鴻勝館 蔡李佛 對 詠春 wingchun vs choy lee fut light sparring

[hoangphihong21991]

ông Thái Lý Phật đánh như cứt ý.

[ichibanniko]

@hoangphihong21991 sorry I don't understand vietnamese

[Shuukyou]

@ichibanniko hes saying the teacher sucks

[Shuukyou]

@Shuukyou the CLF guy

[mdder2]

surely

two garbage are fighting ~~

[ichibanniko]

@mdder2 You talk big for someone with no videos uploaded of himself. Surely these 2 "garbage" would have your face on the ground in 2 seconds.

[mdder2]

@ichibanniko

hey hey u are kidding

[Shuukyou]

@mdder2 torched your ass bitch

[ST1Doppelganger]

I agree My comment might be a bit incomplete yes JKD has allot of influence from fencing the straight lead is a prime example but it's also in allot of shaolin based systems as well especially when you are talking about their sword play. The footwork also has allot of boxing and influence as well. But you can't say he didn't take concepts and movements from both WC and Shaolin (CLF) Based systems.

[ST1Doppelganger]

Sorry about the typo on your name. The styles I think most martial artist should consider cross referencing are any style of legit Shaolin, CLF, WC, Bagua, Tai Chi, Sing Hi, Hung Gar, Hapkido, Hwrang Do, and compliment it with Judo BJJ or some grappling art but of course choose one style as your core style

[ST1Doppelganger]

@ Ochbanniko sounds like you know a bit about kungfu thumbs up on that there's alot of great MA systems out there some of the most elusive people I've played around with are the hard core Bagua Chuan and Tai Chi advandced students also two of the styles that I steal concepts from and learned allot from dabbling with. People are way to caught up on thinking they study the best system cause there's many respectable styles out there.

[ST1Doppelganger]

I hate how YouTube cuts long comments off. As I was saying CLF has the capability of producing one hit KOs. When you look at Bruce Lees Jeet Kun Do it's a combination of WC & CLF strikes footwork and concepts. He even talked about how CLF gave the Him and his WC brothers the most challenge in the roof top tournaments.

[ichibanniko]

@ST1Doppelganger Yes its true. Bruce Lee had a lot of respect for CLF.

[FoneArc]

@ST1Doppelganger You are seriously misinformed. The foundation of Jeet Kune Do is western boxing and fencing footwork. But don't take it from me - go to the Bruce Lee foundation's website and read it for yourself.

[ST1Doppelganger]

I disagree with Yeons statement of in the advanced levels WC always has the advantage over CLF. Ive studied both styles from respectable lineages and have to say both are respectable styles and it all depends on the practitioner and the ability of him to understand the concepts and structure of the style he studies. In my opinion WC is good for in close fighting and off balancing with the chain punch flurries but CLF has some of the strongest strikes out of the two of them with the capability o

[ichibanniko]

@ST1Doppelganger i have the same opinion as well

[lukqun89]

蔡李佛用腳?跳?

[ichibanniko]

@lukqun89 of course, but this was to practice how to use chap choy.

[lazaga777]

Awesome school! Awesome practitioners! Awesome styles!

I'd like to mix Choy Lee Fut's footwork with Wing Chun strikes. 

[ichibanniko]

@lazaga777 thank you for the kind words!

[Scythehalotrial]

hey where is this schoo?

[ichibanniko]

@Scythehalotrial This is in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

[Scythehalotrial]

@ichibanniko Oh thanks. I'd thought I hears someone talking dutch so i was curious

[tonyny2]

兩個跟本不在同一水平上.打詠春的一直守中線,盡量做到三尖相照­;反觀打蔡李佛的,只急進攻,重右輕左.

[diuneigohai]

兩個七咕碌想打死人咩?!

[OkinawaT]

Aqui no hay ningún Wing Chun vs Choy Li Fut.  Sólo dos novatos jugando

[ichibanniko]

@choyleefutkid1 winnipeg, manitoba, canada.

[chanheurng]

Sparing with glasses on? Are you retarted?

