2 minutes discharge with plasma supported on first wall

[EVAUnit4A]

Sry, gotta be this guy for a second:

"Will it blend"?

[ragnar13131]

I did a paper on plasma energy as a viable source of alternative energies. I forget though does this model generator produce tritium as a by product?

[gavinmcweir]

@ragnar13131, no Tritium is a possible fuel (for the Deuterium-Tritium reaction, which has the lowest energy requirement to fuse). Unfortunately, Tritium is very rare on Earth. Luckily, Tritium can be generated by using a Lithium "blanket" around the fusion reaction.

[sudazima]

@ragnar13131 it most likely has deuterium in the plasma, which produces T 50% of the time (D+D=T+n), so yes

[ragnar13131]

@sudazima thanks sud thats what I thought. Another reason why research into plasma reactors is so important

[skylerm420]

ITER is going to be AWESOME if we live long enuff to see it launched in 2018

[skylerm420]

i just busted a nut in my pants

[arnold02000]

Is the noise in the image caused by radioactive particles hitting it?

[NAWRARESNAW]

@arnold02000 Yes

[sudazima]

@arnold02000 no, by charged particles, béta radiation, they dont emit other particles normally. but yes by radiation.

radioactive means something actively sends out smth

[MightyMorphinMatt]

I wonder what the CMOS life time of the camera is being so close to the plasma and from the looks of the picture unprotected.

[MightyMorphinMatt]

@MightyMorphinMatt

I meant CCD.

[fatty409]

creating helium... due to the combination or Tritium and Deuterium causing incredible heat and high velocity spin action due to other subatomic particles that dont fully join to create helium to fire off and in a sense if a sling shot is fired but isnt held the projectile and the sling itself is thrown in opposite directions ... at least generally speaking of course but still. Energy is produced as the product of the synthesis of helium from the Tritium and Deuterium. Close to being useful now.

[sweetness00peace]

could some body please tell me what this is doing and what this is all about?? what are we doing here making energy?? how does that work??

[mcwolfus]

@sweetness00peace I dont know exactly, but its about harnessing the energy which holds atoms together. Rather like releasing the energy in a spring or in a compressed air bottle. The nucleus, needs to be fired upon at sun multiplied by ten temperatures, and the 'whole firing range', and resulting violent reaction needs to be 'held' in a very strong magnetic field. In addition there is radiation and heat produced by the desintegrating nucleus.

[Denchanter357]

@sweetness00peace Plasma is very hot gas. It also is very charged. The idea is to heat up deuterium and tritium forms of hydrogen up to plasma temperatures. The electromagnets around the chamber are used to contain the charged plasma and compress it to promote fusion of hydrogen into helium. Giving off immense heat and energy in the process.

[sandustanBrasov]

SandustanBrasov

The test for nuclear fusion realisation on Tokamak's installations and with LASER cannot bring anything new for the energetics' future. I bind the thermonuclear controlled reactor schedule by the Sun model , by the reactive electromagnetic motor schedule from Palenque stone's tombe. You see the my project for thermonuclear controlled reactor.

[dogmader]

@sandustanBrasov nikola tesla;) tower work!

[artemo3]

they should up the current in the confinement coils, looks like the plasma is not concentrated enough.

[lofosus]

I want to work for the Nuclear Fusion. I will support the research.

[sandustanBrasov]

SandustanBrasov

My brethren, you have capacity of to construct the thermonuclear controlled reactor, only that, you must needs let construct something functional. The tokamak were invented in 1950s by physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov inspired by idea of Oleg Lavrentyev, when he studyed the realization of the hydrogen bomb, which has not need of magnetic trap, and thus, all the experiments were finished with the destruction of the tokamak instalations in the central zone.

[lofosus]

Are these white points because of Neutrons-shower?

[nilsson1991]

4 petrol industry shareholders voted thumbs down :D

[Trevo711]

I've got one of these reactor thingys in my back garden. Putting it on Ebay soon my Mum wants to redecorate.

