@ramio1983 Actually Anders Brevik was a terrorist, he just wasn't a Muslim terrorist, and no it is not justice. Brevik should either be executed or forced to spend the rest of his life behind bars, in solitary confinement, with no luxuries what soever.
@Ramio1983 How could Brevik have carried out and planned that horrible attack if he was insane? He did a lot of planning for that massacre. It wasn't just spontaneous.
And don't say this does not happen, whether it's happened once, only few times, whatever it is, it HAS taken place in various European cities, so please don't work around it by saying the problem does "not" exist. Please just answer the question my friend :)
@blade004 Umm DEPORT them. Im all for that. If someone is publically spewing hatred and the destruction of the country that supports them and houses their own people with rights and peace, yes deport them- or at least take them to councelling.
@ramio1983 Thank you for your input :) You are a "progressive" Muslim. You could perhaps make a video on the subject supporting what you just wrote in response?.
I must ask a question though -: If Muslims protest in the streets of a European city holding up placards citing the demise of a country for Muslim take over or someone like Anjem Choudary for whom does not work, lives off welfare and wants to bring Islamic law to the UK, what do "you" think should be done with such Muslims that "don't" follow the way "you" practice Islam and denounce a country that supports them?. Should they be immediately deported or allowed to stay?.
But Ramio, if you know the hadith is the result of such barbaric laws, how can you defend the continuation of such a religion as Islam that uses divinity as a means to an end. Even if what you say isnt mentioned or was added later, that is not the point.
@Steelsixtysix An American born Christian is not an "apostate" (besides they killed Muslims too which is worthy of hell-fire). Also the Quran nowhere applies the death penalty for Apostates and in the lifetime of the prophet we see he killed NO ONE for apostasy- this "rule" came from one vague hadith with no contextual or historical support and was applied by scholars after the death of the Prophet. So no, they are actually going against the Quran, completely. Thats how deluded they are.
@Steelsixtysix I am a Muslim and i can assure you Islam does not support terrorism. They just like Breivik have been led to believe in nonsense (Islamic takeover of Europe) and committed horrible acts in the name of their cause, so they are BOTH insane theres no difference.
people can go "insane" from one minute to the next, especially after an event causing some form of trauma. Not that I'm disagreeing one bit however, I think the "insane" card is pulled far too often, almost always abused by the perpetrators of violent crimes.
Few things, did the psychiatrists suggest that he was insane when he set off the bomb near government buildings in Oslo or was it just the attacks on Utoya island where he was insane? Was in insane for the nine years he spent planning? Was the diagnosis paranoid schizophrenia in the end? He really doesn't seem to be schizophrenic at all.
@callmeal84 Yeah it was paranoid schizophrenia and megalomania at the end. I must ask - he was clearly brainwashed into believing the lie of an Islamic takeover of Europe. He got so brainwashed that he not only believed it but believed he had to do something about it. Yet isn't that what happens to most people who commit such crimes? They are brainwashed and act upon an impulse and delusional standpoint- it happens so often yet those people are held fully responsible, yet he is not.
@ramio1983 Well, this is kind of the double standards of the whole thing. If he was a Muslim, it would be a different story. If he had been a Muslim, any possible connection he had in his manifesto would have been investigated. The EDL would be closed down and people like Spence, Geller, Fjordman would be interrogated. There would be talk of a global network of terror and mass fear-mongering. Breivik would be presented as motivated by a religious ideology and every follower would be blamed
@callmeal84 Thats so true, they got away with murder here quiet literally...There is next to no justice in this for me, and all those mentioned in the manifesto should be placed under heavy scrutiny too.
@ramio1983 I thought Condell's little video, violence is not the answer, was intersting though, I think it showed that Pat was seriously worried about the kind of loony audience he is getting. Made me a bit sick also, Pat didn't seem to care that people were dead, but that Breivik had ruined his hate campaign, and it is a hate campaign. Before he did what he did, Breivik made a video that was pretty much Condell with illustrations.
@ramio1983 From a Norwegian legal perspective, it is actually better to declare him insane, as that is the only way they can keep him locked up for life. Without that judgement, he would be out in 27 years at the very latest.
Terrorists may have a deluded view of what you consider to be Islam, but they have their own "manifesto". The quran is an amorphous book with massive ambiguity, and has some VERY clear calls to violence in it, especially at the end (chronologically speaking)
@mrsanity Yes the Quran has a few "war cries" in it- clearly directed to the Prophet Muhammed and only to be taken in the context historically, to a specified people. I can take barbarity from any book and claim it was the inspiration of my crime, even video games are blamed for people killing each other- at the end of the day their view of Islam IS warped because i know they are twisting it to their liking, and thats not how religion works i am afraid, they are simply insane.
@ramio1983 There is the issue that because Islam has no central authority (and those that do claim such a position are inevitably violently hateful individuals) any reform necessary to note the calls to violent jihad will be rejected as blasphemy/bidah by the rest of the ulema. There have been innumerable cases of muslims who genuinely try to spread a message of peace and tolerance that get browbeaten by salafi morons into hiding or retracting their views.
@callmeal84 The thing that pisses me off about the 'whole counter-jihad' crowd is that there hasn't been any pause for thought about where their diatribe can lead. Of course, most of the anti-Muslim bigots have said fleetingly that they don't condone violence. But here is the thing, if half of what they say about Islam is true, which of course it isn't, then violence would be a perfectly reasonable response. It is stirring up hatred and then saying 'oh we didn't mean for people to get hurt'.
@ramio1983 For Islam though Ramio you must be happy that he "was" labeled Insane because his idea of the take over from Islam will now be seen as completely invalid so as such Muslims would be celebrating and the families of the victims in Norway will be angry. Maybe not happy for you because you are a westernized Muslim but what do you think Anjem Choudary thinks of this?.
hypocrite bastards with double standards, when a non muslim does something bad he's insane, when a Muslim does something bad no one questions his sanity and BLAME the whole religion, including Muslims. brevick wasn't insane you idiots, we know its zionist controlled media. the terrorist brevkick himself said he found the charge of insanity to be INSULTING
@4Xderrick "Simple. There is no real "War on Terror". The war is against Islam, and the great obstacle it represents to Western hegemony."--There are many obstacles to Western hegemony. The greatest obstacle at the moment is the US Federal Government, which only serves the interests of its corporate donors and continues to take money from the poor and giving it out in tax breaks, subsidies and bailouts to the rich.
