BLACKS DIDNT COME FROM A CURSED NATION WHICH WAS SAID TO BE OF HAM. HISTORY IS ALL TWISTED UP MISSING BIT AND LIES THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SET ALL QUESTION STRI8T IS THE ALMIGHTYHIMSELF. SEEK HIM AND THERE THE TRUTH ABID.
dravidians are L dna and canaanites in prophets and patriarchs it say 2times nimrod is son of cush son of canaan not cush ibn ham blacks and ethiopians are from him
info below is from wikipedia!
L was found in 51% of Syrians from Al-Raqqah, a northern Syrian city in which its previous inhabitants have been wiped out by the Mongols by and repopulated in recent times by localBedouin populations and Chechen war refugees. In a small sample of Israeli Druze haplogroup L was found in 7 out of 20 (35%
Syria 51.0% (33/65) of Syrians in Al-Raqqah,( 31.0% of Eastern Syrians) Mirvat El-Sibai et al. 2009[4] Iran 3.4% L1-M76 (4/117) and 2.6% L2-M317 (3/117)
for a total of 6.0% (7/117) haplogroup L in southern Iran
3.0% (1/33) L3-M357 in northern Iran Regueiro et al. 2006(( Turkey 57% in Afshar village,)) 12% (10/83) in Black Sea Region, 4.2% (1/523 L-M349 and 21/523 L-M11(xM27, M349)) Cinnioğlu et al. 2004, Gokcumen (2008)
Syria 51.0% (33/65) of Syrians in Al-Raqqah,( 31.0% of Eastern Syrians) Mirvat El-Sibai et al. 2009[4] Iran 3.4% L1-M76 (4/117) and 2.6% L2-M317 (3/117)
for a total of 6.0% (7/117) haplogroup L in southern Iran
3.0% (1/33) L3-M357 in northern Iran Regueiro et al. 2006(( Turkey 57% in Afshar village,)) 12% (10/83) in Black Sea Region, 4.2% (1/523 L-M349 and 21/523 L-M11(xM27, M349)) Cinnioğlu et al. 2004, Gokcumen (2008)
L1a (M27, M76, P329) Found frequently in Indians, Sri Lankans, andBalochs, with a moderate distribution in other populations of Pakistan, southern Iran, and Arabia but also in European populations
L1c (M357) Found frequently among Burushos, Kalashas, Chechensand Pashtuns, with a moderate distribution among other populations inPakistan, Georgia, northern Iran, India, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia
Mari (modern Tell Hariri, Syria) was an ancient( Sumerian and Amorite city), located 11 kilometers north-west of the modern town of Abu Kamal on the western bank of Euphrates river, some 120 km southeast of Deir ez-Zor, Syria. It is thought to have been inhabited since the 5th millennium BC, although it flourished with series of superimposed palaces that spans a thousand years, from 2900 BC until 1759 BC, when it was sacked by Hammurabi.[1]
Abu Kamal (Arabic: أبو كمال, Turkish: Ebu Kemal or Kışla) is a city in eastern Syria on theEuphrates River near the border with Iraq. The Euphrates divides Abu Kamal into two areas: Shamiyya (belonging to the Levant) and Jazira (belonging to Mesopotamia) Al-Jazira, a plains region consisting of northeastern Syria and northwestern Iraq, quite distinct from the Syrian Desertand lower-lying central Mesopotamia.
Abu Kamal is an economically prosperous farming region with cattle-breeding, cereals, and cotton crops. It is also home to the historical site Dura-Europos and the ancient kingdom of Mari.
(Extracts from ‘The Original Indians â€" An Enquiry’ by Dr. A. Desai)
How the Mediterranean people came to be called Dravidians makes interesting story. The Pre-Hellenistic Lycians of Asi Minor, who where probably the Mediterranean stock called themselves Trimmili. Another tribe of this branch in the island of Crete was known by the name Dr(a)mil or Dr(a)miz.
In ancient Sanskrit writings we find the terms Dramili and Dravidi, and then Dravida which referred to the southern portion of India.
South India was known to the ancient Greek and Roman geographers as Damirica or Limurike. Periplus Maris Erithroei (Periplus of the Eritrean Sea) in the second or third century AD described the maritime route followed by Greek ships sailing to the South Indian ports: â
€œThen follow Naoura and Tundis, the first marts of Limurike and after these Mouziris and Nelkunda, the seats of government.â€
Dramila, Dravida and Damirica indicated the territory. Then it was applied to the people living in the territory and the language they spoke, in the local parlance Tamil and Tamil Nadu or Tamilakam
The Mediterraneans or Dravidians were associated with the ancient Sumerian civilizations of Mesopotamia and of Elam (southern Iran). Authors have pointed out ethnic, linguistic and cultural affinities between the Sumerians (Mesopotamians) and the Dravidians of South India, and concluded that both probably belonged to the same ethnic stock
HR Hall writes: “The ethnic type of the Sumerians, so strongly marked in their statues and relofs was as different from those of the races which surrounded them as was their language from those of the Semites, Aryans and others; they were decidedly Indian in type.
The face-type of the average Indian today is no doubt much the same as that of the Dravidian race ancestors thousands of years ago...And it is to this Dravidian ethnic type of India that the ancient Sumerian bears most resemblance, so far as we can judge from his monuments
He was very like a Southern Hindu of the Deccan (who still speaks Dravidian languages). And it is by no means improbable that the Sumerians were an Indian tribe which passed, certainly by land, perhaps also by sea, through Persia to the valley of the Two Rivers.â€
Hall is of the opinion that Dravidian people must have migrated to Mesopotamia from India, whereas others think Dravidians came from Mediterranean regions, which was their earlier home. KP Padmanabha Menon writes about their close relationship: “Orientalists, many of them, are prepared to concede that the Sumerians, the Mediterranean race, are branches of the early Dravidians.â€
Elamo-Harappan origins for Haplogroup J2 in India?
The presence of Haplogroup J2 in India, including the subclades M410 and M241 has been an often overlooked clue to the origins of M172. Sengupta et al, in 2005 worked to explain the presence of M172 in India. Their paper provides an immediate acknowledgement of the proposed spread of prot
Elamo-Dravidian speaking peoples into India originating from the Indus Valley and southwest Persia. The idea that M172 may have been carried into India with proto-Elamo-Dravidian groups is supported by the frequencies of Haplogroup J in one of the only remaining Dravidian Speaking ethnic groups in the Iranian Plateau, the Brahui. 28% of the Brahui
an ethnic Dravidian speaking group from Western Pakistan were found to carry the mutation defining Haplogroup J. Overall Haplogroup J2 in India represented 9.1% of this very populous nation. In Pakistan, M172 accounted for 11.9% of the Y-Chromosomes typed. Sengupta's paper broke down the frequencies of Haplogroup J2 into various caste and language groups
J2 was found to be significantly higher among Dravidian castes at 19% than among Indo-European castes at 11%. J2a-M410 in particular may be a strong candidate for a proposed migration of proto-Dravidian peoples from the Iranian Plateau or the Indus Valley since J2a M410 is a very high component of the haplogroup J2 chromosomes found in Pakistan. Over 71% of the M172 found in Pakistan was M410+
Another interesting characteristic in the distribution of M172 and more specifically, M410, in India was its higher frequencies in Upper Caste Dravidians. M410+ chromosomes were found in 13% of Upper Caste Dravidians. Sengupta goes on to suggest an Indian origin of Dravidian speakers but from a Y chromosome perspective, the paper seems to acknowledge M172 arriving in India from Middle Eastern and Indus Valley Civilizations
and for the donkey with shit 4 brains in prophets and patriarchs it mention 2 times nimrod was son of cush son of canaan son of ham i have dreamt of the Prophet PBH 10times 2 times i dreamt the dravidians are the sumerians and 1time they are from canaan and that the blacks and ethiopians are from the other cush who is son of ham i also have dreamt a map of iraq and i see the iraqi kurds very close to the semitic jews
Aramaeans continued to be the majority population in their homeland, which is in effect most of modern Syria and part of south central Asia Minor until well after the Arab Islamic conquest of the 7th century AD. A number of Aramaean kingdoms sprung up in the region, the most important being Palmyra
There was some synthesis with Arab peoples (and possibly Greeks and Phoenicians also), and the Nabatean civilisation of what is today Jordan and southern Syria had an essentially a mixed Aramaean-Arab identity. From the 2nd Century AD they began to adopt Christianity in increasing numbers, and by the 4th Century AD the population was largely Christian.
After the Arab Islamic conquest of the region in the 7th Century AD, Aramaeans gradually became a minority in their homelands, the language was gradually replaced by Arabic, as ever increasing numbers of Arabs, (together with Turkic and Iranic peoples) began to move into the region
((( Those indigenous peoples who converted to Islam rapidly lost their Aramaean identity, intermixed with the Arab rulers and essentially became Arabs.)))) However, a proportion of the population resisted the process of Arabization and Islamification, retaining Western Aramaic language and Christian faith.
iraqi kurds being the closest to semitic jews has nothing to do with the jewish thing medes and chaldeans intermarried so i dont know what some shit for brains is talking about? 1% semitic what is this ass saying lying trying to deceive people 28%.4%j2 and 11.6% j1 a total of 40 %
The authors of the book "The History and Geography of Human Genes"1, published in 1994, and the abridged version in 1962, took on the monumental task of analyzing the vast number of research articles written about genetic properties of different human populations.
The senior author, Prof. L.L. Cavalli-Sforza, Professor of Genetics at Stanford University, is considered one of the preeminent human population geneticists in the world, a field that he has been working in for over forty years. After eight years of collecting this massive information, the authors spent several more years doing the genetic and statistical analyses using sophisticated computer methods
The objective was nothing less than to define the genetic variations in the entire human population of the world and, from that information, to trace the origin and migration of modern humans to their present locations on the planet (hence the "History and Geography" in the title). As the American Journal of Human Genetics stated
This book represents a landmark in biology. There is nothing of its kind... where the evolutionary history of a single species possessing a cosmopolitan distribution is distilled from genetic, morphological, and cultural data.
It represents an essential historical source for all human biologists ... " And as the New York Times said, "Perhaps more than anyone else in his field, Dr. Cavalli-Sforza ... has been able to make sense of the whisperings of human ancestors that are recorded in the genes of present-day people."