[jewbyrd]

isnt there anything you could put inside the reactor protected by the magnets but would attract neutrons like a vacume? mabey some kind kind of Neutron filter that the plasma can pass through but the neutrons wont?

[soylentgreenb]

@jewbyrd Those neutrons have no charge, they just fly away in all directions.

They're very fast so they will do damage to the wall of the tokamak(typical neutron induced damage is embrittlement and swelling). Better self-healing materials need to be developed.

Those neutrons are vital for producing more tritium. The current leading candidate for this is to circulate a molten lithium beryllium fluoride salt(FLiBe) inside the wall of the reactor, also functioning as coolant.

[TheChuchulainn]

Quick! In one word or less, how far away are we from cold fusion? Anyone?

[soylentgreenb]

@TheChuchulainn Infinity.

[benwilcoxhotmail]

do newtrons reacact with the fusion

[soylentgreenb]

@benwilcoxhotmail Neutrons fly off in all directons. With no electrical charge they don't care about electromagnetic fields. In a D-D reactor the neutrons are a nuissance, which only serve to degrade the inner wall of the reactor. In D-T reactors, the kind which is easier to build, the neutrons are both problematic and necessary(you need to breed more tritium from lithium).

[vtnsx]

ironman has one like this on his chest

[Killzone1766]

This techonolgy would come much faster if we had high temp superconductors. Work on it you crazy money wasting scientists :P

[ArkVProductions]

Anyone got a Hot Pocket to throw in there?

[cladiax1]

stay away from that there plasma its done hotter than the surface of the sun.

do you like my redneck typing

[naturalyshocked]

between about 100 and 150 million ºc

[tetekofa]

ah..Saturn's spokes !!

[mophead319]

so the point of a tokamak reactor is to create heats high enough tso that particles can fuse together right?

i know its used for fusion but i was just checking to make sure

[crankyboris]

@mophead319

heat and pressure

[thegoodguy001]

this video stimulated my cock !!!!!!!

[IAutAssassineI]

jump into this generator woohooo

[bumqui]

YEAHHH! its pretty much lukewarm at 1799999540.6 ºF!!!

[doorhandleman]

If you walk in there, you get a tan.

[bcmalloy]

look at that radiation fly

[MikoKikoJo]

no radiation fool!

[NichtDieseTone]

Yes there is. Those white dots occuring at the beginning of the video and continuing throughout are neutron collisions exposing the film. High energy neutrons are a byproduct of (3_H) and (2_H) fusing into He. There is no radiactive waste as such, however. Only the local neutron concentration.

[MikoKikoJo]

no you wrong.

[NichtDieseTone]

Fine then. Wiki "Fusion" and read the entry about deuterium and tritium fusion. 3 neutrons + 2 protons --> 3 neutrons and 2 protons. He has 2 neutrons and 2 protons. This leaves a high-energy neutron without anything to bond to in the reaction. Neutron radiation.

[naturalyshocked]

dude, the magnetic force has influence on the CCD / CMOS chip inside the the camera.

[hal970fx]

just a nice healthy neutron bath.

[chillaxer1993]

plasma!

[lilbear69er]

Is that plasma traveling at the speed of light? Im not sure.

[Snuffythe3rd]

No it is not, plasma has mass; special relativity explains that mass cannot travel at the speed of light.

[ActiveStorage]

electric current within plasma environment maybe?

[Draxis32]

Plasma gas has no electrons sir.

[ActiveStorage]

"Plasma gas has no electrons sir. "

lol?

[ActiveStorage]

so u know u electric current is produced by a transfer of a charge. And charge is produced by charged particles. And charged particles can be both electrons and ions. Use some logic next time

peace

[Draxis32]

"eletric current within plasma enviroment maybe?"

I think you maybe a retard of something, cause eletron, comes from eletric or whatsoever.

And there's no eletrons in plasma, that's what i've sat you jerkhole.

[ActiveStorage]

lol okey son. i see u really know ur english. elect-ron comes from elect-icity lolo. electricity is electron.

go unfuck urself my friend.

[DeshGTP]

didnt they make one of these in princeton nj 8 or so years ago

[Antillektuell]

could be. i think the pricipal technology is pretty old but it kakes a lot of time to bring it to a "useful" level.

