I would find this video ridiculous if not for the fact that I've never spoken to a liberal with an argument more compelling than what we've seen here.
My comment was deleted. I guess anyone with differing views from the poster of this video has no say even though my comment merely stated that liberals and conservatives have an equal proportion of idiots in their base. Whatever, I'm sure OP will delete this comment too but if so he's just being a big baby that can't accept that someone who has a different opinion. If your going to post videos like this than be prepared for differing opinions.
@AFXisgreat "equal proportion of idiots in their base. "
He/she has stated disagreement with this assertion (see 10 or so posts back).
All of these hard-core political ideologies flatten out to me into the same close-minded nonsense, often making assertions with no basis in evidence. It's an interesting phenomenon on par with adamant believers in bigfoot or the lock ness monster: Everything is a cartoon of reality, and there seems to be little or no room for healthy skepticism.
Tell you what, the day political debate DOESN'T degrade into a hateful mess of name-calling and generalizations, I'll become politically active. Until then... Have fun hating other human beings needlessly. Makes you wish an all-powerful dictator would come along solely for the sake of shutting everybody up, y'know?
@HaljaPuredas Amen to that. What's odd to me is how difficult it is for the people creating the hateful mess to see what they are doing, and how easy it is for them whine about the low quality of discourse by calling other people names.
I remember this kind of thing happening on the playground in 4th grade.
@superdramallama Oh, an insult that has nothing whatsoever to do with the argument. I guess that really proved a point and made sense. Why don't you people ever try logic instead of idiotic insults to win a debate? Try thinking (if you have the capacity to) that maybe not every single word you say is true just because it came from you. I have thought through what I say, but if you thought throught that insult beforehand, then you shoyld try thinking harder.
Anybody else see the irony in this? By claiming that liberals are unable to recognize the legitimate concerns of conservatives, the creator of this video is in effect unable to process the legitimate concerns of liberals, flattening everything "liberal" into a stupid PC one-word answer.
This video both complains about the blinding, narrow mindedness of politics and perfectly demonstrates it.
@artieandsadie Are you sure you aren't just rejecting my observations out of hand?
Either I'm wrong and you can demonstrate how (I am very sincerely interested in what you have to say about how I am wrong) or you are just saying I'm wrong because you have difficulty listening to anybody who disagrees with you, thus proving my point.
@iridescentsquids You're wrong about irony in the video. It's grounded in reality: there is a clear liberal instinct to jump to emotion-charged labels at the first whiff of debate. Paul Ryan presents a feasible plan to slow deficit spending and reduce the debt, and rather than engage in debate the left screams about how Ryan wants to kill grandma.
@iridescentsquids They don't like Gitmo so Bush is a war criminal. They don't like Rush Limbaugh's ideas nor his success, so he's a fascist. Obama wants to give a big chunk of GM to the unions so he ignores bankruptcy law and demonizes pensioners and anyone else with bond funds in their retirement accounts as "speculators." The list goes on. It's the basest form of politics.
@iridescentsquids The liberal playbook is obvious. Left-wingers don't want to be bothered with debate and argument, they want other political and policy ideas to simply go away. Otherwise, Obama would be a homophobe because he holds the exact same opinion on gay marriage as the Republican presidential candidates. He'd be a war criminal for keeping Gitmo open and continuing rendition. He'd be a fat-cat one-percenter because Wall St.overwhelmingly donates to his campaigns.
@artieandsadie "The video pokes fun at this and tries to make a point about it."
Yea...no big deal I'm just pointing out the irony I see.
If I had to make a movie about the basest kind of politics, I would have one side hurl stupid insults at the other, who yells "you're not listening..." and hurls a stupid insult back, who then accuses the other of not listening...etc ad infinitum...or until they both rush off to post youtube videos claiming they each won "the argument."
@artieandsadie "Left-wingers don't want to be bothered with debate and argument"
At it's basest level, politics is not about debate or argument. It is OFTEN an appeal to emotion...about making your political opponents appear evil or dishonest. Such appeals to emotion are always based on some grain of truth, and then spun wildly out of proportion.
I think your skepticism regarding politics is well founded. You just don't apply it consistently.
Your completly side-stepping the issue, of course there are corrupt politicians on both sides of the aile, but there are still MAJOR differences in the core values of the parties.
Then you use emotion to make your point, when it fact, it is the liberals who use emotion in the worst way. The lefties are masters at victimhood.
According to your party, we are all victims and anybody who questions that, is uncarring, or racist, or sexist, anything to shame them into silence.
@TheEqualizer2U "Then you use emotion to make your point, when it fact, it is the liberals who use emotion in the worst way."
I did? Where?
"According to your party"
What party would that be?
Look, just because I point out that the video complains about the same KIND of narrow-mindedness it exhibits doesn't mean I'm taking sides on the issues themselves.
Taking a step back, yes. Side-stepping? Not at all. If the point of the video were to simply call liberals some names, there's not fallacy there. We are free to call each other names all day long. But if the point is to point out, as you put it "MAJOR differences in the core values of the parties"...well then, what we have here in this video is one big ad hominen fallacy, I'm sure you would agree. You don't see the irony in that?
I dont see any name calling in this video, it's a liberal reacting emotionaly to conservative points.
That's the problem, they have no reason, and they have no respect for anybody who wishes to discuss the issues in a reasonable fashion. They turn every discussion into an emotional rollerscoaster, then attack the conservative by implying they are racist or sexist, whichever fits the discussion.
Truly pathetic, but I'm not worried, the liberal way cannot be sustained.
@TheEqualizer2U "I dont see any name calling in this video, it's a liberal reacting emotionaly to conservative points."
You don't? Dismissing ALL arguments or points of view you decide are left-of-center in the (arguably inaccurate but commonly used) left-vs-right political spectrum as irrational and emotional is attacking a person's character in lieu of their ACTUAL argument. Ad hominem-->Nothing more than name-calling.
There are left-of-center arguments whether you ignore them or not.
What you describe is...politics, and maybe the basest form, although it's pretty standard fair for both sides of the isle these days. For every example you give of baseless hyperbole by those on the left I could give you an equivalent on the right. The accusations of socialism, communism, nazism, being unamerican, death panels...the list goes on. These are no more "grounded in reality" than the junk concepts peddled by the left.
Lies, misrepresentations, and inaccuracies of all sorts can, and usually are, grounded in reality to some degree.
All I have said is that by representing liberals as 2-D cliches you yourself have created an emotional response to what is in reality a more complicated dynamic. Do you really believe that ALL liberals lack reasonable responses to your ideas, or Paul Ryan's? And do you really believe that NO conservatives use emotionally-charged labels?
@iridescentsquids You see an equivalency between left and right when it comes to dumbed-down labeling. I don't see the equivalency. So let's leave it at that.
@artieandsadie "You see an equivalency between left and right when it comes to dumbed-down labeling. I don't see the equivalency. So let's leave it at that."
Says the guy who makes the dumb generalization that all liberals are irrational and emotional!
Give me a break. You could not be more hypocritical with all of your own dumbed-down labels you use to whine about the left.
THIS weak, myopic failure at self-awareness is what is wrong with politics today.
iridescentsquids is unable to recognize the legitimate concerns of true americans. iridescentsquids is illegitimate, stupid, blinding, and narrowminded
iridescentsquids is illegitimiate, stupid, blinding, and narrowminded. indescentsquids is another socialist who whines and calls names. iridescentquids has descended into the nonsense of worshiping Obama, blathering with his empty head in the socialist snd. indescentsuids irrationally friggin argues
@LeibBunny Actually, I should thank you. You are very closely mimicking the caricature of the liberal in the video, repeating the same nonsense over and over like you are chanting or hypnotized. It's a near-perfect parallel, and you are hammering home my point to everybody else who will read this.
So, thanks. And good luck. Honestly. You're head's not in an easy place.
iridescentsquids very closely mimicks Obama, repeating the same nonsense over and over again. iridescentsquids chants hypnotically, hammering home his worshiping of Obama. iridescentsquids has no head
@iridescentsquids acctually the video is correct, talk to a liberal about conservative points for more than 30 seconds and they will call you such names. The only thing left out is the liberal almost always throws in a bunch of foul language.
@Srd1126 "talk to a liberal". That's it? Talk to any old liberal anywhere and that's the response you'll get? Really?
The problem is the inability for many people engrossed in politics to consider the arguments of people who disagree with them objectively. And so much talk radio/media bullshit that people get their "info" from makes everyone think they don't need to consider opposing viewpoints to know they are wrong. It's a cycle of ideological bullshit that both sides get stuck in.
I like how all the anti-left videos on youtube are stupidified versions of an argument, while all the anti-right videos are of real liberals asserting real intelligence over real right wing nutjobs.
@Eepicman You're the reason people should be tested before being allowed to have kids! If only your mother had given your father a blow job instead. Then there might be one less idiot in the world.
Yeah, we'd all like to believe that our side of any argument is full of logic and intelligence, and anyone who disagrees with us is a loser who has a screw lose. I am not attacking you directly, I am saying we all do it, and it's pretty damn sad.
@Lovemy1911a1 Barney frank also had a lot of help from Janet Reno and the govt instituting penalties on banks for not going along with sub-prime mortgage scheme. All pushed as a well to do left ideological thing to pursue under Clinton administration. People who can't afford homes should get homes :-I . Sounds great, but...
@artieandsadie "Pretty sure it was the people who criticized the tea party."
Fascinating answer.
Do you really believe that stupid accusations of fascism, nazi-like behavior... heck I can think of dozens of other stupid phrases that get thrown around, like socialism and "anti-American".... do you really believe they originate only from one side of the political spectrum? Honestly?
