Cranial Sacral Massage Therapy : TMJ Compression Holds : Cranial Sacral Massage Therapy

[76777c]

cant see his facial hair is in the way

[SesyyyChunaj925]

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[MrD5147]

@hobojoe722 Hi Hobo,

Your Question - "why would you ask youtube for medical advice?" - is reasonable. Response - Youtube most likely has people living with TN, I seek to feedback from people living with the condition, (also professionals with insight to share) who have explored (ideally) different healing mediums. Cranial Sacral is one option. 1st concern - identify what has worked for other, 2nd - identify quality healers, as all healers are not equal. Thanks for responding. =)

[MrD5147]

Hello All,

I am in the early stage of identifying Treatment options Western, Alternative and Complementary which will Address Trigeminal Neuralgia. My early understanding is that it affects the Trigeminal Nerves in the Cranium and naturally thought working with a Cranial Sacral specialist may address this issue. Anyone have thoughts which can guide me as Ideally I seek solutions with the least amount of side effects, and adjustments seem to be superior to drugs or surgery if they work. thanks

[sweeetly]

I had a CST treatment and loved it. It felt like he wasn't doing much at first. Then I started to feel very relaxed and came out of it feeling on top of the world. He has 25 years experience I might add. The benefits are long lasting at least for me.

[josh0849]

Lucky ass sideburns getting a rub down.

[valdrich319]

The CS fluid you guys are referring to is found inside the spinal column and the brain cavity, not in the temporomandibular joint. If you have cerebrospinal fluid in your jaw you have a life and death problem, not a jaw ache. TMJ has no effect on skull pressure though it does affect the inner ear. Inaccuracies like that make these quack treatments all the more scary. I have had a few of these treatments from a longtime practitioner and they do not work.

[newmedstudent]

I understand...

But they worked for me...

[Iconman3]

@valdrich319 Hi ther, not all CST work is aiming at the CS fluid. This TMJ move is simple osteopathic moves. And it does work for hundreds of clients. Unfortunately, your session is only as good as your therapist and CST does suffer in the hands of the inexperienced.

[Subfightr]

@valdrich319 thank you for posting this. I am pleased to see you actually have a few thumbs up for this comment as well. I'm glad Im not the only one speaking out against this pseudo science non sense. And I'm a soon to be massage practitioner too! Its amazing how much bunk is in this field and the incredible claims they put forth. It saddens me and angers me at the same time. I hope I dont go broke by refusing to offer these "treatments" and the law suits Im bound to get by bashing them.

[anseio]

@Subfightr you're walking into an entire field which has little more than "pseudo science" to support its efficacy. There's more to the body than can be taught in your massage program, which should succeed in teaching you the basics of quite a few things, but advanced techniques in very little.

One day you might learn how wise it is to not speak on topics about which you know very little. ie: CST.

[Subfightr]

@anseio Thank you for the reply Anseio. I am not basing my statements off of personal opinion, anecdotal evidence, the miraculous claims that go along with the technique CST are not back up by a single double blind placebo controlled study. If you can provide me with evidence countering this statement I will GLADLY revoke my statement and kneel at your feet for showing me the error of my ways. I will also be sure and let every scientific journal know of this.

[anseio]

@Subfightr Understood. Please, provide a double blind placebo controlled study that proves massage has a direct benefit for back pain. These studies are hard to find, the results are purely based on the subjective experience of the client. Do some research on how DB studies play out. 100 people. 5 show similar results, 95 show varying. Focus on the 5, and treat them as "normal", and ignore the other 95 in order to produce solid results. You're in the wrong field if you can't explore.

[Subfightr]

@anseio I cant post a link, go to sciencedaily dott com and type in massage low back. Yes you are right the results are based on subjective statements, but they can be and are repeated and have a similar result.. Problem with studies and massage is it's hard to do a good test, due to the fact that you cant double blind placebo control, a person knows if they are being massaged, but you could easily test CST though. Just get a real CST and a fake one, see if people can even tell the difference.

[anseio]

@Subfightr but you can't easily test CST in that way. You already agree that all results are subjetive. I do REAL CST, not the uneducated stuff in this video. I have clients who feel tons of stuff and clients who feel nothing. Results are achieved nonetheless. So, we can't test using a real and fake therapist and rely soley on the subjective experience of the client to "feel" the work.

Come to Seattle sometime and I'll let you experience it.

[Subfightr]

@anseio Do you have a website? Company name? I actually live in Spokane, Seattle is doable. Thank you for the offer.

