@ajmolaliful independant scene. he was unabomb in smokey mountain wrestling and doomsday in USWA. he also was in WCW for a short period as bruiser mastino
Why doesn't WWE use more songs from bands instead of having Jim Johnston do everything or have new bands create songs for the superstars. Exemple, ECW used songs from Metallica, AC/DC, Pantera, Kiss, etc.
Given that they have been in the same stable (Skyscrapers) in early 90s. It's normal to see them use the same theme song from time to time, much like the DX and nWo.
This song is the modified (without lyrics) version of Scorpions' China White.
WCW had used many pop/rock song in their modified form like DDP (Nirvana's Smell Like Teen Spirits) and Sting (Metallica's Seek and Destroy). I think they modified them to avoid copyright issues.
i think this was the original skyscrapers with sid and new skyscrapers with undertaker theme both sid and taker took turns using this theme in wcw sid used again when he came back to wcw in 2000
I remember this theme from The Great American Bash 1990. His oppionient that night was the Total Package Lex Luger for the NWA United States Championship. Luger won that night probably making this Mean Mark's last match in WCW two months before his debut at the WWF/WWE Survivor Series later that year. The reason I know all of this I still have the old VHS tape of that entire event.
when I heard the first couple of notes, I thought this was going to be "your going to pay" that he used as biker taker in 2002. Except, not the real song, because WCW doesnt licenses real songs. I thought it was going to be as close to it as possible without copyright protection.
Threw me off, because as far as I know, the song I was thinking of isn't that old.
@don417 Maybe if you read the description you would have known that I said he used this in NWA and WCW under the name 'Mean Mark Callous', not Undertaker. But since people know Taker by that name more, I named this as a theme Undertaker has used, just under a different ring name, which I pointed out in the description.
@TheEaglesfan01 mad props to you for not going off on this guy. Maturity doesn't come easy to most. Respect. And thanks for the song by the way it's actually pretty cool.
this is unrelated to this topic and ive been a fan of wrestling for 26 years now, since i was 3. with youtube coming to Xbox 360, and this being a free user created video site. alot of stuff on here is copyrighted, i love the themes and old wrestling, im wondering if anyone knows if Youtube on Xbox will be just like this, where we can watch all the vidoes we can online? I sure hope it doesnt do some web only crap on anything copyrighted, i want to watch old wrestling on youtube from my xbox.
I liked undertaker when he was Mean mark callous. Never cared for him when he became undertaker. I give it to him for getting over so well. Just don't care for the gimmick.
@smokestorm88 It's my opinion. Don't have to be a mark for him because others love him. People hate hogan is that any more wrong or right? Nope. Just a opinion.
Undertaker made the right move best Charactors WWE ever made during the first PG era HBK and The Deadman. While Hogan was Cena what WWE should do is have Cena take over Nexus against CM Punk. Have him restart it with the most popular NXT members Daniel Bryan, Wade Barret and Alex Riley. Have the other Nexus members join in slowly over the next few months then around Hell in the cell have CM Punk and Cena fighting while the Nexus jumps Punk have Mason Ryan return to save Punk that would be Epic!
R truth is Great with this lil Jimmy thing they should follow up much better tho. Mark Henry should get a title run. Big show is a great talent. John Morrison can go the way he performed against J.hardy in 06 and CM punk in 07 it must be backstage propoganda holding him back cuz hes proving himself to us for years. theres many more talents but WWE has no one to blame but themselves instead of firing talents they should look in the mirror. They have to be creative during PG times.
WWE has a lot of talent and has many talents that could make huge comebacks. CM punk is their biggest star right now then its Cena/Orton. Christian, MIz, and Rey mistro are huge too they have a connection with the peeps. Cody Rhodes is one of my favs. Sin cara shows Promise Just hopes he don't fallout with the backstage politics. Shamus is good as well as Wade Barrett they should fight at SummerSlam. Thats a great event for Heels to fight Heels.
decent wrestler? He couldn't execute a move without hurting people. Remember A-train and Hardcore Holly? Lesnar's a disgrace as a wrestler. He's just a big man with generic big man moves. The reason he had all those squash matches at the start of his WWE career is cuz he can't wrestle worth a damn. To call him decent is being generous.
@AAAnderson002 now that i think about it, yeah ur right. but as far as i remember hardcore holly sand-bagged him once, was there another mishap, i really can't remember maybe i missed it.
if hardcore holly sandbagged him he deserved it. hardcore holly was always tough on the noobs and considering how many noobs continue to get pushed too quickly as main eventers like del rio and sheamus and consider what a huge ego Lesnar had in both WWE and UFC can you really blame Hardcore Holly for his attitude towards him?