There is a silver lining to this cloud. In Europe we have a very clear understanding of what the penal system is for. The purpose of the penal system is to try and rehabilitate the criminal, i.e. make them fit to re-enter society, and penalties are often formulaic in that crime X will result in a sentence of Y years. His insanity will get him committed to a secure facility out of which he can only be discharged if he is ever declared "cured". And that ain't ever going to happen.
@rozeboosje True but the maximum penalty of 21 or so years to me is unjust on its own. Also it should be fair across the board. He took over 70 innocent lives all on his own. He had an intent. He planned it. He enacted upon it. He showed no remorse and still claims it was neccessary. Sure if he is insane then so are the Muslim extremists that believe blowing themselves up is killing innocents is a great way to "show the enemy". Why is a Muslim deemed sane in that situation but others not!?
If YOU are this (rightfully) upset by this double standard of Muslim vs. Christian terrorism, can you imagine what radical Islamists are saying about this mess? And how many moderate Muslims are going to feel this, too? Will it "radicalize" some of them? You're spot on.
While I can't conclusively say that Breivik is not insane, that certainly does appear to be the case. Regardless of any possible mental illness, Breivik is a clear danger to society and I'd prefer to see him in confinement for the rest of his life.
If he is found insane, and so avoids trial, he will still be detained indefinitely. One positive thing about this is that he would not have the chance to spread his hateful dogma to other prisoners, as he would in a regular prison.
@SupermarketsRevil Well the people of Norway are at disbelief of this conclusion. They tested him 13 times and simply said he is a man that "carries out his delusional desires" but i mean, so many other murderers, criminals and terrorists have done that exact same thing but they are trialled, jailed or executed- simple.
@ramio1983 "so many other murderers, criminals and terrorists have done that exact same thing but they are trialled, jailed or executed- simple."--Well there is no capital punishment in Scandinavia, so you're obviously referring to other nations there. I don't know of any comparable criminal trials in any Scandinavian nation, specifically Norway.
I need some kind of basis for comparison to conclude whether this medical finding is inconsistent.
You ask why Bin Laden is executed and Breivik is detained and studied. The answer clearly lies in the corresponding Gov't authorities. The US are typically far less humane, not to mention prejudicial against anyone who isn't white, in their treatment of suspected criminals than Scandinavian governments.
Are there any Muslim terrorists in Scandinavia to use as a basis for comparison?
My understanding is that studies are still ongoing and it's yet to be determined whether he will stand trial.
Being psychotic apparently does not preclude being a functional member of society or a high level of intelligence.
While I largely agree with your comparison of Breivik to muslim terrorists, I have no basis to conclude that either Breivik or any given muslim terrorist is insane. That is something that needs to be determined for each individual by professionals.
Spot on. Breivik is not and was not insane. Terrorists rarely are. If he was insane, why plan for all that time time? Why pick political targets? The insane card is designed to stop debate about where extreme righ-wing thinking can lead.
@callmeal84 Exactly, he did everything with great planning, so much so that he dressed up as a policeman to lure innocent people to him then he'd shoot them. Everything was so well done. People say "insane" because they know its the easy way out. Even Brievik himself doesnt agree that he is insane, he believes what he did was neccessary and in his admission he acted with full knowledge of the mayhem he had caused.
Sorry, you are wrong. He is insane. You cant just pull the paranoid schizophrenic megalomania card. THere is no such thing. He clearly suffers from something.
The difference between Breivik and a terrorist is that the terrorist is most likely just brainwashed. Breivik LITERALLY (acording to himself) believed he was part of a liberation group, and that he was in a real war. He obviously suffers from more then just extremism.
@gulbirk al qaeda members think they are a liberation group, just like breivik most of them are between 20 and 30 of age, their enemy is every country is that doesn't fit your description of insane i don't know what does.
bottom line if breivik is insane so are most suicide bombers, plus breivik is sane enough not to blow himself up
@MrFFSMAN You use the word insane in the compleatly wrong way. YOu have no clue what it means. Breivik is paranoid, schizophrenic and suffers from megalomania. You just throw around the word insane the way it fits you. What do you know about the motives that Al-Queada members have?
@gulbirk pay attention to what i wrote!!! if you single out every terrorist you can easily stick randomly symptoms you like, most of brainwashed ppl don't seem to be sane anyway, but for you muslim guy cannot act out of insanity he must be sane, but breivik is a white christian so he must be insane... the point is breivik is as sane as an alqaeda member he did it because of a twisted interpretation of his believes
if breivik was muslim nobody would have questioned his sanity,
@gulbirk "What do you know about the motives that Al-Queada members have?" i guess they were the same as breivik's , indoctrinated by hatred/propaganda and led to action by a false sense of justice
@MrFFSMAN Again you totally ignore all facts, like all of you seem to do by now.
"""the point is breivik is as sane as an alqaeda member""" NO, HE SIMPLY ISNT. Accept the god damn facts. He suffers from paranoid schizophrenic, and he suffers from magalomania. Just because USA dont threat muslims terrorists as pasients, does not mean that Norway will sink to the same animalistic idiotic level.
@gulbirk Define 'brainwashed'. You don't think muslim fundamentalists who use acts of violence to try to achieve their political and social ambitions view themselves as part of a 'liberation group'/freedom fighters? Two most commonly referenced terrorist groups, al qaeda and the taliban are very much in a 'real war'.
Mental illness is not a black and white condition. Rather, it is a progressive scale of symptoms.
I no difference between this christian terrorist and other muslim terrorists.
@SupermarketsRevil There is one. These two groups are in an actuall international conflict that is fact based. Anders Behring Breivik lives in an imaginary world in which he is part of a libertatian group that doesnt exist, and muslims are trying to take over the world.
Also, Breiviks view on reality is totally fucked. He demanded that a new society should be created, and that he should be given a leading roll. He has no bearing in reality.
@gulbirk " Anders Behring Breivik lives in an imaginary world in which he is part of a libertatian group that doesnt exist, and muslims are trying to take over the world."--As I said, I'm not in a position to judge his mental state. He may well be insane.
