They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil
Let me translate for you monkeys. Ok God am ready to speak your words. He said all the bitches you capture can marry you cause you have to give back in return your sperm. To read more am gonna write a book it's called The boobies a new testament of Bull Shit. On sale at Amazon for 4 easy payment of $199.99 Sell God and you will be Rich like me.
Who are you in the bible? We are the old testament,full of jealous hate pride know better than everyone ready to beat kill slander do whatever it takes to get one branch higher to feed our ego. Why? Where would Jesus be on this tree? On the ground teaching healing the sick lifting the down trodden feeding the poor covering the naked rebuking the ones in the tree of life. No God is right in front of our eyes hungry poor naked lame crippled. He who is least of himself is the greater.
You are taking it out of context. Shakab (the original word used) means: to lie down, lounge, lie down with (sexually) and rest.
There isn't a proper English word.
Regarding 'eye for eye'. Jesus says that YOU HAVE HEARD IT SAID eye for an eye...but you are to TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
Out of context again...
Bible can say anything you want it to (on either side) when you pick and choose words. And do not rely on the English words in front of you, because OT was written in Hebrew and Aramaic.
@jcwitness It really doesnt matter what language it was in originally, the point is this is what it says in english so this is what english speaking christians are reading and believing to be the 100% true word of god, but really its dangerous in any language
@jcwitness As far as I am concerned, but bible is bull. Some say to take it literally. Others say not to. The new and the old, in english, could very well have nothing to do with what Christianity was intended to do.
Iam a Christian, And ill be the first to admit some Christians can be CRAZY! But the real Christians do not act like that i have an extreme love for my God and my religion. And i don't shove it down throats. I dont hate people that dont follow my religion. There are some Good normal Christians out there. thanks man, I enjoy your perspective dude!
I believe some of your other videos rail against biblical inaccuracies. Why choose now to believe in a literal interpretation? I agree with your interpretation if it is correct but the I wouldn't bet anything on the accuracy of anything in the bible.
An eye for an eye creates perpetual assault. A rapist sent to jail to be raped is an exercise of power, not of justice. If authorities either endorse assault or commit the assault directly, that is hypocrisy. A vengeful act that induces another vengeful act is not the solution. Take the rapist out of society. Maybe throw away the key. Or provide the help needed to both the rapist and the victim. Living with compulsion or desiring revenge is a prison.
Penn, I have a lot of respect for you! I myself am a Christian. See most Atheist live to bash Christians and you don't seem that way. For people that don't know The Bible, this is in the old testament. Shorten things up, God's wrath was on the world, a ton of killing,pillaging,cannibalism pretty much. Just thought I'd share that.Love through Christ!
"... [pruning?] the nails, shaving the head, which I happen to know because of a magic trick we did for Steven Spielberg which I'll tell you about some other time if you'd like to here it."
Um... yes? Does anyone know if there was a video discussing this?
For a slightly clearer representation of the Biblical perspective on rape, you might check out Deuteronomy 22:25 - 22:29 and Judges chapters 19-21. (Note: Not for the faint of heart.)
So umm this whole thing is pre jesus and the whole breaking of the curse. this rule, like with the divorce rule, was designed for the times. women were things not people it was a way of keeping her alive and cared for if you read verse 14 of this. Does it suck? Totally? was god happy with it? probably not but there is the whole lesser of evils here brutally raped after watching carnage and then killed or taken allowed to mourn given a month and then down to the evil bit.
@silverpixieify Not to mention the part about if he was not pleased with her he couldn't sell her or treat her poorly it was a deterrent so much work for a moment of lust.....sad but true. Things are better now those laws no longer apply! it's now love no god above The God and love your neighbor as you would yourself. And he has a very valid point being someone who was raped as much as i would love to drop kick his sorry ass i would never wish that sort of malicious violent insanity on anyone.
We can look at another example - divorce. In Deuteronomy 24:1-3, it has a law concerning how to divorce your wife. So does that mean that the Bible condone divorces? We can see in Matthew 19:4-6 that divorces are not condoned by the Bible. When the Pharisees said to Jesus that Moses allowed them to divorce their wifes according to Deuteronomy, Jesus replied: "Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way."
The key word is "IF" in Deuteronomy 21:11. "If you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her". Anyone would realize that, even before this law was given, that men were attracted to beautiful women that were captives of war. The only reason why this law was given was because before that, captive women were treated even worse, so that a law had to be given. But what about just saying that it is unlawful to take captive women as your wife? Because of the hardness of heart
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
this knuckle head is reading that verse with a 2011 western mentallity, it was the middle east 4000 years ago, woman were not concerned about there rights or being treated equal to men
Well I sure am glad rape is okay and that women didn't really care about rights. You know, because they didn't care about it 4000 years ago. That's great.
Well I'm glad to hear that if another country invaded and killed you, your parents, and kidnapped your sister, so long as they strip her naked, and give her a month to grieve it's totally okay to have sex with her. Because that isn't rape. Nope. Nothing about killing someone's family, kidnapping their daughter against her will, and having sex with her is rape-like at all.
Nice assumption there broheim. Just for future reference, it's "you're." Also you never refuted my point. So I guess that means you concede that rape is okay if you kidnap them during an act of war?
Screw the bible. The whole Jesus story is really about a raped woman who raises a out of wedlock bastard child so she wont be put to death for allowing herself to be raped. Are these the ways of a God? Or the ways of ancient desert tribesmen? You decide.
If I was gang raped, I'd want the mother fuckers to have their junk sawed off with a dull knife. Anybody who would do something like that to somebody doesn't deserve to be treated like a human being, but I also think that somebody would have to be a sicko to be able to carry out the punishment and not be tramatized.
The thing to take into serious consideration is the time periods and the cultures in the Bible. There is a lot that seems bizarre, but the intervention of Christ changed everything for the better. Jesus had so much respect for women.
I don't understand the ancient, Old Testament mindset. God knew what He was doing and He understood the times and the knot-heads He was dealing with. I don't. Living in this modern age of "enlightenment" there are many things the ancients thought was fine that I have a hard time with. Jesus said, "He who is without sin cast the first stone." I don't qualify to through stones. As long as there is life there is hope. Which is best, condemnation or reconciliation?
Think of it this way ... imagine what those jewish warriors would have done to the women if God had NOT permitted them to marry them? Also, consider the fact that the punishment for rape in the Law of Moses was in fact death. "But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die." - Deut. 22:25 God did not want his people to be defiled and he did not want women to be raped and murdered.
@youthpastorJAC I just came across this video on YouTube. My initial thought was that Penn Jillette was a Christian. After watching the video, I see otherwise. You sir I want to thank for clearing up this mess. I was going to post an angry rant about how Penn's interpretation is all jacked up. Then I noticed your message. It calmed me down instantly. I also want to say that Penn scared me when he was smacking the bible toward the end. God Bless.
A few things to remember about Deut. 21:10-14. One, this is the law of Moses, which has been "superseded" or "perfected", if you will, by the new covenant (Hebrews 8:6). In the New Testament a man is not allowed to even lust after another woman, let alone take a 2nd wife. Two, ancient war customs for most cultures at this time would have allowed the rape and murder of the women. Deut. 21 is a HUGE mercy then, since the're permitted to mourn, be married, and even become part of a new people.
it sounds like you all know everything but yet you all know nothing. "jesus was this, no jesus was that. God said this, no God that". one question...name one athiest who've ever started a War in the name of his or her believe? Wars are mainly faught by religion(s).....Muslims, Christians etc. religion is good and equaly bad for mankind. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION...if you don't like it, shit in a cup and eat it.
Key word here everybody, take, as in take her for your wife, as in to pledge one's obedience to; impose (a vow or promise) upon oneself. That is not rape. Here let me explain to you all. God is giving you permission to marry your captive enemy...............
@superbadass10101 Notice, though, how the woman's desire's/wants are not acknowleged or taken into consideration at all. It sounds pretty mysogonistic to me. Why there are sooo many "christian" women in America who apologize for this ancient book of hearsay and superstition is beyond me. They do so at their own peril. These are the women who end up extremely depressed and end up killing their husbands.
I am not a scholar neither that is why I use the dictionary a lot and I have found that the word take has 33 definitions and can be used in over two hundred ways. I can see if you are on the attack, which take, you choice. Kinda like the Bill Clinton diffidence, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is, Bill said..........lol hook line and sinker
@flangenozzle enjoy your stay ! you do realize it will be forever, and just think all you had to was put your pride down long enough to meet Jesus, what a shame...