For their study, the authors chose to use data from only those populations that had been in the same geographic area for at least 500 years. They considered them as the native indigenous people of an area ("aboriginal") that could be used to trace human population origins, relationships and migrations.
From analysis of the genes in these populations, it became possible to determine not only the genetic makeup of a people and the genetic relationships of different groups to each other, but also to measure the "genetic distance" between them. The analyses showed that there were sufficient data to provide statistically significant information on the genetic characteristics of 491 different human populations.
Assyrians were one of them3-6. In this article, we will focus on the knowledge that has been gained about Assyrians and the genetic relationships between Assyrians and their neighbors, with the hope that it will lead to better understanding between the people of the Middle East.
Members of a specific human population, for example an ethnic group, identify with each other by a shared language and also by cultural, religious, social, geographic, and other features which are held in common
They distinguish themselves from other groups by the same criteria. What are "hidden" from external view are genetically determined attributes of the type that are only brought into the light by scientific methods such as those described in this book, and they reveal a very important component of a group - its genetic character
This can provide both a genetic definition of a group and also its relationships to other groups that would not be apparent otherwise. The use of language along with genetics to define groups is very useful, but linguistic change can occur much faster than genetic change and "languages are sometimes replaced by others of totally different origin in a very short time", as will be pointed out later in this article
As the authors state, "Only genes almost always have the degree of permanence necessary for discussing" the changes in populations that took place in the history of our species.
I have attempted the difficult task of presenting this information for the general reader in a concise way without compromising accuracy. Technical terms placed in parentheses are informative but not essential to understanding the basic ideas
But one technical element is crucial to the understanding of this information and I must briefly discuss it here. The chemical substance that makes up genes is DNA. A specific gene controlling the formation of a specific product may undergo a chemical alteration in its DNA ("mutation")
The product that it forms will then also be altered. We now have two forms of the same gene ("alleles") in the population and different individuals can get different forms of the gene. In the case of the familiar A, B, AB, and O blood types, whether an individual has the A form of the gene, the B form, or neither, determines the blood type
A human population can be genetically characterized by determining the distribution of the various forms of genes within that population ("gene frequency") - for example, what percentage of the population has the A, B, or O gene. When this is done for enough people and for enough different genes a "genetic profile" emerges for that population. Genes control the synthesis of proteins.
In the "classical" studies that form the greater part of the material in the Cavalli-Sforza et al. book, the structure of the protein is analyzed as a genetic marker - the specific structure of the protein reflects the specific structure of the gene that codes for it. The proteins commonly analyzed as genetic markers are those that determine various types of blood groups, enzymes, blood serum proteins, hemoglobin, antibodies and cellular markers of the immune system (HLA system
. In addition, direct analysis of DNA has recently become increasingly common and, of course, adds to the information pool about the genetic makeup of a people. In his very recent book2a, Cavalli-Sforza says: "Results with DNA have complemented but never contradicted the protein data." An example of DNA analysis will be seen later as part of the discussion of Jewish genetics
Analysis of the Assyrians shows that they have a distinct genetic profile that distinguishes their population from any other population. It is important to understand that this applies to the population as a whole, not to any one individual
Each individual can have a variety of genetic features, but it is when all the data for the individuals are assembled together that the population can become distinctive. The authors state that "The Assyrians are a fairly homogeneous group of people, believed
to originate from the land of old Assyria in northern Iraq," and "they are Christians and are possibly bona fide descendants of their namesakes." The main research paper on Assyrians is that of Akbari et al. (3), who state "that the Assyrians are a group of Christians with a long history in the Middle East. From historical and archeological evidence,
it is thought that their ancestors formed part of the Mesopotamian civilization." Akbari et al. examined some 500 members of Christian communities in Iran (Armenians and Assyrians from six localities) from whom specimens were obtained and examined for a number of blood group, red cell enzyme and serum protein systems.
In the case of Assyrians, the researchers studied 18 different gene sites with a total of 47 different forms of those genes (alleles) in Assyrians in two regions of Iran - Urmia and Tehran. The particular gene frequencies of those 47 genes in the population formed the basis, along with the other two studies (4, 5), for establishing the distinctive genetic character of the Assyrians
A major finding of the study is that Assyrians, especially those in Urmia (their home area in Iran), are genetically homogeneous to a high degree. That is, an individual Assyrian's genetic makeup is relatively close to that of the Assyrian population as a whole
"The results indicate the relatively closed nature of the [Assyrian] community as a whole," and "due to their religious and cultural traditions, there has been little intermixture with other populations." The small size of the population is also a factor. The genetic data are compatible with historical data that religion played a major role in maintaining the Assyrian population's separate identity during the Christian era.
For most of that period Assyrians existed as a Christian minority in non-Christian majority populations, and adherence to their religion, abundantly documented in the historical record, would have provided a "genetic barrier" to gene flow from external groups. In analyzing other groups in similar situations, Cavalli-Sforza et al. arrived at this opinion:
The important conclusion is that the genetic origin of groups that have been surrounded for a long time by populations of different genetic type can be recognized as different only if they have maintained a fairly rigid endogamy
[ marriage within the group] for most or all the period in which they have been in contact with other groups," although genes contributed by external groups ("gene flow") can be tolerated for many centuries or even millennia by a population, provided they are not on a large scale. Later in this article we will see an analogous situation with Jews,
where a religious difference allowed them to maintain their genetic characteristics as a minority over many centuries while living among non-Jewish majority populations. In any case, the data provide unequivocal evidence that Assyrians as a people are distinguishable from all other population groups in their genetic characteristics and are not a part of any other population.
The second important contribution that emerges from the book is seen when genetic relationships are made between the 18 populations of Western Asia for which enough data were available to allow meaningful interpretation. The results are summarized in the "tree" shown in the figure. The horizontal scale at the bottom quantitates the genetic distance between groups
The individual populations are listed in the general order of their relationships. The three Arab populations at the lowest part of the "tree" (Saudi, Yemeni, Bedouin) are close to each other genetically but are so far separated from the others as to constitute what the authors call a separate "minor cluster." The remaining 15 groups constitute the "major cluster."
Our primary purpose here is to define the relationships of Assyrians to their closest neighbors in the Middle East, so we will focus on seven groups that appear at the top of the "tree." Of these, Iranian and Iraqi are defined by the country of origin, after exclusion of Kurds. Jordanian, Lebanese and Turkish also mean the country of origin
Assyrians and Kurds refer to specific groups of people. All those studied were indigenous people of the area whose roots in their geographic locations go back to at least 1500 A.D. Relationship pairings are shown: Turkish and Iranian, and Assyrian and Jordanian are "loose" pairings; Druse and Lebanese form a closer pair; and Iraqi and Kurdish people form an extremely close pairing.
The closest genetic relationships of the Assyrians are with the native populations of Jordan and Iraq. In point of fact, however, all of the seven populations of interest are quite close to each other. There are no wide separations between any of them. This despite the fact that they contain members of three major language families: Indo-European (Iranian, Kurdish), Turkic
(Turkish) and Semitic (Iraqi, Jordanian, Lebanese - Arabic; Assyrian - Aramaic). As the authors state, "In spite of the complex history of the Middle East and the great number of internal group migrations revealed by history, as well as the mosaic of cultures and languages, the region is relatively homogeneous" [genetically]
The least heterogeneous zone of Asia "is observed in the Near East, where the highest population densities have existed the longest, especially in the central part (Mesopotamia). Ten thousand years of agriculture, ancient urban developments, and internal migrations are probably responsible for this homogeneity
" Thus, in that part of the world with the most ancient civilizations, an underlying genetic homogeneity has been "masked" by great cultural, religious and linguistic heterogeneity.
The latter point is also made in studies of Jews. Based on earlier studies using classical genetic methods7 , Cavalli-Sforza et al. came to the conclusion
"that Jews have maintained considerable genetic similarity among themselves and with people from the Middle East, with whom they have common origins." Evidence for the latter concept was very convincingly made and extended by an international team of scientists in a very recent research article8
,widely reported in the press, in which the genetics of different Middle Eastern populations were studied using a completely different method than the classical methods that form the great majority of papers in the Cavalli-Sforza et al book. The research involved direct DNA analysis of the Y chromosome, which is found only in males and is passed down from father to son
. Seven different Jewish groups from communities in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East were compared to various non-Jewish populations from those areas. The results showed, first of all, that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.
Furthermore, the genetic characteristics of Jews were shown to be distinctly different from (non-Jewish) Europeans, suggesting that very little admixture occurred between Jews and Europeans, even after about 80 generations of Jews in Europe. There was a similar distinct difference between Jews and North Africans. In striking contrast, there was an "extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations [Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, Druze
Saudi Arabians] observed here ...[that] supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin" of these populations dating back about 4,000 years. The differences between the populations were not statistically significant, demonstrating once again the close genetic relationship of Middle Eastern populations to each other.
In fact, the Palestinians and Syrians were so close to the Jews in genetic characteristics that they "mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations." As one of the Israeli scientists on the team said, "Eventually people will realize that they are not that different." Peace through Genetics?
Let us examine the situation in two areas of the Middle East where a radical change in the population and language occurred rapidly without being accompanied by a significant genetic change, and try to explain it.
The land that now forms the nation of Turkey (Anatolia) was once a part of Byzantium. Greek (Christian) was the major influence there. The Turkic-speaking people arrived there from Central Asia in the 11th century A.D., spread successfully throughout the land and Turkish eventually became the dominant language as a Turkish nation was established
Turks are, as the authors state, "the only major group in the region that speak a language originated at a great geographic distance (probably in the Altaic region)." The pre-existing people in Anatolia, however, did not physically disappear. The genetic studies show that the majority became part of the new Turkish population.
The genetic constitution of the Turks today is much closer to their nearest geographic neighbors, although none is a Turkic-language population, than to the Turkic-speaking populations of Central Asia. The authors interpret this to mean that "the Turkish language was imposed on a predominantly Indo-European-speaking population (Greek being the official language of the Byzantine empire), and genetically there is very little difference between Turkey and the neighboring countries.
The number of Turkish invaders was probably rather small and was genetically diluted by the large number of aborigines." And [ in Turkey] "language replacement has occurred essentially without, or with very little, gene replacement."
