The truth is yes it was sneaky.. not telling her etc. but the truth is if any of us ever got the chance to speak to our favourite star we'd probably record it also! It's not the fact he recorded it, it's the fact that someone has gotten hold of it and is putting it on YouTube.. so if you want to rant and bitch about it, perhaps you all should be telling those that put the video up how low they are!! Because to me that is just as bad if not worse...
@one4all1000 Oh and ps before anyone slams me, I don't condone what he did. But just pointing out it happened, but to me it's also just as bad as people such as the poster of this video putting it up on YouTube!!
This guy is a total weirdo.. But it's interesting to listen to Lorna and hear Judy too. Wayne was a sicko though. Lorna mentioned people like this in her memoir the men who call up and follow her around thinking they love her.
This guy is making me sick.She needed food and NO ONE could help her because why? Who is Nancy Barr? No one helped her her children were hungry where was Sid?All the I wish can't turn back the hands of time.But people were fucked up to her in her time of need.They were hungry.And no one came to her rescue.Its a nasty world we live in and Judy felt how real that is.
Oh good grief, Lorna and Judy are trying to get what things people have said out of him, and he won't say because he doesn't have that covered on his malicious scheme of his. Bless their dear hearts . . . We love you, Judy.
Oh good grief, Lorna and Judy are trying to get it out of him, and he won't say because he doesn't have that covered on his malicious scheme of his. Bless their dear hearts . . . We love you, Judy.
That's NOTHING. Wayne used to have people over to his house and he'd play these tapes for them-while Judy was ALIVE. He was a stalker, and a cunt, and a bastard.
why would u call & say "ol' girl been talking about you a bunch." and then not say what ol' girl actually said. this dude is a sour gossip that was trying to get all up in judy's business and be able to say "i talk to judy garland and know blah blah" GIRL BYE! at this point, judy was desperate for survival- and the least he could do was be human and try to REALLY help her. people used her to the end. she was the most amazing woman. people destroyed her. we love you judy- even in 2010 we love u.
@yellow85 Yes we do love her today for sure. A scum bag to the hilt but how gracious she was and I don't think he was wise to him. How kind she was and wanted fans to love and respect her. She was truly destoryed from her youth by addiction to pills because they said her weight was a problem, as many actors and died by addiction, including Elvis Presley, how sad and what great loss to society.
rest assure, and I am am pretty dam intuitive when it comes to some things and I can tell you this, Judy was totally on top of everything this asshole was about and she was playing it very smooth with him. She was not fooled in any way by anything he had to say.
What a liar this Wayne Newton is!! Poor Judy beleived his TRIPE. I could almost cry. It's "awful hard for him to say" because its more than likely all BS. Poor Judy..
This guy is a creep! Notice how he avoids committing any of his "accusations" to the conversation. He even seemed to get flustered a bit when Lorna pressed him for information. I'm sure he was "secretly" recording this in order to obtain proof of some sort of "verbal contract" with Judy regarding the exclusive use of his photos in a book.
More proof that Judy's life could have been different, if she'd been surrounded by more caring people.
Wayne was a good friend to Judy! If you all had the chance to listen to the entire recordings, perhaps you'd think differently of Wayne. Listen, if Judy found Wayne so repulsive, she simply would not have taken his calls. you all should be ashamed of yourselves. Judy symbolized love and she most certainly loved Wayne~so GROW UP!
Wayne Martin is gone now and a good thing, too. I can't believe someone could be so low as to surreptiously record a phone conversation and hint about negative things said about Judy but then not elaborate. He sounds like a stalking psycho and I'm glad Judy never found out he was just one more asshole who wanted to use her legend and her fame to further their own sick agendas. Judy was and is the best we will ever see. RIP Miss Gumm.
Sweet Jesus, this is so sad -- she was so desperate. She needed food for her kids and herself, and was so open about reaching out.... I wish I could have helped her. If only someone would have given to her without taking with both hands. How do you like that LORNA??? Amazing the way she told him what she thinks he should do -- and she did what Judy didn't: she pressed the hell outta him for the specific details about Nancy Whoseewhats!!! (Judy in the background, "You can tell her....") WOW!...
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing - very surprised at how pressing Lorna was (and rightfully so) And I can't believe the little bastard didn't budge.
