YouTube is taking down all of the abortion videos that show pictures of *legally and safely* murdered children.
They say they remove them because they are “ shocking and disgusting”
Abortion, according to the criminals who run our country, is a safe, legal procedure, no different than having your appendix out. No moral issue, just a lump of meaningless flesh.
What is shocking and disgusting to me is that YouTube has the audacity to censor the truth about abortion.
If abortion were just a matter of some deranged female crawling into the bathroom after a night of irresponsible sex to take RU486, no one would ever be the wiser.
But NO … these irresponsible, murderous pigs, have to carry the child for 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 months and then have an abortionist stab the child in the head with a pair of scissors as the baby is being dragged out of the uterus legs first.
“Zip It Up” or take responsibility; you murderous, deadbeat pigs.
Personalities don't magically appear the moment you're born or shortly after. And yes they can think. I've seen a video of an abortion via ultrasound, that child fought to get away from the doctor that was trying to kill him. You can even see him scream as the doctor finally got a hold of him. Can't think? Have no personalities? Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
actually it's a choice your taking having sex i'm so totally against it and why do that if your not gonna be responsible enough right of course it's their choice but first of all think of what your doing to that human bean but it's is messed up no to take a irresponsibility for your own actions
Sadly, this is a common daily experience typically they are drowned in formaldehyde if still living. If you were raped, or told there were medical reasons you couldn't carry-then why wait until 2nd it 3rd trimester? If you don't want a baby-don't have unprotected sex. Period.
WHO THE FUCK WOULD ABORT A INICENT BABY ndd yes its a baby not anything else god wtf did it ever do to u its ur damn fault for opening ur legs i swear it wrong it pethetic ndd a pices of trash u know u mom gave u life so y the fuck would u take one that littel killing a five year old man if ur mom new what u did trust me i think she would secound guess on u to! Man if u ever had an abortion u r pethetic worthless ndd u better pray for ur life that u get in to heavn cuz hunny there anit no chanc
PART 3: AND DO YOU HONESTLY WANT TO KNOW THE SICKEST THING OF ALL???!! You’ll probably say those homeless people need to get a job, those Casey Anthony’s need to be arrested because the social workers/ and law officers need to work harder, & the Medicare industry is making to much so lets occupy a hospital!!!! OH WAIT, THIS IS MY FAVORITE PRO-LIFE RESPONSE, “this is Obamas fault!! He screwed us all!!” I hope this made your brains work a little bit harder then they do:)
@dreamergirl01621 You're assuming quite a lot about pro-lifers. We are only against abortion because we believe what is being killed is a baby and just as much human as you and me. Yes, the woman matters, but we think a baby's life comes before the feelings of someone else. There's nothing heartless about it. You're the one who doesn't care if an innocent baby is murdered because the mother doesn't want it.
@MusicofBroadway Hahaha your not understanding me. I don’t think ALL pro-lifers have the wrong ideas. Ive talked to some very intelligent pro-lifers with amazing ideas. I just think most pro-lifers are just 2 dementional. They don’t think about the effects of what they want. Idk how im assuming things about pro-lifers when you just said “You're the one who doesn't care if an innocent baby is murdered”. You don’t know me, so how do you know I don’t care?
@dreamergirl01621 Well, I've been reading your messages and you are giving the impression that you don't care if the baby dies as long as it's what the mother would want. And, begging your pardon, but I did understand you. You are saying most pro-lifers are 2 dimensional, but unless you know most pro-lifers, you can't say that. It's the same idea that you mentioned when you asked how I knew you didn't care. We do think about the effects.
@MusicofBroadway If you asked me, I would probably never get an abortion. Unless serious medical reasons. But I have no right forcing someone to have a child they don’t want. Its just my opinion. Everyone’s allowed to have one.
@dreamergirl01621 And I respect your opinion, even though I disagree with it. Forcing a woman to give birth after she gets pregnant is not that terrible. We have laws against murder and sometimes, when a person kills another person, they are put on death row and no one seems to have a problem with that. It's sad that the only people murder laws don't apply to are defenseless babies growing in their mothers' womb, which should be a safe place for them.
@MusicofBroadway I think it’s a misunderstanding. I should have said most pro-lifers I’ve talked to, Not most in the world. But ive talked to a lot! Both in life and online ,and what I see is people not thinking about the future and more about what they want. did you really say no one has a problem with death row?? Really, come on! That’s another hot debatable issues
@MusicofBroadway And I do care about abortion. But I think sometimes it for the better. I don’t want a child to grow up tortured and abused because the parent was forced to have them. That is a terrible life for someone!
PART 2:Think about what happens if it’s illegal. You’ll have twice as many abusive parents, more people in poverty, more deaths from underground abortions, more miscarriages from stress, riots, people out of jobs, higher taxes to take care of the Medicare cost, people getting held against their will until they have their baby, more people homeless and on the streets begging for money, and a growing population and nowhere to put people!
PART 1:Want to know what the problem is with all u “pro-lifers”. You don’t give a shit about the effects of what you’re asking. Its honestly like a kid in a toy store! You want the toy but you don’t realize that if your mother gets you that 300$ toy, she wouldn’t be able to put food on the table so you can eat! All you want is that toy!
@karina11890 they have to be calm, if they weren't then it would just cause caos if the woman answering the phone started bein emetionally and being freaked out
I have a problem with America not wanting to torture terrorists because its “wrong” when they blow up and kill millions of people, but we are willing to torture women who did nothing wrong but make a choice to want an abortion, and were willing to keep them captive and force them to have kids. Is that ironic to anyone else???
@KevinMerck Wow I will fight for the no sex debate more than the abortion debate. Why is sex wrong?Why Is are culture led to believe sex is wrong!SEX IS NOT WRONG!Why cant I have sex and not want to get pregnant!?Just because the Catholic Church wants no one to have sex,why should I have to follow that!?its obvious that you an male asshole, who cant get laid so your mad at the world! Grow the f up!Just cause you don’t want to have sex,doesn’t give you the right to make other people not have sex!
I am beyond offended by this statement!!!and I think any smart females WOULD also be offended by this. Why just females?? Why not males to?? This is such a sexist statement I cant even believe it!!! So let me get this strait?? A female, who doesn’t want to get married but wants to have sex is classified as A DEADBEAT!! You are beyond a male sexist pig! You should be ashamed to be you!
@KevinMerck I bet you also think rape victims wanted it. You don’t know me how can you call me a skank? Im not calling you a man whore? For all I know you could be a 40 year old virgin
@4ingP & Freewillover - PLEASE DO NOT EVER MULTIPLY!!! you both are imbecile idiots! Neither one of you have an ounce of "human" intelligence - please save your ignorance for the mental institutions. Hopefully, you both will be sharing rooms one day!
@plunkdink and what do you mean people like me people that think you shouldn't go around killing other people, because although things are going good for me right now they haven't always being full of sugar and spice i have had my bad times too trying to figure out where i was going to live or feed myself (my kids could always eat with family) but i wouldn't kill them because i couldn't afford to take care of them but people like you think that is what you should do so which sounds better hhmmmm
@plunkdink i never put people down i may not agree with what your particular beliefs but i don't put anyone down and i agree that the world is over populated but that is because people don't want to use protection i am 38 and have 4 children 1 adopted and 3 biological and i have had sex more than 3 times i choose to use birth control that's why i don't have tons of children teach the kids to use protection and there won't be unwanted children.
i'm not a fan of abortion but women have the right to choose.however, i think at this stage of development, abortions should be ruled out.it's an actual being at this point.if it was still a fetus i think that would be different.also, i'd feel awful as the almost aborted child growing up knowing that my mom tried to get rid of me.kinda depressing.
Alritey people, i'm going to be unorthodox on the subject of abortion. I'm not pro-life. And I'm not pro-choice [simply because many use the argument that unborn children aren't human, and that the mother is more important than the child]. Anything with a heartbeat is living, and a fetus is a living thing born from a human. So what is it? Human. And no life is more important than another, no matter how big or small, smart or not, old or young, and so on. You can use "well, this person is more im
portant than this person because of this reason" for ANYTHING. But, it is the choice of the woman people. And I'm a firm believer in that. not for personal or social issues, but for the fact you can't tell someone what to do with their body, unless their harming themselves. You cannot tell a woman she has to bear a child for 9 MONTHS and then give it up for adoption to avoid killing a living thing. Some people have to make that decision for themselves. But last 3 months should be open for debate
Even if I went against my beliefs and said a fetus is a baby at conception, I would still leave it up to the mother!! You cant have it both ways, abortion, or forcing birth is ALWAYS going to hurt someone. Its either the baby or the mother if abortion is illegal, or legal. BUT if its illegal you run the risk of both the mother AND THE BABY getting hurt from psychological torture to both of them. Its better for everyone if you leave it up to the woman carrying it
@dreamergirl01621 And like I’ve said there doesn’t have to be that way for the mother or her baby. She can give the child up into adoption etc... Many many more people are willing to adopt babys and children than they are teenagers. So give them a CHANCE at life... don’t end it before its even begun....