In view of the authors' theory explaining the genetic characteristics of the population in Turkey, it seems reasonable to consider the possibility that a similar type of event may have occurred in the
Arab world of Mesopotamia and its adjacent regions - Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon (and presumably also Syria and Palestine) - to explain the genetic characteristics of those populations. In the 7th century A.D., after the conversion to Islam,
the Arabs of the Arabian peninsula conquered large areas, including Mesopotamia and adjacent regions. Arabic became the major language of the region and an Arab nation was established there under Islam. But again, the pre-existing indigenous population, mainly Christian (including Assyrians), did not physically disappear, and the majority must have become part of the Arab population
Looking at the figure, one sees a very large genetic separation between the Arabs of the South - Saudis, Yemenites - and those in the region of Mesopotamia - Jordanian, Iraqi. The latter two groups are much closer genetically to the four non-Arab people of the region that we are interested in (Turk, Iranian, Kurd, Assyrian) than to the Arabs of the Arabian peninsula.
As in the case of the Turks in Anatolia, these findings provide a clue that a relatively small number of Arabs from the Arabian peninsula may have carried out the conquest of a region with a much larger population, which included a number of cities, and that although the dominant language, religion and culture changed, the genes of the previous population may not have been significantly diluted and were transmitted to the present population of that region.
Finally, as seen in the figure, the two Indo-European language populations, the Iranians and the Kurds, are genetically closer to the Turks and the Semitic language group of Iraqi, Jordanian, Lebanese, Assyrian,)))))))))))))))))))))))))) than they are to their nearest Indo-European language speaking neighbors - Armenian, Pathan, Hazara Tajiki
In fact, the figure shows that the latter are part of a separate subcluster from the one in which the Iranians and Kurds are located.
The results of these scientific studies lead to the startling realization that Turks, Iranians, Kurds, Iraqis, Jordanians, Lebanese are more closely related genetically to Assyrians than they are to other members of their own respective language families in Asia. These seven groups (and Jews) are genetically close.
The great language, cultural and religious differences are not reflected in the most fundamental aspect of their biology - their genes, which are the most accurate indicators of their shared origins and ancestry. If this were widely known, would the Assyrians seem so "different" to the others? Would changes in attitude begin to take place, especially among the intellectual and academic communities and the younger generations?
We stand with hope at the dawn of a new millennium. For mankind in general, the future holds exciting scientific prospects for understanding our past and present genetic nature. The tiniest amounts of DNA recovered from people who died thousands of years ago can now be exactly reproduced billions of times, providing abundant material for analyzing the genetic nature of ancient ancestors ("genetic archeology").
The "whisperings of our ancestors" can now be heard by us with our DNA amplifiers. Molecular genetics is poised to take understanding of the human race to heights undreamed of just a few years ago. Within the year there will occur one of the most momentous events in human history - the complete definition of the entire human genetic code (genome) of about 100,000 genes ("human genome project").
We will be able to see the complete DNA blueprint for creating a human being, God's handwritten letter to us9. Future research will show how little difference there is between us in our DNA, giving us an unparalleled opportunity to understand how much of our humanity we hold in common.
(((Also standing at the dawn of the new millennium are the Assyrians - on the brink of extinction. For over 1900 years since they accepted Christianity and established the Church of the East, the
Assyrians in the Middle East have survived for the most part as a religious and language minority. While this preserved their identity and kept them from disappearing, it came at a terrible price. The history of the Assyrians reads like one long unbroken story of massacre, persecution and indescribable horror, culminating in the 20th century with genocide and diaspora, followed by even more persecution and massacre.
Was it just a coincidence that the first fratricide occurred in the Middle East, when Cain murdered his brother Abel? Will we ever be free of the curse of Cain? Will the younger generations of the Middle East release their souls from the dark forces of the past? Will the knowledge that Assyrians are their "blood relatives" begin to change the perception of Middle Eastern people about Assyrians? Will it be too late for the Assyrians?))))))))))))))
Cavalli-Sforza, L.L., Menozzi, P. and Piazza, A. The History and Geography of Human Genes. 1994. Princeton University Press. Unabridged Edition. As above, Abridged Paperback Edition. 1996. Contains the text of the Unabridged Edition, but not the hundreds of pages of genetic maps; has an index, and references to literature that were cited in the text
Only the unabridged version has the references for research articles that were used to arrive at each population group's genetic analysis, listed by name for each population; also, the tables of gene frequencies. 2a. Cavalli-Sforza, L.L. Genes, Peoples, and Languages. 2000. North Point Press (division of Farrar, Straus and Giroux), New York. The book is a summation of the author's work written for the general reade
What is intersting the Assyrians are very close to their Muslim neighbours in Iraq,Jordan, and Lebanon, well those of Bedouin origins are more related to the Saudis and Yemenites. Also the Saudi, Yemenite, and Bedouins form their own Caucasoid minor cluster which seperates them from other Middle Easterners and Europeans being an almost isolate sub-racial group.
The Bedouins like the Gypsies in Europe, differ in their genetic makeup from their host populations, and show a direct link to Arabia. Well Iraqis being the closet people to modern day Assyrians, showing that Arabization of Iraq was in fact a lingusitic and cultural transition, however their was also the breif peroid of Persianization. Then its followed by Jordanians and Lebanese. The Iraqi Kurds are very close to Assyrians in their genetic makeup, and probably have shifted into an Iranic tongue
Thus all groups in Iraq decent from a common ancester with a limited gene flow from various male invaders, who intermarried with the local female population. Jordanian, Lebanese, Turks also cluster closer to Assyrians,((( but not as strong as the Iraqi Arab or Kurds))), showing again their common genetic ancestery
According to Berossus, some years before he became king of Babylon, ((((Nebuchadnezzar II married Amytis of Media, the daughter or granddaughter of Cyaxares, king of the Medes, and thus the Median and Babylonian dynasties were united.))))))
Nabopolassar was intent on annexing the western provinces of Syria from Necho II (who was still hoping to restore Assyrian power), and to this end dispatched his son westward with a powerful army. In the ensuing Battle of Carchemish in 605 BC, the Egyptian army was defeated and driven back, and Syria and Phoenicia were brought under the control of Babylon. Nabopolassar died in
August of that year, and Nebuchadnezzar returned to Babylon to ascend to the throne.
After the defeat of the Cimmerians and Scythians,(((( all of Nebuchadnezzar's expeditions were directed westwards, although the powerful Median empire lay to the north. Nebuchadnezzar's political marriage to Amytis of Media, the daughter of the Median king, had ensured peace between the two empires.)))))))))))))) from wikipdeia
However, it soon became apparent that the CMH is not specific to Jews or descendants of Jews. In a 1998 article in Science News, Dr. Skorecki indicated (in an interview) that some non-Jews also possess the Cohen markers, and that the markers are therefore not "unique or special
.(((((( The CMH is very common among Iraqi Kurds, according to a 1999 study by C. Brinkmann et al.)))))))))) And in her 2001 article, Oppenheim wrote: "The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH...
" (Oppenheim 2001, page 1100). Furthermore, the CMH is also found among some Armenians, according to Dr. Levon Yepiskoposyan (Head of the Institute of Man in Yerevan, Armenia), who has studied genetics for many years. Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin wrote: "The suggestion that the 'Cohen modal haplotype' is a signature haplotype for the ancient Hebrew population is also not supported by data from other populations." (Zoossmann-Diskin 2000, page 156)
In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. However, its existence among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today's Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region.
In human genetics, Haplogroup J (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is one of the major male lines of all living men. It is divided into two main branches referred to as J1 and J2. wikipedia))))
The relationship of the five modal haplotypes that were found in the six populations is presented in figure 3. The most-frequent haplotype in all three Jewish groups (the CMH [haplotype 159 in the Appendix]) segregated on a Eu 10 background, together with the three modal haplotypes in Palestinians and Bedouin (haplotypes 144, 151, and 166).
((( The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH and the modal haplotype of the Bedouin, but it belonged to haplogroup Eu 9. )))
The three modal haplotypes in the Palestinians and Bedouin were entirely restricted to the two Arab populations. On the other hand, chromosomes with the modal haplotypes of the Jews and of the Muslim Kurds were observed in all the populations except the Bedouin.
The three Jewish communities had many additional haplotypes in common with Muslim Kurds (table 3). They shared more haplotypes and chromosomes with Muslim Kurds than with either Palestinians or Bedouin.
the Mitanni, the deities Mitra, Varuna, Indra, and Nasatya (Ashvins) are invoked. Kikkuli's horse training text includes technical terms such as aika (eka, one), tera (tri, three), panza (pancha, five), satta (sapta, seven), na (nava, nine), vartana (vartana, turn, round in the horse race). The numeral aika "one" is of particular importance because it places the superstrate in the vicinity of Indo-Aryan proper as opposed to Indo-Iranian or early Iranian (which has "aiva") in general [2]
Compare Kardim(realname of the chaldanes) with Chittim(Hittites).And ancient lands of Arzawa,Kizzuwatna and the empire Mitanni were called kujrwannes states and her female maingod was sawuska(like xwisk in kurdish,Schwester in german,chwaer in cymraeg,xahar in persian,soror in latin,sister in english)
My God Kurds are NOT Hattites. Kurds are an Indo-Iranian people who came from Central Asia and related to Afghans Urdu and Sankrit Indians. Hittites were indo-Europian but NOt of Iranic branch but of anatolian Branch. Hitties are not Kurds.
@xSouthxKURDISTAN Kurds are not just Indo Iranian! Kurds are mixed nomadic people with many ancestor in smae place wich is today kurdistan!
First ancestor is Gutians, Kardouchian, medes, mittani, and some more.
Gutians kings had sumerians names, Nothing is known about Gutians, but whats known is Gutians had kings with sumerians name, that mean Gutians camed from the blood of sumerians and they also camed from sumerians civilisation.