@AAAnderson002 absolutely not, the guy was probably the best jobber in the biz & desrvd alotta respect. but its unprofessional to purposely screw up on live TV, if you have any differences you settle it in the back.
As for brock, he's a prick I agree, pushed too early, but he would've been a champion at some point and that was a time when wwe realized that they hadn't invested in youth. Its the same with the new guys coz HBK, Undertaker, HHH, Jericho, Batista and now Edge are out of action.
Whether Lesnar would've been made champ at some point or doesn't matter anymore cuz WWE took the needless risk and it cost them big and they've been paying for it ever since. They can make all the excuses for pushing Brock all they want but the bottom line is they didn't need to push him as fast as they did but they did push him and seeing how their ratings and PPV buys never recovered from that mistake history already made its judgment on their actions. Same thing goes for UFC.
@AAAnderson002 I apologize, u obviously knw a lot more about the WWE than I do & u have an extreme hatred 4 Brock Lesnar. I'm not a fan of the guy, but I'd be lying if I didnt admit that I was entertained by a few of his matches.
Anyway guy, lets end this redundant banter, by saying that u HATE Lesnar, and I don't like him but enjoyed some of his matches. I don't know enough about the WWE to know that he was actually hurting his opponents. Either send a finishing comment or don't reply at all.
It's like this. Because of his fast push, a lot of deserving talent had to put their careers on hold because of him and it's not right. You say you were entertained by his matches. I don't give a damn about his matches cuz that overpushed overrated scumbag should've been fired a long time ago.
He was a prick in WWE and he's a prick in UFC. I mean seriously. He didn't win any fights yet and he tells Dana white he only wants to fight the best? Since when he does he have the right to devalue and belittle other fighters when he hasn't even won a fight yet?
And then when he does win one fight, they give him a title shot just like that? What happened to UFC being about competition? Since when is it considered competition when you don't have to do much to get a title shot?
And you're right I do hate lesnar because he's the epitome of immorality and injustice in the world of sports and entertainment. he's got a lot to answer for and until he does get his comeuppance UFC and WWE are rape victims.that are in need of damage control.
@AAAnderson002 hope your done with your Punk-like rant about a guy that you brought up in the 1st place. I feel sorry for you that you have so much hatred for ONE guy. I didn't even defend him, all I said is that he was a decent wrestler, which is not really a compliment for an all-american. The fact that he is one, justifies my assessment (which is almost a criticism), his being constantly pushed was not my idea either. The fact that it was the Rock who backed him & put him over makes me sad.
Don't feel sorry for me. I'm not one of the victims who had to sit there and allow that overpushed scumbag to steal food out of their children's mouths nor was I the naive owner of WWE who was taken to court because Lesnar didn't agree with a piece of paper he signed in good faith.
As for The Rock backing Lesnar and putting him over, The Rock had to leave and do another movie so I doubt it was his choice to drop the belt to Lesnar. The Rock isn't known for making creative decisions so really the one to blame for that would be Vince or Heyman since he suggested Vince push him that hard.
Oh and thank you for calling it a Punk-like rant. I take it as a compliment because I quite enjoyed watching Punk let loose on the mic. Maybe if they did that with the other talent instead of having them read from a script business would be booming.
Sorry if I came off as too impulsive but Lesnar really pissed me off when he was in WWE and now what they did with him they're doing with other noobs in the company. I just can't stand noobs getting free rides to championships. I just have no tolerance for it.
@AAAnderson002 i agree with you, when Ted DiBiase Sr., Rowdy Roddy Piper, Ricky The Dragon Steamboat , and many others, more than paid their dues, and didn't get pushed for the Title, why should these noobs, as you call them, get a title within months of debuting. But you fail to realize is that most wrestlers these go through the grind of the Indies or WWE developmental wrestling and then get pushed. Like I said, these pushes come at a time when all of a sudden big names quit or retire.
except they already have seasoned midcarders to push so there's no reason to take a rookie and make him World champion overnight whether it be lesnar, sheamus, or del rio.
@AAAnderson002 they've already started pushing seasoned mid-carders like Christian & frankly speaking, its slim pickins in the WWE. there's not much talent sans the big guns who just up n left. it'll be good if The Rock comes back with a strong in-ring performance and its quite certain that punk isn't leaving. I grew up watching the Attitude Era, so the bar was set pretty high for me, but I still like watching wrestling and can only hope that there's a turnaround soon.
