LOL, I hand it to you Lisper, you continue (but are failing) to scratch and claw your way out of the hole you buried yourself in, but it still doesn't change the fact that you're a know-nothing about football/talent/coaching.
I DO feel confident that this argument is all you have left in your miserable life, so I'm going to chalk this up as another Brewhaman defeat and stop responding to your stupidity.
mike shaw is pretty good. but i expect fitzgerald toussaint to pass him on the depth chart next year. he is 3 inches shorter than shaw, but at the same time, hes 10 pounds heavier. and he is just as fast and probly more elusive than shaw. just look at his highlight vid. he broke his collar bone before the season so RR redshirted him. he should be great in the next 3-4 years
Shaw sucks! He's too small and he is a fumble machine and Kevin Grady should be starting over him. This guy is a bum and never should have been offered a scholarship.
Shaw averaged 5.0 YPC despite battling injuries and running behind an inexperienced, poor o-line. Combine this with the fact that he was a mid level 4 star and runs a sub 4.4 40, and you cannot possibly saw Shaw is shitty. Shaw may have gotten alot of his yards off 3 runs, as Poole1Dan says, but then again, the same can be said about Carlos Brown in 2007, so is Brown shitty as well? of course not! Shaw is a beast. He'll probably be the starting tailback in 2010 and 2011.
@Poole1Dan smh i hope you changed your mind if not the fact that he had the second most touchdown on the hole team behind denard an much less caries than vince.
@TheLILFREE23 But the reason Shaw had much less carries than Vincent Smith is because, once again, Shaw couldn't stay healthy (not to mention Smith was generally more reliable). Furthermore, 3 of his 9 TD runs came against Umass, a 1-AA team, and Shaw was still terrible against the cream of the crop. Shaw is a middling 3rd string quality TB at best, and I have not changed my mind about him. He's got talent, no doubt, but his vision is as bad as it was when he was a True Freshman.
@TheLILFREE23 I'll give you two: Denard Robinson, who had 105 yards rushing on 5.8 YPC (his miserable passing day notwithstanding), and Darryl Stonum, who's been a complete bust otherwise but who's 7 catches for 81 yards in the OSU game top Shaw's 8 carries for 52 yards (most of it on one 39 yard run; he had 7 carries fpr only 13 yards otherwise).
@TheLILFREE23 No, but even if you assume that Shaw's TD run makes up for his badly distorted YPC, he still didn't have as good of a day statistically as Robinson, and probably not Stonum either (neither of those guys had one long run that distorted their yards per carry or yards per catch).
Besides, you're talking one game. Look at shaw's 3 year career: he has yet to establish himself a starter and has been extremely poor when given carries.
@TheLILFREE23 I'm hating on him because he's a 4 star speedy TB who has played like a worthless walkon almost his entire damn career. He's been one of the most bitterly dissapointing tailbacks Michigan has had since probably David Underwood (Kevin Grady doesn't count cause Grady busted up his ACL and missed an entire season; when he returned he clearly wasn't the same). Shaw has NO vision, falls down when he's even poked, and isn't particularly quick. He's a track star, not a tailback
Listen if you hate michigan thats understandable, but why would you say weak ass mike hart. you just worry about your team and their weak ass performances in the big game. Say something smart. Thats like me saying that troy smith was garbage. it makes no sense.
oh, you're so silly....grady couldn't outrun my grandmother, minor fumbles on every other play....since you like to spew out stats, give me a reason that none of the aforementioned three rbs have decent stats after 3 to 4 yrs
Grady proved in 2005 and 2006 that he was a fine substiture. Dickrod could ahve and should ahve utlized grady and made him our Jehuu Caulcrick. But NOOO! he had to give Michael "fumbilities" Shaw all the carries instead. And Minor? He has one career lost fumble (against app state in 2007). way to LIE about Minors hisotry. And BTW, when you consdier the toles they've been in (IE, not starters) all three ahve put up pretty good stats (especially Minor)
ahah, you are contradicting yourself....first you say they are great talents, then say that they did alright as backups....and by the way, grady was not a "fine" substitute in 05 and 06, he was marginal at best....have you ever watched a michigan game? minor literally fumbles at least twice in every game he's played
they ARE great talents. I ain't contradicting myself
"then say that they did alright as backups"
1. they were substitutes, not backups
2. Minor was a BEAST in his half season starting in 2008
3. you do realize almost no substitutes rush for 1000 yards right? reggie Bush was a sub in 2003 and rushed for 500 yards. Is he terrible? No. he was a great player.
I'll say it again: Brown, Minor, and Grady are great talents.
"grady was not a "fine" substitute in 05 and 06, he was marginal at best."
No he wasn't, He ran for 8 TD and over 600 yards in those two seasons, and he was an excellent short yardage specialist. You are clueless
"have you ever watched a michigan game?"
Almost every game dating back to 2001. Have you? You obviously haven't. Minor DOES NOT fumble every two games. He RARELY fumbles. Only has one career lost fumble and only ahs fumbled 2 or 3 other times in his career. you make shit up
i have watched almost every game since 1998, i just don't print off info and study it in my free time to look like a "true" fan like yourself. Minor constantly fumble, at least 4 lost in career, i'm sure there are more
so have i. The first Michigan game I watched was the 20-14 win over Ohio State in 1997, and since then, I've been hooked. And yes, I have indeed studied these games as well by taping them and wathcing them whenever the hell i want. i hacve an unhealthy obsession with Michigan football, and if nothing else, I know much more then you know
Minor does not constantly fumble, adn even if he did, the A-Trainw as no different. Minor is the shit. deal with it
You said 2001 in a previous post. so does that make you a liar? I believe it does. If by knowing much more than me, you mean the history of UM football up until the mid-90's, then you are right. In regards to how the game is played and like subjects, you know little to nothing. It is surprising that a guy who is 19 thinks in terms of a 60 yr old when it comes to football. The 3 yds and a cloud of dust nonsense works no longer. Shaw gets more carries than Minor, mark it down.
"You said 2001 in a previous post. so does that make you a liar?"
No I didn't. Thats just another delusional fantasy on your part.
"The 3 yds and a cloud of dust nonsense works no longer"
I like the spread offense better then the prostyle/3 yards and a cloud of dust offense, but I'm not opposed to the prostyle/3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. Every team in the NFL runs the prostyle as their base offense, and USC and Ohio State (2 the ebst programs in CFB) run the prostyle
You said 2001, but whatever, I'll take your word for it. Anyway, there is a huge difference between prostyle and 3yds and a cloud of dust BigTen crap we had been running under Carr. On the contrary, the best team in the nation is UF, bar none, and they run the spread. Second is up for debate.
Then quit whining about RR. He has Carr's slowass players to run a superior offense. I don't know what you want out of RR, he's not a miracle worker.
We went 3-9. Dickrod deserves to be fired for that. 3-9 at Michigan is unacceptable. there's way too much talent to be that bad. dickrod is a pathetic joke
"He has Carr's slowass players to run a superior offense"
sure they don't have elite speed, but they are better then most of the shit that dickrod recruits. Martavious odoms? Jeremy Gaoon? Michael Shaw? Brandin hawthorne? Teric Jones? What a bnch of losers! dickrod is a joke for recruiting those guys
The best coach on the planet may have won 1 more game than RR.
"What a bnch of losers!"
How do you know before you give them a chance? At least they haven't proven they are losers, like the bulk of the guys Carr has recruited in his last few classes. Call them losers if they prove to be. RIght now, they haven't. I don't see why you would call them that anyway. But then again, according to you nobody who is not a giant can be any good. Jones is the same size as Toussaint, whom you like.
"The best coach on the planet may have won 1 more game than RR"
If we had Carr, we win 8 or 9 games minimum in 2008. Dickrod is just a sad, pathetic lttle joke of a coach. He has acomplished NOTHING in his career. those 2 BCS bowl games at WVU? Big whoop. Its the Big east, Even cincinatti can mke a BCS bowl game being a Big east team. dickrod is a midget compared to Carr
How do we win 8 or 9 when the year prior, we only won 9, and lost, from that team, Henne, Hart, Arrington, Manningham, Long, Kraus, and some decent guys on defense. Our offense in 07 was garbage with those guys, so just imagine it in 08 without them, under Carr. Carr had the unique ability of getting the worst out of his players.
" He has acomplished NOTHING in his career"
Same can be said for Carr, except for 97, when he inherited that team. They could have coached themselves and won it .
"How do we win 8 or 9 when the year prior, we only won 9, and lost, from that team, Henne, Hart, Arrington, Manningham, Long, Kraus, and some decent guys on defense."
same way we won 8 games in 01 after losing Henson, A-Train, Terrell, and 4/5 o-linemen: we RELOAD
"Our offense in 07 was garbage with those guys"
no, it was not garbage. Our offense was really good in 2007, and it would ahve been at least above average under Carr in 2008.
"same way we won 8 games in 01 after losing Henson, A-Train, Terrell, and 4/5 o-linemen: we RELOAD"
Every situation is different. You still didn't answer the question. You just gave me some lame-ass example of something that happened in the past. Try again.
Our offense was garbage. Quit trying to convince me otherwise. You are only trying to convince yourself.
"You just gave me some lame-ass example of something that happened in the past."
history has a habit of repeating itself. We reloaded in 2001, so 2008 should ahve been no different. but it was different. why? Cause in 01 we had a good caoching staff led by Lloyd carr, where as in 2008 we had a shitty coaching staff led by dick fraudriguez. reloading is a very simple term. look it up. All the great teams do it. Ask Ohio State or USC
of course it was. Our coahcing was terrible. what would you expect? This has NOTHING to do with a suppsoed lack of talent. the idea our fofense (or any spot on the team) lacked talent is a laughable myth. Only the dickrod supporters beleive it. you are trying to cover up for dickrod by saying he inherited no talent, when the truth is he inherited tons of talent but did a shitty ass job coaching. Our offensive woes in 08 is clear cut proof of this.
"Carr had the unique ability of getting the worst out of his player"
Carr was certainly an underachiever, but dickrod is much worse. Michigan is in the exact same situation the Detroit Lions were in after the 2000 season: the Lions fired Gary Moeller cause 9-7 wasn't good enough, they hired Mornhiweg so he could make them a playoff power, and the Lions crashed and burned. Suddenly, 9-7 wasn't so bad
Sound familiar? Carr is Moeller, and dickrod is Mornhiweg
RR has had one season. He inherited an absolute mess. See Tom Crean and IU for a like example. Soak it up and learn it. It's that simple. Carr's recruiting since 04 has been an absolute joke, with underachievers, overrated players, and quitters. Your god, Carr, left us in this predicament. Blame him, not RR. IU's troubles are Sampson's fault, not Crean's.
so what? thats enough time to prove himself. Multiple first eyar head coaches had immediate success in year one (Schembechler, Meyer, Stoop,s Spurrier, P. Johnson, Coker, Miles, Beliema, Tommy Bowden, Petersen, Barnett, and Richt come to mind). Dickrod has had his chance, and he has FAILED. He must be fired
"He inherited an absolute mess"
That is a myth. he inherited a very good team, and he fucked it all up.
bullshit example. Michigan football wasn't sacing a scandal like IU basketball was under Kelvin Sampson. Indiana lost 90% of their schiolarship players from the previous season, whereas Michigan returned 90% of their scholarship players. The two situations are incomparable.