@1Azadman iraqi kurds carru 28.4%j2 semitic and 11.6% j1 semitic the dominant halotype of the muslim kurds is eu9 means j2 semitic the iraqi kurds and iraqi arabs cluster the closest to the aramean assyrians and are the closest to the semitic jews
sumerians are the dark dravidians who are from canaan
@rasheed1669 you talking shit, go read the dna of kurds, the whole kurds have under 1% semitic blood, only 10% of the jewish kurds have semitic dna, and there is no things as iraqi kurds, it's south kurdish people, so don't try with anything, south kurdish people have a semitic dna under 2%, you donkey must knows that sumerians were not dravidian by language or dna, they were semitic people from dessert of arabia, kurds descend from native indoeuropean ancestors to caucasus and zagros moutnains!
@xSouthxKURDISTAN iranic branch comes later, kurds have a village named mittani, the iranians were the pure indoeuropeans from europe and to india, the iranians means the root of indoeuropean peoples, the kurds are the root of iranians and indoeuropeans people, kurds have dna related with western peoples, thats proven and thats you can read about, kurds descend form the median empire, the medes assimialted all kind of indoeuropeic empires from anatolia to elam empires which is today kurdistan!
@xSouthxKURDISTAN kurds existed long before the empire of MEDIA/MEDES, the real name of GUTIANS! are KURTI existed around 2500 B.C, the assyrian/akkadian king considered the gutian/kurti peoples be among the arartians, the arartians and hurrites were same people, the hurrites hittites were also same, the mittani were descend of hurrian and later the hittite empire, all kind of indoeuropiec empires down to elam fall down under the empire of media and become with same culture.
@xSouthxKURDISTAN the name of hurrian were KUR in assyrian sourches, so ofcoruse that the anatolian none semitic empires are genitacaly ancestor to modern day of kurds! kurds have dna related with armenians, means kurds were hurrians. look at the name, HURRIAN, KURD, GUTI name were KURTI, more sound that kurds descend from hurrians and native indoeuopenas people from anatolia to zagros mountains there kurds normaly dominate. all empires from anatolia down to zagros mountains become united Media
@xSouthxKURDISTAN media defended itself from immigrations from south and later become one united and supported be same empire as MEDIA/MADAI, around 700 B.C, assyria invaded the territorium of MANNAI, assyrian and the semitic empire were enemy to hurrians, gutians, lullubians, hittites and the none semitic territroiums untils all they were defeated by united empire against semitic empires. medes were supported by the anatolian zagros mountains peoples to rule this territroiums as empire of MEDIA
bu the way kurds are orginly Hittites because its the same area they live in + kurds speak indo-europian langauge+turkish people came from mongolia to anatolia after the Hittites empire.remmeber no one can change history!!!
Kurds are a mix of Semites and Aryans, they're not descendants of Hittites at all.
Also, the white Jews of today are not Semitic, they're descendants of Khazar Turkic peoples, of Khazaria, a dead empire. Judea has been dead longer though.
Kurds are more Semitic than the majority of Jews today.
I agree that the majority of Jews are Ashkenazim/Khazar's and not original Jews (or Hebrews). I also partly agree that Kurds are a mix of Semetic according to genetic evidence, but I'm not well read enough on the subject. It would be jumping to conclusions to say Kurds are not descended of Hittites at all though, as i believe there can definitely be some connections made between the two. More research needs to be done, people mostly guess the origins of Hittites since it is unknown.
in very good extend. Actually the "National Geographic" is creating a huge data base. It is not 100% completed by in some extend, they can even trace your ancestor all the way to major rout of immigration. At least to few generation, they are enough accurate to give you the idea.
thats fucking bullshit. assyrians were slaves under babylon, adopting the babylonian culture. chariots were existed long before the assyrians came into power, and long before egypt had them. They were existend in babylon, made by babylonians.
explain the black statues in sumeria not mesopatamia. and europeans are not americans. invading a land & claiming it's inheritance as the originators does not make you that people. it makes you a usurper and a lying revisionist. the 1st europeans were also black do your homework puppy.
chariots were in egypt long before any assyrians existed; original assyrians from ashur were black and later came the mongrelized aryans from iran/aryan so called noble peoples who were muslims if you know anything ali a black man converted them thus they are called shiya. these people are from india and pakistan just look at them. noble is a title in islam of the shriners who swore to ally and protect the bloodline of the faatimides. and you are an idiot. facts go beyond racism
@kullmack the sumerians are the dravidians with straight hair and the elamites were afro asiatic they looked like dravidians but different hair they are from phut dravidians are from canaan the brahui could be the descendants of elamites they speak a dravidian dialect but are nomadic they carry a overall j dna of 28%
the word aryan means iranian are you iranian? the english translation means noble it is a title of muslim shriners, and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. just another misinformed white supremecist racist without a real history i guess you are an american too. then who are the native americans, and columbus discovered america you racist idiots deserve death.
Yo my brother you need to calm down. I have seen your posts and i see you are familar with the teachings of people like Dr York. You are possibly correct. Sumeria was founded by Nubians in its original pre-dynastic form and i havent researched original Assyrians but i dont doubt their Nubian ancestry. Also, i am aware that Iranian and Aryan are the same, Kurds are of the Iranian speaking family. Also, its very possible that Kurds are descendents of Hittites. Peace Sena.
kurds are an iranian-indo people who migrated from southeast iran to modern day southeastern turkey.
Turks on the other hand have close relationship with caucasians, they come from the steps to the north of kaukasia (and not from mongolia as everyone else says). Look at the uygur for example, they have 60% european features and resemble turks in anatolia.
No need to laugh, it is possible that Kurds are somehow related to the Hittites, maybe not fully but connected somehow. If you are suggesting Turks were Hittites then i would have to disagree since the Turks arrived in Anatolia in the 1st Millennium AD, and that genetically most Turks in Turkey are not Turkish at all. Kurds have been there in that area since the Sumerian rule of Mesopotamia. They also speak Indo Euro - A language spoken by Hittites and not Turkic spoken by Turks. peace
kurds are not hittites. the present regions kurds inhabit are outside the hittite ruled areas and more closely to the assyrian ruled areas. Most likely kurds are muslim descendants of assyrians, and the christian kurds call themself assyrian.
Actually it is very possible that Kurds are partly Descended from the Ancient Hittites. Archaeological evidence points to the fall of Hattusa relocating in South eastern turkey and Northern Iraq where Neo Hittite states emerged after the break of the Empire. Kurds also fit the description. They speak Indo European and look like Hittites according to depictions. Long bent noses etc. Most Turks in Turkey are not ethnically Turkish, but thats another story. Peace
Hittites are not Turks... hittites did not come from Central Asia... the Turks invaded the Anatolian Lands as Seljuks... and Hittites are IndoEuropean... Turks are Turkic
its simple, native turks from central asia were incorporated into the byzantine army in exchange for lands and marriage with local natives in anatolia. When the turks entered anatolia they were an army consisting of men and mengled with the population which created the so called "anatolian turk". So the ancestory of the anatolian turk can be traced to ancient greek and hittite on the maternal side and turkic on the paternal side.
Under the ottoman empire some remained christian while others converted to islam, and the same happened with the other populations.
In fact, when the ottoman empire was at its end in the beginning of the 20th century, the greek speaking population of the empire and the turkic speaking population of the empire were identical people, only to be divided by their religion.
BLACKS DIDNT COME FROM A CURSED NATION WHICH WAS SAID TO BE OF HAM. HISTORY IS ALL TWISTED UP MISSING BIT AND LIES THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SET ALL QUESTION STRI8T IS THE ALMIGHTYHIMSELF. SEEK HIM AND THERE THE TRUTH ABID.
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dravidians are L dna and canaanites in prophets and patriarchs it say 2times nimrod is son of cush son of canaan not cush ibn ham blacks and ethiopians are from him
info below is from wikipedia!
L was found in 51% of Syrians from Al-Raqqah, a northern Syrian city in which its previous inhabitants have been wiped out by the Mongols by and repopulated in recent times by localBedouin populations and Chechen war refugees. In a small sample of Israeli Druze haplogroup L was found in 7 out of 20 (35%
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Syria 51.0% (33/65) of Syrians in Al-Raqqah,( 31.0% of Eastern Syrians) Mirvat El-Sibai et al. 2009[4] Iran 3.4% L1-M76 (4/117) and 2.6% L2-M317 (3/117)
for a total of 6.0% (7/117) haplogroup L in southern Iran
3.0% (1/33) L3-M357 in northern Iran Regueiro et al. 2006(( Turkey 57% in Afshar village,)) 12% (10/83) in Black Sea Region, 4.2% (1/523 L-M349 and 21/523 L-M11(xM27, M349)) Cinnioğlu et al. 2004, Gokcumen (2008)
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Syria 51.0% (33/65) of Syrians in Al-Raqqah,( 31.0% of Eastern Syrians) Mirvat El-Sibai et al. 2009[4] Iran 3.4% L1-M76 (4/117) and 2.6% L2-M317 (3/117)
for a total of 6.0% (7/117) haplogroup L in southern Iran
3.0% (1/33) L3-M357 in northern Iran Regueiro et al. 2006(( Turkey 57% in Afshar village,)) 12% (10/83) in Black Sea Region, 4.2% (1/523 L-M349 and 21/523 L-M11(xM27, M349)) Cinnioğlu et al. 2004, Gokcumen (2008)
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The subclades of Haplogroup L with their defining mutation(s), according to the 2011 ISOGG tree:
L (M11, M20, M22, M61/Page43, M185)
L* Found only in Europe from Ireland to Eastern Europe[26]
L1 (M295) Found from Western Europe to South Asia [27]
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L1*
L1a (M27, M76, P329) Found frequently in Indians, Sri Lankans, andBalochs, with a moderate distribution in other populations of Pakistan, southern Iran, and Arabia but also in European populations
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L1b (M317) Found at low frequency in Central Asia, Southwest Asia, and Central Europe
L1b*
L1b1 (M349) Principally found in Europe
L1b2 (M274)
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L1c (M357) Found frequently among Burushos, Kalashas, Chechensand Pashtuns, with a moderate distribution among other populations inPakistan, Georgia, northern Iran, India, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia
L1c*
L1c1 (PK3) Found frequently among Kalash
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Mari (modern Tell Hariri, Syria) was an ancient( Sumerian and Amorite city), located 11 kilometers north-west of the modern town of Abu Kamal on the western bank of Euphrates river, some 120 km southeast of Deir ez-Zor, Syria. It is thought to have been inhabited since the 5th millennium BC, although it flourished with series of superimposed palaces that spans a thousand years, from 2900 BC until 1759 BC, when it was sacked by Hammurabi.[1]
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Abu Kamal (Arabic: أبو كمال, Turkish: Ebu Kemal or Kışla) is a city in eastern Syria on theEuphrates River near the border with Iraq. The Euphrates divides Abu Kamal into two areas: Shamiyya (belonging to the Levant) and Jazira (belonging to Mesopotamia) Al-Jazira, a plains region consisting of northeastern Syria and northwestern Iraq, quite distinct from the Syrian Desertand lower-lying central Mesopotamia.
