This is actualy really easy. If your looking at a piece of it trying to figure out thats different but when its broken down in the 2nd to 3rd step you should be done and have it
I used to make dragonscale armor... Then I took an arrow to the knee.... Apparently I wasn't doing it right.... Lol jk great tutorial, about the 4th step I had to stop and figure it out though
Ahh! now I get it!!!! I've been trying to work from some printed instructions I found online, which left me soooo confused. Thank you so much for this - clarity reigns :)
@RashiD1G No, Dragon scale is like two pieces of 4-1 woven through each other. 8-1 is just 4-1 with each ring going through twice the rings. the AR on 8-1 would be too loose for DS.
Thank you for this, I've been somewhat interested in making chainmaille for a while now, and your videos have made learning how a breeze. I used 14ga and 19ga galvanized steel for my rings, and used a 3/8" and 3/16" diameter respectively. Mine looks decent, not too bad for a first attempt. How did you get your rings to close so well? Mine always bend slightly at the opening, so even if the tips align the overall shape isn't flat... any help would be appreciated.
@GrayHatLinux The ones I used in the video are sawcut so that the kerf looks as flush as it can. I wouldn't suggest doing this with a jeweler's saw as you will go through many blades.
@inuyasha9876 Nope, I made these rings myself. I used a jeweler's saw to make the ends nice and flush; it's important when making small things like jewelry that the kerf on your rings is as flush as possible, so that the piece looks like it's made from solid rings. It just makes the finished product look nicer.
@inuyasha9876 get yourself a durable hobby saw, it looks like a hack saw but smaller. it should be able to cut through16-12 gauge steel wire. ive been using wirecutters for the first few bunch of rings made however they looked terrible and had ends that jutted out from wierd angles. if you use a hack saw, you will be able to cut the rings in a straight line and they will look perfectly straight and proper.
@Zenox25 I use a dremel saw with a cutting wheel. It makes the cutting of rings off a spring soooo much faster. Just clamp the spring down in a vice and saw away.
@inuyasha9876 i'm just starting out on my first piece, but i got tired of the ends of my rings looking pinched and nasty, so i got a Dremel and some cutting wheels. Not very expensive, but very effective.
@AttilaHUNofEARTH I don't know why I wrote AR. I meant the guage of wire, also, what material would you suggest, I mean I would definitely sweat in it and it might get into contact with rain and water in various forms. I was thinking 14 guage stainless steel with an ID of 18mm, so an AR of 9 or will that be too difficult to work with? I'd like it heavy and I want an authentic experience, but without the rust... could I make the diameter smaller?
Have you ever used neoprene(rubber) rings for any of your projects, and how stretchy are these rings. I ask because certain weaves, like this, could use neoprene rings to replace certain ones to give chainmail a stretch without affecting the look. With dragonscale, I imagine using neoprene rings for the smaller rings would still look the same, but get the chainmail some stretch capability.
@Mangekyu10 I've never used them before, I know others who have. They wind up looking like anodized aluminum rings when it's done. You certainly could use them in a DS weave, but I've never joined two ends of dragonscale together before (I usually use clasps). It can be done, and easily I imagine. I've seen it done for HP3-1 before.
For a given area, which weave would have the most weight? I want something for resistance training and maille would be ideal. I just want the best return on my investment...
@watcher314159 The denser the weave, the heavier. That being said, you could go with dragonscale, but I'd recommend just making a dense 4-1, or maybe 6-1 or 8-1 since it would be simpler to weave than dragonscale. Also the european weaves are more flexible, so they would be more comfortable to wear.
Nice tutorial. Just what I was looking for. ^.^ And just a suggestion...no offense, but perhaps a little less chatter in the beginning? Short and simple or reference to notes in comments if you have a lot to say outside of the tut. No worries though, I blab a lot through my own tuts. :P Been trying hard not to though as I tend to fast forward through other people's yammering.