I was merely pointing out the similarities of his actions to that of a generic muslim terrorist. While the basis for his actions appear to be directly comparable to a muslim terrorist, I can't say the say for his mental state.
@SupermarketsRevil Oh but there is a difference. Taliban for example, is upset because of US forced operating in afghanistan. Now, I dont agree with what any of these extremist muslims groups say or do, but their actions and what they want is at least based on reality, and not an imaginary world in which they dont really have an enemy.
@gulbirk " but their actions and what they want is at least based on reality"--Yes and no. I'm sure muslim terrorists have many misconceptions about the actual state of things in reality, as was clearly the case with Breivik. Breivik did have concerns about certain issues based on observable fact, such as islamic immigration to Norway, it's just that had a completely distorted view of the that issue, as well as many others.
@SupermarketsRevil THere is a huge difference there. Occupation of a part of the world, or hate against them (which is what these muslim groups experience) is real.
Breiviks belief about immigration is just about as true as what Kent Hovind thinks about evolution. Or what the progress party (who breivik at one point supported) thinks about the economy.
@gulbirk "Breiviks belief about immigration is just about as true as what Kent Hovind thinks about evolution. "--I agree with you. Breivik's views are blatantly false and ridiculous. My point is that they are based on a real issue. , as are those views of muslim terrorists.
@SupermarketsRevil ""My point is that they are based on a real issue"" No they simply arent. Breivik had no real issue that he could use to defend his actions. He have made up an issue. The whole "immigration is bad"" dogma is made up and it isnt based on reality.
None the less, that wasnt the point. The point was that Breivik clearly suffers from several mental disabilities. He isnt just an extremist.
@gulbirk "The whole "immigration is bad"" dogma is made up and it isnt based on reality."--So why do nations have immigration laws and specific criteria for letting people in? Immigration clearly may or may not be bad depending on the situation. We agree that Breivik's personal views were untenable, but you seem to think that one cannot have ANY personal objections to immigration. While I am generally for immigration, there are legitimate concerns to be had with immigration laws.
@gulbirk " The point was that Breivik clearly suffers from several mental disabilities. He isnt just an extremist."--How is it clear to you that he suffers from a mental illness? Many horrible things have been done by perfectly sane, albeit irrational and hateful people in the course of human history.
I find it no more surprising that someone could turn out to be a islamophobic bigot like Breivik than they could become a Scientologist, (Obama) Birther, or Republican (as in the US party)
@gulbirk In any case, what people are concerned about here is sentencing. I would like to see Breivik confined for the rest of his life. Doesn't Norway have a mandatory maximum period of confinement though? Something like ~21 years, from memory. And would this still be the case if he is found to be mentally ill, or could he then be held indefinitely on those grounds?
@SupermarketsRevil """How is it clear to you that he suffers from a mental illness?"" Because thats what they concluded from conversations with him. Thats WHY there is no point in putting him in jail. Also, if you read some of what he has stated its rather obvious. He suffers from schizophrenic paranoida, and he also suffers from megalomania. To say that he is not insane, now thats insane.
I would also like to add that insane doesnt go by one defition. Dont confuse insane with mentally challenged or stupid or unable to do stuff. Many extremely smart people through out history has clearly suffered from some of the same things Breivik had.
Also, I would like to add that insane doesnt mean stupid. I have people in my family who are extremely smart, but who are also paranoid. This is something manny people can start developing over a short period of time too. That is what these professionals based their opinions on. Studying his behaviour, it seems as if he went from rather normal, to developing this paranoid schizophrenic megalomania mental illnes thing.
@gulbirk "Christian Hatlo, the Norwegian prosecutor, said that Mr Breivik had been 'insulted’ by the result and believed it would be used to mount a 'character assassination’ in the mass media.
“He said he had feared that conclusion, but didn’t think it would come,” Mr Hatlo said. “It didn’t appear that he accepted it"..
the terrorist said he was insulted by the conclusion that he was "insane". an insane person doesn't know that he's insane, only a NORMAL person would DENY insanity. logical
@muslim9x9x Hahahaha, you are clearly an idiot. Have you ever worked with anyone who in insane. LOADS of people who suffer from paranoia, and ESPESIALLY megalomania will deny everything bad said about them.
An insane person would always denide insanity if he suffers from these things. Basic scientific facts, you have no logic what so ever.
@gu there are many crazy people who don't know they're crazy because they are mentally retarded. there are different types. your talking about intelligent INSANE people who deny their INSANE, and that's my point. brevki is not insane, he knew what he was DOING as opposed to NOT knowing what he was DOING (insane) while insane people (who suffer from "schizophrenia", "megalomania", and others disorders) DO NOT know what they are doing! he's mentally sick/depressed, which is NOT same as 'insane
Ah, im from Norway, I have been following the case constantly the last day.
Here is the situation. He is decleared to have schizophrenic paranoida. And he also suffers from something called Megalomania.
Like any other criminal. Our law system says that you cant put a person like that in jail, however, he will be locked up an a psyciatric mental institution for quite some time. You cant put him in jail.
@gulbirk Thanks for your comment. I disagree wholeheartedly. You say a terrorist is brainwashed and this man was not but he has an illness. Well no. He IS brainwashed because he fell for the propoganda tool of Muslims "taking over" Europe. He visited brainwashing sites and supported brainwashing groups. So the difference between him and a Muslim fundamentalist is absolutely nothing. He is not more skitzo in regards to Muslims as Bin Laden was skitzo to the west- im not buying it at all.
@ramio1983 Fine, then point to any case in which a muslims terrorist has been caught and they have tested his mental health and concluded he suffers from paranoid schizophrenic megalomania and I will listen.
This isnt some diagnose that you need to look long and hard for. Its quite fucking obvious.
@gulbirk So let me get this right...If a Muslim terrorist has the same condition as Brievik and he is killed or sentenced to jail are you saying then he is being treated unjustly? I mean if a Muslim terrorist had the same symtoms and was also a schizophrenic and had megalomania then is it fair to say they too should be labelled as "Insane" or would they still be "terrorists". Im just trying to draw the distinction.
