Lol, failed attempt at discrediting him, but nice effort.
First there's no proof that he created the accounts (or that they're even socks). Assuming that they were socks, they could've been created by anybody.
Second, the guy has almost 30,000 subscribers, so why would he waste time creating about 30 socks?
Why can't any of you guys actually refute his arguments? Even if he was a shameless self-promoter, his arguments would still stand anyway, so you haven't done anything to discredit him.
@cristoballs I just happened to have stumbled upon this feud or whatever you call it. If you don't want people commenting on it, why don't you delete it?
The evidence in the video is that they are not sock accounts. Look at the wide range of subscription dates and # of videos watched, which Lee could not easily fake. It's not impossible, but it would be insanely complicated to do so, and would have required multi-year planning. Maybe he has a few socks, I have no idea.
@silikon2 "If you don't want people commenting on it, why don't you delete it?"
this video got a lot of traction, in large part because it was featured on tf00t's channel. there are a few mirrors of this video on youtube. so i figured it's best to leave the original up, being that i was the person that started the whole thing with the sock account accusations. so if anyone wants to continue making the claim, they can be directed to this video. make sense?
@cristoballs Well, it just seemed obnoxious in your captions to imply that anyone that might have an issue with it was hung up on something. With respect, I would definitely leave the video up for the reasons you stated, but drop those captions and let people decide for themselves on the merits. I don't know if a lot of people are hung up on it, but it is very off-putting to newer viewers of this material to make that claim.
Which argument? That government spending doesn't stimulate the economy? haha - yes it does.
How about taxes - guess what the top marginal rate in the year that America's unemployment rate was the lowest? 92% in 1953 with an unemployment rate of 2.5% - I'm not saying there is a clear causal link here, but it certainly turns Doren's arguments upside down.
Lee has no real arguments. Just ideological conjecture and assumptions.
This is BS. If HTWW actually had sock accounts, he would have to make hundreds to actually make a difference in his subscriber population. There is no proof of sock accounts.
@cristoballs good for you, your own video made you look like a moron and to defend yourself from criticism you tell people they have no life. You're an idiot. You're an Idiot. You're an idiot.
@Cristoballs, "pure speculation" no, you presented facts and offered the best logic explanation. A competent lawyer type, which Lee obviously is not, would have said, "Not my accounts. I can't control who subscribes, but would appreciate any socks to please unsubscribe as I don't need your support". End of story. Instead Lee threatened "further action", hid his sub list and called on his 12500 subs to make support videos (only 1 complied)
"dwelling...on someone they hate" or love, your point?
@cristoballs, as you know I stumbled on your title change a few days ago, and just now reading the description.
"people are still talking about this video" so? ANY video gets residual if not a steady state of traffic for as long as it's posted. Don't like it? Then take the video down.
"no evidence that that any of the accounts used in this video are owned by lee", fact is 1 in 6 accounts looked like socks, Lee's sub growth flatlined for 2 weeks (deleting subs?), then he hide his sub list.
@finchy633 i noticed some people were becoming a bit too consumed with the whole sock account thing, so much so, that they didn't even care what he was saying half the time. it really began to bother me because i was responsible for that. now, i don't agree with everything he says, but i do agree with him a lot more than i previously gave him credit for, particularly when it comes to things like capitalism. so i really don't care to dwell on something that might be true...(cont.)
@cristoballs especially when the evidence supporting the whole sock account claim is flimsy, at best. i think it's a lot easier to come to common ground when people talk, rather than continuously trying to top the other person with "pwnage" videos.
@cristoballs, what are you hoping for? That HTWW will unblock you and you'll become bestest capitalist friends? Now and again I see your polite posts on other videos asking HTWW a question, begging him to unblock you, etc. Have some self-respect. The guy blocked you, because that's what a censorer does. I'm blocked too, but unlike you I've no interest in being unblocked or wasting a second contributing to HTWW's channel (such effort could be censored in a heart beat) or favoriting his opinions.
@ZangaroZen don't you think you're being just a little over-zealous in this whole sock account thing as well as your overall contempt for lee doren? for the sake of argument, let's say they really are sock accounts. SO WHAT?!? do you honestly think 20,000+ subs he has are all sock accounts? furthermore, do you think the well-known people who have invited him on their news programs give a rat's ass about sock accounts or youtube for that matter? (cont.)
@cristoballs eventually, you're going to have to admit that he is a smart person. regardless of what you think about his political views, you can't deny that he has addressed nearly every argument he's presented with in opposition to his views. i say "nearly" because there are some i've read, some which come from you as well, that don't deserve a response, either because they nothing more than bigoted statements attempting to portray him as some sort of zionist.
@cristoballs or they attack his job and refer to him as some sort of "shill". how about in stead of using these ad hominem attacks to try and discredit him, these actually take the time to actually discuss things with him in a calm, rational manner? i suppose that would be too difficult for some, and they might have to admit they were wrong about some of the dogmatic beliefs they hold so dear, i.e. capitalism is evil.
@cristoballs, "refer to him as some sort of 'shill' ", is CEI shilling for corporate interests? If so that's a fact, accept it.
"take the time to actually discuss things with him in a calm, rational mamer?" look genius, you obviously were dropped on your head as a child, then your weak father beat you, and the government wasted money on your education, so stop destroying my country, [comments deleted, user blocked] . That last sentence compilation is HTWW's idea of a "calm, rational" dialog.
@ZangaroZen as for the compilation of sentences you gave, it's not fair to only give his responses. like i said before, there are a lot of trollers out there who don't care to have an honest discussion with him and are only looking to antagonize. now, i'm not gonna say this was the reason for every rude remark from lee, but it was the cause of a lot of them. and from what i've seen, lately, i do believe he's toned down the insults.