@oblivionboy1 I said at 1:45. It depends on the application, though. If its for jewelry you want something smaller, so 20g rings of 3/16" and 1/8" ID. If it s for armor, you can use 16g 1/4" and 3/8". In either case the AR of the small rings is 4 while the larger rings is 6.
Thanks! I was happy to just get the wire gauges and the IDs without having to figure them out. Thanks for breaking it down. I finally get it now. I love this weave, and it's escaped me for some time now. I appreciate all the work you put into this.
I just thought I'd jump in on this thread. If you're going to be doing alot of ring cutting (which I prefer to do -- that way you can always have the size on hand that you need) you might try a Koil Kutter. It's similar to the Jump Ringer but it's less than 1/2 the price. You have to email the guy to order it. Very honest guy and fast shipping. I've had mine for about 2 years and have cut 1000's of rings with it. Google Koil Kutter & download the pdf
do you make your own jump rings? If so, do you sand them or something? how do you get the edges so smooth? thanks for making this video. it's very helpful.
@punin10ded I do make my own rings, mostly. I just sawcut them to get the flush edges. If you use a machine, you need to deburr them with walnut shell media.
That looks amazingly complicated. I would dearly love to spend a few quiert hours with you learning how to do it. But I'm sure I'll get the hang of it.
@neverneen The problem with mithril is that it can only be found at the top of Mt. Everest, so no large scale mining operations have ever been performed. If you want the materials you will have to get them yourself. It is surprisingly easy to work though, so just follow the regular tutorial and you'll do fine ^.^
Dragonscale is by far one of my favorite weaves, it's good for anything, jewellery, armor, you name it. You have some good Ar's there, I see a lot of idiots who make really loose open hanging dragonscale.
That depends on the springback of the metal. If the 14g does so more than the 16g, it should work. Since the 16g wire is 1/16", then 2(1/16)+ (3/8)= 1/2" Therefore, if the springback is minimal in the 16g, it just might work. It also fulfills the 4AR of the small rings, so it should make a nice flexible dragonscale.
Unless my math is completely off like it is sometimes. If the springback isn't what I'm hoping it is, you could even go down to 5/16" small rings to compensate. I'd go with 5/16" from the start.
So, correct me if I'm wrong. I should make the LARGE rings with 1/32'' wire diameter and 3/16'' inner diameter, that's equals to 6 AR. The SMALL rings should be with 1/16'' wire diameter and 1/4'' inner diameter, which leads to your requested ratio of 4, right ..??
@demonibs With those dimensions the large rings will be smaller than the little ones. The idea is that the small rings need to fit easily through the large when both are closed. They also have to have an aspect ratio of between 3.5-4 in order for the weave to be viably loose enough. The easiest way to do this is to make the large rings with a 6 AR and the small rings with a 4 AR using slightly smaller wire than you used for the large rings.
great video! being overseas with the military, i dont have alot of freetime,but your videos are helpful and i can weave the patterns faster now after seeing your speed weaving video too.
@Marino45 It should hang with the scales flowing downward, although I don't think it would make a very flexible shirt. I'd stick to E4-1 if I were you.
I don't understand the question. It is more difficult to make that regular 4-1, and can be stronger considering it is basically two interwoven sheets of 4-1. It's denser that 4-1, which costs a little flexibility.
I realized why this video wound up distorted. It is actually comprised of two separate videos both editted separately and published in 1080p. When I republished the two together, once again as 1080p. lol took long enough to figure out.
you could prolly just fix the rows on which the mistake is, it can't be that big. also I don't think maille would make the best shin guage. I'd go with some plate armor instead, as it will help absorb more blunt force than maille without as much padding beneath
Do you think you could make a tutorial on how to fix your chainmail if you make a mistake and don't notice it until you've gone over it using the 4-in-1? Also, is it possible to make shin guards using chainmail?