@ramio1983 Both. No one has at any point said that Breivik is not a terrorist, and that he isnt going to be sentenced. In fact it hasnt been accepted in court yet. But even if it is, he will be locked up in a mental institution and tested after 3 years. And he wont be let out if he still suffers from these things. Anyone who dont believe that is a punishment, is retarded. Sorry, there is just no other way to put it.
@gulbirk What if he is faking insanity? I mean i can pretend to be delusional. So what if he appears to become "cured" and a born-again normal person whilst in the mental institution- do you not think someone that is decieving enough to pretend he is a cop (so he can kill you) could also be pretending to be Insane? Not to mention, i have never heard of any Muslim terrorist being tested for insanity prior to any judgement whether it be death or jail- its still not right at all.
@ramio1983 """I mean i can pretend to be delusional"". No. You cant fake paranoid schizophrenia. You can only fake megalomania to an extent, but even that is hard. There are literally no examples of people being able to fake the two first "illnesses" because they are such a huge part of your whole personality. You would have to be faking constantly, they have had 36 hours together with him. Besides, why would be pretend to be insane, when he dont want people to see him as insane? NEXT
@gulbirk PART 2 """Not to mention, i have never heard of any Muslim terrorist being tested for insanity prior to any judgement whether it be death or jail- its still not right at all."""
Ok, so your logic here is that since the US government compleatly failes at caring about human rights, the Norwegian government should follow in their foot steps? Im not sure if I follow that.
@gulbirk Well any "sane" person would rather spend time in a psychiatric facility which is much better than a jail most of the time. If you look at his history people called him slightly vain, but otherwise pretty normal- as normal as you or i actually. All i want to know is has any captured Muslim terrorist been tested prior to their judgement for any mental condition? It always seems that other people that do it are crazy, but a Muslim is sane and knows what he is doing. They are on par!
@ramio1983 No of course not. What would be done? The difference is that there is a real war on terror, thats why terrorists are threated as soliders. This is a single case issue, and we have the power and time and resources to threat it properly, and you complain about that?
Ok, I challenge you. I challenge you find a case in history where someone was able to fake schizophrenic paranoida. Pluss, he WAS normal. This isnt something most people who have it are born with, NEXT
When they studied Breiviks past it was apparent that at some point he started socialising less and less. Its something most people that have it, develop over time.
When they studied Breiviks past it was apparent that at some point he started socialising less and less. Its something most people that have it, develop over time.
@gulbirk Well even if the terrorist see a real "threat" the actions are parralel to each other. Both Brievik and Terrorists believed that by attacking INNOCENT people that have nothing to do with the impending problem that they would teach the "other side" a lesson. There is absolutely no difference in the actions both of these types take, yet their wording is different- "insane" and "terrorist" are worlds apart. Brievik has got u round his finger, fooling u- just as he decieved them kids.!
@ramio1983 You are the only one tripping around without understanding anything here. Terrorists kill innocent goals. THe labour camp was not (to him) an innocent nor random goal. It was his direct enemy.
Besides, why does that matter. You are so upset that the US cant handle things properly, that you believe Norway should sink to the same level. We are dealing with a man that suffers from mental damages here. He doesnt belong in a jail.
@gulbirk I am not offending the Norwegien system- well actually no you know what a maximum 20 something year prison sentence is retarded, an absolute insult - and America has much fixing to do, not to mention my country Australia where people get 10 years jail for stealing money, but 5 years jail for taking a life. Terrorists dont see the west as "innocent" in their crazy minds killing anyone is justified to further their goal. Brievik admitted what he did was atrocious (wrong) but neccessary!
@ramio1983 Ah, assuming the maximum sentence in 20 years is not true at all.
YOu will not be realeased from Norwegian prison until they can testify that there wont be a danger for his own life when he gets out, and he wont be a danger to others.
Mental institution is ALLOT better. If he gets locked up there he wont get out until he can prove that he no longer suffers from any of these sympthoms, something that will not be required if he is put in jail.
@gulbirk I just dont trust him man, i really think he is playing with people and trying to make the most of his situation. As long as in my lifetime he is in jail through-out i will be happy, i dont want to hear him being released anywhere or anytime that im still breathing.
Just look at the fucking treatment Fritzel received in his cell and you get the jist off Scandanavian policy on criminals.
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You are right. He has a disturbed personality but he is not insane.
Norwegians are outraged. He does not need medication so how could these "experts" claim that he is psychotic?
There will be a new evaluation soon (by new experts).
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Varavaken 1 month ago
@ramio1983 Actually Anders Brevik was a terrorist, he just wasn't a Muslim terrorist, and no it is not justice. Brevik should either be executed or forced to spend the rest of his life behind bars, in solitary confinement, with no luxuries what soever.
GargamelGold 2 months ago
@Ramio1983 How could Brevik have carried out and planned that horrible attack if he was insane? He did a lot of planning for that massacre. It wasn't just spontaneous.
GargamelGold 2 months ago
And don't say this does not happen, whether it's happened once, only few times, whatever it is, it HAS taken place in various European cities, so please don't work around it by saying the problem does "not" exist. Please just answer the question my friend :)
blade004 2 months ago
@blade004 Umm DEPORT them. Im all for that. If someone is publically spewing hatred and the destruction of the country that supports them and houses their own people with rights and peace, yes deport them- or at least take them to councelling.
ramio1983 2 months ago
@ramio1983 Thank you for your input :) You are a "progressive" Muslim. You could perhaps make a video on the subject supporting what you just wrote in response?.
blade004 2 months ago
I must ask a question though -: If Muslims protest in the streets of a European city holding up placards citing the demise of a country for Muslim take over or someone like Anjem Choudary for whom does not work, lives off welfare and wants to bring Islamic law to the UK, what do "you" think should be done with such Muslims that "don't" follow the way "you" practice Islam and denounce a country that supports them?. Should they be immediately deported or allowed to stay?.
blade004 2 months ago
But Ramio, if you know the hadith is the result of such barbaric laws, how can you defend the continuation of such a religion as Islam that uses divinity as a means to an end. Even if what you say isnt mentioned or was added later, that is not the point.