Nonsense ! You assume that Jesus is the Messiah, when in fact he was neither the Messiah (he failed the 4 tasks of the Messiah) and he made false prophecies (Matthew 24:29 & 34). So Jesus is in fact a false prophet and a false messiah like the Jews say. Worse still, Revelations 22:16 identifies that Jesus is actually Lucifer. You sir, are a devil worshiper.
In Rev 22:16 Jesus is identified as the Bright Morning Star. Isaiah had earlier told us that the fallen son of Yahweh (Satan) was the Bright Morning Star, known in Latin as Lucifer. This explains how Jesus' teachings are so at odds with the OT, they are Satan's words to lead humanity astray, just as the Jews have said all along. That is why Christianity has brought genocide and atrocity everywhere it has ever gone; it is a lasting infernal curse on humanity by Satan.
@raw5069 Your ilk is the reason "christianity" is on the decline and atheism is on the rise in America. Do not expect others to succumb to emotional blackmail the way that you have. You have no proof, other than emotional appeal, to back up your claims. "It's what the Bible says." does not cut it. Any "god" that would expect rigid belief like yours based on ancient hearsay and superstition is a childish prick. Were you created in his image or is it the other way around? Hmmmm.
Hey, you missed the single biggest rape/incest Bible reference - Lot and his daughters. First he offers them to a crowd "young and old alike", to do with as they please, if they will only go away and leave him and his guests alone. Then he gets frisky with them in a cave - the whole "They got me drunk" sounds like a cop out to me! Yet this is supposed to be one of the Holiest men in the Old Testament. Genesis 19.
The Bible was written in a completely different time period. So this needs to be taken into consideration when reading something like that.
Some people are sick and messed up. That is in every culture, race, and religion. Don't let a few sick people dictate your opinions on someone of a certain race, culture or religion.
@NickPech - The problem is, most Christians are of the opinion that the Bible was written by God and they also claim in the same breath that God is eternal and knows all things past, present and future. If this is the case, 'His' word would be as true and as relevant today as it was then. So the whole 'time period' argument doesn't cut it for me, but I don't say this meaning any offense to yourself, of course.
@TheWanderingAngel Well from the Christian perspective God is eternal and all Knowing, powerful etc. Therefore it is still as relevant then as it is today, it is just written in the cultural language of that time period.
@Kw whats also is just plain sad is your statement "your inevitable arrest for sexual assault." being arrested for something in no way implies guilt or wrong doing. thats why we have assumed innocence in this country. your failure to truly grasp the real world and the on paper implementation of that is also just fucking sad. so really do yourself a favor and get an education because you are one of the dumbest bitches I have come across on youtube. you in no way understand how shit actually works
You haven't refuted anything. all you have done is try to twist facts and words around to mean what ever you want them to mean. you say I'm disgusting, but your yupi idea of marriage only being a financial arrangement is far more primitive then anything I typed. you just want it to be rape so woman have the power to get rid of their husbands when ever they want. rape isn't what ever you want it to be. Its not my fault you're a fucking moron. you should try pulling your head out of your ass.
@Kwinnky whats never been marriage? I am sorry but women have always been a HUGE part of marriage. the roles in various societies may have shifted from society and over time but to say they they rarely were apart of the union of marriage is a complete fallacy. my argument hasn't fallen apart at all. applying a logical or a factual fallacy in no way degrades my argument because the application is fake and there for doesn't stick.
@Kwinnky of course I ignored people who marry for mere companionship and asexuals who who marry because that isn't what marriage is. aside from that or not marriage most certainly does imply automatic consent. thats why if there is no consummation of a marriage you can get a marriage annulled because its not been finalized. if a partner decides not to have sex with their spouse, the spouse can divorce on those grounds alone.
@karn33333 for the record I haven't justified rape, you have failed to show how it is rape at all. and even when the law doesn't agree with you, you say the law is primitive and will eventually evolve to what you want it to be. thats just fucking sad.
@Kwinnky marriage is mating for life, you making ridiculous claims its not isn't a valid argument. actually during a marriage you sign over all your property (both parties) to the other. your spouse can walk into any room of the house and take any money you leave lying around and it isn't theft. Why? because without a prenup that SPECIFICALLY SAYS WHATS MINE IS MINE, WHATS THEIRS IS THEIRS BECOMES BOTH PARTIES PROPERTY. psst that's why prenups exist in the first place duh.
@Kwinnky on top of that in a religious marriage when one believes that the "bonds" of marriage creates a "union" of two people it can't be rape because you can not rape yourself. in this sense as well as the other you can not rape your spouse no more then driving a spouses car without expressed permission every single time is grand theft auto. unless there is a prenup you have no leg to stand on this. I haven't tip toed through anything I have been direct as hell.
@Kwinnky sometimes my mail doesn't sort things properly, every once in a while I will go through all the unread messages from bottom to top and notice something that wasn't there before. no its not. first of all that statement implies that only men rape. second of all its not an insult because marital rape isn't really rape at all. its not irrelevant its only irrelevant to you. marriage whether religious in nature or not IS GIVING CONSENT TO SEX BECAUSE MARRIAGE IS MATING FOR LIFE.
@Kwinnky taking a partial quote out of context doesn't prove anything. if the best you have is a logical fallacy just admit defeat and stop wasting my time.
@Kwinnky no I am not wrong. whats written on paper and how the world actually works is two completely different things. simply being accused of a sexual crime automatically stigmatizes the defendent. you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I have been accused of a sexual crime myself as well as have known others who were falsely accused of stuff and every defense attorney who specializes in this will tell you the same thing.
The argument for measured retribution is that people's outcomes in life ought to correspond to their prosocial behaviors. We would want, other things being equal, a person who did their best to follow social rules and build up their community to receive pleasure and comfort; but that sentiment is somewhat diluted if we want the same for people who do the opposite.
@hymnofashes Somewhat diluted, perhaps; maybe this is one of those tight-rope walk situations you encounter here and there...not so bad that the society itself lowers to the standard of the criminal, and not so good that there's no reason not to commit the crime, apart from conscience and social influence.
There are two arguments that could be made for this position, imo;
@hymnofashes One is the forgiveness one. By the time the person is incarcerated, the crime is already done. There is *no* need to repeat it to the perpetrator. I mean, at most it'll make the victim feel better; but by how much? I don't think the memory of the old crime would go away.
@hymnofashes So, in my opinion, it's better to spend resources on trying to make the perpetrator a functioning part of society, rather than indulge in a eye-for-an-eye doctrine, which, as far as I'm aware, won't stop the crimes from happening (people do usually commit them out of desperation, afaik), and will have very little upsides, in comparison to incarceration.
@ExEverest10 Not in comparison to incarceration; I'm sure there are other examples of persons' behaviors being changed, in as succesful, or more so, manner.
@hymno The other argument is from determinism, where there's no such thing as free will, or choice. i.e. there's always a sufficient reason for commiting this, or other, choice, and a person, is in effect, doomed to commit a certain choice, in a given situation, even if there are numerous options. From that point of view, justice is perpetually served, as the people make the choices that are completely justified in regards to their prior experience, brain structure, and current emotional state.
@ExEverest10 Eh... they're reasonable arguments, important parts of the discussion. I just wanted to clarify the rationale behind retributive justice, not defend it here.
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For those of you Christians who think we should castrate rapists or do other such violent retorts to crimes, I urge you read the Bible more carefully. "Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord." Also the character of God is one of Justice tempered with compassion and mercy. Jesus constantly spoke of loving your enemies, forgiving those who commit wrongs against you and letting justice be done by the established powers, not turning it into vengeance. Bible illiteracy is the bane of Christians. Read.
A clarification on this passage: The actions performed by the "would-be" wife of the conquering Jew had to be done by her, notice the wording: "she shall shave her head and pare her nails" not "you shall," The understood is that a man cannot force a woman to marry him. The term "humiliated her" literally means "dishonored her" or "done her dishonor" which means you have wronged her and you have no authority over her which is why you must "let her go where she wills."
Since you like to speak candidly and allow batshit crazy people to comment, here are my two cents on the topic. Rape, abuse, or kill my child, and I will hunt you (generally speaking) down and shoot you in the fucking face again and again and again and again and then I will pull out a large Buck knife and stab you repeatedly in your "cock and balls" until I'm sure your soul is in hell or some place like it. I'm not a Christian, so I can afford to do shit like that! Get my point? From a dad!
As some scholars have noted, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" meant an eye, not both eyes, for an eye, and a tooth, not all 32, for a tooth, and a life, not the whole frakkin' village, for a life.
