@StevenErnest Well. First let me thank you very much for the simple way of this intro which means you paid a big effort to make that simple. i also would like to express my respect to you and your honesty admitting that you donot know the answers of my questions. LOL Sorry but actually there is a source of information for those questions and much more than such issues if you also want to know more about judiasim in general the only complete source is the Holly Quraan, try it you'll lose nothing.
@nabil12345100 If you look at my reading list in the info area, you'll see I'm mainly interested in the Hermetic tradition of Kabbalah.
Re, "...about judiasim (sic) in general the only complete source is the Holly Quraan,"
Oh, not the Torah or Talmud?
I accept no one system of religion as having all the answers, as none do. They each have a piece of the puzzle. Existentialism, modern science, and the evolving new myths have much to teach us. "Try it, you'll lose nothing." ^_^
@Tallykoren Thank you so much, I really appreciate it! ^_^
I received a notice that you posted a video response... For some reason I don't see it posting here; I have it set to allow video responses, so I don't want you to feel I'm not accepting it. YT can be quirky.
Hey Steven. I just want to thank you for putting up the link for that video on cosmology from the Dawkins channel in the comments. I'm not an atheist myself but I found it really interesting and informative. Thanks.
@MikeRyu You're talking about the talk, by 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss,..? You're welcome. : ) Yes, that was a Dawkins event, but the science of the big bang is interesting and amazing whatever one's belief is.
@StevenErnest Yes. I'm agnostic meself (currently anyway) in all ways and it's interesting to know what the current scientific thinking is when it comes to the big stuff especially from the hard edge atheist camp. Thanks again!
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hes his own person he can mix whatever he wants an secret societies already ,mix hermetic peagan and kahbalah, look at masons or golden dawn or rosucrucians and has a a lot to do with personal philosphy your nutz kid
I think you have the qualities of Netzach and Hod mixed up, Hod relates to the (Superior) Astral Body and the Astral World which also relates to (Superior) emotion, Netzach on the other hand relates to the Mental Body and Mental World which obviously points towards the mind.
@GUESTIMATE No, I believe I have it correct re Hod is Mind, Science, Language, etc.; Netzach is Emotions, Feelings, Love, etc. This is their basic meanings, simply stated. There are the Four Worlds, so in those there may be a somewhat different nuance to each Sephirah.
I don't really believe in an Astral Body or Astral World, unless that is a metaphor for something else.
What are your sources? I listed mine below in the info area.
True Judaism and sensible kabbalistic practice cannot mix with pagan religion or philosophy - in short steven ernest, you are better off being and christian, a taist or a buddhist because you a re filling your head full of useless gnostic intellectulism and not undestanding G-d or this universe at all.
@MrEliyahuhanavi Well on the flipside it might be a good idea to dig into some of this and see how it ties into Christianity instead of Buddhism or Taoism. I think Christianity is the truth myself and that other religions are either wrong or incomplete, but at the same time it is interesting and useful to "dig around at the borders" to figure out how it all works and fits into what we already know from science and philosophy.
@JohananRaatz I agree that Christianity is probably the most highly developed belief system, meaning understanding the relationship to ea other and to the Creator.... BUT Christianity also has some blind spots... specifically about it's own history, where it came from, what it "owes" it's existence to, etc. I escaped the ignorance of dogmatic Christian mindset by studying the roots of Christianity, that is, Judaism; seeking the actuality of WWJD, what Messiah did and lived and taught.
There is not a man, woman, Rabbi, or Giant in this world nor any other netherworld of your own fabrication that can so much as HINT to Enrnest on what "True Judaism" is, was, or should be. Unlike some people around here, he doesn't appear to have to use a phone to worship a self satisfactory g*D
True Judaism and sensible kabbalistic practice cannot mix with pagan religion or philosophy - in short steven ernest, you are better off being and christian, a taist or a buddhist because you a re filling your head full of useless gnostic intellectulism and not undestanding G-d or this universe at all.
Kabbalah cannot be studied in isolation, it is part and parcel of Judaism - it is esoteric Judaism, deep rooted thoughts from Torah. Also Judaism does not refer to G-d as Yaw-eh or any other name, nor does Judaism talk about the "bing bang" or any new age vibe. Modern kabbalah, that which Hollywood has embraced is nothing more than pagan practice.
Kabbalah cannot be studied in isolation, it is part and parcel of Judaism - it is esoteric Judaism, deep rooted thoughts from Torah. Also Judaism does not refer to G-d as Yaw-eh or any other name, nor does Judaism talk about the "bing bang" or any new age vibe. Modern kabbalah, that which Hollywood has embraced is nothing more than pagan practice.
The Kabbalah is an ancient jewish mystical tradition that shouldn't be yanked from its roots. This is pretty much the same thing as Madonna and her red bendel (wrist string). Kabbalah and paganism don't mix. It's like breaking the system. Once it's broken, it doesn't work because you go off into left field.
@Alt0nsy I respect your belief. However, the system I am discussing here is NOT in anyway related to Madonna or the infamous Kabbalah Center.
This has nothing to do with paganism: I am presenting Kabbalah -- or, Qabala -- of the Western Hermetic Tradition. It is common for philosophical systems to be interpreted and developed further by others. If you do not approve, that is fine, but you should better understand what you are criticizing.
@StevenErnest Really, because it certainly seems like they are the same thing. As was mentioned, Kabbalah is Jewish, no matter how you mention it. It should not be seperated, because it truly is NOT a religion. Those who like the concepts should start a new religion based on what they think should be in it, instead of copy and pasting.
@StevenErnest I'm sorry if I offended you, but it depends on how you define paganism. Many magickal systems of today are based on Hermetic Kabbalah (Golden Dawn, O.T.O, elements in Wicca and Neopaganism)
If anything, the tree of life represents the human condition and nothing more. With the crown being your mind, and the kingdom being your actual physical self. As stated before, the orbs only represent human nature. They cannot represent Our world(physical, and intellectual). This is where Kabbalah is flawed. If one interprets the tree as the universe, the world, and everything else; then they have surely been the subject of misinterpretation.
@nickpapageorgio Yes, there is a correspondence to the human condition, but to deny a connection to the universe, and other systems -- esp of philosophy and myths -- is to ignore a vast body of relevant material.
I use Kabbalah as one system of metaphors and models, it has many correspondences to universal abstract concepts.
"Flawed?" You have the right to your opinion, but I do not see what it is based on.
@StevenErnest Flawed was the wrong word. I realized this after I had commented. Ignore it. I personally feel that, although everything in the universe is connected(Atomically), that one cannot apply the human condition to the universe itself. Very interesting theory, though. Thank you for sharing.
@Illustratos Lol, your unique comment has me perplexed -- I can't quite tell if you are being positive or sarcastic, or even ironic. One thing is for sure: The consequences will never be the same. ^_^
Hi... i like your paintings :p i come from a Buddhist background.. and stumbled upon this outta interest... been reading/viewing about Vedanta and more recently Kabbalah and Sufism..its all very interesting :)
@Sunny066 Thank you! The poster of The Tree of Life is not mine -- it is published by the Builders of the Adytum. Info below. And the art work I borrowed from people on the internet.
Yes, I see a parallel of Kabbalah with Eastern Philosophy, which is why I became interested in it. Keep in touch! ^_^
Steve, you really dont have to explain to these people anything because you and i friend, are vibrating in a higher plain than most of these brain washed programmed robots.
@CMKify "vibrating in a higher plain" -- should be "plane" -- sounds like New Age goobledegook. Could you be more specific?
"...most of these brain washed programmed robots." sounds extremely condescending to me. If people do not believe as you, are they "brain washed robots"? Nonsense.
I have found that most people who speak as though they have the answers, are actually fooling themselves, and reside in the dark.
The more one learns, the more one realizes how much they don't know.
@StevenErnest ........so you're saying that i dont know anything just because i mispelled the word plane? Nonsense! i was actually taking your side. it feels like you think you know everything, which leads me to believe you maybe a zionist or a fake jew. go ahead and stand corrected as these christians put your research down.