@cristoballs, "compilation of sentences you gave, it's not fair to only give his responses...lot of trollers out there...cause of a lot of them [rude remark from Lee]...lately...he's toned down the insults", haven't followed Lee's video's dialog for over a year, so wouldn't know. Have trolls posted to you? Did you ever pull a Lee Doren type reply back? Of course not, besides reasonable users greatly out number trolls, and yet they get the same treatment if they disagree with HTWW.
@cristoballs, "you're going to have to admit that he is a smart person", or you'll realize HTWW is a gullible moron that merely lifts his "ideas" from others (Sowell, Palin, etc). Have you seen any of his BlogTV shows? His adhoc abilities are very poor, which is likely why he deleted all 21 of his BlogTV episodes.
"addressed nearly every argument" so why is he a rabid censorer of you and 10s of 1000s of others, and never debunks your videos? Maybe you "don't deserve a response"?
@ZangaroZen i've heard him speak off the cuff. as far as i'm concerned he does a really good job of handling critics of capitalism. did you not catch his response to dasamericanatheist? and there's nothing wrong with repeating other's ideas. i tend to repeat a lot of what i read and hear if it is a sound argument.
as for deleting comments, in a lot of cases, it is just people either trolling, or hand-waving to get attention. heck, i'll admit, even i've been guilty of that.
@cristoballs, "i've heard him speak off the cuff...does a really good job of handling critics of capitalism", pet topics such as "capitalism" is NOT off the cuff, that should be obvious. Say "capitalism" and HTWW will declare "no system in the history of the world has pulled more people out of poverty" and "America is the only civilization in history where you can be poor and fat", etc. Nothing but a talking head and his script. Divert from the script and HTWW reverts to a babbling idiot.
@cristoballs, "there's nothing wrong with repeating other's ideas", as long as you merge it with your views and make it your own in your own words, otherwise you should give credit where credit is due to avoid accusations of plagarism. Taking a moron and teaching him to quote great ideas from other people without credit doesn't make the moron smart. Frankly I doubt HTWW has ever had an original idea.
AGAIN there are more reasonable people than trolls, both of us had our comments deleted.
@ZangaroZen ok, last message on my part, because it seems it's pointless no matter what i say. you're always going to come back with some reason why you think you're right about everything. so you know, i sent htww a question through a video he left a comment on. long story short, we agreed to put aside our differences and he unblocked me. simple as that. i still disagree with him from time to time, and i make it know. (cont.)
@cristoballs *and i make it known. just check the comments section of some of his more recent videos and you will see my objections to some of the stories he covers. the difference is though between what i say now, and what got me blocked originally, is put aside all the petty b.s. of stuff like calling him a "shill" and a "zionist" and actually address his issues politely. and guess what? he hasn't blocked me since. (cont.)
@cristoballs in fact, out the many comments he gets on his videos, i've noticed he's does take the time to almost always address my comments. this doesn't mean that he's going to agree with me 100%, and vice versa. however, he does acknowledge the fact that there is dissent from his viewpoints, and he has yet to insult me for voicing them, and that's all i can really ask for. now if you want to go on believing he's a nobody, then i have to ask, why you devote so much time to him?
@cristoballs, "petty b.s" and if HTWW is an obvious/proven corporate shill and zionist? You man enough to call him out? NOPE. The conditions HTWW laid out from the start are either:
a. agree with him
b. act like an idiot troll/crazy
c. limit your free speech
You choose c, deleting all your candid rebutal videos should follow.
"Why you devote so much time to him" compare to you? LOL I didn't make rebutal videos, nor do I constantly read his blogs, nor begged to be unblocked, etc YOU do.
@ZangaroZen you really are zealot, you know that? there is no reasoning with people like you. i admit i made rebuttals to his videos. that much is obvious, but as far as constantly reading his blog, that's news to me... and i certainly didn't beg to be unblocked. so you go ahead and keep believing what you want. honestly, it doesn't make a difference to me.
@cristoballs, "i certainly didn't beg to be unblocked", not about to look up your ever so polite posted questions to HTWW and unblocking negociations, the year later result speaks for itself.
You asked why follow HTWW videos? Answered this question a year ago, to hone debate skills now and then with select fans of his, and if I happen upon a HTWW post where he can't censor I may pwn him directly.
You deserve credit for not deleting my comments nor blocking me. We both know HTWW would have.
@ZangaroZen@ZangaroZen how does me saying that i would appreciate some help debating translate to me reading his blog at all, let alone to the extent you said i did? as for saying you're a zealot, take a look at your comment history on johnwilliams and others videos. you continually make comments about htww even when nobody is addressing you anymore. at least when i make videos about him, people respond to them. (cont.)
@cristoballs however, you continually attempt to ridicule htww even when it's obvious nobody is paying attention to you. if you ask me, that's a zealot. and if htww was really against people dissenting with him, why has he allowed johnwilliams to continue posting video responses to his videos? why hasn't he blocked him yet?
@cristoballs, "continually attempt to ridicule htww", itsn't hard to pwn HTWW. Caught him posting videos/comments during business hours, on CEI's coin, a few times, but THAT WAS 6 MONTHS AGO. Any other SPECIFIC examples? Does anyone need your approval before commenting on any video? No.
A zealot is a blind faith fanatic. I don't take anything HTWW says on faith and your critique videos didn't either. Many have dropped initial support for HTWW, but you seem to be the first to do the reverse.
@cristoballs, "help debating translate to me reading his blog", you've made sock accounts for the sole purpose of commenting directly on HTWW's videos. I'm not about to do the same during the last year, besides it takes a second for HTWW to censor and block, so I comment only where free speech is respected.
"JohnWi11iams and others videos...even when nobody is addressing you" such as? Free speech includes commenting where and whenever, without requiring a reply. So what's your point?
