I took shuai jiao for a few months at my martial arts school and seeing these guys do it makes me feel stupid. They did all those throws so thoroughly and easily. Shuai jiao is really difficult to get the hang of. Thinks for putting this video up. Sometimes it helps to watch an action being done. To be honest I didn't expect to find videos of shuai jiao.
shuai jiao is older then the oldest recored martial arts which is found in india known as kalaripayattu.westerner and inidan try to claim kalaripayattu is oldest and gave it nickname as mother of all martial arts..however shuai jiao existed before that back in c2696 bce...making it the oldest martial arts and some people try to claim kalaripayattu was influencve by greek martial art when alexender"took over" but kalaripayattu existed before any greek martial arts
I like Shuai Jiao because unlike Kung Fu it's meant to be a battlefield art however It's not the oldest. Many styles of Wrestling/martial arts in Europe are just as old if not older. How can eastern arts be superior? Our arts focus many on combat situations and are meant to take an opponent out as soon as possible, alot of your arts are based on art and kata.
Muay thai and that crap isn't suited for real combat it's just sport.Especially on today's battlefields with automatic weapons, tanks, air craft, etc. nobody is going to throw gloves on and trade blows.Gouren, Shuai Jiao, Judo, grappling in general is the oldest most common form of human combat. European and Middle Eastern Armies trained in Grappling along with weapon disciplines because Striking an armored opponent is ineffective and will get you killed.
@87lutteur you claim our arts are not base on combat but many of arts evolve and was made through combat..years of wars..have made us a dangarous people even douglas mc arthur even stated never go in a land war with asia (first by vizzini but back to topic) though some of our arts base only on kata in past many of it consist of sparring too..you didnt think judo was only through air did you? do not use karate and some kungfu tkd etc..to base it off the rest of our martial arts
Our combat arts were used in warfare not in some muay thai/tae kwon do tournament. Mcarthur is full of crap as many middle eastern and European peoples have gone to war with asia (back to the topic) When did I say judo was useless? I actually like Judo (one of the only events I watch in the olympics) The Japanese utilized it for combat and it paid off for them as it's effective.
@87lutteur (off topic) The quote was used by mc arthur not invented and when you say asia back in the medivial ages or before they never got to the far east india is the fartest east back in the medivial or before that western ever went to war with,during the near modern era with the brits industrializing the attack china but they didnt take all and china was weak at the time divided by rebellion and fighting mutli-faction and their pride led to believe they dont need to improve
@87lutteur you claim europe as older martial arts yet you failed to give me the name or proof of it existence(on purpose?) and although im sure you have read many other my comment on other video you still decide to atempt to be dillusional.You think tank and hand to hand combat are use together when the purpose of hand to hand combat is to go against an enemy when weapon are no longer of use and u have no choice but to take on the man..
I understand what you're saying when you don't want india to take credit for your martial arts.... I understand, however just don't say that our martial arts are mere imitations or inferior to others from other parts of the world. We fought wars too there wasn't firearms hundreds of years from about the 1000's to WW1 alot of combat took place at close range and martial/combat training was a priority.
@87lutteur yes i dont want india and westerner to take ccredit for martial arts..but that was never my intention im just a guy who correct facts where it needs to be..im not "claiming" anything everything i do is purely research and if someone out prove me theni would do more research to see who right and if myopponent is right i would gladly accept his infomation....but it needs proof and facts not opnion and definitely not bulshit
WW1 is an example of what you call "tank and hand to hand combat". When one side got impatient or low on ammo they would charge each others trenches or collide in the middle of the battlefield with bayonet charges where H2H combat couldn't be more brutal as many times weapons were dropped or broken so you're the delusional one.
@87lutteur you claim european is superior to those of asia yet you failed to stated why mostif not all MODERN martials(not the past and not few of those such as parkour if u consider it MA) evolve through asian base MA..such as bjj which use ground move from both judo move and jujuitsu ground move..
Lotta, Lutte, Gouren, Fencing, Pale, Baton, Jogo do Pau, Systema,etc. are still used and all were designed for actual combat not scoring points and theatrical production like many asian arts. However Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Kali, etc. are effective arts however they're not the only ones used like you claim Asian MA is the modern world base. We also aim to take down/cripple opponents as quick as possible.Not score points with strikes or lock an arm or leg to force a tapout.
@87lutteur i didnt say judo,jujuitsu,kali only i said etc..as inmore such as muay thai wingchun, escrema etc.... you obviosuly have trouble uinderstanding the word"like" and "etc" when use as an example in a sentence..and you think all asian martialarts off of only point? lol now that is funny while some are especially tma pratice are base off point(with the execption of some out of the box thinkin'school)most of our is also originated for combat,like jujuitsu,muay boron,shuai jiao..
Plus Parkour is not even a martial art in the sense of hand to hand combat. It's a physical training/obstacle course designed and used by the French military to help soldiers get through elevated and urban environments.
@AnimexWarrior all these westerner have to much pride in their race XD they forgot how asian martial arts are superior are far way oldeer then westernwr that is why everyone use our martial arts today in sport like ufc or millitary like navy seal cqd and i guess some try to make it look as though euro have credit by putting up false facts like saying alexender came to india and influence western martial arts when china got older martial arts then india and india martial arts is older then greece
They're not as well known because they weren't utilized as they were in previous centuries before firearms. Plus Fencing, Greco Roman, Freestyle wrestling arts are olympic sports and utilized by many militaries around the world including asia and the u.s. Asia definitely isn't the birthplace of Martial arts. Grappling and weapon arts are universal to all peoples on every continent of the planet not exclusively invented by one nation or continent.
@87lutteur your information is full of misleading opinion and no research.you act as though you know martial arts yet you have no real clue you deny the use of muay thai in military.Shuai jiao is the oldest recorded form of wrestling/grappling and if you do no believe then please do research because im sure martial arts website,documentary,or if you prefer wikipedia and chacha will tell you the same thing i have that shuai jiao is the oldest recorded form of martial arts
@asian714cali Your information is full of misleading opinion and no research. Grappling is the oldest form of unarmed combat. Obvious you're clueless if you think muay thai will work against an armored opponent forget all those bruce lee and tony jaa movies in the battlefield or the street nobody is gonna waste 5 minutes scoring points with kicks and flying punches. Yeah I wouldn't rely on wikipedia for anything their website is full of shit and lies as any moron could edit it.