@CMKify I asked you to explain what "vibrating on a higher plane" means.... Apparently you are not able to.
I am not Jewish. I have clearly said I do not follow the Jewish Kabbalah, but I like the ideas and philosophy of the Western Hermetic Tradition of Kabbalah.
I appreciate your defending me, but you do not seem to understand my position.
I have received negative comments from Christians AND Jews... but I would not call them "brainwashed robots" as you do. People have different beliefs.
I only assumed you are a Christian -- which you just confirmed you are. I did not assume you were in any particular denomination.
You DO have a religion: you are a Christian.
You don't sound well read to me. To base your life on an over 2,000 year old book is ridiculous, this is the 21st century. The Bible has nothing to say re stem cell research, the challenges of technology. It is of limited use.
@StevenErnest Jesus was not a man -- according to your Bible. He was the "Son of God." Therefore, if he was without sin, it's because he was not human. He was like a superhero.
Anyway, I think Jesus was a failed prophet. After he was crucified -- FAIL -- his history was rewritten, as, ohh, he was resurrected. "To save us of sin."
He had been predicting the Kingdom of God -- WITHIN HIS LIFETIME.
And he Failed. So now, it's supposed to be "any day now." Yeah right.
@StevenErnest dude you are so wrong. i didnt even read your whole message because your first sentence says it all. It tells me that you been busy lsitening to others and there idea of christianity and you have not studied the bible for yourself. Superhero. Thats funny. LOL!!! where do i begin??? hmmm Hope your ready???
@StevenErnest Jesus experienced a normal, human birth (Matt. 1: 18-25);At eight days of age, the baby Jesus was circumcised (Lk. 2: 21);"And the child grew," Luke tells us of Jesus (2:40). Again Luke writes: "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature..." (Lk. 2: 52).
@StevenErnest (Lk. 2: 52). Jesus the man was not physically dissimilar from other men (see Isa. 53: 1-3). Jesus experienced normal physical desires. Jesus knew hunger (Matt. 4: 2), thirst (Jn. 19: 28), and physical depletion (Jn. 4: 6). Jesus suffered pain and when lacerated, he bled (I Pet. 3: 18, Jn. 18: 1-34).
@StevenErnest Just so you know before Jesus was born He gave up his power in to become human and he paved the way for all humans to find the path to salvation. Him being human is the lifeline of a Christain. His life set the example for this world to find its way back to God. His human life is the foundation of Christianity.
@StevenErnest Next the kingdom. Your funny!! When Jesus spoke of the kingdom he was not talking about a physical kingdom but the kingdom in your heart (i know this must be hard for you to understand cause your not with Jesus but you can be.)
For the christian the Kingdom is with in you. Thats why we say the phrase "accepting Jesus in your heart"
@StevenErnest Hope that clears anything up for you. I can go on all day and break it dwn so you can understand and stop feeding lies to people. God is real Jesus is Lord and his time is comming. This world and is current system is comming to an end. Please change your mind about God and get to know him as your Creator. he wants to know you before its to late. Im done and God bless you...
@jovi9595 I do not "hate" Jesus. I have said here that I do not believe in the supernatural creator God of the three Abrahamic religions. I do not believe Jesus was "'the Son of God." I do not believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God.
You keep ranting at me here -- throwing out Bible quotes -- which mean NOTHING to me. You can believe whatever you like. But please respect my intelligence for not believing as you do.
i understand that we do not beleive the same and thats ok. But when you make statements that are not true then you have to be prepared to be corrected. I'm only giving you biblical context directly from the word so you can see where you might have been misunderstood. Its not ranting, i'm just correcting you as i'm sure you would do the same to anyone else.
@jovi9595 But from my point of view, YOU are the one making statements that are not true. You cannot "correct" me with ideas I do not accept. Just because the Bible says X, does not mean X is true. Sorry.
The Bible has some beautiful poetry in it, and Jesus must have been a remarkable person, but I cannot accept the idea of a Creator God intervening in human history.
@theawakener7 What about the billions of people who do not believe in the Christian God? Are we all Sinners? Please...
No, you are on a high-horse, because you assume you have the truth, and the only accurate religion. You have ONE belief amongst THOUSANDS of belief systems.
Read some comparative religion. Read some philosophy like Existentialism. Just sayin'.
@theawakener7 Yes, but our ACTIONS are a result of our BELIEFS. To say one is wasting their time discussing philosophy, and should be out there doing something, is patently absurd.
And you have no idea in what ways I help the hungry and homeless.
Come down from the high-horse you (think) you are on.
Also, Kabbalah is not "secret knowledge," there are THOUSANDS of books available in bookstores, Amazon, etc. I get the impression reading is beyond you, so you have no idea what is out there.
How did the big bang come first? Doesn't there have to be a cause to this effect? And if so wouldn't the cause be what actually came first? And of course the cause of the big bang would have to have a cause of it's own right? This would lead backwards to infinity it seems.
@Acraphies I think the honest answer is we do not know. We know the Big Bang happened, even when: about 13.7 billion years ago. Of course it seems there would be a need for a first cause, but some quantum theory does not seem to require it. It actually explains how something could come from nothing.
I don't believe in a supernatural creator god, because who created Him or Her? If you say He/She always was, that is avoiding the question.
Its not that God always was. He always is... He is the past, the present, and the future all at once. I would love to see were you think or heard that quantum theory explains how something comes from nothing.
@Acraphies The cause and effect rule we know to apply in this reality..when there is no such thing as time essentially there can be no first cause, only infinity which is what the circle has always represented.
To say that something comes from nothing is like saying 1+1 = 0. That is not true because it breaks the laws of the universe. Pepol you must stop trying to disprove the existance of a creater. His proof is all around you, inside you, above you and below. The begining of life was the begining of consiousness. What we call the big bang is not worthy of the real truth. Its just our way of trying to explain what our simple minds can understand.
@jovi9595 Okay, then: Where did God come from? To say, "He always existed" is side-stepping the question. He must have come from something? How can anything "always be." Who/what created "Him?!"
Please provide evidence other than the dubious history provided by the Christian Bible.
We can now measure the beginning of the universe -- the Big Bang -- to about 13.7 Billion years ago. Deal with it.
@StevenErnest wheres your proof that he doesnt exist, HUH? Yea your right I have the bible but you know what else i have? The Holy spirit which was given to those who believe In Jesus and accept his salvation. The Holy Spirit tells me God is real Only Gods CHOSSEN know understand and know this. People who do not believe and accept salvation will never understand. What do you have?
@StevenErnest You can be chossen but for this you must choose God first in your heart. He loves all his creation and wants to reveal himself to you through Jesus. H e wants you to know him Steven Ernest. Put down the science books and lectures. Search yourself, quiet your heart and listen.
@StevenErnest And Just so you know the father of Kabbalah is King Solomon. The son of the first Jewish King appointed by God; David. I'm not saying the big bang didnt happen, infact i believe it did. But if your a cause and effect person then what caused it or WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER? smartass!!!
@KristoferGrey I'll stick with God pulling the trigger. You can keep your beliefe of life happening by chance!!! Oh wait, i bet you believed in santa clause when you where a kid. Maybe he caused the big bang! Does that sound better for you??
Hmm... Arent people of this religion killed in horrific ways all the time? How good could it be? Not that I think any other religions have a clue. Just wondering.
kabbalah is just fancy astrology combined with really really bad cosmology.
that makes kabbalah a form of really bad science.
go learn real cosmology and astrophysics....its a lot more interesting and far stranger than anything in the zohar. kabbaliks claim that they can manipulate reality using "practical kabala". they can't. most can't even read aramaic.
@zmc33 In Kabbalah there is no denial of God. The Tree of Life shows the 10 emanations of God. These are aspects or forces of God. You are not listening very closely.
However, I personally do not believe in the Abrahamic God.
Before the beginning there was only the void, and then came Ain Soph, a limitless all. Therefore: In the beginning there was a limitless all. What is so had to understand? In fact the term "was" is not even accurate enough, I would suggest that it "still is" a limitless all. This limitless all is defined by an infinite light. Of course it is, because limitless things have infinite natures.