@AAAnderson002 u hav 2 agree that if HBK, HHH, Jericho, The Undertaker and even Batista for that matter were still in the business, guys like Miz, Sheamus, Del Rio and even Jack Swagger (who is a top technical wrestler but has no mic skills) wud hav had 2 wait a long time 2 even get a title shot & may even have been permanent members of the mid-card. I think R-Truth has paid his dues, and his recent work was gud. He shud truly be next in line. Plus being african-american adds a refreshing twist.
Agreed R-truth and any other midcarder who's not named del rio or sheamus should be next in line to be pushed as main eventers. Like i said it's not so desperate a time that they need to jumpstart noobs into main event positions.
And if it does become desperate then why not just end the brand extension? If their talent pool is too shallow for two brands then why not just have one show or have all the superstars on both shows? At least they're giving Christian the boost cuz that's been a long time coming.
@AAAnderson002 I'll throw a few names at you tell me if you agree. Some of these guys are still young but have also been around for sometime and should get a push of some sort soon. John Morrison, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase, Chris Masters (who should be repackaged back to his pre-substance abuse "Masterpiece" avatar) and Mark Henry (who may get a world title push after the Orton-Christian Saga is over). These guys have never won the Title and some of them haven't even had a run for the title.
@AAAnderson002 The one brand strategy may not work they've got too many young superstars, coz of NXT and the fact that WWE is NOW in investing in youth, who will need a lot of time to develop but have the potential to be Champions someday. Wade Barret is one guy who I see as a major heel someday. But like you said no more early unwarranted pushes. Anyway Dude, it was nice chatting once you sobered down about the whole Lesnar thing. I'm up for a civil debate anytime.
@AAAnderson002 I can see that your passionate about wrestling and in particular the WWE, which indicates that you too grew up during the Attitude Era. I kinda lost hope in the WWE around 2005 but this Punk thing has reeled me back in. Catch you later dude.
@LSSJBardock That's the EXACT same thing they said about: Steve Austin, Triple H, Scott Hall (At first in the 80's) and ESPECIALLY, Cactus Jack, Mankind, Dude Love, MIck Foley.
@LitaWWF Yes, but he'd already gained huge popularity by then, so it was easier to transfer. His WCW gimmick was basically a Snitsky or Chuck Palumbo from what little footage i saw
that's right undertaker is a PAUL HEYMAN GUY!
rickboy03 2 days ago 4
This is not rare. You can buy Scorpions' "Blackout" album anywhere.
TBirdSCIL 4 days ago
ah and wcw called him mean mark haha
thepointyone100 5 days ago
hahahahahaha, i remember this as a very young kid
dphill96 5 days ago
hey, Undertaker was also a Paul Heyman guy..
cOlLyWoG316 1 week ago 7
and to think that his manager came to manage his 2003 rival brock lesnar
JakaxBone3672 1 week ago
This is the NWA Skyscraper TagTeam (Sid Vicious & Danngeroud Dan Spivey ) entrance theme from 1989.
LVSWTZ 1 week ago
where was kane when undertaker was in wcw?
ajmolaliful 1 week ago
@ajmolaliful independant scene. he was unabomb in smokey mountain wrestling and doomsday in USWA. he also was in WCW for a short period as bruiser mastino
halfbaht 1 week ago
is tht paul heyman??!!
TerraRyzing14 2 weeks ago
@TerraRyzing14 yes...undertaker was also a paul heyman guy
cowardguyable 1 week ago
Why doesn't WWE use more songs from bands instead of having Jim Johnston do everything or have new bands create songs for the superstars. Exemple, ECW used songs from Metallica, AC/DC, Pantera, Kiss, etc.
SamTeFourreLol 3 weeks ago
@SamTeFourreLol
I'd say it's to save money. The royalties you would have to pay for using the music of big names acts on a regular basis would be huge.
GrinningSceptic 2 weeks ago
@GrinningSceptic That's what i was thinking too, but it's not like WWE doesn't have the budget for it.
SamTeFourreLol 2 weeks ago
this theme is an older version of sid's theme from WCW in 2000
MajinVegeta171 3 weeks ago
@MajinVegeta171
Given that they have been in the same stable (Skyscrapers) in early 90s. It's normal to see them use the same theme song from time to time, much like the DX and nWo.
This song is the modified (without lyrics) version of Scorpions' China White.