@ZangaroZen ok, you didn't address your claim about me visiting his blog. in stead you brought up a completely different issue. further, blocking people from your channel and deleting comments has nothing to do with free speech. unless he made some attempt to stop you from voicing your opinions, then this isn't a free speech issue. it's a censorship issue. if someone makes racist comments on my channel, i have every right to block that user. (cont.)
@cristoballs does that mean i'm against free speech because i blocked that person? no. it merely means that there's certain things i won't tolerate in the comments section of my videos. if someone wants to spout off racist rhetoric, they're completely free to do so elsewhere. the same can be said with htww's channel. if he doesn't want people trolling his videos, he's completely within his right to censor those comments and block those users.
@cristoballs, "blocking people from your channel and deleting comments has nothing to do with free speech, unless he made some attempt to stop you from voicing your opinions", and what if a KKK member voiced their OPINION?
Free speech means ALL speech is TOLERATED. You're free to censor your channel and create a defacto club, but don't claim as HTWW does that his channel is a free speech forum.
YouTube blogs are self-moderating with thumbs up/down and spam buttons, that should be enough.
@ZangaroZen do you have any idea what the 1st amendment says in regards to free speech? here's what it says:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press."
there, in plain english, it says congress shall make no law... it doesn't say anything about lee doren, blocking people from leaving comments on his videos. (cont.)
@cristoballs now, unless htww made some appeal to congress to pass a law to prevent people from making expressing any opinion of him which he didn't explicitly approve of, then you can't say he's against free speech. everything else is simply censorship.
@cristoballs, you just pwned yourself, "what the 1st amendment says in regards to free speech", sure DEFINE free speech, "shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech", thus Lee's channel isn't a free speech forum, dispite his claims, that's the issue. AGAIN if HTWW was honest he'd admit to creating a DEFACTO CLUB (ie 3 conditions, c being limit your free speech), rather than lying.
Glad your year long quest to get unblocked was successful, all the best with your dialoging with Lee.
@ZangaroZen apparently you missed the part where i typed congress. why else would you leave that out? do you think it's irrelevant? once again, CONGRESS shall make no law... there is no law preventing you from voicing your opinion. contrary to what you may think, just because you're blocked from voicing your opinion on htww's channel, it doesn't mean you don't have the right to voice your opinion elsewhere. that is what free speech is all about. (cont.)
@cristoballs it doesn't mean you can go around saying whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want. if that were so, it would mean that i stand up in the middle of a theater, while a movie is playing, and give 15 minute speech about the benefits of communism, but i can't. if i were arrested for such a thing, do you think that would be a violation of my freedom of speech?
@cristoballs, "i typed congress", now you're suggesting "free speech" is only applicable if "congress" is also mentioned. So tell that to HTWW and pray he'll grow a pair and stop claiming his channel is a public free speech (ie Congress like) forum.
YouTube is not a PRIVATE theatre, most assume a PUBLIC free speech forum, and those like HTWW are ridiculed and exposed as hypocrites for claiming one thing (free speech) and rabidly do another (delete/block).
@ZangaroZen you know what? believe what you want. i honestly don't care. i thought maybe there was a chance that you would see there's a reason why you and others were blocked. but all you apparently care about is trying to prove what you've already built up in your head as truth. contrary to what you may think about htww, he is not evil. did he block people that maybe didn't deserve to be blocked. perhaps. but were there other reasons that possibly played into it? (cont.)
@cristoballs of course there were. unless you're just willfully ignorant, you will remember that he was getting a lot of hate comments simply for standing up against tf00t. i was among those people who didn't care to listen to what he had to say at all. all i cared about, was pretty much the same thing you seem to care about now - that is, parsing his words so i could "pwn" him. so is it any wonder he started blocking people, or insulting them for that matter? no. the guy's human.
@cristoballs now i'm not saying i was wrong about every point i brought up, but what should i expect, or anyone for that matter, when your opening comments to him are nothing but insults? should he just accept it? if you can't even concede this point, then there's really no reason talking to you. in your head, no matter what i say, you're simply going to try and find some way of shirking your blame because you were being jackass and you don't want to admit it.
@cristoballs, "he was getting a lot of hate comments" and what unbaised source told you this? A lot compared to what he normally gets?
"he started blocking people, or insulting them" I've been following HTWW before he hit 300 subs, that's long before ThunderF00t, and he blocked me in a heart beat several times, and was very mouthy then too, nothing new.
"nothing but insults" speak for yourself, my HTWW pwnings are fact based not empty insults.
@cristoballs, "there's a reason why you and others were blocked", you're speaking for others now? Don't need you to speak for me: I'm not a swearing troll, nor do I post porno links, etc., AGAIN I noted what HTWW said didn't match the link he provided, and that was cause enough to have my post deleted and myself blocked, and the story is the same for 10s of 1000s of others.
Your rebutal vids were great because why were fact based, unlike these posts. Your last post is mostly empty opinions.
@ZangaroZen no, i'm not speaking FOR others. i'm speaking ABOUT others. there's a difference. i acknowledged that some people were probably blocked unfairly. however, in light of the fact that he was getting tons of insults, i don't blame him for doing what he felt was necessary to stop the insults. regardless if you cussed, i've heard you repeatedly refer to him as corporate shill and zionist. just because you don't want to admit you're doesn't mean you're not a troll.
@cristoballs, you say "i'm speaking ABOUT others" but previously said "there's a reason why you and others were blocked", that's claiming you know why others were blocked, speaking for them. Speaking for myself, I was censored/blocked because HTWW is a rabid censoring weakling, and others have noted the same reason.
"tons of insults" compared to what? The moment a JohnWi11iams video goes up he gets flooded with thumbs down and troll comments but unlike HTWW, JW respectes free speech. (con't)
@ZangaroZen this is exactly what i mean. you don't know when to give up. i didn't say everyone was blocked for the same reason. i said others, meaning other people, not everyone. i even stated that some people were likely blocked unfairly. but that's not enough for you. you're too caught up on trying to "pwn" htww, that you don't care to listen to reason. you were blocked. get over it. it's not the end of the world.