"Your god, Carr, left us in this predicament"
Carr didn't leave us in any mess whatsoever. Dickrod turned this program into a mess. for that, he must be fired.
you definitely did not play HS football, and if you did, you were to busy jacking off to the starting QB's girlfriend. If you knew anything about football, you would know that coaching is everything. Nobody can coach themselves. NO ONE. Carr won that 1997 NC. Not Moeller. How many championships has dickrod won? that would be zero. he had a chance in 2007 against pitt and BLEW IT. dickrod sucks balls
"you were to busy jacking off to the starting QB's girlfriend"
Seriously? We aren't in middle school. My point was that anyone could have coached the 97 team to a championship. And it's true. ANd you did play HS football? Have you ever even shaved your face before? Have your balls dropped yet?
"My point was that anyone could have coached the 97 team to a championship"
fair enough. by the same token, anybody could ahve led West Virginia to three straight 11 win seasons when they ahve Pat White and Steve Slaton, especially when they are in a shitty ass conference like the big East. fair's fair
"ANd you did play HS football? "
yeah, for 3 seasons (2004, 2005, 2006). And unlike you, I payed attention to what the coaches were saying and what was going on
yes. I shave it everyday. Otherwise O get these annoying little hiars on my that make me itch liek crazy. Like it or not, i'm 19 years old, and I'm a helluva lot smarter when it coems to Michigan football and football in general then you are
"Have your balls dropped yet?"
yes I ahve. have you had a wet dream yet? you're such a douchebag.
"How do you know before you give them a chance? "
I don't. I'm judging them based on the history of tiny guys like them. And hisotry shows that the far majority of these guys will be busts. Odoms and Shaw have already proven to be terrible. Odds are dickrods other tiny recruits will follow suit. But I hope they prove me wrong
"Jones is the same size as Toussaint, whom you like. "
Fitz is a rare uber-athlete. Jones is not. end of story
"And hisotry shows that the far majority of these guys will be busts"
This is simply not the truth. I do not feel the need to expound on it any further.
"Odoms and Shaw have already proven to be terrible"
Odoms led the team in rec and rec yd. Shaw had more yds and tds than Carlos.
"Fitz is a rare uber-athlete"
So what? So was mcguffie, who transferred to RIce because he couldn't handle the BigTen (a flaccid conf). BTW, uber is a gay word. I recommend never using it again.
Once again, we get the default excuse. "It means nothing." Not even why it means nothing, just "it means nothing." I don't buy it. You're going to have to do better than that. I could say the same thing for why Carr had more wins in 07 than RR did in 08. Would you buy it? Of course not.
You are a hypocrite. You say Fitz is small, but will be good, when you said many times before that small players cannot be good. HYPOCRITE.
I have explained multiple times why it means nothing. Go back and read my posts. I will not beat on a dead horse just cause you on't have any reading comprehension skills
"You say Fitz is small, but will be good"
Toussaint is an uber-athlete, much like Noel Devine or Styeve Smith. Thats why I think he wull be successful. I could be wrong. Toussaint could become a bust. But I think he's good enough to overcome his lack of size, unlike most other tiny guys
"you said many times before that small players cannot be good."
and I've also said multiple times that if you are like tousaaint and have exceptional skills, then you can overcome your lack of size. This is usually not the case, of course, but the bottom line here is it can happen. I think Michigan has got themselves an uber-athlete in Toussaint, whereas Gallon, Odoms, Jopnes, Smith, and Robinson are not uber-athletes. We'll see how Fitz does once he gets on the field.
"So was mcguffie, who transferred to RIce because he couldn't handle the BigTen "
and what the hell do you think is gonig to happen to practically all the other tiny recruits like mcGuffie? They aren't going to be able to handle the Big ten either. they are gonig to be BUSTS. These litle guys are garbage. Michigan will not become a powerhouse by stacking up on little guys and expecting them to be playmakers and gamebreakers. dickrod is such a stupid fucktard
way to take what I said out of context. I've made myself very clear: most of these tiny guys will not become good football players. they will be marginal contributors at best. But there are ezceptions to every rule. In this case, if you ahve exceptional speed, vision, and athleticism, you can be a good football player in spite of your tiny frame. Steve Smith and Barry sanders are the best examples of this.
I shouldn't ahve said 'like McGuffie' in the last post. that was a bad mistake on my part. I wasn't trying to refer to mcGuffie specifically. Sam is indeed an uber-talent, and I think he will be a superstar at rice and would ahve been a superstar had he stayed at Michigan. I was referring to little guys in general. You had said McGuffie couldn't handle the big ten, and I'm saying the FAR MAJORITY of tiny guys won't be able to handle the Big ten
"BTW, uber is a gay word. I recommend never using it again."
1. you are a closet homosexual
2. I'll say whatever the fuck I want to say
3. I recommend you stop obsessing over a 19 year old teenager on youtube. Its creepy, especially considering you are gay. You start an argument with me on every video, and after i waste you and destroy all your arguments, you move on to the next video. You are such a little creep
Ooooh, we have an internet badass, albeit one who has yet to sprout chest hair.
As for your 3), it goes both ways. I don't even know hos to respond to you thinking you destroy my arguments. Get an education kid. That's all I have to say. That's all I will ever have to your arguments. I am educated, you aren't. Deal with it.
I'm not a badass. I just hate it when people try to regulate free speech. thank God you are not a youtube board memebr or something to that effect. This is a public forum. the 1st amendment applies in public forums
"As for your 3), it goes both ways."
I don't obsess over you. I don't start arguments with you. I will respond to anything you say to me, but i don't start shit woth you or anybody else. i'm not like that
again, i like the spread offense better then the prostyle, but if you think the prostyle/3 yards and a cloud of dust offense is a thing of the past, you are dead wrong. You obviously haven't been watching much football (college or NFL) if you think the prostyle is in the past.
Prostyle is not the same as 3yds and a cloud of dust. I never brought the NFL into the argument, you did. I couldn't care less what the NFL does, because it is totally irrelevant to the argument. Basically, under Carr, we did this: first down, run up middle, 3 yds. 2nd down, run up middle, 2 yds. 3rd down, stupid pass, sometimes complete, sometimes not. In the end, this didn't work, because our accomplishments in the past 10 yrs wouldn't even rank in the top 20 including all div 1a teams.
"Prostyle is not the same as 3yds and a cloud of dust."
Oh please. have you ever listened to your own dickrod supporters? They ahve criticized the prostyle as a 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. Multiple commentators on ESPN and CBS and Fox liken the prostyle to a 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. you can't seperate the two. its impossible.
"USC doesn't do 3yd and a cloud of dust, nor does OSU, and they run prostyle"
yes they do. watch them play. the fact is, the prostyle/three yards and a cloud of sust/whatever you want to call it is a succssful offense of you mix up the playcalling and get creative like USC and Ohio state do. Carr was too bland.
"I couldn't care less what the NFL does, because it is totally irrelevant to the argument"
I bought up the NFL cause you were criticing the prostyle offense and the players needed to make a prostyle offense good (like the A-Train). I'm telling you that if the prostyle/3 yards and a cloud of dust offense is so bad, why does every pro team use it?
Does UM play pro teams? NO. Does any college team play pro teams? NO. It is irrelevant what the NFL does. In college, the spread is the future, what does the NFL have to do with that? NOTHING. So shut your hole and know your place.
the NFL is a more advanced level then college football. Anythnig that works in the NFL works in college football as well. Oh, and did i mention many college teams (including some of the most successful teams) run the prostyle? Its not a bad offense. its actually a rreally good offense.
"Anythnig that works in the NFL works in college football as well"
I don't see how you came up with this assumption. That is perhaps the worst and least logical assumption I have ever heard. The prostyle can be good, but the spread is better. A good spread offense trumps a good prostyle offense any day in college. Don't care about the NFL. Never mention it again.
"I don't see how you came up with this assumption"
It's simple logic: if something works at the NFL, which is a more advanced level of football then college, then it will work at the college level as well. In the Amerian economy, the most successful small businesses often adapt the tactics big businesses use in order to become sucessful. Its the same thnig with football. if you can't see this logic, thats your problem.
Once again, you are wrong. Just because it may work in the NFL, doesn't mean it will work in college. Who taught you economics? You should go kill them and get a refund.
"Just because it may work in the NFL, doesn't mean it will work in college."
yes, it does. Its called the "trickle down effect." Put it another way: something that works at level 5 will also work at level 1. want any more analogies? Like i said, this is all basic common sense
"Who taught you economics?"
I've been taught economics by various libertarian capitalists. FWIW
"yes, it does. Its called the "trickle down effect."
Nope. Not in this case. Nice try though. It was cute seeing you try to use the edumacation yous got in yer big town.
"I've been taught economics by various libertarian capitalists"
I take it I am supposed to be impressed. Considering your HS and college, I don't care who taught you, because both your HS and college are crap. Little podunk boy, you can't keep up with me. Cute to see you try though.
I'm not trying to impress you. you asked where I leanred economics, and I gave you an answer. whether you like the answer or not is not my problem. I will say this however: I trust the libertarian capitalists who taught me more then I trust you
but dickrods version of the spread (the spread option) is not the future. the spread option is just an offshoot of the veer and the wing-T. Its an outdated, pathetic offense that Big ten defenses (and any defenses that are remotely good) will snuff out and destroy. Dickrod will be gone sooner or later. at best Michigan will be a 7-5 or 8-4 team under him
The spread option is superior to the spread in every way. You clearly do not understand how it works. RR's WV teams raped people with the spread option. I don't care if they were in the BigEast, because they won their bowl games against nonBigEast opponents. And WVU accomplished more under RR while he was there thanCarr has in the past....well, since 1997. RR will be winning natl championships sooner or later, and you will have to renounce being a UM fan once he does. You are a bad fan.
"The spread option is superior to the spread in every way"
ROFLMFAO. The spread option is like the ninja in indiana Jones, who slings his sword every which way and shows Harrison Ford a thousand different ways in which to slice up his opponent. But then Harrison Ford just takes out his gun and kills the ninja with one shot.