"Somebody is saying bad, wicked things about you -- making your fans upset and cry. What are they saying? Uhhh...ummmm...can't say. Details? Can't give." That is some of the most ambiguous poison I have ever heard. Of course the person can't give details -- can't do that if 1) the story isn't true and/or 2) you are on tape & may be held accountable.
she was a reporter, and live with liza and judy for a while, it is rumored that she had affairs with both of them, and even tried to mess around with lorna, and when judy found that out she of course! made her leave and hated her after that! but nancy is still living and does some sort of animal rescue now! from what i've heard she was not a nice person! but we can't know any of this for sure...we were noot there! lol :)
I seriously think this Wayne dude was a sociopath. Wanting any piece of Judy he could get with no regard to her well being at all. He's also a celebrity stalker, and his voice sounds very menacing and manipulative. Like a killer almost. Seriously, listen to the way he pronounces his words. Sinister.
Wayne is completely ingenuous. He was probably a spy for Nancy Barr. He was a "feeler". Can't say what the details are...oh dear... you put me in a spot.
where is the audio where Wayne says Judy if you could come up with such & such, I think I could get Nancy Barr to shut up. that probably happened. get money from Judy or the fans so I can pilfer it. I got a lawyer down South ( yeah Wayne's lawyer). Wayne I don't want to give you ideas, but we can hear the saliva.
can i just say this man is truely manipulative, you can hear it in every word that comes out of his mouth! what a sneaky caniving person to do that to someone you supposedly loved and were a huge fan of ! maybe if judy had less people like that in her lfe, she would have lasted longer than she did!! i will say hearing these recordings does make judy seem real to me! she was such an amazing person! rip judy <3
i don't mean celeb stalker creep i mean part psycho part gold digger hence blackmail setup why keep bringing up this bullshit about the bitch sayin stuff she's got stuff? Judy just shut him down.. you can tell Lorna. why? there was nothing that he had. she was feeling him out.
but i think Judy was puttin him on...i.e. she was playing him. you can tell Lorna...after he is saying that this bitch has been saying stuff. sounds like it a big house of cards all around. weird. dont think Judy was in the bathroom for one minute. she was listening in at the last moment. this guy was a celeb stalker creep. why she entertained him, we have to find out.
judy putting lorna on the phone and listening while he thinks she is in the bathroom does seem like something Judy would do. That guy is such a creep! He does seem manipulative. You can tell by the tone in his voice
Not sure I understand the negative reaction. Sure, he's probably a die hard fan with the "Judy Garland gene" and yes, he is recording the call - but do we know for sure she doesn't know this? He seem's genuinely supportive and seems to be reaching out during a troubled time for her. While he doesn't want to talk dirt about this Nancy Barr - it could be he was trrying to be discreet. Plus, Garland has been dead 40 years - is it so terrible this is surfacing now? How does it hurt her?
He stirred it up then doesn't follow through with the facts. Strange thing to do. No matter how many times he's asked to repeat it, he won't and I know nothing of this story or history, just came here by chance. But it does sound weird.
What a piece of crap he was. It kind of was obvious that he was recording it when he used her name in their conversation several dozen times. Of course she was so trusting of him it didn't even dawn on her. :( sad sad.
what a asshole!!!!! not only did he record judy saying she needs food and more, but that he is recording a conversation with lorna!!!!it's so obvious that lorna is very young here as well and how he is also talking bout this nancy person with lorna....i think this is so wrong
How dare he share a tape of the greatest star of all time saying she could use food and help. A real friend would NEVER have taped this or made it public. All I know about Nancy Barr is she took amazing candid shots of Judy both on stage and in her private life. I wish she would publish them.
What bothers me about this phone call is that Mr. Martin 'seems' intent on making Nancy the bad person, however, he refuses to go into detail about what Nancy is allegedly saying (kind of skirting the issue). If he is really being a true friend to Judy, wouldn't he want her to have all the facts about what Nancy is saying about Judy? If he were 'protecting' Judy, why would he even mention any of this to her? It seems to me that he is adding fuel to an already raging fire...IMHO
Nancy Barr is a wonderful person and as much as I love Judy Garland she was a wacko. Even Liza could not take her craziness at this point in Judy's life. No one could. Even Lorna finally had to leave. Poor Judy but it's the truth.