@crawlFace Ein Sof is what is on the other side of the light. Understand "time" is a creation. Infinity is as without time, consider its figure 8 symbol.
Sum the limitless all and you will find the void, Ein Sof..
Split INfinity...SIN - the infinity symbol, first split, two sides, consciousness and existence.
Take the split away and you have "0", nothing at all.
If you 'take the split away', we don't say we "have" nothing. You must make this distinction if you are serious about figuring things out. The more accurate term would be: There is nothing. And since existence can not have or be "nothing", there is no "taking the split away".
To split a true infinity, especially an absolute one, you will always get both 'sides' of it for each split. Without a nature for infinity, there can be no infinity. To deny this is to define things irrational.
Now because I am not biased and also because it is fair and true, I must mention the following:
I feel the representation of "void" and even such cause and effect terms as "before" and "after" are effectively defined by this tree of life. To me, the tree of life represents the relation of all things. Through this relation we may dare to define such a massive nature of Ein Sof.
@robertofaj You posted this as a reply to me, but I think you meant it as a reply to TheRogerwilliam. You have to click on reply right next to his message. : )
who invented kabbala? I may be wrong but cience is make for and the reasons to tried to prove that God is not real but like William cooper said only after the budy died then you will discover the true, Kabbala is one more theory to look how life began which I am not agree and the reson I believe 100% in Jesus.
Please watch the video again. If you have a specific question or questions, I will be glad to answer them as best I can.
It took me 10 minutes in this vid to explain the basics of Kabbalah. How am I supposed to explain it -- again -- in the 500 word limit of these comments?
Your video has simply a materialistic view on kabbala labeling it. By that i mean you simply took information from books you read placed it on the table and said "this is kabbalah and this is what it is".... Kabbalah should not be labeled and anyone who does so is not understanding it.... the true essence is understanding we are all the same (one) and we are creatures of EGO and thats what we need to fix in our world to live properly with zero conflict.
@corpseneech Kabbalah is a complex system... how else can I discuss it, without "labeling it" i.e., using words? Can you?
As I said in the vid, I do not claim to be an expert -- this is merely MY take on it. Per many comments here, I have sparked an interest in some people. I urge them to do their own reading and thinking.
I basically agree with your last sentence -- but in the world it is more complex.
Please watch my video: The World to Come: StevenVisions #1. I would like your view!
Some people like to think things are older than they are, and that there is an even deeper meaning than there is. It probably makes them feel superior.
thanks for the reading list but how do I know if any of this has anything to do with the universe as it really is and not the product of wishful thinking? I think we'll never know for sure.
Steve23: I'm essentially an Existentialist -- I don't think the universe necessarily has any inherent meaning -- but WE create the meaning that we find.
I think Kabbalah, and esp the Tree of Life diagram is an excellent Metaphor or Model for certain archetypal forces or principles of the universe.
As I do with some Eastern Philosophies, such as Taoism.
And Quantum Physics has much to say -- as it explains how something can come from nothing. But that is still the Great Mystery to me!
@BrooklynNotQueens Yes, you mention a very important teaching. However, it is part of the Jewish tradition of Kabbalah -- here I am discussing the Western Hermetic Tradition of Kabbalah. Plus, this is only a basic intro.
Re "Thats all there is to it."
No, I'm sorry, but there is MUCH more to it if one looks. In either tradition.
Panentheism as opposed to pantheism is a relatively new idea for me. In fact, I think I just came across in the last two years. A superficial denfinition would be that God has both a personal and an impersonal dimension. But, I don't think that quite covers it. This yet another area I need to study further. I have often heard Kabbalah described as panentheistic.
@Cthulu51 Hey, I meant to respond to you sooner...! ^_^
Basically, Pantheism = God is Everything; Panentheism = God is IN Everything. Of course, there is more to it than that.
As Wiki puts it: "While pantheism asserts that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims that God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God."
To me, this is needlessly splitting hairs. God IS the Universe. God = Universe.
There is beautiful conversation and review here. I thank everyone for the inspiration.
So, maybe my next statement can continue to elaborate on an earlier issue that we constantly deal with:
There is no such thing as nothing. If it helps, let us say: In terms of existence, there is no such thing as nothing.
The term: "nothing", is a value that we represent in our recognitions/definitions (our sciences/understanding), and it reveals the problems we faced for the conversion/equation.
I'll look this one up. Thanks for the reference. I've often heard it said that Einstein's God was the God of Spinoza. I don't know that I've read any of Spinoza's work, but based on secondary summaries of his ideas, I've often wondered if his pantheism might not have been influenced by Kabbalah.
I've heard that, too. I just skimmed some material on Spinoza, and it seems he changed his opinion a bit over time. So it's debated if he was a pantheist, or a panentheist. Some say a materialist, lol.
It looks like it is possible that Spinoza had some familiarity with Kabbalah, he may have had some books, but it is not certain.
I think Einstein saw the laws of nature as "God," but not the Abrahamic God. Some of the Founding Fathers who were Deists looked at it that way.
Its kind of simple "kind of" the hebrews and the other semitic people never talked directly to god they always talked with god through gabriel or the other angels.Its the exact same with other so called "pagan" religions their panteon of angels were their gods in all the mystery shools of all religions the true mystery was monotheistic but it was more like the tao or nibbana ect
I differ with your comment that not all Abrahamic traditions can be right. They could all be wrong. You see, my beliefs line up very much with aspects of the Kabbalistic Tradition. While I concede that the point before creation is a mathematical unknown, and therefore the potential for God energy exists, this does not prove the existence of God, or anything for that matter. Also, I believe that the physical nature of the Universe WE CALL God, is in fact only the Sacred Universe Itself.
Julian, yes, that they could all be wrong was implied -- and I personally think they are all wrong.
My beliefs also line up with much of Kabbalah.
I do not hold that it "proves" the existence of God. I am merely saying that I like the parallel with modern physics -- of there first being a void, and then a universe coming into being from this nothing.
I'm basically an existentialist: humanity creates meaning. But I like the ideas of Kabbalah -- and Taoism -- for their models and metaphors.
I've been dipping my fingers into the Magickal Moonlight. Hearing you (Steve) talk about Physics being God (in different words perhaps) , and the Einstein reference, was like an echo to my thoughts of last night. Sometimes we carry a certain energy within us but it cannot truly flourish until the right words are spoken, until we frame it in such a way that we can understand it on a core level. Such is the way of gradual enlightenment.
There is a fascinating article, summarizing the possible ways the universe may have come about -- scientific, religious -- the author has no agenda...
Google: Why This Universe? Toward a Toxonomy of Possible Explanations.
I like the parallels Kabbalah has with much of Eastern philosophy, and modern physics. The Tree of Life is a wonderful myth and metaphor for the structure of the universe.
Imagine a world without Wisdom... without Mystery. The Universe initiates us into its Mysteries, we do not initiate ourselves. While we must open our own eyes, we did not give ourselves those eyes, or these thoughts. The past year of my life has been revelatory. Tapping into the synchronised mechanism. Last night I was thinking "God is Science". I like putting words together like that. A mathematical representation of the Universe would also be a mathematical representation of God. cont above
"God is science," is basically what Einstein held; that knowing the laws of the universe is knowing the ways of "God."
Yes, the universe is our school.
There's a Robert Bly poem about how if we don't learn on our own, the universe gives us coincidences, then stronger ways of learning, such as accidents. I'd like to learn more gracefully, but I usually learn by accident, lol.