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Abu Kamal is an economically prosperous farming region with cattle-breeding, cereals, and cotton crops. It is also home to the historical site Dura-Europos and the ancient kingdom of Mari.
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The Mediterranean Peoples (Dravidians)
(Extracts from ‘The Original Indians â€" An Enquiry’ by Dr. A. Desai)
How the Mediterranean people came to be called Dravidians makes interesting story. The Pre-Hellenistic Lycians of Asi Minor, who where probably the Mediterranean stock called themselves Trimmili. Another tribe of this branch in the island of Crete was known by the name Dr(a)mil or Dr(a)miz.
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In ancient Sanskrit writings we find the terms Dramili and Dravidi, and then Dravida which referred to the southern portion of India.
South India was known to the ancient Greek and Roman geographers as Damirica or Limurike. Periplus Maris Erithroei (Periplus of the Eritrean Sea) in the second or third century AD described the maritime route followed by Greek ships sailing to the South Indian ports: â
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€œThen follow Naoura and Tundis, the first marts of Limurike and after these Mouziris and Nelkunda, the seats of government.â€
Dramila, Dravida and Damirica indicated the territory. Then it was applied to the people living in the territory and the language they spoke, in the local parlance Tamil and Tamil Nadu or Tamilakam
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The Mediterraneans or Dravidians were associated with the ancient Sumerian civilizations of Mesopotamia and of Elam (southern Iran). Authors have pointed out ethnic, linguistic and cultural affinities between the Sumerians (Mesopotamians) and the Dravidians of South India, and concluded that both probably belonged to the same ethnic stock
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HR Hall writes: “The ethnic type of the Sumerians, so strongly marked in their statues and relofs was as different from those of the races which surrounded them as was their language from those of the Semites, Aryans and others; they were decidedly Indian in type.
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The face-type of the average Indian today is no doubt much the same as that of the Dravidian race ancestors thousands of years ago...And it is to this Dravidian ethnic type of India that the ancient Sumerian bears most resemblance, so far as we can judge from his monuments
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He was very like a Southern Hindu of the Deccan (who still speaks Dravidian languages). And it is by no means improbable that the Sumerians were an Indian tribe which passed, certainly by land, perhaps also by sea, through Persia to the valley of the Two Rivers.â€
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Hall is of the opinion that Dravidian people must have migrated to Mesopotamia from India, whereas others think Dravidians came from Mediterranean regions, which was their earlier home. KP Padmanabha Menon writes about their close relationship: “Orientalists, many of them, are prepared to concede that the Sumerians, the Mediterranean race, are branches of the early Dravidians.â€
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Elamo-Harappan origins for Haplogroup J2 in India?
The presence of Haplogroup J2 in India, including the subclades M410 and M241 has been an often overlooked clue to the origins of M172. Sengupta et al, in 2005 worked to explain the presence of M172 in India. Their paper provides an immediate acknowledgement of the proposed spread of prot
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Elamo-Dravidian speaking peoples into India originating from the Indus Valley and southwest Persia. The idea that M172 may have been carried into India with proto-Elamo-Dravidian groups is supported by the frequencies of Haplogroup J in one of the only remaining Dravidian Speaking ethnic groups in the Iranian Plateau, the Brahui. 28% of the Brahui
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an ethnic Dravidian speaking group from Western Pakistan were found to carry the mutation defining Haplogroup J. Overall Haplogroup J2 in India represented 9.1% of this very populous nation. In Pakistan, M172 accounted for 11.9% of the Y-Chromosomes typed. Sengupta's paper broke down the frequencies of Haplogroup J2 into various caste and language groups
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J2 was found to be significantly higher among Dravidian castes at 19% than among Indo-European castes at 11%. J2a-M410 in particular may be a strong candidate for a proposed migration of proto-Dravidian peoples from the Iranian Plateau or the Indus Valley since J2a M410 is a very high component of the haplogroup J2 chromosomes found in Pakistan. Over 71% of the M172 found in Pakistan was M410+
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Another interesting characteristic in the distribution of M172 and more specifically, M410, in India was its higher frequencies in Upper Caste Dravidians. M410+ chromosomes were found in 13% of Upper Caste Dravidians. Sengupta goes on to suggest an Indian origin of Dravidian speakers but from a Y chromosome perspective, the paper seems to acknowledge M172 arriving in India from Middle Eastern and Indus Valley Civilizations
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and for the donkey with shit 4 brains in prophets and patriarchs it mention 2 times nimrod was son of cush son of canaan son of ham i have dreamt of the Prophet PBH 10times 2 times i dreamt the dravidians are the sumerians and 1time they are from canaan and that the blacks and ethiopians are from the other cush who is son of ham i also have dreamt a map of iraq and i see the iraqi kurds very close to the semitic jews
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arameans are know as assyrian as well
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Aramaeans in later antiquity
Aramaeans continued to be the majority population in their homeland, which is in effect most of modern Syria and part of south central Asia Minor until well after the Arab Islamic conquest of the 7th century AD. A number of Aramaean kingdoms sprung up in the region, the most important being Palmyra
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There was some synthesis with Arab peoples (and possibly Greeks and Phoenicians also), and the Nabatean civilisation of what is today Jordan and southern Syria had an essentially a mixed Aramaean-Arab identity. From the 2nd Century AD they began to adopt Christianity in increasing numbers, and by the 4th Century AD the population was largely Christian.
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After the Arab Islamic conquest of the region in the 7th Century AD, Aramaeans gradually became a minority in their homelands, the language was gradually replaced by Arabic, as ever increasing numbers of Arabs, (together with Turkic and Iranic peoples) began to move into the region
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((( Those indigenous peoples who converted to Islam rapidly lost their Aramaean identity, intermixed with the Arab rulers and essentially became Arabs.)))) However, a proportion of the population resisted the process of Arabization and Islamification, retaining Western Aramaic language and Christian faith.
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iraqi kurds being the closest to semitic jews has nothing to do with the jewish thing medes and chaldeans intermarried so i dont know what some shit for brains is talking about? 1% semitic what is this ass saying lying trying to deceive people 28%.4%j2 and 11.6% j1 a total of 40 %
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Jordanian, Lebanese, Turks also cluster closer to Assyrians,(( but not as strong as the Iraqi Arab or Kurds,))
The Genetics of Modern Assyrians and their Relationship to Other People of the Middle East
by Dr. Joel J. Elias - Professor (Emeritus), University of California School of Medicine, San Francisco
Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:55 am CST
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The authors of the book "The History and Geography of Human Genes"1, published in 1994, and the abridged version in 1962, took on the monumental task of analyzing the vast number of research articles written about genetic properties of different human populations.
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The senior author, Prof. L.L. Cavalli-Sforza, Professor of Genetics at Stanford University, is considered one of the preeminent human population geneticists in the world, a field that he has been working in for over forty years. After eight years of collecting this massive information, the authors spent several more years doing the genetic and statistical analyses using sophisticated computer methods
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The objective was nothing less than to define the genetic variations in the entire human population of the world and, from that information, to trace the origin and migration of modern humans to their present locations on the planet (hence the "History and Geography" in the title). As the American Journal of Human Genetics stated
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This book represents a landmark in biology. There is nothing of its kind... where the evolutionary history of a single species possessing a cosmopolitan distribution is distilled from genetic, morphological, and cultural data.
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It represents an essential historical source for all human biologists ... " And as the New York Times said, "Perhaps more than anyone else in his field, Dr. Cavalli-Sforza ... has been able to make sense of the whisperings of human ancestors that are recorded in the genes of present-day people."
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For their study, the authors chose to use data from only those populations that had been in the same geographic area for at least 500 years. They considered them as the native indigenous people of an area ("aboriginal") that could be used to trace human population origins, relationships and migrations.
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From analysis of the genes in these populations, it became possible to determine not only the genetic makeup of a people and the genetic relationships of different groups to each other, but also to measure the "genetic distance" between them. The analyses showed that there were sufficient data to provide statistically significant information on the genetic characteristics of 491 different human populations.
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Assyrians were one of them3-6. In this article, we will focus on the knowledge that has been gained about Assyrians and the genetic relationships between Assyrians and their neighbors, with the hope that it will lead to better understanding between the people of the Middle East.
Members of a specific human population, for example an ethnic group, identify with each other by a shared language and also by cultural, religious, social, geographic, and other features which are held in common
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They distinguish themselves from other groups by the same criteria. What are "hidden" from external view are genetically determined attributes of the type that are only brought into the light by scientific methods such as those described in this book, and they reveal a very important component of a group - its genetic character
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This can provide both a genetic definition of a group and also its relationships to other groups that would not be apparent otherwise. The use of language along with genetics to define groups is very useful, but linguistic change can occur much faster than genetic change and "languages are sometimes replaced by others of totally different origin in a very short time", as will be pointed out later in this article
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As the authors state, "Only genes almost always have the degree of permanence necessary for discussing" the changes in populations that took place in the history of our species.
I have attempted the difficult task of presenting this information for the general reader in a concise way without compromising accuracy. Technical terms placed in parentheses are informative but not essential to understanding the basic ideas
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But one technical element is crucial to the understanding of this information and I must briefly discuss it here. The chemical substance that makes up genes is DNA. A specific gene controlling the formation of a specific product may undergo a chemical alteration in its DNA ("mutation")
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The product that it forms will then also be altered. We now have two forms of the same gene ("alleles") in the population and different individuals can get different forms of the gene. In the case of the familiar A, B, AB, and O blood types, whether an individual has the A form of the gene, the B form, or neither, determines the blood type
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A human population can be genetically characterized by determining the distribution of the various forms of genes within that population ("gene frequency") - for example, what percentage of the population has the A, B, or O gene. When this is done for enough people and for enough different genes a "genetic profile" emerges for that population. Genes control the synthesis of proteins.