@cristoballs, "i didn't say everyone was blocked for the same reason", no you rationalized that some tiny minority might have been blocked unfairly or by accident or something, but from what I've seen in comments and videos, most were blocked for the same reasons as I was for noting factual discrepancies.
"don't care to listen to reason" use facts then
"you were blocked. get over it. It's not the end of the world" never cried over it, nor did I beg HTWW for a year to be unblocked, YOU DID.
@ZangaroZen now who's speaking for others. i never begged for anything. i addressed htww in a respectful manner and he unblocked me. simple as that. you should try it sometime.
@cristoballs, "now who's speaking for others", AGAIN "from what I've seen in comments and videos" is relating not rationalizing excuses as you've done. Search howtheworldworks censor, and review the many dozens of videos for yourself.
"I never begged", well it took a year didn't it.
"I addressed htww in a respectful manner", AGAIN I said "HTWW you said "..." and your link says "..." the exact opposite, you just mislead all your viewers" respectful facts greated with censorship.
@ZangaroZen i've said my piece. i think you're being a baby. i'm not going to continue with this because you don't care to listen and are looking for fault in what i say rather than concede that i might have a point. i have better things to do with my time than argue with you about something so petty. i've given you more time than you deserve. so go ahead and keep commenting. i really don't care. later.
@cristoballs, your post less the fluff "you're being a baby...you don't care to listen...looking for fault...rather than concede...so petty...more time than you deserve", your typical empty opinionated nonsense
AGAIN you've obviously have come full circle to admire HTWW enough to continually stand up for him and make all manner of explanations, excuses and rationalizations. If you haven't been BSing, then you'd have no issue making a video spouting off all your new found praise for HTWW.
@ZangaroZen apparently you missed the point of my last comment. i'll make it simple. i'm done with this whole discussion. i'm not going to make a video explaining myself. i've already made videos explaining why i'm pro-capitalism and why i respect htww's opinion on economics. i don't agree with him on everything, but i don't hate him either. so there. i'm done.
@cristoballs, "missed the point...i'm done" then DON'T reply
"not going to make a video [praising HTWW]" of course not you'd be a laughing stock
"i've already made videos...i respect htww's opinion on economics" so where's the video links? Meanwhile watch 5NJa9Cz9XSY and X7ktllNiK2o etc etc. Your own FACTUAL videos don't back your quote, and are in stark contrast to your many empty insults and opinions in this blog.
Why you begged HTWW to shatter your cristoballs is beyond me. Good luck
@cristoballs, "i've heard you repeatedly refer to him as a corporate shill and zionist", I don't use the term zionist, as for corporate shill what of it? Is that a false statement? If not then stop your bitching.
You've called me a zealot many times in this dialog and now a troll, etc, others have called me a liberal and worse. So what? And I've retaliated by calling you what exactly? Fact is the "corporate shill" reality bothers you more than HTWW, as you cry about it far more. (con't)
@ZangaroZen on what grounds do you think he's a shill? because he works for cei? OMG!!! alert the media!!! way to crack the case wide open. i mean openly admits to working there. but i guess because they take donations from corps. like exxon, that automatically makes anyone who works at cei a shill. right? certainly, he didn't believe in capitalism before he got his job at cei. certainly, he didn't believe in the principles of limited gov't and property rights before he became a shill.
@cristoballs, AGAIN cut the BS, if you don't think HTWW has aspired to shill for rich corporate interests and eventually landed a job doing just that, then say so and why.
@cristoballs, cut the BS, if you don't think HTWW has aspired to shill for rich corporate interests and eventually landed a job doing just that, then say so and why.
@ZangaroZen you're the one making the assertion he's a shill. why is my responsibility to prove that he isn't. see, just like a religious zealot. you make a baseless assertion, and then expect the people who don't see it your way to provide the proof that you're wrong.
@cristoballs, "make a baseless assertion" before HTWW Lee spouted corporate rights on his advocate1234 channel, lower corporate taxes, unlimited political corporate spending, etc. All in line with big corporate interests funding CEI, who's backed tobacco, fossil fuel industry, plastic BPRs, etc. Then again you're the guy claiming others don't listen to reason, and yet can't back up his own opinions.
"to provide the proof" if you're going to bitch against something, then yes you'll need facts
@cristoballs, unlike your nonsense empty opinion posts here disguised as fact and punctuated with empty insults and speaking for others, your video rebutals were factual and deserving of respect. But you've seen the error of your ways, and obviously have come full circle to admire HTWW enough to continually stand up for him and make all manner of explanations, excuses and rationalizations.
If it's not all BS, then you'd have no issue making a video spouting off all your new found HTWW praise.
@cristoballs, "didn't address your claim about me visiting his blog" WRONG we're talking youtube blogs like THIS one, not HTWW's homepage or whatever else, and yes you've been desperately trying for a year to get unblocked, and dispite your empty claims of being a posting zealot, I ignored your unblocked pursuits, never commented. You got what you wanted, you're happy, more power to you, in fact you should make an apology video tell everyone you were wrong about the great and honest HTWW, etc
@cristoballs, "at least when i make videos about him, people respond", you want a prize? I've never made a video about HTWW, and yes videos get a zillion times more traffic than comments, as this is youTube not youComment. Still I've had some interesting debates with a sequence (one after the other) of HTWW zealots. Your point?
"why has he allowed johnWi11iams to continue posting" JW does low effect direct upload commentary, it's in HTWW's best interest to have him as an rallying example.
@cristoballs, LOL ahhh, you made up with your little friend.