Th ninja is the spread option, and H. Ford is Big ten defenses. the spread option will be DESTROYED by big ten defenses (and any other good defense)
Worst analogy ever. I don't even know how to respond to such stupidity. I am at a loss for words. I am used to arguing with people who have at least a little intellect. try again.
good. I've used that anaology to shut up many dickrod supporters in the past. You're my latest victim. You can't respond to that analogy, because its the truth. The spread option is a joke. Its a pussy ass offense. It is a sad attempt to bring back the "magic magician" days of Fritz Crislers teams in the late 1940's. But football has evolved from the smoke and mirros era. Now its a matter of who punches their opponent in the mouth harder.
the spread option is a version of the spread offense that utilzies the shotgun to forge a powerful ground attack. Rich Rodriguez invented the spread option at Glenville state in the early 1990's. Its an offense that emphasizes speed and quickness. Size is not a priority in a spread option offense. The QB must have the ability to run. The plays themselves are classic smoke and mirros: triple option, speed option, zone read, bootlegs......
.......QB draws, bubble screens, and TB sweeps. Thats the spread option in a nutshell. The name itself is derived from the fact that it is an option based offense, only the QB, TB, and receivers operate out of the gun as opposed to a Wing formation or the I-Form that Nebraska used under Tom Osbourn. Hence the name "spread option."
My HS team has run it for the past 4 seasons, including when I was on the varsity team in 2006. Its a good offense at the HS level, but then again, so is the Wing-T and the veer. We had wing-T players going into the 05 season, and we had been ruinning the wing-t for over a decade. So, we went to the spread option in 05 in order to make the offense more dynamic, and we have beeen using it ever since.
I don't think you know how it works. If you did, you would think it is pure genius, which it is, esp with Denard, who is undersized at QB, so he must suck. Too bad he isn't 7-0, 450lb of solid muscle with a 2.3 40 time and a 1500lb bench.
You thought wrong. I know how it works. See, unlike you, I was actually paying attention to what the coaches were saying and what was going on when I was on the varsity team. The spread option is a smoke and mirros offense, and the smoke and mirros era in college is OVER. its been over for a long time now.
Fire away, what is it. And don't try to put it back on me and say that you will not explain it because I don't know what it is. TELL ME WHAT THE SPREAD OPTION IS
The spread option is only "genius" in the sense that its exciting to watch a ninja fling his sword every which way. But ultimtiely, all the sword flinging is nothing but showboating. It doesn't actually result in the enemy being killed, or even wounded (ask Indian Jones). You watch. dickrod will stack the team with his players, and his offense will just spin its wheels fruitlessly, and dickod will scratch his head wondering WTF is gonig on. And sooner or later, dickrod will be fired.
"his offense will just spin its wheels fruitlessly"
Like at WV, right? Now you say "the BigEast is crap." Now I say, "the Big10 is just a hair better.Picture this: the WV offense on horse steroids.He wasn't able to recruit the players at WV that he could at UM. The sky is the limit here. I can't believe that you can't see that. His offense will be unstoppable, and you will no longer be considered a UM fan. You are a terrible fan, wishing bad things upon our coach just to make you look right.
The wing-T would ahve worked at WVU. especially whren you got White and Slaton running the show. This is the Big ten. its a helluva lot better then the big east
"Now I say, "the Big10 is just a hair better."
the quality of teams in the big ten far exceeds those in the big east.. The big ten has one pwoerhouse, the big east has none. the big ten has 3 consistently good teams, the big east has none,. the big ten has only one horrible team, the big east has 5.
"You are a terrible fan, wishing bad things upon our coach just to make you look right."
I PREDICT that dickrod will fail, yes. But I WANT him to succeed, and succeed as much as you say he will succeed. Can you imagine the state of Michigan football if my prediction comes to frution and dickrod fails? Thats a frightening thought...much more frightening then me being wrong. If I'm wrong, its my ass. If I'm right, its every Michigan fans ass. Dickrod had BETTER suceed!!
Nice try kid. Size is extremely important, except when it hurts your argument. I don't buy it. Your arguments have more holes than Swiss cheese. Size doesn't matter period. See Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Steve Smith. They weren't good because they were small, they were good because they had talent. Braylon was good because he has talent, not because he is big. Size means nothing. Get it through your uneducated skull.
My point here is that I know frome xperience that the spread option is just an offshoot of the wing-T. It's a good offense to use in HS, but at the college level? Forget about it! Its a joke of an offense at the college level
"WV teams raped people with the spread option"
oh wow. they raped big wast teams!! Big whoop! They could ahve run the wing-t and raped big east teams, especially considering they had Pat White and steve Slaton.
the spread option is a shitty offense. deal with it
You make fun of the BigEast as if the BigTen is any better. The BigTen is one tiny notch above the BigEast. Both are a joke. You make yourself look like a fool. Slaton is tiny, so he must suck, right? But he is a supersilly uber-athlete, right?
"the spread option is a shitty offense. deal with it "
Regardless of what you think, that's what we will be running under RR. You DEAL WITH IT!!!!! hhhaa, we are running a bad offense and there is nothing you can do about it.
"You make fun of the BigEast as if the BigTen is any better"
the Big ten is a trillion times better then the Big East. Ohio State is a national powerhouse. Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan consistently win 8-10 games a year. Iowa, Minnesota, and purdue all are good teams (most of the time, anyways). Michigan State, Illinois, and NW aren't good, but they aren't bad like most big east teams are. Only indiana is a consistently bad Big Ten football team......
"the Big ten is a trillion times better then the Big East"
Seriously, it's "than." They are better THAN, not THEN. That is pissing me off, and making you look more stupid than you already are. Go see what commentators and sports mags said about the B10 in 08. It's not pretty. The B10 isn't regarded by fans of other conferences as any less of a joke than the BE. Accept that fact. It is sad, but true. BTW, RRs WV teams stomp any B10 team of the past 7 yrs.
"Go see what commentators and sports mags said about the B10 in 08"
I admit that comapring the big ten and the big east is like comapring two midgets. The Big ten is definitely not the same powerhouse conference it used to be back in the 70's and 80's. My argument here is that the big ten is much better then the big east, not that the big ten itself is actually good like the SEC and Big 12
...on the other hand, the Big east is a JOKE. Syracuse, Cincy (until the 08 season), Rutgers, Louisville, and South Florida are all terrible. Yes, I said your Cardinals are terrible. they had one fluke season in 06. ohterwise, they've been garbage since they arrived in the Big east from conference USA. Pitt, Uconn, and West Virginia are all mediocre. The Big east has absoluely no pwoerhouses whatsoever, and most of their teams are awful.
We were bad in 08, and it's not like UM wasn't bad. In fact, MY cardinals would have stomped UM last year, and Kragthorpe is the worst coach ever. You are right that the BE has no powerhouses, but the B10 has 1, OSU. Without OSU, the B10 is easily worse than the BE. The BE had a down year last year. UL, Pitt, WV, USF, will all be better. The BE also has 3 less teams.
"and most of their teams are awful. "
Same can be said for the B10. B10 is just barely better then the BE
"Without OSU, the B10 is easily worse than the BE. The BE had a down year last year."
I would contend that even without OSU, the Big ten is still better cause we got three good teams at the top (Michigan, Wisky, Penn State) and only one bad team at the bottom (Indy) whereas West Virginia has 3 medicore teams and 5 horrible teams.
slaton is over 200 pounds. he's not tiny. not even close. he's undersized at the very worst. Try again baby boy (seriously, if I'm a kid, then you are a 2 year old)
"Regardless of what you think, that's what we will be running under RR"
Oh yes. i know we will be running this shit udner dickrod. Hence one of the many reasons why I'm ranting and raving on many Michigan videos here on youtube
Did you just call me "baby boy?" Doesn't get any gayer than that.
"Hence one of the many reasons why I'm ranting and raving on many Michigan videos here on youtube "
No, you are an attention whore, and you want people to notice you an think you are smart. You are unhappy about the 08 season, and look for someone to blame. You want others to join you, but it's not happening, except for a few morons. It takes more than 1 season to turn a train wreck around.
"because they won their bowl games against nonBigEast opponents"
wrong again. dickrod's record in bowl games at WVU was 2-3, and both those bowl wins came when he had White and Slaton. In 02, 03, and 04, his teams got RAPED in their bowl games. dickrod did NOTHING at WVU
"And WVU accomplished more under RR while he was there thanCarr has in the past....well, since 1997"
one look at the season record of WVU and Michigan completely discredits this argument
Do the games not count because he had white and slaton? It's not like he developed them from unheralded barely 3star guys. Oh wait, he did.
"one look at the season record of WVU and Michigan completely discredits this argument "
Which season? My statement is still true. We did nothing under Carr except 97, which is the prior coaches team. Carr has done NOTHING, yet you venerate him like a god.
"Do the games not count because he had white and slaton?"
Oh they count. I'm just saying that dickrod didn't do shit until he got extremely lucky by stumbling upon two legends in White and Slaton. any coach could ahve won lots of football games with those guys runnnig their offense, especially if their team is in the Big east
"got extremely lucky by stumbling upon two legends in White and Slaton"
Nice try. He found them out of nowhere. They wer barely 3 star guys. He developed them, not that clown Stewart, who did horrible with White and Devine. TSN gave Stewart an F as a head coach last year. Don't even try to give him credit for anything.
"especially if their team is in the Big east "
BigEast fans could say the same thing about the Big10, and we do. The Big10 is a complete joke.
"He developed them, not that clown Stewart, who did horrible with White and Devine"
if Stewart had won 11 games this season, you prtobably would ahve said he won with dickrods players. C'mon man, your putting Stewart in a no win situation. He was the one who got White and slaton into the program, and although dickrod certainly desrerves sme credit for developing them, so does Stewart (and calvin magee, for that matter). white and slatons were not necessarily dickrods work
"Stewart an F as a head coach last year. Don't even try to give him credit for anything"
Thats just wrong. WVU never had NC talent last season. White and Devine were the only really good players on the team. When fucknig Jock Sanders is your leading receiver, you know the teasm is not NC caliber. Stewart maxed out the potential of the 08 mountaineeers, wich was about 8 or 9 wins
" It's not like he developed them from unheralded barely 3star guys. Oh wait, he did"
actually, it was Bill Stewart who recruited them and developed them. Remember that 48-28 win over oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl? Thats Bill Stewart right there. I'll admit that dickrod played a role in developing those guys, but the role was minimal. Stewart deserves most of the credit for coaching those guys up, not dickrod
" it was Bill Stewart who recruited them and developed them"
Oh yeah? Ok, that's exactly the excuse I would say when I would try to divert credit from someone I hate. Nice try. WV sucked with Stewart as coach, and that's with White and Devine. Nice try. You can't salvage this one. You lose on this one, might as well admit it and not make yourself look stupid with further arguing. I could say the 97 championship was all the OC, not Carr. Don't buy it, do you?
"Ok, that's exactly the excuse I would say when I would try to divert credit from someone I hate"
I shouldn't have aaid stewart gets all the credit. that was unfair bias on my part. sorry. I admit Rodriguez deserves some credit for developing them. im just syaing its not all dickrods doing. Stewart had a big part in that as well
"I could say the 97 championship was all the OC, not Carr"
It is fair to say Mike Debord deserves a helluva lot of credit for that 97 NC run.