@asian714cali Pale/Greek wrestling is far older than shuai jiao.Pale is even older than pankration. Plus Koshti/Iranian wrestling is just as old if not older than shuai jiao. It was utilized by the Persian army which utilized physical training, weapons training, and wrestling which brings me back to my first point. Plus your buddhism and martial arts come from india.
@87lutteur you are delusional i merely ask what does vehicle have to do with hand 2 hand combat because you stated that martial arts is useless in the world where only tank and vehicle are used..and you manage to change the word around by saying the obvious....everyone know h2h is use in modern combat like during the korean war when thousands of chinese charge at the american..you simply use my logic..to fix your own error
@87lutteur i didnt claim asia as the birth place of martial arts i only said what the facts were..which is china has the oldest form of recorded martial arts which is shuai jiao (the only one which recorded wasnt destroyed during/before yellow emporer)kalaripayattu ranking sceond...it was clear that european definitely wasnt the birth place of martial arts yet euro nationlist(mostly youtuber) use lie to propganda that it is....
@asian714cali Youre the ignorant one claiming that asia's martial arts are older/superior to European/Western combat styles. They were more effective as they were designed strictly for combat not for sports/theatrical production. The internet (especially this website) uses propaganda claiming that Europeans never invented martial arts or that they died out.
@87lutteur second you failed..again..to stated these "form"that are supposively older then shuai jiao does it not have a name for the only one recorded as the oldest form of martial arts was shuai jiao dating back to 2698 b.c one of the only of it kind that wasnt destroyed..if you truly did research you woudlnt have deny it and if there was one that older there would have been a citation,dated,link,and name for it...
We Europeans love our heritage and martial traditions. Our arts are just as old if not older and superior to the asian ones. Ours focus on combat not kata or theatrical entertainment like yours.
@Reido2828: it works great! I've used it a couple of times and I have yet to encounter someone who actually gets up! There are self defense and sport versions but both work well! ~Maxi358
If the Gracies were to find out about shuai jiao in their early years when they were challenging other martial art schools, they would had been crushed by them.
El Shuai Jiao es mucho más antiguo que el JUDO, de hecho sus origenes estarían en Mongolia y de ahí pasarían a China, siendo la primera forma de arte marcial conocido en China (Anterior a Shaolin y Tamo).
Se ve más limpio porque es un video promocional, nada más
when ive heard that shuai jiao is chinese "wrestling" i thought that its like western wrestling ( two guys rolling around without.... nonsense), but when i saw this i saw that its totally different, it looks like judo... actually judo looks like shuai jiao, do you guys agree?
@GuitarDestroyer77777 Technically speaking, shuai jiao is credited with influencing part of the development of early jujutsu. judo is derived from the less dangerous techniques of Tenjin Shinyo-ryu and Kito-ryu jujutsu.
It is always nice to see things of cultural/ combat/ conditioning.
I never get into what is best.
It is like saying, music X or music Y is the best.
I like MMA,however,Some people say MMA is tops,nothing competes.
Well, one nice shin kick followed by a finger jab to the eye and the MMA dude is going to be looking for his eyeball rolling round on the ground from which he can't stand. Kind of like the paper, scissors, stone exercise.
@BruceTheHandsomeAbo: Shuai Jiao as a sport is a system within its own right, with no ground fighting involved in the sport version. As a self defense, ground fighting is included within the system of Chin Na.
interesting. i honestly wasnt expecting to enjoy this. i like how they address my only major issue with judo: their "gi's" simulate civilian clothes. 很有意
@romulux7: This is a rare art in the US, but there are many great books and videos on the subject; you would just have to find a willing partner. Finding one is not that hard in today's age of MMA however, Check it out!
@romulux7 I think that there just may be one NEAR you. I was there at a shuai jiao school in Cupertino in 1999. Daniel Weng was the instructor. Hope that helps! :)
@Fyllype: I dunno, I do both Shuai Jiao and BJJ and I feel Shuai Jiao is much more dangerous. I've been in a few street fights and I have yet to see someone who will get up after one of my takedowns. As for BJJ, yes it's dangerous, but it takes a little longer cuz you have to lock before breaking bones.
@redlycan1978 I would say Shuai Jiao blends especially well with BJJ. It's really up to the practitioner whether or not to choose Judo over Shuai Jiao. I chose Shuai Jiao because it strictly deals with takedowns. Both Judo and Shuai Jiao are great, but I enjoyed Shuai Jiao a lot more.
@Maxi358 I've trained in both as well as Judo and catch wrestling. Of all those I would rate BJJ as the least useful in a real life encounter. That's not to say it's useless but in my experience I've found myself falling back on my other training when I've had to use it. BJJ is great as long as ou can sucker your opponent into taking you to the ground and wanting to stay there.
i think judo has advanced way further due to olympic level of competition, but all these arts are great. i hope i can learn some shuai jiao eventually.
@shifudan: This is true. Shuai Jiao was known for its "broken bones and flowing blood in ancient times." Many techniques were specifically aimed at breaking the neck Modern Shuai Jiao had to destroy that reputation and make it safe for the general public, so they banned the strangles and joint-locks (in the sport). I train Shuai Jiao myself and I've added Chin Na techniques to enable me to tango with Judo guys. However, I train for combat so it's a little different.
punching, kicking, throwing. . . you can create as many named styles as you want, but in the end, there are only so many ways to kick and punch and throw people.
that's true, however, technique does matter, fighting is very deep, more than just punching and kicking, anyone can throw a punch or a kick, without proper technique you only use a small fraction of your current power, Martial Arts takes a lot of physical and mental conditioning, which you don't see any more sadly, in America at least, the moments before a fight can greatly influence the outcome, it really just depends, but I know for a fact that combat runs deep
Pale is just as old as Shuai Jiao however I agree with you that Pankration (Mix of Pale and Egyptian combat techniques) didn't influence asian martial arts.