@smokydave OK you asked for an example of a Dem poli calling a GOP a Nazi. I showed you one. Not just a Pol, but the Speaker of the Fre kin House. You defend her. So I guess you agree with this video. So I Googled Your statement "swastikas to town halls" and found a whopping 2 pictures of citizens Not wearing swasticas. But carrying signs with Swasticas w/ Circle and line thru them. OK You Have heard of the 1st Amendment right? OK. Good. NOW Do your self a favor and google BUSHITLER.
@MrSpukinator oh look.. nancy pelosi said that people wearing swastikas at town halls are inappropriate.. that solves everything.. problem solved.. god you conservatives are stupid.
@punkyvid You may not converse this way, but @AntiWacko on Twitter sure does. I even asked him yesterday where he found his cool bow tie in this video! :)
@EODtchwon This is an incredibly deficient response and is very similar to what this video derides liberals for doing (ie "quick and simple" unjustified arguments). How ironic.
One of my posts disproved that government jobs will increase by tens of thousands due to healthcare reform by citing the US Treasury's budget report. If "everything [I] said is wrong," does that mean you doubt the US Treasury's budget report? If so, what evidence do you have to disprove the report?
@EODtchwon I know. Honestly, I doubt my ability to identify and define irony. While I'm doing that, maybe you could answer my question instead of avoiding it. Your avoidance implicitly suggests you have no argument.
@EODtchwon Apparently you didn't comprehend my post. Here is my question posted again for your convenience:
One of my posts disproved that government jobs will increase by tens of thousands due to healthcare reform by citing the US Treasury's budget report. If "everything [I] said is wrong," does that mean you doubt the US Treasury's budget report? If so, what evidence do you have to disprove the report?
What's so pathetic is I just had a debate with a liberal that was JUST like this! According to this guy (real life guy...not the video) claimed opposing Obama was racist and that all the vitriolic "hatred" directed toward Obama was because conservatives were Nazis. I tell you...some of these liberals couldn't think enough to balance a checkbook. It must be painful to go through life that ignorant.
@GraysonBuzz No one is a nazi or racist for criticizing Obama's policies. But when over half of the GOP were either "unsure" or "doubt" he was born in the US as late as June 2011, one has to wonder. Romney's Father was born in Mexico and McCain was born in Panama, yet not one conservative seems concerned; there's as much evidence they are not natural-born citizens as Obama (ie none).
All I'm saying is if Obama looked white, his birthplace would probably be irrelevant.
@punkyvid What in the world does his race have to do with questioning where he was born (Note, I don't have that question and think it is a silly issue.)? It has to do with being born OUTSIDE the U.S. and that is not a racial question. It is the left trying to turn that into a racial question. IF - and again, I stress this is not my position - there were evidence he were born in Kenya, then it would be a valid question and have nothing to do with race.
@punkyvid Also, even if the Kenya thing were a valid question for Obama, McCain was born on a US military base! Not quite the same, you do realize right? As for conservatives and where McCain and Romney's dad (though I cannot see for a minute where Romney's dad was born has to do with anything) was born...could be because neither of them are conservatives! ;)
@punkyvid Obama's citizenship is not a mainstream issue and is only being discussed by limited pockets of conspiracy theorist types. However, that does not make it racially motivated. Second, McCain was born on a US MILITARY BASE. How is that even a question for citizenship? Again, I fail to see a racial component. So, the mere fact that Obama is black and McCain white means, by default, it is racial?? Yeah...that is how the left thinks and it is bogus.
@punkyvid ...where to even begin. First. I am not a "birther" so I don't know all the facts. And obviously, Neither do you. So I will give a few clues. This whole thing started when BHO published a BC that wasn't a BC but a COLB. They are not the same. SO some ppl wanted to see the original. Not an unreasonable request of someone who is running for POTUS. HE REFUSED. The Obama spent Millions of his own dollars in three federal cases to prevent it. See: college transcripts. Continued
@punkyvid Pt2 The Governor of Hawaii stood before the entire world and said he would "Find Proof" that Obama was born there. Then 6 months later said he could Not. Apparently there is an Aunt in Kenya that SAYS he was born there. There are two different accounts from other relatives as to which Hawaiian hospital he was born in. There is a paper trail of Obama attending school in Jakarta at a time when no US citizen would have been allowed to live there. Still more to come.
@frogsoda A bit of clarification. In the sentence "Apparently there is an Aunt in Kenya that SAYS he was born there." The last word "there" refers to Kenya. Not Hawaii.
Apparently there is an Aunt in Kenya that SAYS he was born in Kenya.
@punkyvid Pt3 As for McCain. His eligibility WAS questioned by the left. Simply googling "McCain's eligibility" Will enlighten you and help you to stop looking like such a fool. And a racebator to boot.
Googling "Romney's eligibility" Shows an article from this month THIS MONTH!!!!! That questions his eligibility. SMH
You have a computer. It SHOULD have Google on it. Why don't you try using it? Stop being willfully ignorant.
@frogsoda The mere suggestion that the mild questioning received by both McCain and Romney regarding their presidential eligibility is anywhere equal to the wicked, nefarious charade endured by Obama is completely and utterly facetious. Even a mentally-challenged chimpanzee could refute what you just said.
There is absolutely no way a person could seriously suggest such an incredibly stupid thing. I believe you to be a troll. Please don't waste time posting such nonsense.
@punkyvid The "mild questioning" they received was for two reasons, 1. They aren't withholding information like Obama has been. Did I mention that Obama has spent Millions of his own money in 3 federal cases? You seem to have ignored that fact.
#2 Because the Dems WANT McCain and Romney as candidates because they think The Obama will be able to defeat them.
Please explain Governor Abercrombie's action's. Why couldn't he find it? And why did he have to look for it in the first place?
@GraysonBuzz Someone could say "I spoke to an officer in Panama, and he saw McCain being born just outside the base's border; he's not a citizen" or "Romney's Father is Mexican, and our country's founders clearly didn't allow for a foreigner's child to be president." Both are stupid, yet similar "arguments" doubting Obama's citizenship were made with impunity for months (ie I talked to his grandmother, the birth certificate isn't real, the doctor denied his delivery at birth, etc).
@punkyvid But no one has claimed that McCain was not born on base. You are just coming up with hairbrain theories now. And even if Romney's father were Mexican, he was BORN IN DETROIT so how is that even remotely similar to asking whether Obama was born in Kenya to a Kenyan father? You are attempting - and failing badly - to turn a conspiracy theory into something racial. But then again, the left is constantly playing the race card when you oppose Obama.
@GraysonBuzz Obama was born in Honolulu and his Father was from a different country, and Romney was born in Detroit and his Father was from a different country. Obama's citizenship was scrutinized, but not Romney's. These are very similar stories with completely dissimilar reactions, and the only thing different between Romney and Obama is their skin color. Thus, it isn't a stretch to assume the possibility of racism.
@punkyvid Fine..let's for a moment stipulate that both fathers were born outside the US and set aside any reasonable questions that may or may not have existed to question birthplace. Are you telling me that the ONLY potential distinction in the detail of each paternal heritage and individual's place of birth is....race? Really? You immediately boil down those questions to...race. Yes...that is a huge stretch and incredibly myopic and a perfect example of jumping straight to the race card.
@punkyvid I would note, you comment about the "only different" in this scenario being race is precisely why this video is so funny because your comment demonstrates that the video's satire bear more than a grain of truth. To distill it down to purely race is...laughable and frankly another case of crying racial wolf. This type of irresponsible race baiting desensitizes us to legitimate claims of racism.
@GraysonBuzz Obama's citizenship was questioned with scant, unreliable evidence, and people continued this long after such evidence was completely dismantled. At the same time, McCain and Romney's citizenship could have been questioned with equally scant, unreliable evidence and was not. If Romney and McCain's citizenship was not questioned at all, while Obama's was questioned at length (and continues to be questioned by some), it's obvious racism is involved.
@punkyvid Wow. I am at a loss for words. How do you argue with such illogical, speculative connections when someone is determined to play the race card? Not one thing in your description of the question of citizenship clearly and definitively links to racial motivations and it's certainly not "obvious." If you truly believe this is the only motivation, you are biased by a desire to imply racism. All I can say at this point, is thanks for providing a real example of the caricature in this video.
@GraysonBuzz Don't put words into my mouth; I never said racism was "the only motivation." Initially, perhaps questioners were well-intentioned and right to ensure he was a citizen. But I don't see how it is unreasonable to suggest racism was involved when, in addition to the aforementioned, 1) the questioning lingered (and continued to linger) long after it was answered and debunked, and 2) at no point in the past had any presidential candidate's citizenship been questioned.
@punkyvid You said racism was "obvious." It absolutely is not! Your logic appears to be - "They didn't question McCain/Romney and they did Obama. Obama is black, the others guys white. Must be racism." Huh? There is a huge disconnect in logic between "white." and "Must...". The fact that the questions have lingered for Obama (which is absurd) implies in and of itself that it is racial?? The point is, NONE of your description of the events show any evidence of racial motivation. None.
@GraysonBuzz Okay. Would you agree that there was at least some possibility that racism may have been a factor for those who continued questioning Obama's citizenship long after it was answered, and who didn't react in kind with the equally dubious citizenship of Romney and McCain?
@punkyvid Of course SOME of the people raising the questions are racist. But you painted with a very broad brush that implied that that was a primary motivator of this group and I reject the broad brush. Racism is not nearly as present as liberals suggest because those suggestions are usually wielded to deflect debate. Heck, I know staunch Dem racists. Everyday on the street you will pass a small percentage of racists. But that is not the broad brush you implied.
@GraysonBuzz I used the phrases "it's obvious racism was involved," "it isn't a stretch to assume the possibility of racism," and "if Obama looked white, his birthplace would probably be irrelevant." I never said it was a "primary motivator." It would have saved me a lot of time if my posts were comprehended and not perverted to mean that which was not written or implied. But I applaud you for finally admitting I was right; few people are strong enough to admit such things.
