I disagree that that the greek word Apostle Paul uses "Arsenokoitai" lacks a consensus of meaning among reputable Bible scholars. I recommend the debate here on YT with Dr, Michael Brown & Harry Knox .Read Matt 19 and Mark 10. Paul wrote in the first century addressing an entire panoply of SPIRITUAL conditions. Paul had numerous terms to address the sins & ills of his day so your argument begs the question of why he chose THAT word. Also see the work of clinical psychologist Stanton Jones
Correct-Cor 6: "Don't be deceived......." God & HIs Word are one. There is no need to learn to read the Bible in (original) Koine Greek or any other foreign language.English Bible translations such as the KJV are faithful & correct on this issue.It's just that we have to face that there are [some] pple who are going to do their own thing on issues such as this (same w/divorce&adultery) & that God will address it ultimately. One must remain faithful to their own conscience & not sin
As christians, we shd not be all that disturbed by what he is stating & , in fact, shd, be able to agree on a major point with him. Firstly recognize that because a prolific or famous person claims to believe and/or follow Christian teachings does NOT mean that they are actually a disciple. Be sure to see 1st Tim4 & Jude chapter1. Where we can agree with Mr.Tonex, is that one can be 'born' homosexual just as one is "born" like all sinners as a fornicators, adulterer, liar, etc., But Jesus SAVES
@shieldsff eh, what the heck where is this coming from. next time you judge somebody. judge all of them, not just his sexuality. which actually has nothing to do with this video smh. talk about the spirit of the pharisees smh
your statement is extremely confused.; there are a number of passages in scriptures which speak directly to the issue of judging (who is to judge, how to judge, who will be judged, etc,);you cite none, neither offer any context. What makes you think I am 'judging' anyone ? For one thing, how can anyone be acting like a 'pharisee" when I merely cite the teachings of Jesus himself & His apostles. Aren't you, in fact, like them when they accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Satan?
@shieldsff no breh YOUR confused first of all Jesus said, "a NEW commandment that I giveth unto to you that you should love one another." first off scientific proof, sexual orientation CANNOT be changed! its NOT a medical issue, its not a SICKness, its who they are! If you havent been in their shoes, your preaching is really no use because its a lie!. how can you preach to someone and yet you never ben in their shoes. and lastly people think that homosexuality is a choice when its CLEARLY NOT!!!
setting aside the that you changed the subject, your assertion is oddly self-centered. A physician need never suffer from ALS or Alzheimer to possess beneficial expertise in treating it. A man of God need never be an inveterate liar, murderer, rapist nor a thief to counsel any of the persons on how to find the Lord and healing their soul . In fact, the Bible instructs that a righteous teacher shd be completely of mature & upright character.Any believer can take heed of the word & obey it.
@shieldsff wll im a believer of christ an i can tell you that im a living proof. I am a PROUD gay christian. been this way since i can remember. and its part of who I am and that God created me this way. Tonex who is now bslade is taking a giant step for alot of gay christians out there. you cant tell me that God is not real. God is real and i blieve in my heart that God DOES make Gay pople. and we are made in his image. you can believe or not
You're right- I cannot tell closed-minded folks anything! I can certainly note that U raise a strawman argument -ask UR "pastor"maybe?!? What matters 2 U: The word of God is clear that the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin & gives knowledge of truth & righteousness.So R the teachings of the BIble & the revelations given to mature believers also arbitrary to you? God said His word is the light to our path. Apostle Paul declared no homosexuals will inherit the Kingdom- can he tell U anything?
@shieldsff Paul uses the word "Arsenokoitai", which is not found in any extant Greek writings until the second century when it apparently means "pederast", a corrupter of boys, and again in the sixth century when it is used for husbands practicing anal intercourse with their wives. "Arsenokoitai" is made up of two parts: "arsen" means "man"; "koitai" means "beds." Although the word in English Bibles is interpreted as referring to homosexuals, its not the same homosexuals as today!
ooow-weeeee- I'm so glad you know that word ! Where did you study koine greek? You do know that in other passages this word is paired w/ 'malakois'. Since YOU introduced this word, would you like to explain now to everyone WHY Paul used this particular word since there were a number of other greek words (INCLUDING PEDERAST) at his disposal ? Of course, it is not 'homosexual' per se (since this is a modern term). I can't tell U anything, but to others check out the Dr. Michael Brown debate
@shieldsff cool ill look him up. i like a challenge. and for the record, homosexuality is not a sin because you were born that way. I didnt choose to have black hair and brown eyes. or If someone is born black and they want to white, you can put makeup or bleach yourself until you look like michael jackson but deep down you are still black. its who you are. so build a bridge and get over it.