2001: Michigan went 8-4, WVU went 3-8. edge: Michigan
2002: Michigan went 10-3, WVU went 9-4. edge: Michigan
2003: Michigan went 10-3, WVU went 8-5. Edge: Michigan
2004: Michigan went 9-3, WVU went 8-4. edge: Michigan
2006: both teams went 11-2, and Michigan gets the tie breaker cause they were in a much tougher conference and had the nations 2nd toughest schedule behind Florida
Both teams sucked in 01, RRs first year. 02 is a push, both were mediocre. Same for 03. Same for 04. Nice try with 06. Carr gets no tiebreaker for being in a "better" conference. The Big10 is a joke, you are the only person to think otherwise. The Big10 is just barely better than the BigEast, thank OSU for that. Take OSU out of the big10, and the BigEast is better. The only good teams we played in 06 were OSU and USC, both beat us easily. Smoke some more meth.
nope. I just proved that your statement was yet another LIE from a pathological liar. Michigan has been better then West Virginia practially every season under Carr, and thats despite the fact they've faced much stiffer compeititon. Like I said: dickrod is a runt compared to Carr
"Carr has done NOTHING, yet you venerate him like a god."
Carr's 111-40 career record speaks for itself, as does his national championship season. Carr>>>>>>>dickrod
"Michigan has been better then West Virginia practially every season under Carr"
No, you are not right. RR made WV a powerhouse. No RR, and WV sucked in 08, despite having White and Devine, both "uber-talents."
"Carr's 111-40 career record speaks for itself"
Speaks for mediocrity. Nothing more. Natl championship season was inheriting a great team. Any person, you included, could have coached them to a natl championship.
When this happens, you will have to renounce your fanhood, and pick another team. You are the prototypical "bad fan." You think you are right all the time, yet you are just a snot nosed 19 yr old. You know nothing compared to these guys. The tide will turn, and you will have to renounce being a UM fan. You embarass UM, and all of it's fans. Stay in school and don't procreate.
Either. We were decidedly mediocre under Carr. Blame him for our troubles now. He left RR very little to work with. 90% of our best players are first and second year players, and not coincidentally, those are the guys RR recruited. Learn it, love it or not, I don't care. Deal with it.
Decent record, not elite. Top 20 finishes are for losers. Top 15 finishes are for losers. Top 10 finishes are for losers. January bowl games mean nothing anymore. 4 BCS games in 10 yrs is weak. 1 BCS win in 10 yrs is pathetic. Who in the BigTen hasn't had multiple all BigTen players in the past 10 yrs? Several all-americans in ten years has been done by everyone as well. Congratulations, you just proved our mediocrity. Nice try though.
if a 93-34 record over a ten year span is decent, then there's not a single dynasty in the hisotry of college who has been good over a 10 year span. none. Like i said, your expectations are rediculosly high. They can't be taken seriously
"Top 20 finishes are for losers. Top 15 finishes are for losers. Top 10 finishes are for losers"
you must be really depressed being such a perfectionist. i'd hate to be you.
93-34 in ten years is 3.4 losses per season. Not good.
"you must be really depressed being such a perfectionist. i'd hate to be you. "
Why would you hate to be an educated person who will be rich in the near future? You should be depressed, coming from your pitiful podunk town, and your obvious lack of an education. Do you even have a chest hair? You are a BOY, shut your hole and speak only when spoken to.
"93-34 in ten years is 3.4 losses per season. Not good"
3.4 losses is not good? Michigan has averaged practically 10 wins a season over the last decade, and thats not good? You just furhte rprove that your expectations are too high for them to ahve any credibility. the fact is, Michigan has been really good in the last decade, just not as good they should be
"Why would you hate to be an educated person who will be rich in the near future?"
money and education mean nothing to me if they come with depression and sadness. I'd rather be poor and happy then rich and depressed. I'm a physchological guy, not a materialistic guy
nope. And i'm proud of it. Women hate chest hair. Sonny, you are truly a dinasour. First you think a smoke and mirros offense still works in football, then you think chest hair is sexy. I'm guessing you think fuedalism is the best economic system? get with the times pal!
"shut your hole and speak only when spoken to"
there's another example of you being a dinasour. Monarchy is dead. its been dead for over a century. welcome to the free speech era (:
"nope. And i'm proud of it. Women hate chest hair"
You don't, but it's not be choice. And some women like their men to actually look like men, not like prepubescent boys.
"Monarchy is dead. its been dead for over a century"
Really, I must have missed that one while I was riding my dinosaur with my hairy ass showing to the Queen and her knights. Don't lecture me, you are an uneducated redneck. There is nothing you know that I don't.
I cannot reiterate enough how weak winning one BCS game in ten years is. All 11 teams in the BigTen have had multiple first teamers in past ten years. look it up. Once again, tons of teams have had several all-americans in the past ten yrs. You look it up, it's the truth.
"I cannot reiterate enough how weak winning one BCS game in ten years is."
bloody hell. Only 19 other teams out of 119 have won a BCS Bowl game.
Michigan is in an elite class having one even just one BCS bowl game.
"All 11 teams in the BigTen have had multiple first teamers in past ten years. "
no, they have not. do the research yourself. I've looked it up, and the fact is, only PSU, U-M, OSU, and Wisky have had multple 1st teamsers the last ten seasons
"tons of teams have had several all-americans in the past ten yrs."
nope. only about 9 other twams have had multiple 1st team AA's over the past ten seasons. Michigan is in an elite class in the AA category as well. That is the truth
"Way more than 9, nice try" those nine teams are: -Michigan -Ohio State -Florida -Miami -USC -Oklahoma -Texas -Florida State -Georgia There might be a couple other schools I am missing, but the bottom line is, Michigan is in an elite clas as far as # of AA goes
no. i proved that we have been one of the best teams in college football over the last ten seasons. of course, if you view colelge football as a battle of the midgets, then I suppose none of this means anything to you. And you probably do think that not a single team has been good over the last ten years. Your perfectionist standards would allow for no other conclusion. You're a joke
Wow. If we were one of the best teams in the past ten years, what does that make the 20+ teams that have done more than us? You are not trying to convince me that we were good, you are trying to convince yourself.
" You're a joke "
If I am a joke, thendoes that make you a pre-pubescent-looking uneducated redneck from a crap-town?
OMG, I didn't kow that I was black!
(We have the same first and last name)
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Mcsniklefritz 1 year ago
LOL, I hand it to you Lisper, you continue (but are failing) to scratch and claw your way out of the hole you buried yourself in, but it still doesn't change the fact that you're a know-nothing about football/talent/coaching.
I DO feel confident that this argument is all you have left in your miserable life, so I'm going to chalk this up as another Brewhaman defeat and stop responding to your stupidity.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
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Brewhaman 1 year ago
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@Poopee1Fan:
"I could play the 'senior year' card if he does poorly"
Right, like you could use the "I wasn't taking my meds" card for every other stupid opinion you've laid out?
This is where you show you are just a bandwagon fan, you only shut the fuck up when you're getting what you feel Michigan owes you. Pathetic fanhood!
"then ask others for it."
Fuck that, I blocked you for a reason laddy buck.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
mike shaw is pretty good. but i expect fitzgerald toussaint to pass him on the depth chart next year. he is 3 inches shorter than shaw, but at the same time, hes 10 pounds heavier. and he is just as fast and probly more elusive than shaw. just look at his highlight vid. he broke his collar bone before the season so RR redshirted him. he should be great in the next 3-4 years
wolverinefan24 2 years ago
Shaw sucks! He's too small and he is a fumble machine and Kevin Grady should be starting over him. This guy is a bum and never should have been offered a scholarship.
Go Blue!
WithExtremePrejudice 2 years ago
I excited to see Michael this year and see how much bigger and stronger he is.
He should have a great year, along with the other RB's
Go Blue!
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GamblerLV 2 years ago
Shaw averaged 5.0 YPC despite battling injuries and running behind an inexperienced, poor o-line. Combine this with the fact that he was a mid level 4 star and runs a sub 4.4 40, and you cannot possibly saw Shaw is shitty. Shaw may have gotten alot of his yards off 3 runs, as Poole1Dan says, but then again, the same can be said about Carlos Brown in 2007, so is Brown shitty as well? of course not! Shaw is a beast. He'll probably be the starting tailback in 2010 and 2011.
Go Blue!
wolverineboss 2 years ago 3
Wow, just under 50% of the posts on this video are DoofisDans bullshit....seroiusly, give it up already bandwagon fan!
Brewhaman 3 years ago
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carlu96 3 years ago
Mike Shaw stinks. He remind me of that weak ass Mike Hart. GO BUCKS!!
Corde937 3 years ago
Yeah, Shaw is garbage. I say let Penn State have him.
Go Blue! Have fun when your Fuckeyes win 5 in a row against us. ):
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
your a clown
bignate190 3 years ago
right. whatever. If one of our players-in this case, Michael Shaw-plays like shit, i'm gonig to call his ass out on it
Go blue
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
@Poole1Dan smh i hope you changed your mind if not the fact that he had the second most touchdown on the hole team behind denard an much less caries than vince.
TheLILFREE23 6 months ago
@TheLILFREE23 But the reason Shaw had much less carries than Vincent Smith is because, once again, Shaw couldn't stay healthy (not to mention Smith was generally more reliable). Furthermore, 3 of his 9 TD runs came against Umass, a 1-AA team, and Shaw was still terrible against the cream of the crop. Shaw is a middling 3rd string quality TB at best, and I have not changed my mind about him. He's got talent, no doubt, but his vision is as bad as it was when he was a True Freshman.
Poole1Dan 6 months ago
@Poole1Dan can you do me a favor and name a player that did better than him in the ohio state game
TheLILFREE23 6 months ago
@TheLILFREE23 I'll give you two: Denard Robinson, who had 105 yards rushing on 5.8 YPC (his miserable passing day notwithstanding), and Darryl Stonum, who's been a complete bust otherwise but who's 7 catches for 81 yards in the OSU game top Shaw's 8 carries for 52 yards (most of it on one 39 yard run; he had 7 carries fpr only 13 yards otherwise).
Poole1Dan 6 months ago
@Poole1Dan did they score
TheLILFREE23 6 months ago
@TheLILFREE23 No, but even if you assume that Shaw's TD run makes up for his badly distorted YPC, he still didn't have as good of a day statistically as Robinson, and probably not Stonum either (neither of those guys had one long run that distorted their yards per carry or yards per catch).
Besides, you're talking one game. Look at shaw's 3 year career: he has yet to establish himself a starter and has been extremely poor when given carries.