WCW had used many pop/rock song in their modified form like DDP (Nirvana's Smell Like Teen Spirits) and Sting (Metallica's Seek and Destroy). I think they modified them to avoid copyright issues.
cwfqayin 2 weeks ago
@MajinVegeta171 true
12lesterman 2 weeks ago
OMG!!!!!! THAT is paul heyman!! lol
serdlak 3 weeks ago
@serdlak LMAO I said the same thing lol
TBomb02 3 weeks ago
Y'a pas de son moi :( There is no sound for me :(
WFV83 3 weeks ago
This theme puts me in mind of Sabu
Keith474747 3 weeks ago
sound a bit like sabu bully ray sid vicous wcw theme and even takers your gonna pay theme in a way. @showman803
Showman245 4 weeks ago
That drum beat at the beginning reminds me of Bully Ray's current theme.
LTSsLither 1 month ago
OMG taker is a fucking ginger!
ku62jo62 1 month ago
@ku62jo62 Did you start watching WWE like, 2 months ago or something? Idiot.
JerichoSucks94 10 hours ago
bully rays theme is a rip off of sabus tna theme
and what scorpins tune is this
conquor82 1 month ago
this was the skyscrapers theme too
RegaLPleX08 1 month ago
god! look at how young heyman was in this picture!
DaddyBigNutz01 1 month ago
0:00 0:05 DONG DEAD MAN WALKING
tonyford27 1 month ago 3
Lol that's what I thought. It sounds like Sabu's theme and Bully Ray's theme in TNA.
rbattles52 1 month ago
Sabu!
PopTatari106 1 month ago 3
@PopTatari106 Lol that's what I thought. It sounds like Sabu's theme and Bully Ray's theme in TNA.
rbattles52 1 month ago
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@PopTatari106 Lol that's what I thought. It sounds like Sabu's theme and Bully Ray's theme in TNA.
rbattles52 1 month ago
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@PopTatari106 Lol that's what I thought. It sounds like Sabu's theme and Bully Ray's theme in TNA.
rbattles52 1 month ago
the beginin gsounds like the last "american badass" theme he used.
syllvor 1 month ago
great song by the scorpions :)
UnionMetalhead 1 month ago
Queen? 1;20
1snub 1 month ago
Is this where Jim Johnston sampeled "You're Gonna Pay" from???
Jelly420ful 1 month ago
Sid!!!
TRUE0UTLAW 1 month ago
i fort it was sabu at the start!!!
daz14s 1 month ago
almost sounds like sabu's theme
Ronaldrr27 1 month ago 25
@Ronaldrr27 And Bully Rays theme, AND Sid Vicious' theme when he had his last WCW run.
tbwise826 2 weeks ago
@tbwise826
Sid used a remixed version of China White in his last WCW run
CraigJericho 2 weeks ago
@CraigJericho Sids FIRST theme was related to that.
tbwise826 2 weeks ago
To me sounds like his theme around 02-03
Turppa21 1 month ago
that's not "paul heyman" it's "Paul E Dangerously"
GothicGhostBat 1 month ago 2
@GothicGhostBat Same guy doofus!!!!
romeokid69 1 month ago
@GothicGhostBat
They are the same person.
stacyorth 1 month ago
OMG PAUL HEYMAN????? LOLOLOLOL
crazychris1123 1 month ago
He only used this when he was with the Skyscrapers...he had a different theme in singles.
JMFabiano 2 months ago
I don't know about you guys,but does this theme sound quite similar to Sabu?.
SonyByPirModerator 2 months ago 2
@SonyByPirModerator sounds kinda like bully rays themme to me (onle a little bit tho)
JarodDub 2 months ago
@SonyByPirModerator
Scorpions - "China White"
And so it began...
Skyscrapers
Sid Vicious
Sabu
Bully Ray
(maybe more?)
SolidMike84 1 month ago 10
@SolidMike84 i should probley start paying more attention to impact.i dident know bully ray was useing a version of this song
mikebourkefan1 1 week ago
he would actually dropkick people in these days. picture the lord of darkness dropkicking bred hart
187NewJack 2 months ago
now thats rare
LegendUndertaker14 2 months ago
i think this was the original skyscrapers with sid and new skyscrapers with undertaker theme both sid and taker took turns using this theme in wcw sid used again when he came back to wcw in 2000
masterbenis 2 months ago
The dead man walking!!
MyNephewIsTough 2 months ago
paul e dangerously!!!!!!!!!!!!
stbreal 2 months ago
In WCW, his wrestler name was Mark Callous. His real life name is Mark Callaway.