OK, thanks. And yeah, again, I understand that no one can teach you anything so I offer those to others as well. But to you, again, I cannot concede your assertion that one is 'born' gay which is complete conjecture. Assuming that it were true, would you even concede that having been born so, it constitutes a type of 'birth defect'. Further, assuming this were a congenital defect, are you saying you would consent to curing it if possible. No association between skin pigment & biological gender
@shieldsff LOL @birthdefect. we still can go on with this argument but it will not change my mind. over the years of praying the gay way didnt work because I found out why he didnt heal me, he didnt heal me because there is nothing wrong with me. we came so far from slavery(which paul endorsed it) and interacial relationships. now i know that someday christian churches will accept and tolerate people like me. and my last statement is this. God dont make mistakes, people do. created in his image!
You 'proudly' mention [the] 'gay christian movement (even though God strongly condemns & resists the proud). Could you clarify that? Where in the Bible is it taught that Christians ought to distinguish themselves or establish their identity in Christ Jesus predicated on sexuality? In fact, we are told there is only one Lord, one faith & one baptism into the body of Christ Jesus. Is it not possible that U R deceived ? Does the Bible encourage proud adulterers, thieves, pedophiles& drunkards too
@shieldsff If he had, he would have used the word "paiderasste." That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males. We can conclude that he probably meant something different than people who engaged in male-male adult sexual behavior. Some scholars think probably the second century use might come closest to Paul's intention. If so, there is no justification for translating the word as "homosexuals."
@saunei - Again, I fully understand that I cannot teach you anything, but to everyone else I recommend the debate here on youtube with Dr, Michael Brown and Harry Knox . Read Matt 19 and Mark 10
OBVIOUSLY, Paul did not write the epistles in the 2nd century, but in the first century addressing an entire panoply of condition & circumstances. Had Paul intended to single out pederasts he could have used the technical term paiderastïs. Also see the work of clinical psychologist Stanton Jones
@OfficialENXO That comment I made earlier may sound ignorant to the unlearned/ignorant, but it's the truth. I apologize that you can't handle the truth. Study to show thyself approved and let no man deceive you!!!
@tylanleelong tell that to the jumping shouting singers, praise teams, choirs, preachers, and saints the next time you go to church and see folks running up and down isles, rolling on the floor doing back flips. I bet if you saw David dance out his clothes you would've scrutinized him too and said he was a stripper right? Hmm...
this class there is a good one. The backing vocals are wonderful. everything is perfect! God bless everyone there!
wandersonsoul 3 months ago
I disagree that that the greek word Apostle Paul uses "Arsenokoitai" lacks a consensus of meaning among reputable Bible scholars. I recommend the debate here on YT with Dr, Michael Brown & Harry Knox .Read Matt 19 and Mark 10. Paul wrote in the first century addressing an entire panoply of SPIRITUAL conditions. Paul had numerous terms to address the sins & ills of his day so your argument begs the question of why he chose THAT word. Also see the work of clinical psychologist Stanton Jones
shieldsff 5 months ago
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Correct-Cor 6: "Don't be deceived......." God & HIs Word are one. There is no need to learn to read the Bible in (original) Koine Greek or any other foreign language.English Bible translations such as the KJV are faithful & correct on this issue.It's just that we have to face that there are [some] pple who are going to do their own thing on issues such as this (same w/divorce&adultery) & that God will address it ultimately. One must remain faithful to their own conscience & not sin
shieldsff 1 month ago
As christians, we shd not be all that disturbed by what he is stating & , in fact, shd, be able to agree on a major point with him. Firstly recognize that because a prolific or famous person claims to believe and/or follow Christian teachings does NOT mean that they are actually a disciple. Be sure to see 1st Tim4 & Jude chapter1. Where we can agree with Mr.Tonex, is that one can be 'born' homosexual just as one is "born" like all sinners as a fornicators, adulterer, liar, etc., But Jesus SAVES
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff eh, what the heck where is this coming from. next time you judge somebody. judge all of them, not just his sexuality. which actually has nothing to do with this video smh. talk about the spirit of the pharisees smh
saunei 5 months ago
your statement is extremely confused.; there are a number of passages in scriptures which speak directly to the issue of judging (who is to judge, how to judge, who will be judged, etc,);you cite none, neither offer any context. What makes you think I am 'judging' anyone ? For one thing, how can anyone be acting like a 'pharisee" when I merely cite the teachings of Jesus himself & His apostles. Aren't you, in fact, like them when they accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Satan?
