShu 2 years ago
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Both are great? Dark city was one of the worst films i have ever seen.
halpyman 2 years ago
Some of these comparisons are kind of stretching things, but whether or not the matrix was "inspired" by other films, Dark City is still 2 million times better. (and it doesn't have any shitty sequals)
zoinomiko 2 years ago 28
@zoinomiko NO. matrix is inspired in william gibsons neuromance.... same story and even characters. trust me. also yeah some films and anime but most of all in that book, william even created the term cyberspace
germanga89 1 year ago
@germanga89 hey i just started reading that book and your right. I do think though the Matrix did pull a lot from all over (you can even say Neo is a little like Luke Skywalker or Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach) but I think thats just in general storytelling. The look of DC and Matrix is the same but thats about it. Matrix is total cyberpunk genre of sci-fi where Dark City is more Noir of sci-fi. Since Im into cyberpunk heavy its always Matrix but theyre both good movies.
primenemisis 10 months ago
It's good to see someone else point this out. The Matrix is based on the book "Neuromancer", written in 1984. So if you want to get technical, Dark City, and many Sci-Fi/Cyberpunk films "copied" this book. But there's no doubt that, stylistically, The Matrix did bogart a lot from Dark City. But the storyline came from William Gibson.
It's a nice trilogy of books btw, for those into Cyberpunk.
JunmaiShu 3 months ago
@JunmaiShu Total blatant lies. The Matrix is not BASED on a book you fucking moron. It is not SOLELY based on one book. Rather, it takes inspirations from the meditations of Descartes, Oracle of Delphi, Secrum Simulacra (which was shown IN THE MOVIE), etc. Don't spread lies. The Matrix is also a compilation of many other philosophical parallels, concepts, and a lot of theistic ideas. Cyberpunk is more of a cult following and it has influences on the Matrix, but nothing compared to the rest.
Tekkenman101 3 months ago
Ok, not "solely" then. I didn't claim there weren't other influences. It's normally the case that there are several. No need to get so animated.
But Neuromancer is certainly at the root of it all. It invented "the matrix", and "cyberspace". And no denying that they ripped off Dark City stylistically, and for some plot devices.
JunmaiShu 3 months ago
@JunmaiShu Neuromancer is not the ROOT of it all. To imply such a thing would mean that the premise for the entire trilogy is based off of it which isn't true. The roots go back 2000 years to Cogito ergo sum, "I think, therefore I am". It may have been an influence, but it was a minuscule. Dark City didn't have original plot devices so really I don't see the correlation, all of these movies take inspirations from the past. And the Matrix revolutionized the industry more than Dark City did.
Tekkenman101 3 months ago
That book coined the terms "the matrix", "cyberspace", and "cyberpunk". Sorry, but it is very much the root of the cyberpunk genre altogether (not entirely). To deny it's influence on all of these films is a farce. To deny that The Matrix ripped off Dark City in many ways, mainly stylistically, would be the same.
The Matrix revolutionized the industry more because it reached a far greater audience. Of the few that have seen both, most would favor DC in that capacity I'd wager.
JunmaiShu 3 months ago
@JunmaiShu You're arguing for the root of cyberpunk genre. I'm arguing about the root of the PREMISE for The Matrix, which is NOT cyberpunk. What you're doing is called implementing the Straw-man Argument, and it is a low debate tactic. I also didn't deny it's influence did I, I simply stated that it is not the main one. Also, The Matrix didn't rip anything, if you want to use that word then Dark City is simply a rip off as well, but we don't say such things do we :). Matrix impact > DC impact.
Tekkenman101 3 months ago
@Tekkenman101 Don't make me laugh. Matrix is shit-load full of so-called "philosophical" concepts, which are not philosphical at all. It's only gibberish for the masses. The author of the book "Simulation et simulacres", pisses on pathetic tries to make sense of the simulation processes, à la "Matrix". He himself said that "Matrix" dierctors didn't undertand AT ALL what his was trying to say in his book. Matrix is a pathetic "philosophical" excuse fot showing special effects and action scenes.
Feamelwen 1 month ago
@Feamelwen Your ignorance is blatantly showing. It's clear that you have never taken a college level philosophy or theology course. The premises (or postulates) for the Matrix series are based on the most fundamental concepts in the HISTORY of Western Philosophy. Oh, I forgot Eastern mythology and philosophy as well. Lastly, it was THEIR interpretation (which was superb to the actual one) of Baudrillard's book Simulacra and Simulation (the book is a garbage view of postmodernism anyway). Grow up
Tekkenman101 1 month ago
@zoinomiko agreed -- also fair to say that Sutherland and William Hurt are both great actors, keanu reeves --- not so much.
guins99 1 year ago
@guins99 Reeves owns that genre though: Johnny Mnemonic, Matrix, A Scanner Darkly, and hopefully Cowboy Beebop!
primenemisis 10 months ago
@zoinomiko There were both under development around the same time, so it would be very difficult for one to be inspired by one or another.
overlord3069 1 year ago
go dark city !! matrix sucks balls
xxxShishioxxx 2 years ago
Uhh, English, please?
triofanforlife 2 years ago
you also cant forget about the fight scene at the end. it was no different then matrix. flying and using powers.
dl4breeze 2 years ago 2
Je ne trouve pas le nom du groupe qui joue cette musique.