[bagheadbaby]

ok if they know how to make 1 why dont they just make 1 n give us free energy lol

[mooseace]

it's not a sustainable reaction yet, it still requires more energy to produce the reaction than the reaction itself produces.

[300sooks]

Wharts going on, someone explain to me like im stupid plz

[Krisspychiken]

really high amounts of electricity is fed through the chamber which causes the gasses inside to heat up to intense amounts (higher than the sun i believe), the walls are somewhat electromagnetic which can control the plasma

[Helge129]

The record is, I think 500 million or 50 million°C

[Kation666]

the wall can take that amount of heat?

[Helge129]

actually, the wall isn't even heating up a lot...maybe 1000 to 2000 degree. They use magnetic fields to hold the plasma and the heat where it is.

[curroption]

so that means that the walls only heat up to 1000 - 2000 degrees and magnetic feilds hold the plasma in place but how te hell does that work lol (dnt call me a retard lol i dont studie this subject lol)

[Helge129]

Don't ask me, I only know the basics, and I'm not a plasma physicist :P

[crazybastard82]

they strip the electrons off the nuclei to make the plasma, thus giving the "soup" a postive charge. just like how like-charged magnets repel one another, so does the plasma and mag fields. this isn't complete though, plasma still leaks out. so they run a current through the plasma, which generates another field that compresses the plasma even more. this is called the "pinch". this allows the plasma to get dense enough for the particles to hit one another and fuse. hope this helps.

[cmusco618]

Actually, electrons stripped from the atoms are still contained within the so-called "soup" (aka plasma), and charge separation is negligible so the plasma is charge neutral. otherwise, good explanation!

[ActiveStorage]

plasma is quasi neutral. not neutral

[cmusco618]

of course. we could play the semantics game all day long.

[ActiveStorage]

what semantics has to do with quasi neutrality?

neutral means plain neutral. no exchange between positive negative charges, no electric currents. Quasi neutral means there can be a charge separation and electric currents within the quasi neutral environment

[cmusco618]

I was responding to the original poster who said the plasma was positively charged as a result of ionizing the gas. I'm not trying to give textbook answers here....simple explanations are what most people are looking for on here. Throwing out science vernacular to the general public is the reason why so many people are uneducated in math and science.

[ActiveStorage]

a simple misconception between neutrality and quasi neutrality can turn the whole cosmology and astrophysics upside down. (plasma comsmology) I understand that u know ur stuff. i just dont want this misconception to grow among anyone who reads these comments

lots of people (traditional cosmologists included) assume that open space and all its celestial objects are 100% nutral too and that is a false assumption

[Pokertron200]

quantum physics and M-theory!!!

[ActiveStorage]

what's about it?

[smrterthenu]

damn amatures

[ActiveStorage]

"Throwing out science vernacular to the general public is the reason why so many people are uneducated in math and science. "

bullshit. people are smart. they can learn anything. And the sooner they get the information the sooner they can learn it. There is no need to dumb things down all the time. Making things "easier" or "safer" or "more understandable" is a number 1 reason why we have what we have today

[MaNu469]

boomchakalaka

[MaNu469]

where can one go to study this? int he US education system you got to select a program and not go out of your course to do so its a pain, and in my country even worse since we're their colony know and they dont even give a shit bout us, soo.. ive always liked cience and im good at it but there are no facilities here, where can one go?!?!?!

[Favel22]

Manu, you first graduate in physics, then you get to a PhD program or a Master's somewere else. I for one will try the CIEMAT institute in Spain.

[cladiax1]

you spelld science wrong

[snedie69er]

@ActiveStorage

And why only retards get into congress

[hipp6y]

@ActiveStorage couldn't agree more. the reason most people don't get science is actually opposite than one quoted. it's because when things get oversimplified, they lose the accuracy of their meaning (i hope i'm not being too unclear here), they become confusing and vague.

[sudazima]

@hipp6y and more importantly, it just takes a shitty amount of time to actually learn some physics...