blade004 2 months ago
@Steelsixtysix An American born Christian is not an "apostate" (besides they killed Muslims too which is worthy of hell-fire). Also the Quran nowhere applies the death penalty for Apostates and in the lifetime of the prophet we see he killed NO ONE for apostasy- this "rule" came from one vague hadith with no contextual or historical support and was applied by scholars after the death of the Prophet. So no, they are actually going against the Quran, completely. Thats how deluded they are.
ramio1983 2 months ago
@Steelsixtysix I am a Muslim and i can assure you Islam does not support terrorism. They just like Breivik have been led to believe in nonsense (Islamic takeover of Europe) and committed horrible acts in the name of their cause, so they are BOTH insane theres no difference.
ramio1983 2 months ago
@Steelsixtysix What about a person that flies planes into buildings?
ramio1983 2 months ago
The question is if evil is insanity or insanity is evil.
karikon11 2 months ago
people can go "insane" from one minute to the next, especially after an event causing some form of trauma. Not that I'm disagreeing one bit however, I think the "insane" card is pulled far too often, almost always abused by the perpetrators of violent crimes.
cptorangutang2 2 months ago
An excellent debate and well worth the watch to all those willing.
YouTube search the following video title -:
Democracy or Theocracy? Robert Spencer vs. Anjem Choudary & Abu Izzadeen
blade004 2 months ago
Pffff
XTheLieR 2 months ago
It's spelt Norwegian.
tbg0o 3 months ago
@tbg0o I know - just a typo will fix it shortly.
ramio1983 3 months ago
Few things, did the psychiatrists suggest that he was insane when he set off the bomb near government buildings in Oslo or was it just the attacks on Utoya island where he was insane? Was in insane for the nine years he spent planning? Was the diagnosis paranoid schizophrenia in the end? He really doesn't seem to be schizophrenic at all.
callmeal84 3 months ago
@callmeal84
**Was he insane**
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**Was he insane**
callmeal84 3 months ago
@callmeal84 Yeah it was paranoid schizophrenia and megalomania at the end. I must ask - he was clearly brainwashed into believing the lie of an Islamic takeover of Europe. He got so brainwashed that he not only believed it but believed he had to do something about it. Yet isn't that what happens to most people who commit such crimes? They are brainwashed and act upon an impulse and delusional standpoint- it happens so often yet those people are held fully responsible, yet he is not.
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 Well, this is kind of the double standards of the whole thing. If he was a Muslim, it would be a different story. If he had been a Muslim, any possible connection he had in his manifesto would have been investigated. The EDL would be closed down and people like Spence, Geller, Fjordman would be interrogated. There would be talk of a global network of terror and mass fear-mongering. Breivik would be presented as motivated by a religious ideology and every follower would be blamed
callmeal84 3 months ago
@callmeal84 Thats so true, they got away with murder here quiet literally...There is next to no justice in this for me, and all those mentioned in the manifesto should be placed under heavy scrutiny too.
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 I thought Condell's little video, violence is not the answer, was intersting though, I think it showed that Pat was seriously worried about the kind of loony audience he is getting. Made me a bit sick also, Pat didn't seem to care that people were dead, but that Breivik had ruined his hate campaign, and it is a hate campaign. Before he did what he did, Breivik made a video that was pretty much Condell with illustrations.
callmeal84 3 months ago
@ramio1983 From a Norwegian legal perspective, it is actually better to declare him insane, as that is the only way they can keep him locked up for life. Without that judgement, he would be out in 27 years at the very latest.
Terrorists may have a deluded view of what you consider to be Islam, but they have their own "manifesto". The quran is an amorphous book with massive ambiguity, and has some VERY clear calls to violence in it, especially at the end (chronologically speaking)
mrsanity 2 months ago
@mrsanity Yes the Quran has a few "war cries" in it- clearly directed to the Prophet Muhammed and only to be taken in the context historically, to a specified people. I can take barbarity from any book and claim it was the inspiration of my crime, even video games are blamed for people killing each other- at the end of the day their view of Islam IS warped because i know they are twisting it to their liking, and thats not how religion works i am afraid, they are simply insane.
ramio1983 2 months ago
@ramio1983 There is the issue that because Islam has no central authority (and those that do claim such a position are inevitably violently hateful individuals) any reform necessary to note the calls to violent jihad will be rejected as blasphemy/bidah by the rest of the ulema. There have been innumerable cases of muslims who genuinely try to spread a message of peace and tolerance that get browbeaten by salafi morons into hiding or retracting their views.
mrsanity 2 months ago
@mrsanity oops, note was meant to have been rewritten as quiet
mrsanity 2 months ago
@callmeal84 The thing that pisses me off about the 'whole counter-jihad' crowd is that there hasn't been any pause for thought about where their diatribe can lead. Of course, most of the anti-Muslim bigots have said fleetingly that they don't condone violence. But here is the thing, if half of what they say about Islam is true, which of course it isn't, then violence would be a perfectly reasonable response. It is stirring up hatred and then saying 'oh we didn't mean for people to get hurt'.
callmeal84 3 months ago
@callmeal84 bravo! you nailed it
numb1010 3 months ago
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AHopeforPeace1 2 months ago
@ramio1983 For Islam though Ramio you must be happy that he "was" labeled Insane because his idea of the take over from Islam will now be seen as completely invalid so as such Muslims would be celebrating and the families of the victims in Norway will be angry. Maybe not happy for you because you are a westernized Muslim but what do you think Anjem Choudary thinks of this?.
blade004 2 months ago
Ahhh...yay you're back!!! <3 Great video! ;)
Can't wait for the next one! :D
"Well, no shit sherlock. He murdered 77 people." Omg...I just died of laughter! xD
As always, great points! :)
xKaramela 3 months ago
@xKaramela Loving the support <3
ramio1983 3 months ago
Oh & this video is going straight to my favorites!!! :)
xKaramela 3 months ago
Hehehahaha........ WHAT?
malakoz 3 months ago
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Asalaamu Alaikum/Peace,
Just give him a beard and they'll ship him to Guantanamo Bay - problem solved.
Perseveranze 3 months ago
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Perseveranze 3 months ago
It's ironic for sure since this type of policy is exactly what he was striking out against
jimmycornbread 3 months ago
hypocrite bastards with double standards, when a non muslim does something bad he's insane, when a Muslim does something bad no one questions his sanity and BLAME the whole religion, including Muslims. brevick wasn't insane you idiots, we know its zionist controlled media. the terrorist brevkick himself said he found the charge of insanity to be INSULTING
muslim9x9x 3 months ago
Simple. There is no real "War on Terror". The war is against Islam, and the great obstacle it represents to Western hegemony.