@KarasuKoromaru Im not talking about being an “outsider” in a foster family, every teenager feels that in a family. Im talking about the ones who get beat, abused, and experience sexual abuse in foster care/adoption. And one person getting a sucsesful foster parent is nothing compared to the majority who face abuse
the docters who do abortions should put in jail, or lose all of their money. i dont blame the people who are the doctors i blame the parents of the children. like i said before dont have sex if you dont want a baby but for the dushbags who rape innosent people ya'll are dushes go **** yourselves. the wemon who are whores because they want exitement in there lives and they want to be easy dont ****ing do it! for the wemon who are strippers because they need money its okay but dont have abortions
further more, MORE women should choose to TERMINATE their pregnancies, rather than pretend like its ok to bring children into a life without any way of providing medical, financial and emotional care to.. Its wrong, there are too many kids who are starving right now here in the US, and dont have coats for winter because theyre parents just dont care.. Mothers who make the choice to put themselves first, instead of bringing an unwanted child into the world are doing the right thing.
@StardustMaeField They might be un wanted by her... but they still might be wanted by someone out there...You're condoning the murder of an innocent being just because the biological parents might not want it? Thats what adoption is for! and Maybe the foster/adoption things got a bad rep but personally I know many many people who were placed with amazing homes and went from abuse and hatred to a loving caring family... Including myself.
The Mother clearly did not want a LIVING BREATHING child that was physically in front of her to die. She made the choice to terminate her pregnancy, she did not consent to being forcibly induced into giving birth to a live baby, and then allowing it to die in a toilet. That is not an abortion.. That is not what any woman signs up for..
And the mom doesnt have 2 say anything 2 the baby he died and the abortion part is wrong but wat is worse is they want him dumped in the toilet to die
Why, why, why did she wait so long to get an abortion?! I think women should have the right to choose because having a baby is affecting their body and their lives, but you should know when you first find out that your pregnant if you want the pregnancy or not. Late term abortions are NOT okay in my book. There is always adoption at that point.
Abortion is Murder no matter what term it is. All terms of abortion should be discontinued. @Bluelavah Wow. That man is a survivor. Coathanger Abortions are the most dangerous abortions.
This infuriated me. The babies gonna be fucking dead by the time you get there. Just send 911 and figure out the bullshit later. Dont transfer her 4 times. ldiots.
my father met a man who was born after a failed abortion this man had cuts on his arms from the failed abortion it was the old style coathanger kind ...
'I'm 100% atheist, but I'm against abortions: women have a choice way before she got pregnant : plz do not feed me w "rape" victims thing, its always Plan B- same as go after deadbeat dads- you knew who you laid with, and yes mothers on welfare with bunch of kids from different fathers are leaches! if a**hole fool you once- shame on you, if you fooled twice-its mean you dont know when to stop, and dont know how to close your legs and try to trap a man with it..No excuses- pregnancy preventable
I don't believe in abortion. This video shows this baby wanted to live and the abortion was NOT meant to be. I would rather see a baby given up for adoption, rather than be aborted. Many prospective parents are out there looking to adopt. My mother wanted me to abort my 3rd, (I was in effect, a single mom, at 34). I refused! He is now a prospective father of his 1st, (at 23 yo). I am so proud I didn't listen to my mother!
@musicofbroadway i was a rape victim who enxed up vetting pregnant. but i didnt abort the damn thing. i gave it up fornadoption. to abort a baby is just wrong, rekigious or not. there are people all over america, and the world, looking to adopt a baby. abortion should be used for those who will Die because of the fetus. period.
jhenyadancing you are pro Choice and you agree this baby has a choice. - a choice to live. So why did this baby not have a choice when its body was hanging out, but the head was still in the uterus? or a few minutes before when it was still inside the womb? or a week ago? or a month ago? or in the first trimester? it is a life at all times....
Omg! I am pro choice but this is insane! That baby CHOSE to come out alive and deserves to have its choice honored. What primitive, vicious, monsters at this clinic. Imagine how scared the girl is to begin with then she has to have this happen on top of it.
All you people whom are against abortions should go and adopt as many kids as possible and show us how to love and raise and care for them. Stop wasting your time with picket signs and actually do something about it. Bet you wont. You just like to make other people feel bad about themselves. Last time i checked there was kids all over the place that need homes. Yes I adopted and yes my favorite sister is an adopted sibling. Pick her any day over my real blood.
The abortion musnt have been done right for the baby to come out cos they give u an abortion then ur baby slowly melts away or goes away.... But you never know stuff like this does happen but rarely.
Also it's all very well saying there's no excuse but every circumstance is different; just because you believe yourself to be strong enough to share your own body, your nutrients and your oxygen with another life doesn't mean that other people are. Postnatal depression is surely proof enough of the physiological and psychological trauma and turmoil that pregnancy and giving birth involves, and most of the time that's in mothers who made a conscious decision to conceive!
Late stage abortions are only carried out if the mother's life is in danger or the baby has a 0% chance of survival outside the womb. The doctor in question did not get banned for performing it but performing it outside a hospital as complications are more likely.
The majority of women (especially married women) will not report being raped and therefor we will never know the true percentage of abortions through rape. You will also find that the majority of rapists do not use a condom. Pro-lifers will have you believe, that rapists only rape females who are sterile, of course this is a, what do you call it, oh yes, a LIE.!!!!!
If you want to stop abortion then you need to get to the root of the problem. Not attack women under stress aleady. Go after deadbeat dads, stop calling mothers on welfare lazy leeches, stop treating unmarried mothers like shit seriously it is our society to blame for this not the women.
@csincali . .. if you u sleeps with a looser, than why you get pregnant when you are single? if you made mistake once, one child wont make you go on welfare and be a lazy leach. Its not society you have to blame- yourself- You are society
@csincali no my dear my words or attitude do not make you to go and kill a innocent child bcz your personal life didn't work out. You not the first woman and not last who made mistake in her life with a man or end up to be a single mother, mistake its either experience or lesson..men is a choice ..Tho child is not mistake or a choice- its responsibility
If people actually read Roe v Wade and SCIENTIFIC documentation on pregnancy, birth control, and abortion procedures, not just leaflets from some random activist group, they'd see that what happened in this case was beyond illegal. It's not even defensible under the terms laid out in Roe v Wade. This is extortion of uninformed women whose reasons for wanting to abort are irrelevant. Abortions post 1st term should be for emergencies only because of viability concerns, and this doctor knew better.
@sn9696 It's pretty disgusting. That's why we invented the CONDOM. Or the pill. Funny that people are that lazy that they would rather put themselves through this sort of thing.
@Ambriel101 How about just restraining from sex until you are ready to have a child. Condoms have a 1 in 5 chance of failure. Would you get on a plane with a 20% chance of death?
Doctors leave material, sponges, forceps, and more in people, they cut off wrong limbs, hit vital nerves. This has to happen. I am not FOR abortion, but he is there, is a doctor.
This is why abortions past 16 or 18 weeks should not be allowed. Pregnancy is very easy to catch early on, and these types of situations can be avoided. I don't blame the doctor, I just think abortion should be decided VERY early on.
@Glasdrache i agree to a certain extent. i agree that for those who know they want it done get it done early on but if i were to find out my baby has no kidneys or no liver heck no intestines i would go for the abortion even though it is 20 weeks..here in canada its 24 weeks, because it would die either way.
this is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.you go to a clinic to kill your baby and then jail the person who does it no shit its going to be alive its growing inside u dumb b*tch
horrible that this has to happen every day, however what kind of life would it be for those children who are unwanted and left in foster homes, etc. i have a beautiful son that was unplanned and he is the light of my life. he came at a bad time but i couldn't be happier with my decision to keep him. its too bad these woman dont think to be responsible. or take pregnancy seriously.
@MusicofBroadway but knowing that shes looking into the face of her rapist everyday? knowing that EVERNUTALLY she will have to tell the child what the father did?
@Heatherhickman1986lo She's not looking into the face of her rapist, she's looking into the face of her child which is not the same thing. Yes, getting raped is a traumatic experience for anyone and sometimes, but not often, a woman gets pregnant from the crime, but killing the baby that was conceived from it is the wrong way to deal with it. Would you think it okay to kill a five year old for the sole reason that it was conceived because of a rape?
@MusicofBroadway How do you think this child will feel when s/he is eventually told how s/he was created? The child will never know its father and the child will experience a lifetime of cruelty, ostracising, and bullying. True, the child is an innocent product of a crime but what mother would want to have a baby that will remind her DAILY for the rest of her life of her experience?
