Tom Woods on Freedom Watch 07/03/10 p.2/5

[pablocoon]

Tom Woods owns. Listen and learn hookers!

[DCUPtoejuice]

I am getting really sick of hearing that we cannot learn anything from NAZI Germany because it ended in mass murder. How stupid is that!

[pretorious700]

Monica's hair needs freedom

[angusmcphooey]

Thomas Woods is being dishonest here. When asked why some people associate nullification with racism, a real historian would have responded that, in the 1950s and 1960s, southern states used nullification and interposition in an attempt to keep African-Americans segregated and subjugated. Instead, he pulls the unrelated Hitler card from nowhere. What a joke.

[Hashishin13]

@angusmcphooey "the unrelated Hitler card"?

Your the joke. Hitler wrote about how Lincolns war on the south was a good thing, not because it freed the slaves but because it helped centralized power and squash the idea of states rights. When he later gained power he steamrolled the German states which had only been unified less then 50 years earlier, creating his oppressive Nazi Germany.

still think it was "from nowhere"?

I agree he should have mentioned the earlier use, but time was limited.

[DRNevans]

@angusmcphooey Given that nullification was used much more often on behalf of freedom (you do know how New England used it in the early 19th cent and then against the fugitive-slave laws, right?), the question is why OVERALL would an IDEA, which is in itself neutral, should be forever associated with one episode instead of consdiered within the context of U.S. history as a whole. YOU are the dishonest one. More likely, like most Americans, you simply didn't know this history.

[DRNevans]

@angusmcphooey The Hitler point is unrelated? You honestly don't find it interesting that the great tyrants held exactly the same view of political organization that you do? Why does that not interest you, even for a second?

How did the lack of nullification serve Japanese-Americans in the 1940s? You are unbelievably blind to the crimes of centralized states.

[19Truth53]

Barnett is no 'Libertarian.' No 'Libertarian' would suggest Nullification is not legitimate right now, as it was in 1798.

[BadgeringTheWitness1]

@19Truth53 Barnett is arguing from the perspective of the Constitution and think that the ability to use Nullification isn't there. Barnett most certainly is a libertarian (he's argued for anarcho-capitalism).

[19Truth53]

Arguing for anarcho-capitalism doesn't ipso facto make someone a 'Libertarian' any more than Glenn Beck claiming to be a 'Libertarian.' Tom Woods is dead-on correct about the use of Nullification to challenge any and all unconstitutional Federal Laws. The only "ability" anyone needs is simply the GUMPTION to invoke it, then stick to their guns in the face of what will surely be a Federal challenge to it.

[BadgeringTheWitness1]

@19Truth53 I don't know what other definition of libertarian you have. Beck has not argued for anarcho-capitalism; Barnett has. End of story.

I don't know if Woods is right, but Barnett is speaking as if he is resigned to its ultimate failure in the American court system. At least that's what I took away from it when I watched this a few weeks ago.

[19Truth53]

Beck has routinely labled himself a 'Libertarian.' He's not. Like Beck, Barnett can call himself anything he wants, including 'Libertarian.' Just saying so and taking a few 'Libertarian' stances doesn't make him one, either. Nullification is legitimate, and Woods ( a REAL 'Libertarian') is dead on correct while Barnett is dead wrong.

[BadgeringTheWitness1]

@19Truth53 Ok lol

Look, if you've read "The Structure of Liberty" you will see he is not libertarian in name only. From Wiki:

"Barnett argues that private adjudication and enforcement of law, with market forces eliminating inefficiencies and inequities, is the only legal system that can provide adequate solutions to the problems of interest, power, and knowledge. Barnett uses the term "polycentric constitutional order" for anarcho-capitalism[1] in his argument in favor of this philosophy."

[19Truth53]

You can "LOL" all you want, sparky! Bill Kristol can call himself a "conservative" all day, but in the end he's nothing but a card-carrying NEOCON. 'Nullification' is a clear, LIBERTARIAN idea which rightly resides the power of 'government' in the HANDS OF THE PEOPLE (who CREATED 'government'). If Barnett cannot understand this then he's no 'Libertarian,' but just some 'Bill Kristol' who identifies HIMSELF with a movement (for whatever reason).



[BadgeringTheWitness1]

@19Truth53 I doesn't matter what Barnett thinks should or shouldn't be the case, he is merely stating his legal opinion that nullification will not hold up in the U.S. court systems! He is most likely sympathetic to nullification since he is an ANARCHO-CAPITALIST LIBERTARIAN. Read "The Structure of Liberty" and tell me that he's not a libertarian.

Why can't you realize this? Barnett in this vid is only talking about the legality of nullification, not the validity or desirability.

[BadgeringTheWitness1]

@19Truth53 Go to 5:23 and you'll see what I am talking about. It's pretty obvious Barnett supports it in theory, but in practice in terms of what the U.S. State and legal system recognizes, he is saying it would be rejected.

[selfrealizedexile]

Tom Woods should substitute sometimes for Napolitano or Beck. Probably wouldn't ever happen, but that would be the shit.