Although alot of the techniques look the same, there is only so many ways a human body can move, and only a number of ways a human body can effectively throw, slam and pin, and submit another human body lol So it makes sense that anyone in the world who decided to figure out the best ways to grapple someone, would create many of the same techniques. Like what martial art on earth does not have a kind of balled up hand strike aka punch lol We all have the same mind and body.
to be more precise, the really ancient version was called JiaoDi( "horn butting" ). Supposedly it took inspiration from the way bulls fight in the wild.
ShuaiJiao is a later term used to refer to wrestling in general. Thus a WWE wrestler may also be called ShuaiJiaoShou :)
@MrBeto8787 im not so certain about that, alexander the great did conquer all the way to india so it could have influenced asian martial arts and vica versa. Not saying it has just saying it could of had
So, why are they using judo ukemi (with the arm slapping the mat)? I thought SJ used a more fetal position. Could it be that the SJ people, in their cross training, found something useful in judo? Could we someday see ground work in SJ?
Every wrestling style uses the arm slapping the mat. It is possible that the SJ people found some usefulness in Judo, but unlikely since SJ has been around for 4000 years, 1000 years before most other Asian arts were conceived. SJ does have ground work in it, it's just considered trivial by BJJ standards. Judo is descended from (Japanese) Jujitsu and jujitsu is descended from SJ and Chin Na. Thus, making Shuai Jiao the granddaddy of Judo.
No, I'm very educated on the art of Shuai Jiao. Now that I understand the context of you were conveying your comment in, it makes sense. Did you know Shuai Jiao is a word to describe the 300+ wrestling techniques in China? There are four divisions of Shuai Jiao; can you name them (Shanxi, Baoding, Tianjin, and Beijing)? Yes, Judo is based on jujitsu. Do you know what influenced jujitsu? Shuai Jiao and Chin Na. Check it out...EDUCATION!
LOL, my friend, you seem to fail to understand the context yet. I was saying that Shuai Jiao is older than Judo.
And, yes, I am aware of the fact that Chin Na influened Jujutso with elements Shuai Jiao had from Chin Na, so Shuai Jiao didn't directly influence Judo, but through a long link which is somewhat this: Chin Na -> Shuai Jiao/Jujutso -> Judo.
LOL, no I understand the context fully; you don't seem to understand my post; since when did I say Shuai Jiao directly influenced judo? And when did I say that you NEVER said Shuai Jiao was older than Judo? I think you need to read my post again.
If this was an insult comment I'd tell you to go get reading lessons, but it's not. Yet it seems you fail to understand I was saying exactly what you said, just in a short form. Like the hebrew saying: "A hint is enough for a wise man" (loose translation)
I don't think you paid any attention to my post. So why don't you quote the areas directly where I said or implied that you said the opposite of what you actually posted?
"Did you know Shuai Jiao is a word to describe the 300+ wrestling techniques in China? ... Check it out...EDUCATION!" this is an implication of me not knowing those facts, thus "claiming" my post was disproving those facts in some way, which it's not.
@Maxi358 There really should be NO doubt that jujitsu was influenced by Shuai Jiao and Chi Na just as Karate was influenced by other forms of Chinese martial arts and many other aspects of Japanese culture. I find people want to argue this mainly because they think if jujitsu was influenced by Shuai Jiao, that some how makes it less Japanese or less its own martial art. This simply isn't true. That'd be like saying Germany isn't original because it uses the Roman alphabet. Well, my 2 cents.
it's called "on the general's orders" but it is not colloquially referred to as "wong fei hung." Named after a historical Chinese actor/doctor/everything else and folk hero. kidna like how a kleenex is now a tissue.
Yep, this art helped with the creation of jujitsu (in which Chinese Chin Na had a part as well), and we all know Judo came from Jujitsu; In a way, this is the grandfather of judo.
"There is no Chinese Style, Japanese Style, or any other style, 'cuz all men have basically 2 arms and 2 legs, so for being a different style they should have 3 arms or 4 legs." -Bruce Lee.
There is no better style, there is Better Fighters. ^_^
That is simply not true. Street fighting could even be called a style and it is certainly not more effective that someone who has formally trained for several years in a serious Martial Art. Also when you put style against style, there have been a lot of cases of the lesser experienced/conditioned fighter winning, simply because their style was more effective than there opponents. Additionally, I seriously doubt Bruce Lee ever used the word 'cuz'!
Dude! Watch the "Bruce Lee's Lost Interview" and watch "Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do" Documental, am not faking his words, just study his Philosophy and you will understand what's my point. I just say: It's not the style, is the person.
I don't get your point. Shuai Jiao also came from somewhere... Mongolian wrestling. Besides, you might like the model T-Ford, but I will take the F-150. Grappling has evolved, and has been improved and refined as time goes on.
I love da comments where if a martial art copys another martial art frm China da keyword is dat martial art "Came" frm China bt da moment its da other way round da keyword changes to "Influenced" lol. Nt sure wat dis argument is achieving Jiu Jitsu may hav b'n influenced by Chinese martial arts wat makes it da art it is is 2day, is what it became when it evolved in Japan. Jiu Jitsu is no more a chinese marial art than BJJ is Judo. No martial art was made without taking something from somewhere.
other facts discredit the monk is that the scroll he supposedly brought that had martial arts in it, was not written by him nor carried by him.
another discredit is the first 2 shaolin monks were already experts in MA, before the creation of shaolin aka before bododharma guy even went to shaolin.
the indian monk legend has been discredited on many accounts.
Not entirely sure what your on about being that part of your comment was removed. However u seem to hav missed my point, I was merely having a laugh at the comments. To b honest it is very hard to tell what principles or techniques came from where, the comments on this pg are a testament where they are not always accurate & bias is high. What gives people the impression that history would be any different to these comments when it was written?
lol, i re posted but it didnt go through. anyway i was asking if you meant, chinese say others copy, but in regards to indian monk and shaolin we say "influenced".
so i went on to explain how the indian monk didnt do much.
well one is youtube comment. other is based on martial art historian and other scholarly proofs.
The reason why I dumbed down my comment was so it would fit within the 500 character count. You shouldn't make assumptions like that. Seriously, you should work on that.