[hipp6y]

@sudazima It doesn't take that much time to get the basics, you just have to be interested enough.

[sudazima]

@hipp6y depends on your definition of basics, i may have high standards there..

true that motivation is very important

[hipp6y]

@sudazima LOL, high standards are a good thing(that is, unless they discourage you from trying). Good for you.

[sudazima]

@hipp6y certainly dont discourage me, maybe others when i tell them their understanding of anything is shit..

[mike4ty4]

@sudazima Time which 99% of people can neither afford nor should be expected to. Meaning the problem of continuing public misunderstanding of science is impossible to solve.

[cmusco618]

Just a small correction: stripping the electron from the atom doesn't necessarily mean the plasma is positively charged. In most cases, charge separation is negligible so the plasma is largely charge neutral. Otherwise, good explanation!

[TwoBun]

Uhh yea. Magnetic flux radiates from electric current. If a conductor is shaped like a coil, the flux forms lines like a bar magnet. End to end. If the coil is turned end to end into a doughnut (toroid) the magnetic flux is contained within the coil. Thus a magnetic bottle shape of a doughnut. Igor Kurchatov knew this in 1955.

[TwoBun]

There's a CERN video lecture on plasma. It's been a while since I've seen it. I remember the lecturer stating "the best plasmas are dark". The light coming off the plasma is not good. So a plasma is made up of nuclear components set in motion. The motion is great enough to overcome the nuclear force of the initial state of the fuel. Deuterium and Tritium (hydrogen isotopes).

[leslieTS]

@ JKMDF, yikes, lets hope it never rains or snows too much near you, you might drown, or get snowed in. then the entire world will die....

[JKMDF]

Lol who really cares we are dead anyway, we are almost out of food, "electriciy", water, etc It´s just a matter of time... rather enjoy earth´s last years.

sorry for my english not being to techincal*

[TwoBun]

Even more wild, will be the Ice Age that will return in 10,000 years and crush New York City and a lot of other places too. ...Oh yea Yellowstone National Park id due to explode any year now. It'll be big and geologically epic.

[Blargonfire]

No one cares much :)(L)

[xxnototoriousbarxx]

wow your gay

[jingling30]

how could one care if your IQ is 70. It's physically impossible.

[JKMDF]

if mine is 70 urs 10 ^^

[JKMDF]

tard ;P

[WolYou]

It'll probably never work beyond a energy profit of 1 or 2%. Invented in the 30s by the Soviets it haven't got very much of a redesign. A Tokamak is still not a device for continuous operations and today it still consumes 10 more energy that it gives back. Working in 2060, this tek is too late. The Stellarator is probably a better technology for the future. Anyway, the Sun already gives us eight kilowatts per day and square meter. If we don't use this energy in the first place, we are stupid.

[soylentgreenb]

"It'll probably never work beyond a energy profit of 1 or 2%."

JT-60 has managed the parameters required for Q = 1.25.

"Anyway, the Sun already gives us eight kilowatts per day and square meter."

Nope. The Earth has an atmosphere and most people do not live at the equator.

"If we don't use this energy in the first place, we are stupid."

High cost of collection, high cost of dealing with intermittency. We've got all this uranium and thorium just sitting there, lets use it.

[arinhyspam]

Of course, this is demonstrating fusion, not fission, so uranium doesn't really have much to do with this.

[LooneyLopez]

@soylentgreenb why look for an alternative when we can go for something revolutionary?

[soylentgreenb]

@LooneyLopez Society is path dependent. If you bet eveything on solar or fusion or any other "revolutionary" technology and cannot deliver in the time frame that is needed the effect can be just as bad as another world war.

Just as a matter of historical accuracy, all technologies build up through a myriad of tiny incremental improvements.

[LooneyLopez]

@soylentgreenb what? couldnt here you over myself

[soylentgreenb]

@LooneyLopez Continued: Above some minimum level, e.g. the tiny amount of money required for a project like ITER or further refining photovoltaics, storage, transmission etc. it is not clear that throwing more money at it will do any good. The approach take by Germany is paritcularly awful; for the 10 GW of installed photovoltaics(about 1 GW average output, or the same as a single coal plant or nuclear reactor) they have commited to paying €60 billion in subsidies over the next 20 years.