Poole1Dan 6 months ago
@Poole1Dan why are you hating on him did he not sign a autograph for you or some thing
TheLILFREE23 6 months ago
@TheLILFREE23 I'm hating on him because he's a 4 star speedy TB who has played like a worthless walkon almost his entire damn career. He's been one of the most bitterly dissapointing tailbacks Michigan has had since probably David Underwood (Kevin Grady doesn't count cause Grady busted up his ACL and missed an entire season; when he returned he clearly wasn't the same). Shaw has NO vision, falls down when he's even poked, and isn't particularly quick. He's a track star, not a tailback
Poole1Dan 6 months ago
Listen if you hate michigan thats understandable, but why would you say weak ass mike hart. you just worry about your team and their weak ass performances in the big game. Say something smart. Thats like me saying that troy smith was garbage. it makes no sense.
hogeboon19 3 years ago
not really that impressive
Kebbles90 3 years ago
agreed. he's got good speed, but otherwise, he's ovverated. i'm in disbeleif that this guys' getting mroe carries then Carlos Brown or Brandon Minor
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
carlos brown and minor are garbage, the future is shaw, touissant, and jones....speed kills ask oklahoma
cardfanman1 3 years ago
Right. You just proved you know nothing about football with this line. fuck you
Go Blue
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
oh, you're so silly....grady couldn't outrun my grandmother, minor fumbles on every other play....since you like to spew out stats, give me a reason that none of the aforementioned three rbs have decent stats after 3 to 4 yrs
cardfanman1 3 years ago
Grady proved in 2005 and 2006 that he was a fine substiture. Dickrod could ahve and should ahve utlized grady and made him our Jehuu Caulcrick. But NOOO! he had to give Michael "fumbilities" Shaw all the carries instead. And Minor? He has one career lost fumble (against app state in 2007). way to LIE about Minors hisotry. And BTW, when you consdier the toles they've been in (IE, not starters) all three ahve put up pretty good stats (especially Minor)
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
ahah, you are contradicting yourself....first you say they are great talents, then say that they did alright as backups....and by the way, grady was not a "fine" substitute in 05 and 06, he was marginal at best....have you ever watched a michigan game? minor literally fumbles at least twice in every game he's played
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"first you say they are great talents"
they ARE great talents. I ain't contradicting myself
"then say that they did alright as backups"
1. they were substitutes, not backups
2. Minor was a BEAST in his half season starting in 2008
3. you do realize almost no substitutes rush for 1000 yards right? reggie Bush was a sub in 2003 and rushed for 500 yards. Is he terrible? No. he was a great player.
I'll say it again: Brown, Minor, and Grady are great talents.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"grady was not a "fine" substitute in 05 and 06, he was marginal at best."
No he wasn't, He ran for 8 TD and over 600 yards in those two seasons, and he was an excellent short yardage specialist. You are clueless
"have you ever watched a michigan game?"
Almost every game dating back to 2001. Have you? You obviously haven't. Minor DOES NOT fumble every two games. He RARELY fumbles. Only has one career lost fumble and only ahs fumbled 2 or 3 other times in his career. you make shit up
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
i have watched almost every game since 1998, i just don't print off info and study it in my free time to look like a "true" fan like yourself. Minor constantly fumble, at least 4 lost in career, i'm sure there are more
cardfanman1 3 years ago
so have i. The first Michigan game I watched was the 20-14 win over Ohio State in 1997, and since then, I've been hooked. And yes, I have indeed studied these games as well by taping them and wathcing them whenever the hell i want. i hacve an unhealthy obsession with Michigan football, and if nothing else, I know much more then you know
Minor does not constantly fumble, adn even if he did, the A-Trainw as no different. Minor is the shit. deal with it
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
You said 2001 in a previous post. so does that make you a liar? I believe it does. If by knowing much more than me, you mean the history of UM football up until the mid-90's, then you are right. In regards to how the game is played and like subjects, you know little to nothing. It is surprising that a guy who is 19 thinks in terms of a 60 yr old when it comes to football. The 3 yds and a cloud of dust nonsense works no longer. Shaw gets more carries than Minor, mark it down.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"You said 2001 in a previous post. so does that make you a liar?"
No I didn't. Thats just another delusional fantasy on your part.
"The 3 yds and a cloud of dust nonsense works no longer"
I like the spread offense better then the prostyle/3 yards and a cloud of dust offense, but I'm not opposed to the prostyle/3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. Every team in the NFL runs the prostyle as their base offense, and USC and Ohio State (2 the ebst programs in CFB) run the prostyle
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
You said 2001, but whatever, I'll take your word for it. Anyway, there is a huge difference between prostyle and 3yds and a cloud of dust BigTen crap we had been running under Carr. On the contrary, the best team in the nation is UF, bar none, and they run the spread. Second is up for debate.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
", there is a huge difference between prostyle and 3yds and a cloud of dust BigTen crap we had been running under Carr. "
we ran the prostyle under Carr, and unfortunately, Carr's particular version of the prostyle was way to bland and predictable
"On the contrary, the best team in the nation is UF, bar none, and they run the spread"
Yep. you can't read. I said that I'd take the spread offense over the prostyle. your slamming your head into a wall right now.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Then quit whining about RR. He has Carr's slowass players to run a superior offense. I don't know what you want out of RR, he's not a miracle worker.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Then quit whining about RR"
We went 3-9. Dickrod deserves to be fired for that. 3-9 at Michigan is unacceptable. there's way too much talent to be that bad. dickrod is a pathetic joke
"He has Carr's slowass players to run a superior offense"
sure they don't have elite speed, but they are better then most of the shit that dickrod recruits. Martavious odoms? Jeremy Gaoon? Michael Shaw? Brandin hawthorne? Teric Jones? What a bnch of losers! dickrod is a joke for recruiting those guys
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
The best coach on the planet may have won 1 more game than RR.
"What a bnch of losers!"
How do you know before you give them a chance? At least they haven't proven they are losers, like the bulk of the guys Carr has recruited in his last few classes. Call them losers if they prove to be. RIght now, they haven't. I don't see why you would call them that anyway. But then again, according to you nobody who is not a giant can be any good. Jones is the same size as Toussaint, whom you like.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"The best coach on the planet may have won 1 more game than RR"
If we had Carr, we win 8 or 9 games minimum in 2008. Dickrod is just a sad, pathetic lttle joke of a coach. He has acomplished NOTHING in his career. those 2 BCS bowl games at WVU? Big whoop. Its the Big east, Even cincinatti can mke a BCS bowl game being a Big east team. dickrod is a midget compared to Carr
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
How do we win 8 or 9 when the year prior, we only won 9, and lost, from that team, Henne, Hart, Arrington, Manningham, Long, Kraus, and some decent guys on defense. Our offense in 07 was garbage with those guys, so just imagine it in 08 without them, under Carr. Carr had the unique ability of getting the worst out of his players.
" He has acomplished NOTHING in his career"
Same can be said for Carr, except for 97, when he inherited that team. They could have coached themselves and won it .
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"How do we win 8 or 9 when the year prior, we only won 9, and lost, from that team, Henne, Hart, Arrington, Manningham, Long, Kraus, and some decent guys on defense."
same way we won 8 games in 01 after losing Henson, A-Train, Terrell, and 4/5 o-linemen: we RELOAD
"Our offense in 07 was garbage with those guys"
no, it was not garbage. Our offense was really good in 2007, and it would ahve been at least above average under Carr in 2008.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"same way we won 8 games in 01 after losing Henson, A-Train, Terrell, and 4/5 o-linemen: we RELOAD"
Every situation is different. You still didn't answer the question. You just gave me some lame-ass example of something that happened in the past. Try again.
Our offense was garbage. Quit trying to convince me otherwise. You are only trying to convince yourself.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"You just gave me some lame-ass example of something that happened in the past."
history has a habit of repeating itself. We reloaded in 2001, so 2008 should ahve been no different. but it was different. why? Cause in 01 we had a good caoching staff led by Lloyd carr, where as in 2008 we had a shitty coaching staff led by dick fraudriguez. reloading is a very simple term. look it up. All the great teams do it. Ask Ohio State or USC
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Our offense was garbage"
of course it was. Our coahcing was terrible. what would you expect? This has NOTHING to do with a suppsoed lack of talent. the idea our fofense (or any spot on the team) lacked talent is a laughable myth. Only the dickrod supporters beleive it. you are trying to cover up for dickrod by saying he inherited no talent, when the truth is he inherited tons of talent but did a shitty ass job coaching. Our offensive woes in 08 is clear cut proof of this.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Carr had the unique ability of getting the worst out of his player"
Carr was certainly an underachiever, but dickrod is much worse. Michigan is in the exact same situation the Detroit Lions were in after the 2000 season: the Lions fired Gary Moeller cause 9-7 wasn't good enough, they hired Mornhiweg so he could make them a playoff power, and the Lions crashed and burned. Suddenly, 9-7 wasn't so bad
Sound familiar? Carr is Moeller, and dickrod is Mornhiweg
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
RR has had one season. He inherited an absolute mess. See Tom Crean and IU for a like example. Soak it up and learn it. It's that simple. Carr's recruiting since 04 has been an absolute joke, with underachievers, overrated players, and quitters. Your god, Carr, left us in this predicament. Blame him, not RR. IU's troubles are Sampson's fault, not Crean's.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"RR has had one season"
so what? thats enough time to prove himself. Multiple first eyar head coaches had immediate success in year one (Schembechler, Meyer, Stoop,s Spurrier, P. Johnson, Coker, Miles, Beliema, Tommy Bowden, Petersen, Barnett, and Richt come to mind). Dickrod has had his chance, and he has FAILED. He must be fired
"He inherited an absolute mess"
That is a myth. he inherited a very good team, and he fucked it all up.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"See Tom Crean and IU for a like example."
bullshit example. Michigan football wasn't sacing a scandal like IU basketball was under Kelvin Sampson. Indiana lost 90% of their schiolarship players from the previous season, whereas Michigan returned 90% of their scholarship players. The two situations are incomparable.
"Your god, Carr, left us in this predicament"
Carr didn't leave us in any mess whatsoever. Dickrod turned this program into a mess. for that, he must be fired.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
you need to unblock me and read it. it has nothing to do with this nonsense.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"They could have coached themselves and won it"
you definitely did not play HS football, and if you did, you were to busy jacking off to the starting QB's girlfriend. If you knew anything about football, you would know that coaching is everything. Nobody can coach themselves. NO ONE. Carr won that 1997 NC. Not Moeller. How many championships has dickrod won? that would be zero. he had a chance in 2007 against pitt and BLEW IT. dickrod sucks balls
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"you were to busy jacking off to the starting QB's girlfriend"
Seriously? We aren't in middle school. My point was that anyone could have coached the 97 team to a championship. And it's true. ANd you did play HS football? Have you ever even shaved your face before? Have your balls dropped yet?