I can't find the name of the band that plays this music.
No puedo encontrar el nombre del grupo que juega esta musica.
zant3 2 years ago
If Matrix exists then it isn't the real Matrix
aryadeva 2 years ago
Okay, so for those of you who don't know... both movies had the same Director of Photography!
moysesnyc 3 years ago 2
That is irrelevant when it comes to the story that was being told by them both. It was not just the lighting and the shots that were similar, it was the story.
More of the story than anything else.
flashlightbrown 2 years ago
I definitly loved the matrix when it came out but man, Dark City scared the shit out of me when I first watched it. The noir tone of it and it's entirely abstract characters really shook me hard. One of my biggest problems about the matrix though is that it's too preachy. Neo is a 20th century jesus and Keanu doesn't sell me one bit- just shoots up crap. The movie stillrocks but seriously, Dark City man.
necrid86 3 years ago 2
Dark City definitely inspired Matrix. I thought the same when I watched them.
keremwharton 3 years ago 13
The ideas in the matrix have been around for a long time....right back to some of Plato's thought experiments, and of course, solipsism. I think it's more likely that both films are inspired by the same old philosophies, rather than by each other.
joemclean90 1 year ago
you can't compare dark city with the matrix. Thats like comparing apples and oranges as being the same damn thing - which you can't really do. You fail on this project.
NineTailsDemonFox 3 years ago
Yep, Matrix is a huge watered-down rip off of Ghost in the Shell, Serial Experiments Lain and Dark City combined, three great works of visual arts while the Matrix was a cheesy mass-oriented piece of schlime.
I never understood why I can read Spanish wirthout any trouble almost word for word though. All I studied that comes close is Latin and French and I can't read either close to as well as Spanish and French not for a shit. I cannot write a single piece of coherent Spanish.
nageljeuk 3 years ago
obviamente se parecen. Realmente es un ignorante el que ha hecho este video. Averiagua mas y encontraras que el director de fotografia de ambas peliculas es el mismo,
DrJato 3 years ago 2
haha i didn't know that, now it just all makes sense..
moysesnyc 3 years ago
Pues he leído algunas cosa de esta comparación y en un artículo nombraban pequeñas similitudes pero aquí han hecho un trabajo que raya en la estupidez. Podríamos entonces comprara Dark City con muchas peliculas que usan elementos parecidos. Creo que perdieron el norte en esto.
ojodeoso 3 years ago 2
i like both and so should you all.
badboy707sick 3 years ago 2
The two movies use the same set...its not a coincidence...
mrinfo15 3 years ago 3
Dark City is the better film.
freakydill 3 years ago 5
Al pricipio me encanto matrix, hasta que me di cuenta que es una continuacion de la misma "matrix", que nos mantiene sentados viendo la patalla y comiendo "pop-corn", por mientras el mundo real se va a la mierda. En ese sentido encuentro a Dark City menos petulante, sin tener que recurir a discursos filosoficos que se vendan en masa.
eukako83 3 years ago
He tenido que cambiar el audio del vídeo porque el autor del audio anterior me ha denunciado... en fin...
figodido77 3 years ago
@figodido77
Hola, la verdad no veo de donde este copiada Matrix de Dark City. Ambos guiones tienen mucho en comun como tema pero hasta ahi. Ambas producciones son grandes y los guiones inmejorables. No entiendo el afan de demeritar algo solo por que es fiel a sus influencias. Todos estamos influenciados y somos un producto de nuestras influencias, la originalidad es encontrar algo personal en lo cotidiano. Es superficial enfocarse solo en la forma y perder de vista el fondo de las cosas.
TOLTECNICO 1 year ago
@figodido77
A todos quienes gustan de estos temas, les recomiendo mucho "FIGTH CLUB" denle un vistazo y si ya la vieron, veanla de nuevo, sin prejuicios. El surrealismo moderno. Fantasticas peliculas con un tema central, la mente creando el mundo.
TOLTECNICO 1 year ago
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luckybob692 3 years ago
kinda harsh isn't it.