[naturalyshocked]

do you want to store the used / burned uranium in your house?

that's the whole problem.

you idiot

[soylentgreenb]

@naturalyshocked "do you want to store the used / burned uranium in your house?"

The dry storage cask is too large to fit through the doorway, but if you want to build a concrete pad in my yard and put a dry storage cask there you are welcome.

"that's the whole problem."

Well then; I'm glad that you agree that "the whole problem" is a non-issue. Those long-lived transuranics your so worried about are otherwise known as fuel.

BTW, what's the half-life of mercury from coal pollution?

[naturalyshocked]

i don't know the half live .... coal, but i did have 2 coal mines in my town (laura mijn and Julia mijn).

after they closed down, they cleaned everything, they removed entire subareas (+houses) and removed the poluted ground and recently i watched with google earth and it's all gone now, i used to do motocross there (illegal) and we got haunted by police a few times, but i was to young to know why that was.

: )

the entire removed ground got processed.

[soylentgreenb]

@naturalyshocked OK, let me give you hint then; it has an infinite half-life. It will still be here in a billion years.

The dangerous part of coal pollution is not primarily the ash, it's the mercury, SOx, NOx and especially particulates they dump into the atmosphere.

Every year some ~200 000 europeans die from particulate pollution, largely from coal plants and diesel cars. This is many times more people than ever will die from Chernobyl and it is not an accident.

[naturalyshocked]

Why european?

the polution is Los Angelos is by far bigger than found anywhere here in europe.

the scandinavian countries car ownership is very very expensive, let alone diesel cars.

the ownership(anual tax) of a diesel car in the netherlands, belgium and also pretty much germany is expensive.

it's only feaseble if you make enough km/year.

fuel in france in expensive, because the circulation tax is built into the fuel.

[soylentgreenb]

@naturalyshocked "Why european?"

Because you're almost certainly from Europe and I thought you'd care more about the relevant statistics from Europe than from the US.

Deaths from particulate matter are a factor 5 or so higher in Europe than in the US; partly because we use more diesel cars(PM emissions are much lower from gasoline cars), but mostly because of population density.

[naturalyshocked]

the americans or atleast MANY refused to say goodbye to their worthless and powerless 2 valve pushrod engine.

i have a 1993 2.5 24vavle v6 and i can keep up easily with a 2010 v8 charger in speed, it can be as fuel efficient (5L/100km) @ 120km/h as a vw 1900 tdi.

clearly this is not the case for innercity(average 12/13L/100km), fi you don't drive agresive.

if i would buy ( and i'm planning too) a Audi A8 4.2 v8 tdi. faster than the 2010 charger.

[naturalyshocked]

i owned a VW 1900 90ps mkIV TDI and i veryfied what VW stated.

1 tank = 1000km. filled up a Girona and next fill was luxembourg.

50 liter tank = 5L/100, if you drive like the manual states.

Jeremy clarkson sold his ford GT, unrelaiable and ABSURD fuel consume.

yet the americans claim on autoblog (am regular visitor) their car are FUEL EFFICIENT and even many americans are crazy about DIESEL engines.

[naturalyshocked]

oh, as i was saying, it's more the southern countries that use diesel fuel, like spain, where diesel fuel was relative cheap (90/95 cents), 1.09€ 2 days ago (diesel) and wages are LOW, but cost of live is expensive, some things here are more expensive, like DSL connection) as nothern countries and food aint cheap here either.

so it's logical people choose for diesel, distances are pretty big here, unlike the netherlands.

fuel up = cheap and the range is over that from a gasoline car.

[soylentgreenb]

@naturalyshocked Yes, it's pretty logical for people to choose diesel over gasoline or coal over natural gas if they pay nothing for the health consequences they cause.

Diesel has longer carbon-carbon chains than gasoline; this makes it much easier for soot to form. Soot is a bewildering array of petrochemicals, some of which are very carcinogenic. Modern diesel cars and coal plants filter out the big soot particles visible to the naked eye, but those aren't the ones that cause health problems.

