The Legends Of Wrestling-The Monday Night War (Part 5)

[shawn13174]

quite honestly I think TNA Impact is as good a show as Raw at this point. Thats not saying Impact is all that great but honestly WWE is at it lowest point since they were on the wrong end of the Monday Night Wars (1996-97) in my opinion.

[kayfabemark]

Stupid fucking WCW! They fucked up their biggest match in history when the referee forgot to give a fast count? And at the same time wasted Bret's arrival by making him a special ref! They gave all of the heat from the screwjob to Vince and the WWF

[seagreen152]

eric has earned ALOT of respect from me 4 this hayes please shut the fuck up and write 4 shitdown it has not been smackdown since 2005

[ochoastl]

Are you talking about the best show for the past couple years? That SmackDown?

[seagreen152]

yeah whatever it is smackdown was GREAT for 1999-2006 then it started to get weak but yeah as of now it is the best show wwe has

[dgenerate707]

you mean 1999-2006 Yeah it did get pretty shitty after UPN went under and CW and MNTV let them get away with it since they have lower standards.

[seagreen152]

yeah like when kurt left eddie died it really started to get shitty yeah from 99-06 it was one of the best shows but yeah after UPN went down it was bad

[nobcheesy]

Hayes is such a massive crybaby..'waah wahh you tried to put us out of busness, waahh you took bret hart away from us.'

jesus man thats why its called wrestling BUSINESS, not 'how long we can keep Michael Hayes happy and in a job in WWE with all of his buddies there forever.'

[akguzman]

the vhs version of this ppv has the referee counting faster,

[canadian9586]

they should have had someone else on this panel instead of hayes maybe vince mcmahon

[KingAndy1992]

How about Hogan?

[viciouscanadianvixen]

i liked michael hayes there because he wasn't all political and democratic about it. he said what everyone had said over the years and he kept things in perspective. no one could weasel their way with anything and had to explain their answers. he was a bit too agressive, yes, but he wasn't going to let anyone slither their way out the way vince would have to save face.

[26improve]

to me, the bell ringing after a three count doesn't seem significant in determining a match is over as oppose to the actual three count. To signify the start of the match, the bell ringing at the beginning of the match seems more significant then at the conclusion.

[johnnydakota3]

The truth is that the Monday Night Wars became the greatest era in wrestling history. I'm glad the WWE came out on top, but it took the WCW to bring out the best in sports entertainment.

[seagreen152]

great comment

[Gambit455]

Hogan barely made contact with the guard rail and it looked like crap. Then Sting comes flying full force with the Stinger Splash to save the moment. It's why guys like Sting are still Champs today and Hogan is stuck doing crappy reality shows.

[281pmc713]

yea sting was great....then he shit on his career by joining tna

[ochoastl]

what else was he supposed to do?

[281pmc713]

he shouldve joined a real company like wwe or atleast a respectible indie circuit like ROH

[kickycrowbar]

Hayes is a clueless fuck who wasted his career on drink and drugs and was washed up in his early 30's

His opinion to me is worthless

[seagreen152]

i agree 100%

[MahdeeC4]

I agree, Hayes is annoying. I would prefer for him to not be on this episode. I'm not a Hayes hater, but in this show he's a bit of a pain in the ass.

[larrylooker33]

I actually liked Hayes until I saw this. Fuck him.

[blackartsviper]

Hayes was a total asshole throughout this whole panel. He shouldn't have been on it, but I gained alot more respect for Bischoff while watching this episode.

[ramostarr]

Micheal Hayes drunk behind is the reason why lashley is not in wwe. he made a racist remark about him being the black lesnar. M.Hayes needs to get off the air and stop writing

[Kazuma1276]

lashley was the black lesnar and thats why it sucked when he left

[ramostarr]

let me tell you something first of all that sounds ignorant lashley left because of hayes drunk ass making that remark.

[indiekid42]

Lashley was pushed too much too soon and didn't have enough charisma to make it work.

And maybe the real problem is that Michael Hayes is colorblind. He thinks he's an actual black man.