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"My point was that anyone could have coached the 97 team to a championship"
fair enough. by the same token, anybody could ahve led West Virginia to three straight 11 win seasons when they ahve Pat White and Steve Slaton, especially when they are in a shitty ass conference like the big East. fair's fair
"ANd you did play HS football? "
yeah, for 3 seasons (2004, 2005, 2006). And unlike you, I payed attention to what the coaches were saying and what was going on
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Seriously, I sent you a PM saying I cannot do this anymore. I apologized in it. You need to read it.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Have you ever even shaved your face before?"
yes. I shave it everyday. Otherwise O get these annoying little hiars on my that make me itch liek crazy. Like it or not, i'm 19 years old, and I'm a helluva lot smarter when it coems to Michigan football and football in general then you are
"Have your balls dropped yet?"
yes I ahve. have you had a wet dream yet? you're such a douchebag.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"How do you know before you give them a chance? "
I don't. I'm judging them based on the history of tiny guys like them. And hisotry shows that the far majority of these guys will be busts. Odoms and Shaw have already proven to be terrible. Odds are dickrods other tiny recruits will follow suit. But I hope they prove me wrong
"Jones is the same size as Toussaint, whom you like. "
Fitz is a rare uber-athlete. Jones is not. end of story
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"And hisotry shows that the far majority of these guys will be busts"
This is simply not the truth. I do not feel the need to expound on it any further.
"Odoms and Shaw have already proven to be terrible"
Odoms led the team in rec and rec yd. Shaw had more yds and tds than Carlos.
"Fitz is a rare uber-athlete"
So what? So was mcguffie, who transferred to RIce because he couldn't handle the BigTen (a flaccid conf). BTW, uber is a gay word. I recommend never using it again.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Odoms led the team in rec and rec yd"
means nothing, as I've explained many times
"Shaw had more yds and tds than Carlos"
no shit sherlock. Shaw got more playing time then Brown....much more playing time. Again, Shaw having more yards then Brown means nothing
"So what?"
I'm saying that Fitz will probably bring a really good football player despite the act he is really small
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"means nothing, as I've explained many times"
Once again, we get the default excuse. "It means nothing." Not even why it means nothing, just "it means nothing." I don't buy it. You're going to have to do better than that. I could say the same thing for why Carr had more wins in 07 than RR did in 08. Would you buy it? Of course not.
You are a hypocrite. You say Fitz is small, but will be good, when you said many times before that small players cannot be good. HYPOCRITE.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Not even why it means nothing"
I have explained multiple times why it means nothing. Go back and read my posts. I will not beat on a dead horse just cause you on't have any reading comprehension skills
"You say Fitz is small, but will be good"
Toussaint is an uber-athlete, much like Noel Devine or Styeve Smith. Thats why I think he wull be successful. I could be wrong. Toussaint could become a bust. But I think he's good enough to overcome his lack of size, unlike most other tiny guys
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
I sent you a PM apologizing to you and saying that I cannot do this anymore. I give you my word on that. You need to read it. Please.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
I unblocked you. send it again. I';ll be able to read it now.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Thank you. Don't worry about your pride and responding to the rest.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
but for the sake of my own pride, I will respond to everything you said yesterday. i don't care whether or not you respond to it
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"you said many times before that small players cannot be good."
and I've also said multiple times that if you are like tousaaint and have exceptional skills, then you can overcome your lack of size. This is usually not the case, of course, but the bottom line here is it can happen. I think Michigan has got themselves an uber-athlete in Toussaint, whereas Gallon, Odoms, Jopnes, Smith, and Robinson are not uber-athletes. We'll see how Fitz does once he gets on the field.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"So was mcguffie, who transferred to RIce because he couldn't handle the BigTen "
and what the hell do you think is gonig to happen to practically all the other tiny recruits like mcGuffie? They aren't going to be able to handle the Big ten either. they are gonig to be BUSTS. These litle guys are garbage. Michigan will not become a powerhouse by stacking up on little guys and expecting them to be playmakers and gamebreakers. dickrod is such a stupid fucktard
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
From a previous post:
"I'm saying that Fitz will probably bring a really good football player despite the act he is really small "
From this post:
"they are gonig to be BUSTS. These litle guys are garbage"
HYPOCRITE. HYPOCRITE. I thought McGuffie was an uber-talent? HYPOCRITE. How you like them apples bitch.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
way to take what I said out of context. I've made myself very clear: most of these tiny guys will not become good football players. they will be marginal contributors at best. But there are ezceptions to every rule. In this case, if you ahve exceptional speed, vision, and athleticism, you can be a good football player in spite of your tiny frame. Steve Smith and Barry sanders are the best examples of this.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"I thought McGuffie was an uber-talent? "
I shouldn't ahve said 'like McGuffie' in the last post. that was a bad mistake on my part. I wasn't trying to refer to mcGuffie specifically. Sam is indeed an uber-talent, and I think he will be a superstar at rice and would ahve been a superstar had he stayed at Michigan. I was referring to little guys in general. You had said McGuffie couldn't handle the big ten, and I'm saying the FAR MAJORITY of tiny guys won't be able to handle the Big ten
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"BTW, uber is a gay word. I recommend never using it again."
1. you are a closet homosexual
2. I'll say whatever the fuck I want to say
3. I recommend you stop obsessing over a 19 year old teenager on youtube. Its creepy, especially considering you are gay. You start an argument with me on every video, and after i waste you and destroy all your arguments, you move on to the next video. You are such a little creep
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"1. you are a closet homosexual"
Nice try. You are the one in question, not me.
"2. I'll say whatever the fuck I want to say"
Ooooh, we have an internet badass, albeit one who has yet to sprout chest hair.
As for your 3), it goes both ways. I don't even know hos to respond to you thinking you destroy my arguments. Get an education kid. That's all I have to say. That's all I will ever have to your arguments. I am educated, you aren't. Deal with it.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Ooooh, we have an internet badass"
I'm not a badass. I just hate it when people try to regulate free speech. thank God you are not a youtube board memebr or something to that effect. This is a public forum. the 1st amendment applies in public forums
"As for your 3), it goes both ways."
I don't obsess over you. I don't start arguments with you. I will respond to anything you say to me, but i don't start shit woth you or anybody else. i'm not like that
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
again, i like the spread offense better then the prostyle, but if you think the prostyle/3 yards and a cloud of dust offense is a thing of the past, you are dead wrong. You obviously haven't been watching much football (college or NFL) if you think the prostyle is in the past.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Prostyle is not the same as 3yds and a cloud of dust. I never brought the NFL into the argument, you did. I couldn't care less what the NFL does, because it is totally irrelevant to the argument. Basically, under Carr, we did this: first down, run up middle, 3 yds. 2nd down, run up middle, 2 yds. 3rd down, stupid pass, sometimes complete, sometimes not. In the end, this didn't work, because our accomplishments in the past 10 yrs wouldn't even rank in the top 20 including all div 1a teams.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Prostyle is not the same as 3yds and a cloud of dust."
Oh please. have you ever listened to your own dickrod supporters? They ahve criticized the prostyle as a 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. Multiple commentators on ESPN and CBS and Fox liken the prostyle to a 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. you can't seperate the two. its impossible.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
USC doesn't do 3yd and a cloud of dust, nor does OSU, and they run prostyle. Nice try at the spin. It was cute.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"USC doesn't do 3yd and a cloud of dust, nor does OSU, and they run prostyle"
yes they do. watch them play. the fact is, the prostyle/three yards and a cloud of sust/whatever you want to call it is a succssful offense of you mix up the playcalling and get creative like USC and Ohio state do. Carr was too bland.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
They don't. It's that simple. You are wrong. I have nothing else to say on this matter.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"I couldn't care less what the NFL does, because it is totally irrelevant to the argument"
I bought up the NFL cause you were criticing the prostyle offense and the players needed to make a prostyle offense good (like the A-Train). I'm telling you that if the prostyle/3 yards and a cloud of dust offense is so bad, why does every pro team use it?
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Does UM play pro teams? NO. Does any college team play pro teams? NO. It is irrelevant what the NFL does. In college, the spread is the future, what does the NFL have to do with that? NOTHING. So shut your hole and know your place.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Does any college team play pro teams?"
the NFL is a more advanced level then college football. Anythnig that works in the NFL works in college football as well. Oh, and did i mention many college teams (including some of the most successful teams) run the prostyle? Its not a bad offense. its actually a rreally good offense.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Anythnig that works in the NFL works in college football as well"
I don't see how you came up with this assumption. That is perhaps the worst and least logical assumption I have ever heard. The prostyle can be good, but the spread is better. A good spread offense trumps a good prostyle offense any day in college. Don't care about the NFL. Never mention it again.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"I don't see how you came up with this assumption"
It's simple logic: if something works at the NFL, which is a more advanced level of football then college, then it will work at the college level as well. In the Amerian economy, the most successful small businesses often adapt the tactics big businesses use in order to become sucessful. Its the same thnig with football. if you can't see this logic, thats your problem.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Once again, you are wrong. Just because it may work in the NFL, doesn't mean it will work in college. Who taught you economics? You should go kill them and get a refund.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Just because it may work in the NFL, doesn't mean it will work in college."
yes, it does. Its called the "trickle down effect." Put it another way: something that works at level 5 will also work at level 1. want any more analogies? Like i said, this is all basic common sense
"Who taught you economics?"
I've been taught economics by various libertarian capitalists. FWIW
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"yes, it does. Its called the "trickle down effect."
Nope. Not in this case. Nice try though. It was cute seeing you try to use the edumacation yous got in yer big town.
"I've been taught economics by various libertarian capitalists"
I take it I am supposed to be impressed. Considering your HS and college, I don't care who taught you, because both your HS and college are crap. Little podunk boy, you can't keep up with me. Cute to see you try though.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"I take it I am supposed to be impressed."
I'm not trying to impress you. you asked where I leanred economics, and I gave you an answer. whether you like the answer or not is not my problem. I will say this however: I trust the libertarian capitalists who taught me more then I trust you
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
I sent the PM.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
i received it. i'll respond in a civilized manner from now on (:
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"A good spread offense trumps a good prostyle offense any day in college"
i agree. the spread is better then the prostyle. But you were talknig about the prostyle like its a bad offense. Thats where you are dead wrong.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"In college, the spread is the future"
but dickrods version of the spread (the spread option) is not the future. the spread option is just an offshoot of the veer and the wing-T. Its an outdated, pathetic offense that Big ten defenses (and any defenses that are remotely good) will snuff out and destroy. Dickrod will be gone sooner or later. at best Michigan will be a 7-5 or 8-4 team under him
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
The spread option is superior to the spread in every way. You clearly do not understand how it works. RR's WV teams raped people with the spread option. I don't care if they were in the BigEast, because they won their bowl games against nonBigEast opponents. And WVU accomplished more under RR while he was there thanCarr has in the past....well, since 1997. RR will be winning natl championships sooner or later, and you will have to renounce being a UM fan once he does. You are a bad fan.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"The spread option is superior to the spread in every way"
ROFLMFAO. The spread option is like the ninja in indiana Jones, who slings his sword every which way and shows Harrison Ford a thousand different ways in which to slice up his opponent. But then Harrison Ford just takes out his gun and kills the ninja with one shot.