[snedie69er]

@soylentgreenb

Your a fucking idiot

[soylentgreenb]

@snedie69er Take your ritalin; when you've calmed down you can tell me what I said that you so vehemently disagree with and I can explain to you why you're wrong.

[snedie69er]

@soylentgreenb

Your statement about "Modern diesel cars and coal plants filter out the big soot particles..."

Coal fired power plants use a chemical extraction process to reduce the amount of carbon emitted into the atmosphere. this process works at the molecular level, so your statement is complete and utter fucking bullshit.

Please explain why I am wrong.

[soylentgreenb]

@snedie69er you're wrong because they fail to remove most fine particulates. The EPA estimates 15 000 - 45 000(95% confidence level) premature deaths from fine particulates emitted by electrical generators, the vast majority of which is due to coal.

[snedie69er]

@soylentgreenb

15k - 45k.....wow that's a guestimate if I ever saw one. That's the same as saying over 300k people have died from side affects from the Chernobyl disaster, yet less than 100 cases have ever been documented.

Almost half a million people die in the states alone from smoking cigarettes, which involves the direct inhalation of carcinogens.

Oh and please provide an official EPA source for the number of deaths directly related to coal fired power plants.

[soylentgreenb]

@snedie69er "15k - 45k.....wow that's a guestimate if I ever saw one."

That's the 95% CL.

"That's the same as saying over 300k people have died from side affects from the Chernobyl disaster[...]"

No. The LNT hypothesis has always been regarded as an upper bound and is derived from doses and dose rates seen in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, extrapolated towards zero, because radiation is such a fantastically poor carcinogen.

[soylentgreenb]

@snedie69er "Almost half a million people die in the states alone from smoking cigarettes[...]"

There's a moral difference between killing yourself and innocent killing bystanders.

You have a PM, as I can't link anything in youtube comments.

[soylentgreenb]

@snedie69er "yet less than 100 cases have ever been documented."

Bah, youtube ate my reply; let's try again:

That would be true whether the LNT hypothesis is a good model of reality or not. There's no way you can't pick out a signal of 30 000 cancer deaths against a backdrop of a few hundred million cancer deaths caused by oxidative stress(oxygen, can't live with it, can't live without it) and much stronger carcinogens like ciggies and heavy boozing.

[soylentgreenb]

@snedie69er Sorry, I misread that as 30k deaths. I've seen no serious cancer death estimate due to chernobyl as high as 300k; I believe only Green-peace, FOE and other professional liars have generated such numbers(e.g. by assuming the rise in deaths after the collapse of the soviet union was due to Chernobyl, even though it shows no correlation with the pattern of radiological contamination from Chernobyl).

[snedie69er]

@soylentgreenb

That is exactly my point, it is utterly impossible in every sense to determine direct on indirect deaths as a result of truly global phenomenon (The emission of carbon(s)). All we have to go on is estimations, be they from a stoned hippie or from a Harvard professor.

Seed as you seem to know your stuff, could you please provide a percentage, or range of the number of workers of coal fired power plants (US Only) that have developed any form of cancer.

[naturalyshocked]

you simply CAN drive more with less money than a gas powered.

so you can't blame the spanish induvidual.

i told some people that contact (gas station) with diesel can cause cancer.

i'm dutch and i know this already for years, but they don't.

on contrary: some states in the USA don't have a anual technical vihicle inspection and therefor no exchaust fumes analize.

everywhere in europe, if your car doesn't pas this test, the vihicle papers get invoked and you have to fix your car

[naturalyshocked]

or the vihicle papers will be destroyed and it aint possible to create a new permit for the car.

many americans can do with their cars what they want, remove catalic converters, big carburators.

THOSE FRIKKING HUGE pickup trucks and their 6.x liter engines, do you think that is CLEAN power.

our commercial vans acallerate faster and act pretty much like normal cars, the same handeling as a car.