@punkyvid Nice way to twist my point. I never said you were right because, in jumping past a dozen far more likely suppositions for questioning Obama's birthplace, that implies a larger role for racism in that community of "birthers" than is likely. Racism exists in all facets of society. Always will in all likelihood but can you deny that racism if far less prevalent today than 50-60 years ago when it would have been at the top of your list?
@GraysonBuzz The question is irrelevant to the topic, but yes, racism is far less prevalent.
Upon a second glance, it appears you didn't agree with my contention that racism was involved in questioning Obama's birthplace and, instead, just admitted that some who questioned were racists. Now, you're saying that "a dozen far more likely superstitions" was the culprit.
Why do you suppose some people created superstitions about Obama's birthplace and not Romney's or McCain's?
@punkyvid I don't know. You would have to ask them. At one point, I did find it odd that he could have cleared the whole matter up by simply releasing a birth certificate but I also recognized the political advantage of letting the birthers rant. Nevertheless, I never considered it a likely scenario that he was not born in the U.S. Even if so, I reasoned it would take so long in the courts we could simply vote him out before it would ever get resolved. So I paid it short shrift.
@GraysonBuzz So you're convinced there are "a dozen far more likely superstitions" that discredit my claim that racism was involved, but you "don't know" what they are? If you can't identify them, how do you know they exist, and how does their mentioning seemingly carry more weight than my claim?
@punkyvid As for other's motivation, some people are absolutely blind when they dislike a politician. We saw this with the absurd, over the top claims that continued about Bush. You can have an intense dislike of someone, even irrational, subscribe to various conspiracy theories due to this, but not because of his race. I don't even associate hi birthplace as a racial issue. I fail to see a strong link, but then again, I never think about his race.
@GraysonBuzz Obama's citizenship was questioned at great length, for an exorbitant time period, while Romney and McCain's citizenship, with their extremely similar dubiety, were not in the slightest. Obama is of a different race than McCain and Romney. Thus, it isn't unreasonable to assume it is likely that racism was (and is) involved. This is not illogical. It may be slightly speculative, but it's justified speculation at the very least.
@GraysonBuzz Racism is partially defined as treating people unequally based solely on race. Given the aforementioned, there is no way anyone possessing intelligence, a clear conscience, and impartiality could say to others racism was not a factor when Obama's birth certificate was called into question with such ferocity.
@punkyvid Actually, yes they could not consider racism. See, unlike the left who has desensitized us all to real claims of racism with the constant crying wolf, I and most people in 2012 don't see everything through a prism of race. It is a non-factor. For whatever reason, you do seem to see things through a racial prism. That is your prerogative but it is unfair to paint people as racists because of your perception on this topic. That is an ugly accusation.
@punkyvid Again, I cannot tell you initial roots to the "birther" topic because that was never my ax to grind. However, these points you bring up about McCain and Romney's birth...if there were legitimate questions there the left would be all over it just like the some on the right. I again cite the even more absurd conspiracies about Bush. That is not racism - that is bitterly partisan politics.
@punkyvid Finally, why I don't put racism above other suspected "superstitions" is simple and touches on my first point. Racism is hardly as pervasive now. Yes, it exists but it's like some dread diseases of the 19th century - it has been largedly eradicated so my gut, until there is some rational reason to suspect it, does not suspect it. You seem to suspect it initially. I think that is unfounded. I at least you hope you really believe and aren't just playing a racial political card.
@GraysonBuzz The mere fact racism is not as prevalent today is an atrocious argument for whether racism was involved with the birthers.
A study titled "Evaluations of Presidential Performance: Race, Prejudice, and Perceptions of Americanism", published Nov. 2010 in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology and conducted by Eric Hehman, Samuel L. Gaertner, and John F. DovidioIt, concluded racism was involved with the birthers. I encourage you to look it up.
@punkyvid Surely a peer-reviewed study published in a well-known publication is a "rational reason to suspect" racism was involved? If not, what would be a "rational reason" for you?
@punkyvid I am tired of defending this continual "race card" that is often played by the left when opposition, warranted and unwarranted, arises. This is not the only instant. In fact, I said in November 08, "Every time we criticize him on issues, we will get accused of being 'racist.'" As expected, that happens a lot, whether it be birthers or ludicrous insinuations of code words for substantive policy opposition. I am sorry if you see the world through a racial prism but I don't.
@GraysonBuzz You have 1) failed to address an empirical study showing a causal link between birtherism and racism, 2) failed to identify reasons for the birthers' motives, and 3) failed to explain why Obama was the first president in our nation's history to have gone through this. I don't understand why you're "tired of defending [the race card].'" How can you be tired of something you have yet to do?
Good day, sir; arguing with you is like arguing with a dining room table.
@punkyvid I tried to read that paper. I have no background in Psychology - not even an intro class - so that was a lot of mumbo jumbo. I will note one thing jumped out at me - all the respondents were college students at one school. And the conclusion of bias was based on about 100 white college students. So from that, we have now concluded that all Americans are racists if they oppose Obama? You don't have to be a psych major to realize that doesn't even pass the common sense test.
@punkyvid Consider this statement: "Overall, the results support our hypothesis that negative evaluations of Obama by White participants may be racially motivated." This is right out of the left wing playbook - deflect criticism by claiming that it is racially motivated. While not surprising because we see it from the left often, it stifles any real substantive discussion. Furthermore, all this study MIGHT show is some level of PREJUDICE. Prejudice is NOT racism. There is a difference.
@punkyvid Finally, your study which talks about Americanism, the birthers are questioning a fact not a perception - was he born in the U.S. or not. That is not something that occurs on a 7-point scale. It is by definition, binary. As for identifying motives for birthers, I don't know! I am not one! I have not talked to a wide cross section of them and I expect you have not either. You are the one making the allegation that they are racists - thus, the burden of proof lies on you, not me.
@GraysonBuzz Here is a birther statement: "I question whether Obama was born in the United States." This is what it boils down to - what part of that point of view can CLEARLY be attributed to a motive of racism? Please explain that "obvious" linkage. NOTHING there speaks to motive.
@GraysonBuzz Finally, as I have said, this is the playbook of the left that was expected - smear any opposition as being racially motivated/biased. This attempt, which is embodied in the first sentence of the "Discussion" section of your paper, immediately discounts ANY criticism of Obama, whether it be absurd claims such as the birthers' claims, or reasonable policy based opposition that is color blind. It is a clever tactic - and it does not wash. Opposition to him is ok and not always racial
HAHAHA I laughed for a good 10 min on this one. Its so true I have had this happen so many times you try to talk to these people & its Bush this Bush that like this punkyvid clown & when you throw how dumb or untrue what they say is back in there face bam out comes SIXHIRB (Sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, bigoted).
@Lovemy1911a1 I never once called anyone by any of those names. I have merely rebutted everything that's been "thrown in my face" and cited sources frequently. Since posting, I've been condescendingly called "son," been told to jump off a cliff, told to "fuck off," been called an idiot, and now you're calling me a clown. The most offending remark from me has been questioning the planet on which a person lives.
Instead of posting this, why don't you try rebutting me?
@punkyvid actualy you imply that Republicans are in general racist in several of these coments & the left as a whole does this constantly & not just on the internet I have had people say that shit to my face & they use the actual words not innuendo. Like your crake that there would be no birthers if Obama was white. Well are the truther all agianst Bush because he was white because there shit makes zero since & is motivated by hate.
@Lovemy1911a1 I wrote "... if Obama looked white, his birthplace would probably be irrelevant." Please notice the qualifier "probably." I don't know whether it would be an issue if he was white (no one does), but I am speculating it wouldn't based on the treatment Obama's citizenship received versus the equally dubious citizenship of Romney and McCain.
Your post's grammar and spelling mistakes made it difficult to understand at first. Please remedy this. Thanks.
@punkyvid As to rebutting you well I could tell u to look at OMB budget historical tables to see that the gov. colects about 17 to mid 18% of GDP no mater what the tax rate is. Or how social spending is crushing the country & is over 70% of the budget but it wont mater to you. No amount of facts will ever matter because u think ur nice & smart so we are just meen liers & ur serounded by people that ecco that so in the end it is piontless
@Lovemy1911a1 Is your incomprehension intentional? None of what you mentioned rebutted anything I wrote and I don't think of you and your ilk as "meen liers." Here are assertions I've made:
- Racism played a role in "Birtherism"
- Between Mar. 2009 and Oct. 2011, Federal and Private jobs increased by 41,000 and 2 million, respectively,
- Jefferson's letters to Madison in 1785 mentioned progressive taxation,
- Bush and his Congress played a major role in the economy's decline.
@punkyvid 1. racism probably has little to actually do with the birther shit since like I said there is crazy theories about bush & chainy so things along this line are not all that uncommon.
2.Federal jobs aren't the primary way the gov spends money. How about the explosion of grants, hand outs & loans under that so called stimulus & even that is nothing compared to SS & medicare/medicaid which may not be Obamas fault but it is the lefts baby & u wont let anyone touch it.
@Lovemy1911a1 1. I explained my case at length below and won't address it here.
2. How about the "explosion" of grants, hand outs, and loans? What are they? How much? Maybe the "explosion" of welfare receipts has more to do with the economy; did you consider this? Please cite your sources.
@punkyvid 3. Jefferson is not god! I dont care what he said in private letters. The actual constitution is the law of the land not some unratified letter. Also if u look up the facts u will see that tax revenue is fairly stable as percent of GDP regardless of tax rates & thats because rich people doge high taxes
4. Barney Frank was the major driver of the housing collapse. He lead the drive to make banks lend to the poor when they couldnt pay the loans & attacked anyone who tried to stop it
@Lovemy1911a1 3. Tax revenue as a percentage of GDP? What about actual dollars? The last decade saw individual and corporate tax receipts at between 8.4% in 2003 and 12.3% in 2000, and GDP was $10.3 and $11.5 trillion, respectively. Thus, the fluctuation in individual and corporate tax revenues, as a percentage of GDP, varied by $430 billion. This notion that tax rates don't matter because the GDP percentage stays the same is ridiculous; a small percent change is big dollars.