That is sick.
emmaperreault91 1 week ago
This is actualy really easy. If your looking at a piece of it trying to figure out thats different but when its broken down in the 2nd to 3rd step you should be done and have it
navyseal890 1 week ago
I used to make dragonscale armor... Then I took an arrow to the knee.... Apparently I wasn't doing it right.... Lol jk great tutorial, about the 4th step I had to stop and figure it out though
superlols96 3 weeks ago
wats AR?
ankita9955 1 month ago
@ankita9955
Aspect Ratio
combuf 1 month ago
Thank you so much, this is the only dragonscale tutorial I could find that made sense to me.
amyfchurch 2 months ago
Last time I taught someone to do this weave, I used different color metal (copper) for the smaller rings, to help keep it visually distinct.
Just a thought.
Leonid3s 3 months ago
1 person was atacked by a knight wearing dragonscale chainmail
DarkEnergy725 4 months ago
wow, now theres a head ache for me
TheRonancarter 4 months ago
hay mate i live in nz can you convert the 1/4 and 3/8 inc into centimeters please
immpies1111 5 months ago
@immpies1111 Hi mate, you've probably worked it out by now but 1/4" is about 6.3mm (.6cm) and 3/8" is around 9.5mm (1cm).
Bigd351clevo 5 months ago
im making 9:1 :)
FUCKING HURTS!!!!!
geollnyz 6 months ago
Thanks for the great tutorial! I'm well on my way to making my own dragonscale hauberk now. I posted my process as a response, hope you approve!
x82hammer28x 9 months ago
Is dragonscale just a modern variation of european patterns or did they do that back in the days? If so, how did they rivetted the smaller rings?!
Should take a whole year to complete! : o
danbiazoto 9 months ago
Ahh! now I get it!!!! I've been trying to work from some printed instructions I found online, which left me soooo confused. Thank you so much for this - clarity reigns :)
jas25860 9 months ago
will you make a vid on scale mail?
xevildragon5 9 months ago
Love the tutorial!
InfamousDoll 9 months ago
its 8:2 chainmail not dragonscale...
RashiD1G 10 months ago
@RashiD1G No, Dragon scale is like two pieces of 4-1 woven through each other. 8-1 is just 4-1 with each ring going through twice the rings. the AR on 8-1 would be too loose for DS.
tynytian 10 months ago 2
@tynytian try 8:2 or japanese hana-gusari.
RashiD1G 10 months ago
@tynytian
8:2 is King's Mail, that's what he's referring to.
RomanovBuck 9 months ago
i love dragon scale its a beautiful weave iv only made a 5x5 inch peace and its hanging on my wall
ninjadevin92gmail 10 months ago
I am new to chainmaille stuff. Thanks for great tutorial. Your way of doing this weave is almost twice faster then the one i've found in a book.
victoriaeagle 10 months ago
how is this dragon scale? is it the style of weaving?
MrTrykster 11 months ago
@MrTrykster yeah,its the weave name. It's just what the pattern is called.
tynytian 11 months ago 2
@tynytian
killer
MrTrykster 11 months ago
On the 18 and 16 ga wire you used, is that AWG or SWG? Thanks :)
Wolf2131 11 months ago
@Wolf2131 swg
tynytian 11 months ago
im making a full dragonscale vest its a huge pain in the ass
kerielle123 1 year ago
@kerielle123 I'll bet. How are you gonna do the shoulders?
tynytian 1 year ago
@tynytian It's just wrapping around... going from the outer rings facing down on the front and the rings facing up on the back
kerielle123 1 year ago
@tynytian basicly it runs over my shoulders where the outer rings face down in the front while they face up in the back
the vid is in my channel
kerielle123 1 year ago
Thank you for this, I've been somewhat interested in making chainmaille for a while now, and your videos have made learning how a breeze. I used 14ga and 19ga galvanized steel for my rings, and used a 3/8" and 3/16" diameter respectively. Mine looks decent, not too bad for a first attempt. How did you get your rings to close so well? Mine always bend slightly at the opening, so even if the tips align the overall shape isn't flat... any help would be appreciated.