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In the "classical" studies that form the greater part of the material in the Cavalli-Sforza et al. book, the structure of the protein is analyzed as a genetic marker - the specific structure of the protein reflects the specific structure of the gene that codes for it. The proteins commonly analyzed as genetic markers are those that determine various types of blood groups, enzymes, blood serum proteins, hemoglobin, antibodies and cellular markers of the immune system (HLA system
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. In addition, direct analysis of DNA has recently become increasingly common and, of course, adds to the information pool about the genetic makeup of a people. In his very recent book2a, Cavalli-Sforza says: "Results with DNA have complemented but never contradicted the protein data." An example of DNA analysis will be seen later as part of the discussion of Jewish genetics
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Analysis of the Assyrians shows that they have a distinct genetic profile that distinguishes their population from any other population. It is important to understand that this applies to the population as a whole, not to any one individual
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Each individual can have a variety of genetic features, but it is when all the data for the individuals are assembled together that the population can become distinctive. The authors state that "The Assyrians are a fairly homogeneous group of people, believed
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to originate from the land of old Assyria in northern Iraq," and "they are Christians and are possibly bona fide descendants of their namesakes." The main research paper on Assyrians is that of Akbari et al. (3), who state "that the Assyrians are a group of Christians with a long history in the Middle East. From historical and archeological evidence,
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it is thought that their ancestors formed part of the Mesopotamian civilization." Akbari et al. examined some 500 members of Christian communities in Iran (Armenians and Assyrians from six localities) from whom specimens were obtained and examined for a number of blood group, red cell enzyme and serum protein systems.
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In the case of Assyrians, the researchers studied 18 different gene sites with a total of 47 different forms of those genes (alleles) in Assyrians in two regions of Iran - Urmia and Tehran. The particular gene frequencies of those 47 genes in the population formed the basis, along with the other two studies (4, 5), for establishing the distinctive genetic character of the Assyrians
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A major finding of the study is that Assyrians, especially those in Urmia (their home area in Iran), are genetically homogeneous to a high degree. That is, an individual Assyrian's genetic makeup is relatively close to that of the Assyrian population as a whole
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"The results indicate the relatively closed nature of the [Assyrian] community as a whole," and "due to their religious and cultural traditions, there has been little intermixture with other populations." The small size of the population is also a factor. The genetic data are compatible with historical data that religion played a major role in maintaining the Assyrian population's separate identity during the Christian era.
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For most of that period Assyrians existed as a Christian minority in non-Christian majority populations, and adherence to their religion, abundantly documented in the historical record, would have provided a "genetic barrier" to gene flow from external groups. In analyzing other groups in similar situations, Cavalli-Sforza et al. arrived at this opinion:
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The important conclusion is that the genetic origin of groups that have been surrounded for a long time by populations of different genetic type can be recognized as different only if they have maintained a fairly rigid endogamy
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[ marriage within the group] for most or all the period in which they have been in contact with other groups," although genes contributed by external groups ("gene flow") can be tolerated for many centuries or even millennia by a population, provided they are not on a large scale. Later in this article we will see an analogous situation with Jews,
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where a religious difference allowed them to maintain their genetic characteristics as a minority over many centuries while living among non-Jewish majority populations. In any case, the data provide unequivocal evidence that Assyrians as a people are distinguishable from all other population groups in their genetic characteristics and are not a part of any other population.
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The second important contribution that emerges from the book is seen when genetic relationships are made between the 18 populations of Western Asia for which enough data were available to allow meaningful interpretation. The results are summarized in the "tree" shown in the figure. The horizontal scale at the bottom quantitates the genetic distance between groups
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The individual populations are listed in the general order of their relationships. The three Arab populations at the lowest part of the "tree" (Saudi, Yemeni, Bedouin) are close to each other genetically but are so far separated from the others as to constitute what the authors call a separate "minor cluster." The remaining 15 groups constitute the "major cluster."
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Our primary purpose here is to define the relationships of Assyrians to their closest neighbors in the Middle East, so we will focus on seven groups that appear at the top of the "tree." Of these, Iranian and Iraqi are defined by the country of origin, after exclusion of Kurds. Jordanian, Lebanese and Turkish also mean the country of origin
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Assyrians and Kurds refer to specific groups of people. All those studied were indigenous people of the area whose roots in their geographic locations go back to at least 1500 A.D. Relationship pairings are shown: Turkish and Iranian, and Assyrian and Jordanian are "loose" pairings; Druse and Lebanese form a closer pair; and Iraqi and Kurdish people form an extremely close pairing.
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The closest genetic relationships of the Assyrians are with the native populations of Jordan and Iraq. In point of fact, however, all of the seven populations of interest are quite close to each other. There are no wide separations between any of them. This despite the fact that they contain members of three major language families: Indo-European (Iranian, Kurdish), Turkic
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(Turkish) and Semitic (Iraqi, Jordanian, Lebanese - Arabic; Assyrian - Aramaic). As the authors state, "In spite of the complex history of the Middle East and the great number of internal group migrations revealed by history, as well as the mosaic of cultures and languages, the region is relatively homogeneous" [genetically]
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The least heterogeneous zone of Asia "is observed in the Near East, where the highest population densities have existed the longest, especially in the central part (Mesopotamia). Ten thousand years of agriculture, ancient urban developments, and internal migrations are probably responsible for this homogeneity
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" Thus, in that part of the world with the most ancient civilizations, an underlying genetic homogeneity has been "masked" by great cultural, religious and linguistic heterogeneity.
The latter point is also made in studies of Jews. Based on earlier studies using classical genetic methods7 , Cavalli-Sforza et al. came to the conclusion
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"that Jews have maintained considerable genetic similarity among themselves and with people from the Middle East, with whom they have common origins." Evidence for the latter concept was very convincingly made and extended by an international team of scientists in a very recent research article8
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,widely reported in the press, in which the genetics of different Middle Eastern populations were studied using a completely different method than the classical methods that form the great majority of papers in the Cavalli-Sforza et al book. The research involved direct DNA analysis of the Y chromosome, which is found only in males and is passed down from father to son
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. Seven different Jewish groups from communities in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East were compared to various non-Jewish populations from those areas. The results showed, first of all, that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.
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Furthermore, the genetic characteristics of Jews were shown to be distinctly different from (non-Jewish) Europeans, suggesting that very little admixture occurred between Jews and Europeans, even after about 80 generations of Jews in Europe. There was a similar distinct difference between Jews and North Africans. In striking contrast, there was an "extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations [Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, Druze
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Saudi Arabians] observed here ...[that] supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin" of these populations dating back about 4,000 years. The differences between the populations were not statistically significant, demonstrating once again the close genetic relationship of Middle Eastern populations to each other.
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In fact, the Palestinians and Syrians were so close to the Jews in genetic characteristics that they "mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations." As one of the Israeli scientists on the team said, "Eventually people will realize that they are not that different." Peace through Genetics?
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Let us examine the situation in two areas of the Middle East where a radical change in the population and language occurred rapidly without being accompanied by a significant genetic change, and try to explain it.
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The land that now forms the nation of Turkey (Anatolia) was once a part of Byzantium. Greek (Christian) was the major influence there. The Turkic-speaking people arrived there from Central Asia in the 11th century A.D., spread successfully throughout the land and Turkish eventually became the dominant language as a Turkish nation was established
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Turks are, as the authors state, "the only major group in the region that speak a language originated at a great geographic distance (probably in the Altaic region)." The pre-existing people in Anatolia, however, did not physically disappear. The genetic studies show that the majority became part of the new Turkish population.
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The genetic constitution of the Turks today is much closer to their nearest geographic neighbors, although none is a Turkic-language population, than to the Turkic-speaking populations of Central Asia. The authors interpret this to mean that "the Turkish language was imposed on a predominantly Indo-European-speaking population (Greek being the official language of the Byzantine empire), and genetically there is very little difference between Turkey and the neighboring countries.
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The number of Turkish invaders was probably rather small and was genetically diluted by the large number of aborigines." And [ in Turkey] "language replacement has occurred essentially without, or with very little, gene replacement."
In view of the authors' theory explaining the genetic characteristics of the population in Turkey, it seems reasonable to consider the possibility that a similar type of event may have occurred in the
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Arab world of Mesopotamia and its adjacent regions - Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon (and presumably also Syria and Palestine) - to explain the genetic characteristics of those populations. In the 7th century A.D., after the conversion to Islam,
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the Arabs of the Arabian peninsula conquered large areas, including Mesopotamia and adjacent regions. Arabic became the major language of the region and an Arab nation was established there under Islam. But again, the pre-existing indigenous population, mainly Christian (including Assyrians), did not physically disappear, and the majority must have become part of the Arab population
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Looking at the figure, one sees a very large genetic separation between the Arabs of the South - Saudis, Yemenites - and those in the region of Mesopotamia - Jordanian, Iraqi. The latter two groups are much closer genetically to the four non-Arab people of the region that we are interested in (Turk, Iranian, Kurd, Assyrian) than to the Arabs of the Arabian peninsula.
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As in the case of the Turks in Anatolia, these findings provide a clue that a relatively small number of Arabs from the Arabian peninsula may have carried out the conquest of a region with a much larger population, which included a number of cities, and that although the dominant language, religion and culture changed, the genes of the previous population may not have been significantly diluted and were transmitted to the present population of that region.
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Finally, as seen in the figure, the two Indo-European language populations, the Iranians and the Kurds, are genetically closer to the Turks and the Semitic language group of Iraqi, Jordanian, Lebanese, Assyrian,)))))))))))))))))))))))))) than they are to their nearest Indo-European language speaking neighbors - Armenian, Pathan, Hazara Tajiki
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In fact, the figure shows that the latter are part of a separate subcluster from the one in which the Iranians and Kurds are located.
The results of these scientific studies lead to the startling realization that Turks, Iranians, Kurds, Iraqis, Jordanians, Lebanese are more closely related genetically to Assyrians than they are to other members of their own respective language families in Asia. These seven groups (and Jews) are genetically close.