If the dream was evil and everything that was said was evil why do you feel it was God? God does not take part in evil, for the devil is evil. Be careful not to let the devil deceive you because he will try anything to get you to go against God. what do you think the devils job is? To steal kill and destroy. Therefore God has nothing to do with any of that. Psalm 5 :4 " you are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell. What does the word wicked mean? Look it up an
"and what about all those prophecies that came true...it has some really interesting things about where we are going"
Ok then, do you now finally understand the question? Name a single idea or insight in bible that could not have come from a man without divine inspiration.
"i highly doubt you have ever made a prophetic statement that has ever come to pass"
"he was merely here to give us these insights and then put them to practice"
Why not actually help instead? Don't answer that. I know exactly what your religion teaches, I'm not asking for a bible lesson, I'm asking for ANYTHING that God said that I couldn't have said when I was 9.
If you cannot provide a single idea that supersedes basic human thinking, then we are done. I'm not interested in all your excuses why God had nothing particularly intelligent to say.
What insights and how? That he got along with people? That he fed people? That he made miracles? That he rose from the dead? Maybe if I believed any of that actually happened I might think he was a good role model, but not really all that helpful.
"do something about it genius, we can't so our convo is useless."
About what? The civil wars in Africa? The poverty and war in the world? I'm afraid that will require ACTUAL insight and not just meaningless, childish, and ADMITTED idiotic sentences of no value like "be nice to each other."
I'll go to Africa with your divine insight and see how much change it instigates. Good thing God is here to guide us with these brilliant instructions.
"you ask me to provide and insight that only a genius or prophet could come up with, and not a child right?"
No, then Einstein's Relativity would qualify when that is most certainly of human origin. I asked for something that could not have come from humans by themselves, and instead required divine insight.
"There is enough food for everybody but we won't properly share" is essentially what you offered. ANY human being could recognize that on their own.
and what did that girl do in the first place to be humiliated? if there is a god, i seriously can't wait till judgment day so i can say FUCK YOU to his face before he sends me to hell. lol
OK genius, lets put Occam's Razor to the test. What we have is the sentence "can't we all just get along". Now what do you think the simplest explanation is of where that sentence came from?
A human being, or an invisible, intangible, unknowable spirit force that permeates everything?
And are you seriously telling me you refrain from abusing animals only because God said something similar to "cant we all just get along"?
@tylerdurden666able Do you have the foggiest idea about what we were talking about?
The simplest explanation is usually the right one, therefore "can't we all get along" came from God and not man?
How does that make even the tiniest bit of sense?
My request was to provide a single insight or idea in the bible that could not have come from uneducated, first century fishermen and goat herders, and that instead required divine insight.
what i always find funny are the people who say "They should do the same thing to them". Who are "they" exactly? Elected officials? Salaried prison guards? Who trains the prison guards and writes the torture manuals exactly? I don't think i'd want my tax dollars going to some lunatics who would sign up for such a gig.
Also, wouldn't an "eye for an eye" mean that you just rape a rapist and let him go. Since that would be even? I for one would rather have them away from of society
Since the begining of time Man has Worshiped something!!!!! It's built into us to do so!!!!! And you too. Unfortunately, you worship at the alter of denial. You deny God, you deny his power and existence. (I dont say this to look down on you, I've been in the same place) I don't know you and don't pretend to. But at first glance dening God seems to be your passion! I have been where you are (to a degree) I'm asking you for a week take 10 min a day to Challenge GOD to show himself to be real!
You don't have to be a Christian to be a good person (you and Oprah are good examples of that) you don't an Atheist to be a bad person. (there are a lot of people Jews and Christians alike myself inclued that are good examples of that)
the example you gave in deut 21:10 was for THAT TIME a kind way to act.
When all country ,not just Israel, took concubine's as "Spoils of War".
That was a differant age, but one thing that has remained through out the ages...
Once again, a Bible verse is misinterpreted. It does NOT intend to mean rape. The shaving of hair and trimming of nails could be easily interpreted to giving the captive a clean look so that she would look too well kept to be a captive and become noticed. You have to be open-minded while reading the Bible and not out to prove it wrong.
It's legalized and institutionalized rape of women ravished as booty from conquered lands. It describes the things you must and must not do along with options of what you may do to captured women. Shave her head, cut her nails, let her morn the loss of her family for a month, rape the hell out of her (she has no say in this and was kidnapped, so rape), and if you like her you can marry her, but if you don't you can set her free (no selling as with regular slaves/captives).
It does not mean rape. No matter what, this world will always criticize something no matter what it is. Jesus was PERFECT and what happened to him? We brutally killed him. The Bible is PERFECT and without flaw, and having a personal relationship with Jesus through the gift of Salvation is what life is all about. Having people like Penn bash the Bible does not surprise me, but it does disappoint me. Read Romans 10:9-10. Accept Jesus Christ today and receive Eternal Life! :)
If the Bible is indeed PERFECT, why so many contradictions? Like in JOHN 10:30 - I and my Father are one. But in JOHN 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. And that's an important passage in one book contradicting itself a little bit later in the same book. Google "Bible Contradictions" and view much more.
The Greek word for "greater" is MEGAS. It has the idea of "big in stature, great, mighty, and high."This helps us to understand Jesus' comment. God the Father was greater at that time. He was in heaven in His glory. Jesus was on earth in human flesh. Jesus was modeling obedience as a human should obey God-for us. Man must obey God. Jesus was committed to showing us what that looked like.While here on earth Jesus showed us how to submit. I pray that you would give the Bible a chance.
The why did Jesus claim He was equal Yaweh? Your spin does not justify the contradiction.
- God CAN be seen: "And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11, 23).
- God CANNOT be seen: "No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18), "And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20), "Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)
And I gave the Bible a chance for decades of study.
Read on, apologist! Exodus 33: 23 - "And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." This directly contradicts the above earlier face-to-face conversation and also with the passages that claim that no man can see God. Apparently, God will allow you to look at His ass, but those other passages did not make that qualifier. The problem I have with the Bible is that is a morass of insane rules/statements & contradictions.
"Face to face" means at a personal level. If that's the best thing you can come up with to rebuke the Bible out of 31,102 verses, that in itself is prove that the Bible is infallible.
Let me play offense. If God doesn't exist, how did we get here? "The Big Bang Theory?" Magically some "stuff exploded" that nobody created? It all just existed and somehow the world evolved perfectly? My geology professor even said that a Creator must exist. And he has a doctorate in geology.
No, that example was the first I came up with to list within the 480 words in these little text boxes. Didn't include (John 6:46) "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God [Jesus], he hath seen the Father."
I could have also gone with this: (James 1:13) "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." vs (Genesis 22:1) "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
And as for "how did we get here," then if people cannot figure it out, then obviously Yaweh did it, as opposed to other gods or natural methods, such as the Big Bang. Often maligned, but that theory has many facts that reinforce it where mountains of geological facts refute Genesis, such as simpler fossils are found in deeper strata where it should be a jumble of modern and ancient animals (rabbits, birds and dinosaurs at the same level). Planted to sew disbelief?
Both sides, atheist or Christian, require Faith. It just depends on whom you put your Faith in, God or man? I enjoyed talking with you. Take care and never stop thinking...
it sounds contradicting. says how if you like a girl take her and keep her locked up basically then rape her repedally . and yes this would be rape because the woman wouldnt make her self captive. then if you get tired of her just toss her aside . who cares how much you've abused her. women dont matter in the religion world. were just objects who should let you do what you want to and be your sex slave. GOD is HITLER and ppl who fallow him are nazzi's and brain washed by there parents as kids.
You are just in all you say. That person is not being christlike in the least. However, you are mistaken in defining old testament law as christian law. Christianity, or at least myself as a christian, uses te ils testament as a book of histories. It largely documents the jewish heritage tracing to Jesus. However, Christ came and he became the way. No longer do we follow the old testament law.
Luke 6:27- "But I say to you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to tose who hate you"
@cfrew92 Um, and it still is supposed to warm my heart that that was EVER the law? And that it takes God to sacrifice his son, who is really Himself, to have some mercy on his ''children''?
Are Christians still bound by Jewish law? * Yes - "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17) * No - "Now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the spirit." (Romans 7:6) Also see Ephesians 2:14-15.
Others split the difference and say Jesus satisfied the sacrificial laws.
Incidentally, my understanding is based on my PMEs (personal Mystical - trans-personal and transcendental - Experiences), and the understanding attained from these experiences is the basis of my Libertarianism as well.