@Nennachen There may be all sorts of sad feelings, but the child wouldn't wish that their mother had killed them. It's true the child may never know their biological father, but they may know a father. If a woman truly loves her child, having it with her would not be a torturous reminder of the experience. Even if there are hard times and unpleasant feelings, that doesn't justify killing the child. It's not okay to kill people just because they are connected to an unpleasant experience.
@Nennachen The people who would do such a thing to a child that is the product of rape are just as sick as the rapist himself. And if the mother is not strong enough to see the beauty of the child and get over the tragedy of what happened to her, than she can put the child up for adoption.
@MusicofBroadway No. But it's not a person until it's born. Besides, you couldn't give a shit about it AFTER it's born. It's like what George Carlin said. "Prenatal, you're fine, pre-schooler, you're fucked."
@4ingP Actually, I care a lot about people who are born....otherwise, I wouldn't really care about anyone. And, yes, it is a person before it's born. If it's not a person than the woman isn't pregnant. It doesn't just turn into a person when it's born.
@4ingP Yeah, I care about you in a sense. It's not a personal feeling, but I wouldn't want anyone to kill you or anything.
Level of development does not make something less human. Of course a fetus is not as developed as it will be once it is born but toddlers are less developed than adults and that doesn't make them less human. Some adults aren't as developed as other adults but they are just as human.
@4ingP Because I value life and think everyone should have the chance and to live.
So are you saying that a being human is defined by having rights? Just because people decided to give the baby its rights after birth doesn't mean that's when it becomes human. And even if some people deserve to die, that does not give us the right to go around aborting babies before they've even done anything.
@4ingP I care about you because I acknowledge that you're an individual with your own mind, opinions and feelings. I think your life is valuable and that you're a unique individual.
Things that are different can connect. Siamese twins are connected and they're completely different. A fetus can't change into something it's not when it detaches. We can't kill someone because they may deserve to die someday. If you're using that mentality, they may also grow up to discover the cure for cancer.
Everyone deserves to die, no matter how much good they do. You would rather a child be raised in an abusive foster family than having it put out of its misery. I deserve to die because I believe all life is worthless. We all get what we deserve eventually, why should it matter when we get it?
If someone discovers a cure for cancer, they discover a cure for cancer. That's not good or bad.
@4ingP Yeah, I care about your sister in the same way. I care about everyone the same way. When I meet people, then caring differs from person to person.
Depending on your worldview, everyone deserves to die but that doesn't give us the right to kill people. Who are we to decide that everyone deserves to die and that it's okay to kill babies?
@MusicofBroadway So you don't care about anyone in particular you don't know. You just care that people exist.
No one has rights. We can all do whatever we wish. Having rights to do something implies that it's impossible (not forbidden) to do things you don't have rights to do.
Who are you to decide what's right and wrong? Right and wrong are labels attached to things and actions by the human mind. Things and actions aren't right and wrong in reality.
@4ingP I care about people I don't know as individuals, I just care about them in the same way. It's impossible for my feelings of others to be personal if I don't know anything about them.
Having rights does not mean it's impossible to do things for which we don't have rights. In the US, we have rights that people in other countries don't have, but that doesn't mean it's impossible for them to do the same things.
@MusicofBroadway But you don't care about anyone you don't you in particular, you just care that people exist. If you don't care about them personally, you can't care about them specifically.
No. Our "rights" merely protect us from prosecution. Laws aren't real, so legal protection isn't real either.
Maybe you should think about it. If something was definitely right or wrong, then people wouldn't need to argue about it.
@4ingP I don't see why that means I don't care about them. I don't know how I can feel something personal about someone that I've never met.
Actually, I think there is such things as definite right and definite wrong, I just think the argument lies in people trying to decide what things are right and wrong.
If you think life is worthless, then of course it won't matter to you if something dies, but a lot of people find live very valuable and it matters a lot to them if something dies.
@MusicofBroadway When you care about something, you prefer it over others. If you care about everyone in the same way, you feel the same way about everyone. I understand that you care more about people you know (or less, as the case may be), but it's impossible to have an opinion about people you don't know. You can only care that people exist, so it shouldn't matter if some people die.
@4ingP Caring doesn't necessarily mean I prefer something over something else. Caring can also mean feeling concern for. When you say I just care that people exist, I don't see that as a bad thing. I care for people who exist and don't want them to have miserable lives or get hurt. People volunteer to help homeless and sick people because they care about them and that's the kind of care I mean.
@MusicofBroadway If you care about everything the same way, you may as well not care about it. It's like a girl kissing one of her friends and her boyfriend the same way (I hear this happens). If you say that there's no life that you don't care about, there is no life you can care about (not talking about the people you know, obviously).
@4ingP That's one way to think about it. I disagree, though. I see not caring as not having feelings for. It makes me sad when I hear about people being killed, even if I don't know them, because I care.
@MusicofBroadway But people WILL have miserable lives, and forcing them to go through with them instead of killing them just to make yourself feel better is selfish.
That's what I'm saying! Nothing is right or wrong until someone has an opinion about it. You THINK murder is wrong, but murder isn't right or wrong, especially since people have different opinions as to what it is.
@4ingP Everyone will not have a miserable life. Things happen to everyone that will make them feel miserable at one point, but that doesn't define their life. We can't kill a child but because we decide it will have a miserable life and it's better just to kill them.
It doesn't matter whether we believe murder is right or wrong, but if someone murders because they don't think it's wrong, then they are forcing their views on someone else.
@MusicofBroadway There are about seven billion people on the planet. We're running out of space for people to live. You're saying that every single life on this planet is worth the space and resources?
@4ingP Yes. I'm not saying we need more people on the planet, I'm saying that every life we already have is worth it. Every life is valuable and no innocent person should have to die because of the beliefs and decisions of others.
@MusicofBroadway Every life we ALREADY HAVE. First, the only lives YOU have are the ones who you personally care about, whether you like them or dislike them. Second, kids are forced to fight in Africa and you're trying to defend the rights of those who don't even know they exist yet. Where are your priorities?
@4ingP First of all, when I say "we" I'm not saying me, personally. I mean every life that is already on Earth.
Secondly, unborn babies have self awareness. And I'm not saying their life is more valuable than any child that is over in Africa but we were discussing abortion. I didn't give you my priorities on all mankind, I told you why I'm against abortion. This has nothing to do with kids in Africa. That is a completely different conversation.
@MusicofBroadway EVERY life? Even the people who already have done bad? You think they should be allowed to live?
Sure they do. When did you first find out you exist? I know I didn't know until I was born, then I forgot everything in the first year of my life.
This may be about abortion, but the rights of the unborn come second to the rights of the born. I'm not talking about kids in Africa, I'm talking about why the unborn should be a secondary concern.
@4ingP What do you mean by bad because everyone has done wrong things. Just because someone does something wrong that doesn't mean their life is now worthless.
Wow. I find it amazing that you remember knowing you existed when you were born. I don't remember being aware of myself in the womb but I don't remember being aware of myself in the first few days after my birth, either.
Why do the rights of the born come first? Unborn people are no less of a person than they are.
@4ingP I disagree that everyone's life is worthless. The amount of people who miss you doesn't define mow much life is worth.
If the baby could understand what was happening to it, then I'm sure it would care very much.
Since cars are inanimate objects, my opinion on them is dramatically different than human life. A car that is in development still exists, it's just not finished yet. Are toddlers less human than adults because they are less developed?
@MusicofBroadway That’s why its just better off leaving it legal. A lot more people would die or get hurt if it was illegal. I don’t necessarily believe an abortion should be free unless you honestly have no money. Or I don’t think people should be allowed to use it as birth control, and get an abortion every year!!
@dreamergirl01621 If people are choosing to die because they couldn't kill a baby, that's different than forcefully ending the life of someone. I don't think more people will die if aborting babies is outlawed. Since not aborting babies doesn't really cause anyone to die, that's assuming women will commit suicide because they weren't allowed to abort the baby and I don't think that would happen that often.
But I agree with you that it shouldn't be used as birth control.
@MusicofBroadway No. Life is worthless regardless of how many people care about it.
What's to care about? Death isn't anything to be afraid of.
An unborn baby isn't a human life, it's an extension of the mother. If it was physically independent of the mother, it may as well be an inanimate object, since it couldn't survive.
It's not a car, though. No, but THEY CAN EXIST WITHOUT BEING CONNECTED TO THEIR MOTHERS. Why do I need to keep repeating myself?
@4ingP You don't need to keep repeating yourself. I understand that you are saying they can't exist without being connected to their mothers. That's right. However, they are a separate life, not part of the mother. At that stage of life, a baby is completely dependent on the mother for survival, but level of dependency has nothing to do with how human someone is.
You say life is worthless, but that is only your opinion. Nothing more.