Thank you for your thoughtful comments, I greatly appreciate it! ^_^
time to leave your video alone. good luck with your free will. I won't be able to protect you from the hell, if you deserve it... matter fact, I can't protect myself from the hell if I end deserving it... enjoy your free will wisely? by the way, I forgot to correct you on Bina... it means the evidence and not understanding and that whole map is built for fun and is not linked to kabala by any mean. your video look like kabala for dummies :) you need to ask Madonna about that :)
also, there is no 3 Abrahamic religions! and those who tell you so, are blinding you... it's easy to know it, doesn't need Phd in Math :). Abrahim believed to ONE ALMIGHT GOD called Allah. don't repeat you hear in the news without thinking about it? otherwise, you will be easy meal for the evil hunters...
kabala is not religion and you are not going to tell me the truth of what my forefathers been into... kabala is one more scum that the missfuided from my people, won't stop to use to fool you. I advice you, to read a book called "The Elders of Zion" and you will grow alots in your knowledge about the ways of devils...after that.
wake up? and stop fooling yourselves? the time pass quick and you are wasting your lives turning the ONLY AUTHENTIC MESSAGE REMAINING FROM ALLAH (ALQuor'aan) down and ralying on any stupid books given to you, to missguide you. that's all what I can do for you, it's up to you to decide to wake up.
is this some grandma stories covered in kabala and spiced by Einstein said and directed to atheists...!!!? by the way, I'm a Moslem descendant of Haroon the brother of Moses may the peace be on all of them. kabala or any mysticism in any so called religion, is nothing but dealing with devils from the way they require you to do. if there is any wisdom beside what Allah sent to humans, at least, one human being will use it to survive the time and be with us, for centuries...
What are you saying about Einstein? I don't follow...
Calling a deep and nuanced philosophy -- it is not necessarily a religion -- like Kabbalah as "dealing with devils," obviously shows you have no understanding of it.
I was going to say that it is a shame that Christianity and Islam-Sufis and Gnostics excepted-have largely abandoned the mysticism that flourished in their parent religion Judaism. However, I remembered Allan Watts giving a talk on Greek/Eastern Orthodoxy, in which he discussed the intrinsically mystical nature of eastern Christianity. I had just assumed that Eastern Orthodoxy was more or less the same as the Roman Church.
Thank you for this steven, but can we have more info on kabbalah. Each time I try to do some research I still dont get what is being taught. I am speaking of techniques, is there kabalah meditation? what are practices if any? How do you implement the science of kabbalah? I am even taking one of those free courses, but it seems like just a lot of words and no teachings on applying, perhaps I gotta be more patient. Thank you
That's why I listed some good reference books in the sidebar --->
Meditating on the Tree is called, "Pathworking" -- meditating on each of the 22 paths that connect the spheres. The Stephen A. Hoeller book has a CD with his brief meditiations on each path.
Regarding a "free" course, you get what you pay for. BOTA has a correspondence course.
Remember, Kabbalah has two branches: The Jewish Tradition, and the Hermetic Tradition, the latter is what I discussed.
I have four questions 1- what is the relation between kabbala and the two angels in babilion (Harut and Marut)?
2- Why Prohpet Soloymone buried the books of magic or (Kabbala) under his throne?
3- Why angel Gibriel refused to kill the king of Babilion?
4- how did the old jews made most of the Taurat as codes?
nabil12345100 1 day ago
@nabil12345100 I haven't a clue, this is beyond my level of expertise. Perhaps someone else can provide your answers.
StevenErnest 7 hours ago
@StevenErnest Well. First let me thank you very much for the simple way of this intro which means you paid a big effort to make that simple. i also would like to express my respect to you and your honesty admitting that you donot know the answers of my questions. LOL Sorry but actually there is a source of information for those questions and much more than such issues if you also want to know more about judiasim in general the only complete source is the Holly Quraan, try it you'll lose nothing.
nabil12345100 1 hour ago
@nabil12345100 If you look at my reading list in the info area, you'll see I'm mainly interested in the Hermetic tradition of Kabbalah.
Re, "...about judiasim (sic) in general the only complete source is the Holly Quraan,"
Oh, not the Torah or Talmud?
I accept no one system of religion as having all the answers, as none do. They each have a piece of the puzzle. Existentialism, modern science, and the evolving new myths have much to teach us. "Try it, you'll lose nothing." ^_^
StevenErnest 5 minutes ago
Excellent primer! Very well done, brother! Peace to you!
pieopah777 2 weeks ago
@pieopah777 Thanks, I really appreciate it! ^_^
StevenErnest 1 week ago
thanka brother from melbourne australia
OccultWorld101 2 weeks ago
Thankyou for making this so easy to understand.
Drahcir9truthurts 3 months ago
@Drahcir9truthurts And thank you for your kind comment, I greatly appreciate it. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 month ago
Really great video, thank you so much for the upload.
Tallykoren 6 months ago
@Tallykoren Thank you so much, I really appreciate it! ^_^
I received a notice that you posted a video response... For some reason I don't see it posting here; I have it set to allow video responses, so I don't want you to feel I'm not accepting it. YT can be quirky.
StevenErnest 6 months ago
Great vid thanks
DanielWaerea1 7 months ago
@DanielWaerea1 Thank you, I appreciate the feedback.
StevenErnest 7 months ago
Hey Steven. I just want to thank you for putting up the link for that video on cosmology from the Dawkins channel in the comments. I'm not an atheist myself but I found it really interesting and informative. Thanks.
MikeRyu 10 months ago
@MikeRyu You're talking about the talk, by 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss,..? You're welcome. : ) Yes, that was a Dawkins event, but the science of the big bang is interesting and amazing whatever one's belief is.
StevenErnest 10 months ago
@StevenErnest Yes. I'm agnostic meself (currently anyway) in all ways and it's interesting to know what the current scientific thinking is when it comes to the big stuff especially from the hard edge atheist camp. Thanks again!
MikeRyu 10 months ago
We are all one, one love
truthseeker010101 11 months ago
Fozzy Bear has a pretty good video on Kabbalah, too.
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intermitrj 1 year ago
Holy crap, is that David Macks' Kabuki in the back?!
small world.. interesting video by the way.
XXXoXXoXXXX 1 year ago
@XXXoXXoXXXX Yes, Kabuki! At the time I really got into it, and got those posters. A marvelous series. Thanks! ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
hes his own person he can mix whatever he wants an secret societies already ,mix hermetic peagan and kahbalah, look at masons or golden dawn or rosucrucians and has a a lot to do with personal philosphy your nutz kid
Rampag3D 1 year ago
@Rampag3D Who are you replying to?
StevenErnest 1 year ago
I think you have the qualities of Netzach and Hod mixed up, Hod relates to the (Superior) Astral Body and the Astral World which also relates to (Superior) emotion, Netzach on the other hand relates to the Mental Body and Mental World which obviously points towards the mind.
GUESTIMATE 1 year ago
@GUESTIMATE No, I believe I have it correct re Hod is Mind, Science, Language, etc.; Netzach is Emotions, Feelings, Love, etc. This is their basic meanings, simply stated. There are the Four Worlds, so in those there may be a somewhat different nuance to each Sephirah.
I don't really believe in an Astral Body or Astral World, unless that is a metaphor for something else.
What are your sources? I listed mine below in the info area.
Thank you for your comment.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
failsome >.> :D lolz
xlr8103 1 year ago
@xlr8103 Only "some?" Yaah! ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Your work is admirable here, Thank you Steven Ernest, for just being you.
happygibson1 1 year ago
@happygibson1 Thank you very much, I greatly appreciate the feedback. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
True Judaism and sensible kabbalistic practice cannot mix with pagan religion or philosophy - in short steven ernest, you are better off being and christian, a taist or a buddhist because you a re filling your head full of useless gnostic intellectulism and not undestanding G-d or this universe at all.
MrEliyahuhanavi 1 year ago
@MrEliyahuhanavi I obviously strongly disagree with you, but respect your opinion. Thanks for commenting.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@MrEliyahuhanavi Well on the flipside it might be a good idea to dig into some of this and see how it ties into Christianity instead of Buddhism or Taoism. I think Christianity is the truth myself and that other religions are either wrong or incomplete, but at the same time it is interesting and useful to "dig around at the borders" to figure out how it all works and fits into what we already know from science and philosophy.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@JohananRaatz I agree that Christianity is probably the most highly developed belief system, meaning understanding the relationship to ea other and to the Creator.... BUT Christianity also has some blind spots... specifically about it's own history, where it came from, what it "owes" it's existence to, etc. I escaped the ignorance of dogmatic Christian mindset by studying the roots of Christianity, that is, Judaism; seeking the actuality of WWJD, what Messiah did and lived and taught.