Scorchingly tragic. Adjusted for inflation, Judy Garland made billions for MGM, the record companies, Vegas, stage, radio. Among all of these venues, she made more dough than anyone...and yet her husbands and business managers were unable to protect her millions. Destitute. It was clear to anyone that this tremendously gifted woman was also very ill for much of her life. Someone should have looked out for her, should've made sure at least some of her money was protected. There was enough of it.
What Judy did repeatedly was have a "public relations man" or "secretary" live with her, and often this person would do everything- and I mean everything- for Judy. This includes her last 3 husbands. But sometimes it was a female; in this case Nancy Barr. When Judy got tired of the person- who often supported Judy financially- she dumped them. Barr rebelled and went around boasting about her past relationship with Judy. The latest to cash in on Life With Judy in a big way? Lorna herself.
You're wrong people- Wayne Martin was true, upright and devoted friend and fan to Judy,
as well as being the curator for an unprecedented collection of pricless Judy
artifacts. And, remember Judy at this point needed friends and helping hands. Wayne was always there. So, please cut him some slack here. He as truly on her side!!!
I agree! I mean, who calls somebody up to find out how they are and records it? It seems like he's baiting her to spill her guts simply because he's recording it for his own gain. Sheesh. Imagine she thinks he cares about her and she has zero privacy even in a phone call.
The truth is yes it was sneaky.. not telling her etc. but the truth is if any of us ever got the chance to speak to our favourite star we'd probably record it also! It's not the fact he recorded it, it's the fact that someone has gotten hold of it and is putting it on YouTube.. so if you want to rant and bitch about it, perhaps you all should be telling those that put the video up how low they are!! Because to me that is just as bad if not worse...
one4all1000 6 days ago
@one4all1000 Oh and ps before anyone slams me, I don't condone what he did. But just pointing out it happened, but to me it's also just as bad as people such as the poster of this video putting it up on YouTube!!
one4all1000 6 days ago
So sad that she was broke. Shoulda cut her a check! Never should have recorded her. Not good.
SenorZorrozzz 1 month ago
This is why I'm so anti-social!
LibranWay 5 months ago
he couldnt even tell her...omg! WHAT A BITCH!!! This makes me so mad at wayne and so wanting to help judy and give her evrything she EVER deserved!
misslilah01 5 months ago
This guy is a total weirdo.. But it's interesting to listen to Lorna and hear Judy too. Wayne was a sicko though. Lorna mentioned people like this in her memoir the men who call up and follow her around thinking they love her.
WickedMusicalBuffalo 7 months ago
No, this call is important. Judy sounds so good here. Level headed and nice.
CliffordXHA1 7 months ago
Lorna is so cute!
demigrl21 8 months ago
what a scumbag piece of shit he is !!! i love you judy
judyross28 8 months ago
This guy is making me sick.She needed food and NO ONE could help her because why? Who is Nancy Barr? No one helped her her children were hungry where was Sid?All the I wish can't turn back the hands of time.But people were fucked up to her in her time of need.They were hungry.And no one came to her rescue.Its a nasty world we live in and Judy felt how real that is.
pusspleaser134 8 months ago
Total douche bag. I wish I could just hug Judy...
mck718 9 months ago
Oh good grief, Lorna and Judy are trying to get what things people have said out of him, and he won't say because he doesn't have that covered on his malicious scheme of his. Bless their dear hearts . . . We love you, Judy.
JudyGarland38 1 year ago
Oh good grief, Lorna and Judy are trying to get it out of him, and he won't say because he doesn't have that covered on his malicious scheme of his. Bless their dear hearts . . . We love you, Judy.
JudyGarland38 1 year ago
That's NOTHING. Wayne used to have people over to his house and he'd play these tapes for them-while Judy was ALIVE. He was a stalker, and a cunt, and a bastard.
ericlovesjudy 1 year ago
That's NOTHING. Wayne used to have people over to his house and he'd play these tapes for them-while Judy was ALIVE.
ericlovesjudy 1 year ago
why would u call & say "ol' girl been talking about you a bunch." and then not say what ol' girl actually said. this dude is a sour gossip that was trying to get all up in judy's business and be able to say "i talk to judy garland and know blah blah" GIRL BYE! at this point, judy was desperate for survival- and the least he could do was be human and try to REALLY help her. people used her to the end. she was the most amazing woman. people destroyed her. we love you judy- even in 2010 we love u.