@MusicofBroadway Well by then the 6y old is already born and the mother CHOOSE to have it.So its now up to the separate vessel(the child).As for suicide rates while pregnant,they would go up without a shadow of a doubt. so would underground abortions,which cause a load of health problems for the women.We would also have more mental patients because the people who didn’t want to have babies would be going crazy and the people around them would be worried for their mental and physical health.
@MusicofBroadway They're about as human as a corpse at that point.
It's fact. Humans have existed for nearly 200,000 years, and yet the average human life is about a century now. It used to be half a century. Life has existed even longer. Considering how short of an existence we live, what makes you think life (more specifically, human lives) are significant?...
@4ingP I disagree that they aren't human. It isn't a fact. That debate continues even today. If I thought they weren't human, I wouldn't care if they were aborted.
I think it's valuable because every person is unique, has feelings and ideas. We may not be here forever, but the present is just as important as the future. We choose how the next generation will live. If we just think about we'll all be gone later, then it doesn't look important. But you can't just rule out the present.
@MusicofBroadway They aren't fully developed yet. They WILL BE humans.
We live for about 1/4000th to 1/2000th of how long homo sapiens have existed. Currently, there are 7 billion people on the planet. Given that mothers are supposed to care for the welfare of their children (biologically, this isn't a sexist remark), what makes you think the world will miss a few thousand babies?...
@4ingP Being less developed does not mean they are less human or not human at all. Just because the environment inside the womb is different, doesn't mean that people inside the womb aren't people.
It's not that I think the world will miss them. It doesn't matter if they are missed. It matters that we are killing babies because of what we think their lives may be like or because their mother doesn't want them.
@MusicofBroadway Look, it's quite simple. They are a part of the mother's body.
No, they ARE NOT individuals yet.
They aren't people, though. They rely on their mother's body to survive.
Babies can't think or make decisions.
You'd want him to know why he was being killed...that's really naive. Be realistic. You would wait for those 70+ million people to die just so Hitler could know why he's dying? His death would be useless at that point, anyway.
@freewilllover Not part of the mother? Why don't you try severing the umbilical cord before the baby should be born, see how that affects their growth later on.
Cells tell what the fetus is GOING to be. A partially assembled car isn't a car yet.
The "rights" you're thinking of don't exist. People do what they want (that's the only right people have). Other things, living or not, react.
Cells make someone member of a spieces it isn`tcomparable to a car cause machines are based on their capabilities specieses aren`t they are based on genetics.
Yes we are discussing moral rights, what you suggest is naarchism the irght of the strong, well in that case rwape should be legal
@freewilllover ...right, the fetus needs to be connected to the mother to survive...and would die if it wasn't a part of the mother...so it isn't an independently living thing yet.
Species are biological machines. They have different capabilities.
I don't suggest that the strong have more rights than the weak. I'm saying that rights that need to be guaranteed by law aren't rights. The only right a person has is to do as he or she pleases. No one has a right to life.
@4ingP It is independent it is seperate. Wel l then you are supporting the right of the strong cause thery can harm thw weak, greatr can I rape you?? No we all have right to free life!!!!
@freewilllover Look. If something can survive without being connected to its mother, it's an individual. If it's connected to the mother, it's part of the mother.
I don't expect you to understand this, because it seems like English isn't your native language.
Legal rights can be attempted to be preserved. One's natural right doesn't need to be preserved.
It was a fetus, exempt from any right to live until it was born, then it suddenly became a baby. Sad that people have this view :(
jadalette 4 hours ago
YouTube is taking down all of the abortion videos that show pictures of *legally and safely* murdered children.
They say they remove them because they are “ shocking and disgusting”
Abortion, according to the criminals who run our country, is a safe, legal procedure, no different than having your appendix out. No moral issue, just a lump of meaningless flesh.
What is shocking and disgusting to me is that YouTube has the audacity to censor the truth about abortion.
KevinMerck 1 day ago
If abortion were just a matter of some deranged female crawling into the bathroom after a night of irresponsible sex to take RU486, no one would ever be the wiser.
But NO … these irresponsible, murderous pigs, have to carry the child for 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 months and then have an abortionist stab the child in the head with a pair of scissors as the baby is being dragged out of the uterus legs first.
“Zip It Up” or take responsibility; you murderous, deadbeat pigs.
KevinMerck 2 days ago
Personalities don't magically appear the moment you're born or shortly after. And yes they can think. I've seen a video of an abortion via ultrasound, that child fought to get away from the doctor that was trying to kill him. You can even see him scream as the doctor finally got a hold of him. Can't think? Have no personalities? Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
sakura9801185 6 days ago
so sad for the baby but now his with God
grice47s 1 week ago
So sad
luluzulu183 1 week ago
I'm pro-abortion...as long as it's your baby.
ChipplesDClown 1 week ago
actually it's a choice your taking having sex i'm so totally against it and why do that if your not gonna be responsible enough right of course it's their choice but first of all think of what your doing to that human bean but it's is messed up no to take a irresponsibility for your own actions
MultiAnahi15 1 week ago
Sadly, this is a common daily experience typically they are drowned in formaldehyde if still living. If you were raped, or told there were medical reasons you couldn't carry-then why wait until 2nd it 3rd trimester? If you don't want a baby-don't have unprotected sex. Period.
TxBlondeAmbition 1 week ago 6
WHO THE FUCK WOULD ABORT A INICENT BABY ndd yes its a baby not anything else god wtf did it ever do to u its ur damn fault for opening ur legs i swear it wrong it pethetic ndd a pices of trash u know u mom gave u life so y the fuck would u take one that littel killing a five year old man if ur mom new what u did trust me i think she would secound guess on u to! Man if u ever had an abortion u r pethetic worthless ndd u better pray for ur life that u get in to heavn cuz hunny there anit no chanc
1funkeymonkey 2 weeks ago
YouTube has pulled all videos containing pictures of murdered, mutilated children calling them “offensive”.
You’re damn right they’re offensive. They show murdered and mutilated children in ever stage of development.
If abortion is just a safe, legal, medical procedure, ridding the female body of an “unwanted parasite” then why the censorship?
Abortion fanatics are desperately fighting to keep these pictures of murdered children out of public view.
Make sure that doesn’t happen.
KevinMerck 2 weeks ago
PART 3: AND DO YOU HONESTLY WANT TO KNOW THE SICKEST THING OF ALL???!! You’ll probably say those homeless people need to get a job, those Casey Anthony’s need to be arrested because the social workers/ and law officers need to work harder, & the Medicare industry is making to much so lets occupy a hospital!!!! OH WAIT, THIS IS MY FAVORITE PRO-LIFE RESPONSE, “this is Obamas fault!! He screwed us all!!” I hope this made your brains work a little bit harder then they do:)
dreamergirl01621 2 weeks ago
@dreamergirl01621 You're assuming quite a lot about pro-lifers. We are only against abortion because we believe what is being killed is a baby and just as much human as you and me. Yes, the woman matters, but we think a baby's life comes before the feelings of someone else. There's nothing heartless about it. You're the one who doesn't care if an innocent baby is murdered because the mother doesn't want it.
MusicofBroadway 2 weeks ago
@MusicofBroadway Hahaha your not understanding me. I don’t think ALL pro-lifers have the wrong ideas. Ive talked to some very intelligent pro-lifers with amazing ideas. I just think most pro-lifers are just 2 dementional. They don’t think about the effects of what they want. Idk how im assuming things about pro-lifers when you just said “You're the one who doesn't care if an innocent baby is murdered”. You don’t know me, so how do you know I don’t care?
dreamergirl01621 2 weeks ago
@dreamergirl01621 Well, I've been reading your messages and you are giving the impression that you don't care if the baby dies as long as it's what the mother would want. And, begging your pardon, but I did understand you. You are saying most pro-lifers are 2 dimensional, but unless you know most pro-lifers, you can't say that. It's the same idea that you mentioned when you asked how I knew you didn't care. We do think about the effects.
MusicofBroadway 1 week ago
@MusicofBroadway If you asked me, I would probably never get an abortion. Unless serious medical reasons. But I have no right forcing someone to have a child they don’t want. Its just my opinion. Everyone’s allowed to have one.
dreamergirl01621 2 weeks ago
@dreamergirl01621 And I respect your opinion, even though I disagree with it. Forcing a woman to give birth after she gets pregnant is not that terrible. We have laws against murder and sometimes, when a person kills another person, they are put on death row and no one seems to have a problem with that. It's sad that the only people murder laws don't apply to are defenseless babies growing in their mothers' womb, which should be a safe place for them.
