The other thing is, when asked directly in Wisconsin if the government should cut spending or raise taxes, people by far say cut spending. So while they may not support the collective bargaining provision, they generally support what Walker is doing....not laying anyone off, hopefully.
@ace8842 According to a New York Times/CBS News nationwide telephone poll conducted Feb. 24-27 with 984 adults: "Asked how they would choose to reduce their state’s deficits, those polled preferred tax increases over benefit cuts for state workers by nearly two to one. Given a list of options to reduce the deficit, 40 percent said they would increase taxes, 22 percent chose decreasing the benefits of public employees" ... I would be surprised if Wisconsin were not in line with the national ave.
@ace8842 ... and yet, the majority of Wisconsin and the country support the actions of those 14 Wisconsin Senators.
A few weeks to slow the process down is a small price to pay if the result is a public that is more fully aware of the actions of their representatives. That's what democracy is all about.
@iqguy001 That's incorrect. The majority of the country may believe in collective bargaining, especially when poll questions incorrectly call them "rights" being taken away. But nowhere are there polls saying the majority of Americans support Democratic senators not showing up for their jobs for 2.5 weeks. This type of stunt will be used against Democrats in the 2012 elections as no one will trust them to do their jobs anymore...
@ace8842 Instead of "right" you think the correct wording is "legally protected ability"?
in any case:
A survey of 800 Likely Voters in Wisconsin conducted on March 2, 2011 by Rasmussen Report, 57% of likely Wisconsin voters now disapprove of Scott Walker’s performance, with 48% strongly disapproving.
Pew Research Center survey, conducted Feb. 24-27 among 1,009 adults, finds 42% say they side more with the public employee unions, while just 31% say they side more with the governor, Walker
@ace8842 Also, according to a Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research poll, When asked if they agree or disagree with the position different groups and individuals are taking in the current situation, voters side with the public employees (67 percent agree), the protesters (62 percent agree), the unions (59 percent agree), and the Democrats in the state legislature (56 percent agree). In contrast, 53 percent disagree with Walker and 46 percent disagree with the Republicans in the legislature.
@iqguy001 That poll only had 100 people and public sector unions seemed overrepresented....also. were collective bargaining described as "rights?" Any time people hear about rights being taken away, they vote against it, but collective bargaining is not a right. The poll had more Democrats than Republicans....
@ace8842 that one poll, of the group of polls I sited, is taken from pool of 402 likely voters (not 100) and has a margin of error of +/- 4.9 percentage points. Even in the worst case scenario, there's a strong majority in support of the protestors and unions in general.
A "right" by definition, is: "that which is due to anyone by just claim, legal guarantees, moral principles, etc." Collective bargaining has been legally guaranteed in Wisconsin since 1959. It's accurate to call it a "right".
The other thing is, when asked directly in Wisconsin if the government should cut spending or raise taxes, people by far say cut spending. So while they may not support the collective bargaining provision, they generally support what Walker is doing....not laying anyone off, hopefully.
ace8842 11 months ago
@ace8842 According to a New York Times/CBS News nationwide telephone poll conducted Feb. 24-27 with 984 adults: "Asked how they would choose to reduce their state’s deficits, those polled preferred tax increases over benefit cuts for state workers by nearly two to one. Given a list of options to reduce the deficit, 40 percent said they would increase taxes, 22 percent chose decreasing the benefits of public employees" ... I would be surprised if Wisconsin were not in line with the national ave.
iqguy001 11 months ago
What is shameful is the 14 Senators who decided not to show up to work for 2.5 weeks and risking throwing Wisconsin and the country into anarchy.
ace8842 11 months ago
@ace8842 ... and yet, the majority of Wisconsin and the country support the actions of those 14 Wisconsin Senators.
A few weeks to slow the process down is a small price to pay if the result is a public that is more fully aware of the actions of their representatives. That's what democracy is all about.
iqguy001 11 months ago
@iqguy001 That's incorrect. The majority of the country may believe in collective bargaining, especially when poll questions incorrectly call them "rights" being taken away. But nowhere are there polls saying the majority of Americans support Democratic senators not showing up for their jobs for 2.5 weeks. This type of stunt will be used against Democrats in the 2012 elections as no one will trust them to do their jobs anymore...
ace8842 11 months ago
@ace8842 Instead of "right" you think the correct wording is "legally protected ability"?
in any case:
A survey of 800 Likely Voters in Wisconsin conducted on March 2, 2011 by Rasmussen Report, 57% of likely Wisconsin voters now disapprove of Scott Walker’s performance, with 48% strongly disapproving.
Pew Research Center survey, conducted Feb. 24-27 among 1,009 adults, finds 42% say they side more with the public employee unions, while just 31% say they side more with the governor, Walker
iqguy001 11 months ago
@ace8842 Also, according to a Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research poll, When asked if they agree or disagree with the position different groups and individuals are taking in the current situation, voters side with the public employees (67 percent agree), the protesters (62 percent agree), the unions (59 percent agree), and the Democrats in the state legislature (56 percent agree). In contrast, 53 percent disagree with Walker and 46 percent disagree with the Republicans in the legislature.
iqguy001 11 months ago
@iqguy001 That poll only had 100 people and public sector unions seemed overrepresented....also. were collective bargaining described as "rights?" Any time people hear about rights being taken away, they vote against it, but collective bargaining is not a right. The poll had more Democrats than Republicans....
ace8842 11 months ago
@ace8842 that one poll, of the group of polls I sited, is taken from pool of 402 likely voters (not 100) and has a margin of error of +/- 4.9 percentage points. Even in the worst case scenario, there's a strong majority in support of the protestors and unions in general.
A "right" by definition, is: "that which is due to anyone by just claim, legal guarantees, moral principles, etc." Collective bargaining has been legally guaranteed in Wisconsin since 1959. It's accurate to call it a "right".
iqguy001 11 months ago