[naturalyshocked]

i know many american does have a simpel 4cyl, because the poverty is very much present in the united states as everywhere else on the planet.

if you read autoblog, all article realted to mustang, charger, pick up trucks and other v8 poewer vihicles has much more comments than for european or japanese fuel efficient cars.

there was a drop of pushrod v8 powered cars during 2008/2009, but recently the americans started buying big engines cars again.

WHY o WHY?

[naturalyshocked]

the americans clearly didn't or don't want to understand that either gas or diesel is bad for the envorinment.

95% of the european wouldn't even think of buying a v8 powered car, even if they COULD afford the gasonline bill.

i'm buying only a v8 diesel powered car, because i walk everyday to work and the car is parked most of the time, but i want to have it, so i can drive @ speed to the netherlands once a while.

the diesel = simply powerfull and it doesn't hurt to fully fill the deposit.

[naturalyshocked]

oh yeah, i also use my bike to keep my body in shape.

far most of all cars here are younger than 10 years old.

so pretty much 99,x% is a modern electronic diesel.

unlike the united states where people talk and USE OLD tencho carburators:

just watch shows like OVERHALING, i can tell you, i wouldn't even PUKE an a car with a carburator, even if it's a 1960's mustang or whatever american muscle car.

[naturalyshocked]

..... and finaly, we have 2 or 3 waste containers in our garden.

seperate the paper, glass, plastic, batteries and chemical waste, etc.etc.

the people can't do anything about it, i can't understand why european's sell gasonline leftovers to the united states and they sell for the 2.60US$ or something for gallon (3.8 liter), while we pay about 5,85€ for a Gallon or 1.55€/L.

so you can't blame the people.

[naturalyshocked]

i containers the storage container are well built and accident resistent and totally sealed.

but far most of the people as dumber than a sheep.

they problably think those containers will melt or leak someday.

but you still need to mine the Uranium and proces it in order to become fuel and afterwards you need to proces it again.

fusion seams better, good technology.

for ultra deep space survival of the human kind

[soylentgreenb]

@naturalyshocked With a closed fuel cycle the amount you need to mine is miniscule. Approximately 10 cubic meters of average crust(note, not ore, just any random rocks!) contains enough uranium and thorium to provide all primary energy consumed by a person over 100 years.

The once-through cycle will not be sustainable beyond perhaps the next century.

The advantage of fission is that we know it works, we know how to do it; we can just scale up.

[naturalyshocked]

according to you we need to give the Iranian people uranium.

witch i think aint a good idea.

but another problem is, we have nuclear power and other want aswel, how do you explain this to the good people in Iran, you and you, YES, but not you.

this is also a big problem

[soylentgreenb]

@naturalyshocked I'll try and decypher the peculiar use of grammar here, if I can.

Iran has their own uranium mines, how do you propose to stop them from having access to uranium?

There are two ways in which you can make a practical nuclear weapon. The first is through enrichment of U-235 to >90%. Iran does their own gaseous centrifuges; they can throw out the inspectors and enrich to weapons grade and short of preemptively bombing them there's nothing you can do about it, should they do that.

[naturalyshocked]

very simple, just like america did on iraq, afganistan, corea, etc, etc and almost also Cuba.

remove their leaders.

i'm against war, but i fucking hate regimes, i wish those people could life in freedom like the 'west' does.

before 2001 life was much better here, it still is .... but new handy for gov laws are avaiable.

but apperently USA ran out of money and abama is a reasonble person (atlast).

but ....

[naturalyshocked]

but to finish the job in the oriental i think it's a good idea to start a war against iran.

i'm sick and tired of that lunatic litle guy over there.

just as i'm sick and tired of isreal/palestina, witch is also a danger to the world.

i wouldn't be suprised if the isreal drop a nuclear bomb somewhere.

[soylentgreenb]

@naturalyshocked If you want to stop the iranians from acquiring a bomb through enrichment, the best way would be to offer a serious proposal to enrich it for them. By a serious proposal I mean, give up your enrichment, we'll give you the finished fuel at a favourable price and then you'll give us an equivalent amount of natural U.