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The great language, cultural and religious differences are not reflected in the most fundamental aspect of their biology - their genes, which are the most accurate indicators of their shared origins and ancestry. If this were widely known, would the Assyrians seem so "different" to the others? Would changes in attitude begin to take place, especially among the intellectual and academic communities and the younger generations?
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We stand with hope at the dawn of a new millennium. For mankind in general, the future holds exciting scientific prospects for understanding our past and present genetic nature. The tiniest amounts of DNA recovered from people who died thousands of years ago can now be exactly reproduced billions of times, providing abundant material for analyzing the genetic nature of ancient ancestors ("genetic archeology").
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The "whisperings of our ancestors" can now be heard by us with our DNA amplifiers. Molecular genetics is poised to take understanding of the human race to heights undreamed of just a few years ago. Within the year there will occur one of the most momentous events in human history - the complete definition of the entire human genetic code (genome) of about 100,000 genes ("human genome project").
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We will be able to see the complete DNA blueprint for creating a human being, God's handwritten letter to us9. Future research will show how little difference there is between us in our DNA, giving us an unparalleled opportunity to understand how much of our humanity we hold in common.
(((Also standing at the dawn of the new millennium are the Assyrians - on the brink of extinction. For over 1900 years since they accepted Christianity and established the Church of the East, the
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Assyrians in the Middle East have survived for the most part as a religious and language minority. While this preserved their identity and kept them from disappearing, it came at a terrible price. The history of the Assyrians reads like one long unbroken story of massacre, persecution and indescribable horror, culminating in the 20th century with genocide and diaspora, followed by even more persecution and massacre.
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Was it just a coincidence that the first fratricide occurred in the Middle East, when Cain murdered his brother Abel? Will we ever be free of the curse of Cain? Will the younger generations of the Middle East release their souls from the dark forces of the past? Will the knowledge that Assyrians are their "blood relatives" begin to change the perception of Middle Eastern people about Assyrians? Will it be too late for the Assyrians?))))))))))))))
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References and Footnotes
Cavalli-Sforza, L.L., Menozzi, P. and Piazza, A. The History and Geography of Human Genes. 1994. Princeton University Press. Unabridged Edition. As above, Abridged Paperback Edition. 1996. Contains the text of the Unabridged Edition, but not the hundreds of pages of genetic maps; has an index, and references to literature that were cited in the text
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Only the unabridged version has the references for research articles that were used to arrive at each population group's genetic analysis, listed by name for each population; also, the tables of gene frequencies. 2a. Cavalli-Sforza, L.L. Genes, Peoples, and Languages. 2000. North Point Press (division of Farrar, Straus and Giroux), New York. The book is a summation of the author's work written for the general reade
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What is intersting the Assyrians are very close to their Muslim neighbours in Iraq,Jordan, and Lebanon, well those of Bedouin origins are more related to the Saudis and Yemenites. Also the Saudi, Yemenite, and Bedouins form their own Caucasoid minor cluster which seperates them from other Middle Easterners and Europeans being an almost isolate sub-racial group.
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The Bedouins like the Gypsies in Europe, differ in their genetic makeup from their host populations, and show a direct link to Arabia. Well Iraqis being the closet people to modern day Assyrians, showing that Arabization of Iraq was in fact a lingusitic and cultural transition, however their was also the breif peroid of Persianization. Then its followed by Jordanians and Lebanese. The Iraqi Kurds are very close to Assyrians in their genetic makeup, and probably have shifted into an Iranic tongue
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Thus all groups in Iraq decent from a common ancester with a limited gene flow from various male invaders, who intermarried with the local female population. Jordanian, Lebanese, Turks also cluster closer to Assyrians,((( but not as strong as the Iraqi Arab or Kurds))), showing again their common genetic ancestery
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medes(kurds) & chaldeans (Prophet Abraham PBH was chaldean)
Nebuchadnezzar II was the eldest son, and successor, of Nabopolassar, who delivered Babylon from its dependence on Assyria and laid Nineveh in ruins.
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According to Berossus, some years before he became king of Babylon, ((((Nebuchadnezzar II married Amytis of Media, the daughter or granddaughter of Cyaxares, king of the Medes, and thus the Median and Babylonian dynasties were united.))))))
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Nabopolassar was intent on annexing the western provinces of Syria from Necho II (who was still hoping to restore Assyrian power), and to this end dispatched his son westward with a powerful army. In the ensuing Battle of Carchemish in 605 BC, the Egyptian army was defeated and driven back, and Syria and Phoenicia were brought under the control of Babylon. Nabopolassar died in
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August of that year, and Nebuchadnezzar returned to Babylon to ascend to the throne.
After the defeat of the Cimmerians and Scythians,(((( all of Nebuchadnezzar's expeditions were directed westwards, although the powerful Median empire lay to the north. Nebuchadnezzar's political marriage to Amytis of Media, the daughter of the Median king, had ensured peace between the two empires.)))))))))))))) from wikipdeia
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However, it soon became apparent that the CMH is not specific to Jews or descendants of Jews. In a 1998 article in Science News, Dr. Skorecki indicated (in an interview) that some non-Jews also possess the Cohen markers, and that the markers are therefore not "unique or special
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.(((((( The CMH is very common among Iraqi Kurds, according to a 1999 study by C. Brinkmann et al.)))))))))) And in her 2001 article, Oppenheim wrote: "The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH...
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" (Oppenheim 2001, page 1100). Furthermore, the CMH is also found among some Armenians, according to Dr. Levon Yepiskoposyan (Head of the Institute of Man in Yerevan, Armenia), who has studied genetics for many years. Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin wrote: "The suggestion that the 'Cohen modal haplotype' is a signature haplotype for the ancient Hebrew population is also not supported by data from other populations." (Zoossmann-Diskin 2000, page 156)
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In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. However, its existence among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today's Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region.
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In human genetics, Haplogroup J (previously known as HG9 or Eu9/Eu10) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is one of the major male lines of all living men. It is divided into two main branches referred to as J1 and J2. wikipedia))))
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The relationship of the five modal haplotypes that were found in the six populations is presented in figure 3. The most-frequent haplotype in all three Jewish groups (the CMH [haplotype 159 in the Appendix]) segregated on a Eu 10 background, together with the three modal haplotypes in Palestinians and Bedouin (haplotypes 144, 151, and 166).
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((( The dominant haplotype of the Muslim Kurds (haplotype 114) was only one microsatellite-mutation step apart from the CMH and the modal haplotype of the Bedouin, but it belonged to haplogroup Eu 9. )))
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The three modal haplotypes in the Palestinians and Bedouin were entirely restricted to the two Arab populations. On the other hand, chromosomes with the modal haplotypes of the Jews and of the Muslim Kurds were observed in all the populations except the Bedouin.
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The three Jewish communities had many additional haplotypes in common with Muslim Kurds (table 3). They shared more haplotypes and chromosomes with Muslim Kurds than with either Palestinians or Bedouin.
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Y-DNA Haplogroups in Iraqi Kurdistan
(J2 - 28.4% semitic)
R1b - 16.8%
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I - 16.8%
R1a - 11.6%
(J1 - 11.6% semitic)
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E1b1b - 7.4%
G - 4.2%
T - 3.2
rasheed1669 1 month ago
someone is telling lies about the kurds too funny they indeed have much semitic heritage
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the Mitanni, the deities Mitra, Varuna, Indra, and Nasatya (Ashvins) are invoked. Kikkuli's horse training text includes technical terms such as aika (eka, one), tera (tri, three), panza (pancha, five), satta (sapta, seven), na (nava, nine), vartana (vartana, turn, round in the horse race). The numeral aika "one" is of particular importance because it places the superstrate in the vicinity of Indo-Aryan proper as opposed to Indo-Iranian or early Iranian (which has "aiva") in general [2]
goran21715 4 months ago
hahahaha this is an epic documentary
redriver4145 11 months ago
Cheers guys! A bit less serious take on documentaries.Nice outfits!
Thumbs up!
Aurinkohirvi 11 months ago
Compare Kardim(realname of the chaldanes) with Chittim(Hittites).And ancient lands of Arzawa,Kizzuwatna and the empire Mitanni were called kujrwannes states and her female maingod was sawuska(like xwisk in kurdish,Schwester in german,chwaer in cymraeg,xahar in persian,soror in latin,sister in english)
Nassieful 1 year ago
My God Kurds are NOT Hattites. Kurds are an Indo-Iranian people who came from Central Asia and related to Afghans Urdu and Sankrit Indians. Hittites were indo-Europian but NOt of Iranic branch but of anatolian Branch. Hitties are not Kurds.
xSouthxKURDISTAN 1 year ago 5
@xSouthxKURDISTAN Kurds are not just Indo Iranian! Kurds are mixed nomadic people with many ancestor in smae place wich is today kurdistan!
First ancestor is Gutians, Kardouchian, medes, mittani, and some more.
Gutians kings had sumerians names, Nothing is known about Gutians, but whats known is Gutians had kings with sumerians name, that mean Gutians camed from the blood of sumerians and they also camed from sumerians civilisation.
1Azadman 1 year ago
@1Azadman iraqi kurds carru 28.4%j2 semitic and 11.6% j1 semitic the dominant halotype of the muslim kurds is eu9 means j2 semitic the iraqi kurds and iraqi arabs cluster the closest to the aramean assyrians and are the closest to the semitic jews
sumerians are the dark dravidians who are from canaan
rasheed1669 1 month ago
@rasheed1669 you talking shit, go read the dna of kurds, the whole kurds have under 1% semitic blood, only 10% of the jewish kurds have semitic dna, and there is no things as iraqi kurds, it's south kurdish people, so don't try with anything, south kurdish people have a semitic dna under 2%, you donkey must knows that sumerians were not dravidian by language or dna, they were semitic people from dessert of arabia, kurds descend from native indoeuropean ancestors to caucasus and zagros moutnains!
1Azadman 1 month ago
@xSouthxKURDISTAN iranic branch comes later, kurds have a village named mittani, the iranians were the pure indoeuropeans from europe and to india, the iranians means the root of indoeuropean peoples, the kurds are the root of iranians and indoeuropeans people, kurds have dna related with western peoples, thats proven and thats you can read about, kurds descend form the median empire, the medes assimialted all kind of indoeuropeic empires from anatolia to elam empires which is today kurdistan!