[ichibanniko]

@chanheurng I don't believe he had contacts?

[SSCrew28]

found it to be good choy li fut my style of fighting and comes from the core to create a relax power like a ball at the end of a chain both seem really stiff

Si Hing Smith

Zai Martial Arts Acadamy

[ichibanniko]

@SSCrew28 Thanks for the comment. No heavy techniques such as sau choys etc were allowed - therefore the "ball and chain" analogy could not really be shown properly in this match as it was only chap choys.

[00Ghz]

both suck,

[30toninho]

The look too mechanical.True Martial Arts is formless.

[ichibanniko]

@30toninho Formlessness comes naturally once form has been perfected.

[choylifatfacundo]

el peleador de choy lee fut no me paresio tan de choy. No hizo ningun golpe circular. Ademas parese que hizo kung fu recreativo, que solo practico base y no entrenamiento combativo.

[pigboykool]

choy lee fut is a good art, but seems like the choy lee fut guy in the video is not well trained in defense games and his step/movement is not smooth when face an opponent's direct attack. More sparring from different type of martial arts would help to improve on it.

[ichibanniko]

@pigboykool Yes, more practice always helps. And you are right about his defense, I have corrected him on that point as well.

[yeon723]

As for as style vs style here, as you can see from this somewhat low level spar, I would confidently proclaim that Wing Chun has more of an advantage because of it's close range, whereas choy lay fut relies on wider distances

[ichibanniko]

@yeon723 I wouldn't call it "low" level - seems insulting, but if you meant that they don't have much sparring experience yet then you are correct. WC, CLF, style does not necessarily provide the advantage (in sparring or anything else), that is up to the practitioner.

[yeon723]

@ichibanniko My original statement still stands in that even at the higher levels of WC vs CLF, WC will always have the advantage in terms of style vs style. You're right in that it depends on the practitioner but I was going more along the lines of even skill and style vs style.

[lostlohan]

@yeon723 At my parent school we train both styles and often sparr with each other. They are both equal in different ways. Wing Chun practicioners have a hard time with quality "clearing techniques" while CLF has a hard time with turning on a pole and chain punches. Having seen high level practitioners on both sides... it really is the practitioner not the style that is better. Sorry that you can't see the forest for the trees.

[ichibanniko]

@lostlohan Well said, thank you. At least this shows not everyone on youtube is ignorant :)

[yeon723]

@ichibanniko Like I said, I was strictly talking about style vs style, not the fighter. I wouldn't really call it ignorance on my part, I'd say you just misread my original comment. Are you the same person as subzero?

[ichibanniko]

@yeon723 Sorry I didn't necessarily mean you, I'm sure you know there's a lot of ignorant little "internet kung fu masters" on here :)

[yeon723]

@ichibanniko haha, I know what you mean. Do you train in Vancouver?

[ichibanniko]

@yeon723 Nope, I am in Winnipeg right now.

[yeon723]

@ichibanniko Sure, but I dont think his site works anymore?

[lostlohan]

@ichibanniko Keep training them hard, if you want some Chap Choi drills to try let me know.... I have a couple that work well against the center line. Though for a good time, you need mouth guards, head gear, gloves and Sau chois. LOL

[yeon723]

@lostlohan So in your opinion, who wins more of the WC vs CLF spars? strictly style vs style here

[yeon723]

@lostlohan So in your opinion, who wins more of the WC vs CLF spars? strictly style vs style here

[lostlohan]

@yeon723 I can only tell you which of my brothers win most. But how do you judge? Instead of looking at an outdated concept such as which is the better system.... Why not look for better training partners? Spar with mma guys, Thai guys, kung fu guys etc. If you love WC that much, make your branch the best it can be al a Gong Sau Wong. But arguing style on you tube... It like the forums... Have a good one! Good luck with your studies and hope you go far.

[yeon723]

@lostlohan Well, you just said it yourself, if you can tell which one of your brothers can win the most than I'm sure you can tell which style tends to have a better percentage but then that would go against what I was stating earlier because I wasn't comparing the practitioners but the styles itself. It just so happens your school teaches both so you developed a bond with both.