Spaz2708 2 months ago
your gonna pay song?
mortalkombatfan96 2 months ago
Kind of reminds me of his Big Evil theme.
BzErOsIx 2 months ago
Sounds like Sabu's theme?
GTpanik 3 months ago 3
Making his way to the ring standing 6' 10 and weighting in at 325lbs MEEEEEEAAAANNN MAAAARRRK
Warren27isme 3 months ago
watch?v=MtyTzo8IrbU
steamboatGriffin 3 months ago
this theme was remade and used we he returned "deadman walking"
steamboatGriffin 3 months ago
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whats the name of the song?
XUsername26X 3 months ago
its the scorpions!!
caz62 3 months ago
I love the Undertaker!!!!
Ariana041591 3 months ago
I remember this theme from The Great American Bash 1990. His oppionient that night was the Total Package Lex Luger for the NWA United States Championship. Luger won that night probably making this Mean Mark's last match in WCW two months before his debut at the WWF/WWE Survivor Series later that year. The reason I know all of this I still have the old VHS tape of that entire event.
tedsterify 3 months ago
And from Death Valley... He weighs in at 328 pounds, stands 6 ft 10 inches tall... The Lord of Darkness... Mean Mark Callous!?!?! lolololol
SuperSonicHot 3 months ago
NWA is a 90s rap group starring easy e and ice cube
MACEX1000 4 months ago
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monstertrucks98 4 months ago
hey paul heyman
MACEX1000 4 months ago
its so boaring theme now
TheAnimalover173 4 months ago
when I heard the first couple of notes, I thought this was going to be "your going to pay" that he used as biker taker in 2002. Except, not the real song, because WCW doesnt licenses real songs. I thought it was going to be as close to it as possible without copyright protection.
Threw me off, because as far as I know, the song I was thinking of isn't that old.
Then it turned out to be different.
Lostmymind1 4 months ago
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He wasn't the undertaker in the NWA, dumbass.
don417 4 months ago
@don417 Maybe if you read the description you would have known that I said he used this in NWA and WCW under the name 'Mean Mark Callous', not Undertaker. But since people know Taker by that name more, I named this as a theme Undertaker has used, just under a different ring name, which I pointed out in the description.
TheEaglesfan01 4 months ago 65
@TheEaglesfan01 i think i have heard of NWA before
WolfPack978 3 months ago
@TheEaglesfan01 Yeah it would make more sense that way than saying MARK CALLAWAY'S THEME SONG FROM WCW!! People would go, Huhh? You did good kid.
LordKalbert 3 months ago 2
@TheEaglesfan01 how come some people same his name is mark callus and some people say his name is mark callaway!
rainxxxx 2 months ago
@TheEaglesfan01 mad props to you for not going off on this guy. Maturity doesn't come easy to most. Respect. And thanks for the song by the way it's actually pretty cool.
Nordfelt 2 months ago
@don417 yeah he is your father.
khairowensullivan 3 months ago
@don417 You got pwned. Bitch ass.
ThenextBatista 3 months ago
@don417 Descritions must mean nothing to you.
TheAmbitiousFish 2 months ago
The platform for Sids theme in 1999-2000 in WCW
shawnvillain 4 months ago
underbaker!
bocajrthug106 4 months ago
undertaker is the paul heyman guy!!!
kart0100 4 months ago 38
@kart0100 undertaker is a paul heyman guy jajajajaja
rickboy03 4 months ago
@kart0100 I swear I saw this exact same comment on another video, that I just watched from another taker video.
MeetByTheRiver 3 weeks ago
O' Dole Rules!!!
MrMakaboo 5 months ago
this is unrelated to this topic and ive been a fan of wrestling for 26 years now, since i was 3. with youtube coming to Xbox 360, and this being a free user created video site. alot of stuff on here is copyrighted, i love the themes and old wrestling, im wondering if anyone knows if Youtube on Xbox will be just like this, where we can watch all the vidoes we can online? I sure hope it doesnt do some web only crap on anything copyrighted, i want to watch old wrestling on youtube from my xbox.
