MPD DID THE MOM SERIES~SYBIL IN HER OWN WORDS~ DR PATRICK SURACI

[lmollot]

YES- UNFORTUNATELY THERES A LOT OF therapists who go into counselling to abuse patients-control-not all are "silence of lambs" but too many are like the male therapist in vancouver who workd only with victims of incest-he sex assaulted them all-courts got political backup to declare "not enuf proof"by calling the victims "unreliable witnesses"-thats why its the religious who inventd professionals (those who "profess" the faith)-so they cd contain& abuse "the disobedient"-esp women/children(naive

[lmollot]

sorry im so insistent-have hope that we can ensure safety of future mothers/children-why go first thru the abuse of" the couple" & fathers rights to abuse during visits-before were allowed to divorce and leave?why not teach children that most women/children reality is marital rape(sadist mothers) by men?isnt that teaching the truth? the 30%"nice men" do not care enuf to go stop the abusive men-everyone just watches-twin peaks caused by no matriarchy-religious say"children need dads"=so we suffer

[lmollot]

MY PERSONAL and my daughters experience has been to trust, loveand serve the men,brothers,etc around me- and because of this we got severely abused-and we still teach our daughters to trust& when abuse happens everyone around blames victims in hundreds of ways-we cannot have a matriarchy group which protects women/her children for life-& at the same time have women in couples who are economically isolated from each other-has trusting men given us ORchild what we need?when our reality denied= DID

[lmollot]

in this culture girls are programmed since 2yrs old with walt disney movies to "couple-up"w prince charming & leave her home-Grandmothers/aunts r isolated into couples

&dont prevent abuses-mothers hardly exist legally-widows/women whose men are off at war 5yrs at a time seem to be freer of suicide,battering/rape/murder-­their children too-so if a person says "you/your child need men "then that person must be held responsible when the woman/her children get tortured,murdered,raped,suicid­e,pimped4$

[lmollot]

THNx for yr reply-actually book " iroquois women-anthology" is written by native women-i read from it on my utube-b/c of grandmothers clans,noone including MOTHERS-can abuse child much/or for long-b/c all children hav many mothers-live together in longhouse which belong to grandmothers group-responsibility 4 child isnt on mothers alone-not much burden/blame on mothers(or on one daycare worker or sitter)-daughters security=her group-all children R legitimate b/c belong to mothers group-no orphans

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot Many Mothers is a awesome concept. growing up I had my Step Mom, My Mom and Grandmas most in my life, never did I feel 1 or the other better or 1 more Motherly they all contributed to my life in some way at some time to keep me safe.The Longhouse Many Mothers sounds lovely as long as daughters get socialization with men too so they do not grow up fearing or thinking them a enemy.Many eyes are better raising children, takes a Vilage I wanna read the book Iroquois Women now:)

[lmollot]

hope u have time for "mad dogs" by james grady-very funny -ex-cia psych patients with D.I.D -and how their memories break thru thru the book-and how despite been "mental patients they are superior in intelligence/street smarts etc than "normal " pple-helps to portray did people with equal respect and explain the reasons&traumas) behind the did-"admiration" for surviving these unspeakable (truly) traumas- thankx for all-keep on

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot Im looking forward to" mad dogs" to owning it I began reading it as a Library loan er, a page turner and then it was due and on hold for other customer, so will re order I need some funny.

I'm catching up on your channel, ya got some excellent Natural healing advice there,I like alot getting past Holidays then hope to catch up more Thank YOU!Peace to ya!

[lmollot]

exploiting victims/survivors or women/children in general-may be repeat of the abuse-for example-use of camera/recorder-esp at begin of therapy-patients feel cant object b/c risk antagoniz therapist-tricky-a famed therapist said"i no longer use video/or recording on my patients-these people have been exploited enuf already in their lives"(from his "the greenbaum speech" (i think)-i feel sorry for the new patients who are so Fragile b/c just starting to trust another being & allow& share memories

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot Agreed there are Drs who push clients for there own curiosity and money as well, some of confronting past abuse , was thought to desensitize people from it thus removing trig gar and panic responses,It works for some to be reintroduced to it, others need behavioral tools , The Dr and client should figure that out and agree..sharing always involves trust, if its not there , its not gonna happen. I am glad you did what felt safe for you Peace to ya!