[HadesAngel999]

Even though it's just light sparring, the CLF guy seemed a little too concerned about hurting his partner. That mindset always gets in the way of performance during sparring. Perhaps you should glove up and wear mouthguards, and try to get over that mental barrier, even if it is just light sparring. And don't forget...combos combos combos. Follow up...don't just stop after one move.

[ichibanniko]

@HadesAngel999 Thanks for the comment. They were practicing for a point sparring tournament thus stopping after landing a point. But you are right if training for a full contact fight.

[LOLittleHero]

the wing chun isnt the best here. but then again its just light sparring. thanks for the vid. very interesting

[ichibanniko]

@LOLittleHero He has only been training WC for a year or so in this vid. Anyways, WC would naturally not look too good in a controlled sparring environment as it is supposed to be designed for real street fighting and self defense - plenty of dirty and ugly but effective moves that cannot be done in a light spar.

[siulum88]

@ichibanniko Below you wrote "Learning a few different styles would give you more chance to be good in a fight." You dont necessarily have to practice/train in a lot of styles to be good at fighting. It all depends on what your sifu emphasizes in your school: mostly forms, few techniques, or heavy sparring. CLF is a very well rounded style to study. southern hands/northern kicks, short/med/long range techniques, linear/circular. But you should learn about other styles-strengths & weaknesses.

[ichibanniko]

@siulum88 Yes, it's true that CLF is very well rounded and it depends on how you train and what you concentrate on. However, according to my own fighting experiences it's good to learn a bit of other things as well. In the end, it all depends on your own personal body conditioning and how hard you train yourself as an individual. No style is better than the other, when it comes down to a real fight - the better trained / conditioned individual will come out on top.

[siulum88]

@ichibanniko Yes, I agree with you. No style is better than another. It does come down to the individual's abilities, skills, conditioning, etc. And of course you cannot learn about other styles by word of mouth. But you can work the techniques you know and learn to find what works against various attacks of different styles. So someone wont need to go so far as to get a black belt in Karate to learn how to use CLF or WC to counter someone using karate.

[ichibanniko]

@siulum88 Haha, yes definately don't need to get a black belt in karate just to counter it! Learning the basics of a style should be good enough :)

[ichibanniko]

@siulum88 Also, you can't just learn about other styles strengths and weaknesses by word of mouth, you should try out those styles and learn at least their basics for you to be able to do that. I know different people might have different opinions than mine, but these are all things i've found for myself from my own experiences.

[siulum88]

That's always fun to train with other styles. Good job guys. Against WC, a CLF fighter should use more attacks that go around the WC guard, like the sau choy, cup choy, and dat choy. And against CLF, the WC fighter should counter and/or advance in quickly before the CLF fighter can execute a circular strike.

[ichibanniko]

@siulum88 thanks for the comment, good insight.

[LAHrebirth]

i could be wrong but isn't the guy in black leaving his right defensive/offensive arm too far out and and straight? a chinese wingchun practitioner on youtube showed the arm must not be too low or too high. Plus leaving your arm so far out like that lets it easily grabbed and twisted

[ichibanniko]

@LAHrebirth Yes you're right it is a little too far out and straight. They were both a little nervous and tense since it was their first time to try sparring WC vs CLF. They've corrected it now.

[nomamao]

It's like neither one of them want anything to do with timing, distancing or head movement. Bad choice, fellas. It explains why so many shots to the face happen there.

[ichibanniko]

@CLFDevil I've also taken some wc and muay Thai in the past. Well still doing muay Thai even now actually. I find it very useful to be able to combine different styles or use diff styles for diff situations in a real fight, that's speaking from experience - it works. So i think it's a good idea that u will be taking some wc with ur sihing, good luck wi th ur training bro!