There are some of us that "believe" in a Higher Power/Being (I personally shy away from theism, and consider myself a Non-Theist) have a view of the Holy Scriptures as "a threshing flail that separates the Wheat from the Chaff." Those who justify and commit actions that violate another's nature or rights (the first "gift" of which is Free Will) are the signs that that person has fallen from the truth, let alone misunderstood Scripture. There are two Ways, the way of Life and death (Deut. 30:15)
For the ancient Hebrews, "wives" were property, chattel, slaves. To rape a man's wife in the OT was a crime against her HUSBAND, just as if you had sex with his mule.
578th comment. No one will see this but here goes..
" You have heard it said, but I say to you"
Jesus came as a fulfillment of the law, when He taught he taught as one with authority, " I say pray for your enemies, do good to those who use you"
Out with the old in with the new as they say..
Is it any wonder why they killed him ? Love, Forgivness, Salvation through him and him alone, not the law ? A message of change . People dont like change. :)
@TheGreatRL How bout "I used to THINK I was a christian. Then I read the bible." If you were so shocked by the old testament I doubt you ever knew God.
@johnnyaplseed2121 No. I actually was a christian. Then I read all the rape, murder, slaughter, and slavery that God says is ok. Killing your neighbor who works on Sunday is ok but abortion is bad??!!?? gtfo.
@TheGreatRL So your problem isn't not believing in God, it's you don't like what he has to say? (I'm just clarifying) I guess my point is, most of the Old testament it to clarify how holy and and above us God is. He is serious in his laws. That's what makes Jesus such a big deal. I just don't see how you could have been a christian but not have understood this about God. I don't want this to seem like another youtube debate, I'm just explaining my point.
@johnnyaplseed2121 i never said I didn't believe in God. I said I don't believe in religion. How can you read the bible and still think that if this is God's true word, then he still is all loving and shit?
@TheGreatRL Yeah I think I specified all that in my last comment, I don't think many of us, not even me, realize how detestable sin is to God, it's completely against his nature, he sees its evilness and he hates it, part of the reason he was so hard on the Isrealites in the Old Testament is because he is using them as his chosen people so they must remain holy, and through them comes slavation so he is being impartial
@johnnyaplseed2121 So you still think God is all loving even though he says you must kill anyone that works on Sunday? Not even do the murder himself but make you break one of the commandments and have you do it!!!
@TheGreatRL Woe bud, I am no longer held to the law thank you to Mr. Jesus of Nazareth, that's old covenant stuff. The sabbath was the way to recognize God's creation of the earth, it went beyond him being a control freak, it was to bring recognition and holiness of his act.
@TheGreatRL Okay, I just want you to know, you bring a valid issue I just think it goes deeper than whats on the outside, and I encourage you to go deeper into your questions and search for solution. Try to put yourself in God's shoes in certain things
@johnnyaplseed2121 Do you still think God is all loving even though he says to kill your neighbor if we works on Sunday? (Ironically its the same book that contains the ten commandments)
@johnnyaplseed2121 What a dirty comment to make to @TheGreat RL. You claim to know God then judge a non believer with that comment, which biblically speaking you cannot do. You claim to know God then make such a simple mistake. Lol
@johnnyaplseed2121@TheGreatRL said “I used to be a Christian. Then I read the bible.” You replied “How bout "I used to THINK I was a Christian. Then I read the bible." If you were so shocked by the old testament I doubt you ever knew God“.Your statement is well out of order.You don’t know what his or my relationship was with God was/is or how devout he or I was,to make such a hurtful statement is wrong.Debate is fine,being hurtful is wrong.
TD;LR
sofargone915 1 month ago
Bronze age text as advice for twenty first century living?
TallTeeth 1 month ago
They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil
-Judges 5:30
LerkurlianTamer 1 month ago
Let me translate for you monkeys. Ok God am ready to speak your words. He said all the bitches you capture can marry you cause you have to give back in return your sperm. To read more am gonna write a book it's called The boobies a new testament of Bull Shit. On sale at Amazon for 4 easy payment of $199.99 Sell God and you will be Rich like me.
ShinWR1 1 month ago
HEY HEY HEY! dont forget that the bible says if you rape a girl the punishment (according to the bible) is to marry here. Shoulda used that one!
whwsjackfrost 1 month ago
Who are you in the bible? We are the old testament,full of jealous hate pride know better than everyone ready to beat kill slander do whatever it takes to get one branch higher to feed our ego. Why? Where would Jesus be on this tree? On the ground teaching healing the sick lifting the down trodden feeding the poor covering the naked rebuking the ones in the tree of life. No God is right in front of our eyes hungry poor naked lame crippled. He who is least of himself is the greater.
liellibg 2 months ago
An eye for an eye makes the world go blind
TheOriginalNathanOSU 2 months ago
1.Kidnap a woman from war of choose
2.Shave her head against her will
3.Marry her
How is this not rape? This is from the creator of the universe? And why shave her head?
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
You are taking it out of context. Shakab (the original word used) means: to lie down, lounge, lie down with (sexually) and rest.
There isn't a proper English word.
Regarding 'eye for eye'. Jesus says that YOU HAVE HEARD IT SAID eye for an eye...but you are to TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
Out of context again...
Bible can say anything you want it to (on either side) when you pick and choose words. And do not rely on the English words in front of you, because OT was written in Hebrew and Aramaic.
jcwitness 3 months ago
@jcwitness It really doesnt matter what language it was in originally, the point is this is what it says in english so this is what english speaking christians are reading and believing to be the 100% true word of god, but really its dangerous in any language
SigmaSigmaGnarly 3 months ago
@jcwitness As far as I am concerned, but bible is bull. Some say to take it literally. Others say not to. The new and the old, in english, could very well have nothing to do with what Christianity was intended to do.
TheOriginalNathanOSU 2 months ago
the biblical god is a vile creature...
gettyz 4 months ago
Iam a Christian, And ill be the first to admit some Christians can be CRAZY! But the real Christians do not act like that i have an extreme love for my God and my religion. And i don't shove it down throats. I dont hate people that dont follow my religion. There are some Good normal Christians out there. thanks man, I enjoy your perspective dude!
CHICKENNNNNNNNN 4 months ago
I believe some of your other videos rail against biblical inaccuracies. Why choose now to believe in a literal interpretation? I agree with your interpretation if it is correct but the I wouldn't bet anything on the accuracy of anything in the bible.
misterbmr 4 months ago
An eye for an eye creates perpetual assault. A rapist sent to jail to be raped is an exercise of power, not of justice. If authorities either endorse assault or commit the assault directly, that is hypocrisy. A vengeful act that induces another vengeful act is not the solution. Take the rapist out of society. Maybe throw away the key. Or provide the help needed to both the rapist and the victim. Living with compulsion or desiring revenge is a prison.
misterbmr 4 months ago
"...seems there's some euphemisms there"
MFRedeemerp2 4 months ago
Penn, I have a lot of respect for you! I myself am a Christian. See most Atheist live to bash Christians and you don't seem that way. For people that don't know The Bible, this is in the old testament. Shorten things up, God's wrath was on the world, a ton of killing,pillaging,cannibalism pretty much. Just thought I'd share that.Love through Christ!
ziggysax0607 5 months ago
LMAO about the tangent about the masturbating crucifix wearing guy in a school girl outfit.
danielmrussell 5 months ago 5
"... [pruning?] the nails, shaving the head, which I happen to know because of a magic trick we did for Steven Spielberg which I'll tell you about some other time if you'd like to here it."
Um... yes? Does anyone know if there was a video discussing this?
coreygames 5 months ago
For a slightly clearer representation of the Biblical perspective on rape, you might check out Deuteronomy 22:25 - 22:29 and Judges chapters 19-21. (Note: Not for the faint of heart.)
meteryam 5 months ago
So umm this whole thing is pre jesus and the whole breaking of the curse. this rule, like with the divorce rule, was designed for the times. women were things not people it was a way of keeping her alive and cared for if you read verse 14 of this. Does it suck? Totally? was god happy with it? probably not but there is the whole lesser of evils here brutally raped after watching carnage and then killed or taken allowed to mourn given a month and then down to the evil bit.
silverpixieify 6 months ago
@silverpixieify Not to mention the part about if he was not pleased with her he couldn't sell her or treat her poorly it was a deterrent so much work for a moment of lust.....sad but true. Things are better now those laws no longer apply! it's now love no god above The God and love your neighbor as you would yourself. And he has a very valid point being someone who was raped as much as i would love to drop kick his sorry ass i would never wish that sort of malicious violent insanity on anyone.
silverpixieify 6 months ago
@silverpixieify * it's late i apologize for the lack of punctuation
silverpixieify 6 months ago
We can look at another example - divorce. In Deuteronomy 24:1-3, it has a law concerning how to divorce your wife. So does that mean that the Bible condone divorces? We can see in Matthew 19:4-6 that divorces are not condoned by the Bible. When the Pharisees said to Jesus that Moses allowed them to divorce their wifes according to Deuteronomy, Jesus replied: "Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way."
hermanenwang1 6 months ago
The key word is "IF" in Deuteronomy 21:11. "If you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her". Anyone would realize that, even before this law was given, that men were attracted to beautiful women that were captives of war. The only reason why this law was given was because before that, captive women were treated even worse, so that a law had to be given. But what about just saying that it is unlawful to take captive women as your wife? Because of the hardness of heart
hermanenwang1 6 months ago
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If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Of course...she has no say in the matter.