[lmollot]

thanx 4 yr reply-yes trudi new alters came out after mens group(& more pain,etc-i feel theres so much recruiting of "patients"by lots professionals-therapists,fundi­ng masters students etc ive had 2 decline kindly 2 many(they showed anger/not take no for answer-b/c having been victim of incest etc im not in "sane enuf" state of mind to know whats best for me)-problem is,many professional$,support/studies group$-permited themselves 2 act like im inferior to them &Their needs-thnx 4 yr peer support

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot Yeah I had forgotten about Elvira's reaction to the male group, and I read the book like 3 times if not 4., there is so much in that book to take in constantly its amazing it got written.Yes Elvira and others did feel pushed I dont think they were fragmented as some say.I think they were well defined , developed and knew how to stay safe. being vulnerable or a survivor does not make a person inferior that needs to change sorry that happened to you! Peace To ya Happy Holidays

[lmollot]

women in the family are not given any group power or legal- to protect children-during or after abuses- law forces children to visit their offenders thru father/grandfathers rights-"proof" of abuses is rarely "enuff" for judges/juries-solutions might becom our focus-such as matriarchy clans(mohawk women)-who owned longhouses/farm collectives they lived in-daughters never left their strong clan-hope is my therapy-book "iroquois women-anthology" gave me hope 4 future children-b/c kidporn sales up

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot Your book sounds lovely! I know you have worked hard and long on it and wish you well. Will be goos to see the many wise natural sources for women for healing:) I agree Matriarch wisdom of Grandmothers , Mothers passed on to daughters is usually nurturing,my feeling is its best to have many options for sometimes the Mother is the abuser and the male very needed, takes a village.Long houses devoted to strong women and empowerment sounds awesome:) Peace to ya

[lmollot]

hi thnx for yr insight-my point is is guess -i wd not want to re-traumatize myself by contact w any offender-it is a constant irritant to me/other victims-its a threat just knowing my/others sex assaulters R making hundreds of child victims each& many hv silenced/outlived victims-why should victims are made to once again sacrifice themselves 4 offenders needs(reform)-isnt that what were trying to get away from-from my experience w family offenders(even police)they sexualize victims during visits

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot Oh of course makes sense to not trigger and re-traumatize and btw I went back re -read about Trudie and Elvira's feelings after the' T 'Stanley talked Trudie into going to the male offenders group a lil push, yes, there were strong emotions that came up, he felt helpful them ready and some felt not I don;t know to to advance his career(since it did not much) but I think at the time he hoped to teach many thru the Troops N Trudie, agreed nobody should be forced to confront :)

[lmollot]

are we focused on healing victim or psychopaths-the best pple to help offenders may be other ex-offenders lifelong groups(sex addict anonymous)victims cant do this-we dont know how much NEW stress a victim has room for &when b4 giving up on life(only we can get gut feeling 4 this)"be gentle with yourself-hope others will be gentle w you too-including our professional "helpers(rabbit i value b/c shows how mind works 2 protect self-(will read the book u suggest "her own words")keep telling truth

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot I am focused on both personal belief, just me , not all Mosaics here, is, as late Shirley Mason and late Trudie Chase and Troops and advocate Chrs Coster Siezmore..we have to begin with fixing foundations in families and the breakdowns and cracks and cycles of abuse.Yes help victim but then what? The involvement of others with awareness, a neighbor hood family is imperative and I do understand your concern to balance that I hope you will enjoy the book. I think you will :)

[lmollot]

-- victims inner self-preservation mechanism-im saying in both sybil & rabbit the victims were not respectedby therapists-as anaccepting friend/or old grandma would have-truddi herself explained how this contact w mens group was followed by intense pain &new compartments,etc-she survived but others may not-this adds one more trauma-disrespect is key to abuse-and victims dont need more of it-the traditional "provoking" the patient can have fatal effects-tho rarely reported by docs so not in stats

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot I see, yes Trudie's previous T's did not get what she was up against, not at all ! Many do not but I think Dr Wilbur with Shirley did. In many ways Dr Wibur became the healthy Mother and beloved Grandma and friend to Shirley, she needed. I don't think the male therapists ever understood Trudie and Troops goals in the pursuit of abuse groups mostly male groups and why that was traumatizing. Yes respect for safety and boundaries is key in all relationships.I Peace N Blessings:)

[lmollot]

hi-thanx for reply-it s assumed by some that if criminals see/hear the pain they cause then they will stop- but if they are sadists (i think they are) then this show of pain will further feed/trigger/gratify their habit- police in west van wrote good booklet on preventing child sex assaults-their experience with the prison "reparative justice" programs are "this gives offenders access to theur victims"-certainly when trudy objected-or if child objects to contact w offenders-its self-preservation

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot Hi thanx for explaining to me.I remembered how u would give examples of your own Sisters and bios and yourself an all in past videos so was not sure but oh yeah agreeing some are sadists so would not care and it would further in fact excite them.I do know Trudie an Troops also spoke to Parents though who were in the stages of CPS early investigations too to prevent abuse .I think only some would be eligible for reparative programs and still with monitoring I would hope!:)