Out of curiosity, can you think of a proper test for CST to prove or falsify it's claims (Aside from relaxation)? Is this even testable? I too would like to not rely on subjective claims, can CST actually changes to people that are physically evidenced? My instructor claims to have somehow caused a clients pancreas to produce insulin properly and thus cure his/her diabetes.

[anseio]

@Subfightr no & no. I only market through networking and referrals. I can't think of a test that would work and am ok with that. It will be testable one of these days, when we have more refined tools for measuring such. At what point in weighing something is the upward force of the scale indeterminable from the downward force of the weight of the object being measured? We're simply not refined enough... yet.

[anseio]

@Subfightr I should clarify my stance. I don't buy into what she's doing in this vid. She's very uneducated about the work. What I do? It's much more wierd than what she does and much more effective. Luckily, I don't feel the need to prove it, as the anecdotal evidence from my clients is good enough.

Whatever it is you do, it must improve quality of life. If it does not, then there is no point in doing it.

[ZENSIBLE]

@valdrich319 Her words DO NOT MEAN that the CSF fluid is in the TMJ Joint what that means is, IF you have palpation skills it is possible to feel the MOTILITY of CSF anywhere on the body,The treatments that you had where they done by a D.o Or by a massage therapist ? L.M.T are not as well trained as a D.o Perhaps next time get treatment by a D.o Not easy to find a GREAT ONE Good luck with your jaw issues

[anseio]

@valdrich319 please gain a better undertanding of cranial anatomy and physiology before you make such broad claims about the TMJ. The TMJ has significant impact, physycally, via the temporalis, as well as one of its axes of rotation at C1.

[tempestx8]

Who knew Wolverine liked TMJ massages?

[JC69able1]

LOL

[cdawng]

WRONG!

[quitejaded]

My mom has bulging disks and she got acupuncture and she felt good. Have you tried that, as well?

[Matsuemon13]

Hey all, just to clarify, this is indeed historically an osteopathic technique, but massage and physical therapists are trained in many osteopathic techniques these days. I'm a therapist myself and practice cranio-sacral therapy, muscle energy technique, etc. but they are osteopathic in origin. Some of these techniques seem strange, but believe me, they work. I've been on both sides of it.

[drummrgy]

Hey, Pink Floyd!!! Yes!!!

[cdawng]

Why is this massage therapist at a spa performing an osteopathy technique. She does not know what she is doing. There is so much more to osteopathy then just holding the friggin hed like that. Ridiculous.

[Guakatimo]

his side burns get in the way!

[cariad81]

LOL

[loveyourposture]

nice video

[Dorje1428]

Without a deep background in Anatomy and Physiology, these techniques can cause much harm.

American Osteopaths spend 8+ years in college. 1-3 years in residency, and hundreds of post-grad hours, to get to where they are certified to do this.

Caveat emptor!

[mypoopfloats]

could you explain the benefit of this in laymen's terms? ive never heard of cran sac fluid moving, what do you mean exactly?

[thoushallreason]

supposedly their is crran sac fluid moving through your spine and your head. and that the skull bones are allways moving. what this therapy does is suppose to do is ease the pressure or the fluid moving through your body. i know this doesnt make much since, in order to really understand this stuff you have to take a few classes, im a massage therapist and only had a brief lecture over this an thats about it. Its kinda wicked in my sence. You have to believe in it in order to do it.

[CesarBrauer]

Thank you!

[bcosteo]

this is not Osteopathy. Osteopathy is about treating the whole person it is not a bunch of techniques addressing a symptoms

[Chasmodius]

Sure, this is simply a single osteopathic technique; that is to say, a technique used by practitioners and osteopathic doctors in the process of treating a dysfunction or series of dysfunctions. This one, in particular, could be useful alone in treating a TMJD, though as another poster notes, the layman should be wary of attempting such techniques without the proper training.

[karmic454]

so weight of a dime? if i combine both hands is that the weight of a quarter? lol.

[spleecho]

cranial sacral therapy? you must think you are a damn doctor or something. is he healed? im sure he sees the light

[sunuvman]

In massage this is a modality, numbnuts.

[everette00]

You ignorant fuck! It's called massage therapy, rim-job. Get a life and stop being a troll.

[Chasmodius]

In the US, Osteopathic Doctors (DOs) must complete an education as lengthy and rigorous as MDs; more-so, in fact, as they must also learn many techniques of Osteopathic Manipulation (of which this is one). Though the focus of Osteopathic training has shifted somewhat since the initial development of the style in the 1800s towards what is considered more "traditional" medicine, osteopathic specialists are still supposed to be more versed in non-pharmaceutical treatments.

[kaunas1983]

thank you.

[francesquitas]

nice tip!

[gaura]

nice