TheRakuul88 6 months ago
this knuckle head is reading that verse with a 2011 western mentallity, it was the middle east 4000 years ago, woman were not concerned about there rights or being treated equal to men
sanctifiedbytruth 6 months ago
@sanctifiedbytruth
Well I sure am glad rape is okay and that women didn't really care about rights. You know, because they didn't care about it 4000 years ago. That's great.
blackup4 6 months ago
@blackup4 you cant "rape" the willing. these woman were more then happy to be with them, marriage was what they looked forward to
sanctifiedbytruth 6 months ago
@sanctifiedbytruth
Well I'm glad to hear that if another country invaded and killed you, your parents, and kidnapped your sister, so long as they strip her naked, and give her a month to grieve it's totally okay to have sex with her. Because that isn't rape. Nope. Nothing about killing someone's family, kidnapping their daughter against her will, and having sex with her is rape-like at all.
blackup4 6 months ago
@blackup4 its simple your a god hater, just looking for excuses not to follow the lord, just remember you wont live forever
sanctifiedbytruth 6 months ago
@sanctifiedbytruth
Nice assumption there broheim. Just for future reference, it's "you're." Also you never refuted my point. So I guess that means you concede that rape is okay if you kidnap them during an act of war?
blackup4 6 months ago
is so easy to sense the hate this man has for christ, why dont he pick on santa claus?
sanctifiedbytruth 6 months ago
@sanctifiedbytruth What's the difference?
Pyrela 6 months ago
Screw the bible. The whole Jesus story is really about a raped woman who raises a out of wedlock bastard child so she wont be put to death for allowing herself to be raped. Are these the ways of a God? Or the ways of ancient desert tribesmen? You decide.
JabberCT 7 months ago
@JabberCT no such thing as atheist, just god haters
sanctifiedbytruth 6 months ago
If I was gang raped, I'd want the mother fuckers to have their junk sawed off with a dull knife. Anybody who would do something like that to somebody doesn't deserve to be treated like a human being, but I also think that somebody would have to be a sicko to be able to carry out the punishment and not be tramatized.
Primalxbeast 7 months ago
christians believe in an eye for an eye... but its all about forgiveness! forget it lads, religions over, its fucked, its fucking over!!
elstroshitnonstop 7 months ago
I do not agree with everything Penn says. I never met him either, but I use his razors.
samh09 7 months ago
The thing to take into serious consideration is the time periods and the cultures in the Bible. There is a lot that seems bizarre, but the intervention of Christ changed everything for the better. Jesus had so much respect for women.
laurenashleysexton 7 months ago
the idea of what "God" does and wants always changes depending on who's in power.
Wesleyfromindy2 7 months ago
I don't understand the ancient, Old Testament mindset. God knew what He was doing and He understood the times and the knot-heads He was dealing with. I don't. Living in this modern age of "enlightenment" there are many things the ancients thought was fine that I have a hard time with. Jesus said, "He who is without sin cast the first stone." I don't qualify to through stones. As long as there is life there is hope. Which is best, condemnation or reconciliation?
twd58 8 months ago
Think of it this way ... imagine what those jewish warriors would have done to the women if God had NOT permitted them to marry them? Also, consider the fact that the punishment for rape in the Law of Moses was in fact death. "But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die." - Deut. 22:25 God did not want his people to be defiled and he did not want women to be raped and murdered.
youthpastorJAC 8 months ago 2
@youthpastorJAC
then why does God approve of rape in all these scriptures:
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Exodus 21:7-11
Numbers 31:7-18
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Exodus 21:7-11
911truthandjustice 2 months ago
@youthpastorJAC I just came across this video on YouTube. My initial thought was that Penn Jillette was a Christian. After watching the video, I see otherwise. You sir I want to thank for clearing up this mess. I was going to post an angry rant about how Penn's interpretation is all jacked up. Then I noticed your message. It calmed me down instantly. I also want to say that Penn scared me when he was smacking the bible toward the end. God Bless.
topcityres 1 month ago
A few things to remember about Deut. 21:10-14. One, this is the law of Moses, which has been "superseded" or "perfected", if you will, by the new covenant (Hebrews 8:6). In the New Testament a man is not allowed to even lust after another woman, let alone take a 2nd wife. Two, ancient war customs for most cultures at this time would have allowed the rape and murder of the women. Deut. 21 is a HUGE mercy then, since the're permitted to mourn, be married, and even become part of a new people.
youthpastorJAC 8 months ago 2
Gang rape? Sorry Penn, execution seems fitting.
papermermaid 8 months ago
humility is a desirable quality to the isrealites/christians
tyryte 8 months ago
it sounds like you all know everything but yet you all know nothing. "jesus was this, no jesus was that. God said this, no God that". one question...name one athiest who've ever started a War in the name of his or her believe? Wars are mainly faught by religion(s).....Muslims, Christians etc. religion is good and equaly bad for mankind. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION...if you don't like it, shit in a cup and eat it.
spraga1977 8 months ago
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Key word here everybody, take, as in take her for your wife, as in to pledge one's obedience to; impose (a vow or promise) upon oneself. That is not rape. Here let me explain to you all. God is giving you permission to marry your captive enemy...............
superbadass10101 8 months ago
@superbadass10101 Notice, though, how the woman's desire's/wants are not acknowleged or taken into consideration at all. It sounds pretty mysogonistic to me. Why there are sooo many "christian" women in America who apologize for this ancient book of hearsay and superstition is beyond me. They do so at their own peril. These are the women who end up extremely depressed and end up killing their husbands.
richwfd2002 8 months ago
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I am not a scholar neither that is why I use the dictionary a lot and I have found that the word take has 33 definitions and can be used in over two hundred ways. I can see if you are on the attack, which take, you choice. Kinda like the Bill Clinton diffidence, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is, Bill said..........lol hook line and sinker
superbadass10101 8 months ago
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superbadass10101 8 months ago
I respectfully wish for you, sir, Penn, to correct yourself as do I agree most of the time with you.
superbadass10101 8 months ago
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superbadass10101 8 months ago
this guy is on his way to hell, and wants to drag as many of you as he can with him. plain and simple !
raw5069 9 months ago
@raw5069 Happy to go to hell with him! Better that than a brainwashed rapist :p
flangenozzle 9 months ago 2
@flangenozzle enjoy your stay ! you do realize it will be forever, and just think all you had to was put your pride down long enough to meet Jesus, what a shame...
raw5069 9 months ago
@raw5069
Nonsense ! You assume that Jesus is the Messiah, when in fact he was neither the Messiah (he failed the 4 tasks of the Messiah) and he made false prophecies (Matthew 24:29 & 34). So Jesus is in fact a false prophet and a false messiah like the Jews say. Worse still, Revelations 22:16 identifies that Jesus is actually Lucifer. You sir, are a devil worshiper.
formless777 9 months ago
@formless777 how in the world does revelations 22:16 identify Jesus as Lucifer. Jesus is a descendant of David. Just read Matthew 1
shbratt54 9 months ago
@shbratt54
In Rev 22:16 Jesus is identified as the Bright Morning Star. Isaiah had earlier told us that the fallen son of Yahweh (Satan) was the Bright Morning Star, known in Latin as Lucifer. This explains how Jesus' teachings are so at odds with the OT, they are Satan's words to lead humanity astray, just as the Jews have said all along. That is why Christianity has brought genocide and atrocity everywhere it has ever gone; it is a lasting infernal curse on humanity by Satan.
formless777 9 months ago
@formless777 I have no time to give to trolls such as you sir
raw5069 9 months ago
@raw5069 Your ilk is the reason "christianity" is on the decline and atheism is on the rise in America. Do not expect others to succumb to emotional blackmail the way that you have. You have no proof, other than emotional appeal, to back up your claims. "It's what the Bible says." does not cut it. Any "god" that would expect rigid belief like yours based on ancient hearsay and superstition is a childish prick. Were you created in his image or is it the other way around? Hmmmm.
richwfd2002 8 months ago
@richwfd2002 your not worth my time ...sorry
raw5069 8 months ago
@raw5069 Poor, scared, little baby. At least use the brains that god supposedly gave you and learn how to spell....
richwfd2002 8 months ago
Hey, you missed the single biggest rape/incest Bible reference - Lot and his daughters. First he offers them to a crowd "young and old alike", to do with as they please, if they will only go away and leave him and his guests alone. Then he gets frisky with them in a cave - the whole "They got me drunk" sounds like a cop out to me! Yet this is supposed to be one of the Holiest men in the Old Testament. Genesis 19.
jayajaye 9 months ago
The Bible was written in a completely different time period. So this needs to be taken into consideration when reading something like that.