[lmollot]

MERCI BEAUCOUP- i found rabbit howls helps me to realize how mind screens/ reweaves leaks etc- but it seems her doctor-ex-priest/minister does make comments on her- plus as ususual he pushes/criticizes her on certain things-eg exploits her by insisting she meet w the mens groupsdespite her inner small voice)-result=the re-compartmentalization of this new trauma-she cd have died from this-his justification was 2 get the daughters to seek therapy w him-(self-ish$)-& abusedetails=trigger assaulters

[awesomeastrid]

@lmollot Hi good to see you. When Rabbit Howls was a life savior here.Helped us understand how layered the brain is and how nothing is ever gone, not really. Agreed! hmm I thought the Troops Dr was pretty good allowing the Troops to teach him and Trudie too are we still speaking of WRH or another book? Trudie & Troops went to Prisons an spoke to Pedophiles to be sure they saw results of abuse.. Trudie and the Troops had 1 daughter. Are you speaking of your n your family n Dr? :)

[ZenAmbient]

You look sparkly! Your jewellery's twinkling like tree lights :) This was a brilliant video So informative. Like the point you brought out about how to some it is a disorder and for others simply a way of life and not a disorder at all and how the media tend to portray it in a very extreme manner, sensationalized. Interesting too how people sometimes attempt to disprove MPD/DID. My take on that would be why would so many unrelated people worldwide invent the same "condition" - and how? :)

[awesomeastrid]

@ZenAmbient Thank you was dizzy yeah glowing there ha ha oh lordy I spiked a high fever that night..and again last night so ICk got me some antibiotics today Yay, but I kept flushing while making that video, lol..I'm glad you liked video the book .I swear you can hear Vicki, Peggy Lou and Sid and its quite amazing, cauze you can hear Sally Field speaking as each of them mannerisms and all Though Shirley Claims they went away..I dunno about that..The paintings-( conti).

[awesomeastrid]

@ZenAmbient ( conti part2) Yeah I dunno, she def had a form of Integration but they are all there.I think she just stopped dissociating and having amnesia but all the quirks each had and talents, strengths and convictions were still all IN Shirley. I wish D Nathan had waited for all of the info, seems her view is tainted by one case she reported on! I should of kept it YES a attempt she made, cause it did not hold.She missed all the cultures, its a big world") Exactly ^^ to above:)

[ZenAmbient]

@awesomeastrid Wow. I am sorry you were sick. Any better now? We hope so very much. You looked wonderful, we would never have guessed you were unwell. Why is it people always seem to get sick at festive season? Maybe the stress doesn't help. I agree with what you say about D Nathan, it is a tainted view. Much love :)

[awesomeastrid]

@ZenAmbient thax 4 taking me on Vacay Holiday with ur vids Great vids.oh yeah.I went to Dr's in AM got 2 diff antibiotics plus antivirals like 5 Rx's icky.. I know I always look really glowing and healthy when I feel the grossest its the fever it gives me color:) HA! better now after staying warm, meds resting now hope noticeable improved by tomorrow cauz I got plans.I was over doing for weeks too much and got run down. Dr said ears sinus parafluenza so b4 Holiday rest up,(hugs)

[unitybicycle]

thank you for this video

[awesomeastrid]

@unitybicycle Thank you very much for dropping in watching and comment! have a awesome day.

[sidian3]

Two things: 1. I love your videos because they are so well researched, you give a lot of great information. 2. the whole Debbie Nathan thing, what it seemed to me is that she already had a conclusion in her mind and she only sought information to prove her point. She didn't go at it fully as a researcher or scientist to find an answer, she wanted to disprove MPD/DID and she found segments to back up her ideas. That's just my opinion.

[awesomeastrid]

@sidian3 Thank you very much! I try hard not to give too much away or spoil so this means a lot number 1 and 2 I agree there is a bias so deep from D Nathans previous work she could not see the material in front of her objectively possibly the agenda is clear there and for me because of the tabloid feel is less believable Peace to ya always and thanx for stopping in:) You will love the book I hope!

[LadyJzTalkZone]

I'll try to get the download as soon as I can...you have a great holiday also. and thanks always for staying out here doing this. some day I'll return to the screen perhaps

[awesomeastrid]

@LadyJzTalkZone Hi LadyJz You will not be disappointed! It is a wonderful download and once I finished reading I definitely knew I want the paintings in binding , hard book in my hands Your very welcome and I always look forward to seeing you with so many others out here, all experiences count. making the difference. Have a beautiful Holiday see you in Cyber land Peace to ya!