yellow85 1 year ago
@yellow85 Yes we do love her today for sure. A scum bag to the hilt but how gracious she was and I don't think he was wise to him. How kind she was and wanted fans to love and respect her. She was truly destoryed from her youth by addiction to pills because they said her weight was a problem, as many actors and died by addiction, including Elvis Presley, how sad and what great loss to society.
drpsr58 1 year ago
rest assure, and I am am pretty dam intuitive when it comes to some things and I can tell you this, Judy was totally on top of everything this asshole was about and she was playing it very smooth with him. She was not fooled in any way by anything he had to say.
kyolym 1 year ago
What a liar this Wayne Newton is!! Poor Judy beleived his TRIPE. I could almost cry. It's "awful hard for him to say" because its more than likely all BS. Poor Judy..
Mr1920s 1 year ago
@Mr1920s
I don't really think that Ms. Garland was buying into any of this, she was just acting as though butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.
My father-in-law, who shared representation with Ms. Garland, always said that she was, "Talented as a motherfucker and wise as an owl."
This pseudo manipulative idiot wasn't pulling the wool over Judy's eyes, don't you worry.
thegirl44 1 year ago
This guy is a creep! Notice how he avoids committing any of his "accusations" to the conversation. He even seemed to get flustered a bit when Lorna pressed him for information. I'm sure he was "secretly" recording this in order to obtain proof of some sort of "verbal contract" with Judy regarding the exclusive use of his photos in a book.
More proof that Judy's life could have been different, if she'd been surrounded by more caring people.
veeganboy 2 years ago
she was such a darling.thats fucked up
shealways 2 years ago
Wayne was a good friend to Judy! If you all had the chance to listen to the entire recordings, perhaps you'd think differently of Wayne. Listen, if Judy found Wayne so repulsive, she simply would not have taken his calls. you all should be ashamed of yourselves. Judy symbolized love and she most certainly loved Wayne~so GROW UP!
damone77 2 years ago
This guy is an obvious lier.
pinkboypaul 2 years ago
Wayne Martin is gone now and a good thing, too. I can't believe someone could be so low as to surreptiously record a phone conversation and hint about negative things said about Judy but then not elaborate. He sounds like a stalking psycho and I'm glad Judy never found out he was just one more asshole who wanted to use her legend and her fame to further their own sick agendas. Judy was and is the best we will ever see. RIP Miss Gumm.
gwin1962 2 years ago
Very sad. Shame on all the people who took advantage of the greatest entertainer of all time.
MrKingsRow 2 years ago
This is the saddest thing I've ever heard.
ChucksCherubs 2 years ago
I wonder what her daughter, Lorna Luft would aay about this ?
demotttb 2 years ago
poor Judy, hear one of the greatest talents this world has ever seen saying "we're desperate in need of food and money"
nandesneto 2 years ago 2
Sweet Jesus, this is so sad -- she was so desperate. She needed food for her kids and herself, and was so open about reaching out.... I wish I could have helped her. If only someone would have given to her without taking with both hands. How do you like that LORNA??? Amazing the way she told him what she thinks he should do -- and she did what Judy didn't: she pressed the hell outta him for the specific details about Nancy Whoseewhats!!! (Judy in the background, "You can tell her....") WOW!...
mmdillons 2 years ago 2
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing - very surprised at how pressing Lorna was (and rightfully so) And I can't believe the little bastard didn't budge.
MikeSings82 2 years ago
Wayne was a bottom feeder.
NFitalianGuy 2 years ago
"Somebody is saying bad, wicked things about you -- making your fans upset and cry. What are they saying? Uhhh...ummmm...can't say. Details? Can't give." That is some of the most ambiguous poison I have ever heard. Of course the person can't give details -- can't do that if 1) the story isn't true and/or 2) you are on tape & may be held accountable.