GrayHatLinux 1 year ago
@GrayHatLinux The ones I used in the video are sawcut so that the kerf looks as flush as it can. I wouldn't suggest doing this with a jeweler's saw as you will go through many blades.
tynytian 1 year ago
Not really for anything other than practice, since it is so cheap. I'd go with stainless if you want something to wear.
tynytian 1 year ago
what type of wire? aluminum, steel, or stainless?
GetReal38 1 year ago
@GetReal38 In this video I used galvanized steel.
tynytian 1 year ago
@tynytian thanks for responding quickly. is galvanized what you recomend?
GetReal38 1 year ago
are u using store bought rings???cuz i make my own rings and they dont have flat ends like yours do
inuyasha9876 1 year ago
@inuyasha9876 Nope, I made these rings myself. I used a jeweler's saw to make the ends nice and flush; it's important when making small things like jewelry that the kerf on your rings is as flush as possible, so that the piece looks like it's made from solid rings. It just makes the finished product look nicer.
tynytian 1 year ago
@inuyasha9876 get yourself a durable hobby saw, it looks like a hack saw but smaller. it should be able to cut through16-12 gauge steel wire. ive been using wirecutters for the first few bunch of rings made however they looked terrible and had ends that jutted out from wierd angles. if you use a hack saw, you will be able to cut the rings in a straight line and they will look perfectly straight and proper.
-Zenox25
Zenox25 1 year ago
@Zenox25 I use a dremel saw with a cutting wheel. It makes the cutting of rings off a spring soooo much faster. Just clamp the spring down in a vice and saw away.
tophlade 1 year ago
@inuyasha9876 i'm just starting out on my first piece, but i got tired of the ends of my rings looking pinched and nasty, so i got a Dremel and some cutting wheels. Not very expensive, but very effective.
TheSteelwynd 1 year ago
@AttilaHUNofEARTH I don't know why I wrote AR. I meant the guage of wire, also, what material would you suggest, I mean I would definitely sweat in it and it might get into contact with rain and water in various forms. I was thinking 14 guage stainless steel with an ID of 18mm, so an AR of 9 or will that be too difficult to work with? I'd like it heavy and I want an authentic experience, but without the rust... could I make the diameter smaller?
AttilaHUNofEARTH 1 year ago
@tynytian what would be the best AR for an 8-1 chainmaille which could offer me best protection (battle ready)
AttilaHUNofEARTH 1 year ago
Have you ever used neoprene(rubber) rings for any of your projects, and how stretchy are these rings. I ask because certain weaves, like this, could use neoprene rings to replace certain ones to give chainmail a stretch without affecting the look. With dragonscale, I imagine using neoprene rings for the smaller rings would still look the same, but get the chainmail some stretch capability.
Mangekyu10 1 year ago
@Mangekyu10 I've never used them before, I know others who have. They wind up looking like anodized aluminum rings when it's done. You certainly could use them in a DS weave, but I've never joined two ends of dragonscale together before (I usually use clasps). It can be done, and easily I imagine. I've seen it done for HP3-1 before.
tynytian 1 year ago
For a given area, which weave would have the most weight? I want something for resistance training and maille would be ideal. I just want the best return on my investment...
watcher314159 1 year ago
@watcher314159 The denser the weave, the heavier. That being said, you could go with dragonscale, but I'd recommend just making a dense 4-1, or maybe 6-1 or 8-1 since it would be simpler to weave than dragonscale. Also the european weaves are more flexible, so they would be more comfortable to wear.
tynytian 1 year ago
@tynytian 8 in 1 sounds perfect; thanks.
watcher314159 1 year ago
made the bracelet dragonscale but stuck on making a clasp, have any ideas?
trekranger 1 year ago
im stuck at what to do on the step at 5:02 im trying to figure out how to weave it and the angle your showing at is making it difficult
malonze10 1 year ago
have u ever made scale mail? if u didnt try it its very easy and looks cool
noroto320 1 year ago
Nice tutorial. Just what I was looking for. ^.^ And just a suggestion...no offense, but perhaps a little less chatter in the beginning? Short and simple or reference to notes in comments if you have a lot to say outside of the tut. No worries though, I blab a lot through my own tuts. :P Been trying hard not to though as I tend to fast forward through other people's yammering.