[bitterblackguy]

eric held his own with this discussion.......hayes, shut the fuck up!!

[hohumming]

Michael Hayes is clearly drunk in these videos.

[binks2413]

The rest of these guys seem so annoyed with Hayes' drunken comments

[DarthSchwartz]

I DISAGREE!!! LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING!!! I DISAGREE!!! I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS!!! lol my Michael Hayes impression.

[shawn13174]

Hayes really takes away from the flow of this entire roundtable. I think we are much more interested in Bischoff's take on the Wars and he can barely finish a thought without being interupted by him.

Mean Gean would've been a good guy to have in Hayes spot. Another WCW guy would've been nice and at the very least he would've shut up when other people were talking.

[NoBrianNoGain]

Hayes is really out of line on a lot of these segments and spoils the answers the other guys are giving

[shawn13174]

I read Bischoff's book recently.....this pay per view got a 1.9 buy rate. That is a monster number.

[TitusVentura]

Hayes should never do these drunk off his ass, it just kills the interesting answers these guys give

[reanimate21]

Bret could never get over in either WWE or WCW because he had NEVER beaten Hogan.  Sad but true.

[MelancoliaI]

Hayes asked a really good question here (why DIDN'T they capitalize on the Montreal heat) and then ruined it with his slurred babbling. Hell, even when Bret actually DID debut they could've emphasized it more than they did.

[ashleybound]

I didnt think Hayes was drunk. But however, I disagree with his statement about only Hogan having creative control over his character. Basically the inmates (NWO) ran the asylum, including a damn ref (Patrick). And those guarenteed contracts basically told the talent that they didnt have to show up but they wil still get paid regardless

[CripplerFan]

Great post.Thanks for uploading it. Hayes seem pissed drunk to anybody else?

[LastBadass]

Sting should have been WAY more dominate they made him look like a wuss and this is when it started going all down hill. Boy they really messed up the ending here.

[milankiev7]

big boot, leg drop, 1-2-3

[nWo24life]

I know I'm gonna get bashed for this, but I don't care. I was 17 when this happened, I'm speaking from my point of view. The WWF started getting mainstream and fan attention again....because of Mike Tyson. When Tyson first came on and you didn't really know if he was going to fight with Austin, THAT made you check out the WWF. Tyson had just come off that Holyfield "bite" fight, and was a HUGE star in the world of sports. The WWF were SO smart bringing him in, and Bischoff has acknowledged this.

[sinfonian39]

I'll agree that it was really smart to bring in "Iron Mike," and I certainly won't bash you for that point of view, but I think there wasn't really a particular turning point but more like a gradual change in attitude that all revolved around Austin, and much of it for me had to do with Bret Hart's heel turn and Austin's feud with him. I was more confused than anything at the time when the screwjob happened, but the reason I watched was to see how Bret acted as a heel. I was a huge fan of his.

[nWo24life]

Thank you for your comment. It's so nice to debate with people who act like adults and not these little children who seem to have just started watching in the last five years. With Tyson, I personally started watching WWF again because of him. I've looked back on the Bret heel thing, as with Austin's rise and see there were great things going on. But for me, Tyson is what got my attention again. Thanks again for acting like an adult. It's a nice change!

[sinfonian39]

You're welcome. I watched as a child from around 1989 and saw first-hand, like many, the evolution of wrestling throughout the 90s. For someone in my generation, the 80s and 90s were the "good ol' days" that I wish I could have back.

[Bonesaw69]

This would have been so much more interesting without Hayes drunken interruptions.

[shutupwhiteguy]

look at the gay pin, hogan has his hand all over stings asshole LOL

[walrusonion]

shoulda had vince on the panel instead of Hayes

[dbatista4]

i don't know maybe it's just me, but watching the sting vs hogan match, it didn't seem the crowd was into it.

[SameSolarSystem]

How many drinks do you think Michael Hayes had before they started recording?

[Conner2029]

I don't know but fuck he is annoying. This special would have been so much better without that "know it all" prick.