ADenny12 2 years ago
who is Nancy Bar?
pipermaru2006 2 years ago
she was a reporter, and live with liza and judy for a while, it is rumored that she had affairs with both of them, and even tried to mess around with lorna, and when judy found that out she of course! made her leave and hated her after that! but nancy is still living and does some sort of animal rescue now! from what i've heard she was not a nice person! but we can't know any of this for sure...we were noot there! lol :)
merdy111 2 years ago
MM a shame that there is no subtitles
sneyder69 2 years ago
I seriously think this Wayne dude was a sociopath. Wanting any piece of Judy he could get with no regard to her well being at all. He's also a celebrity stalker, and his voice sounds very menacing and manipulative. Like a killer almost. Seriously, listen to the way he pronounces his words. Sinister.
landerrules 2 years ago
You can hear in the beginning that Lorna was trying to protect her. What an ass.
joplinfrk 2 years ago
This guy is a complete bastard!! It is illegal what this ass hole did. How dare he record a telephone conversation unknown to her? What a scumbag!!
caban70 2 years ago 9
Wayne is completely ingenuous. He was probably a spy for Nancy Barr. He was a "feeler". Can't say what the details are...oh dear... you put me in a spot.
up2space 2 years ago
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up2space 2 years ago
where is the audio where Wayne says Judy if you could come up with such & such, I think I could get Nancy Barr to shut up. that probably happened. get money from Judy or the fans so I can pilfer it. I got a lawyer down South ( yeah Wayne's lawyer). Wayne I don't want to give you ideas, but we can hear the saliva.
up2space 2 years ago
You put yourself on the spot, Wayne, you little bitch.
TheNepenther 2 years ago 2
can i just say this man is truely manipulative, you can hear it in every word that comes out of his mouth! what a sneaky caniving person to do that to someone you supposedly loved and were a huge fan of ! maybe if judy had less people like that in her lfe, she would have lasted longer than she did!! i will say hearing these recordings does make judy seem real to me! she was such an amazing person! rip judy <3
merdy111 2 years ago 10
i don't mean celeb stalker creep i mean part psycho part gold digger hence blackmail setup why keep bringing up this bullshit about the bitch sayin stuff she's got stuff? Judy just shut him down.. you can tell Lorna. why? there was nothing that he had. she was feeling him out.
up2space 2 years ago
but i think Judy was puttin him on...i.e. she was playing him. you can tell Lorna...after he is saying that this bitch has been saying stuff. sounds like it a big house of cards all around. weird. dont think Judy was in the bathroom for one minute. she was listening in at the last moment. this guy was a celeb stalker creep. why she entertained him, we have to find out.
up2space 2 years ago
judy putting lorna on the phone and listening while he thinks she is in the bathroom does seem like something Judy would do. That guy is such a creep! He does seem manipulative. You can tell by the tone in his voice
MissClassicTV1 2 years ago
he's insincere that's for sure. sounds like a blackmail setup.
up2space 2 years ago
Not sure I understand the negative reaction. Sure, he's probably a die hard fan with the "Judy Garland gene" and yes, he is recording the call - but do we know for sure she doesn't know this? He seem's genuinely supportive and seems to be reaching out during a troubled time for her. While he doesn't want to talk dirt about this Nancy Barr - it could be he was trrying to be discreet. Plus, Garland has been dead 40 years - is it so terrible this is surfacing now? How does it hurt her?
Billcoxyz 2 years ago
He stirred it up then doesn't follow through with the facts. Strange thing to do. No matter how many times he's asked to repeat it, he won't and I know nothing of this story or history, just came here by chance. But it does sound weird.
djbethell 2 years ago 2
Poor Judy. God forever hold her dear.
WizardOfOzfan94 3 years ago 2
And hey..." EARS OF LOVE"????
bjnevin 3 years ago
So annoying and weird....he sounds stalkerish.... There's a word for this guy.....but I'm not going to use it.......
bjnevin 3 years ago 2
question: how does one even get Judy Garland's number?
Statment: This man is a sicko who's either gay and obsessed or beating it to his massive "collection."
hobogirl1254 3 years ago
scandalous queen. RIP, Judy.
almamatters2471 3 years ago 2
This guy is horrible person
bbennett04 3 years ago 4
What a lame guy he is obviously just a gossiping queer
AndrewYBA 3 years ago 2
What a piece of crap he was. It kind of was obvious that he was recording it when he used her name in their conversation several dozen times. Of course she was so trusting of him it didn't even dawn on her. :( sad sad.
starrhiannon 3 years ago 2
what a asshole!!!!! not only did he record judy saying she needs food and more, but that he is recording a conversation with lorna!!!!it's so obvious that lorna is very young here as well and how he is also talking bout this nancy person with lorna....i think this is so wrong
lilchuy01 3 years ago
How dare he share a tape of the greatest star of all time saying she could use food and help. A real friend would NEVER have taped this or made it public. All I know about Nancy Barr is she took amazing candid shots of Judy both on stage and in her private life. I wish she would publish them.