Madkre8tor 1 year ago
@Madkre8tor Yeah I know. That's why it's good to dig around outside and study other stuff like this.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@MrEliyahuhanavi
There is not a man, woman, Rabbi, or Giant in this world nor any other netherworld of your own fabrication that can so much as HINT to Enrnest on what "True Judaism" is, was, or should be. Unlike some people around here, he doesn't appear to have to use a phone to worship a self satisfactory g*D
prezence1 10 months ago
True Judaism and sensible kabbalistic practice cannot mix with pagan religion or philosophy - in short steven ernest, you are better off being and christian, a taist or a buddhist because you a re filling your head full of useless gnostic intellectulism and not undestanding G-d or this universe at all.
MrEliyahuhanavi 1 year ago
Kabbalah cannot be studied in isolation, it is part and parcel of Judaism - it is esoteric Judaism, deep rooted thoughts from Torah. Also Judaism does not refer to G-d as Yaw-eh or any other name, nor does Judaism talk about the "bing bang" or any new age vibe. Modern kabbalah, that which Hollywood has embraced is nothing more than pagan practice.
MrEliyahuhanavi 1 year ago
Kabbalah cannot be studied in isolation, it is part and parcel of Judaism - it is esoteric Judaism, deep rooted thoughts from Torah. Also Judaism does not refer to G-d as Yaw-eh or any other name, nor does Judaism talk about the "bing bang" or any new age vibe. Modern kabbalah, that which Hollywood has embraced is nothing more than pagan practice.
MrEliyahuhanavi 1 year ago
@obayifu You make an excellent point. I am stating my personal opinion. And I was speaking in shorthand.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
The Kabbalah is an ancient jewish mystical tradition that shouldn't be yanked from its roots. This is pretty much the same thing as Madonna and her red bendel (wrist string). Kabbalah and paganism don't mix. It's like breaking the system. Once it's broken, it doesn't work because you go off into left field.
Alt0nsy 1 year ago
@Alt0nsy I respect your belief. However, the system I am discussing here is NOT in anyway related to Madonna or the infamous Kabbalah Center.
This has nothing to do with paganism: I am presenting Kabbalah -- or, Qabala -- of the Western Hermetic Tradition. It is common for philosophical systems to be interpreted and developed further by others. If you do not approve, that is fine, but you should better understand what you are criticizing.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Really, because it certainly seems like they are the same thing. As was mentioned, Kabbalah is Jewish, no matter how you mention it. It should not be seperated, because it truly is NOT a religion. Those who like the concepts should start a new religion based on what they think should be in it, instead of copy and pasting.
strongastigerclaw 1 year ago
@StevenErnest I'm sorry if I offended you, but it depends on how you define paganism. Many magickal systems of today are based on Hermetic Kabbalah (Golden Dawn, O.T.O, elements in Wicca and Neopaganism)
Alt0nsy 1 year ago
thank you for this video :-)
ladyrain669 1 year ago
@ladyrain669 And thank you for this comment. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
If anything, the tree of life represents the human condition and nothing more. With the crown being your mind, and the kingdom being your actual physical self. As stated before, the orbs only represent human nature. They cannot represent Our world(physical, and intellectual). This is where Kabbalah is flawed. If one interprets the tree as the universe, the world, and everything else; then they have surely been the subject of misinterpretation.
Not flaming, just my intellectual two cents. ; ]
nickpapageorgio 1 year ago
@nickpapageorgio Yes, there is a correspondence to the human condition, but to deny a connection to the universe, and other systems -- esp of philosophy and myths -- is to ignore a vast body of relevant material.
I use Kabbalah as one system of metaphors and models, it has many correspondences to universal abstract concepts.
"Flawed?" You have the right to your opinion, but I do not see what it is based on.
Thanks for your comment.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Flawed was the wrong word. I realized this after I had commented. Ignore it. I personally feel that, although everything in the universe is connected(Atomically), that one cannot apply the human condition to the universe itself. Very interesting theory, though. Thank you for sharing.
nickpapageorgio 1 year ago
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Illustratos 1 year ago
@Illustratos Lol, your unique comment has me perplexed -- I can't quite tell if you are being positive or sarcastic, or even ironic. One thing is for sure: The consequences will never be the same. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Hi... i like your paintings :p i come from a Buddhist background.. and stumbled upon this outta interest... been reading/viewing about Vedanta and more recently Kabbalah and Sufism..its all very interesting :)
Sunny066 1 year ago
@Sunny066 Thank you! The poster of The Tree of Life is not mine -- it is published by the Builders of the Adytum. Info below. And the art work I borrowed from people on the internet.
Yes, I see a parallel of Kabbalah with Eastern Philosophy, which is why I became interested in it. Keep in touch! ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
good job....
ninelivezoffo 1 year ago
@NisaNB Thank you for the positive feedback, I appreciate it. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
with a little work he could learn about real kabbalah. for starters dont talk about gay things.
agiomagikos 1 year ago
@agiomagikos He who? Me?
Why don't you enlighten me instead of a snobby troll comment?
"Gay things?" wtf.
I think you better get your mind in order before making lame comments.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Thanks for the lowdown, good stuff!
samir1600 1 year ago
@samir1600 Thanks for your positive feedback; I appreciate it.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Thank you. That was a nice compendium; and it definitely gave me a clearer idea of what the Kabbalah is all about.
avallonmist 1 year ago
@avallonmist Thank you for the positive feedback. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Great video, thanks.
hesrei1 1 year ago
@hesrei1 Thank you very much, I appreciate it. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Steve, you really dont have to explain to these people anything because you and i friend, are vibrating in a higher plain than most of these brain washed programmed robots.
CMKify 1 year ago
@CMKify "vibrating in a higher plain" -- should be "plane" -- sounds like New Age goobledegook. Could you be more specific?
"...most of these brain washed programmed robots." sounds extremely condescending to me. If people do not believe as you, are they "brain washed robots"? Nonsense.
I have found that most people who speak as though they have the answers, are actually fooling themselves, and reside in the dark.
The more one learns, the more one realizes how much they don't know.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest ........so you're saying that i dont know anything just because i mispelled the word plane? Nonsense! i was actually taking your side. it feels like you think you know everything, which leads me to believe you maybe a zionist or a fake jew. go ahead and stand corrected as these christians put your research down.
CMKify 1 year ago
@CMKify I asked you to explain what "vibrating on a higher plane" means.... Apparently you are not able to.
I am not Jewish. I have clearly said I do not follow the Jewish Kabbalah, but I like the ideas and philosophy of the Western Hermetic Tradition of Kabbalah.
I appreciate your defending me, but you do not seem to understand my position.
I have received negative comments from Christians AND Jews... but I would not call them "brainwashed robots" as you do. People have different beliefs.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@theawakener7 No, sorry, I do not believe in sin.
I only assumed you are a Christian -- which you just confirmed you are. I did not assume you were in any particular denomination.
You DO have a religion: you are a Christian.
You don't sound well read to me. To base your life on an over 2,000 year old book is ridiculous, this is the 21st century. The Bible has nothing to say re stem cell research, the challenges of technology. It is of limited use.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Jesus was not a man -- according to your Bible. He was the "Son of God." Therefore, if he was without sin, it's because he was not human. He was like a superhero.
Anyway, I think Jesus was a failed prophet. After he was crucified -- FAIL -- his history was rewritten, as, ohh, he was resurrected. "To save us of sin."
He had been predicting the Kingdom of God -- WITHIN HIS LIFETIME.