@punkyvid "This idea that there's a crisis regarding entitlement programs is nothing more than corporate shills attempting to grab more power" LOL. Wow....
RACIST! I'm a liberal. I do not argue like this. I prefer to not argue at all because many conservatives will assume I am like the "liberal" in this video.
That was . . . . . . . . . very wrong. I don't really know what to say, because if I decide to debate this SOMEONE is going to attack me. Hmmm. Spending should be moved, not deleted. If we want to use a metaphor, if you were a homeowner and wanted to make sure that your family and house was doing well, I would look for a better job to make more money, and maybe find where expenses can be put into different areas. Taxing rich people is, in a way, forced donations.
@DDP117 Taxing rich people at higher rates is called "progressive taxation," the idea of which goes straight back to Jefferson's letters to Madison in 1785 (way before Marx). The concept is fairly simple; those who have more money have a better ability to pay our nation's expenses than someone with less money. Furthermore, "the rich" have an obligation to this, for they would have never become rich had it not been for the opportunities our nation provided them.
Bush racks up the deficit and helps bring about the worst economy in 80 years, and NOW you're concerned about excessive government spending? Sir, on which planet do you spend most of your time?
Typical witless, unintelligent non-response to contradictory evidence from whom I suppose is conservative. Do yourself a favor and look up the words of David Stockman, Reagan's former budget director, particularly the "debate" between him and Mike Pence. You can find it here on Youtube: /watch?v=C0FQxCPcYio
Back-to-back $1.3 trillion deficits from Obama and now we're looking at a potential $1.6 trillion deficit. Ten years of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost about $1 trillion. And you want to still blame Bush?
@artieandsadie Yes, and also Congress. Bush played a major roll in giving us the worst economy since the 30s, and government revenue always fluctuates with the economy. Since the US began, there has never been a recession as bad as this whereby we didn't deficit spend. Almost everything Obama has put forward to restore the economy has been voted down by Congress or filibustered by Republicans in the Senate.
@artieandsadie WRONG. The two wars cost at least 3 Trillion combined. The F-35 project is going to cost over 1 Trillion. Shall I continue with George Bush's spending or is 4 Trillion enough?
@punkyvid -Do yourself a favor and google debt since obama. Google to see how much federal employee have grown under obama. Then go to a cliff and hurl your worthless self off and do the country a favor!
@steelersX01 The following is from the Bureau of Labor Statistics accessed 1/23/2012:
Total Federal Employees - Mar. '09: 2,779,000 --- Oct. '11: 2,820,000
Difference: 41,000
Total Private Employees - Mar. '09: 108,215,000 --- Oct. '11: 110,262,000
Difference: 2,047,000
Contrary to what you implicitly claim, federal employment did not see a large increase under Obama. The number of private sector jobs grew at a higher pace than the number of federal jobs.
In support of Sessions’ statement, his office guided us through employment statistics posted online by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Sure enough, between February 2009, Obama’s first full month in office, and June 2010, the number of private-sector jobs dropped from 110.3 million to 107.7 million, a decrease of nearly 2.7 million. In the same period, the number of federal government workers rose from 2,792,000 to 3,171,000, an increase of 379,000.
@steelersX01 If you use Feb. 2009 and June 2010 as benchmarks, those totals are in the ballpark (depending on whether they're seasonally-adjusted). But federal government jobs decreased from June 2010 (3,184,000) to October 2011 (2,820,000). You can look this up yourself on the BLS website; look at series ID CES0500000001 for total private employees and series ID CES9091000001 for total federal gov't employees. You will see that my numbers are correct.
@punkyvid -fuck off lib. Are you factoring in the tens of thousands of gov;t workers planned to administer obamacare? It's time to shove your head back up obamas ass and don;'t reply again puke.
I'm not factoring in anything other than what the BLS reported and don't believe healthcare reform adds many workers to the federal payroll. Our healthcare system will remain private (ie for-profit hospitals, private doctors, etc), and the provisions set forth in reform seem like they could be conducted by the workers currently employed
However, I may be wrong. Do you know of any reputable information sources stating additional workers will be needed?
@steelersX01 I just Googled "IRS expansion under obamacare" and found the following:
The 2012 IRS budget requested 1,269 additional workers, 504 of which will be hired to "ensure accurate delivery of tax credits." (source: U.S. Treasury. "Internal Revenue Service FY 2012 Budget Request Congressional Budget Submission." 2/14/11).
The claim that "tens of thousands of gov't workers" needed to administer Obamacare is false; it was perpetuated by Ron Paul in Mar. 2010. Your response?
@punkyvid - Sir, go fuck yourself! Obama's spending makes Bush look like a penny pincher. I'm sooooooo happy that Obama will be receiving an Eviction Notice in November!
@sprfly12 Your post was mildly clever. Do you actually have anything substantive to write to repudiate my point that deficits have more to do with the state of the economy and a subsequent lack of government revenue than with spending levels Obama supports?
While we're on the subject, can you also elaborate on the many Congressional Republicans opposing the automatic spending cuts created by the recent super committee's failure, as well as Obama's insistence that they remain?
@punkyvid - both the so called Super Committee and Democrat/Republican elements in Washington DC are nothing but smoke & mirrors. Keeping it simple: Our government is way too big and absolutely out of control.
I want government to stop promising entitlements and get back to the very basics.....like that's gonna happen.
@sprfly12 That will never happen because it is an incredibly bad idea. If one is historically and intellectually honest, one can see that entitlement programs were created in response to the free market's failure to ensure financial security in old age (social security) and good health (medicare/medicaid). A return to "the very basics" would enable social ills not seen since the Great Depression.
As for the Super Committee, I agree it was a ruse. But those automatic cuts are real.
@punkyvid - exactly my point. This will be the downfall for the USA and the world economy as a whole. We're not talking about basic entitlements, we're talking about overwhelming government (Local/State/Fed) entitlements. This will be the sudden stop that hurts a lot more than the free fall. It's not speed that kills, it's the sudden stop. Coming our way very soon.
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I was going to advocate my socialistic believes, but I guess this isn't the forum ...
MogorDellAmore 1 hour ago
The simple minds of liberals are so predictable .
RealityStar9 14 hours ago
I would find this video ridiculous if not for the fact that I've never spoken to a liberal with an argument more compelling than what we've seen here.
BobSagetFanboi 16 hours ago
classic liberal marxist
Colton5 1 day ago
OMG!!! THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!
sirenswake 1 day ago
This a great paraody on just how void of intelligence liberals. They never can defend their stupid policies that never have and never will work.
ecollartech 1 day ago
You missed the part where the Conservative called the Liberal a Communist.
YoshiTheBlue 4 days ago
which stupid people really believe that liberals think a capitalist is rasist oO?!'
Axel54631 5 days ago
My comment was deleted. I guess anyone with differing views from the poster of this video has no say even though my comment merely stated that liberals and conservatives have an equal proportion of idiots in their base. Whatever, I'm sure OP will delete this comment too but if so he's just being a big baby that can't accept that someone who has a different opinion. If your going to post videos like this than be prepared for differing opinions.
AFXisgreat 1 week ago
@AFXisgreat "equal proportion of idiots in their base. "
He/she has stated disagreement with this assertion (see 10 or so posts back).
All of these hard-core political ideologies flatten out to me into the same close-minded nonsense, often making assertions with no basis in evidence. It's an interesting phenomenon on par with adamant believers in bigfoot or the lock ness monster: Everything is a cartoon of reality, and there seems to be little or no room for healthy skepticism.
iridescentsquids 6 days ago
Tell you what, the day political debate DOESN'T degrade into a hateful mess of name-calling and generalizations, I'll become politically active. Until then... Have fun hating other human beings needlessly. Makes you wish an all-powerful dictator would come along solely for the sake of shutting everybody up, y'know?
HaljaPuredas 1 week ago 4
@HaljaPuredas Amen to that. What's odd to me is how difficult it is for the people creating the hateful mess to see what they are doing, and how easy it is for them whine about the low quality of discourse by calling other people names.
I remember this kind of thing happening on the playground in 4th grade.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids Glad to see someone else who can think.
Eepicman 1 week ago
@superdramallama Oh, an insult that has nothing whatsoever to do with the argument. I guess that really proved a point and made sense. Why don't you people ever try logic instead of idiotic insults to win a debate? Try thinking (if you have the capacity to) that maybe not every single word you say is true just because it came from you. I have thought through what I say, but if you thought throught that insult beforehand, then you shoyld try thinking harder.
Eepicman 1 week ago
Anybody else see the irony in this? By claiming that liberals are unable to recognize the legitimate concerns of conservatives, the creator of this video is in effect unable to process the legitimate concerns of liberals, flattening everything "liberal" into a stupid PC one-word answer.
This video both complains about the blinding, narrow mindedness of politics and perfectly demonstrates it.
iridescentsquids 2 weeks ago 3
@iridescentsquids
Very pseudo-intellectual of you. And wrong, too.
artieandsadie 1 week ago
@artieandsadie Are you sure you aren't just rejecting my observations out of hand?
Either I'm wrong and you can demonstrate how (I am very sincerely interested in what you have to say about how I am wrong) or you are just saying I'm wrong because you have difficulty listening to anybody who disagrees with you, thus proving my point.
So which is it?