TombstoneInc 5 months ago
Sid Vicious
heartbreakkiddmitriy 5 months ago
this is bully rays theme now
susansusan951 4 months ago
they totally just redid this theme and gave it to sid 10 years later
1EPowerUp 5 months ago
gingers dont have SOULS!!!
chubbylilloser85 5 months ago
Danzig - She Rides
IntoTheVoid96 5 months ago
Klaus Meine still rules!
foodiedave 5 months ago
Bubba Ray Duddley
TheItachi139 5 months ago
undertaker,was call" MEAN MARK",in wcw/nwa here.
ls1man1 6 months ago
who else thought at the start with the beat you thought you were going to hear "dead man walking" :s
jenniferlam90 6 months ago
@jenniferlam90 me too : D
FlowMephisto 5 months ago
damn i just realized that undertaker is a red head
shiroroy 6 months ago
The beginge reminded me of one of his american badass/big evil themes
mbolin686 6 months ago
Paul Heyman had hair?
SumGuy87 6 months ago
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PeeboTyson 5 months ago
Respond to this video... It was Mullet City for Heyman in the 80's/early 90's.
PeeboTyson 5 months ago
@PeeboTyson lol.
SumGuy87 5 months ago
Harry Slash & The Slasher stones sampled this to make "Haku Blues" for Sabu
(Points Up) *throws chair at random victim*
iNNeViTable1 6 months ago
look like paul haymen
lilHippo 6 months ago
he was in WCW???
1989ECW 6 months ago
@1989ECW Yeah that is where he started. He was known as Mean Mark Callous. He used the heart punch as his finisher.
jfearless1 6 months ago
@jfearless1 hey thanx for the answer :)
1989ECW 6 months ago
so stupid
ksteve451 7 months ago
"China White:" is another name for illigal grug of abuse, Heroin.
Buckeyecat2002 7 months ago
I liked undertaker when he was Mean mark callous. Never cared for him when he became undertaker. I give it to him for getting over so well. Just don't care for the gimmick.
lastwolflord 7 months ago
@lastwolflord lol whatever
smokestorm88 7 months ago
@smokestorm88 It's my opinion. Don't have to be a mark for him because others love him. People hate hogan is that any more wrong or right? Nope. Just a opinion.
lastwolflord 7 months ago
Undertaker made the right move best Charactors WWE ever made during the first PG era HBK and The Deadman. While Hogan was Cena what WWE should do is have Cena take over Nexus against CM Punk. Have him restart it with the most popular NXT members Daniel Bryan, Wade Barret and Alex Riley. Have the other Nexus members join in slowly over the next few months then around Hell in the cell have CM Punk and Cena fighting while the Nexus jumps Punk have Mason Ryan return to save Punk that would be Epic!
Powers2407 7 months ago
R truth is Great with this lil Jimmy thing they should follow up much better tho. Mark Henry should get a title run. Big show is a great talent. John Morrison can go the way he performed against J.hardy in 06 and CM punk in 07 it must be backstage propoganda holding him back cuz hes proving himself to us for years. theres many more talents but WWE has no one to blame but themselves instead of firing talents they should look in the mirror. They have to be creative during PG times.
Powers2407 7 months ago
WWE has a lot of talent and has many talents that could make huge comebacks. CM punk is their biggest star right now then its Cena/Orton. Christian, MIz, and Rey mistro are huge too they have a connection with the peeps. Cody Rhodes is one of my favs. Sin cara shows Promise Just hopes he don't fallout with the backstage politics. Shamus is good as well as Wade Barrett they should fight at SummerSlam. Thats a great event for Heels to fight Heels.
Powers2407 7 months ago
@LSSJBardock if he stayed with WCW he might not have so when he was able to go to WWF he got his opportunity and was allowed to flourish
MrZkr123 7 months ago
@hambalony
no more stupid than your unimportant questions are you asswipe.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@hambalony
why don't you STFU?
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
Is that Paul Heyman?
kart0100 7 months ago
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BoobaSmalls16 7 months ago
@kart0100 yes...but he wasnts known as heyman yet.
BoobaSmalls16 7 months ago
CM Punk: You know who else is a Paul Heyman guy, The Undertaker.
donnoble17 7 months ago 2
@donnoble17
CM Punk: You know who else are Paul Heyman guys? Real wrestling fans.
FireFightWrestling 7 months ago
@FireFightWrestling true dat.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
yeah but the difference between Taker and Lesnar is Lesnar sucked.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 he was a decent wrestler, but everything else from his attitude to his mic skills sucked. he's an arrogant prick i'll give you that.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
decent wrestler? He couldn't execute a move without hurting people. Remember A-train and Hardcore Holly? Lesnar's a disgrace as a wrestler. He's just a big man with generic big man moves. The reason he had all those squash matches at the start of his WWE career is cuz he can't wrestle worth a damn. To call him decent is being generous.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 now that i think about it, yeah ur right. but as far as i remember hardcore holly sand-bagged him once, was there another mishap, i really can't remember maybe i missed it.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
if hardcore holly sandbagged him he deserved it. hardcore holly was always tough on the noobs and considering how many noobs continue to get pushed too quickly as main eventers like del rio and sheamus and consider what a huge ego Lesnar had in both WWE and UFC can you really blame Hardcore Holly for his attitude towards him?