4Xderrick 3 months ago
@4Xderrick I hear you.
ramio1983 3 months ago
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@4Xderrick "Simple. There is no real "War on Terror". The war is against Islam, and the great obstacle it represents to Western hegemony."--There are many obstacles to Western hegemony. The greatest obstacle at the moment is the US Federal Government, which only serves the interests of its corporate donors and continues to take money from the poor and giving it out in tax breaks, subsidies and bailouts to the rich.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
Good point around the 4 minute mark, by the way.
rozeboosje 3 months ago
There is a silver lining to this cloud. In Europe we have a very clear understanding of what the penal system is for. The purpose of the penal system is to try and rehabilitate the criminal, i.e. make them fit to re-enter society, and penalties are often formulaic in that crime X will result in a sentence of Y years. His insanity will get him committed to a secure facility out of which he can only be discharged if he is ever declared "cured". And that ain't ever going to happen.
rozeboosje 3 months ago
@rozeboosje True but the maximum penalty of 21 or so years to me is unjust on its own. Also it should be fair across the board. He took over 70 innocent lives all on his own. He had an intent. He planned it. He enacted upon it. He showed no remorse and still claims it was neccessary. Sure if he is insane then so are the Muslim extremists that believe blowing themselves up is killing innocents is a great way to "show the enemy". Why is a Muslim deemed sane in that situation but others not!?
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 That's the "good point" you make around the 4 minute mark. :-) Insane is insane is insane is insane.
rozeboosje 3 months ago
@rozeboosje Ahh i got ya, thanks :)
ramio1983 3 months ago
If YOU are this (rightfully) upset by this double standard of Muslim vs. Christian terrorism, can you imagine what radical Islamists are saying about this mess? And how many moderate Muslims are going to feel this, too? Will it "radicalize" some of them? You're spot on.
rriverstone1 3 months ago
@rriverstone1 I doubt it will radicalize them- it just makes us want to speak out more against this clear double standard.
ramio1983 3 months ago
All the terrorists deserve deprogramming.
MsMrNoface 3 months ago
Nice vid. Kind of troubling to think that Breivik might not even pay for his horrendous crimes.
SharpesAccomplice 3 months ago
Also, yeah; it's not right that Breivik might be acquited for being a madman.
Gunderson002 3 months ago
While I can't conclusively say that Breivik is not insane, that certainly does appear to be the case. Regardless of any possible mental illness, Breivik is a clear danger to society and I'd prefer to see him in confinement for the rest of his life.
If he is found insane, and so avoids trial, he will still be detained indefinitely. One positive thing about this is that he would not have the chance to spread his hateful dogma to other prisoners, as he would in a regular prison.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil Well the people of Norway are at disbelief of this conclusion. They tested him 13 times and simply said he is a man that "carries out his delusional desires" but i mean, so many other murderers, criminals and terrorists have done that exact same thing but they are trialled, jailed or executed- simple.
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 "so many other murderers, criminals and terrorists have done that exact same thing but they are trialled, jailed or executed- simple."--Well there is no capital punishment in Scandinavia, so you're obviously referring to other nations there. I don't know of any comparable criminal trials in any Scandinavian nation, specifically Norway.
I need some kind of basis for comparison to conclude whether this medical finding is inconsistent.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
Bali or Mali? I can't tell what you're saying, sorry...
Gunderson002 3 months ago
@Gunderson002 Thats okay i said Bali :-)
ramio1983 3 months ago
You ask why Bin Laden is executed and Breivik is detained and studied. The answer clearly lies in the corresponding Gov't authorities. The US are typically far less humane, not to mention prejudicial against anyone who isn't white, in their treatment of suspected criminals than Scandinavian governments.
Are there any Muslim terrorists in Scandinavia to use as a basis for comparison?
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
My understanding is that studies are still ongoing and it's yet to be determined whether he will stand trial.
Being psychotic apparently does not preclude being a functional member of society or a high level of intelligence.
While I largely agree with your comparison of Breivik to muslim terrorists, I have no basis to conclude that either Breivik or any given muslim terrorist is insane. That is something that needs to be determined for each individual by professionals.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
Spot on. Breivik is not and was not insane. Terrorists rarely are. If he was insane, why plan for all that time time? Why pick political targets? The insane card is designed to stop debate about where extreme righ-wing thinking can lead.
callmeal84 3 months ago
@callmeal84 Exactly, he did everything with great planning, so much so that he dressed up as a policeman to lure innocent people to him then he'd shoot them. Everything was so well done. People say "insane" because they know its the easy way out. Even Brievik himself doesnt agree that he is insane, he believes what he did was neccessary and in his admission he acted with full knowledge of the mayhem he had caused.
ramio1983 3 months ago
Sorry, you are wrong. He is insane. You cant just pull the paranoid schizophrenic megalomania card. THere is no such thing. He clearly suffers from something.
gulbirk 3 months ago
The difference between Breivik and a terrorist is that the terrorist is most likely just brainwashed. Breivik LITERALLY (acording to himself) believed he was part of a liberation group, and that he was in a real war. He obviously suffers from more then just extremism.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk al qaeda members believe they are part of a liberation group and that they are in a real war
MrFFSMAN 3 months ago
@MrFFSMAN No. Al Qaeda members ARE in a real war. There is a real conflict there.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk al qaeda members think they are a liberation group, just like breivik most of them are between 20 and 30 of age, their enemy is every country is that doesn't fit your description of insane i don't know what does.
bottom line if breivik is insane so are most suicide bombers, plus breivik is sane enough not to blow himself up
MrFFSMAN 3 months ago
@MrFFSMAN You use the word insane in the compleatly wrong way. YOu have no clue what it means. Breivik is paranoid, schizophrenic and suffers from megalomania. You just throw around the word insane the way it fits you. What do you know about the motives that Al-Queada members have?