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I took shuai jiao for a few months at my martial arts school and seeing these guys do it makes me feel stupid. They did all those throws so thoroughly and easily. Shuai jiao is really difficult to get the hang of. Thinks for putting this video up. Sometimes it helps to watch an action being done. To be honest I didn't expect to find videos of shuai jiao.
rwoi 6 days ago
Discussions like these are so stupid.
brottarnacke 1 month ago
Cool video and nice throws!
Himmapharn13 2 months ago
shuai jiao is older then the oldest recored martial arts which is found in india known as kalaripayattu.westerner and inidan try to claim kalaripayattu is oldest and gave it nickname as mother of all martial arts..however shuai jiao existed before that back in c2696 bce...making it the oldest martial arts and some people try to claim kalaripayattu was influencve by greek martial art when alexender"took over" but kalaripayattu existed before any greek martial arts
asian714cali 2 months ago
@asian714cali
I like Shuai Jiao because unlike Kung Fu it's meant to be a battlefield art however It's not the oldest. Many styles of Wrestling/martial arts in Europe are just as old if not older. How can eastern arts be superior? Our arts focus many on combat situations and are meant to take an opponent out as soon as possible, alot of your arts are based on art and kata.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@asian714cali
Muay thai and that crap isn't suited for real combat it's just sport.Especially on today's battlefields with automatic weapons, tanks, air craft, etc. nobody is going to throw gloves on and trade blows.Gouren, Shuai Jiao, Judo, grappling in general is the oldest most common form of human combat. European and Middle Eastern Armies trained in Grappling along with weapon disciplines because Striking an armored opponent is ineffective and will get you killed.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@87lutteur you claim our arts are not base on combat but many of arts evolve and was made through combat..years of wars..have made us a dangarous people even douglas mc arthur even stated never go in a land war with asia (first by vizzini but back to topic) though some of our arts base only on kata in past many of it consist of sparring too..you didnt think judo was only through air did you? do not use karate and some kungfu tkd etc..to base it off the rest of our martial arts
asian714cali 1 week ago
@asian714cali
Our combat arts were used in warfare not in some muay thai/tae kwon do tournament. Mcarthur is full of crap as many middle eastern and European peoples have gone to war with asia (back to the topic) When did I say judo was useless? I actually like Judo (one of the only events I watch in the olympics) The Japanese utilized it for combat and it paid off for them as it's effective.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@87lutteur (off topic) The quote was used by mc arthur not invented and when you say asia back in the medivial ages or before they never got to the far east india is the fartest east back in the medivial or before that western ever went to war with,during the near modern era with the brits industrializing the attack china but they didnt take all and china was weak at the time divided by rebellion and fighting mutli-faction and their pride led to believe they dont need to improve
asian714cali 6 days ago
@87lutteur you claim europe as older martial arts yet you failed to give me the name or proof of it existence(on purpose?) and although im sure you have read many other my comment on other video you still decide to atempt to be dillusional.You think tank and hand to hand combat are use together when the purpose of hand to hand combat is to go against an enemy when weapon are no longer of use and u have no choice but to take on the man..
asian714cali 1 week ago
@asian714cali
I understand what you're saying when you don't want india to take credit for your martial arts.... I understand, however just don't say that our martial arts are mere imitations or inferior to others from other parts of the world. We fought wars too there wasn't firearms hundreds of years from about the 1000's to WW1 alot of combat took place at close range and martial/combat training was a priority.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@87lutteur yes i dont want india and westerner to take ccredit for martial arts..but that was never my intention im just a guy who correct facts where it needs to be..im not "claiming" anything everything i do is purely research and if someone out prove me theni would do more research to see who right and if myopponent is right i would gladly accept his infomation....but it needs proof and facts not opnion and definitely not bulshit
asian714cali 6 days ago
@asian714cali
WW1 is an example of what you call "tank and hand to hand combat". When one side got impatient or low on ammo they would charge each others trenches or collide in the middle of the battlefield with bayonet charges where H2H combat couldn't be more brutal as many times weapons were dropped or broken so you're the delusional one.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@87lutteur you claim european is superior to those of asia yet you failed to stated why mostif not all MODERN martials(not the past and not few of those such as parkour if u consider it MA) evolve through asian base MA..such as bjj which use ground move from both judo move and jujuitsu ground move..
asian714cali 1 week ago
@asian714cali
Lotta, Lutte, Gouren, Fencing, Pale, Baton, Jogo do Pau, Systema,etc. are still used and all were designed for actual combat not scoring points and theatrical production like many asian arts. However Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Kali, etc. are effective arts however they're not the only ones used like you claim Asian MA is the modern world base. We also aim to take down/cripple opponents as quick as possible.Not score points with strikes or lock an arm or leg to force a tapout.
87lutteur 1 week ago
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87lutteur 1 week ago
@87lutteur i didnt say judo,jujuitsu,kali only i said etc..as inmore such as muay thai wingchun, escrema etc.... you obviosuly have trouble uinderstanding the word"like" and "etc" when use as an example in a sentence..and you think all asian martialarts off of only point? lol now that is funny while some are especially tma pratice are base off point(with the execption of some out of the box thinkin'school)most of our is also originated for combat,like jujuitsu,muay boron,shuai jiao..