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 absolutely not, the guy was probably the best jobber in the biz & desrvd alotta respect. but its unprofessional to purposely screw up on live TV, if you have any differences you settle it in the back.
As for brock, he's a prick I agree, pushed too early, but he would've been a champion at some point and that was a time when wwe realized that they hadn't invested in youth. Its the same with the new guys coz HBK, Undertaker, HHH, Jericho, Batista and now Edge are out of action.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
Whether Lesnar would've been made champ at some point or doesn't matter anymore cuz WWE took the needless risk and it cost them big and they've been paying for it ever since. They can make all the excuses for pushing Brock all they want but the bottom line is they didn't need to push him as fast as they did but they did push him and seeing how their ratings and PPV buys never recovered from that mistake history already made its judgment on their actions. Same thing goes for UFC.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 I apologize, u obviously knw a lot more about the WWE than I do & u have an extreme hatred 4 Brock Lesnar. I'm not a fan of the guy, but I'd be lying if I didnt admit that I was entertained by a few of his matches.
Anyway guy, lets end this redundant banter, by saying that u HATE Lesnar, and I don't like him but enjoyed some of his matches. I don't know enough about the WWE to know that he was actually hurting his opponents. Either send a finishing comment or don't reply at all.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
@donnoble17
It's like this. Because of his fast push, a lot of deserving talent had to put their careers on hold because of him and it's not right. You say you were entertained by his matches. I don't give a damn about his matches cuz that overpushed overrated scumbag should've been fired a long time ago.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@donnoble17
He was a prick in WWE and he's a prick in UFC. I mean seriously. He didn't win any fights yet and he tells Dana white he only wants to fight the best? Since when he does he have the right to devalue and belittle other fighters when he hasn't even won a fight yet?
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@donnoble17
And then when he does win one fight, they give him a title shot just like that? What happened to UFC being about competition? Since when is it considered competition when you don't have to do much to get a title shot?
And you're right I do hate lesnar because he's the epitome of immorality and injustice in the world of sports and entertainment. he's got a lot to answer for and until he does get his comeuppance UFC and WWE are rape victims.that are in need of damage control.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@donnoble17
As for Holly sandbagging Lesnar, it's wasn't professional for Lesnar to handle it the way he did either so really both are at fault.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 and 1 more thing, i just checked out my previous post and I never mentioned Lesnar, you must have replied to my comment by mistake.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
No it was no mistake because in CM Punk's promo he did refer to lesnar as a Paul Heyman guy and I just couldn't resist.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 hope your done with your Punk-like rant about a guy that you brought up in the 1st place. I feel sorry for you that you have so much hatred for ONE guy. I didn't even defend him, all I said is that he was a decent wrestler, which is not really a compliment for an all-american. The fact that he is one, justifies my assessment (which is almost a criticism), his being constantly pushed was not my idea either. The fact that it was the Rock who backed him & put him over makes me sad.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
Don't feel sorry for me. I'm not one of the victims who had to sit there and allow that overpushed scumbag to steal food out of their children's mouths nor was I the naive owner of WWE who was taken to court because Lesnar didn't agree with a piece of paper he signed in good faith.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@donnoble17
As for The Rock backing Lesnar and putting him over, The Rock had to leave and do another movie so I doubt it was his choice to drop the belt to Lesnar. The Rock isn't known for making creative decisions so really the one to blame for that would be Vince or Heyman since he suggested Vince push him that hard.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@donnoble17
Oh and thank you for calling it a Punk-like rant. I take it as a compliment because I quite enjoyed watching Punk let loose on the mic. Maybe if they did that with the other talent instead of having them read from a script business would be booming.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@donnoble17