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids You're wrong about irony in the video. It's grounded in reality: there is a clear liberal instinct to jump to emotion-charged labels at the first whiff of debate. Paul Ryan presents a feasible plan to slow deficit spending and reduce the debt, and rather than engage in debate the left screams about how Ryan wants to kill grandma.
artieandsadie 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids They don't like Gitmo so Bush is a war criminal. They don't like Rush Limbaugh's ideas nor his success, so he's a fascist. Obama wants to give a big chunk of GM to the unions so he ignores bankruptcy law and demonizes pensioners and anyone else with bond funds in their retirement accounts as "speculators." The list goes on. It's the basest form of politics.
artieandsadie 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids The liberal playbook is obvious. Left-wingers don't want to be bothered with debate and argument, they want other political and policy ideas to simply go away. Otherwise, Obama would be a homophobe because he holds the exact same opinion on gay marriage as the Republican presidential candidates. He'd be a war criminal for keeping Gitmo open and continuing rendition. He'd be a fat-cat one-percenter because Wall St.overwhelmingly donates to his campaigns.
artieandsadie 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids The video pokes fun at this and tries to make a point about it. So lighten up, Francis.
artieandsadie 1 week ago
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@artieandsadie "The video pokes fun at this and tries to make a point about it."
Yea...no big deal I'm just pointing out the irony I see.
If I had to make a movie about the basest kind of politics, I would have one side hurl stupid insults at the other, who yells "you're not listening..." and hurls a stupid insult back, who then accuses the other of not listening...etc ad infinitum...or until they both rush off to post youtube videos claiming they each won "the argument."
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@artieandsadie "Left-wingers don't want to be bothered with debate and argument"
At it's basest level, politics is not about debate or argument. It is OFTEN an appeal to emotion...about making your political opponents appear evil or dishonest. Such appeals to emotion are always based on some grain of truth, and then spun wildly out of proportion.
I think your skepticism regarding politics is well founded. You just don't apply it consistently.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids
Your completly side-stepping the issue, of course there are corrupt politicians on both sides of the aile, but there are still MAJOR differences in the core values of the parties.
Then you use emotion to make your point, when it fact, it is the liberals who use emotion in the worst way. The lefties are masters at victimhood.
According to your party, we are all victims and anybody who questions that, is uncarring, or racist, or sexist, anything to shame them into silence.
TheEqualizer2U 1 week ago
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@TheEqualizer2U "Then you use emotion to make your point, when it fact, it is the liberals who use emotion in the worst way."
I did? Where?
"According to your party"
What party would that be?
Look, just because I point out that the video complains about the same KIND of narrow-mindedness it exhibits doesn't mean I'm taking sides on the issues themselves.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@TheEqualizer2U "Your completly side-stepping the issue,"
Taking a step back, yes. Side-stepping? Not at all. If the point of the video were to simply call liberals some names, there's not fallacy there. We are free to call each other names all day long. But if the point is to point out, as you put it "MAJOR differences in the core values of the parties"...well then, what we have here in this video is one big ad hominen fallacy, I'm sure you would agree. You don't see the irony in that?
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids
I dont see any name calling in this video, it's a liberal reacting emotionaly to conservative points.
That's the problem, they have no reason, and they have no respect for anybody who wishes to discuss the issues in a reasonable fashion. They turn every discussion into an emotional rollerscoaster, then attack the conservative by implying they are racist or sexist, whichever fits the discussion.
Truly pathetic, but I'm not worried, the liberal way cannot be sustained.
TheEqualizer2U 1 week ago
@TheEqualizer2U "I dont see any name calling in this video, it's a liberal reacting emotionaly to conservative points."
You don't? Dismissing ALL arguments or points of view you decide are left-of-center in the (arguably inaccurate but commonly used) left-vs-right political spectrum as irrational and emotional is attacking a person's character in lieu of their ACTUAL argument. Ad hominem-->Nothing more than name-calling.
There are left-of-center arguments whether you ignore them or not.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@artieandsadie "It's the basest form of politics."
What you describe is...politics, and maybe the basest form, although it's pretty standard fair for both sides of the isle these days. For every example you give of baseless hyperbole by those on the left I could give you an equivalent on the right. The accusations of socialism, communism, nazism, being unamerican, death panels...the list goes on. These are no more "grounded in reality" than the junk concepts peddled by the left.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@artieandsadie "It's grounded in reality"
Lies, misrepresentations, and inaccuracies of all sorts can, and usually are, grounded in reality to some degree.
All I have said is that by representing liberals as 2-D cliches you yourself have created an emotional response to what is in reality a more complicated dynamic. Do you really believe that ALL liberals lack reasonable responses to your ideas, or Paul Ryan's? And do you really believe that NO conservatives use emotionally-charged labels?
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids You see an equivalency between left and right when it comes to dumbed-down labeling. I don't see the equivalency. So let's leave it at that.
artieandsadie 1 week ago
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@artieandsadie "You see an equivalency between left and right when it comes to dumbed-down labeling. I don't see the equivalency. So let's leave it at that."
Says the guy who makes the dumb generalization that all liberals are irrational and emotional!
Give me a break. You could not be more hypocritical with all of your own dumbed-down labels you use to whine about the left.
THIS weak, myopic failure at self-awareness is what is wrong with politics today.
Let's leave it at THAT.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids
LOL!!
It's meant to be reflective, of the typical Liberal. I'm not surprised you didnt get it, go back to college and finish your indoctrination.
TheEqualizer2U 1 week ago
iridescentsquids is unable to recognize the legitimate concerns of true americans. iridescentsquids is illegitimate, stupid, blinding, and narrowminded
LeibBunny 1 week ago
@LeibBunny "iridescentsquids is illegitimate, stupid, blinding, and narrowminded"
I rest my case. Yet another ideologue who, rather than addressing the argument, resorts to the comfort of whining and calling names.
If you want to rise above the nonsense in politics everyone is blathering on about, do it yourself. Nobody will pull your head out the sand for you.
Start by admitting there are rational people on both sides. Take a friggin risk for a change and listen to the actual arguments.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
iridescentsquids is illegitimiate, stupid, blinding, and narrowminded. indescentsquids is another socialist who whines and calls names. iridescentquids has descended into the nonsense of worshiping Obama, blathering with his empty head in the socialist snd. indescentsuids irrationally friggin argues
LeibBunny 1 week ago
@LeibBunny What is the point of this stupidity? Very immature.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
stupid and immature iridescentsquids has no point to make
LeibBunny 1 week ago
@LeibBunny Actually, I should thank you. You are very closely mimicking the caricature of the liberal in the video, repeating the same nonsense over and over like you are chanting or hypnotized. It's a near-perfect parallel, and you are hammering home my point to everybody else who will read this.
So, thanks. And good luck. Honestly. You're head's not in an easy place.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
iridescentsquids very closely mimicks Obama, repeating the same nonsense over and over again. iridescentsquids chants hypnotically, hammering home his worshiping of Obama. iridescentsquids has no head
LeibBunny 1 week ago
@LeibBunny "iridescentsquids has no head"
lol.
take a deep breath. It's going to be ok.
iridescentsquids 1 week ago
iridescentsquids is suffocating on his own stupid worship of Obama
LeibBunny 1 week ago
@iridescentsquids acctually the video is correct, talk to a liberal about conservative points for more than 30 seconds and they will call you such names. The only thing left out is the liberal almost always throws in a bunch of foul language.
Srd1126 5 days ago
@Srd1126 "talk to a liberal". That's it? Talk to any old liberal anywhere and that's the response you'll get? Really?
The problem is the inability for many people engrossed in politics to consider the arguments of people who disagree with them objectively. And so much talk radio/media bullshit that people get their "info" from makes everyone think they don't need to consider opposing viewpoints to know they are wrong. It's a cycle of ideological bullshit that both sides get stuck in.
iridescentsquids 4 days ago
I like how all the anti-left videos on youtube are stupidified versions of an argument, while all the anti-right videos are of real liberals asserting real intelligence over real right wing nutjobs.
Eepicman 2 weeks ago
@Eepicman You're the reason people should be tested before being allowed to have kids! If only your mother had given your father a blow job instead. Then there might be one less idiot in the world.
superdramallama123 2 weeks ago
Yeah, we'd all like to believe that our side of any argument is full of logic and intelligence, and anyone who disagrees with us is a loser who has a screw lose. I am not attacking you directly, I am saying we all do it, and it's pretty damn sad.
Yoshiisland12345 2 weeks ago
Perfect.
NoGuff 3 weeks ago
@NoGuff
Ditto.
GammaSigmaBeta 2 weeks ago
This video is so spot on it actually scares me.
1337wafflezz 3 weeks ago
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AFXisgreat 3 weeks ago
Three Fourths of the people who watch this are bitter.
sfjeff1089 3 weeks ago
@Lovemy1911a1 Barney frank also had a lot of help from Janet Reno and the govt instituting penalties on banks for not going along with sub-prime mortgage scheme. All pushed as a well to do left ideological thing to pursue under Clinton administration. People who can't afford homes should get homes :-I . Sounds great, but...
TheSmittel 3 weeks ago
Ooh Rah, Kill Babies!! All of us conservatives are Nazi's!! Dont forget the left wing commie gooks though!! :-D
slippinslidewayz 3 weeks ago
pretty sure that the ones who used the word fascist and nazi was alllllllll the tea party candidates.
smokydave 4 weeks ago
@smokydave
Pretty sure it was the people who criticized the tea party.
artieandsadie 4 weeks ago 2
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@artieandsadie "Pretty sure it was the people who criticized the tea party."
Fascinating answer.
Do you really believe that stupid accusations of fascism, nazi-like behavior... heck I can think of dozens of other stupid phrases that get thrown around, like socialism and "anti-American".... do you really believe they originate only from one side of the political spectrum? Honestly?
iridescentsquids 2 weeks ago
@smokydave Actually that was the far left radicals.