asian714cali 6 days ago
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Plus Parkour is not even a martial art in the sense of hand to hand combat. It's a physical training/obstacle course designed and used by the French military to help soldiers get through elevated and urban environments.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@AnimexWarrior all these westerner have to much pride in their race XD they forgot how asian martial arts are superior are far way oldeer then westernwr that is why everyone use our martial arts today in sport like ufc or millitary like navy seal cqd and i guess some try to make it look as though euro have credit by putting up false facts like saying alexender came to india and influence western martial arts when china got older martial arts then india and india martial arts is older then greece
asian714cali 2 months ago
@asian714cali
They're not as well known because they weren't utilized as they were in previous centuries before firearms. Plus Fencing, Greco Roman, Freestyle wrestling arts are olympic sports and utilized by many militaries around the world including asia and the u.s. Asia definitely isn't the birthplace of Martial arts. Grappling and weapon arts are universal to all peoples on every continent of the planet not exclusively invented by one nation or continent.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@87lutteur your information is full of misleading opinion and no research.you act as though you know martial arts yet you have no real clue you deny the use of muay thai in military.Shuai jiao is the oldest recorded form of wrestling/grappling and if you do no believe then please do research because im sure martial arts website,documentary,or if you prefer wikipedia and chacha will tell you the same thing i have that shuai jiao is the oldest recorded form of martial arts
asian714cali 1 week ago
@asian714cali Your information is full of misleading opinion and no research. Grappling is the oldest form of unarmed combat. Obvious you're clueless if you think muay thai will work against an armored opponent forget all those bruce lee and tony jaa movies in the battlefield or the street nobody is gonna waste 5 minutes scoring points with kicks and flying punches. Yeah I wouldn't rely on wikipedia for anything their website is full of shit and lies as any moron could edit it.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@asian714cali Pale/Greek wrestling is far older than shuai jiao.Pale is even older than pankration. Plus Koshti/Iranian wrestling is just as old if not older than shuai jiao. It was utilized by the Persian army which utilized physical training, weapons training, and wrestling which brings me back to my first point. Plus your buddhism and martial arts come from india.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@87lutteur you are delusional i merely ask what does vehicle have to do with hand 2 hand combat because you stated that martial arts is useless in the world where only tank and vehicle are used..and you manage to change the word around by saying the obvious....everyone know h2h is use in modern combat like during the korean war when thousands of chinese charge at the american..you simply use my logic..to fix your own error
asian714cali 6 days ago
@87lutteur i didnt claim asia as the birth place of martial arts i only said what the facts were..which is china has the oldest form of recorded martial arts which is shuai jiao (the only one which recorded wasnt destroyed during/before yellow emporer)kalaripayattu ranking sceond...it was clear that european definitely wasnt the birth place of martial arts yet euro nationlist(mostly youtuber) use lie to propganda that it is....
asian714cali 1 week ago
@asian714cali Youre the ignorant one claiming that asia's martial arts are older/superior to European/Western combat styles. They were more effective as they were designed strictly for combat not for sports/theatrical production. The internet (especially this website) uses propaganda claiming that Europeans never invented martial arts or that they died out.
87lutteur 1 week ago
@87lutteur second you failed..again..to stated these "form"that are supposively older then shuai jiao does it not have a name for the only one recorded as the oldest form of martial arts was shuai jiao dating back to 2698 b.c one of the only of it kind that wasnt destroyed..if you truly did research you woudlnt have deny it and if there was one that older there would have been a citation,dated,link,and name for it...
asian714cali 6 days ago
@asian714cali
We Europeans love our heritage and martial traditions. Our arts are just as old if not older and superior to the asian ones. Ours focus on combat not kata or theatrical entertainment like yours.
87lutteur 1 week ago
To anyone interested in Shuai Jiao, look up Sifu Chang Tung Sheng and observe his videos.
plonski749 3 months ago
Shuai Jiao was recorded back in c.2696BCE by Huangdi the Yellow Emperor.
SithV1 4 months ago
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iMisogynist 3 months ago
@Reido2828: it works great! I've used it a couple of times and I have yet to encounter someone who actually gets up! There are self defense and sport versions but both work well! ~Maxi358
IBurton86 4 months ago
@TheAikidoBoy: Not a problem man!
IBurton86 4 months ago
this track is awesome
ninjabastard2 5 months ago
i want to see "shuai guy vs bjj guy .
bjjjordan 5 months ago
can you attack the legs and use clinch takedowns? i think that u cant in judo is one of itsbiggest flaws
johnotm 6 months ago
can you attack the legs and use clinch takedowns i thought that was the main fault in judo
johnotm 6 months ago
looks more like judo then wrestling
Brendonthelyricist 7 months ago in playlist gongfu
what song is this? I keep hearing it now and then
fusshia 7 months ago
8 judokas wonder where their sleeves went.
Boltgrinder 7 months ago
If the Gracies were to find out about shuai jiao in their early years when they were challenging other martial art schools, they would had been crushed by them.
spreadzilch 7 months ago
Every indigenous region has its own version of each aspect of the martial arts. Education goes deeper...
TheKINGofLIGHT 7 months ago
Muito bom vídeo.. também fizemos um aqui no Brasil
ricardowolfjordao 9 months ago
supongo que es la version china del judo. pero: ¿porque la técnica se ve mucho mas limpia?
ipoful 9 months ago
El Shuai Jiao es mucho más antiguo que el JUDO, de hecho sus origenes estarían en Mongolia y de ahí pasarían a China, siendo la primera forma de arte marcial conocido en China (Anterior a Shaolin y Tamo).
Se ve más limpio porque es un video promocional, nada más
hmasias 9 months ago
@hmasias : gracias por la respuesta, aveces esta uno mal informado...
gracias otra vez, saludos
ipoful 9 months ago
man that song! so inspiring! all what was needed was a hawk to fly by dramaticaly! i want to train in this form!
elmucaro177 9 months ago
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nintanime 10 months ago
0:40 what kind of exercise is that and how does it help
EletmenticAzn 10 months ago
@EletmenticAzn
it's a warm-up exercise
if they didn't do it, they would possibly harm themselves when throwing others to the floor
nintanime 10 months ago
@nintanime what u mean "harm themselves"?
EletmenticAzn 9 months ago
@EletmenticAzn
pull muscles, all stuff that people of even western cultures may get from not warming up before exercsing
nintanime 9 months ago
when ive heard that shuai jiao is chinese "wrestling" i thought that its like western wrestling ( two guys rolling around without.... nonsense), but when i saw this i saw that its totally different, it looks like judo... actually judo looks like shuai jiao, do you guys agree?
GuitarDestroyer77777 1 year ago
@GuitarDestroyer77777 Technically speaking, shuai jiao is credited with influencing part of the development of early jujutsu. judo is derived from the less dangerous techniques of Tenjin Shinyo-ryu and Kito-ryu jujutsu.
CasualSoul 11 months ago
Thanks for the post!
It is always nice to see things of cultural/ combat/ conditioning.