PhoenixBlackthorn 1 year ago
a fantastic tutorial!!!
runescapefire3 1 year ago
You lost me after the 3rd layer, it hard to see whats going on at that point, idea for you, color code some of the rings.
immortalkrogan 1 year ago
You lost me after the 3rd layer, it hard to see whats going on at that point, idea for you, color code some of the rings.
immortalkrogan 1 year ago
very nice man i love the pattern but it is very complicated
MrBooomHeadshot 1 year ago
These instructions are AWESOME! they're so easy to follow, I can't wait to go home and start!
TammJ 1 year ago
nah, i don't but if u go to the mailleartisans website i know they have an article on how to do it.
tynytian 1 year ago
Do you know about how to Expand and Contract with the Dragon Scale?
KytoCheeto 1 year ago
what is the best gauge for rings ?
oblivionboy1 1 year ago
@oblivionboy1 I said at 1:45. It depends on the application, though. If its for jewelry you want something smaller, so 20g rings of 3/16" and 1/8" ID. If it s for armor, you can use 16g 1/4" and 3/8". In either case the AR of the small rings is 4 while the larger rings is 6.
tynytian 1 year ago
Thanks! I was happy to just get the wire gauges and the IDs without having to figure them out. Thanks for breaking it down. I finally get it now. I love this weave, and it's escaped me for some time now. I appreciate all the work you put into this.
kjstewart77 1 year ago
what kind of saw did you use to cut your jump rings? is it handheld?
punin10ded 1 year ago
@punin10ded I used a jeweler's saw. I actually have a video over how to use one, and where to get one.
tynytian 1 year ago
I just thought I'd jump in on this thread. If you're going to be doing alot of ring cutting (which I prefer to do -- that way you can always have the size on hand that you need) you might try a Koil Kutter. It's similar to the Jump Ringer but it's less than 1/2 the price. You have to email the guy to order it. Very honest guy and fast shipping. I've had mine for about 2 years and have cut 1000's of rings with it. Google Koil Kutter & download the pdf
kjstewart77 1 year ago
What kind of saw do you use to cut the rings? is it handheld?
punin10ded 1 year ago
now that i took the time to watch the video, this makes perfect sense
psychomikeo500 1 year ago
do you make your own jump rings? If so, do you sand them or something? how do you get the edges so smooth? thanks for making this video. it's very helpful.
punin10ded 1 year ago
@punin10ded I do make my own rings, mostly. I just sawcut them to get the flush edges. If you use a machine, you need to deburr them with walnut shell media.
tynytian 1 year ago
That looks amazingly complicated. I would dearly love to spend a few quiert hours with you learning how to do it. But I'm sure I'll get the hang of it.
Cheers for the tutorials. Very helpful!
goldenscales 1 year ago
how does i make mithril chain???
neverneen 1 year ago
@neverneen The problem with mithril is that it can only be found at the top of Mt. Everest, so no large scale mining operations have ever been performed. If you want the materials you will have to get them yourself. It is surprisingly easy to work though, so just follow the regular tutorial and you'll do fine ^.^
KamilDrakari 1 year ago
Dragonscale is by far one of my favorite weaves, it's good for anything, jewellery, armor, you name it. You have some good Ar's there, I see a lot of idiots who make really loose open hanging dragonscale.
MetalCatharsis 1 year ago
make a small patch and you'll see y. It's too dense for sleeves.
tynytian 1 year ago
I don't know. DS is really better for jewelry than armor.
tynytian 1 year ago
@tynytian
why?
TamaThePeck 1 year ago
oi how do you do dragonscale armpits?
JAStaggs 1 year ago
can 1/2 inch 14 gauge rings work for the larger ones and 3/8 inch 16 gauge work for the smaller ones?
thanks!