"Guess what" it's in HTWW's best interest to allow 10% of dissent through (usually trolls and crazies), especially anyone that would make videos if blocked. He can claim he doesn't block dissent (and Limbaugh's callers aren't screened) point to you among others and not have to worry about rebutal videos
Usually I was censored for calling HTWW on lying: "you said 'A' but your link says 'Not A', you've mislead everyone" (cont.)
@cristoballs, "last message on my part" actually you made 3 posts just now, 8 in total, while I've posted 13 in total, but my posts address EVERY point you've raised while you've ignored most of mine (questions on contempt, why HTWW never debunked your vids, 3 original questions, etc, etc) and for that SPECIFIC reason I have no interest in continuing this dialog.
Not about to waste a second following HTWW's video blogs, haven't done so in over a year, so be content humoring HTWW (cont.)
@cristoballs, "don't you think you're being just a little over-zealous in this whole sock account thing" no, unless you mean barely mentioning the sock thing since around when you made this video, LAST YEAR. You seem to be the only one still harping on it.
"do you honestly think 20,000+ subs he has are all sock accounts", YOU are the only one claiming that now (not then), at the time 1 in 6, or 17% looked like socks.
"well-known people who have invited him on their news programs", so what?
@cristoballs, "overall contempt", contempt is illegal now? If somebody lies/corrupts/embelishes facts to suit their purposes, quotes opinions as fact, etc. Is that contemptable? What if they're very vocal against Israel claiming all manner of evil, but deliberately fail to mention they're Iranian muslim, is that hidden bias/prejudice contemptable? If so the reverse is also.
Is "capitalism evil"? I never said that, however it's not perfect.
@cristoballs, stumbled on this video by accident since you caved/changed the title, and your comments top the BLOG
Questions:
1. Why be bothered with what others are doing, consuming, caring, agreeing, thinking? You everyone's mother?
2. Consider yourself responsible? For what? Noting out 1 in 6 very odd sock-like subscribers? Just a fact. HTWW could've said "Not mine, now will any socks please unsubscribe", the end. Instead he guiltily made demands, threatened "action" and hid his subs
i think I may want to make a video about this. Now that I look back, I agree that the whole sock account thing really was a failed whistleblow attempt. Of course I don't hate Lee; I just find his political views questionable.
btw, I don't see how you could lose subscribers over this name change...
i think thunderf00t made a video about reporting this matter to them a while back. my guess is either there wasn't enough evidence to do anything or they just don't care.
apparently it's a very big deal. before i made this video, i only had a handful of subscribers. and it was enough to rattle htww's cage so much that he felt the need to threaten me with a lawsuit if i didn't remove this video.
Also, because he is a partner, I believe he receives money for every new subscriber and view he gets he gets. That just might constitute fraud if he has that many socks.
@tekniklypyro lol no prize for having subscribers? youtube partnership with ad revenue to start, and higher search result listing (btw youtube is owned by google). subscribers = validation in the community and value (aka how much revenue can we extract [ from google, umm... oh i mean youtube's perspective]from the user).
nothing. he threw out a few veiled threats, saying that i had so many days to remove the video, and that he would report me to youtube, but i don't scare so easily. i knew he was bluffing, and even if he wasn't, i was ready to deal with the situation.
no, actually the two other accounts which htww admitted to controlling, and used to favorite his own videos was enough. no conspiracy. he free admitted those two channels were his channels and then he tried to hide the fact that he was favoriting his videos from those accounts by hiding his favorites in those accounts. the accounts that i showed in this video were just the icing on the cake.
Yes, its because when you subscribe to HTWW it asks if you want to describe to the other 4. I don't see how that's a problem, because when I subscribed to HTWW, I also subscribe to some of the others.
did you watch any of his videos before you subscribed? or did you just go on his channel and subscribe? those accounts had no views, and i don't think 20 people would subscribe to 5 people not knowing any of their vids
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Actually no, I didn't watch any of HTWW videos before I subscribed. I subscribed to Steven Crowder's channel and it asked me if I wanted to subscribe to 4 others. I liked Crowder's channel so I decided to subscribe to the others to check them out. Some, like HTWW, I liked and kept, and others I removed.
My channel hadn't actually watched a Crowder video but I did. Not until I signed in did I subscribe. So technically, I had no views of Crowder before I subscribed. I can't speak for the other accounts but I'm legitimate.
Also it could be possible that people subscribing to another channel in the group has yet to watch a HTWW video, or maybe didn't even know they subscribed to HTWW. Like I said before, I don't know, but just my thought.
Its possible that some of those are legit but it does not seem even remotely plausible to suggest that all of them are, given their inactivity and that they all joined within about 3 weeks time
i'm convinced he's a cheater, if you look at his videos his ratings are pretty low and half the comments slag him off. He could not have that many suscribers.
There is no way videos as divisive as his could get such good ratings. I shutter to think that 11,000 dumb people signed up to his account within the last year and tell him what bright insight he offers when it is nothing more than the echo of Rush, Fox, Coulter and other nuts.
How did you find these ppl if he keeps his subscriber list private? thats a hell of alot of sock accounts he had to create to get even near 10,200 subs.
i get that question a lot. i looked through the subscriber list on the policytranslated channel. i figured since it's run by the cei and htww works for the cei, they might have some similar subscribers. there are other ways to find subscribers, even with hidden subscriber lists. that's just one of them.
Yeah, these vids are really tipping off HTWW. His new socks look much more convincing now. My bro fakeham has been putting up with the fuckers on his vids, along with some other people. I'm just sayin, these methods are gonna be less useful soon, which sucks. I hate the dishonesty in all his shit. Still, thanks for making this vid.
wait a minute. r u saying its ok to have socket accounts if you wouldn't have a shot at winning otherwise? thats like people w/out legs shooting Olympic runners in the feet to get a fair shot, or a president elect getting rid of ballots for the other candidate. weak argument dude.
i'm glad to be a loser low sub channel rather than one with 10,000 subs who aren't actually watching. what's the point of having that many subscribers if there's no actual activity?