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk pay attention to what i wrote!!! if you single out every terrorist you can easily stick randomly symptoms you like, most of brainwashed ppl don't seem to be sane anyway, but for you muslim guy cannot act out of insanity he must be sane, but breivik is a white christian so he must be insane... the point is breivik is as sane as an alqaeda member he did it because of a twisted interpretation of his believes
if breivik was muslim nobody would have questioned his sanity,
MrFFSMAN 3 months ago
@MrFFSMAN Damn straight thats so right!
ramio1983 3 months ago
@gulbirk "What do you know about the motives that Al-Queada members have?" i guess they were the same as breivik's , indoctrinated by hatred/propaganda and led to action by a false sense of justice
MrFFSMAN 3 months ago
@MrFFSMAN Again you totally ignore all facts, like all of you seem to do by now.
"""the point is breivik is as sane as an alqaeda member""" NO, HE SIMPLY ISNT. Accept the god damn facts. He suffers from paranoid schizophrenic, and he suffers from magalomania. Just because USA dont threat muslims terrorists as pasients, does not mean that Norway will sink to the same animalistic idiotic level.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk your a dickhead for believing the media
muslim9x9x 3 months ago
@gulbirk Define 'brainwashed'. You don't think muslim fundamentalists who use acts of violence to try to achieve their political and social ambitions view themselves as part of a 'liberation group'/freedom fighters? Two most commonly referenced terrorist groups, al qaeda and the taliban are very much in a 'real war'.
Mental illness is not a black and white condition. Rather, it is a progressive scale of symptoms.
I no difference between this christian terrorist and other muslim terrorists.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil There is one. These two groups are in an actuall international conflict that is fact based. Anders Behring Breivik lives in an imaginary world in which he is part of a libertatian group that doesnt exist, and muslims are trying to take over the world.
Also, Breiviks view on reality is totally fucked. He demanded that a new society should be created, and that he should be given a leading roll. He has no bearing in reality.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk " Anders Behring Breivik lives in an imaginary world in which he is part of a libertatian group that doesnt exist, and muslims are trying to take over the world."--As I said, I'm not in a position to judge his mental state. He may well be insane.
I was merely pointing out the similarities of his actions to that of a generic muslim terrorist. While the basis for his actions appear to be directly comparable to a muslim terrorist, I can't say the say for his mental state.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil Oh but there is a difference. Taliban for example, is upset because of US forced operating in afghanistan. Now, I dont agree with what any of these extremist muslims groups say or do, but their actions and what they want is at least based on reality, and not an imaginary world in which they dont really have an enemy.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk " but their actions and what they want is at least based on reality"--Yes and no. I'm sure muslim terrorists have many misconceptions about the actual state of things in reality, as was clearly the case with Breivik. Breivik did have concerns about certain issues based on observable fact, such as islamic immigration to Norway, it's just that had a completely distorted view of the that issue, as well as many others.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil THere is a huge difference there. Occupation of a part of the world, or hate against them (which is what these muslim groups experience) is real.
Breiviks belief about immigration is just about as true as what Kent Hovind thinks about evolution. Or what the progress party (who breivik at one point supported) thinks about the economy.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk "Breiviks belief about immigration is just about as true as what Kent Hovind thinks about evolution. "--I agree with you. Breivik's views are blatantly false and ridiculous. My point is that they are based on a real issue. , as are those views of muslim terrorists.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil ""My point is that they are based on a real issue"" No they simply arent. Breivik had no real issue that he could use to defend his actions. He have made up an issue. The whole "immigration is bad"" dogma is made up and it isnt based on reality.
None the less, that wasnt the point. The point was that Breivik clearly suffers from several mental disabilities. He isnt just an extremist.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk "The whole "immigration is bad"" dogma is made up and it isnt based on reality."--So why do nations have immigration laws and specific criteria for letting people in? Immigration clearly may or may not be bad depending on the situation. We agree that Breivik's personal views were untenable, but you seem to think that one cannot have ANY personal objections to immigration. While I am generally for immigration, there are legitimate concerns to be had with immigration laws.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@gulbirk " The point was that Breivik clearly suffers from several mental disabilities. He isnt just an extremist."--How is it clear to you that he suffers from a mental illness? Many horrible things have been done by perfectly sane, albeit irrational and hateful people in the course of human history.
I find it no more surprising that someone could turn out to be a islamophobic bigot like Breivik than they could become a Scientologist, (Obama) Birther, or Republican (as in the US party)
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@gulbirk In any case, what people are concerned about here is sentencing. I would like to see Breivik confined for the rest of his life. Doesn't Norway have a mandatory maximum period of confinement though? Something like ~21 years, from memory. And would this still be the case if he is found to be mentally ill, or could he then be held indefinitely on those grounds?
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil """How is it clear to you that he suffers from a mental illness?"" Because thats what they concluded from conversations with him. Thats WHY there is no point in putting him in jail. Also, if you read some of what he has stated its rather obvious. He suffers from schizophrenic paranoida, and he also suffers from megalomania. To say that he is not insane, now thats insane.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil Oh you're spot on. *applauds*
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 :)
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
I would also like to add that insane doesnt go by one defition. Dont confuse insane with mentally challenged or stupid or unable to do stuff. Many extremely smart people through out history has clearly suffered from some of the same things Breivik had.
gulbirk 3 months ago
Also, I would like to add that insane doesnt mean stupid. I have people in my family who are extremely smart, but who are also paranoid. This is something manny people can start developing over a short period of time too. That is what these professionals based their opinions on. Studying his behaviour, it seems as if he went from rather normal, to developing this paranoid schizophrenic megalomania mental illnes thing.
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@gulbirk "Christian Hatlo, the Norwegian prosecutor, said that Mr Breivik had been 'insulted’ by the result and believed it would be used to mount a 'character assassination’ in the mass media.
“He said he had feared that conclusion, but didn’t think it would come,” Mr Hatlo said. “It didn’t appear that he accepted it"..
the terrorist said he was insulted by the conclusion that he was "insane". an insane person doesn't know that he's insane, only a NORMAL person would DENY insanity. logical
muslim9x9x 3 months ago
@muslim9x9x Hahahaha, you are clearly an idiot. Have you ever worked with anyone who in insane. LOADS of people who suffer from paranoia, and ESPESIALLY megalomania will deny everything bad said about them.