[ichibanniko]

@CLFDevil good to learn other styles so u know how to beat them down with CLF lol jk. sticking to only one style means you will master it and its theories etc. Be damn good at doing it's forms and techniques. But won't necessarily be good in a fight; still depends on the person but less chance. Learning a few different styles would give you more chance to be good in a fight. So depends if the person is doing martial arts for the "art" of it or for the "martial" of it if u know wot I mean :)

[ichibanniko]

@CLFDevil Yes he has, but this sparring match is not using heavy techniques cos it's too hard to control and somebody gonna get hurt real bad. Lol wc and clf = fire and water :)

[LAHrebirth]

@ichibanniko if a person can get hurt wouldn't that be the point of learning martial arts? if you can't avoid/parry/block/sidestep or counter, moves during sparring what chance do you have when someone is going full force at you and trying to stab you in real life?

can't you guys get in body armour like bruce lee and train full contact?

[ichibanniko]

@LAHrebirth It's just a friendly light sparring match for them to learn to use their different techniques against their different styles. It was the first time for them to try something like that. Our training for real life / full contact situations is of course different than this. We do have full contact training - training in body armor and without is completely different, also fighting out on the streets is a whole different ball game. Thanks for your comment.

[LAHrebirth]

oh btw i'm pretty sure when chinese 'bei lai' they don't bow like japanese, and don't bow without looking at your opponent or you can get kicked in the head.

(realistically no one kicks you in the head in a genuine sparring match, but it trains your attitude to real fighting and not be so sloppy)

[ichibanniko]

@LAHrebirth Chinese or Japanese it doesn't matter. We bow to show respect. But you're correct about the not looking at your opponent part. I tell them to look when they bow, however like I said, they were just nervous during the match. Thanks for pointing that out.

[ichibanniko]

@CLFDevil Experience is pretty much equal, the wc guy started maybe a month or two before the clf guy.

[piaten]

@CLFDevil It's good that you observe and see options, that's a good way of learning! My analysis was based on what actually took place, not what could have happened. That's not to diss CLF in any way, just observing the relative skills possessed by the gentlemen in this particular video. I would like to add, that with skill and all else being equal, the more aggressive player will almost always win in a street fight.

[TheArtofBoxing]

Hey!! I did this same experiment...with a alot fiercer WC friend of mine....big white man 6,2' about 210lbs.

I used chuyhn choi in deep horse ,at a distance and reverted to western boxing,hooks and uppercuts when he closed in.

I ruled him, and changed his mind about Wing Chun....

I'd just like to say...stance is evrything!! power,postioning,evasion...ple­ase practice your stances people.

[M121686449]

蔡李佛是北腿.大架 詠春是南拳.小架

這2是傻子麼?



[ichibanniko]

@M121686449 thanks for the comment, but you don't know what you're talking about so keep it to yourself next time. peace.

[ichibanniko]

@M121686449 Maybe if you think you are so good, you should post a video and show me how it's done, but I checked your channel and you don't have anything posted.

[piaten]

Decent WC! The CLF guy didn't look too experienced though. Lesson to be learned from this: Standing square in front of your opponent and letting him do his thing to you, is NOT the way to handle a VC guy! You need to disrupt his game somehow.

[papertiger7]

The Wing Chun guy is open to chin na techniques since his hand and fingers are overextended, if this was a hardcore fight. lol All in all good sparring. The guys in the vid should put on some gear next time, that would be pretty cool to watch.

[ichibanniko]

@papertiger7 Yup true, with gear they can have a full contact spar. I'll be sure to put up the vid if we end up having that match :)

[raymondfong92]

shouldve used more sow choys man cmon

[ichibanniko]

@raymondfong92 its difficult to "spar lightly" w/o sparring gear and using heavy techniques, so it was handicapped. also that day the training was focused on chap choy :)

[TongYunJai]

wow the wing chun guy was good. the trapping transitioning into the 'yut jee chung choy' at 0:16 was very good. n the 'pak dah' at 0:22 countering the chop choy was very well timed. loved it!

[ichibanniko]

@TongYunJai yea those ones were pretty well executed :)

[clffreak]

kwa sou him! ;)

[ichibanniko]

@clffreak haha, that wouldn't be 'light' sparring anymore lol so we said we wouldn't use clf's heavy techniques