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esandero,
proven sock account- 0
many of the people who were accused sock accounts are making videos showing that they arent sock accounts. Now we have atheist youtube police making sure people are active enough on youtube to make sure they cant be calssified as sock accounts. All cristoballs and TF are accomplishing is showing how dumb they are.
Dam Dude You are right HTWW tore up that Bitch (Annie Leonard) from The Story of STUFF. Line for Line he put that uninformed Socialist in her place. This Bitch is brainwashing our children. Thanks for exposing this crap that is shown to our kids in schoolPEACE
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Wow.
I NEVER post text comments out of respect for Youtubers who create their own material but yes, I want the 72 seconds of my life wasted by both watching this terrible video and commenting back.
How is it though that these people can be intellectual!! would you be! if you believed in say the Easter bunny!,or the tooth fairy!! because their belief in the skydaddy is no different! so they are obviously intellectualy redundant!!...I rest my case mi/lud.
Yep your right dude,the righteous facade these people put on fools no one!! they pledge their undying love of god then they cheat and lie, then repent and all is forgiven!! i think not! if god did exist these people would be on the escalator down into the depths of Hell and good ridance!!lol.
WOW..Man, so thats how he did it!! that was so naughty HTWWs..i think your street cred has nose dived,that is if you had any in the first place,which i doubt!!.
It seems that god lovin Christians and right wingers are realy the not so christian ones on youtube, they votebot!,.. lie like hell, and are generaly undesirables!! Jesus would jump down from the cross and say up your's you hypocritical b/stards i want nothing to do with you!!...nuff said.
agreed... its amazing how such people claim this "high moral authority" but stoop to tactics their own god would strike them down for (if only it existed to do so)
mind you, none of this surprises me one iota... the thing that surprises me the most is that they consistently go up against people in debates that they dont stand a chance against... i think they have a highly over-rated opinion of their own intellectual capacities.
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I think you're the one with the highly over-rated opinion of their own intellectual capacity here. HTWW completely owns people in his videos. Here you are saying he goes up against people his doesn't stand a chance against, when he clearly hasn't lost a debate yet. You are the personification of epic fail.
Doreen Summers Eve.
classicallady 6 months ago
LOL! He spent the time to type "Thanks for Subscribing" on every single sock-puppet accounts that he has created!
Pellegrino80 6 months ago
This video is famous. Funny stuff.
We all know Doren is a think tank shill, just like everyone else in the media. Why should this surprise or upset anyone?
SBRslacker00 8 months ago 2
UGH!! GET THAT NIGGER MUSIC OFF THERE!!!!!!!!!!!
astrolifter 10 months ago
Lol, failed attempt at discrediting him, but nice effort.
First there's no proof that he created the accounts (or that they're even socks). Assuming that they were socks, they could've been created by anybody.
Second, the guy has almost 30,000 subscribers, so why would he waste time creating about 30 socks?
Why can't any of you guys actually refute his arguments? Even if he was a shameless self-promoter, his arguments would still stand anyway, so you haven't done anything to discredit him.
elvishairdude12 1 year ago
@elvishairdude12 did you even bother to read the big red annotations i added to the video or the video info?
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs I just happened to have stumbled upon this feud or whatever you call it. If you don't want people commenting on it, why don't you delete it?
The evidence in the video is that they are not sock accounts. Look at the wide range of subscription dates and # of videos watched, which Lee could not easily fake. It's not impossible, but it would be insanely complicated to do so, and would have required multi-year planning. Maybe he has a few socks, I have no idea.
silikon2 10 months ago
@silikon2 "If you don't want people commenting on it, why don't you delete it?"
this video got a lot of traction, in large part because it was featured on tf00t's channel. there are a few mirrors of this video on youtube. so i figured it's best to leave the original up, being that i was the person that started the whole thing with the sock account accusations. so if anyone wants to continue making the claim, they can be directed to this video. make sense?
cristoballs 10 months ago
@cristoballs Well, it just seemed obnoxious in your captions to imply that anyone that might have an issue with it was hung up on something. With respect, I would definitely leave the video up for the reasons you stated, but drop those captions and let people decide for themselves on the merits. I don't know if a lot of people are hung up on it, but it is very off-putting to newer viewers of this material to make that claim.
silikon2 10 months ago
@cristoballs the video is screwed up on my computer i think or just screwed up. it is just music no words...
cake1834 9 months ago
@elvishairdude12
Which argument? That government spending doesn't stimulate the economy? haha - yes it does.
How about taxes - guess what the top marginal rate in the year that America's unemployment rate was the lowest? 92% in 1953 with an unemployment rate of 2.5% - I'm not saying there is a clear causal link here, but it certainly turns Doren's arguments upside down.
Lee has no real arguments. Just ideological conjecture and assumptions.
Wheelsification 1 year ago
This is BS. If HTWW actually had sock accounts, he would have to make hundreds to actually make a difference in his subscriber population. There is no proof of sock accounts.
ManOfDeath567 1 year ago
@ManOfDeath567 i believe that was the point of annotations i added.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs good for you, your own video made you look like a moron and to defend yourself from criticism you tell people they have no life. You're an idiot. You're an Idiot. You're an idiot.
MyDormantSoul 7 months ago
@Cristoballs, "pure speculation" no, you presented facts and offered the best logic explanation. A competent lawyer type, which Lee obviously is not, would have said, "Not my accounts. I can't control who subscribes, but would appreciate any socks to please unsubscribe as I don't need your support". End of story. Instead Lee threatened "further action", hid his sub list and called on his 12500 subs to make support videos (only 1 complied)
"dwelling...on someone they hate" or love, your point?
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, as you know I stumbled on your title change a few days ago, and just now reading the description.