MusicofBroadway 1 week ago
@MusicofBroadway I think it’s a misunderstanding. I should have said most pro-lifers I’ve talked to, Not most in the world. But ive talked to a lot! Both in life and online ,and what I see is people not thinking about the future and more about what they want. did you really say no one has a problem with death row?? Really, come on! That’s another hot debatable issues
dreamergirl01621 1 week ago
@MusicofBroadway And I do care about abortion. But I think sometimes it for the better. I don’t want a child to grow up tortured and abused because the parent was forced to have them. That is a terrible life for someone!
dreamergirl01621 1 week ago 2
PART 2:Think about what happens if it’s illegal. You’ll have twice as many abusive parents, more people in poverty, more deaths from underground abortions, more miscarriages from stress, riots, people out of jobs, higher taxes to take care of the Medicare cost, people getting held against their will until they have their baby, more people homeless and on the streets begging for money, and a growing population and nowhere to put people!
dreamergirl01621 2 weeks ago
PART 1:Want to know what the problem is with all u “pro-lifers”. You don’t give a shit about the effects of what you’re asking. Its honestly like a kid in a toy store! You want the toy but you don’t realize that if your mother gets you that 300$ toy, she wouldn’t be able to put food on the table so you can eat! All you want is that toy!
dreamergirl01621 2 weeks ago
Monster of a doctor
Zcalvin224 3 weeks ago
This makes me so sad.. Wondering how n the hellll could these people be so calm about it... Ugh pisses me off... Sad sad story.
karina11890 3 weeks ago
@karina11890 they have to be calm, if they weren't then it would just cause caos if the woman answering the phone started bein emetionally and being freaked out
jadekillcity 3 weeks ago
I have a problem with America not wanting to torture terrorists because its “wrong” when they blow up and kill millions of people, but we are willing to torture women who did nothing wrong but make a choice to want an abortion, and were willing to keep them captive and force them to have kids. Is that ironic to anyone else???
dreamergirl01621 3 weeks ago
@dreamergirl01621 "Zip It Up"
Sex is a choice
Abortion is murder and that is wrong.
Deadbeat females need to keep IT zipped up.
KevinMerck 3 weeks ago
@KevinMerck Wow I will fight for the no sex debate more than the abortion debate. Why is sex wrong?Why Is are culture led to believe sex is wrong!SEX IS NOT WRONG!Why cant I have sex and not want to get pregnant!?Just because the Catholic Church wants no one to have sex,why should I have to follow that!?its obvious that you an male asshole, who cant get laid so your mad at the world! Grow the f up!Just cause you don’t want to have sex,doesn’t give you the right to make other people not have sex!
dreamergirl01621 3 weeks ago
@KevinMerck
“Deadbeat females need to keep IT zipped up.”
I am beyond offended by this statement!!!and I think any smart females WOULD also be offended by this. Why just females?? Why not males to?? This is such a sexist statement I cant even believe it!!! So let me get this strait?? A female, who doesn’t want to get married but wants to have sex is classified as A DEADBEAT!! You are beyond a male sexist pig! You should be ashamed to be you!
dreamergirl01621 3 weeks ago
@dreamergirl01621 ZIP IT UP, Skank, you have no sane argument.
Deadbeat females need to take responsibilty for the life they bring into this world.
Men are held responsible for their sexual behavior so females must also be held responsible, you mindless, deadbeat skank, that's the law.
KevinMerck 3 weeks ago
@KevinMerck I bet you also think rape victims wanted it. You don’t know me how can you call me a skank? Im not calling you a man whore? For all I know you could be a 40 year old virgin
dreamergirl01621 3 weeks ago
@KevinMerck By calling females mindless skanks you just sound so uneducated. Really, come one, grow up
dreamergirl01621 3 weeks ago
that is so sad
jenztheshizz 3 weeks ago
why must people be so cold these days
shadow444222 3 weeks ago
@4ingP & Freewillover - PLEASE DO NOT EVER MULTIPLY!!! you both are imbecile idiots! Neither one of you have an ounce of "human" intelligence - please save your ignorance for the mental institutions. Hopefully, you both will be sharing rooms one day!
Angyl444 3 weeks ago
@Angyl444 Someone is stupid because they see how life is worthless? Care to explain?
4ingP 3 weeks ago
he should have been charged with murder the baby was alive and well
scalelike 4 weeks ago 2
Baby came out alive. Sorry, killing it after the fact is murder according to law.
fwbrc51 4 weeks ago
@plunkdink and what do you mean people like me people that think you shouldn't go around killing other people, because although things are going good for me right now they haven't always being full of sugar and spice i have had my bad times too trying to figure out where i was going to live or feed myself (my kids could always eat with family) but i wouldn't kill them because i couldn't afford to take care of them but people like you think that is what you should do so which sounds better hhmmmm
1nonlykathylynn 1 month ago
@plunkdink i never put people down i may not agree with what your particular beliefs but i don't put anyone down and i agree that the world is over populated but that is because people don't want to use protection i am 38 and have 4 children 1 adopted and 3 biological and i have had sex more than 3 times i choose to use birth control that's why i don't have tons of children teach the kids to use protection and there won't be unwanted children.
1nonlykathylynn 1 month ago
Less than 1% of abortions are attributable to instances of rape or incest.
“Jane Roe” admitted that she lied about being raped. The worst Supreme Court decision in history was based on false accusations.
Irresponsible females need to “keep it zipped up” or take full responsibility for the child they bring into this world.
Roe V Wade was never intended to give irresponsible females free reign to murder their children.
KevinMerck 1 month ago
Fuck it. To many ugly shit babies
Wak3UpZombi3s 1 month ago
i'm not a fan of abortion but women have the right to choose.however, i think at this stage of development, abortions should be ruled out.it's an actual being at this point.if it was still a fetus i think that would be different.also, i'd feel awful as the almost aborted child growing up knowing that my mom tried to get rid of me.kinda depressing.
strangekid06 1 month ago
Hey women.. .LEARN TO CLOSE YOUR LEGS(:
KATHYKATHY000 1 month ago
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dreamergirl01621 1 month ago
And btw, that "Dr." Pendergraft should only be mopping floors for the rest of his life. Horrible scum.
ihatecapitalistpigsX 1 month ago
Alritey people, i'm going to be unorthodox on the subject of abortion. I'm not pro-life. And I'm not pro-choice [simply because many use the argument that unborn children aren't human, and that the mother is more important than the child]. Anything with a heartbeat is living, and a fetus is a living thing born from a human. So what is it? Human. And no life is more important than another, no matter how big or small, smart or not, old or young, and so on. You can use "well, this person is more im
ihatecapitalistpigsX 1 month ago
portant than this person because of this reason" for ANYTHING. But, it is the choice of the woman people. And I'm a firm believer in that. not for personal or social issues, but for the fact you can't tell someone what to do with their body, unless their harming themselves. You cannot tell a woman she has to bear a child for 9 MONTHS and then give it up for adoption to avoid killing a living thing. Some people have to make that decision for themselves. But last 3 months should be open for debate
ihatecapitalistpigsX 1 month ago
@ihatecapitalistpigsX I 100% agree with what you said!
dreamergirl01621 1 month ago
How did i get here fromprank vida
maryaqzzz 1 month ago
Even if I went against my beliefs and said a fetus is a baby at conception, I would still leave it up to the mother!! You cant have it both ways, abortion, or forcing birth is ALWAYS going to hurt someone. Its either the baby or the mother if abortion is illegal, or legal. BUT if its illegal you run the risk of both the mother AND THE BABY getting hurt from psychological torture to both of them. Its better for everyone if you leave it up to the woman carrying it
dreamergirl01621 1 month ago
@dreamergirl01621 And like I’ve said there doesn’t have to be that way for the mother or her baby. She can give the child up into adoption etc... Many many more people are willing to adopt babys and children than they are teenagers. So give them a CHANCE at life... don’t end it before its even begun....
KarasuKoromaru 1 month ago
@KarasuKoromaru Im not talking about being an “outsider” in a foster family, every teenager feels that in a family. Im talking about the ones who get beat, abused, and experience sexual abuse in foster care/adoption. And one person getting a sucsesful foster parent is nothing compared to the majority who face abuse
dreamergirl01621 1 month ago
id be like B!tch please give me my phone Im calling the POPO and sending your @sses to jail!
HugsNotDrugs97 1 month ago
Why did she even go to the clinic in the first place, she wanted to abort the baby, when the baby comes out alive then she change her mind, wtf?
lachelle83 1 month ago
the docters who do abortions should put in jail, or lose all of their money. i dont blame the people who are the doctors i blame the parents of the children. like i said before dont have sex if you dont want a baby but for the dushbags who rape innosent people ya'll are dushes go **** yourselves. the wemon who are whores because they want exitement in there lives and they want to be easy dont ****ing do it! for the wemon who are strippers because they need money its okay but dont have abortions
Rougeheart467 1 month ago
dont have sex if you dont want a baby. abortion is murder.
Rougeheart467 1 month ago
Oh man... This is horrible. I don't even know what to say...