YnKing5 3 years ago
Nope. But, since that is off topic, I must say that, even though I couldn't understand any of that, and it shouldn't have even showed up in my search since I don't speak Spanish, Dark City is a great movie, and the Matrix sucked so hard, it puts my ex to shame. And she can suck a golfball through a garden hose.
14Jester88 3 years ago
Dark City is definitely the best sci-fi movie of the 90's.
YnKing5 3 years ago 4
la razon por que tiene alguna similitudes por lo menos en lo estetico es que en el mismo wikipedia dice que the matrix y darkcity se grabaron casi en el mismo tiempo en el mismo estudio y los wachowzki re-utilizaron algunos escenarios de la pelicula darkcity
warghost 3 years ago 2
Matrix es algo así como una mezcla de un sin numero de elementos presentados anteriormente y que a los hermanos wachowski les parecierón interesantes. Las 2 son peliculas de ciencia ficción excelentes y eso nadie lo puede negar, y a todos los que intentan hacer menos a Matrix dejenme decirles que Dark City también tiene errores graves como por ejemplo ¿por qué demonios los extraterrestres hablaban ingles? , ¿la gravedad en la nave sin siquiera rotar? y un montón de incoherencias.
ezgar001 3 years ago 2
Ellos mismo han admitido que se basarón en animes tales como ghost in the shell para crear su trilogía.
Además no por que la pelicula haya salido en el 99 significa que todo lo planearón ese mismo año, el guión ya estaba desarrollado desde el 97 o el 96 (no lo recuerdo con exactitud).
Debo que admitir que algunas escenas en Dark City si me recordarón a Matrix, u objetos tales como las agujas esas que les metian en la cabeza son increiblemente similares pero todas las peliculas se basan en algo.
ezgar001 3 years ago
La historia de Dark City no es tampoco algo del otro mundo ya que esa misma historia la habiamos leido antes en un sin numero de libros; el hecho de intentar comprender la realidad en su totalidad es algo que ah venido obsesionando la mente humana desde siempre y así se a plasmado por mucho tiempo.
Recuerden que Matrix fue creada por los hermanos wachowski que son fans muy grandes de animes con tematicas cientificas y sobrenaturales desde los cuales tomarón su inspiración.
ezgar001 3 years ago
A ver, primero que nada dejenme decirles que soy un cinefilo endemoniado y mi genero favorito es la ciencia ficción por lo que estoy muy familiarizado con esto.
Matrix no es ni de chiste una copia de Dark City, es cierto que las 2 manejan fotografia similar, una trama más o menos parecida y demás elementos en comun pero no es suficiente para decir que es una copia explicita.
Muchas otras peliculas tienen fotografía similar a la vista en Dark City y no por eso las catalogan de copias.
ezgar001 3 years ago
stupides del publico.
dark city es muy buena, demasiado como para que alguien con conicimiento cinematografiico
no lo note. Matrix es muy buena tambien pero dark city se lleva el triunfo.
XR11995 3 years ago
Yo creo que Matrix triunfó porque incluía muchas escenas de acción, cosa que Dark city no hacía. A mi personalmente, me gusta más Dark City
magarcia004 3 years ago
Que es el llamo de la musica en esta video? Es bien. Por favor, lo ciento porque me espanol, no es me lingua premiero.
tehkevxor1983 3 years ago
la música forma parte de la Banda Sonora Original de Dark City.
The music is the Dark City Original Soundtrack
figodido77 3 years ago
dark city was more talent, and way better plot and ending
metroid101 3 years ago 2
dark city was a crazy ass movie 5/5
ignoresxk1 3 years ago
hum... very similar indeed. But every project is inspired by others, that's normal !
By the way, Dark City is a pale copy of Metropolis (Fritz Lang - 1927). Is it a shame as well ???
matlille 3 years ago
By the way, a lot of lost scenes from Metropolis have been recently found. In Argentina i ithik. And the cool thing id that the film will be reedited with thoes scenes. Awesome!
photon72 3 years ago
there is no such thing as a truly original thought
starswitch 3 years ago
some of these are retarded things to notice, but then there's a few things that kiiinda make you think. the red curtain things... that was a bit of a trip.
Getajon 3 years ago
they used the same set
amandeepv 3 years ago
So THAT's why the first Matrix was good, while the other two sucked.
patsy02 3 years ago 4
Here's the problem with this video: you focus on similarities like "cars in the rain" "hot girls in dresses" and "police officers with hats" and not things like the similarities between Agents and Strangers in appearance, actions, dialog, and personality. By saying "there are trains and rooms with pillars and low lighting" you are telling me "this is a movie". Some of the points were god though (needles in the head, checkered stairs).
squidles 3 years ago 3
the train station was similar to matrix as well. remember the scene when Neo was in the train station and it never stopped for him or he would run and come back to the same place. it was the same as dark city when the train was an express train and it wouldn't stop and kept him the same place and he couldn't go to shell beach. there were so many similarities i could point out. plus they replaced the knife with bullets to try to make it seem original. i sure wasn't fooled. Dark City way better!
dl4breeze 2 years ago
Yea,
Dark City Hands Down! The Matrix was good too but Dark City had much more style.
starfish22o 3 years ago 7
i am agree!
brambill 3 years ago
The Matrix was a good movie, but Dark City was just so in depth with it's artistic design. I say dark city wins.