Some people are sick and messed up. That is in every culture, race, and religion. Don't let a few sick people dictate your opinions on someone of a certain race, culture or religion.
NickPech 10 months ago
@NickPech - The problem is, most Christians are of the opinion that the Bible was written by God and they also claim in the same breath that God is eternal and knows all things past, present and future. If this is the case, 'His' word would be as true and as relevant today as it was then. So the whole 'time period' argument doesn't cut it for me, but I don't say this meaning any offense to yourself, of course.
TheWanderingAngel 9 months ago 2
@TheWanderingAngel Well from the Christian perspective God is eternal and all Knowing, powerful etc. Therefore it is still as relevant then as it is today, it is just written in the cultural language of that time period.
NickPech 9 months ago
@Kw whats also is just plain sad is your statement "your inevitable arrest for sexual assault." being arrested for something in no way implies guilt or wrong doing. thats why we have assumed innocence in this country. your failure to truly grasp the real world and the on paper implementation of that is also just fucking sad. so really do yourself a favor and get an education because you are one of the dumbest bitches I have come across on youtube. you in no way understand how shit actually works
karn33333 10 months ago
You haven't refuted anything. all you have done is try to twist facts and words around to mean what ever you want them to mean. you say I'm disgusting, but your yupi idea of marriage only being a financial arrangement is far more primitive then anything I typed. you just want it to be rape so woman have the power to get rid of their husbands when ever they want. rape isn't what ever you want it to be. Its not my fault you're a fucking moron. you should try pulling your head out of your ass.
karn33333 10 months ago
@Kwinnky whats never been marriage? I am sorry but women have always been a HUGE part of marriage. the roles in various societies may have shifted from society and over time but to say they they rarely were apart of the union of marriage is a complete fallacy. my argument hasn't fallen apart at all. applying a logical or a factual fallacy in no way degrades my argument because the application is fake and there for doesn't stick.
karn33333 10 months ago
@Kwinnky of course I ignored people who marry for mere companionship and asexuals who who marry because that isn't what marriage is. aside from that or not marriage most certainly does imply automatic consent. thats why if there is no consummation of a marriage you can get a marriage annulled because its not been finalized. if a partner decides not to have sex with their spouse, the spouse can divorce on those grounds alone.
karn33333 10 months ago
@karn33333 for the record I haven't justified rape, you have failed to show how it is rape at all. and even when the law doesn't agree with you, you say the law is primitive and will eventually evolve to what you want it to be. thats just fucking sad.
karn33333 10 months ago
@Kwinnky marriage is mating for life, you making ridiculous claims its not isn't a valid argument. actually during a marriage you sign over all your property (both parties) to the other. your spouse can walk into any room of the house and take any money you leave lying around and it isn't theft. Why? because without a prenup that SPECIFICALLY SAYS WHATS MINE IS MINE, WHATS THEIRS IS THEIRS BECOMES BOTH PARTIES PROPERTY. psst that's why prenups exist in the first place duh.
karn33333 10 months ago
@Kwinnky yes it is out of context because you only used half a quote and then you turned what I said to mean something other then intended.
karn33333 10 months ago
@Kwinnky on top of that in a religious marriage when one believes that the "bonds" of marriage creates a "union" of two people it can't be rape because you can not rape yourself. in this sense as well as the other you can not rape your spouse no more then driving a spouses car without expressed permission every single time is grand theft auto. unless there is a prenup you have no leg to stand on this. I haven't tip toed through anything I have been direct as hell.
karn33333 10 months ago
@Kwinnky sometimes my mail doesn't sort things properly, every once in a while I will go through all the unread messages from bottom to top and notice something that wasn't there before. no its not. first of all that statement implies that only men rape. second of all its not an insult because marital rape isn't really rape at all. its not irrelevant its only irrelevant to you. marriage whether religious in nature or not IS GIVING CONSENT TO SEX BECAUSE MARRIAGE IS MATING FOR LIFE.
karn33333 10 months ago
@Kwinnky taking a partial quote out of context doesn't prove anything. if the best you have is a logical fallacy just admit defeat and stop wasting my time.
karn33333 10 months ago
@Kwinnky no I am not wrong. whats written on paper and how the world actually works is two completely different things. simply being accused of a sexual crime automatically stigmatizes the defendent. you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I have been accused of a sexual crime myself as well as have known others who were falsely accused of stuff and every defense attorney who specializes in this will tell you the same thing.
karn33333 10 months ago
Wife implies something better than sex slave doesn't it. Look up what the bible says about how to treat a wife.
tfwoods3 10 months ago
here's a thought youtube, if you're not capable of loading the video right now, don't give me the fucking language warning!!
gramamge33 10 months ago
fuck sony....fuck crackle....long live penn!!!!
sethmusic 11 months ago
The argument for measured retribution is that people's outcomes in life ought to correspond to their prosocial behaviors. We would want, other things being equal, a person who did their best to follow social rules and build up their community to receive pleasure and comfort; but that sentiment is somewhat diluted if we want the same for people who do the opposite.
hymnofashes 11 months ago
@hymnofashes Somewhat diluted, perhaps; maybe this is one of those tight-rope walk situations you encounter here and there...not so bad that the society itself lowers to the standard of the criminal, and not so good that there's no reason not to commit the crime, apart from conscience and social influence.
There are two arguments that could be made for this position, imo;
ExEverest10 10 months ago
@hymnofashes One is the forgiveness one. By the time the person is incarcerated, the crime is already done. There is *no* need to repeat it to the perpetrator. I mean, at most it'll make the victim feel better; but by how much? I don't think the memory of the old crime would go away.
ExEverest10 10 months ago
@hymnofashes So, in my opinion, it's better to spend resources on trying to make the perpetrator a functioning part of society, rather than indulge in a eye-for-an-eye doctrine, which, as far as I'm aware, won't stop the crimes from happening (people do usually commit them out of desperation, afaik), and will have very little upsides, in comparison to incarceration.
ExEverest10 10 months ago
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ExEverest10 10 months ago
@ExEverest10 Not in comparison to incarceration; I'm sure there are other examples of persons' behaviors being changed, in as succesful, or more so, manner.
ExEverest10 10 months ago
@hymno The other argument is from determinism, where there's no such thing as free will, or choice. i.e. there's always a sufficient reason for commiting this, or other, choice, and a person, is in effect, doomed to commit a certain choice, in a given situation, even if there are numerous options. From that point of view, justice is perpetually served, as the people make the choices that are completely justified in regards to their prior experience, brain structure, and current emotional state.
ExEverest10 10 months ago
@ExEverest10 Eh... they're reasonable arguments, important parts of the discussion. I just wanted to clarify the rationale behind retributive justice, not defend it here.
hymnofashes 10 months ago
Pennsays "Visit crackle dot com"
penn says, "I'm not a marketing whore, I defeat AdBlock plus"
Pennsays Advertisements=Money. I want to get paid to share my views. You're willing to sponsor (or pay, same difference) me to spout off my opinions , I'll do it every second day. WHERE'S THE MONEY.
Shawnruss 11 months ago
religon is a double eged sword.................
cvpkid 11 months ago
plenty of other examples of yahweh condoning rape in that book
shnosmas 11 months ago
For those of you Christians who think we should castrate rapists or do other such violent retorts to crimes, I urge you read the Bible more carefully. "Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord." Also the character of God is one of Justice tempered with compassion and mercy. Jesus constantly spoke of loving your enemies, forgiving those who commit wrongs against you and letting justice be done by the established powers, not turning it into vengeance. Bible illiteracy is the bane of Christians. Read.
NochrA 11 months ago
A clarification on this passage: The actions performed by the "would-be" wife of the conquering Jew had to be done by her, notice the wording: "she shall shave her head and pare her nails" not "you shall," The understood is that a man cannot force a woman to marry him. The term "humiliated her" literally means "dishonored her" or "done her dishonor" which means you have wronged her and you have no authority over her which is why you must "let her go where she wills."