DarkJokerWolfeh 1 month ago
further more, MORE women should choose to TERMINATE their pregnancies, rather than pretend like its ok to bring children into a life without any way of providing medical, financial and emotional care to.. Its wrong, there are too many kids who are starving right now here in the US, and dont have coats for winter because theyre parents just dont care.. Mothers who make the choice to put themselves first, instead of bringing an unwanted child into the world are doing the right thing.
StardustMaeField 1 month ago
@StardustMaeField They might be un wanted by her... but they still might be wanted by someone out there...You're condoning the murder of an innocent being just because the biological parents might not want it? Thats what adoption is for! and Maybe the foster/adoption things got a bad rep but personally I know many many people who were placed with amazing homes and went from abuse and hatred to a loving caring family... Including myself.
KarasuKoromaru 1 month ago
The Mother clearly did not want a LIVING BREATHING child that was physically in front of her to die. She made the choice to terminate her pregnancy, she did not consent to being forcibly induced into giving birth to a live baby, and then allowing it to die in a toilet. That is not an abortion.. That is not what any woman signs up for..
StardustMaeField 1 month ago
And the mom doesnt have 2 say anything 2 the baby he died and the abortion part is wrong but wat is worse is they want him dumped in the toilet to die
catgirl1224 1 month ago
Florida has a law tht you have to be 6 months or less to get him\her aborted 6 MONTHS tht should be illegal
catgirl1224 1 month ago
Why, why, why did she wait so long to get an abortion?! I think women should have the right to choose because having a baby is affecting their body and their lives, but you should know when you first find out that your pregnant if you want the pregnancy or not. Late term abortions are NOT okay in my book. There is always adoption at that point.
jkmycko1 1 month ago
Abortion is Murder no matter what term it is. All terms of abortion should be discontinued. @Bluelavah Wow. That man is a survivor. Coathanger Abortions are the most dangerous abortions.
jk09345568 1 month ago
This infuriated me. The babies gonna be fucking dead by the time you get there. Just send 911 and figure out the bullshit later. Dont transfer her 4 times. ldiots.
CamBellTia 1 month ago
my father met a man who was born after a failed abortion this man had cuts on his arms from the failed abortion it was the old style coathanger kind ...
bluelavah 1 month ago
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'I'm 100% atheist, but I'm against abortions: women have a choice way before she got pregnant : plz do not feed me w "rape" victims thing, its always Plan B- same as go after deadbeat dads- you knew who you laid with, and yes mothers on welfare with bunch of kids from different fathers are leaches! if a**hole fool you once- shame on you, if you fooled twice-its mean you dont know when to stop, and dont know how to close your legs and try to trap a man with it..No excuses- pregnancy preventable
ImRussianJew 1 month ago
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ImRussianJew 1 month ago
Only first term abortions should be legal.
DoctorShepp 1 month ago
I don't believe in abortion. This video shows this baby wanted to live and the abortion was NOT meant to be. I would rather see a baby given up for adoption, rather than be aborted. Many prospective parents are out there looking to adopt. My mother wanted me to abort my 3rd, (I was in effect, a single mom, at 34). I refused! He is now a prospective father of his 1st, (at 23 yo). I am so proud I didn't listen to my mother!
RubeShelly 1 month ago
@musicofbroadway i was a rape victim who enxed up vetting pregnant. but i didnt abort the damn thing. i gave it up fornadoption. to abort a baby is just wrong, rekigious or not. there are people all over america, and the world, looking to adopt a baby. abortion should be used for those who will Die because of the fetus. period.
imfox 1 month ago
@imfox I agree. I'm glad you chose to go through with the pregnancy instead of ending a life and I'm so sorry that it to happen through rape.
But I agree that abortion should only be considered if it will jeopardize the life of the mother.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
jhenyadancing you are pro Choice and you agree this baby has a choice. - a choice to live. So why did this baby not have a choice when its body was hanging out, but the head was still in the uterus? or a few minutes before when it was still inside the womb? or a week ago? or a month ago? or in the first trimester? it is a life at all times....
kiwigirlhottie 1 month ago
Omg! I am pro choice but this is insane! That baby CHOSE to come out alive and deserves to have its choice honored. What primitive, vicious, monsters at this clinic. Imagine how scared the girl is to begin with then she has to have this happen on top of it.
jhenyadancing 1 month ago
This is horrible. How can they just sit there and watch the baby die?! Tht is murder.
thtgurlMaddie 1 month ago
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ThisAwesomeDude111 1 month ago
All you people whom are against abortions should go and adopt as many kids as possible and show us how to love and raise and care for them. Stop wasting your time with picket signs and actually do something about it. Bet you wont. You just like to make other people feel bad about themselves. Last time i checked there was kids all over the place that need homes. Yes I adopted and yes my favorite sister is an adopted sibling. Pick her any day over my real blood.
barbergirll 1 month ago
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rockergod789 1 month ago
The abortion musnt have been done right for the baby to come out cos they give u an abortion then ur baby slowly melts away or goes away.... But you never know stuff like this does happen but rarely.
MrJackolad123 1 month ago
Also it's all very well saying there's no excuse but every circumstance is different; just because you believe yourself to be strong enough to share your own body, your nutrients and your oxygen with another life doesn't mean that other people are. Postnatal depression is surely proof enough of the physiological and psychological trauma and turmoil that pregnancy and giving birth involves, and most of the time that's in mothers who made a conscious decision to conceive!
ThePyjamaPirate 1 month ago
Late stage abortions are only carried out if the mother's life is in danger or the baby has a 0% chance of survival outside the womb. The doctor in question did not get banned for performing it but performing it outside a hospital as complications are more likely.
ThePyjamaPirate 1 month ago
The majority of women (especially married women) will not report being raped and therefor we will never know the true percentage of abortions through rape. You will also find that the majority of rapists do not use a condom. Pro-lifers will have you believe, that rapists only rape females who are sterile, of course this is a, what do you call it, oh yes, a LIE.!!!!!
Skaramoosh5 1 month ago
wake up call!
melmcl 1 month ago
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melmcl 1 month ago
this reminds me of charlie from it's always sunny in philadelphia... "you survived the abortion!" except charlie lived long after his abortion....
HowaHowaTV 1 month ago
If you want to stop abortion then you need to get to the root of the problem. Not attack women under stress aleady. Go after deadbeat dads, stop calling mothers on welfare lazy leeches, stop treating unmarried mothers like shit seriously it is our society to blame for this not the women.
csincali 1 month ago 18
@csincali or those women could stop being hoes and keep it in their pants
strongarms35 1 month ago
@csincali . .. if you u sleeps with a looser, than why you get pregnant when you are single? if you made mistake once, one child wont make you go on welfare and be a lazy leach. Its not society you have to blame- yourself- You are society
ImRussianJew 1 month ago
@ImRussianJew My point exactly. It is that attitude that is to blame for many of the choices women make, Who wants to be refered to like that?
csincali 1 month ago
@csincali no my dear my words or attitude do not make you to go and kill a innocent child bcz your personal life didn't work out. You not the first woman and not last who made mistake in her life with a man or end up to be a single mother, mistake its either experience or lesson..men is a choice ..Tho child is not mistake or a choice- its responsibility
ImRussianJew 1 month ago
If people actually read Roe v Wade and SCIENTIFIC documentation on pregnancy, birth control, and abortion procedures, not just leaflets from some random activist group, they'd see that what happened in this case was beyond illegal. It's not even defensible under the terms laid out in Roe v Wade. This is extortion of uninformed women whose reasons for wanting to abort are irrelevant. Abortions post 1st term should be for emergencies only because of viability concerns, and this doctor knew better.
cowgirled811 2 months ago
I'm pro choice, but if you're in your 3rd trimester then its way too late for the abortion. Just give the baby up for adoption...not hard people!
shannonhoon420 2 months ago 12
abortion is only murder if its done after the second trimester
tallyhoman911 2 months ago
to be honest i wouldnt want a rapist baby but wtf
Gam3rJunky 2 months ago 3
Lets be honest,most women have abortions as a form of birthcontrol !! This is wrong !
sn9696 2 months ago
@sn9696 It's pretty disgusting. That's why we invented the CONDOM. Or the pill. Funny that people are that lazy that they would rather put themselves through this sort of thing.
Ambriel101 2 months ago
@Ambriel101 How about just restraining from sex until you are ready to have a child. Condoms have a 1 in 5 chance of failure. Would you get on a plane with a 20% chance of death?
TiltII 2 months ago
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I'd still scramble it with a rusty coathanger
13eyeofthebeholder 2 months ago
Doctors leave material, sponges, forceps, and more in people, they cut off wrong limbs, hit vital nerves. This has to happen. I am not FOR abortion, but he is there, is a doctor.
TheFoxandTheRabbit 2 months ago
This is why abortions past 16 or 18 weeks should not be allowed. Pregnancy is very easy to catch early on, and these types of situations can be avoided. I don't blame the doctor, I just think abortion should be decided VERY early on.