And he Failed. So now, it's supposed to be "any day now." Yeah right.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest dude you are so wrong. i didnt even read your whole message because your first sentence says it all. It tells me that you been busy lsitening to others and there idea of christianity and you have not studied the bible for yourself. Superhero. Thats funny. LOL!!! where do i begin??? hmmm Hope your ready???
jovi9595 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Jesus experienced a normal, human birth (Matt. 1: 18-25);At eight days of age, the baby Jesus was circumcised (Lk. 2: 21);"And the child grew," Luke tells us of Jesus (2:40). Again Luke writes: "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature..." (Lk. 2: 52).
jovi9595 1 year ago
@StevenErnest (Lk. 2: 52). Jesus the man was not physically dissimilar from other men (see Isa. 53: 1-3). Jesus experienced normal physical desires. Jesus knew hunger (Matt. 4: 2), thirst (Jn. 19: 28), and physical depletion (Jn. 4: 6). Jesus suffered pain and when lacerated, he bled (I Pet. 3: 18, Jn. 18: 1-34).
jovi9595 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Just so you know before Jesus was born He gave up his power in to become human and he paved the way for all humans to find the path to salvation. Him being human is the lifeline of a Christain. His life set the example for this world to find its way back to God. His human life is the foundation of Christianity.
jovi9595 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Next the kingdom. Your funny!! When Jesus spoke of the kingdom he was not talking about a physical kingdom but the kingdom in your heart (i know this must be hard for you to understand cause your not with Jesus but you can be.)
For the christian the Kingdom is with in you. Thats why we say the phrase "accepting Jesus in your heart"
jovi9595 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Luke.17 (RSV)
[20] Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;
[21 ] nor will they say, `Lo, here it is!' or `There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.
jovi9595 1 year ago
@StevenErnest Hope that clears anything up for you. I can go on all day and break it dwn so you can understand and stop feeding lies to people. God is real Jesus is Lord and his time is comming. This world and is current system is comming to an end. Please change your mind about God and get to know him as your Creator. he wants to know you before its to late. Im done and God bless you...
jovi9595 1 year ago
@StevenErnest May God have mercy on you for making a statement of Jesus failing. Why do you hate Jesus? Just wondering?
jovi9595 1 year ago
@jovi9595 I do not "hate" Jesus. I have said here that I do not believe in the supernatural creator God of the three Abrahamic religions. I do not believe Jesus was "'the Son of God." I do not believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God.
You keep ranting at me here -- throwing out Bible quotes -- which mean NOTHING to me. You can believe whatever you like. But please respect my intelligence for not believing as you do.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
i understand that we do not beleive the same and thats ok. But when you make statements that are not true then you have to be prepared to be corrected. I'm only giving you biblical context directly from the word so you can see where you might have been misunderstood. Its not ranting, i'm just correcting you as i'm sure you would do the same to anyone else.
jovi9595 1 year ago
@jovi9595 But from my point of view, YOU are the one making statements that are not true. You cannot "correct" me with ideas I do not accept. Just because the Bible says X, does not mean X is true. Sorry.
The Bible has some beautiful poetry in it, and Jesus must have been a remarkable person, but I cannot accept the idea of a Creator God intervening in human history.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@theawakener7 What about the billions of people who do not believe in the Christian God? Are we all Sinners? Please...
No, you are on a high-horse, because you assume you have the truth, and the only accurate religion. You have ONE belief amongst THOUSANDS of belief systems.
Read some comparative religion. Read some philosophy like Existentialism. Just sayin'.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@theawakener7 Yes, but our ACTIONS are a result of our BELIEFS. To say one is wasting their time discussing philosophy, and should be out there doing something, is patently absurd.
And you have no idea in what ways I help the hungry and homeless.
Come down from the high-horse you (think) you are on.
Also, Kabbalah is not "secret knowledge," there are THOUSANDS of books available in bookstores, Amazon, etc. I get the impression reading is beyond you, so you have no idea what is out there.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
How did the big bang come first? Doesn't there have to be a cause to this effect? And if so wouldn't the cause be what actually came first? And of course the cause of the big bang would have to have a cause of it's own right? This would lead backwards to infinity it seems.
Acraphies 1 year ago
@Acraphies I think the honest answer is we do not know. We know the Big Bang happened, even when: about 13.7 billion years ago. Of course it seems there would be a need for a first cause, but some quantum theory does not seem to require it. It actually explains how something could come from nothing.
I don't believe in a supernatural creator god, because who created Him or Her? If you say He/She always was, that is avoiding the question.
You ask some good important questions here!
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Its not that God always was. HE ALWAY IS....
jovi9595 1 year ago
Its not that God always was. He always is... He is the past, the present, and the future all at once. I would love to see were you think or heard that quantum theory explains how something comes from nothing.
jovi9595 1 year ago
@jovi9595 Maybe, but.... WHICH God?
The Jewish, Christian, or Moslem God? The Brahman of Hinduism? The Tao of Taoism? Please explicate.
Here's a YT vid with a physicist explaining how "something comes from nothing."
'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009
watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo&feature=PlayList&p=FACFC4B691948194&playnext_from=PL&index=0
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@Acraphies The cause and effect rule we know to apply in this reality..when there is no such thing as time essentially there can be no first cause, only infinity which is what the circle has always represented.
cloaknpoke 1 year ago
hmmm
jovi9595 1 year ago
To say that something comes from nothing is like saying 1+1 = 0. That is not true because it breaks the laws of the universe. Pepol you must stop trying to disprove the existance of a creater. His proof is all around you, inside you, above you and below. The begining of life was the begining of consiousness. What we call the big bang is not worthy of the real truth. Its just our way of trying to explain what our simple minds can understand.
jovi9595 1 year ago
@jovi9595 Okay, then: Where did God come from? To say, "He always existed" is side-stepping the question. He must have come from something? How can anything "always be." Who/what created "Him?!"
Please provide evidence other than the dubious history provided by the Christian Bible.
We can now measure the beginning of the universe -- the Big Bang -- to about 13.7 Billion years ago. Deal with it.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest wheres your proof that he doesnt exist, HUH? Yea your right I have the bible but you know what else i have? The Holy spirit which was given to those who believe In Jesus and accept his salvation. The Holy Spirit tells me God is real Only Gods CHOSSEN know understand and know this. People who do not believe and accept salvation will never understand. What do you have?
jovi9595 1 year ago
@StevenErnest You can be chossen but for this you must choose God first in your heart. He loves all his creation and wants to reveal himself to you through Jesus. H e wants you to know him Steven Ernest. Put down the science books and lectures. Search yourself, quiet your heart and listen.
jovi9595 1 year ago
@StevenErnest And Just so you know the father of Kabbalah is King Solomon. The son of the first Jewish King appointed by God; David. I'm not saying the big bang didnt happen, infact i believe it did. But if your a cause and effect person then what caused it or WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER? smartass!!!
jovi9595 1 year ago
@jovi9595 If we dont know who pulled THE TRIGGER, that dosent meen that God did it.
KristoferGrey 1 year ago
@KristoferGrey I'll stick with God pulling the trigger. You can keep your beliefe of life happening by chance!!! Oh wait, i bet you believed in santa clause when you where a kid. Maybe he caused the big bang! Does that sound better for you??
jovi9595 1 year ago
@jovi9595 Way you beleave, might as well he did.
KristoferGrey 1 year ago
@KristoferGrey Hey thanks! I'm glad i at least got believing in something. lol
jovi9595 1 year ago
Hmm... Arent people of this religion killed in horrific ways all the time? How good could it be? Not that I think any other religions have a clue. Just wondering.
Acraphies 1 year ago
@Acraphies I have no idea to what you are referring to people being killed.
I said I don't view it as a religion, but as a system of philosophy. As models and metaphors. It is not a religion to me.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@Acraphies No response? Typical...
StevenErnest 1 year ago
kabbalah is just fancy astrology combined with really really bad cosmology.
that makes kabbalah a form of really bad science.
go learn real cosmology and astrophysics....its a lot more interesting and far stranger than anything in the zohar. kabbaliks claim that they can manipulate reality using "practical kabala". they can't. most can't even read aramaic.
ברוך אתה ה' אלוהינו מלך העולם שלא עשני חסיד
BrooklynNotQueens 1 year ago
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The contract entered into with any god of your choosing is very simple and always exactly the same.
You agree that one day you must die to go and be with your god.
That is the pact that is made.
No one said you had to die but your god.
Death is eternity in the Sun, the blazing lake of fire, where all excess energy in this Solar System goes.