NochrA 11 months ago
Since you like to speak candidly and allow batshit crazy people to comment, here are my two cents on the topic. Rape, abuse, or kill my child, and I will hunt you (generally speaking) down and shoot you in the fucking face again and again and again and again and then I will pull out a large Buck knife and stab you repeatedly in your "cock and balls" until I'm sure your soul is in hell or some place like it. I'm not a Christian, so I can afford to do shit like that! Get my point? From a dad!
caleab27 1 year ago
As some scholars have noted, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" meant an eye, not both eyes, for an eye, and a tooth, not all 32, for a tooth, and a life, not the whole frakkin' village, for a life.
JBofBrisbane 1 year ago
If the dream was evil and everything that was said was evil why do you feel it was God? God does not take part in evil, for the devil is evil. Be careful not to let the devil deceive you because he will try anything to get you to go against God. what do you think the devils job is? To steal kill and destroy. Therefore God has nothing to do with any of that. Psalm 5 :4 " you are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell. What does the word wicked mean? Look it up an
ttmrdeaton12 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able
Sounds like I'm going to be watching a lot of CNN.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able
"if you want to know what i have been shown i will tell you."
Is it the Muslims using children to blow up a UK school?
Tell your sister congratulations.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able
"in two years when bible prophecy comes true"
TWO YEARS??? PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE ELABORATE!!!!
I cannot wait to hear this.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able
"and what about all those prophecies that came true...it has some really interesting things about where we are going"
Ok then, do you now finally understand the question? Name a single idea or insight in bible that could not have come from a man without divine inspiration.
"i highly doubt you have ever made a prophetic statement that has ever come to pass"
In 500 years, cancer will be cured.
In 500 years, cancer won't be cured.
I just made ONE!
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able
"he was merely here to give us these insights and then put them to practice"
Why not actually help instead? Don't answer that. I know exactly what your religion teaches, I'm not asking for a bible lesson, I'm asking for ANYTHING that God said that I couldn't have said when I was 9.
If you cannot provide a single idea that supersedes basic human thinking, then we are done. I'm not interested in all your excuses why God had nothing particularly intelligent to say.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
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@tylerdurden666able
I'm not interested in you telling me what a book says. I know what it says, and it says NOTHING that any mere human being couldn't say.
"if your so smart then solve the problem right now with you divine insights"
Do you even try to make sense when you speak?
"you would never doubt it or put it down. or make fun of his brilliantness "
What brilliance? His Rodney King one liner? Are you actually being serious? That's all it takes for you?
Wow.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able
"he actually applied these insights."
What insights and how? That he got along with people? That he fed people? That he made miracles? That he rose from the dead? Maybe if I believed any of that actually happened I might think he was a good role model, but not really all that helpful.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able
"do something about it genius, we can't so our convo is useless."
About what? The civil wars in Africa? The poverty and war in the world? I'm afraid that will require ACTUAL insight and not just meaningless, childish, and ADMITTED idiotic sentences of no value like "be nice to each other."
I'll go to Africa with your divine insight and see how much change it instigates. Good thing God is here to guide us with these brilliant instructions.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
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@tylerdurden666able
"ok, then why isn't it being applied?"
Maybe because God made us inherently selfish beings.
"i don't give a shit if an idiot could come up with it"
Well then don't offer it as an answer to the challenge "name something that requires divine insight and not just the insight of an idiot."
"are you not smart enough to apply what any idiot could come up with?"
I get along with people.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able
"you ask me to provide and insight that only a genius or prophet could come up with, and not a child right?"
No, then Einstein's Relativity would qualify when that is most certainly of human origin. I asked for something that could not have come from humans by themselves, and instead required divine insight.
"There is enough food for everybody but we won't properly share" is essentially what you offered. ANY human being could recognize that on their own.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
and what did that girl do in the first place to be humiliated? if there is a god, i seriously can't wait till judgment day so i can say FUCK YOU to his face before he sends me to hell. lol
aimeela 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able
OK genius, lets put Occam's Razor to the test. What we have is the sentence "can't we all just get along". Now what do you think the simplest explanation is of where that sentence came from?
A human being, or an invisible, intangible, unknowable spirit force that permeates everything?
And are you seriously telling me you refrain from abusing animals only because God said something similar to "cant we all just get along"?
Crazy people make me uncomfortable.
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
@tylerdurden666able Do you have the foggiest idea about what we were talking about?
The simplest explanation is usually the right one, therefore "can't we all get along" came from God and not man?
How does that make even the tiniest bit of sense?
My request was to provide a single insight or idea in the bible that could not have come from uneducated, first century fishermen and goat herders, and that instead required divine insight.
Do you think "can't we all get along" qualifies?
DickJohnson3434 1 year ago
what i always find funny are the people who say "They should do the same thing to them". Who are "they" exactly? Elected officials? Salaried prison guards? Who trains the prison guards and writes the torture manuals exactly? I don't think i'd want my tax dollars going to some lunatics who would sign up for such a gig.
Also, wouldn't an "eye for an eye" mean that you just rape a rapist and let him go. Since that would be even? I for one would rather have them away from of society
rkulla 1 year ago
Since the begining of time Man has Worshiped something!!!!! It's built into us to do so!!!!! And you too. Unfortunately, you worship at the alter of denial. You deny God, you deny his power and existence. (I dont say this to look down on you, I've been in the same place) I don't know you and don't pretend to. But at first glance dening God seems to be your passion! I have been where you are (to a degree) I'm asking you for a week take 10 min a day to Challenge GOD to show himself to be real!
gehalts 1 year ago
You don't have to be a Christian to be a good person (you and Oprah are good examples of that) you don't an Atheist to be a bad person. (there are a lot of people Jews and Christians alike myself inclued that are good examples of that)
the example you gave in deut 21:10 was for THAT TIME a kind way to act.
When all country ,not just Israel, took concubine's as "Spoils of War".
That was a differant age, but one thing that has remained through out the ages...
gehalts 1 year ago
Once again, a Bible verse is misinterpreted. It does NOT intend to mean rape. The shaving of hair and trimming of nails could be easily interpreted to giving the captive a clean look so that she would look too well kept to be a captive and become noticed. You have to be open-minded while reading the Bible and not out to prove it wrong.
SportsFanatic2010 1 year ago
@SportsFanatic2010
It's legalized and institutionalized rape of women ravished as booty from conquered lands. It describes the things you must and must not do along with options of what you may do to captured women. Shave her head, cut her nails, let her morn the loss of her family for a month, rape the hell out of her (she has no say in this and was kidnapped, so rape), and if you like her you can marry her, but if you don't you can set her free (no selling as with regular slaves/captives).
sejembalm 1 year ago
@sejembalm
It does not mean rape. No matter what, this world will always criticize something no matter what it is. Jesus was PERFECT and what happened to him? We brutally killed him. The Bible is PERFECT and without flaw, and having a personal relationship with Jesus through the gift of Salvation is what life is all about. Having people like Penn bash the Bible does not surprise me, but it does disappoint me. Read Romans 10:9-10. Accept Jesus Christ today and receive Eternal Life! :)
SportsFanatic2010 1 year ago
@SportsFanatic2010
If the Bible is indeed PERFECT, why so many contradictions? Like in JOHN 10:30 - I and my Father are one. But in JOHN 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. And that's an important passage in one book contradicting itself a little bit later in the same book. Google "Bible Contradictions" and view much more.
sejembalm 1 year ago
@sejembalm
The Greek word for "greater" is MEGAS. It has the idea of "big in stature, great, mighty, and high."This helps us to understand Jesus' comment. God the Father was greater at that time. He was in heaven in His glory. Jesus was on earth in human flesh. Jesus was modeling obedience as a human should obey God-for us. Man must obey God. Jesus was committed to showing us what that looked like.While here on earth Jesus showed us how to submit. I pray that you would give the Bible a chance.
SportsFanatic2010 1 year ago
@SportsFanatic2010
The why did Jesus claim He was equal Yaweh? Your spin does not justify the contradiction.
- God CAN be seen: "And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11, 23).
- God CANNOT be seen: "No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18), "And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20), "Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)
And I gave the Bible a chance for decades of study.
sejembalm 1 year ago
@sejembalm
"face to face" is referring to a personal conversation. Again you read it out of context because here is what verse 20 says:
Ex. 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
The entire chapter must be read and not individual verses.
So if you don't believe in God, what do you believe in?