Sorry if I came off as too impulsive but Lesnar really pissed me off when he was in WWE and now what they did with him they're doing with other noobs in the company. I just can't stand noobs getting free rides to championships. I just have no tolerance for it.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 i agree with you, when Ted DiBiase Sr., Rowdy Roddy Piper, Ricky The Dragon Steamboat , and many others, more than paid their dues, and didn't get pushed for the Title, why should these noobs, as you call them, get a title within months of debuting. But you fail to realize is that most wrestlers these go through the grind of the Indies or WWE developmental wrestling and then get pushed. Like I said, these pushes come at a time when all of a sudden big names quit or retire.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
except they already have seasoned midcarders to push so there's no reason to take a rookie and make him World champion overnight whether it be lesnar, sheamus, or del rio.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 they've already started pushing seasoned mid-carders like Christian & frankly speaking, its slim pickins in the WWE. there's not much talent sans the big guns who just up n left. it'll be good if The Rock comes back with a strong in-ring performance and its quite certain that punk isn't leaving. I grew up watching the Attitude Era, so the bar was set pretty high for me, but I still like watching wrestling and can only hope that there's a turnaround soon.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
As long as they don't continue making instant world champions the turnaround could happen sooner than you think.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 u hav 2 agree that if HBK, HHH, Jericho, The Undertaker and even Batista for that matter were still in the business, guys like Miz, Sheamus, Del Rio and even Jack Swagger (who is a top technical wrestler but has no mic skills) wud hav had 2 wait a long time 2 even get a title shot & may even have been permanent members of the mid-card. I think R-Truth has paid his dues, and his recent work was gud. He shud truly be next in line. Plus being african-american adds a refreshing twist.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@donnoble17
Agreed R-truth and any other midcarder who's not named del rio or sheamus should be next in line to be pushed as main eventers. Like i said it's not so desperate a time that they need to jumpstart noobs into main event positions.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@donnoble17
And if it does become desperate then why not just end the brand extension? If their talent pool is too shallow for two brands then why not just have one show or have all the superstars on both shows? At least they're giving Christian the boost cuz that's been a long time coming.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 I'll throw a few names at you tell me if you agree. Some of these guys are still young but have also been around for sometime and should get a push of some sort soon. John Morrison, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase, Chris Masters (who should be repackaged back to his pre-substance abuse "Masterpiece" avatar) and Mark Henry (who may get a world title push after the Orton-Christian Saga is over). These guys have never won the Title and some of them haven't even had a run for the title.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 The one brand strategy may not work they've got too many young superstars, coz of NXT and the fact that WWE is NOW in investing in youth, who will need a lot of time to develop but have the potential to be Champions someday. Wade Barret is one guy who I see as a major heel someday. But like you said no more early unwarranted pushes. Anyway Dude, it was nice chatting once you sobered down about the whole Lesnar thing. I'm up for a civil debate anytime.
donnoble17 7 months ago
@AAAnderson002 I can see that your passionate about wrestling and in particular the WWE, which indicates that you too grew up during the Attitude Era. I kinda lost hope in the WWE around 2005 but this Punk thing has reeled me back in. Catch you later dude.
donnoble17 7 months ago
Undertaker was a Paul heyman guy
RagedContinuum 8 months ago 3
@seththeshotgun I'm still waiting for the ressurection of the American Badass.
FireFightWrestling 8 months ago
@FireFightWrestling
you mean the character that Brock Lesnar unjustly buried? No thank you. Dead Man Forever.
AAAnderson002 7 months ago
@LSSJBardock That's the EXACT same thing they said about: Steve Austin, Triple H, Scott Hall (At first in the 80's) and ESPECIALLY, Cactus Jack, Mankind, Dude Love, MIck Foley.
FireFightWrestling 8 months ago
@LSSJBardock Shows you what a good gimmick can do for you! He wouldn't get anywhere as "Mean" Mark Callous definitely
mae2759 8 months ago
@mae2759 he basically was mean mark from 2000-2003 and he was still awesome back then.
LitaWWF 7 months ago
@LitaWWF Yes, but he'd already gained huge popularity by then, so it was easier to transfer. His WCW gimmick was basically a Snitsky or Chuck Palumbo from what little footage i saw
mae2759 7 months ago
@LSSJBardock Same thing they said about batista.
DavidOAnal 8 months ago
@LSSJBardock Never really heard that was said about Mark Calloway. Stone Cold, maybe, but not the Undertaker. But as usual way to make up shit.
sanddune 8 months ago
@sanddune 'Taker said so himself that's what WCW told him on the "This Is My Yard" dvd so he's not making it up.
Gravezombiedigger 8 months ago
@LSSJBardock WCW said the exact same thing about Steve Austin to bet they feel like even bigger jackasses for that
thethunderbird87 8 months ago
Paul Heyman!
iPlayboyX 8 months ago 22