Patriot4567382 3 weeks ago
@Patriot4567382 at what point did any democratic politician call anyone in the GOP a nazi
smokydave 3 weeks ago
@smokydave watch?v=dGRUx2b0ArM
frogsoda 3 weeks ago
@frogsoda she called people wearing swastikas to town halls nazis.. yeah.. i can see how thats the same as calling health care reform a nazi plot.
smokydave 6 days ago
@smokydave OK you asked for an example of a Dem poli calling a GOP a Nazi. I showed you one. Not just a Pol, but the Speaker of the Fre kin House. You defend her. So I guess you agree with this video. So I Googled Your statement "swastikas to town halls" and found a whopping 2 pictures of citizens Not wearing swasticas. But carrying signs with Swasticas w/ Circle and line thru them. OK You Have heard of the 1st Amendment right? OK. Good. NOW Do your self a favor and google BUSHITLER.
frogsoda 5 days ago
@smokydave your wrong, huh fancy that...
MrSpukinator 1 week ago
@MrSpukinator oh look.. nancy pelosi said that people wearing swastikas at town halls are inappropriate.. that solves everything.. problem solved.. god you conservatives are stupid.
smokydave 6 days ago
100% acurate
EODtchwon 1 month ago
@EODtchwon Really? Maybe you should take a look at what I've posted. I'm a liberal and I don't converse in this way.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid You may not converse this way, but @AntiWacko on Twitter sure does. I even asked him yesterday where he found his cool bow tie in this video! :)
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid NO you just spout a bunch of hot air incorrect "facts" and wrong information. Your even worse.
EODtchwon 4 weeks ago
@EODtchwon Would you mind explaining where I've been wrong in my posts?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Yes I would mind explaining. OK I'll make it quick and simple. Everything you said is wrong or spun. You good now?
EODtchwon 4 weeks ago
@EODtchwon This is an incredibly deficient response and is very similar to what this video derides liberals for doing (ie "quick and simple" unjustified arguments). How ironic.
One of my posts disproved that government jobs will increase by tens of thousands due to healthcare reform by citing the US Treasury's budget report. If "everything [I] said is wrong," does that mean you doubt the US Treasury's budget report? If so, what evidence do you have to disprove the report?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Oh you must think I care about what you think. You should look up ironic before using it again.
EODtchwon 4 weeks ago
@EODtchwon I know. Honestly, I doubt my ability to identify and define irony. While I'm doing that, maybe you could answer my question instead of avoiding it. Your avoidance implicitly suggests you have no argument.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid You have no question. EVERYTHING you say is wrong. What argument do you want me to make. EVERYTHING! Do you understand that word?
EODtchwon 4 weeks ago
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@EODtchwon Apparently you didn't comprehend my post. Here is my question posted again for your convenience:
One of my posts disproved that government jobs will increase by tens of thousands due to healthcare reform by citing the US Treasury's budget report. If "everything [I] said is wrong," does that mean you doubt the US Treasury's budget report? If so, what evidence do you have to disprove the report?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
What's so pathetic is I just had a debate with a liberal that was JUST like this! According to this guy (real life guy...not the video) claimed opposing Obama was racist and that all the vitriolic "hatred" directed toward Obama was because conservatives were Nazis. I tell you...some of these liberals couldn't think enough to balance a checkbook. It must be painful to go through life that ignorant.
GraysonBuzz 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@GraysonBuzz No one is a nazi or racist for criticizing Obama's policies. But when over half of the GOP were either "unsure" or "doubt" he was born in the US as late as June 2011, one has to wonder. Romney's Father was born in Mexico and McCain was born in Panama, yet not one conservative seems concerned; there's as much evidence they are not natural-born citizens as Obama (ie none).
All I'm saying is if Obama looked white, his birthplace would probably be irrelevant.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid What in the world does his race have to do with questioning where he was born (Note, I don't have that question and think it is a silly issue.)? It has to do with being born OUTSIDE the U.S. and that is not a racial question. It is the left trying to turn that into a racial question. IF - and again, I stress this is not my position - there were evidence he were born in Kenya, then it would be a valid question and have nothing to do with race.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Also, even if the Kenya thing were a valid question for Obama, McCain was born on a US military base! Not quite the same, you do realize right? As for conservatives and where McCain and Romney's dad (though I cannot see for a minute where Romney's dad was born has to do with anything) was born...could be because neither of them are conservatives! ;)
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz Here's the Left's logic:
- Obama's citizenship continued to be discussed and doubted (even to this day) despite overwhelming evidence he was born in Hawaii, a US state.
- Romney and McCain's citizenship could be equally scrutinized, despite overwhelming evidence they are US citizens, but they have not.
- Because Obama's citizenship was scrutinized so heavily, while white candidates were not, some on the Left think racism is involved.
Make sense?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Obama's citizenship is not a mainstream issue and is only being discussed by limited pockets of conspiracy theorist types. However, that does not make it racially motivated. Second, McCain was born on a US MILITARY BASE. How is that even a question for citizenship? Again, I fail to see a racial component. So, the mere fact that Obama is black and McCain white means, by default, it is racial?? Yeah...that is how the left thinks and it is bogus.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid And BTW....Romney was born in Detroit! How in the world is Romney's birthplace even relevant here??? Why do you keep bringing him up?
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid ...where to even begin. First. I am not a "birther" so I don't know all the facts. And obviously, Neither do you. So I will give a few clues. This whole thing started when BHO published a BC that wasn't a BC but a COLB. They are not the same. SO some ppl wanted to see the original. Not an unreasonable request of someone who is running for POTUS. HE REFUSED. The Obama spent Millions of his own dollars in three federal cases to prevent it. See: college transcripts. Continued
frogsoda 5 days ago
@punkyvid Pt2 The Governor of Hawaii stood before the entire world and said he would "Find Proof" that Obama was born there. Then 6 months later said he could Not. Apparently there is an Aunt in Kenya that SAYS he was born there. There are two different accounts from other relatives as to which Hawaiian hospital he was born in. There is a paper trail of Obama attending school in Jakarta at a time when no US citizen would have been allowed to live there. Still more to come.
frogsoda 5 days ago
@frogsoda A bit of clarification. In the sentence "Apparently there is an Aunt in Kenya that SAYS he was born there." The last word "there" refers to Kenya. Not Hawaii.
Apparently there is an Aunt in Kenya that SAYS he was born in Kenya.
frogsoda 5 days ago
@punkyvid Pt3 As for McCain. His eligibility WAS questioned by the left. Simply googling "McCain's eligibility" Will enlighten you and help you to stop looking like such a fool. And a racebator to boot.
Googling "Romney's eligibility" Shows an article from this month THIS MONTH!!!!! That questions his eligibility. SMH
You have a computer. It SHOULD have Google on it. Why don't you try using it? Stop being willfully ignorant.
frogsoda 5 days ago
@frogsoda The mere suggestion that the mild questioning received by both McCain and Romney regarding their presidential eligibility is anywhere equal to the wicked, nefarious charade endured by Obama is completely and utterly facetious. Even a mentally-challenged chimpanzee could refute what you just said.
There is absolutely no way a person could seriously suggest such an incredibly stupid thing. I believe you to be a troll. Please don't waste time posting such nonsense.
punkyvid 5 days ago
@punkyvid The "mild questioning" they received was for two reasons, 1. They aren't withholding information like Obama has been. Did I mention that Obama has spent Millions of his own money in 3 federal cases? You seem to have ignored that fact.
#2 Because the Dems WANT McCain and Romney as candidates because they think The Obama will be able to defeat them.
Please explain Governor Abercrombie's action's. Why couldn't he find it? And why did he have to look for it in the first place?
frogsoda 5 days ago
@punkyvid ....or just continue to call me names like this video accurately portrays you.....
frogsoda 5 days ago
@GraysonBuzz Someone could say "I spoke to an officer in Panama, and he saw McCain being born just outside the base's border; he's not a citizen" or "Romney's Father is Mexican, and our country's founders clearly didn't allow for a foreigner's child to be president." Both are stupid, yet similar "arguments" doubting Obama's citizenship were made with impunity for months (ie I talked to his grandmother, the birth certificate isn't real, the doctor denied his delivery at birth, etc).
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid But no one has claimed that McCain was not born on base. You are just coming up with hairbrain theories now. And even if Romney's father were Mexican, he was BORN IN DETROIT so how is that even remotely similar to asking whether Obama was born in Kenya to a Kenyan father? You are attempting - and failing badly - to turn a conspiracy theory into something racial. But then again, the left is constantly playing the race card when you oppose Obama.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz Obama was born in Honolulu and his Father was from a different country, and Romney was born in Detroit and his Father was from a different country. Obama's citizenship was scrutinized, but not Romney's. These are very similar stories with completely dissimilar reactions, and the only thing different between Romney and Obama is their skin color. Thus, it isn't a stretch to assume the possibility of racism.