1Azadman 1 month ago
@xSouthxKURDISTAN kurds existed long before the empire of MEDIA/MEDES, the real name of GUTIANS! are KURTI existed around 2500 B.C, the assyrian/akkadian king considered the gutian/kurti peoples be among the arartians, the arartians and hurrites were same people, the hurrites hittites were also same, the mittani were descend of hurrian and later the hittite empire, all kind of indoeuropiec empires down to elam fall down under the empire of media and become with same culture.
1Azadman 1 month ago
@xSouthxKURDISTAN the name of hurrian were KUR in assyrian sourches, so ofcoruse that the anatolian none semitic empires are genitacaly ancestor to modern day of kurds! kurds have dna related with armenians, means kurds were hurrians. look at the name, HURRIAN, KURD, GUTI name were KURTI, more sound that kurds descend from hurrians and native indoeuopenas people from anatolia to zagros mountains there kurds normaly dominate. all empires from anatolia down to zagros mountains become united Media
1Azadman 1 month ago
@xSouthxKURDISTAN media defended itself from immigrations from south and later become one united and supported be same empire as MEDIA/MADAI, around 700 B.C, assyria invaded the territorium of MANNAI, assyrian and the semitic empire were enemy to hurrians, gutians, lullubians, hittites and the none semitic territroiums untils all they were defeated by united empire against semitic empires. medes were supported by the anatolian zagros mountains peoples to rule this territroiums as empire of MEDIA
1Azadman 1 month ago
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UpForALark 2 years ago
Oh, so thats where treaties come from.
vitaminsandstds 2 years ago
Kurds r Hittites and we r so proud of it<3
ooohelll 2 years ago
You RUINED a high academic topic by acting STUPID during presentation! I give you an "F"
Signed. Professor Hughes
Amalgamaite 2 years ago
bu the way kurds are orginly Hittites because its the same area they live in + kurds speak indo-europian langauge+turkish people came from mongolia to anatolia after the Hittites empire.remmeber no one can change history!!!
ooohelll 2 years ago
ooohell, stupid ass, how can hitities be kurds, when hitities were not an iranian folk???
according to historicians, hitities came from georgian, they had a language, which was very smilar to the georgian language...
anatolia`s oldest inhabitants like sumerians, assyrians and hitities were not aryan...
burcu1983 2 years ago
I have more info on the descendants of the HITTITES on my (youtube channel).
EVERYONE is invited to my channel; just click on my name and it should take you right straight to it.
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PhoenicianGoddess 2 years ago
Read 'All are modern discoveries' as' All modern discoveries'.
Saraswathiputra 2 years ago
All are modern discoveries prove the the origin of Aryan from the dried Saraswathi basin of ancient India.I can prove it and I challenge!
Simply denying make lies into truth?Is it?
Saying others as kids and foolish could not redeem those who telling foolish things from idiot ism!!
Saraswathiputra 2 years ago
Kids playing history!!! DOn't worry, any non-fiction start with armature fictions.
Shirio77 2 years ago
fck you sons of btches, dont disturb us with your stupit clip searching documantary film.
ushiman44 2 years ago
Sign on the dotted line, alright. Dam these people started it? Now that's something people could have done without.
jaymorpheus01 2 years ago
Kurds are a mix of Semites and Aryans, they're not descendants of Hittites at all.
Also, the white Jews of today are not Semitic, they're descendants of Khazar Turkic peoples, of Khazaria, a dead empire. Judea has been dead longer though.
Kurds are more Semitic than the majority of Jews today.
AnaMurida 2 years ago
I agree that the majority of Jews are Ashkenazim/Khazar's and not original Jews (or Hebrews). I also partly agree that Kurds are a mix of Semetic according to genetic evidence, but I'm not well read enough on the subject. It would be jumping to conclusions to say Kurds are not descended of Hittites at all though, as i believe there can definitely be some connections made between the two. More research needs to be done, people mostly guess the origins of Hittites since it is unknown.
EmceeGrey 2 years ago
When talking genetic evidence, you better provide sources kid!
Shirio77 2 years ago
Does genetic material prove geographic origin?
tuvoca 2 years ago
in very good extend. Actually the "National Geographic" is creating a huge data base. It is not 100% completed by in some extend, they can even trace your ancestor all the way to major rout of immigration. At least to few generation, they are enough accurate to give you the idea.
Shirio77 2 years ago
AnaMurida,
You need to file a pattern on your discoveries. Come on kid! Educate yourself before posting comment.
Shirio77 2 years ago
Hittites were ancient Aryan migration out of India
Now,past fake theories one by one disproved by modern discoveries.
It is now proved Aryans invasion never happened as thought previously from west to east but actually from east to west.
Aryan migrated from ancient India to Europe via Iran and Armenia.
Saraswathiputra 2 years ago
No one migrated from India, it is other way around.
Shirio77 2 years ago
thats fucking bullshit. assyrians were slaves under babylon, adopting the babylonian culture. chariots were existed long before the assyrians came into power, and long before egypt had them. They were existend in babylon, made by babylonians.
whiteNshine 2 years ago
explain the black statues in sumeria not mesopatamia. and europeans are not americans. invading a land & claiming it's inheritance as the originators does not make you that people. it makes you a usurper and a lying revisionist. the 1st europeans were also black do your homework puppy.
kullmack 2 years ago
chariots were in egypt long before any assyrians existed; original assyrians from ashur were black and later came the mongrelized aryans from iran/aryan so called noble peoples who were muslims if you know anything ali a black man converted them thus they are called shiya. these people are from india and pakistan just look at them. noble is a title in islam of the shriners who swore to ally and protect the bloodline of the faatimides. and you are an idiot. facts go beyond racism
kullmack 2 years ago
@kullmack the sumerians are the dravidians with straight hair and the elamites were afro asiatic they looked like dravidians but different hair they are from phut dravidians are from canaan the brahui could be the descendants of elamites they speak a dravidian dialect but are nomadic they carry a overall j dna of 28%
rasheed1669 1 month ago
Kurds are Hittites not like mongolian turks.Kurds came from the Caucasian area near from (the Volga river) in Russia.
proud to be aryan forever<3
ooohelll 2 years ago
the word aryan means iranian are you iranian? the english translation means noble it is a title of muslim shriners, and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. just another misinformed white supremecist racist without a real history i guess you are an american too. then who are the native americans, and columbus discovered america you racist idiots deserve death.
kullmack 2 years ago
Yo my brother you need to calm down. I have seen your posts and i see you are familar with the teachings of people like Dr York. You are possibly correct. Sumeria was founded by Nubians in its original pre-dynastic form and i havent researched original Assyrians but i dont doubt their Nubian ancestry. Also, i am aware that Iranian and Aryan are the same, Kurds are of the Iranian speaking family. Also, its very possible that Kurds are descendents of Hittites. Peace Sena.
EmceeGrey 2 years ago
@EmceeGrey they are not nubians bud but dravidians
rasheed1669 1 month ago
Aryan means noble in sanskrit.
quincee33 2 years ago
I know this, your correct. I think that we should concentrate on the meaning of the word instead of the idea of Aryan being an ethnicity.
EmceeGrey 2 years ago
kurds???? huahhahua
kurds are an iranian-indo people who migrated from southeast iran to modern day southeastern turkey.
Turks on the other hand have close relationship with caucasians, they come from the steps to the north of kaukasia (and not from mongolia as everyone else says). Look at the uygur for example, they have 60% european features and resemble turks in anatolia.
whiteNshine 2 years ago
No need to laugh, it is possible that Kurds are somehow related to the Hittites, maybe not fully but connected somehow. If you are suggesting Turks were Hittites then i would have to disagree since the Turks arrived in Anatolia in the 1st Millennium AD, and that genetically most Turks in Turkey are not Turkish at all. Kurds have been there in that area since the Sumerian rule of Mesopotamia. They also speak Indo Euro - A language spoken by Hittites and not Turkic spoken by Turks. peace
EmceeGrey 2 years ago
whats the song at the beggining
mrgarrisoncoley 2 years ago
"Requim for a Dream"
Requim for a Dream Soundtrack
orrin73 2 years ago
hitites did not create chariots or treaties;khemet had all these things and civilized the savage hitites
kullmack 2 years ago
read my comments from below to up.
whiteNshine 3 years ago
Too bad there are no Hittites left...
Hosea22 3 years ago
yes there is lol they call themself kurds at this days
kurdlands 3 years ago
kurds are not hittites. the present regions kurds inhabit are outside the hittite ruled areas and more closely to the assyrian ruled areas. Most likely kurds are muslim descendants of assyrians, and the christian kurds call themself assyrian.
whiteNshine 3 years ago
Actually it is very possible that Kurds are partly Descended from the Ancient Hittites. Archaeological evidence points to the fall of Hattusa relocating in South eastern turkey and Northern Iraq where Neo Hittite states emerged after the break of the Empire. Kurds also fit the description. They speak Indo European and look like Hittites according to depictions. Long bent noses etc. Most Turks in Turkey are not ethnically Turkish, but thats another story. Peace
EmceeGrey 2 years ago
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AnaMurida 2 years ago
In fact there are a lot of hittites left.
whiteNshine 3 years ago
Hittites are not Turks... hittites did not come from Central Asia... the Turks invaded the Anatolian Lands as Seljuks... and Hittites are IndoEuropean... Turks are Turkic
jfrd28 3 years ago
I hate to break it to you, but the turks of anatolia are descendants from hittites, turks and ancient greeks.
whiteNshine 3 years ago
really? wow... so they are not from central asia??? so did the hittites interbreed with turks? or are the turks natives of anatolia???
jfrd28 3 years ago
its simple, native turks from central asia were incorporated into the byzantine army in exchange for lands and marriage with local natives in anatolia. When the turks entered anatolia they were an army consisting of men and mengled with the population which created the so called "anatolian turk". So the ancestory of the anatolian turk can be traced to ancient greek and hittite on the maternal side and turkic on the paternal side.
whiteNshine 3 years ago
Under the ottoman empire some remained christian while others converted to islam, and the same happened with the other populations.
In fact, when the ottoman empire was at its end in the beginning of the 20th century, the greek speaking population of the empire and the turkic speaking population of the empire were identical people, only to be divided by their religion.
whiteNshine 3 years ago