I never get into what is best.
It is like saying, music X or music Y is the best.
I like MMA,however,Some people say MMA is tops,nothing competes.
Well, one nice shin kick followed by a finger jab to the eye and the MMA dude is going to be looking for his eyeball rolling round on the ground from which he can't stand. Kind of like the paper, scissors, stone exercise.
Surprise and Speed Kills Competition
pv269 1 year ago 2
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pv269 1 year ago
Great Wong Fei Hong cover
aca1963psdb 1 year ago
wo shi nan er dan zi jiang.
pochazet 1 year ago
Very nice vid . Is Shuai Jiao a mix of judo , jiujitsu or any ground work involved ?
BruceTheHandsomeAbo 1 year ago
@BruceTheHandsomeAbo: Shuai Jiao as a sport is a system within its own right, with no ground fighting involved in the sport version. As a self defense, ground fighting is included within the system of Chin Na.
Maxi358 1 year ago
Can anyone tell me what's the different between this and judo?
URMOMB1TCh3Z 1 year ago
@URMOMB1TCh3Z judos a sport
boehmtj 1 year ago
interesting. i honestly wasnt expecting to enjoy this. i like how they address my only major issue with judo: their "gi's" simulate civilian clothes. 很有意
RabidxPanda 1 year ago
Coolest uniforms ever since the Spartans, Show your Six pack with pride!
bezerka 1 year ago
fuck i wanna train this but there are no schools in san jose cal.looks good for no gi jiu jitsu
romulux7 1 year ago
@romulux7: This is a rare art in the US, but there are many great books and videos on the subject; you would just have to find a willing partner. Finding one is not that hard in today's age of MMA however, Check it out!
Maxi358 1 year ago
@romulux7 I think that there just may be one NEAR you. I was there at a shuai jiao school in Cupertino in 1999. Daniel Weng was the instructor. Hope that helps! :)
MuscularHumanism 1 year ago
wo shi nan er dang zi jiang
pochazet 1 year ago
were can i find the song? what is the name of this song?
maornz 1 year ago
Is there ever any striking in this art at all? I am debating someone he say's no, I want to say yes. They must punch at one point.
clearcombat 1 year ago
@clearcombat When taught as a self-defense, yes there is striking. When taught as a competion sport, no there is no striking.
Maxi358 1 year ago
@boorijinal
Shaoi Jaoi isn't better than Qin na or jujutsu or judo or brazilian jui jitsu.
With exception of judo, nearly ALL the styles you listed deal with completely different skillsets.
It's apples and oranges.
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ShuaiJiaoWrestling 1 year ago
Shuai Jiao has my respect, but BJJ is more ofensive and more dangerous than Shuai jiao.
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ShuaiJiaoWrestling 1 year ago
@Fyllype: I dunno, I do both Shuai Jiao and BJJ and I feel Shuai Jiao is much more dangerous. I've been in a few street fights and I have yet to see someone who will get up after one of my takedowns. As for BJJ, yes it's dangerous, but it takes a little longer cuz you have to lock before breaking bones.
Maxi358 1 year ago 4
@Maxi358 Does it blend well with BJJ?Or is Judo more suitable for BJJ competitions?
redlycan1978 1 year ago
@redlycan1978 its equally suitable they did a magazin article about a shua jiao jguy going in to mma
kaindrg 1 year ago
@redlycan1978 I would say Shuai Jiao blends especially well with BJJ. It's really up to the practitioner whether or not to choose Judo over Shuai Jiao. I chose Shuai Jiao because it strictly deals with takedowns. Both Judo and Shuai Jiao are great, but I enjoyed Shuai Jiao a lot more.
Maxi358 1 year ago
@Maxi358 I've trained in both as well as Judo and catch wrestling. Of all those I would rate BJJ as the least useful in a real life encounter. That's not to say it's useless but in my experience I've found myself falling back on my other training when I've had to use it. BJJ is great as long as ou can sucker your opponent into taking you to the ground and wanting to stay there.
TakgeyonBlackbelt 3 weeks ago
i think judo has advanced way further due to olympic level of competition, but all these arts are great. i hope i can learn some shuai jiao eventually.
shifudan 1 year ago
@shifudan: This is true. Shuai Jiao was known for its "broken bones and flowing blood in ancient times." Many techniques were specifically aimed at breaking the neck Modern Shuai Jiao had to destroy that reputation and make it safe for the general public, so they banned the strangles and joint-locks (in the sport). I train Shuai Jiao myself and I've added Chin Na techniques to enable me to tango with Judo guys. However, I train for combat so it's a little different.
Maxi358 1 year ago 2
this art is great, I love it, whens the last time any chinese wrestlers beat Judo guys? Just curious?
shifudan 1 year ago
@shifudan Hard to say really; In China, Shaui Jiao and Judo are practiced together. So in a way, all the time, lol!
Maxi358 1 year ago
punching, kicking, throwing. . . you can create as many named styles as you want, but in the end, there are only so many ways to kick and punch and throw people.
risingsun08107 1 year ago
@risingsun08107
that's true, however, technique does matter, fighting is very deep, more than just punching and kicking, anyone can throw a punch or a kick, without proper technique you only use a small fraction of your current power, Martial Arts takes a lot of physical and mental conditioning, which you don't see any more sadly, in America at least, the moments before a fight can greatly influence the outcome, it really just depends, but I know for a fact that combat runs deep
Vorgoth911 1 year ago
oh... finally i know where the judo and jiu jitsu come from...it came to japan with the chinese..:)
phormacek 1 year ago
A throw is a throw. The end.
Five5six 1 year ago
cool looks a lot like judo doe it have a good ground game
sumoshinobi 2 years ago
This is kinda older then Judo, a few thousand years older. "Legend states that "jiao di" was used in 2697 BC"
dafuki 2 years ago
For all Shuai Jiao-holics:
Make sure you check ouy the Shuai Jiao tutorials posted on this channel.
Peace!
SuperTutorialKing 2 years ago
Awesome!
SuperTutorialKing 2 years ago
Pale is just as old as Shuai Jiao however I agree with you that Pankration (Mix of Pale and Egyptian combat techniques) didn't influence asian martial arts.