Glasdrache 2 months ago
@Glasdrache i agree to a certain extent. i agree that for those who know they want it done get it done early on but if i were to find out my baby has no kidneys or no liver heck no intestines i would go for the abortion even though it is 20 weeks..here in canada its 24 weeks, because it would die either way.
tamithomas 2 months ago
pro-Abortion
kcpiggott10 2 months ago
this is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.you go to a clinic to kill your baby and then jail the person who does it no shit its going to be alive its growing inside u dumb b*tch
normanwade1234 2 months ago
horrible that this has to happen every day, however what kind of life would it be for those children who are unwanted and left in foster homes, etc. i have a beautiful son that was unplanned and he is the light of my life. he came at a bad time but i couldn't be happier with my decision to keep him. its too bad these woman dont think to be responsible. or take pregnancy seriously.
Buggerflicker 2 months ago
never mind
GagaPromoter 2 months ago
shit thats amazing that the baby suvived i hope that the doctor does die in a bad painfull way
dunwoodie27 2 months ago
I HOPE THAT DOCTOR DIES A HORRIBLE AGONIZING DEATH!
bougatza 2 months ago
@bougatza <----------PRO-LIFE AT IT'S FINEST.
Skaramoosh5 2 months ago
@MusicofBroadway but knowing that shes looking into the face of her rapist everyday? knowing that EVERNUTALLY she will have to tell the child what the father did?
Heatherhickman1986lo 2 months ago
@Heatherhickman1986lo She's not looking into the face of her rapist, she's looking into the face of her child which is not the same thing. Yes, getting raped is a traumatic experience for anyone and sometimes, but not often, a woman gets pregnant from the crime, but killing the baby that was conceived from it is the wrong way to deal with it. Would you think it okay to kill a five year old for the sole reason that it was conceived because of a rape?
MusicofBroadway 2 months ago 8
@MusicofBroadway
To your answer. Yes, yes I do.
wowdanalise 2 months ago
@MusicofBroadway How do you think this child will feel when s/he is eventually told how s/he was created? The child will never know its father and the child will experience a lifetime of cruelty, ostracising, and bullying. True, the child is an innocent product of a crime but what mother would want to have a baby that will remind her DAILY for the rest of her life of her experience?
Nennachen 2 months ago
@Nennachen There may be all sorts of sad feelings, but the child wouldn't wish that their mother had killed them. It's true the child may never know their biological father, but they may know a father. If a woman truly loves her child, having it with her would not be a torturous reminder of the experience. Even if there are hard times and unpleasant feelings, that doesn't justify killing the child. It's not okay to kill people just because they are connected to an unpleasant experience.
MusicofBroadway 2 months ago
@Nennachen The people who would do such a thing to a child that is the product of rape are just as sick as the rapist himself. And if the mother is not strong enough to see the beauty of the child and get over the tragedy of what happened to her, than she can put the child up for adoption.
Ambriel101 2 months ago
@MusicofBroadway But it's not worth it to ruin a perfectly good pussy if the mother won't take responsibility for her child.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP So kids should be killed if their mother is irresponsible?
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway No. But it's not a person until it's born. Besides, you couldn't give a shit about it AFTER it's born. It's like what George Carlin said. "Prenatal, you're fine, pre-schooler, you're fucked."
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP Actually, I care a lot about people who are born....otherwise, I wouldn't really care about anyone. And, yes, it is a person before it's born. If it's not a person than the woman isn't pregnant. It doesn't just turn into a person when it's born.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway Oh? Do you care about me?
Look at a picture of a fetus young enough to be aborted and see if you can truthfully tell me that it looks anything like a developed human.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP Yeah, I care about you in a sense. It's not a personal feeling, but I wouldn't want anyone to kill you or anything.
Level of development does not make something less human. Of course a fetus is not as developed as it will be once it is born but toddlers are less developed than adults and that doesn't make them less human. Some adults aren't as developed as other adults but they are just as human.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway WHY don't you want anyone to kill me?
Yes it does. Once a baby leaves the womb, it has the same rights as a human, and even then, a lot of humans deserve to die.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP Because I value life and think everyone should have the chance and to live.
So are you saying that a being human is defined by having rights? Just because people decided to give the baby its rights after birth doesn't mean that's when it becomes human. And even if some people deserve to die, that does not give us the right to go around aborting babies before they've even done anything.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway But that's everyone, not me. What reason do you have to care about ME particularly? None, right?
No, I'm saying that being human starts when you aren't connected to your mother. Really, you're a part of her until you're disconnected.
If it's young enough to be aborted, it's a barely developed human. It wouldn't survive out of its mother.
The baby WILL more than likely deserve to die when it grows up.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP I care about you because I acknowledge that you're an individual with your own mind, opinions and feelings. I think your life is valuable and that you're a unique individual.
Things that are different can connect. Siamese twins are connected and they're completely different. A fetus can't change into something it's not when it detaches. We can't kill someone because they may deserve to die someday. If you're using that mentality, they may also grow up to discover the cure for cancer.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway Do you care about my sister in the same way?
Everyone deserves to die, no matter how much good they do. You would rather a child be raised in an abusive foster family than having it put out of its misery. I deserve to die because I believe all life is worthless. We all get what we deserve eventually, why should it matter when we get it?
If someone discovers a cure for cancer, they discover a cure for cancer. That's not good or bad.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP Yeah, I care about your sister in the same way. I care about everyone the same way. When I meet people, then caring differs from person to person.
Depending on your worldview, everyone deserves to die but that doesn't give us the right to kill people. Who are we to decide that everyone deserves to die and that it's okay to kill babies?
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
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MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway So you don't care about anyone in particular you don't know. You just care that people exist.
No one has rights. We can all do whatever we wish. Having rights to do something implies that it's impossible (not forbidden) to do things you don't have rights to do.
Who are you to decide what's right and wrong? Right and wrong are labels attached to things and actions by the human mind. Things and actions aren't right and wrong in reality.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP I care about people I don't know as individuals, I just care about them in the same way. It's impossible for my feelings of others to be personal if I don't know anything about them.
Having rights does not mean it's impossible to do things for which we don't have rights. In the US, we have rights that people in other countries don't have, but that doesn't mean it's impossible for them to do the same things.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway But you don't care about anyone you don't you in particular, you just care that people exist. If you don't care about them personally, you can't care about them specifically.
No. Our "rights" merely protect us from prosecution. Laws aren't real, so legal protection isn't real either.
Maybe you should think about it. If something was definitely right or wrong, then people wouldn't need to argue about it.
It doesn't matter if something dies.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP I don't see why that means I don't care about them. I don't know how I can feel something personal about someone that I've never met.
Actually, I think there is such things as definite right and definite wrong, I just think the argument lies in people trying to decide what things are right and wrong.
If you think life is worthless, then of course it won't matter to you if something dies, but a lot of people find live very valuable and it matters a lot to them if something dies.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway When you care about something, you prefer it over others. If you care about everyone in the same way, you feel the same way about everyone. I understand that you care more about people you know (or less, as the case may be), but it's impossible to have an opinion about people you don't know. You can only care that people exist, so it shouldn't matter if some people die.
So what is definitely right and wrong, and WHY?
Not someone they don't know.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP Caring doesn't necessarily mean I prefer something over something else. Caring can also mean feeling concern for. When you say I just care that people exist, I don't see that as a bad thing. I care for people who exist and don't want them to have miserable lives or get hurt. People volunteer to help homeless and sick people because they care about them and that's the kind of care I mean.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway If you care about everything the same way, you may as well not care about it. It's like a girl kissing one of her friends and her boyfriend the same way (I hear this happens). If you say that there's no life that you don't care about, there is no life you can care about (not talking about the people you know, obviously).
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP That's one way to think about it. I disagree, though. I see not caring as not having feelings for. It makes me sad when I hear about people being killed, even if I don't know them, because I care.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway But people WILL have miserable lives, and forcing them to go through with them instead of killing them just to make yourself feel better is selfish.
That's what I'm saying! Nothing is right or wrong until someone has an opinion about it. You THINK murder is wrong, but murder isn't right or wrong, especially since people have different opinions as to what it is.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP Everyone will not have a miserable life. Things happen to everyone that will make them feel miserable at one point, but that doesn't define their life. We can't kill a child but because we decide it will have a miserable life and it's better just to kill them.
It doesn't matter whether we believe murder is right or wrong, but if someone murders because they don't think it's wrong, then they are forcing their views on someone else.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway There are about seven billion people on the planet. We're running out of space for people to live. You're saying that every single life on this planet is worth the space and resources?