Proposals of that type has been offered to Iran, but only with very unfavourable strings attached.

[naturalyshocked]

i know they refused that offer.

i read news papers everyday and i have been since i'm 6 years old or so.

due to cartoon and later on the more serious stuff and i even traded stocks.

sure i don't know everything, but i know many things about the world and space for my age.

i simply enjoy reading about physics and related stuff, whenever i can.

: )

[soylentgreenb]

@naturalyshocked The other way to make a nuclear weapon is to irradiate uranium with neutrons, transmuting U-238 into Pu-239. You only need natural uranium and a simple reactor(so simple North Korea could build it themselves).

Here's the kicker though; if it stays in the reactor too long, as it does in civilian reactors, the Pu-239 becomes Pu-240, Pu-241, Pu-242, and some of the U-235 becomes Pu-238. These isotopes give off a lot of heat and neutrons that make them nearly worthless for weapons.

[naturalyshocked]

like i said, i read alot and i have know for years witch types of fuel you need.

and yes i know the ways how to detonate such bomb and how it works.

if you have the material, building the bomb it self aint such big deal, you could use the less effecient way(litle boy) or the imploding method.

they have underground soil 'refineries', i don't think that is a good sign, why would someone hide it's nuclear facilities underground.

as mom always said, litle things help.

[naturalyshocked]

i think the biggest thing in nuclear bomb is how to protect it.

how to prevent people from inside to set it off.

witch was feared when there wasa recently tumult in pakistan.

[vidarmb]

aha, discovered by the soviets in the 30s? what do you refer to? fusion? slight remark: fission was disovered in 1938 by hahn and meitner enabling the build of the first fission bomb - without it providing energy fusion being impossible...how should the soviets make it despite that? (not mentioning the fact that both processes base on the equivalence of energy and mass - a correlation even einstein held to be impossible to be practically usefull till that discovery of fission)

[TwoBun]

Yea. I've had the idea that it was Andrei Sakhorov proposed the Tokamak, upon consulting with Igor Tamm in 1950. Tamm had recieved a letter from Lavrenti Beria that was composed by a young sailor named Oleg Lavrentiev. The letter promoted Magnetic, rather than Electrostatic confinement

[Bassel3000]

they tried to fusion a Tritium cern with a Deuterium Cern with more than 500 Million Kelvin (935999540.33000 F°)

[SaltedSnowman]

is that good?

[turbolover175]

It's more than good, it's the future. one pound of fuel would power the west coast for a month. the only emission is neutrons, which are used to make more deuterium. Deuterium and tritium are simple ions of hydrogen and are totally stable. This is the one clean energy source that can fuel the energy needs of the future, and they need to go full steam ahead with this and forget about wind and solar power.

[girielconqs]

Not only a neutron. Tritium and deuterium form helium and a neutron

[turbolover175]

oh yeah, my bad.

[cmusco618]

Yes controlled magnetic fusion is certainly worthy of persistent R&D, but a commercial reactor won't be envisaged for at least several decades. ITER won't be operational until around 2020 and even with it online, it's still a research oriented tokamak. DEMO would be the next generation device that would harness electricity, and that won't be conceived until decades after ITER. The point here is if we "forget about wind and solar power" we're ignoring 2 very fruitful avenues of energy RD.

[cleberz]

Hey what are those lights on top? Is the structure failing to support the discharge?

[TwoBun]

I saw a CERN video lecture a while ago, It stated that a dark plasma is best. The photons coming off the plasma are from collisions that are not wanted.

[cmusco618]

Collisions often times ARE wanted. In the case of wave heating, collisions are not necessary in order to heat the plasma. However, when neutral beam injection is used, the mechanism by which the heat is transferred from the energetic particles to the thermal population is by collisions.

[TwoBun]

I've been steered away from ITER for some time, but I've been collecting my thoughts. I may reexamine fusion research topics soon. I looked up "Wave heating" and it seemed to be subject of current research in the solar corona. ...Though I tend to get too interested in the inner space of matter, and how it could be related to the outer space of the Universe.

[PortaleMedia]

Cool !