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff no breh YOUR confused first of all Jesus said, "a NEW commandment that I giveth unto to you that you should love one another." first off scientific proof, sexual orientation CANNOT be changed! its NOT a medical issue, its not a SICKness, its who they are! If you havent been in their shoes, your preaching is really no use because its a lie!. how can you preach to someone and yet you never ben in their shoes. and lastly people think that homosexuality is a choice when its CLEARLY NOT!!!
saunei 5 months ago
setting aside the that you changed the subject, your assertion is oddly self-centered. A physician need never suffer from ALS or Alzheimer to possess beneficial expertise in treating it. A man of God need never be an inveterate liar, murderer, rapist nor a thief to counsel any of the persons on how to find the Lord and healing their soul . In fact, the Bible instructs that a righteous teacher shd be completely of mature & upright character.Any believer can take heed of the word & obey it.
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff wll im a believer of christ an i can tell you that im a living proof. I am a PROUD gay christian. been this way since i can remember. and its part of who I am and that God created me this way. Tonex who is now bslade is taking a giant step for alot of gay christians out there. you cant tell me that God is not real. God is real and i blieve in my heart that God DOES make Gay pople. and we are made in his image. you can believe or not
saunei 5 months ago
You're right- I cannot tell closed-minded folks anything! I can certainly note that U raise a strawman argument -ask UR "pastor"maybe?!? What matters 2 U: The word of God is clear that the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin & gives knowledge of truth & righteousness.So R the teachings of the BIble & the revelations given to mature believers also arbitrary to you? God said His word is the light to our path. Apostle Paul declared no homosexuals will inherit the Kingdom- can he tell U anything?
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff Paul uses the word "Arsenokoitai", which is not found in any extant Greek writings until the second century when it apparently means "pederast", a corrupter of boys, and again in the sixth century when it is used for husbands practicing anal intercourse with their wives. "Arsenokoitai" is made up of two parts: "arsen" means "man"; "koitai" means "beds." Although the word in English Bibles is interpreted as referring to homosexuals, its not the same homosexuals as today!
saunei 5 months ago
ooow-weeeee- I'm so glad you know that word ! Where did you study koine greek? You do know that in other passages this word is paired w/ 'malakois'. Since YOU introduced this word, would you like to explain now to everyone WHY Paul used this particular word since there were a number of other greek words (INCLUDING PEDERAST) at his disposal ? Of course, it is not 'homosexual' per se (since this is a modern term). I can't tell U anything, but to others check out the Dr. Michael Brown debate
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff cool ill look him up. i like a challenge. and for the record, homosexuality is not a sin because you were born that way. I didnt choose to have black hair and brown eyes. or If someone is born black and they want to white, you can put makeup or bleach yourself until you look like michael jackson but deep down you are still black. its who you are. so build a bridge and get over it.
saunei 5 months ago
OK, thanks. And yeah, again, I understand that no one can teach you anything so I offer those to others as well. But to you, again, I cannot concede your assertion that one is 'born' gay which is complete conjecture. Assuming that it were true, would you even concede that having been born so, it constitutes a type of 'birth defect'. Further, assuming this were a congenital defect, are you saying you would consent to curing it if possible. No association between skin pigment & biological gender
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff LOL @birthdefect. we still can go on with this argument but it will not change my mind. over the years of praying the gay way didnt work because I found out why he didnt heal me, he didnt heal me because there is nothing wrong with me. we came so far from slavery(which paul endorsed it) and interacial relationships. now i know that someday christian churches will accept and tolerate people like me. and my last statement is this. God dont make mistakes, people do. created in his image!