SportsFanatic2010 1 year ago
@SportsFanatic2010
Read on, apologist! Exodus 33: 23 - "And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." This directly contradicts the above earlier face-to-face conversation and also with the passages that claim that no man can see God. Apparently, God will allow you to look at His ass, but those other passages did not make that qualifier. The problem I have with the Bible is that is a morass of insane rules/statements & contradictions.
sejembalm 1 year ago
@sejembalm
It wasn't "face to face" then. Anyways, I will continue to pray for you because without God there is no purpose for living.
SportsFanatic2010 1 year ago
@SportsFanatic2010
If --as you claim-- it wasn't "face to face," then why write it so?
Or are you contradicting a facially direct passage in the Bible?
HERETIC! Pray for thyne own soul, in dander of being damned for such effrontery!
sejembalm 1 year ago
@sejembalm
"Face to face" means at a personal level. If that's the best thing you can come up with to rebuke the Bible out of 31,102 verses, that in itself is prove that the Bible is infallible.
Let me play offense. If God doesn't exist, how did we get here? "The Big Bang Theory?" Magically some "stuff exploded" that nobody created? It all just existed and somehow the world evolved perfectly? My geology professor even said that a Creator must exist. And he has a doctorate in geology.
SportsFanatic2010 1 year ago
@SportsFanatic2010
No, that example was the first I came up with to list within the 480 words in these little text boxes. Didn't include (John 6:46) "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God [Jesus], he hath seen the Father."
I could have also gone with this: (James 1:13) "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." vs (Genesis 22:1) "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
sejembalm 1 year ago
@SportsFanatic2010
And as for "how did we get here," then if people cannot figure it out, then obviously Yaweh did it, as opposed to other gods or natural methods, such as the Big Bang. Often maligned, but that theory has many facts that reinforce it where mountains of geological facts refute Genesis, such as simpler fossils are found in deeper strata where it should be a jumble of modern and ancient animals (rabbits, birds and dinosaurs at the same level). Planted to sew disbelief?
sejembalm 1 year ago
@sejembalm
Both sides, atheist or Christian, require Faith. It just depends on whom you put your Faith in, God or man? I enjoyed talking with you. Take care and never stop thinking...
SportsFanatic2010 1 year ago
@sejembalm
I don't want to come across like a jerk. I just really care about where you are going after you die.
SportsFanatic2010 1 year ago
it sounds contradicting. says how if you like a girl take her and keep her locked up basically then rape her repedally . and yes this would be rape because the woman wouldnt make her self captive. then if you get tired of her just toss her aside . who cares how much you've abused her. women dont matter in the religion world. were just objects who should let you do what you want to and be your sex slave. GOD is HITLER and ppl who fallow him are nazzi's and brain washed by there parents as kids.
temari053 1 year ago
I'm probably the first person EVER to complain that I couldn't hear the commercial.
Raftiinstitute 1 year ago
You are just in all you say. That person is not being christlike in the least. However, you are mistaken in defining old testament law as christian law. Christianity, or at least myself as a christian, uses te ils testament as a book of histories. It largely documents the jewish heritage tracing to Jesus. However, Christ came and he became the way. No longer do we follow the old testament law.
Luke 6:27- "But I say to you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to tose who hate you"
Jesus said that. :)
cfrew92 1 year ago
@cfrew92 Um, and it still is supposed to warm my heart that that was EVER the law? And that it takes God to sacrifice his son, who is really Himself, to have some mercy on his ''children''?
bookcreator 1 year ago
@cfrew92
Are Christians still bound by Jewish law? * Yes - "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17) * No - "Now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the spirit." (Romans 7:6) Also see Ephesians 2:14-15.
Others split the difference and say Jesus satisfied the sacrificial laws.
sejembalm 1 year ago
Incidentally, my understanding is based on my PMEs (personal Mystical - trans-personal and transcendental - Experiences), and the understanding attained from these experiences is the basis of my Libertarianism as well.
Mortaryan 1 year ago
There are some of us that "believe" in a Higher Power/Being (I personally shy away from theism, and consider myself a Non-Theist) have a view of the Holy Scriptures as "a threshing flail that separates the Wheat from the Chaff." Those who justify and commit actions that violate another's nature or rights (the first "gift" of which is Free Will) are the signs that that person has fallen from the truth, let alone misunderstood Scripture. There are two Ways, the way of Life and death (Deut. 30:15)
Mortaryan 1 year ago
For the ancient Hebrews, "wives" were property, chattel, slaves. To rape a man's wife in the OT was a crime against her HUSBAND, just as if you had sex with his mule.
Serpent257 1 year ago
Go google Hells best kept secret
sluggo06 1 year ago
578th comment. No one will see this but here goes..
" You have heard it said, but I say to you"
Jesus came as a fulfillment of the law, when He taught he taught as one with authority, " I say pray for your enemies, do good to those who use you"
Out with the old in with the new as they say..
Is it any wonder why they killed him ? Love, Forgivness, Salvation through him and him alone, not the law ? A message of change . People dont like change. :)
Shawna
KnowHimMinistries 1 year ago
I used to be a christian. Then I read the bible.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago 2
@TheGreatRL No shit. lol!
streetcrazy 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL LOL! Awesome quote.
YankHoe 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL How bout "I used to THINK I was a christian. Then I read the bible." If you were so shocked by the old testament I doubt you ever knew God.
johnnyaplseed2121 1 year ago
@johnnyaplseed2121 No. I actually was a christian. Then I read all the rape, murder, slaughter, and slavery that God says is ok. Killing your neighbor who works on Sunday is ok but abortion is bad??!!?? gtfo.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL So your problem isn't not believing in God, it's you don't like what he has to say? (I'm just clarifying) I guess my point is, most of the Old testament it to clarify how holy and and above us God is. He is serious in his laws. That's what makes Jesus such a big deal. I just don't see how you could have been a christian but not have understood this about God. I don't want this to seem like another youtube debate, I'm just explaining my point.
johnnyaplseed2121 1 year ago
@johnnyaplseed2121 i never said I didn't believe in God. I said I don't believe in religion. How can you read the bible and still think that if this is God's true word, then he still is all loving and shit?
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL Yeah I think I specified all that in my last comment, I don't think many of us, not even me, realize how detestable sin is to God, it's completely against his nature, he sees its evilness and he hates it, part of the reason he was so hard on the Isrealites in the Old Testament is because he is using them as his chosen people so they must remain holy, and through them comes slavation so he is being impartial
johnnyaplseed2121 1 year ago
@johnnyaplseed2121 So you still think God is all loving even though he says you must kill anyone that works on Sunday? Not even do the murder himself but make you break one of the commandments and have you do it!!!
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL Woe bud, I am no longer held to the law thank you to Mr. Jesus of Nazareth, that's old covenant stuff. The sabbath was the way to recognize God's creation of the earth, it went beyond him being a control freak, it was to bring recognition and holiness of his act.
johnnyaplseed2121 1 year ago
@johnnyaplseed2121 I'm not saying "you" as in directly towards you. I'm saying you as in anyone.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL Okay, I just want you to know, you bring a valid issue I just think it goes deeper than whats on the outside, and I encourage you to go deeper into your questions and search for solution. Try to put yourself in God's shoes in certain things
johnnyaplseed2121 1 year ago
@johnnyaplseed2121 You didn't really answer my question.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL Which one
johnnyaplseed2121 1 year ago
@johnnyaplseed2121 Do you still think God is all loving even though he says to kill your neighbor if we works on Sunday? (Ironically its the same book that contains the ten commandments)
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@johnnyaplseed2121 What a dirty comment to make to @TheGreat RL. You claim to know God then judge a non believer with that comment, which biblically speaking you cannot do. You claim to know God then make such a simple mistake. Lol
macmacr1 1 year ago
@macmacr1 What was my 'dirty comment'?
johnnyaplseed2121 1 year ago
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@johnnyaplseed2121 @TheGreatRL said “I used to be a Christian. Then I read the bible.” You replied “How bout "I used to THINK I was a Christian. Then I read the bible." If you were so shocked by the old testament I doubt you ever knew God“.Your statement is well out of order.You don’t know what his or my relationship was with God was/is or how devout he or I was,to make such a hurtful statement is wrong.Debate is fine,being hurtful is wrong.
macmacr1 1 year ago
Lot offered up his virgin daughters to the mob and said "do to them whatever you like"[Gen:19:8]
bluegreen1138 1 year ago
@bluegreen1138 God does not say that's okay just so ya know
johnnyaplseed2121 1 year ago
"Taken out of society and not be allowed to do that" He knows the only sure way of that is execution, right?
Rensune 1 year ago