Th ninja is the spread option, and H. Ford is Big ten defenses. the spread option will be DESTROYED by big ten defenses (and any other good defense)
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Worst analogy ever. I don't even know how to respond to such stupidity. I am at a loss for words. I am used to arguing with people who have at least a little intellect. try again.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"I am at a loss for words"
good. I've used that anaology to shut up many dickrod supporters in the past. You're my latest victim. You can't respond to that analogy, because its the truth. The spread option is a joke. Its a pussy ass offense. It is a sad attempt to bring back the "magic magician" days of Fritz Crislers teams in the late 1940's. But football has evolved from the smoke and mirros era. Now its a matter of who punches their opponent in the mouth harder.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
It wasn't a compliment. You are too dense to even realize that. You don't even know what the spread option is.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"You don't even know what the spread option is. "
the spread option is a version of the spread offense that utilzies the shotgun to forge a powerful ground attack. Rich Rodriguez invented the spread option at Glenville state in the early 1990's. Its an offense that emphasizes speed and quickness. Size is not a priority in a spread option offense. The QB must have the ability to run. The plays themselves are classic smoke and mirros: triple option, speed option, zone read, bootlegs......
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
.......QB draws, bubble screens, and TB sweeps. Thats the spread option in a nutshell. The name itself is derived from the fact that it is an option based offense, only the QB, TB, and receivers operate out of the gun as opposed to a Wing formation or the I-Form that Nebraska used under Tom Osbourn. Hence the name "spread option."
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"You clearly do not understand how it works"
My HS team has run it for the past 4 seasons, including when I was on the varsity team in 2006. Its a good offense at the HS level, but then again, so is the Wing-T and the veer. We had wing-T players going into the 05 season, and we had been ruinning the wing-t for over a decade. So, we went to the spread option in 05 in order to make the offense more dynamic, and we have beeen using it ever since.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
I don't think you know how it works. If you did, you would think it is pure genius, which it is, esp with Denard, who is undersized at QB, so he must suck. Too bad he isn't 7-0, 450lb of solid muscle with a 2.3 40 time and a 1500lb bench.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
I just got done responding to your comments on the isaiah bell vieo. i need to take a break now. i will respond to these comments later on tonight
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"I don't think you know how it works."
You thought wrong. I know how it works. See, unlike you, I was actually paying attention to what the coaches were saying and what was going on when I was on the varsity team. The spread option is a smoke and mirros offense, and the smoke and mirros era in college is OVER. its been over for a long time now.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Fire away, what is it. And don't try to put it back on me and say that you will not explain it because I don't know what it is. TELL ME WHAT THE SPREAD OPTION IS
cardfanman1 3 years ago
The spread option is only "genius" in the sense that its exciting to watch a ninja fling his sword every which way. But ultimtiely, all the sword flinging is nothing but showboating. It doesn't actually result in the enemy being killed, or even wounded (ask Indian Jones). You watch. dickrod will stack the team with his players, and his offense will just spin its wheels fruitlessly, and dickod will scratch his head wondering WTF is gonig on. And sooner or later, dickrod will be fired.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"his offense will just spin its wheels fruitlessly"
Like at WV, right? Now you say "the BigEast is crap." Now I say, "the Big10 is just a hair better.Picture this: the WV offense on horse steroids.He wasn't able to recruit the players at WV that he could at UM. The sky is the limit here. I can't believe that you can't see that. His offense will be unstoppable, and you will no longer be considered a UM fan. You are a terrible fan, wishing bad things upon our coach just to make you look right.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Like at WV, right?"
The wing-T would ahve worked at WVU. especially whren you got White and Slaton running the show. This is the Big ten. its a helluva lot better then the big east
"Now I say, "the Big10 is just a hair better."
the quality of teams in the big ten far exceeds those in the big east.. The big ten has one pwoerhouse, the big east has none. the big ten has 3 consistently good teams, the big east has none,. the big ten has only one horrible team, the big east has 5.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"You are a terrible fan, wishing bad things upon our coach just to make you look right."
I PREDICT that dickrod will fail, yes. But I WANT him to succeed, and succeed as much as you say he will succeed. Can you imagine the state of Michigan football if my prediction comes to frution and dickrod fails? Thats a frightening thought...much more frightening then me being wrong. If I'm wrong, its my ass. If I'm right, its every Michigan fans ass. Dickrod had BETTER suceed!!
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Too bad he isn't 7-0, 450lb of solid muscle with a 2.3 40 time and a 1500lb bench"
he's a QB. Hisotry ahs shopwn that size doesn't matter when it comes to QB's. Robinson will be fine
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Nice try kid. Size is extremely important, except when it hurts your argument. I don't buy it. Your arguments have more holes than Swiss cheese. Size doesn't matter period. See Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Steve Smith. They weren't good because they were small, they were good because they had talent. Braylon was good because he has talent, not because he is big. Size means nothing. Get it through your uneducated skull.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
" Size is extremely important, except when it hurts your argument"
it doesn't hurt my argument. I've never said anything about small QB's not being able to succeed, aso therefore, it doesn't hurt my argument.
"They weren't good because they were small, they were good because they had talent"
TONS of talent. emmit smith is only the NFL's alltime leading rusher. Steve Smith is only an All pro receiver
"Braylon was good because he has talent"
his size was an asset, however.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
My point here is that I know frome xperience that the spread option is just an offshoot of the wing-T. It's a good offense to use in HS, but at the college level? Forget about it! Its a joke of an offense at the college level
"WV teams raped people with the spread option"
oh wow. they raped big wast teams!! Big whoop! They could ahve run the wing-t and raped big east teams, especially considering they had Pat White and steve Slaton.
the spread option is a shitty offense. deal with it
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
You make fun of the BigEast as if the BigTen is any better. The BigTen is one tiny notch above the BigEast. Both are a joke. You make yourself look like a fool. Slaton is tiny, so he must suck, right? But he is a supersilly uber-athlete, right?
"the spread option is a shitty offense. deal with it "
Regardless of what you think, that's what we will be running under RR. You DEAL WITH IT!!!!! hhhaa, we are running a bad offense and there is nothing you can do about it.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"You make fun of the BigEast as if the BigTen is any better"
the Big ten is a trillion times better then the Big East. Ohio State is a national powerhouse. Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan consistently win 8-10 games a year. Iowa, Minnesota, and purdue all are good teams (most of the time, anyways). Michigan State, Illinois, and NW aren't good, but they aren't bad like most big east teams are. Only indiana is a consistently bad Big Ten football team......
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"the Big ten is a trillion times better then the Big East"
Seriously, it's "than." They are better THAN, not THEN. That is pissing me off, and making you look more stupid than you already are. Go see what commentators and sports mags said about the B10 in 08. It's not pretty. The B10 isn't regarded by fans of other conferences as any less of a joke than the BE. Accept that fact. It is sad, but true. BTW, RRs WV teams stomp any B10 team of the past 7 yrs.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Go see what commentators and sports mags said about the B10 in 08"
I admit that comapring the big ten and the big east is like comapring two midgets. The Big ten is definitely not the same powerhouse conference it used to be back in the 70's and 80's. My argument here is that the big ten is much better then the big east, not that the big ten itself is actually good like the SEC and Big 12
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
...on the other hand, the Big east is a JOKE. Syracuse, Cincy (until the 08 season), Rutgers, Louisville, and South Florida are all terrible. Yes, I said your Cardinals are terrible. they had one fluke season in 06. ohterwise, they've been garbage since they arrived in the Big east from conference USA. Pitt, Uconn, and West Virginia are all mediocre. The Big east has absoluely no pwoerhouses whatsoever, and most of their teams are awful.
Big Ten>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Big east
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
We were bad in 08, and it's not like UM wasn't bad. In fact, MY cardinals would have stomped UM last year, and Kragthorpe is the worst coach ever. You are right that the BE has no powerhouses, but the B10 has 1, OSU. Without OSU, the B10 is easily worse than the BE. The BE had a down year last year. UL, Pitt, WV, USF, will all be better. The BE also has 3 less teams.
"and most of their teams are awful. "
Same can be said for the B10. B10 is just barely better then the BE
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Without OSU, the B10 is easily worse than the BE. The BE had a down year last year."
I would contend that even without OSU, the Big ten is still better cause we got three good teams at the top (Michigan, Wisky, Penn State) and only one bad team at the bottom (Indy) whereas West Virginia has 3 medicore teams and 5 horrible teams.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Slaton is tiny, so he must suck, right?"
slaton is over 200 pounds. he's not tiny. not even close. he's undersized at the very worst. Try again baby boy (seriously, if I'm a kid, then you are a 2 year old)
"Regardless of what you think, that's what we will be running under RR"
Oh yes. i know we will be running this shit udner dickrod. Hence one of the many reasons why I'm ranting and raving on many Michigan videos here on youtube
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Try again baby boy "
Did you just call me "baby boy?" Doesn't get any gayer than that.
"Hence one of the many reasons why I'm ranting and raving on many Michigan videos here on youtube "
No, you are an attention whore, and you want people to notice you an think you are smart. You are unhappy about the 08 season, and look for someone to blame. You want others to join you, but it's not happening, except for a few morons. It takes more than 1 season to turn a train wreck around.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"because they won their bowl games against nonBigEast opponents"
wrong again. dickrod's record in bowl games at WVU was 2-3, and both those bowl wins came when he had White and Slaton. In 02, 03, and 04, his teams got RAPED in their bowl games. dickrod did NOTHING at WVU
"And WVU accomplished more under RR while he was there thanCarr has in the past....well, since 1997"
one look at the season record of WVU and Michigan completely discredits this argument
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Do the games not count because he had white and slaton? It's not like he developed them from unheralded barely 3star guys. Oh wait, he did.
"one look at the season record of WVU and Michigan completely discredits this argument "
Which season? My statement is still true. We did nothing under Carr except 97, which is the prior coaches team. Carr has done NOTHING, yet you venerate him like a god.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Do the games not count because he had white and slaton?"
Oh they count. I'm just saying that dickrod didn't do shit until he got extremely lucky by stumbling upon two legends in White and Slaton. any coach could ahve won lots of football games with those guys runnnig their offense, especially if their team is in the Big east
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"got extremely lucky by stumbling upon two legends in White and Slaton"
Nice try. He found them out of nowhere. They wer barely 3 star guys. He developed them, not that clown Stewart, who did horrible with White and Devine. TSN gave Stewart an F as a head coach last year. Don't even try to give him credit for anything.