Monkeykid5228 2 years ago
That depends on the springback of the metal. If the 14g does so more than the 16g, it should work. Since the 16g wire is 1/16", then 2(1/16)+ (3/8)= 1/2" Therefore, if the springback is minimal in the 16g, it just might work. It also fulfills the 4AR of the small rings, so it should make a nice flexible dragonscale.
tynytian 2 years ago
Unless my math is completely off like it is sometimes. If the springback isn't what I'm hoping it is, you could even go down to 5/16" small rings to compensate. I'd go with 5/16" from the start.
tynytian 2 years ago
@tynytian cool, thanks.
Monkeykid5228 2 years ago
its not so complicated. i just made it right now
pokemonkiller20 2 years ago
So, correct me if I'm wrong. I should make the LARGE rings with 1/32'' wire diameter and 3/16'' inner diameter, that's equals to 6 AR. The SMALL rings should be with 1/16'' wire diameter and 1/4'' inner diameter, which leads to your requested ratio of 4, right ..??
demonibs 2 years ago
@demonibs With those dimensions the large rings will be smaller than the little ones. The idea is that the small rings need to fit easily through the large when both are closed. They also have to have an aspect ratio of between 3.5-4 in order for the weave to be viably loose enough. The easiest way to do this is to make the large rings with a 6 AR and the small rings with a 4 AR using slightly smaller wire than you used for the large rings.
tynytian 2 years ago
that is such a clean cut
pokemonkiller20 2 years ago
great video! being overseas with the military, i dont have alot of freetime,but your videos are helpful and i can weave the patterns faster now after seeing your speed weaving video too.
thanks again!
nihongo89 2 years ago
how do you cut rings? great videos!
BOBAbladeMAR 2 years ago
i really wanna do this weave but i know id get lost grrrr
MALIFICAR 2 years ago
Now all you have to do is make a tutorial on how to knit two separate pre-made pieces together. Lol!
goldenscales 2 years ago
Looks realy nice, what direction is it supposed to hang? like 4-1 is supposed to hang:
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to make it horizontaly flexible,
this dragonscale doesnt look very flexible, can it be made into a comfortable shirt / byrnie ?
Marino45 2 years ago
@Marino45 It should hang with the scales flowing downward, although I don't think it would make a very flexible shirt. I'd stick to E4-1 if I were you.
tynytian 2 years ago
how would do i connect at the shoulder with dragonscale????
P.S. i love your mail tutorial they've help me alot
hacker583 2 years ago
Thanks for the upload
loanwolf720 2 years ago
I don't understand the question. It is more difficult to make that regular 4-1, and can be stronger considering it is basically two interwoven sheets of 4-1. It's denser that 4-1, which costs a little flexibility.
tynytian 2 years ago
thanks
someguy001001 2 years ago
so how dos this compare to normal mail anyway
someguy001001 2 years ago
that was great i like that now i am going to try that next hehehe
warpeon83 2 years ago
I think I heard somewhere before about chainmail mittens. Are they real? And if so, how do you think I could make them?
Twelveoakstavern 2 years ago
Oh sorry, I think it's actually gauntlets, not chainmail. It'd be cool if it was real though. :)
Twelveoakstavern 2 years ago
is this a modern invention? would be good for fantasy events and stuff i suppose
whowantsabighug 2 years ago
I realized why this video wound up distorted. It is actually comprised of two separate videos both editted separately and published in 1080p. When I republished the two together, once again as 1080p. lol took long enough to figure out.
tynytian 2 years ago
Nevermind, I have no idea anymore why its not uploading right. It must be youtube, cause I haven't changed my format or anything.
tynytian 2 years ago
you could prolly just fix the rows on which the mistake is, it can't be that big. also I don't think maille would make the best shin guage. I'd go with some plate armor instead, as it will help absorb more blunt force than maille without as much padding beneath
tynytian 2 years ago
Okay, thanks for the advice.
Twelveoakstavern 2 years ago
Do you think you could make a tutorial on how to fix your chainmail if you make a mistake and don't notice it until you've gone over it using the 4-in-1? Also, is it possible to make shin guards using chainmail?
Twelveoakstavern 2 years ago