"people are still talking about this video" so? ANY video gets residual if not a steady state of traffic for as long as it's posted. Don't like it? Then take the video down.
"no evidence that that any of the accounts used in this video are owned by lee", fact is 1 in 6 accounts looked like socks, Lee's sub growth flatlined for 2 weeks (deleting subs?), then he hide his sub list.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
why have you changed the name? I couldnt find it and almost died. I used to watch this every day with my cat. Great days.
finchy633 1 year ago
@finchy633 i noticed some people were becoming a bit too consumed with the whole sock account thing, so much so, that they didn't even care what he was saying half the time. it really began to bother me because i was responsible for that. now, i don't agree with everything he says, but i do agree with him a lot more than i previously gave him credit for, particularly when it comes to things like capitalism. so i really don't care to dwell on something that might be true...(cont.)
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs especially when the evidence supporting the whole sock account claim is flimsy, at best. i think it's a lot easier to come to common ground when people talk, rather than continuously trying to top the other person with "pwnage" videos.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, what are you hoping for? That HTWW will unblock you and you'll become bestest capitalist friends? Now and again I see your polite posts on other videos asking HTWW a question, begging him to unblock you, etc. Have some self-respect. The guy blocked you, because that's what a censorer does. I'm blocked too, but unlike you I've no interest in being unblocked or wasting a second contributing to HTWW's channel (such effort could be censored in a heart beat) or favoriting his opinions.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen don't you think you're being just a little over-zealous in this whole sock account thing as well as your overall contempt for lee doren? for the sake of argument, let's say they really are sock accounts. SO WHAT?!? do you honestly think 20,000+ subs he has are all sock accounts? furthermore, do you think the well-known people who have invited him on their news programs give a rat's ass about sock accounts or youtube for that matter? (cont.)
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs eventually, you're going to have to admit that he is a smart person. regardless of what you think about his political views, you can't deny that he has addressed nearly every argument he's presented with in opposition to his views. i say "nearly" because there are some i've read, some which come from you as well, that don't deserve a response, either because they nothing more than bigoted statements attempting to portray him as some sort of zionist.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs or they attack his job and refer to him as some sort of "shill". how about in stead of using these ad hominem attacks to try and discredit him, these actually take the time to actually discuss things with him in a calm, rational manner? i suppose that would be too difficult for some, and they might have to admit they were wrong about some of the dogmatic beliefs they hold so dear, i.e. capitalism is evil.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "refer to him as some sort of 'shill' ", is CEI shilling for corporate interests? If so that's a fact, accept it.
"take the time to actually discuss things with him in a calm, rational mamer?" look genius, you obviously were dropped on your head as a child, then your weak father beat you, and the government wasted money on your education, so stop destroying my country, [comments deleted, user blocked] . That last sentence compilation is HTWW's idea of a "calm, rational" dialog.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen as for the compilation of sentences you gave, it's not fair to only give his responses. like i said before, there are a lot of trollers out there who don't care to have an honest discussion with him and are only looking to antagonize. now, i'm not gonna say this was the reason for every rude remark from lee, but it was the cause of a lot of them. and from what i've seen, lately, i do believe he's toned down the insults.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "compilation of sentences you gave, it's not fair to only give his responses...lot of trollers out there...cause of a lot of them [rude remark from Lee]...lately...he's toned down the insults", haven't followed Lee's video's dialog for over a year, so wouldn't know. Have trolls posted to you? Did you ever pull a Lee Doren type reply back? Of course not, besides reasonable users greatly out number trolls, and yet they get the same treatment if they disagree with HTWW.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "you're going to have to admit that he is a smart person", or you'll realize HTWW is a gullible moron that merely lifts his "ideas" from others (Sowell, Palin, etc). Have you seen any of his BlogTV shows? His adhoc abilities are very poor, which is likely why he deleted all 21 of his BlogTV episodes.
"addressed nearly every argument" so why is he a rabid censorer of you and 10s of 1000s of others, and never debunks your videos? Maybe you "don't deserve a response"?
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen i've heard him speak off the cuff. as far as i'm concerned he does a really good job of handling critics of capitalism. did you not catch his response to dasamericanatheist? and there's nothing wrong with repeating other's ideas. i tend to repeat a lot of what i read and hear if it is a sound argument.
as for deleting comments, in a lot of cases, it is just people either trolling, or hand-waving to get attention. heck, i'll admit, even i've been guilty of that.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "i've heard him speak off the cuff...does a really good job of handling critics of capitalism", pet topics such as "capitalism" is NOT off the cuff, that should be obvious. Say "capitalism" and HTWW will declare "no system in the history of the world has pulled more people out of poverty" and "America is the only civilization in history where you can be poor and fat", etc. Nothing but a talking head and his script. Divert from the script and HTWW reverts to a babbling idiot.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "there's nothing wrong with repeating other's ideas", as long as you merge it with your views and make it your own in your own words, otherwise you should give credit where credit is due to avoid accusations of plagarism. Taking a moron and teaching him to quote great ideas from other people without credit doesn't make the moron smart. Frankly I doubt HTWW has ever had an original idea.
AGAIN there are more reasonable people than trolls, both of us had our comments deleted.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen ok, last message on my part, because it seems it's pointless no matter what i say. you're always going to come back with some reason why you think you're right about everything. so you know, i sent htww a question through a video he left a comment on. long story short, we agreed to put aside our differences and he unblocked me. simple as that. i still disagree with him from time to time, and i make it know. (cont.)
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs *and i make it known. just check the comments section of some of his more recent videos and you will see my objections to some of the stories he covers. the difference is though between what i say now, and what got me blocked originally, is put aside all the petty b.s. of stuff like calling him a "shill" and a "zionist" and actually address his issues politely. and guess what? he hasn't blocked me since. (cont.)