MrBeto8787 2 years ago 7
Although alot of the techniques look the same, there is only so many ways a human body can move, and only a number of ways a human body can effectively throw, slam and pin, and submit another human body lol So it makes sense that anyone in the world who decided to figure out the best ways to grapple someone, would create many of the same techniques. Like what martial art on earth does not have a kind of balled up hand strike aka punch lol We all have the same mind and body.
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@MrBeto8787
to be more precise, the really ancient version was called JiaoDi( "horn butting" ). Supposedly it took inspiration from the way bulls fight in the wild.
ShuaiJiao is a later term used to refer to wrestling in general. Thus a WWE wrestler may also be called ShuaiJiaoShou :)
StarSpawn06 4 months ago
@MrBeto8787 why not?
alaricofarabia 3 months ago
@MrBeto8787 im not so certain about that, alexander the great did conquer all the way to india so it could have influenced asian martial arts and vica versa. Not saying it has just saying it could of had
TheObelix876 3 months ago
lol i remember reading about a bunch of chinese soldiers wearing antler horns headbutting people loool.
bezerka 2 years ago
So, why are they using judo ukemi (with the arm slapping the mat)? I thought SJ used a more fetal position. Could it be that the SJ people, in their cross training, found something useful in judo? Could we someday see ground work in SJ?
iancipperly 2 years ago
Every wrestling style uses the arm slapping the mat. It is possible that the SJ people found some usefulness in Judo, but unlikely since SJ has been around for 4000 years, 1000 years before most other Asian arts were conceived. SJ does have ground work in it, it's just considered trivial by BJJ standards. Judo is descended from (Japanese) Jujitsu and jujitsu is descended from SJ and Chin Na. Thus, making Shuai Jiao the granddaddy of Judo.
Maxi358 2 years ago 2
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So....judo with weird half gis, katas, and running shoes. And bow and arrow work somewhere in there. AWESOME!
EricMCKiller 2 years ago
Wow, how retarded! It's the other way around, Just id the no "half gis, katas and running shoes" complement of jujutsu.
GET EDUCATED PEOPLE! I'm getting tired of repeating this all over youtube!
dafuki 2 years ago
What the hell are you talking about?
Maxi358 2 years ago
Well, since he thinks Judo is older than SJ, or old at all, he should be aware of the fact that Judo is based on Jujutsu, enitrely.
This is the hell that I'm talking about, or should you get educated too? :-)
dafuki 2 years ago
No, I'm very educated on the art of Shuai Jiao. Now that I understand the context of you were conveying your comment in, it makes sense. Did you know Shuai Jiao is a word to describe the 300+ wrestling techniques in China? There are four divisions of Shuai Jiao; can you name them (Shanxi, Baoding, Tianjin, and Beijing)? Yes, Judo is based on jujitsu. Do you know what influenced jujitsu? Shuai Jiao and Chin Na. Check it out...EDUCATION!
Maxi358 2 years ago 26
LOL, my friend, you seem to fail to understand the context yet. I was saying that Shuai Jiao is older than Judo.
And, yes, I am aware of the fact that Chin Na influened Jujutso with elements Shuai Jiao had from Chin Na, so Shuai Jiao didn't directly influence Judo, but through a long link which is somewhat this: Chin Na -> Shuai Jiao/Jujutso -> Judo.
dafuki 2 years ago
LOL, no I understand the context fully; you don't seem to understand my post; since when did I say Shuai Jiao directly influenced judo? And when did I say that you NEVER said Shuai Jiao was older than Judo? I think you need to read my post again.
Maxi358 2 years ago
(Part2 of my comment)
If this was an insult comment I'd tell you to go get reading lessons, but it's not. Yet it seems you fail to understand I was saying exactly what you said, just in a short form. Like the hebrew saying: "A hint is enough for a wise man" (loose translation)
dafuki 2 years ago
I don't think you paid any attention to my post. So why don't you quote the areas directly where I said or implied that you said the opposite of what you actually posted?
Maxi358 2 years ago
"Did you know Shuai Jiao is a word to describe the 300+ wrestling techniques in China? ... Check it out...EDUCATION!" this is an implication of me not knowing those facts, thus "claiming" my post was disproving those facts in some way, which it's not.
dafuki 2 years ago
@Maxi358 Not all of Jujutsu is influenced by Chinese martial arts.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku: True, but most of it is; Chinese Martial Arts is the biggest influence.
Maxi358 1 year ago
@Maxi358 what's the difference between those four divisions
GadGades 1 year ago
@Maxi358 There really should be NO doubt that jujitsu was influenced by Shuai Jiao and Chi Na just as Karate was influenced by other forms of Chinese martial arts and many other aspects of Japanese culture. I find people want to argue this mainly because they think if jujitsu was influenced by Shuai Jiao, that some how makes it less Japanese or less its own martial art. This simply isn't true. That'd be like saying Germany isn't original because it uses the Roman alphabet. Well, my 2 cents.
ShiningFist03 11 months ago
@Maxi358
Hey how is Shuai Jiao? Is it good for self defense on the street and for protecting your self or is it more for sport?
Reido2828 8 months ago
@Maxi358 pft it all comes from india anyway LOL
lagook 8 months ago
@lagook All Chinese martial arts never came from India. Period.
6arcsn1sky 7 months ago 7
@6arcsn1sky This is much older.
elchippe 1 week ago
@elchippe I know.
6arcsn1sky 1 week ago
@Maxi358 thanks for the lesson. now i know what influenced jujitsu.
TheAikidoboy 5 months ago
Or were you replying to EricMCKiller and clicked the reply on my comment? (since I saw it on email lol)
dafuki 2 years ago
Nope, replying to you; you were seemingly yelling at people for no reason. Since I was not aware of your context, nothing you said made sense, lol.
Maxi358 2 years ago
Does anyone know the name of this song?
I find it very interesting.
I am grateful for the help
hugs.
jeffersonjlf 2 years ago
it's called "on the general's orders" but it is not colloquially referred to as "wong fei hung." Named after a historical Chinese actor/doctor/everything else and folk hero. kidna like how a kleenex is now a tissue.