[abeedakbar]

i think he's smokin weed

[tazzrascal]

What do you think Bret Hart would be doing if he had not been kicked in the head by Goldberg? TNA or WWE?

[sinansercan]

He was already over 40 when he got kicked by goldberg. He would have retired probably after WCW died

[shawn13174]

The Sting/Hogan Starrcade match that is. The very Beginning (the genesis) of the "Death of WCW" in my opinion.

[drackbaby]

I can't disagree with that. WCW spent well over a year and half with the Sting-Hogan storyline and put so much energy and time into it that it became the ultimate climax of WCW VS NWO. No other storyline in WCW at the time had much build up. Maybe Giant VS Nash. MAYBE.

[Germany1111]

Agreed. That match made Hogan look unstoppable, when it was supposed to be Hogan getting his ass handed to him.

[shawn13174]

I really think you could track it all back, and no one would've known it at the time, but this might have the very beginning of the WCW downward spiral. Funny because WCW at this point, and for the next 6-7 months to follow, would reach it's apex and make a profit of around $60 million in 1998. But for anyone who was watching (and believe me I was), the writing was on the wall.

[alexglauer]

Michael Hayes is very detrimental to getting things moving forward. He needs to leave.

[magicadd]

wow sting vs hogan was awful especially whiny bret hart

[vicmacke]

i wish rick flair would had been there he hates eric

[roylucier]

You know, the funniest thing about that Sting-Hogan match, to me, was they had an in-ring celebration after he pinned Hogan, and of all people, Dave Meltzer was in the ring celebrating with Sting.... way to go Dave!!!

[chrisurie]

think hayes is getting drunker and drunker as the show progessed

[wwefan2233]

true but he never beloned in wcw

[nWo24life]

Man, that Sting/Hogan match at Starrcade really was a let down. That ENTIRE pay-per-view was a huge letdown. You build up to that and then... nothing! Bret Hart's debut was a referee. I mean, come on!

[wweattitudefan]

Bret's debut as a Ref kind of reminds you of Kurt Angle's debut in TNA and being the referee for Sting and Jeff Jarrett's match and Bound For Glory 2006 huh?

[wwefan2233]

WCW FUCKED BRET OVER

[Neonshufflerr]

not really he was always around the tittles was always pushed

[azeron112]

I would've asked eric "if bret kept the belt, would u had paid him to drop it in the trash?" i'm sure the answer would've been yes

[at1212b]

They should have gotten rid of Schivone... helluva annoying.

[rhsrebel2006]

I wish Michael Hayes would shut up!

[BigKTube]

I know he is completely kissing Bishoff's butt. And he interrupts everyone

[at1212b]

Serioussly!

He's acting like a little bitch that got burned by all this before.

[suckyamomma30]

Poorly executed main event finish that was a coomon place in WCW and one of its main faults at the time.

[JML101582]

WWF should have died when Bret Hart jumped ship with WCW, but it did not. As a matter of fact, it made the WWF better as it gives other wrestlers that are below the roster the chance to become stars in their own right.

WCW had many chances of death like Ric Flair left the company in 1991, those dumb mini movies in the early 1990s, and keeping Hulk Hogan as the good guy (let's face it people were sick of the goody good Hogan by 1995).

WCW was bascially dead by 1999 and was offical in 2001.

[peteelliedaisy]

even then hogan moved slow

[chandlerbomb]

Hayes is obviously drunk

[peteelliedaisy]

so what,so i'm i lol..he makes good points

[prstn]

he whined like it ruined his life

[Sledge070685]

oh man it's hard to watch WCW cause I never liked Tony Schiavone's voice.

[Moonblood00]

gah i wish michael hayes wasn't in this..he interrupts and changes the subject so much -_-

[ct5]

I know he keep talking over JR and Eric

[0Mike0Banks0]

dusty rhodes should've been in this one

[Kane1910]

oh yeah or maybe paul heyman since he ruled ECW maybe he has something interesting to say

[shakysyxx]

i thought kevin sullivan was bookin the matches and have creative control?