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP Yes. I'm not saying we need more people on the planet, I'm saying that every life we already have is worth it. Every life is valuable and no innocent person should have to die because of the beliefs and decisions of others.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway Every life we ALREADY HAVE. First, the only lives YOU have are the ones who you personally care about, whether you like them or dislike them. Second, kids are forced to fight in Africa and you're trying to defend the rights of those who don't even know they exist yet. Where are your priorities?
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP First of all, when I say "we" I'm not saying me, personally. I mean every life that is already on Earth.
Secondly, unborn babies have self awareness. And I'm not saying their life is more valuable than any child that is over in Africa but we were discussing abortion. I didn't give you my priorities on all mankind, I told you why I'm against abortion. This has nothing to do with kids in Africa. That is a completely different conversation.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway EVERY life? Even the people who already have done bad? You think they should be allowed to live?
Sure they do. When did you first find out you exist? I know I didn't know until I was born, then I forgot everything in the first year of my life.
This may be about abortion, but the rights of the unborn come second to the rights of the born. I'm not talking about kids in Africa, I'm talking about why the unborn should be a secondary concern.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP What do you mean by bad because everyone has done wrong things. Just because someone does something wrong that doesn't mean their life is now worthless.
Wow. I find it amazing that you remember knowing you existed when you were born. I don't remember being aware of myself in the womb but I don't remember being aware of myself in the first few days after my birth, either.
Why do the rights of the born come first? Unborn people are no less of a person than they are.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway Everyone's life is worthless. You could die and only the people who cared about you would miss you. The world won't miss you.
Exactly. So it matters to everyone except the future baby whether it will be aborted.
Because they already exist. Would you rather save a car that isn't completely finished yet at the expense of a car that already does exist?
Most will. It's rare that a child is adopted into a loving foster family.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP I disagree that everyone's life is worthless. The amount of people who miss you doesn't define mow much life is worth.
If the baby could understand what was happening to it, then I'm sure it would care very much.
Since cars are inanimate objects, my opinion on them is dramatically different than human life. A car that is in development still exists, it's just not finished yet. Are toddlers less human than adults because they are less developed?
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway That’s why its just better off leaving it legal. A lot more people would die or get hurt if it was illegal. I don’t necessarily believe an abortion should be free unless you honestly have no money. Or I don’t think people should be allowed to use it as birth control, and get an abortion every year!!
dreamergirl01621 1 month ago
@dreamergirl01621 If people are choosing to die because they couldn't kill a baby, that's different than forcefully ending the life of someone. I don't think more people will die if aborting babies is outlawed. Since not aborting babies doesn't really cause anyone to die, that's assuming women will commit suicide because they weren't allowed to abort the baby and I don't think that would happen that often.
But I agree with you that it shouldn't be used as birth control.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway No. Life is worthless regardless of how many people care about it.
What's to care about? Death isn't anything to be afraid of.
An unborn baby isn't a human life, it's an extension of the mother. If it was physically independent of the mother, it may as well be an inanimate object, since it couldn't survive.
It's not a car, though. No, but THEY CAN EXIST WITHOUT BEING CONNECTED TO THEIR MOTHERS. Why do I need to keep repeating myself?
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP You don't need to keep repeating yourself. I understand that you are saying they can't exist without being connected to their mothers. That's right. However, they are a separate life, not part of the mother. At that stage of life, a baby is completely dependent on the mother for survival, but level of dependency has nothing to do with how human someone is.
You say life is worthless, but that is only your opinion. Nothing more.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway Well by then the 6y old is already born and the mother CHOOSE to have it.So its now up to the separate vessel(the child).As for suicide rates while pregnant,they would go up without a shadow of a doubt. so would underground abortions,which cause a load of health problems for the women.We would also have more mental patients because the people who didn’t want to have babies would be going crazy and the people around them would be worried for their mental and physical health.
dreamergirl01621 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway They're about as human as a corpse at that point.
It's fact. Humans have existed for nearly 200,000 years, and yet the average human life is about a century now. It used to be half a century. Life has existed even longer. Considering how short of an existence we live, what makes you think life (more specifically, human lives) are significant?...
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP I disagree that they aren't human. It isn't a fact. That debate continues even today. If I thought they weren't human, I wouldn't care if they were aborted.
I think it's valuable because every person is unique, has feelings and ideas. We may not be here forever, but the present is just as important as the future. We choose how the next generation will live. If we just think about we'll all be gone later, then it doesn't look important. But you can't just rule out the present.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway They aren't fully developed yet. They WILL BE humans.
We live for about 1/4000th to 1/2000th of how long homo sapiens have existed. Currently, there are 7 billion people on the planet. Given that mothers are supposed to care for the welfare of their children (biologically, this isn't a sexist remark), what makes you think the world will miss a few thousand babies?...
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP Being less developed does not mean they are less human or not human at all. Just because the environment inside the womb is different, doesn't mean that people inside the womb aren't people.
It's not that I think the world will miss them. It doesn't matter if they are missed. It matters that we are killing babies because of what we think their lives may be like or because their mother doesn't want them.
MusicofBroadway 1 month ago
@MusicofBroadway Look, it's quite simple. They are a part of the mother's body.
No, they ARE NOT individuals yet.
They aren't people, though. They rely on their mother's body to survive.
Babies can't think or make decisions.
You'd want him to know why he was being killed...that's really naive. Be realistic. You would wait for those 70+ million people to die just so Hitler could know why he's dying? His death would be useless at that point, anyway.
4ingP 1 month ago
@4ingP They already have individual personalities which makes them people, and o they are not part of the mothers body they have their own cells!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover Not part of the mother? Why don't you try severing the umbilical cord before the baby should be born, see how that affects their growth later on.
Cells tell what the fetus is GOING to be. A partially assembled car isn't a car yet.
The "rights" you're thinking of don't exist. People do what they want (that's the only right people have). Other things, living or not, react.
4ingP 4 weeks ago
@4ingP Yes it is dependent on her a difference.
Cells make someone member of a spieces it isn`tcomparable to a car cause machines are based on their capabilities specieses aren`t they are based on genetics.
Yes we are discussing moral rights, what you suggest is naarchism the irght of the strong, well in that case rwape should be legal
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover ...right, the fetus needs to be connected to the mother to survive...and would die if it wasn't a part of the mother...so it isn't an independently living thing yet.
Species are biological machines. They have different capabilities.
I don't suggest that the strong have more rights than the weak. I'm saying that rights that need to be guaranteed by law aren't rights. The only right a person has is to do as he or she pleases. No one has a right to life.
4ingP 4 weeks ago
@4ingP It is independent it is seperate. Wel l then you are supporting the right of the strong cause thery can harm thw weak, greatr can I rape you?? No we all have right to free life!!!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover But it ISN'T separate, it's connected to the mother via the umbilical cord.
You can TRY to rape me. If I let you rape me, it wouldn't really be rape.
Rights are guaranteed. No one can be guaranteed life, or a free life, so life isn't a right.
4ingP 4 weeks ago
@4ingP It is connected yes but it has it`s own organs making it a different seperate from the mother lifeform sipily attached!!!!!
Rights can be tried too preserve!!
freewilllover 4 weeks ago
@freewilllover Look. If something can survive without being connected to its mother, it's an individual. If it's connected to the mother, it's part of the mother.
I don't expect you to understand this, because it seems like English isn't your native language.
Legal rights can be attempted to be preserved. One's natural right doesn't need to be preserved.
4ingP 4 weeks ago
@4ingP No cause it has didfferent organs cells and central nucleus, it is a dependent lifeform but it ia a different lifeform.
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No a right does need to be preserved cause not all people aknowledge this right!!!!
freewilllover 3 weeks ago
@freewilllover Its brain doesn't function yet. A dependent life form is a child. This isn't a child yet.
Exactly. Not everyone acknowledges the right to life, so life isn't a right.
4ingP 3 weeks ago
@4ingP Yes the fetus is dependent also and it has it`s own uniwue selforganised body it isn`t her body.
Oke well not everybody sknowledges the right not to be raped or [plundered or be free, rights aren`t based om opinions you support anarchism!!!!!!
freewilllover 3 weeks ago
@freewilllover A human is an intelligence. A body doesn't make a human.
Look here. If it's possible for someone to take a "right" away, it's not really a right.
4ingP 3 weeks ago
@4ingP No rights are based on MORALS, also no human bewings are those with human genetics babies aren`t intelegent either!!!!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 3 weeks ago
@freewilllover I think you meant to add a comma after "No". Learn better English.
If rights are based on morals, they aren't factual. Everyone's morals are different...so everyone has different rights?
If you didn't see it the first time, I'll say it again. *LEARN BETTER ENGLISH*. "An intelligence" and "Intelligent" DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING.
A human is a personality. A human is a human brain. You're saying that a human corpse is still a human.
4ingP 3 weeks ago
@4ingP No some people are right and the others wrong if you don`t believe in morals why even argue????
freewilllover 3 weeks ago