RichardRee 2 years ago
@RichardRee Actually Wong Fei Hung was a traditional doctor, acupuncturist, and a revolutionist against the Qing Dynasty.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
Amazing, Shuai Jiao all the way!
Giggolo4hire 2 years ago
looks very similar to judo...........
zapdos2 2 years ago
i agree but you can tell there different
digdawg299 2 years ago
Yep, this art helped with the creation of jujitsu (in which Chinese Chin Na had a part as well), and we all know Judo came from Jujitsu; In a way, this is the grandfather of judo.
Maxi358 2 years ago 3
yeh this is the predecessor of judo
iLikeDragon 2 years ago
Keep throwing them into the ground, just like bashing a drum!!!
lawofmatthew 2 years ago
"There is no Chinese Style, Japanese Style, or any other style, 'cuz all men have basically 2 arms and 2 legs, so for being a different style they should have 3 arms or 4 legs." -Bruce Lee.
There is no better style, there is Better Fighters. ^_^
robertvoice 2 years ago
That is simply not true. Street fighting could even be called a style and it is certainly not more effective that someone who has formally trained for several years in a serious Martial Art. Also when you put style against style, there have been a lot of cases of the lesser experienced/conditioned fighter winning, simply because their style was more effective than there opponents. Additionally, I seriously doubt Bruce Lee ever used the word 'cuz'!
SlugANDsLIDE 2 years ago
Dude! Watch the "Bruce Lee's Lost Interview" and watch "Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do" Documental, am not faking his words, just study his Philosophy and you will understand what's my point. I just say: It's not the style, is the person.
robertvoice 2 years ago
BJJ have about 20 years of history...
Judo about 100 years of history...
Shuai Jiao over 4000 years of history...
But alot of ppl still being ruled by they nationalist ego, brain-washing UFC/BJJ sales man term TV/Show...
pangyf25250 2 years ago
pangyf, judo and bjj are based off of samurai ju jutsu which is, like shuai jiao, thousands of years old...
chucknorrispranks 2 years ago
I don't get your point. Shuai Jiao also came from somewhere... Mongolian wrestling. Besides, you might like the model T-Ford, but I will take the F-150. Grappling has evolved, and has been improved and refined as time goes on.
marcusorilius 2 years ago
Martial arts was influenced by buddhism thats the jiz of it I know
tiberianexcalibur 2 years ago
I love da comments where if a martial art copys another martial art frm China da keyword is dat martial art "Came" frm China bt da moment its da other way round da keyword changes to "Influenced" lol. Nt sure wat dis argument is achieving Jiu Jitsu may hav b'n influenced by Chinese martial arts wat makes it da art it is is 2day, is what it became when it evolved in Japan. Jiu Jitsu is no more a chinese marial art than BJJ is Judo. No martial art was made without taking something from somewhere.
ScarecrowC 2 years ago
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angryaznman 2 years ago
other facts discredit the monk is that the scroll he supposedly brought that had martial arts in it, was not written by him nor carried by him.
another discredit is the first 2 shaolin monks were already experts in MA, before the creation of shaolin aka before bododharma guy even went to shaolin.
the indian monk legend has been discredited on many accounts.
angryaznman 2 years ago
on the other hand, many japanese judo temple credits Qin Na for jiu jutsu.
even on the gracies site for BJJ acknowledge chinese grappling MMA as source for jiu jutsu.
angryaznman 2 years ago
Not entirely sure what your on about being that part of your comment was removed. However u seem to hav missed my point, I was merely having a laugh at the comments. To b honest it is very hard to tell what principles or techniques came from where, the comments on this pg are a testament where they are not always accurate & bias is high. What gives people the impression that history would be any different to these comments when it was written?
ScarecrowC 2 years ago
lol, i re posted but it didnt go through. anyway i was asking if you meant, chinese say others copy, but in regards to indian monk and shaolin we say "influenced".
so i went on to explain how the indian monk didnt do much.
well one is youtube comment. other is based on martial art historian and other scholarly proofs.
angryaznman 2 years ago
Yeah...... I woulda read your comment but you talk like an 4 year old. Seriously, you should work on that.
farorin 2 years ago
The reason why I dumbed down my comment was so it would fit within the 500 character count. You shouldn't make assumptions like that. Seriously, you should work on that.
ScarecrowC 2 years ago
So? you were still talking like a four year old.
farorin 2 years ago
Followed closely by you acting like one, get a life.
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nimi317 2 years ago
that instructor looks like kim jong il
lol
xxmasxx 2 years ago 9
holy crap i didnt even know about this....
angryaznman 2 years ago
from research
earliest known martial art in the world.
GaryLeeProduction 2 years ago
Shuai Jiao > Qin Na > Jujutsu > Judo > Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
BOORIJINAL 2 years ago 15
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yeahnicoyeah 2 years ago
yes "real wrestling"
nearlnathanearlnearl 2 years ago
@BOORIJINAL : you have the reason
ipoful 1 year ago
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this is copy of Judo !!!!!!!!!
ciccio2k5 2 years ago
wow, r u stupid?
Judo is from Chinese wrestling.
yuzhiboban1697 2 years ago 6
this thing existed before Japan was a nation.
maliciousdoc 2 years ago 7
WOW!!! let me enlighten you. Judo is about 100 something yrs old. Shuai jiao is like 4000 yrs old.
bananabread119 2 years ago 13
@bananabread119 Judo comes from jiujitsu which is as old as the samurai is
mandikum 1 year ago
i do the chinese wrestling and i love it
midousma 2 years ago
Please, what is the name of music?
jeffersonjlf 2 years ago
男 兒 當 自 強
NexusJunisBlue 2 years ago
where can i find info on this?
i am too lazy to look for it myself.
davefaustino 2 years ago
The song was written by the late composer Wong Jim, to the tune of 將軍令, and sung by George Lam.
It was most associated with Wong Fei Hung films.
NexusJunisBlue 2 years ago
Very Good
amuriamaral 2 years ago
Wow
tearo 3 years ago
who know the title of this song?
Ferdibrandissimo 3 years ago 2
The General's Order/Mandate
azrael1315 3 years ago