InsideTheMirror 3 years ago 4
The chasing on the roof at the beginning of the Matrix has been shot in the same stage of Dark City, so the pre-production (and probably the production) of the first movie was finished before Dark City was released.
Take another random noir movie and there you'll find alot of coincidence too.
SniperViper22 3 years ago
De todas formas, no creo que se pueda hablar de plagio. Hay cientos de películas por ahí que tratan los mismos temas, tienen estéticas similares e incluso se copian u homenajean las unas a las otras. Es ley de vida en Hollywood. Pero creo que en esencia "Matrix" es una película visual, basada en la estética, la acción y los efectos, mientras que "Dark City", aunque tiene un aspecto visual maravilloso, es una película mucho más emocional y de personajes.
ClaraDarko 3 years ago
Yo hice un análisis exhaustivo de estas 2 películas en el 2000. Es super interesante compararlas, pero no creo que el gran público, incluso habiéndolas visto las 2, se dé cuenta del alcance de las similitudes. Y realmente no sé si importa. Para mí "Matrix" es una joya de la ciencia ficción y la acción, y "Dark City" es una joya de la fantasía. "Matrix" tuvo más éxito por muchos motivos, pero aquellos que realmente saben de cine aprecian "Dark City" tanto o más que "Matrix".
ClaraDarko 3 years ago
désolé mon ami mais certaines de ces similarités est kinda ridicule. il a l'air de vous fouillé trop durement pour eux et a juste trouvé ce qui pourrait sans serrer être le même. intéressant en masse bien que, deux pouces en haut
NormanKog 3 years ago
Era el año 2000 cuando mucha gente tuvo gran expectacion con "MATRIX" por lo que decidi verla y realmente fue una muy buena pelicula solo que a mi esa expectación ya me la habia causado "DARK CITY" pues la acababa de ver meses antes. En fin "DARK CITY" no fue para nada comercial, pero sin dudas son de esas peliculas que tengo en mi coleccion como mis grandes favoritas.
GerryHyatt 3 years ago
Soy un fiel seguidor de Dark City,y de Alex Proyas.A nivel personal, me quedo con esta película,antes que con Matrix. 1ºporque no es un mero producto comercial.Y 2º porque Proyas,te hace recapacitar mucho más que los hermanos Watchovsky,que le dan un toque mucho más artificial.Son dos buenas películas de ciencia ficción,pero Dark City a mi juicio tiene mucho más jugo que exprimir,en todos los sentidos.Las interpretaciones de Rufus Sewel,Jennifer Connely y Kiefer Sutherland,fueron geniales.
Verkko1980 3 years ago
1984... grandiosa
figodido77 3 years ago
Sin duda bien hecho zamarripa... estoy cada dia convencido de que dark city no tuvo tanta fama por que aun que es siencia ficcion como que fue hecha para un genero diferfente, pienso que deberia haber otro genero para este tipo de peliculas que es lo que me gusta, estas y tambien "1984" "Soylent Green" (cuando el destino nos lacanze) son peliculas que deberian tener un genero diferfente, salu2 10-4...
manuel28 3 years ago
Most of the time it takes a few years to produce a movie, so practically both movies were made mostly at the same time. therefore it seems odd that the wachowsky brothers were able to produce the movie entire martrix movie after ripping off Dark City. Maybe both directors (Wachowsky brothers and Alex Proyas) had the same kind of mind bending story in mind, and both made a so called "cult hit". Eitherway, it's easy to say both films were extraordinairy and a must watch for filmfans and whatnot.
volkeran 3 years ago
Both were made in Fox studios in Sydney Australia, Los dos peliculas estaban realizados en Fox Studios en Sydney Australia.
pauldallimore 3 years ago
Es obvio para cualquiera con un poco de cultura en la ciencia ficción que matrix es un popurrí de un montón de otras peliculas con elementos comunes. En su caso algunas de las influencias reconocidas por los propios directores incluyen Dark City, Ghost In the Shell, El Cuervo, Blade Runner, etc. De hecho, todas estas películas entran en un género que hasta Matrix ha sido siempre marginal y "de culto", el Cyberpunk. El mérito de Matrix ha sido haberlo sabido llevar al gran público.
Amhiel 3 years ago