[R13DY]

i just wanna state this is a great discussion...i really miss the MNW era....unforgetable

[CA3SAr2006]

I agree as stated in another one of this same series.. this was the golden era.

[suckyamomma30]

I could never understand why Hogan got the clean pinfall THEN Bret came out and screwed Hogan allowing Sting to win?It left people thinking what was the point?Very poorly laid out.

[enigmaticocean]

Starrcade 1997... what should have been WCW's greatest PPV was actually the beginning of the end for WCW.

[nightwingv1]

it made no sense for nick patrick to fast-count. he didn't have any ties to the nwo, so how would it have been a screwjob?

[ct5]

it wasnt even a fast count. If anything Sting got his shoulder up, I just think Bret was confused

[BrianLG100]

Starrcade 97 was great til the end, they blew it big time, if they wanted Nick to did a fast count, he should've actually done it faster than that and the story line would've made since for real.

[2redaces]

That match was the beginning of the end for WCW.

[TrollCapAmerica]

No shit i remember watching it and knowing for the first time that the WCW PPV had utterly failed and the whole storyline was falling apart

Highlights include

Highlights

1] The Outsiders lose the Tag titles to the overly roid raging and boring Steiners when Larry Zybsco acts as a ref and uses a FAST COUNT on Xpac.WCW looks weak for accepting a fast count for a non-ref to beat a Nash-;ess Outsiders

[TrollCapAmerica]

2] Zybsco in the same PPV fights Bischoff in a boring match nobody cared about.Hall loads a metal piece in Bischoffs footpad which goes flying out when he throws a kick.Bret cant DQ him since it goes flying into the crowd but he sticks too the script and KOs him before declaring the 2000 year old fat guy the winner

3] Sting/Hogan looks insane because of this finish.WCW looks like they cant win without double standards like fast counts Bret looks like a schizo and DDP the only "clean" WCW winner

[drunkensailor112]

sting should've won cleanly. that's what the fans wanted to see. sting winning fair and square after one full year of feuding and after it have sting and bret feud for the wcw title vs wwf champion, sharpshooter vs scorpion deathlock. men that would've made wcw king of the hill

[wc470]

my god starrcade 1997 was supposed to be the best night ever and instead it was bomb man why did it have to be like that

[olliegodbold1988]

starrcade 97s ending sucked royally

[B44501xRacerEX]

I'm just shocked what Bischoff just said.

[SVR08Guy]

Wow that ending was fucked up

[zackvanhalen]

What was fucked up about it?

[SVR08Guy]

Hulk Hogan won the match far and square and it was re set thats just stupid.

[zackvanhalen]

Oh, I thought you actually meant the end of the video. I thought that Bishoff said something bad. Yeah, the ending of that match was horrible.

[CrazyBeauty22]

actually, the ref messed up the whole thing because what was supposed to happen was he was supposed to count it fast and THEN the rest of it would have fit. but that didnt happen. bret was just following the script and doing what he was supposed to do. but i do agree that they should have just left it alone and kept hogan as the winner. it would've made for an even better story line.

[SVR08Guy]

And if that was not bad enough. Sting was stripped from the title a few days later.

[jonzey0]

it had to be clean... that would have made the roof blow off the arena... rather than the screwjob ending we all got

[vassilli19910666]

The only thing that made WWF better that WCW,is Vince McMahon!!PERIOD!With the rouster that WCW had and with Vince on chargeman they would have been untouchble!Vince made a huge mistaike when he did'int keep WCW as a seperate brand!HUGE MISTAIKE!

[ToM2CoOL]

what a stupid ending.

[afrokidryder]

God that motherfucker just WONT stop being negative about the shit, like the whole monday night war just ruined his life. STFU P.S. HAYES, SHIT!

[cbaldwinjr]

EXACTLY. I swear...Bischoff is the guy who was IN WCW...not Dok Hendrix. Just STFU and let him talk

[korinkahn]

RESPECT BRET HART

[BadBoyBohdan]

the long haired guy is pissed aka drunk lol

[BadBoyBohdan]

theese r great