Therefore it is unwise to follow the religious to god. /watch?v=R4QfeaF3MmE
truthtrekker 1 year ago
there is a book i think you will like by meher baba called god speaks
falzaabi 1 year ago
could be this coulde be that...
something happened from nothing to something...could be could be could be...seems alot of work for you to deny God!
zmc33 1 year ago
@zmc33 In Kabbalah there is no denial of God. The Tree of Life shows the 10 emanations of God. These are aspects or forces of God. You are not listening very closely.
However, I personally do not believe in the Abrahamic God.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Thanks Steven that was very helpful.
billionear 1 year ago
Before the beginning there was only the void, and then came Ain Soph, a limitless all. Therefore: In the beginning there was a limitless all. What is so had to understand? In fact the term "was" is not even accurate enough, I would suggest that it "still is" a limitless all. This limitless all is defined by an infinite light. Of course it is, because limitless things have infinite natures.
crawlFace 1 year ago
@crawlFace Ein Sof is what is on the other side of the light. Understand "time" is a creation. Infinity is as without time, consider its figure 8 symbol.
Sum the limitless all and you will find the void, Ein Sof..
Split INfinity...SIN - the infinity symbol, first split, two sides, consciousness and existence.
Take the split away and you have "0", nothing at all.
thr33s3as 1 year ago
correction:
Ein Sof = "8" - the nameless one (nameless as no need for a name in being alone)
Ein = "0" - before the nameless one.
Sum the limitless all of Ein Sof and you will have Ein.
Sum by removing the split, unfold "8" to get "0".
thr33s3as 1 year ago
Thanks for the details, now let's see what we can work out:
The nameless one: 'In being alone'
Only things that exist can "be alone".
'Before the nameless one'
Only things that exist can be "before" anything.
Only things that exist can 'sum the limitless' anything.
Only things that exist can remove the split.
In fact, only things that exist seem to find the void, or at least seem to have the need to define a void.
especially since nothing can not do anything.
crawlFace 1 year ago
If you 'take the split away', we don't say we "have" nothing. You must make this distinction if you are serious about figuring things out. The more accurate term would be: There is nothing. And since existence can not have or be "nothing", there is no "taking the split away".
To split a true infinity, especially an absolute one, you will always get both 'sides' of it for each split. Without a nature for infinity, there can be no infinity. To deny this is to define things irrational.
crawlFace 1 year ago
@thr33s3as
Now because I am not biased and also because it is fair and true, I must mention the following:
I feel the representation of "void" and even such cause and effect terms as "before" and "after" are effectively defined by this tree of life. To me, the tree of life represents the relation of all things. Through this relation we may dare to define such a massive nature of Ein Sof.
crawlFace 1 year ago
@crawlFace before and after are words describing time. The void, Ein, is without time.
Time is a quality of a split void, where the infinite pieces of the un-summing of the void can be expressed..
thr33s3as 1 year ago
I would say I understand a bit more, and I also enjoy this video.
crawlFace 1 year ago
If you have already allowed god in to your life and hart, you cannot get any closer to god
1910Maya 1 year ago
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1910Maya 1 year ago
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1910Maya 1 year ago
@alexandernjstevenson Thank you!
StevenErnest 1 year ago
I find ancient wisdom fascinating, particularly the kabbalah. Please make more videos.
MauricePedro 1 year ago
Kabbalah is not exactly "ancient" wisdom. The main texts were written in the 12th and 13 centuries.
Thank you for your kind comment.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@TheRogerwilliam if you believe in jesus or better YHSVH, then do you believe in QBL (qabala).
regards.
robertofaj 1 year ago
@robertofaj You posted this as a reply to me, but I think you meant it as a reply to TheRogerwilliam. You have to click on reply right next to his message. : )
StevenErnest 1 year ago
who invented kabbala? I may be wrong but cience is make for and the reasons to tried to prove that God is not real but like William cooper said only after the budy died then you will discover the true, Kabbala is one more theory to look how life began which I am not agree and the reson I believe 100% in Jesus.
TheRogerwilliam 1 year ago
Please watch the video again. If you have a specific question or questions, I will be glad to answer them as best I can.
It took me 10 minutes in this vid to explain the basics of Kabbalah. How am I supposed to explain it -- again -- in the 500 word limit of these comments?
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@theawakener7 Yes. In the video I clearly stated what I get out of it. If you didn't understand, maybe watch it again.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
AWESOME video!!
matttatttack 1 year ago
@matttatttack Thank you, I appreciate it. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Your video has simply a materialistic view on kabbala labeling it. By that i mean you simply took information from books you read placed it on the table and said "this is kabbalah and this is what it is".... Kabbalah should not be labeled and anyone who does so is not understanding it.... the true essence is understanding we are all the same (one) and we are creatures of EGO and thats what we need to fix in our world to live properly with zero conflict.
corpseneech 1 year ago
@corpseneech Kabbalah is a complex system... how else can I discuss it, without "labeling it" i.e., using words? Can you?
As I said in the vid, I do not claim to be an expert -- this is merely MY take on it. Per many comments here, I have sparked an interest in some people. I urge them to do their own reading and thinking.
I basically agree with your last sentence -- but in the world it is more complex.
Please watch my video: The World to Come: StevenVisions #1. I would like your view!
StevenErnest 1 year ago
nah kaballa is just a trivial pseudoscientific view of physical reality.
BrooklynNotQueens 1 year ago
I think it is time for part 2
VirginAthenA 1 year ago
@VirginAthenA Yeah.. one o' these days, lol. Thanks! ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
you have gone about kabbalah the wrong way my friend! hope you will understand the essence of kabbalah in the future
corpseneech 1 year ago
corpseneech: instead of making this broad claim, why not enlighten me -- and the rest of us?
StevenErnest 1 year ago
kabbala is much older than the hebrews and it ws called something different and has different meanings than most of you think.
ogskeetdizzle 1 year ago
@ogskeetdizzle Yes, I know of those unfounded claims.
Some people like to think things are older than they are, and that there is an even deeper meaning than there is. It probably makes them feel superior.
If that makes you happy, knock yourself out.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
sounds good. where's the proof?
Steve2323ZX 1 year ago
@Steve2323ZX Umm, proof of what?
StevenErnest 1 year ago
In the sidebar, I listed some reference books containing source material. This is a vast subject.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
thanks for the reading list but how do I know if any of this has anything to do with the universe as it really is and not the product of wishful thinking? I think we'll never know for sure.
Steve2323ZX 1 year ago
Steve23: I'm essentially an Existentialist -- I don't think the universe necessarily has any inherent meaning -- but WE create the meaning that we find.
I think Kabbalah, and esp the Tree of Life diagram is an excellent Metaphor or Model for certain archetypal forces or principles of the universe.
As I do with some Eastern Philosophies, such as Taoism.
And Quantum Physics has much to say -- as it explains how something can come from nothing. But that is still the Great Mystery to me!
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Thank you !
nettieforpeace 1 year ago
@nettieforpeace And thank you, too! ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Eh this vid misses the point.
Kaballah is just an explanation about how the laws of the torah are designed to repair the error that occured at creation.
Thats it.
Key terms are shevirat ha keleem (shattering of the vessels) and Tikkun Olam (repairing the world via talmudically enhanced torah instruction.
Thats all there is to it.
BrooklynNotQueens 2 years ago
@BrooklynNotQueens Yes, you mention a very important teaching. However, it is part of the Jewish tradition of Kabbalah -- here I am discussing the Western Hermetic Tradition of Kabbalah. Plus, this is only a basic intro.
Re "Thats all there is to it."
No, I'm sorry, but there is MUCH more to it if one looks. In either tradition.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
Well ok in this hermetic thing whats the mechanism for the orign of evil?
BrooklynNotQueens 1 year ago
Panentheism as opposed to pantheism is a relatively new idea for me. In fact, I think I just came across in the last two years. A superficial denfinition would be that God has both a personal and an impersonal dimension. But, I don't think that quite covers it. This yet another area I need to study further. I have often heard Kabbalah described as panentheistic.
Cthulu51 2 years ago 2
@Cthulu51 Hey, I meant to respond to you sooner...! ^_^
Basically, Pantheism = God is Everything; Panentheism = God is IN Everything. Of course, there is more to it than that.