saunei 5 months ago
You 'proudly' mention [the] 'gay christian movement (even though God strongly condemns & resists the proud). Could you clarify that? Where in the Bible is it taught that Christians ought to distinguish themselves or establish their identity in Christ Jesus predicated on sexuality? In fact, we are told there is only one Lord, one faith & one baptism into the body of Christ Jesus. Is it not possible that U R deceived ? Does the Bible encourage proud adulterers, thieves, pedophiles& drunkards too
shieldsff 5 months ago
@shieldsff If he had, he would have used the word "paiderasste." That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males. We can conclude that he probably meant something different than people who engaged in male-male adult sexual behavior. Some scholars think probably the second century use might come closest to Paul's intention. If so, there is no justification for translating the word as "homosexuals."
saunei 5 months ago
@saunei - Again, I fully understand that I cannot teach you anything, but to everyone else I recommend the debate here on youtube with Dr, Michael Brown and Harry Knox . Read Matt 19 and Mark 10
OBVIOUSLY, Paul did not write the epistles in the 2nd century, but in the first century addressing an entire panoply of condition & circumstances. Had Paul intended to single out pederasts he could have used the technical term paiderastïs. Also see the work of clinical psychologist Stanton Jones
shieldsff 5 months ago
Praise Him.! I know rhis song is workn on me for sure as a yung christian.
lylmissnoeitall97 6 months ago
he nailed it!!!!
saunei 6 months ago
I love Tonex as for the screaming and jumping that's what he does. That's why I like to watch him perform.
lady534021 6 months ago
Did it :)
zl33ify 6 months ago
with the lakers style suit, killin it.
1stclassrecordings 8 months ago
was that uncle eddie baltrip and fulfillment backin him up???
robbiemack81 9 months ago
!!!! O_o
This is not possible.
Gumikrukon 1 year ago
i knowww!! my battery was dyin:(
areli644 1 year ago
Workin' it out for THE LORD! Wish this was longer.
altylea 1 year ago
I LUV TONEX!!!
dbree79 1 year ago
He's singing praises to his father, THE DEVIL. A mess.
towanzaify 1 year ago
@towanzaify .............. you are ignorant.
OfficialENXO 9 months ago
@OfficialENXO That comment I made earlier may sound ignorant to the unlearned/ignorant, but it's the truth. I apologize that you can't handle the truth. Study to show thyself approved and let no man deceive you!!!
towanzaify 9 months ago
@towanzaify "Let no man deceive you." Couldn't have said it better myself. I am not deceived by you.
OfficialENXO 9 months ago
The Devil!!!
abrooks270 1 year ago
@abrooks270 I CONCUR!!!
towanzaify 1 year ago
this is a hot mess, it don't take all this to sing a song, i would ask for a refund, a tru circus show
tylanleelong 1 year ago
@tylanleelong tell that to the jumping shouting singers, praise teams, choirs, preachers, and saints the next time you go to church and see folks running up and down isles, rolling on the floor doing back flips. I bet if you saw David dance out his clothes you would've scrutinized him too and said he was a stripper right? Hmm...
OfficialENXO 9 months ago
seriously this dude is not human!
musikkidd 1 year ago
some of those are michael jackson moves for sure...
briceroxley 1 year ago
GET IT TONEX! SING THAT SONG!
cdcruizer05 1 year ago
sistah divine showin lov from texas. i lov this song. yo fam 619
charlenehester40 2 years ago
I LUVVV TONex!!
righteousness16 2 years ago
Even so, i thank god 4 him. his music has encouraged me and literally save my life. i dont know where i would have been without it
latrellhutson1 2 years ago
very nice quality, Tonex got a lil MJ goin' on
4theLoveOfMuzikk 2 years ago
This is a super quality footage. The colors are so clear!
anointedtouch 2 years ago 2
What kind of camera are you using? The quality of this video is great!
Quimarlee 2 years ago 2
I love the scatting he did : )
mehmechielikduh 2 years ago
HE REElli NAiilED iit!
areli644 2 years ago
Great shot, Areli! Excellent Tonex! Just Excellent!
GsShay 2 years ago