How much clearer do I need to be?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Fine..let's for a moment stipulate that both fathers were born outside the US and set aside any reasonable questions that may or may not have existed to question birthplace. Are you telling me that the ONLY potential distinction in the detail of each paternal heritage and individual's place of birth is....race? Really? You immediately boil down those questions to...race. Yes...that is a huge stretch and incredibly myopic and a perfect example of jumping straight to the race card.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid I would note, you comment about the "only different" in this scenario being race is precisely why this video is so funny because your comment demonstrates that the video's satire bear more than a grain of truth. To distill it down to purely race is...laughable and frankly another case of crying racial wolf. This type of irresponsible race baiting desensitizes us to legitimate claims of racism.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz Obama's citizenship was questioned with scant, unreliable evidence, and people continued this long after such evidence was completely dismantled. At the same time, McCain and Romney's citizenship could have been questioned with equally scant, unreliable evidence and was not. If Romney and McCain's citizenship was not questioned at all, while Obama's was questioned at length (and continues to be questioned by some), it's obvious racism is involved.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Wow. I am at a loss for words. How do you argue with such illogical, speculative connections when someone is determined to play the race card? Not one thing in your description of the question of citizenship clearly and definitively links to racial motivations and it's certainly not "obvious." If you truly believe this is the only motivation, you are biased by a desire to imply racism. All I can say at this point, is thanks for providing a real example of the caricature in this video.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz Don't put words into my mouth; I never said racism was "the only motivation." Initially, perhaps questioners were well-intentioned and right to ensure he was a citizen. But I don't see how it is unreasonable to suggest racism was involved when, in addition to the aforementioned, 1) the questioning lingered (and continued to linger) long after it was answered and debunked, and 2) at no point in the past had any presidential candidate's citizenship been questioned.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid You said racism was "obvious." It absolutely is not! Your logic appears to be - "They didn't question McCain/Romney and they did Obama. Obama is black, the others guys white. Must be racism." Huh? There is a huge disconnect in logic between "white." and "Must...". The fact that the questions have lingered for Obama (which is absurd) implies in and of itself that it is racial?? The point is, NONE of your description of the events show any evidence of racial motivation. None.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz Okay. Would you agree that there was at least some possibility that racism may have been a factor for those who continued questioning Obama's citizenship long after it was answered, and who didn't react in kind with the equally dubious citizenship of Romney and McCain?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Of course SOME of the people raising the questions are racist. But you painted with a very broad brush that implied that that was a primary motivator of this group and I reject the broad brush. Racism is not nearly as present as liberals suggest because those suggestions are usually wielded to deflect debate. Heck, I know staunch Dem racists. Everyday on the street you will pass a small percentage of racists. But that is not the broad brush you implied.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz I used the phrases "it's obvious racism was involved," "it isn't a stretch to assume the possibility of racism," and "if Obama looked white, his birthplace would probably be irrelevant." I never said it was a "primary motivator." It would have saved me a lot of time if my posts were comprehended and not perverted to mean that which was not written or implied. But I applaud you for finally admitting I was right; few people are strong enough to admit such things.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Nice way to twist my point. I never said you were right because, in jumping past a dozen far more likely suppositions for questioning Obama's birthplace, that implies a larger role for racism in that community of "birthers" than is likely. Racism exists in all facets of society. Always will in all likelihood but can you deny that racism if far less prevalent today than 50-60 years ago when it would have been at the top of your list?
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz The question is irrelevant to the topic, but yes, racism is far less prevalent.
Upon a second glance, it appears you didn't agree with my contention that racism was involved in questioning Obama's birthplace and, instead, just admitted that some who questioned were racists. Now, you're saying that "a dozen far more likely superstitions" was the culprit.
Why do you suppose some people created superstitions about Obama's birthplace and not Romney's or McCain's?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid I don't know. You would have to ask them. At one point, I did find it odd that he could have cleared the whole matter up by simply releasing a birth certificate but I also recognized the political advantage of letting the birthers rant. Nevertheless, I never considered it a likely scenario that he was not born in the U.S. Even if so, I reasoned it would take so long in the courts we could simply vote him out before it would ever get resolved. So I paid it short shrift.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz So you're convinced there are "a dozen far more likely superstitions" that discredit my claim that racism was involved, but you "don't know" what they are? If you can't identify them, how do you know they exist, and how does their mentioning seemingly carry more weight than my claim?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid As for other's motivation, some people are absolutely blind when they dislike a politician. We saw this with the absurd, over the top claims that continued about Bush. You can have an intense dislike of someone, even irrational, subscribe to various conspiracy theories due to this, but not because of his race. I don't even associate hi birthplace as a racial issue. I fail to see a strong link, but then again, I never think about his race.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz Obama's citizenship was questioned at great length, for an exorbitant time period, while Romney and McCain's citizenship, with their extremely similar dubiety, were not in the slightest. Obama is of a different race than McCain and Romney. Thus, it isn't unreasonable to assume it is likely that racism was (and is) involved. This is not illogical. It may be slightly speculative, but it's justified speculation at the very least.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz Racism is partially defined as treating people unequally based solely on race. Given the aforementioned, there is no way anyone possessing intelligence, a clear conscience, and impartiality could say to others racism was not a factor when Obama's birth certificate was called into question with such ferocity.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Actually, yes they could not consider racism. See, unlike the left who has desensitized us all to real claims of racism with the constant crying wolf, I and most people in 2012 don't see everything through a prism of race. It is a non-factor. For whatever reason, you do seem to see things through a racial prism. That is your prerogative but it is unfair to paint people as racists because of your perception on this topic. That is an ugly accusation.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Again, I cannot tell you initial roots to the "birther" topic because that was never my ax to grind. However, these points you bring up about McCain and Romney's birth...if there were legitimate questions there the left would be all over it just like the some on the right. I again cite the even more absurd conspiracies about Bush. That is not racism - that is bitterly partisan politics.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Finally, why I don't put racism above other suspected "superstitions" is simple and touches on my first point. Racism is hardly as pervasive now. Yes, it exists but it's like some dread diseases of the 19th century - it has been largedly eradicated so my gut, until there is some rational reason to suspect it, does not suspect it. You seem to suspect it initially. I think that is unfounded. I at least you hope you really believe and aren't just playing a racial political card.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz The mere fact racism is not as prevalent today is an atrocious argument for whether racism was involved with the birthers.
A study titled "Evaluations of Presidential Performance: Race, Prejudice, and Perceptions of Americanism", published Nov. 2010 in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology and conducted by Eric Hehman, Samuel L. Gaertner, and John F. DovidioIt, concluded racism was involved with the birthers. I encourage you to look it up.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Surely a peer-reviewed study published in a well-known publication is a "rational reason to suspect" racism was involved? If not, what would be a "rational reason" for you?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid I am tired of defending this continual "race card" that is often played by the left when opposition, warranted and unwarranted, arises. This is not the only instant. In fact, I said in November 08, "Every time we criticize him on issues, we will get accused of being 'racist.'" As expected, that happens a lot, whether it be birthers or ludicrous insinuations of code words for substantive policy opposition. I am sorry if you see the world through a racial prism but I don't.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz You have 1) failed to address an empirical study showing a causal link between birtherism and racism, 2) failed to identify reasons for the birthers' motives, and 3) failed to explain why Obama was the first president in our nation's history to have gone through this. I don't understand why you're "tired of defending [the race card].'" How can you be tired of something you have yet to do?
Good day, sir; arguing with you is like arguing with a dining room table.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid I tried to read that paper. I have no background in Psychology - not even an intro class - so that was a lot of mumbo jumbo. I will note one thing jumped out at me - all the respondents were college students at one school. And the conclusion of bias was based on about 100 white college students. So from that, we have now concluded that all Americans are racists if they oppose Obama? You don't have to be a psych major to realize that doesn't even pass the common sense test.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Consider this statement: "Overall, the results support our hypothesis that negative evaluations of Obama by White participants may be racially motivated." This is right out of the left wing playbook - deflect criticism by claiming that it is racially motivated. While not surprising because we see it from the left often, it stifles any real substantive discussion. Furthermore, all this study MIGHT show is some level of PREJUDICE. Prejudice is NOT racism. There is a difference.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid Finally, your study which talks about Americanism, the birthers are questioning a fact not a perception - was he born in the U.S. or not. That is not something that occurs on a 7-point scale. It is by definition, binary. As for identifying motives for birthers, I don't know! I am not one! I have not talked to a wide cross section of them and I expect you have not either. You are the one making the allegation that they are racists - thus, the burden of proof lies on you, not me.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz Here is a birther statement: "I question whether Obama was born in the United States." This is what it boils down to - what part of that point of view can CLEARLY be attributed to a motive of racism? Please explain that "obvious" linkage. NOTHING there speaks to motive.
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
@GraysonBuzz Finally, as I have said, this is the playbook of the left that was expected - smear any opposition as being racially motivated/biased. This attempt, which is embodied in the first sentence of the "Discussion" section of your paper, immediately discounts ANY criticism of Obama, whether it be absurd claims such as the birthers' claims, or reasonable policy based opposition that is color blind. It is a clever tactic - and it does not wash. Opposition to him is ok and not always racial
GraysonBuzz 4 weeks ago
HAHAHA I laughed for a good 10 min on this one. Its so true I have had this happen so many times you try to talk to these people & its Bush this Bush that like this punkyvid clown & when you throw how dumb or untrue what they say is back in there face bam out comes SIXHIRB (Sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, bigoted).
Lovemy1911a1 1 month ago
@Lovemy1911a1 I never once called anyone by any of those names. I have merely rebutted everything that's been "thrown in my face" and cited sources frequently. Since posting, I've been condescendingly called "son," been told to jump off a cliff, told to "fuck off," been called an idiot, and now you're calling me a clown. The most offending remark from me has been questioning the planet on which a person lives.
Instead of posting this, why don't you try rebutting me?
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid actualy you imply that Republicans are in general racist in several of these coments & the left as a whole does this constantly & not just on the internet I have had people say that shit to my face & they use the actual words not innuendo. Like your crake that there would be no birthers if Obama was white. Well are the truther all agianst Bush because he was white because there shit makes zero since & is motivated by hate.
Lovemy1911a1 4 weeks ago
@Lovemy1911a1 I wrote "... if Obama looked white, his birthplace would probably be irrelevant." Please notice the qualifier "probably." I don't know whether it would be an issue if he was white (no one does), but I am speculating it wouldn't based on the treatment Obama's citizenship received versus the equally dubious citizenship of Romney and McCain.