[TheGodofAtheists]

I have always liked tom woods but he him self doesn't believe in rights, he is an anarchist. Now what is he doing arguing about rights, about things that don't exist. "I have a right" ...um, where? can you show me it? right they don't exist. this makes no sense

[selfrealizedexile]

@TheGodofAtheists

He believes in the Natural Law. You can say you don't believe in it, but he does and will, and in my eyes justifiably so, defend himself if assaulted.

[LibertyWins2012]

@TheGodofAtheists A weird objection. You think anarchists don't believe in rights? Have you ever read Murray Rothbard?

[Hashishin13]

@ Go look up anarcho-capitalism, its anarchy in that the government has to be voluntary, but it is based on property rights, including self ownership.

[66605]

Why does Prof. Barnett think the Constitution must authorize nullification in order for it to be a valid exercise of state authority? Isn't he aware of the 9th and 10th Amendments? WTF!

[jppuertorico85]

Monica Crowley doesn't get it, she thinks nullification is the state using the court system. Nullification is far more bad ass than that!

[CurtHowland]

Over in the Youtube user MisesMedia archive, you'll find Woods giving a talk in the "Economics for Highschoolers"

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The highschool students give him a STANDING OVATION! How many history teachers can say that?

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(Ok, I saw James Burke of "Connections" fame get such an ovation, but that's the only other one, That was a great talk, even though he'd drunk the Global Warming coolaid)

[SoINeedAName48]

Tom Woods is a fucking racist asshole.

[CurtHowland]

@SoINeedAName48 is a Zombie!

[pretorious700]

@SoINeedAName48 Please expand, I'm sure you have some great insight to share.

[bowtie728]

Don't worry, its three laws safe.

[bigG010]

can we get a "Abolish the 17th Amendment" push started?!!!?

[libertarianjury]

Voluntaryists are right about everything except eschewing electoral politics. Why take one tool "off the table"? We need to regain individual freedom using all tactics and strategies. Those who are good at getting libertarians elected may not be good at practicing counter-economics, or arguing nullification in court. A movement is critical mass in all areas, with each person specializing and working synergistically with all other areas. Tom Woods is a great example of this. :D

[Sinisterene]

Man, republicans are weird

I thought her head was going to explode

[Shadyhunter04]

"In certain cases" -- Code for when it corresponds to my neocon ideology.

[1966Caribe]

Mr. Woods, your financial commentaries are insightful, accurate and astute. And just so long as you never attempt to interject any of that Catholic mumbo-jumbo in with it, I'm with you all the way. You tend to separate your spiritual beliefs from your professional career which is more than I can say for some.

[SuperJoeAnonymous]

I always laugh when I hear pundits talk about states challenging federal law....in FEDERAL courts.

It's like the morons that go into court to gight traffic tickets-which convict well over 90% of them. The cops & judges see each other every day and become cordial...hell in many municipalities cops server as both the prosecutors and witnesses..which is incredibly illegal(by constitutional standards) and ethically wrong. Anyway, it is simply a "kangaroo court"-just like it would be in fed courts

[Telpeurion]

Hamilton knew that Jefferson wouldn't be shy to extend federal power once he was in power, and Hamilton was right. Jefferson was a hypocrite.

[jeffersonianideal]

@Telpeurion I'll gladly take some of that good ol' Jefferson hypocrisy over what this country has had for the last 100 years or so. Despite the fact that no President is perfect, one would have to turn the clock back to Grover Cleveland in order to find a chief executive who abided by the Constitution to such an extent.

[slippy0001]

@Telpeurion

I must agree, he overstepped in the Louisiana Purchase but, that's why the tools need to be kept in place...even the mighty stewards of liberty fall.

[fsujag54]

Tom is one of the most articulate defenders of freedom in the liberty movement. Glad to see him on TV. Can't wait to read the book.

[coolerdoncooper]

I don't get the law professor's argument. If the purpose of the constitution is to limit fed. power then who else but the states to say when they've exceeded them? Does he propose the fed gov make that decision? That's tantamount to having the fox guard the hen house. It's seems to me that the concept of nullification is a logical extension of the constitution.

[CurtHowland]

All this praise for Tom Woods, and Woods is just ONE of the excellent scholars at the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

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youtube/user/misesmedia

[TobiasParker]

Thomas woods is the Jefferson of the 21st century, and he would hate to see someone say that but I cannot lie.

[MalikKillian]

The "Virginia Amendment" wouldn't be necessary if Senators were APPOINTED (as originally stated in the Constitution). Senators are supposed to be the voice of the state governments in Washington.

[trekkerperson]

Woods is the one of the best out there speaking for liberty.

[lewis121701]

Don't tell that to Mark Levine , Sean Hannity or BABA O'Reilly....;-)

[bobsacamano1]

Tom Woods is definitely one of my favorites

[iFreedom4ever]

@bobsacamano1 i hope the judge has him back soon, and for the entire show.

[CurtHowland]

@bobsacamano1 Woods is an excellent speaker, I recommend checking out /user/misesmedia and especially his "economics for highschoolers".

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The students gave Tom Woods a standing ovation!