Robert4770 3 years ago
this guy sounds like a fucking wacko.
xxlindsey1990xx 3 years ago 2
How horrible to do this to Judy and especially to Lorna! Terrible.
ccarozzo75 3 years ago
WAYNE IS A PSYCHO PIG
jessieandbump 2 years ago
why is he so reluctant to tell her what the things Barr has been saying?
Lorna asked him twice "what has she been saying?" and still he won't be drawn - makes me wonder was he trying to manipulate his own agenda
If it's just silly "tittle-tattle" as Martin says himself there'd be no harm in repeating it
That in itself makes me question his sincerity
grai 3 years ago 3
Poor, poor, Judy, she had too many stupid people in her life.
Mr1920s 3 years ago 2
What bothers me about this phone call is that Mr. Martin 'seems' intent on making Nancy the bad person, however, he refuses to go into detail about what Nancy is allegedly saying (kind of skirting the issue). If he is really being a true friend to Judy, wouldn't he want her to have all the facts about what Nancy is saying about Judy? If he were 'protecting' Judy, why would he even mention any of this to her? It seems to me that he is adding fuel to an already raging fire...IMHO
WitchyWonder 3 years ago
Nancy Barr is a wonderful person and as much as I love Judy Garland she was a wacko. Even Liza could not take her craziness at this point in Judy's life. No one could. Even Lorna finally had to leave. Poor Judy but it's the truth.
formermgmstar 3 years ago
he is so up her arse !
paulsimpson123 3 years ago
Scorchingly tragic. Adjusted for inflation, Judy Garland made billions for MGM, the record companies, Vegas, stage, radio. Among all of these venues, she made more dough than anyone...and yet her husbands and business managers were unable to protect her millions. Destitute. It was clear to anyone that this tremendously gifted woman was also very ill for much of her life. Someone should have looked out for her, should've made sure at least some of her money was protected. There was enough of it.
Vengeance509 3 years ago 3
doesn't creep me out at all. He sounds totally supportive
bengolly 3 years ago
Anyone that starts a fan club creeps me out. There's something of a molester in his tone.
starstuff 3 years ago
JordannMCx: I think he's taking about Nancy Barr - she used to run Liza Minnelli's fan club in the 1970's so obviously knew Judy before then...
foodlebabs 3 years ago
Who is this Nancy person they keep mentioning?
JordannMCx 3 years ago
What Judy did repeatedly was have a "public relations man" or "secretary" live with her, and often this person would do everything- and I mean everything- for Judy. This includes her last 3 husbands. But sometimes it was a female; in this case Nancy Barr. When Judy got tired of the person- who often supported Judy financially- she dumped them. Barr rebelled and went around boasting about her past relationship with Judy. The latest to cash in on Life With Judy in a big way? Lorna herself.
defundthewar 3 years ago
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bowmister 2 years ago
aww poor lorna..sounds so sweet..luvs her momma
shealways 3 years ago
where's his collection now?
Musicalgal88 3 years ago
You're wrong people- Wayne Martin was true, upright and devoted friend and fan to Judy,
as well as being the curator for an unprecedented collection of pricless Judy
artifacts. And, remember Judy at this point needed friends and helping hands. Wayne was always there. So, please cut him some slack here. He as truly on her side!!!
swimgymnyc 3 years ago
WAYNE WAS A FAGGOT ASSHOLE
jessieandbump 2 years ago
Dont attack fags honey.......keep it about the cunt Wayne and leave peopes sexuality out of it!!!
pinkboypaul 2 years ago
He also sounds like a creeper.
FaTaTh 3 years ago 3
I completely agree!!!
Musicalgal88 3 years ago
I agree! I mean, who calls somebody up to find out how they are and records it? It seems like he's baiting her to spill her guts simply because he's recording it for his own gain. Sheesh. Imagine she thinks he cares about her and she has zero privacy even in a phone call.
wen6pak 3 years ago 2
Wow, this guy is seriously a loser. I actually feel embarrassed for him.
FaTaTh 3 years ago 2