Your post's grammar and spelling mistakes made it difficult to understand at first. Please remedy this. Thanks.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid As to rebutting you well I could tell u to look at OMB budget historical tables to see that the gov. colects about 17 to mid 18% of GDP no mater what the tax rate is. Or how social spending is crushing the country & is over 70% of the budget but it wont mater to you. No amount of facts will ever matter because u think ur nice & smart so we are just meen liers & ur serounded by people that ecco that so in the end it is piontless
Lovemy1911a1 4 weeks ago
@Lovemy1911a1 Is your incomprehension intentional? None of what you mentioned rebutted anything I wrote and I don't think of you and your ilk as "meen liers." Here are assertions I've made:
- Racism played a role in "Birtherism"
- Between Mar. 2009 and Oct. 2011, Federal and Private jobs increased by 41,000 and 2 million, respectively,
- Jefferson's letters to Madison in 1785 mentioned progressive taxation,
- Bush and his Congress played a major role in the economy's decline.
punkyvid 4 weeks ago
@punkyvid 1. racism probably has little to actually do with the birther shit since like I said there is crazy theories about bush & chainy so things along this line are not all that uncommon.
2.Federal jobs aren't the primary way the gov spends money. How about the explosion of grants, hand outs & loans under that so called stimulus & even that is nothing compared to SS & medicare/medicaid which may not be Obamas fault but it is the lefts baby & u wont let anyone touch it.
Lovemy1911a1 3 weeks ago
@Lovemy1911a1 1. I explained my case at length below and won't address it here.
2. How about the "explosion" of grants, hand outs, and loans? What are they? How much? Maybe the "explosion" of welfare receipts has more to do with the economy; did you consider this? Please cite your sources.
punkyvid 3 weeks ago
@punkyvid 3. Jefferson is not god! I dont care what he said in private letters. The actual constitution is the law of the land not some unratified letter. Also if u look up the facts u will see that tax revenue is fairly stable as percent of GDP regardless of tax rates & thats because rich people doge high taxes
4. Barney Frank was the major driver of the housing collapse. He lead the drive to make banks lend to the poor when they couldnt pay the loans & attacked anyone who tried to stop it
Lovemy1911a1 3 weeks ago
@Lovemy1911a1 3. Tax revenue as a percentage of GDP? What about actual dollars? The last decade saw individual and corporate tax receipts at between 8.4% in 2003 and 12.3% in 2000, and GDP was $10.3 and $11.5 trillion, respectively. Thus, the fluctuation in individual and corporate tax revenues, as a percentage of GDP, varied by $430 billion. This notion that tax rates don't matter because the GDP percentage stays the same is ridiculous; a small percent change is big dollars.
punkyvid 3 weeks ago
@Lovemy1911a1 Barney Frank was the "major driver"? According to what? You can's just spew things without backing them up.
punkyvid 3 weeks ago
Videos like this piss me off, instead of actually debating shit, they just make one side look completely retarded instead of actually making a point
IrishAmerican1234 1 month ago
I hate videos like this. They're just straw man arguments.
luteus77 1 month ago
@luteus77 racist
LolImSoBr00tal 1 month ago
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@punkyvid "This idea that there's a crisis regarding entitlement programs is nothing more than corporate shills attempting to grab more power" LOL. Wow....
ctommy205 1 month ago
If anyone cares to observe a real debate with a Liberal, instead of what is fictitiously depicted in this video, follow my posts below.
punkyvid 1 month ago
RACIST! I'm a liberal. I do not argue like this. I prefer to not argue at all because many conservatives will assume I am like the "liberal" in this video.
prefuffle 1 month ago
That was . . . . . . . . . very wrong. I don't really know what to say, because if I decide to debate this SOMEONE is going to attack me. Hmmm. Spending should be moved, not deleted. If we want to use a metaphor, if you were a homeowner and wanted to make sure that your family and house was doing well, I would look for a better job to make more money, and maybe find where expenses can be put into different areas. Taxing rich people is, in a way, forced donations.
DDP117 1 month ago
@DDP117 Taxing rich people at higher rates is called "progressive taxation," the idea of which goes straight back to Jefferson's letters to Madison in 1785 (way before Marx). The concept is fairly simple; those who have more money have a better ability to pay our nation's expenses than someone with less money. Furthermore, "the rich" have an obligation to this, for they would have never become rich had it not been for the opportunities our nation provided them.
punkyvid 1 month ago
Bush racks up the deficit and helps bring about the worst economy in 80 years, and NOW you're concerned about excessive government spending? Sir, on which planet do you spend most of your time?
punkyvid 1 month ago 4
@punkyvid
Earth. Come visit it sometime.
artieandsadie 1 month ago 9
@artieandsadie "Earth. Come visit it sometime."
Typical witless, unintelligent non-response to contradictory evidence from whom I suppose is conservative. Do yourself a favor and look up the words of David Stockman, Reagan's former budget director, particularly the "debate" between him and Mike Pence. You can find it here on Youtube: /watch?v=C0FQxCPcYio
punkyvid 1 month ago
@punkyvid
Back-to-back $1.3 trillion deficits from Obama and now we're looking at a potential $1.6 trillion deficit. Ten years of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost about $1 trillion. And you want to still blame Bush?
artieandsadie 1 month ago 4
@artieandsadie Yes, and also Congress. Bush played a major roll in giving us the worst economy since the 30s, and government revenue always fluctuates with the economy. Since the US began, there has never been a recession as bad as this whereby we didn't deficit spend. Almost everything Obama has put forward to restore the economy has been voted down by Congress or filibustered by Republicans in the Senate.
Did you watch that video?
punkyvid 1 month ago
@artieandsadie Where did you get your numbers?
lilpolo20 1 month ago
@artieandsadie Didn't he start the Iraq war?
luteus77 1 month ago
@artieandsadie WRONG. The two wars cost at least 3 Trillion combined. The F-35 project is going to cost over 1 Trillion. Shall I continue with George Bush's spending or is 4 Trillion enough?
jackass3563748 1 month ago
@punkyvid -Do yourself a favor and google debt since obama. Google to see how much federal employee have grown under obama. Then go to a cliff and hurl your worthless self off and do the country a favor!
steelersX01 1 month ago
@steelersX01 The following is from the Bureau of Labor Statistics accessed 1/23/2012:
Total Federal Employees - Mar. '09: 2,779,000 --- Oct. '11: 2,820,000
Difference: 41,000
Total Private Employees - Mar. '09: 108,215,000 --- Oct. '11: 110,262,000
Difference: 2,047,000
Contrary to what you implicitly claim, federal employment did not see a large increase under Obama. The number of private sector jobs grew at a higher pace than the number of federal jobs.
punkyvid 1 month ago
@punkyvid -idiot!
In support of Sessions’ statement, his office guided us through employment statistics posted online by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Sure enough, between February 2009, Obama’s first full month in office, and June 2010, the number of private-sector jobs dropped from 110.3 million to 107.7 million, a decrease of nearly 2.7 million. In the same period, the number of federal government workers rose from 2,792,000 to 3,171,000, an increase of 379,000.
steelersX01 1 month ago
@steelersX01 If you use Feb. 2009 and June 2010 as benchmarks, those totals are in the ballpark (depending on whether they're seasonally-adjusted). But federal government jobs decreased from June 2010 (3,184,000) to October 2011 (2,820,000). You can look this up yourself on the BLS website; look at series ID CES0500000001 for total private employees and series ID CES9091000001 for total federal gov't employees. You will see that my numbers are correct.
punkyvid 1 month ago
@punkyvid -fuck off lib. Are you factoring in the tens of thousands of gov;t workers planned to administer obamacare? It's time to shove your head back up obamas ass and don;'t reply again puke.
steelersX01 1 month ago
@steelersX01 Nice reply.
I'm not factoring in anything other than what the BLS reported and don't believe healthcare reform adds many workers to the federal payroll. Our healthcare system will remain private (ie for-profit hospitals, private doctors, etc), and the provisions set forth in reform seem like they could be conducted by the workers currently employed
However, I may be wrong. Do you know of any reputable information sources stating additional workers will be needed?
punkyvid 1 month ago
@punkyvid -Son, google is your friend. Use it and learn. Google IRS expansion under obamacare for a good starting place for your education.
steelersX01 1 month ago
@steelersX01 I just Googled "IRS expansion under obamacare" and found the following:
The 2012 IRS budget requested 1,269 additional workers, 504 of which will be hired to "ensure accurate delivery of tax credits." (source: U.S. Treasury. "Internal Revenue Service FY 2012 Budget Request Congressional Budget Submission." 2/14/11).
The claim that "tens of thousands of gov't workers" needed to administer Obamacare is false; it was perpetuated by Ron Paul in Mar. 2010. Your response?
punkyvid 1 month ago
@punkyvid - Sir, go fuck yourself! Obama's spending makes Bush look like a penny pincher. I'm sooooooo happy that Obama will be receiving an Eviction Notice in November!
sprfly12 1 month ago 6
@sprfly12 Your post was mildly clever. Do you actually have anything substantive to write to repudiate my point that deficits have more to do with the state of the economy and a subsequent lack of government revenue than with spending levels Obama supports?
While we're on the subject, can you also elaborate on the many Congressional Republicans opposing the automatic spending cuts created by the recent super committee's failure, as well as Obama's insistence that they remain?
punkyvid 1 month ago
@punkyvid - both the so called Super Committee and Democrat/Republican elements in Washington DC are nothing but smoke & mirrors. Keeping it simple: Our government is way too big and absolutely out of control.
I want government to stop promising entitlements and get back to the very basics.....like that's gonna happen.
Not in our lifetime.
sprfly12 1 month ago
@sprfly12 That will never happen because it is an incredibly bad idea. If one is historically and intellectually honest, one can see that entitlement programs were created in response to the free market's failure to ensure financial security in old age (social security) and good health (medicare/medicaid). A return to "the very basics" would enable social ills not seen since the Great Depression.
As for the Super Committee, I agree it was a ruse. But those automatic cuts are real.
punkyvid 1 month ago
@punkyvid - exactly my point. This will be the downfall for the USA and the world economy as a whole. We're not talking about basic entitlements, we're talking about overwhelming government (Local/State/Fed) entitlements. This will be the sudden stop that hurts a lot more than the free fall. It's not speed that kills, it's the sudden stop. Coming our way very soon.
sprfly12 1 month ago