As Wiki puts it: "While pantheism asserts that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims that God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God."
To me, this is needlessly splitting hairs. God IS the Universe. God = Universe.
You can also use the word Tao for God.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
There is beautiful conversation and review here. I thank everyone for the inspiration.
So, maybe my next statement can continue to elaborate on an earlier issue that we constantly deal with:
There is no such thing as nothing. If it helps, let us say: In terms of existence, there is no such thing as nothing.
The term: "nothing", is a value that we represent in our recognitions/definitions (our sciences/understanding), and it reveals the problems we faced for the conversion/equation.
crawlFace 2 years ago
I'll look this one up. Thanks for the reference. I've often heard it said that Einstein's God was the God of Spinoza. I don't know that I've read any of Spinoza's work, but based on secondary summaries of his ideas, I've often wondered if his pantheism might not have been influenced by Kabbalah.
Cthulu51 2 years ago
I've heard that, too. I just skimmed some material on Spinoza, and it seems he changed his opinion a bit over time. So it's debated if he was a pantheist, or a panentheist. Some say a materialist, lol.
It looks like it is possible that Spinoza had some familiarity with Kabbalah, he may have had some books, but it is not certain.
I think Einstein saw the laws of nature as "God," but not the Abrahamic God. Some of the Founding Fathers who were Deists looked at it that way.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Its kind of simple "kind of" the hebrews and the other semitic people never talked directly to god they always talked with god through gabriel or the other angels.Its the exact same with other so called "pagan" religions their panteon of angels were their gods in all the mystery shools of all religions the true mystery was monotheistic but it was more like the tao or nibbana ect
hartejoseph 2 years ago
I differ with your comment that not all Abrahamic traditions can be right. They could all be wrong. You see, my beliefs line up very much with aspects of the Kabbalistic Tradition. While I concede that the point before creation is a mathematical unknown, and therefore the potential for God energy exists, this does not prove the existence of God, or anything for that matter. Also, I believe that the physical nature of the Universe WE CALL God, is in fact only the Sacred Universe Itself.
JulianTheApostateII 2 years ago
Julian, yes, that they could all be wrong was implied -- and I personally think they are all wrong.
My beliefs also line up with much of Kabbalah.
I do not hold that it "proves" the existence of God. I am merely saying that I like the parallel with modern physics -- of there first being a void, and then a universe coming into being from this nothing.
I'm basically an existentialist: humanity creates meaning. But I like the ideas of Kabbalah -- and Taoism -- for their models and metaphors.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
I've been dipping my fingers into the Magickal Moonlight. Hearing you (Steve) talk about Physics being God (in different words perhaps) , and the Einstein reference, was like an echo to my thoughts of last night. Sometimes we carry a certain energy within us but it cannot truly flourish until the right words are spoken, until we frame it in such a way that we can understand it on a core level. Such is the way of gradual enlightenment.
JulianTheApostateII 2 years ago
There is a fascinating article, summarizing the possible ways the universe may have come about -- scientific, religious -- the author has no agenda...
Google: Why This Universe? Toward a Toxonomy of Possible Explanations.
I like the parallels Kabbalah has with much of Eastern philosophy, and modern physics. The Tree of Life is a wonderful myth and metaphor for the structure of the universe.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Imagine a world without Wisdom... without Mystery. The Universe initiates us into its Mysteries, we do not initiate ourselves. While we must open our own eyes, we did not give ourselves those eyes, or these thoughts. The past year of my life has been revelatory. Tapping into the synchronised mechanism. Last night I was thinking "God is Science". I like putting words together like that. A mathematical representation of the Universe would also be a mathematical representation of God. cont above
JulianTheApostateII 2 years ago
"God is science," is basically what Einstein held; that knowing the laws of the universe is knowing the ways of "God."
Yes, the universe is our school.
There's a Robert Bly poem about how if we don't learn on our own, the universe gives us coincidences, then stronger ways of learning, such as accidents. I'd like to learn more gracefully, but I usually learn by accident, lol.
Thank you for your thoughtful comments, I greatly appreciate it! ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
time to leave your video alone. good luck with your free will. I won't be able to protect you from the hell, if you deserve it... matter fact, I can't protect myself from the hell if I end deserving it... enjoy your free will wisely? by the way, I forgot to correct you on Bina... it means the evidence and not understanding and that whole map is built for fun and is not linked to kabala by any mean. your video look like kabala for dummies :) you need to ask Madonna about that :)
Crap1is1science1too 2 years ago
You haven't responded to one comment of mine, but merely blathered on about devils, and reitering your nonsense.
I know you think you are on the Path, and saved -- but you are merely in an interesting room of Chapel Perilous.
I hope you wake up. Good luck!
StevenErnest 2 years ago
also, there is no 3 Abrahamic religions! and those who tell you so, are blinding you... it's easy to know it, doesn't need Phd in Math :). Abrahim believed to ONE ALMIGHT GOD called Allah. don't repeat you hear in the news without thinking about it? otherwise, you will be easy meal for the evil hunters...
Crap1is1science1too 2 years ago
kabala is not religion and you are not going to tell me the truth of what my forefathers been into... kabala is one more scum that the missfuided from my people, won't stop to use to fool you. I advice you, to read a book called "The Elders of Zion" and you will grow alots in your knowledge about the ways of devils...after that.
Crap1is1science1too 2 years ago
"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" has long ago been proved to be a work of fiction. You are filling your mind with mush.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
wake up? and stop fooling yourselves? the time pass quick and you are wasting your lives turning the ONLY AUTHENTIC MESSAGE REMAINING FROM ALLAH (ALQuor'aan) down and ralying on any stupid books given to you, to missguide you. that's all what I can do for you, it's up to you to decide to wake up.
Crap1is1science1too 2 years ago
You have the right to your belief, but the three Abrahamic religions -- which all have the same roots -- cannot all be correct.
Have you honestly researched other belief systems? I doubt it.
Thank you for commenting.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
is this some grandma stories covered in kabala and spiced by Einstein said and directed to atheists...!!!? by the way, I'm a Moslem descendant of Haroon the brother of Moses may the peace be on all of them. kabala or any mysticism in any so called religion, is nothing but dealing with devils from the way they require you to do. if there is any wisdom beside what Allah sent to humans, at least, one human being will use it to survive the time and be with us, for centuries...
Crap1is1science1too 2 years ago
What are you saying about Einstein? I don't follow...
Calling a deep and nuanced philosophy -- it is not necessarily a religion -- like Kabbalah as "dealing with devils," obviously shows you have no understanding of it.
Thank you for commenting.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
I was going to say that it is a shame that Christianity and Islam-Sufis and Gnostics excepted-have largely abandoned the mysticism that flourished in their parent religion Judaism. However, I remembered Allan Watts giving a talk on Greek/Eastern Orthodoxy, in which he discussed the intrinsically mystical nature of eastern Christianity. I had just assumed that Eastern Orthodoxy was more or less the same as the Roman Church.
Cthulu51 2 years ago
That's interesting. I need to research the mystical side of Christianity.
I understand that there's a Renaissance Christian Tradition of Cabala -- spelled with the C -- but I am not familiar with it.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Thank you for this steven, but can we have more info on kabbalah. Each time I try to do some research I still dont get what is being taught. I am speaking of techniques, is there kabalah meditation? what are practices if any? How do you implement the science of kabbalah? I am even taking one of those free courses, but it seems like just a lot of words and no teachings on applying, perhaps I gotta be more patient. Thank you
Spiritualseeker86 2 years ago
That's why I listed some good reference books in the sidebar --->
Meditating on the Tree is called, "Pathworking" -- meditating on each of the 22 paths that connect the spheres. The Stephen A. Hoeller book has a CD with his brief meditiations on each path.
Regarding a "free" course, you get what you pay for. BOTA has a correspondence course.
Remember, Kabbalah has two branches: The Jewish Tradition, and the Hermetic Tradition, the latter is what I discussed.
Thanks for the comment. ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
my AINus is a void.
y0uG0tpwned1 2 years ago