"especially if their team is in the Big east "
BigEast fans could say the same thing about the Big10, and we do. The Big10 is a complete joke.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"He developed them, not that clown Stewart, who did horrible with White and Devine"
if Stewart had won 11 games this season, you prtobably would ahve said he won with dickrods players. C'mon man, your putting Stewart in a no win situation. He was the one who got White and slaton into the program, and although dickrod certainly desrerves sme credit for developing them, so does Stewart (and calvin magee, for that matter). white and slatons were not necessarily dickrods work
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Stewart an F as a head coach last year. Don't even try to give him credit for anything"
Thats just wrong. WVU never had NC talent last season. White and Devine were the only really good players on the team. When fucknig Jock Sanders is your leading receiver, you know the teasm is not NC caliber. Stewart maxed out the potential of the 08 mountaineeers, wich was about 8 or 9 wins
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
" It's not like he developed them from unheralded barely 3star guys. Oh wait, he did"
actually, it was Bill Stewart who recruited them and developed them. Remember that 48-28 win over oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl? Thats Bill Stewart right there. I'll admit that dickrod played a role in developing those guys, but the role was minimal. Stewart deserves most of the credit for coaching those guys up, not dickrod
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
" it was Bill Stewart who recruited them and developed them"
Oh yeah? Ok, that's exactly the excuse I would say when I would try to divert credit from someone I hate. Nice try. WV sucked with Stewart as coach, and that's with White and Devine. Nice try. You can't salvage this one. You lose on this one, might as well admit it and not make yourself look stupid with further arguing. I could say the 97 championship was all the OC, not Carr. Don't buy it, do you?
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Ok, that's exactly the excuse I would say when I would try to divert credit from someone I hate"
I shouldn't have aaid stewart gets all the credit. that was unfair bias on my part. sorry. I admit Rodriguez deserves some credit for developing them. im just syaing its not all dickrods doing. Stewart had a big part in that as well
"I could say the 97 championship was all the OC, not Carr"
It is fair to say Mike Debord deserves a helluva lot of credit for that 97 NC run.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Which season?"
all of them save 05 and 07. Lets look at them:
2001: Michigan went 8-4, WVU went 3-8. edge: Michigan
2002: Michigan went 10-3, WVU went 9-4. edge: Michigan
2003: Michigan went 10-3, WVU went 8-5. Edge: Michigan
2004: Michigan went 9-3, WVU went 8-4. edge: Michigan
2006: both teams went 11-2, and Michigan gets the tie breaker cause they were in a much tougher conference and had the nations 2nd toughest schedule behind Florida
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Both teams sucked in 01, RRs first year. 02 is a push, both were mediocre. Same for 03. Same for 04. Nice try with 06. Carr gets no tiebreaker for being in a "better" conference. The Big10 is a joke, you are the only person to think otherwise. The Big10 is just barely better than the BigEast, thank OSU for that. Take OSU out of the big10, and the BigEast is better. The only good teams we played in 06 were OSU and USC, both beat us easily. Smoke some more meth.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Both teams sucked in 01, RRs first year. 02 is a push, both were mediocre. Same for 03. Same for 04."
bottom line: Carrs teams had beetr records then dickrods teams every season the last seven years save two
"Carr gets no tiebreaker for being in a "better" conference"
even so, he does get a tiebreaker for having the nations 2nd toughest schedule whereas WVU was like 60th
"The only good teams we played in 06 were OSU and USC"
you're frgetting Notre Dame, Wisky, PSU, Iowa, and CMU
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"My statement is still true"
nope. I just proved that your statement was yet another LIE from a pathological liar. Michigan has been better then West Virginia practially every season under Carr, and thats despite the fact they've faced much stiffer compeititon. Like I said: dickrod is a runt compared to Carr
"Carr has done NOTHING, yet you venerate him like a god."
Carr's 111-40 career record speaks for itself, as does his national championship season. Carr>>>>>>>dickrod
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Michigan has been better then West Virginia practially every season under Carr"
No, you are not right. RR made WV a powerhouse. No RR, and WV sucked in 08, despite having White and Devine, both "uber-talents."
"Carr's 111-40 career record speaks for itself"
Speaks for mediocrity. Nothing more. Natl championship season was inheriting a great team. Any person, you included, could have coached them to a natl championship.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"No, you are not right"
the season records are the season records are the season records. case closed
" No RR, and WV sucked in 08"
WVU was an 8 or 9 win teams, and sure enough, that was the final record. stewart did what he could do
"Speaks for mediocrity. Nothing more"
I sincerly hope thats a line which you didn't really mean
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"RR will be winning natl championships sooner or later"
when this happens, remind me that hell has frozen over.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
When this happens, you will have to renounce your fanhood, and pick another team. You are the prototypical "bad fan." You think you are right all the time, yet you are just a snot nosed 19 yr old. You know nothing compared to these guys. The tide will turn, and you will have to renounce being a UM fan. You embarass UM, and all of it's fans. Stay in school and don't procreate.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Basically, under Carr, we did this"
carr's verison of the prostyle is bland. No doubt about it. Carr needed to go. we were underachieving under Carr
"our accomplishments in the past 10 yrs wouldn't even rank in the top 20 including all div 1a teams"
you talking about offensive accomplishments or team accomplishments?
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Either. We were decidedly mediocre under Carr. Blame him for our troubles now. He left RR very little to work with. 90% of our best players are first and second year players, and not coincidentally, those are the guys RR recruited. Learn it, love it or not, I don't care. Deal with it.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"We were decidedly mediocre under Carr"
Our team accomplishments from 1998-2007 were way better then mediocre:
-93 wins to only 34 losses (5th best nationally in that span)
-top 20 finsihes every season save 2005
-top 15 finishes every season save 2001, 2005, and 2007
-top 10 finishes in 1999, 2002, 2003, and 2006
-January Bowl games in every year save 2005
-4 BCS Bowl appearacnes, and one BCS victory
-multiple All Big Ten pl;ayers and several All-americans
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Decent record, not elite. Top 20 finishes are for losers. Top 15 finishes are for losers. Top 10 finishes are for losers. January bowl games mean nothing anymore. 4 BCS games in 10 yrs is weak. 1 BCS win in 10 yrs is pathetic. Who in the BigTen hasn't had multiple all BigTen players in the past 10 yrs? Several all-americans in ten years has been done by everyone as well. Congratulations, you just proved our mediocrity. Nice try though.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Decent record, not elite."
if a 93-34 record over a ten year span is decent, then there's not a single dynasty in the hisotry of college who has been good over a 10 year span. none. Like i said, your expectations are rediculosly high. They can't be taken seriously
"Top 20 finishes are for losers. Top 15 finishes are for losers. Top 10 finishes are for losers"
you must be really depressed being such a perfectionist. i'd hate to be you.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
93-34 in ten years is 3.4 losses per season. Not good.
"you must be really depressed being such a perfectionist. i'd hate to be you. "
Why would you hate to be an educated person who will be rich in the near future? You should be depressed, coming from your pitiful podunk town, and your obvious lack of an education. Do you even have a chest hair? You are a BOY, shut your hole and speak only when spoken to.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"93-34 in ten years is 3.4 losses per season. Not good"
3.4 losses is not good? Michigan has averaged practically 10 wins a season over the last decade, and thats not good? You just furhte rprove that your expectations are too high for them to ahve any credibility. the fact is, Michigan has been really good in the last decade, just not as good they should be
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Michigan has been really good"
Once again, you are merely trying to convince yourself. We have been mediocre at best.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Why would you hate to be an educated person who will be rich in the near future?"
money and education mean nothing to me if they come with depression and sadness. I'd rather be poor and happy then rich and depressed. I'm a physchological guy, not a materialistic guy
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"money and education mean nothing to me if they come with depression and sadness"
That's what all poor people say. Whos said education and wealth come with sadness?
"I'm a physchological guy, not a materialistic guy "
Being a "physchological guy" (butchered the spelling) makes no sense. You are not a materialistic guy because you don't have a choice.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Do you even have a chest hair? "
nope. And i'm proud of it. Women hate chest hair. Sonny, you are truly a dinasour. First you think a smoke and mirros offense still works in football, then you think chest hair is sexy. I'm guessing you think fuedalism is the best economic system? get with the times pal!
"shut your hole and speak only when spoken to"
there's another example of you being a dinasour. Monarchy is dead. its been dead for over a century. welcome to the free speech era (:
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"nope. And i'm proud of it. Women hate chest hair"
You don't, but it's not be choice. And some women like their men to actually look like men, not like prepubescent boys.
"Monarchy is dead. its been dead for over a century"
Really, I must have missed that one while I was riding my dinosaur with my hairy ass showing to the Queen and her knights. Don't lecture me, you are an uneducated redneck. There is nothing you know that I don't.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
" BCS games in 10 yrs is weak. 1 BCS win in 10 yrs is pathetic."
thats more then 90% of all other college teams can say. Mediocre? HA!!!
"Who in the BigTen hasn't had multiple all BigTen players in the past 10 yrs?"
everybody accept the consistently good teams (Michigan, Wisky, Ohio State, and Penn State)
"Several all-americans in ten years has been done by everyone as well"
just look at the list of AA and you will see this is just a flat out lie.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
I cannot reiterate enough how weak winning one BCS game in ten years is. All 11 teams in the BigTen have had multiple first teamers in past ten years. look it up. Once again, tons of teams have had several all-americans in the past ten yrs. You look it up, it's the truth.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"I cannot reiterate enough how weak winning one BCS game in ten years is."
bloody hell. Only 19 other teams out of 119 have won a BCS Bowl game.
Michigan is in an elite class having one even just one BCS bowl game.
"All 11 teams in the BigTen have had multiple first teamers in past ten years. "
no, they have not. do the research yourself. I've looked it up, and the fact is, only PSU, U-M, OSU, and Wisky have had multple 1st teamsers the last ten seasons
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"tons of teams have had several all-americans in the past ten yrs."
nope. only about 9 other twams have had multiple 1st team AA's over the past ten seasons. Michigan is in an elite class in the AA category as well. That is the truth
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Way more than 9, nice try.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"Congratulations, you just proved our mediocrity"
no. i proved that we have been one of the best teams in college football over the last ten seasons. of course, if you view colelge football as a battle of the midgets, then I suppose none of this means anything to you. And you probably do think that not a single team has been good over the last ten years. Your perfectionist standards would allow for no other conclusion. You're a joke
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
Wow. If we were one of the best teams in the past ten years, what does that make the 20+ teams that have done more than us? You are not trying to convince me that we were good, you are trying to convince yourself.
" You're a joke "
If I am a joke, thendoes that make you a pre-pubescent-looking uneducated redneck from a crap-town?
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"what does that make the 20+ teams that have done more than us? "
it maks them really good as well. A select few of those teams ahve bene great over the last decade (USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and maybe Florida)
"You are not trying to convince me that we were good, you are trying to convince yourself"
i'm not trying to change your mind on anything. i'm simply defending my position. I don't need to convicne myself of anything I've said.
Poole1Dan 3 years ago
"it maks them really good as well"
Nope. Don't buy it. Everyone can't be really good. Nice try though.
"i'm not trying to change your mind on anything. i'm simply defending my position. I don't need to convicne myself of anything I've said. "
You can convince everyone but yourself.
cardfanman1 3 years ago
"Don't buy it. Everyone can't be really good"
its not everyone. its only 20 out of 119 teams
Poole1Dan 3 years ago