An insane person would always denide insanity if he suffers from these things. Basic scientific facts, you have no logic what so ever.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gu there are many crazy people who don't know they're crazy because they are mentally retarded. there are different types. your talking about intelligent INSANE people who deny their INSANE, and that's my point. brevki is not insane, he knew what he was DOING as opposed to NOT knowing what he was DOING (insane) while insane people (who suffer from "schizophrenia", "megalomania", and others disorders) DO NOT know what they are doing! he's mentally sick/depressed, which is NOT same as 'insane
muslim9x9x 3 months ago
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muslim9x9x 3 months ago
Ah, im from Norway, I have been following the case constantly the last day.
Here is the situation. He is decleared to have schizophrenic paranoida. And he also suffers from something called Megalomania.
Like any other criminal. Our law system says that you cant put a person like that in jail, however, he will be locked up an a psyciatric mental institution for quite some time. You cant put him in jail.
gulbirk 3 months ago 5
@gulbirk Thanks for your comment. I disagree wholeheartedly. You say a terrorist is brainwashed and this man was not but he has an illness. Well no. He IS brainwashed because he fell for the propoganda tool of Muslims "taking over" Europe. He visited brainwashing sites and supported brainwashing groups. So the difference between him and a Muslim fundamentalist is absolutely nothing. He is not more skitzo in regards to Muslims as Bin Laden was skitzo to the west- im not buying it at all.
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 Fine, then point to any case in which a muslims terrorist has been caught and they have tested his mental health and concluded he suffers from paranoid schizophrenic megalomania and I will listen.
This isnt some diagnose that you need to look long and hard for. Its quite fucking obvious.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk So let me get this right...If a Muslim terrorist has the same condition as Brievik and he is killed or sentenced to jail are you saying then he is being treated unjustly? I mean if a Muslim terrorist had the same symtoms and was also a schizophrenic and had megalomania then is it fair to say they too should be labelled as "Insane" or would they still be "terrorists". Im just trying to draw the distinction.
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 Both. No one has at any point said that Breivik is not a terrorist, and that he isnt going to be sentenced. In fact it hasnt been accepted in court yet. But even if it is, he will be locked up in a mental institution and tested after 3 years. And he wont be let out if he still suffers from these things. Anyone who dont believe that is a punishment, is retarded. Sorry, there is just no other way to put it.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk What if he is faking insanity? I mean i can pretend to be delusional. So what if he appears to become "cured" and a born-again normal person whilst in the mental institution- do you not think someone that is decieving enough to pretend he is a cop (so he can kill you) could also be pretending to be Insane? Not to mention, i have never heard of any Muslim terrorist being tested for insanity prior to any judgement whether it be death or jail- its still not right at all.
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 """I mean i can pretend to be delusional"". No. You cant fake paranoid schizophrenia. You can only fake megalomania to an extent, but even that is hard. There are literally no examples of people being able to fake the two first "illnesses" because they are such a huge part of your whole personality. You would have to be faking constantly, they have had 36 hours together with him. Besides, why would be pretend to be insane, when he dont want people to see him as insane? NEXT
gulbirk 3 months ago
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@gulbirk PART 2 """Not to mention, i have never heard of any Muslim terrorist being tested for insanity prior to any judgement whether it be death or jail- its still not right at all."""
Ok, so your logic here is that since the US government compleatly failes at caring about human rights, the Norwegian government should follow in their foot steps? Im not sure if I follow that.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk Well any "sane" person would rather spend time in a psychiatric facility which is much better than a jail most of the time. If you look at his history people called him slightly vain, but otherwise pretty normal- as normal as you or i actually. All i want to know is has any captured Muslim terrorist been tested prior to their judgement for any mental condition? It always seems that other people that do it are crazy, but a Muslim is sane and knows what he is doing. They are on par!
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 No of course not. What would be done? The difference is that there is a real war on terror, thats why terrorists are threated as soliders. This is a single case issue, and we have the power and time and resources to threat it properly, and you complain about that?
Ok, I challenge you. I challenge you find a case in history where someone was able to fake schizophrenic paranoida. Pluss, he WAS normal. This isnt something most people who have it are born with, NEXT
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk PART 2
When they studied Breiviks past it was apparent that at some point he started socialising less and less. Its something most people that have it, develop over time.
gulbirk 3 months ago
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@gulbirk PART 2
When they studied Breiviks past it was apparent that at some point he started socialising less and less. Its something most people that have it, develop over time.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk Well even if the terrorist see a real "threat" the actions are parralel to each other. Both Brievik and Terrorists believed that by attacking INNOCENT people that have nothing to do with the impending problem that they would teach the "other side" a lesson. There is absolutely no difference in the actions both of these types take, yet their wording is different- "insane" and "terrorist" are worlds apart. Brievik has got u round his finger, fooling u- just as he decieved them kids.!
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 You are the only one tripping around without understanding anything here. Terrorists kill innocent goals. THe labour camp was not (to him) an innocent nor random goal. It was his direct enemy.
Besides, why does that matter. You are so upset that the US cant handle things properly, that you believe Norway should sink to the same level. We are dealing with a man that suffers from mental damages here. He doesnt belong in a jail.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk I am not offending the Norwegien system- well actually no you know what a maximum 20 something year prison sentence is retarded, an absolute insult - and America has much fixing to do, not to mention my country Australia where people get 10 years jail for stealing money, but 5 years jail for taking a life. Terrorists dont see the west as "innocent" in their crazy minds killing anyone is justified to further their goal. Brievik admitted what he did was atrocious (wrong) but neccessary!
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 Ah, assuming the maximum sentence in 20 years is not true at all.
YOu will not be realeased from Norwegian prison until they can testify that there wont be a danger for his own life when he gets out, and he wont be a danger to others.
Mental institution is ALLOT better. If he gets locked up there he wont get out until he can prove that he no longer suffers from any of these sympthoms, something that will not be required if he is put in jail.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk I just dont trust him man, i really think he is playing with people and trying to make the most of his situation. As long as in my lifetime he is in jail through-out i will be happy, i dont want to hear him being released anywhere or anytime that im still breathing.
ramio1983 3 months ago
@ramio1983 Would you mind if I posted a response video to this video?
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk No of course not, youre free to do as you wish.
ramio1983 3 months ago