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs in fact, out the many comments he gets on his videos, i've noticed he's does take the time to almost always address my comments. this doesn't mean that he's going to agree with me 100%, and vice versa. however, he does acknowledge the fact that there is dissent from his viewpoints, and he has yet to insult me for voicing them, and that's all i can really ask for. now if you want to go on believing he's a nobody, then i have to ask, why you devote so much time to him?
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "petty b.s" and if HTWW is an obvious/proven corporate shill and zionist? You man enough to call him out? NOPE. The conditions HTWW laid out from the start are either:
a. agree with him
b. act like an idiot troll/crazy
c. limit your free speech
You choose c, deleting all your candid rebutal videos should follow.
"Why you devote so much time to him" compare to you? LOL I didn't make rebutal videos, nor do I constantly read his blogs, nor begged to be unblocked, etc YOU do.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen you really are zealot, you know that? there is no reasoning with people like you. i admit i made rebuttals to his videos. that much is obvious, but as far as constantly reading his blog, that's news to me... and i certainly didn't beg to be unblocked. so you go ahead and keep believing what you want. honestly, it doesn't make a difference to me.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "you really are zealot" declaring your opinion as fact, just like HTWW
"no reasoning with people like you" I've addressed EVERY point in ALL your posts but YOU HAVEN't reciprocated and that's unreasonable.
"reading his blog" you've emailed me before "would appreciate some help debating" this or that HTWW video. I've always declined.
HTWW is like a skank spreading gonorrea, why crawl back into that bed? You can critique with censorship impunity else where.
(con't)
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "i certainly didn't beg to be unblocked", not about to look up your ever so polite posted questions to HTWW and unblocking negociations, the year later result speaks for itself.
You asked why follow HTWW videos? Answered this question a year ago, to hone debate skills now and then with select fans of his, and if I happen upon a HTWW post where he can't censor I may pwn him directly.
You deserve credit for not deleting my comments nor blocking me. We both know HTWW would have.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen @ZangaroZen how does me saying that i would appreciate some help debating translate to me reading his blog at all, let alone to the extent you said i did? as for saying you're a zealot, take a look at your comment history on johnwilliams and others videos. you continually make comments about htww even when nobody is addressing you anymore. at least when i make videos about him, people respond to them. (cont.)
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs however, you continually attempt to ridicule htww even when it's obvious nobody is paying attention to you. if you ask me, that's a zealot. and if htww was really against people dissenting with him, why has he allowed johnwilliams to continue posting video responses to his videos? why hasn't he blocked him yet?
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "continually attempt to ridicule htww", itsn't hard to pwn HTWW. Caught him posting videos/comments during business hours, on CEI's coin, a few times, but THAT WAS 6 MONTHS AGO. Any other SPECIFIC examples? Does anyone need your approval before commenting on any video? No.
A zealot is a blind faith fanatic. I don't take anything HTWW says on faith and your critique videos didn't either. Many have dropped initial support for HTWW, but you seem to be the first to do the reverse.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "help debating translate to me reading his blog", you've made sock accounts for the sole purpose of commenting directly on HTWW's videos. I'm not about to do the same during the last year, besides it takes a second for HTWW to censor and block, so I comment only where free speech is respected.
"JohnWi11iams and others videos...even when nobody is addressing you" such as? Free speech includes commenting where and whenever, without requiring a reply. So what's your point?
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen ok, you didn't address your claim about me visiting his blog. in stead you brought up a completely different issue. further, blocking people from your channel and deleting comments has nothing to do with free speech. unless he made some attempt to stop you from voicing your opinions, then this isn't a free speech issue. it's a censorship issue. if someone makes racist comments on my channel, i have every right to block that user. (cont.)
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs does that mean i'm against free speech because i blocked that person? no. it merely means that there's certain things i won't tolerate in the comments section of my videos. if someone wants to spout off racist rhetoric, they're completely free to do so elsewhere. the same can be said with htww's channel. if he doesn't want people trolling his videos, he's completely within his right to censor those comments and block those users.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "blocking people from your channel and deleting comments has nothing to do with free speech, unless he made some attempt to stop you from voicing your opinions", and what if a KKK member voiced their OPINION?
Free speech means ALL speech is TOLERATED. You're free to censor your channel and create a defacto club, but don't claim as HTWW does that his channel is a free speech forum.
YouTube blogs are self-moderating with thumbs up/down and spam buttons, that should be enough.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen do you have any idea what the 1st amendment says in regards to free speech? here's what it says:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press."
there, in plain english, it says congress shall make no law... it doesn't say anything about lee doren, blocking people from leaving comments on his videos. (cont.)
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs now, unless htww made some appeal to congress to pass a law to prevent people from making expressing any opinion of him which he didn't explicitly approve of, then you can't say he's against free speech. everything else is simply censorship.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, you just pwned yourself, "what the 1st amendment says in regards to free speech", sure DEFINE free speech, "shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech", thus Lee's channel isn't a free speech forum, dispite his claims, that's the issue. AGAIN if HTWW was honest he'd admit to creating a DEFACTO CLUB (ie 3 conditions, c being limit your free speech), rather than lying.
Glad your year long quest to get unblocked was successful, all the best with your dialoging with Lee.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen apparently you missed the part where i typed congress. why else would you leave that out? do you think it's irrelevant? once again, CONGRESS shall make no law... there is no law preventing you from voicing your opinion. contrary to what you may think, just because you're blocked from voicing your opinion on htww's channel, it doesn't mean you don't have the right to voice your opinion elsewhere. that is what free speech is all about. (cont.)
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs it doesn't mean you can go around saying whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want. if that were so, it would mean that i stand up in the middle of a theater, while a movie is playing, and give 15 minute speech about the benefits of communism, but i can't. if i were arrested for such a thing, do you think that would be a violation of my freedom of speech?
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "i typed congress", now you're suggesting "free speech" is only applicable if "congress" is also mentioned. So tell that to HTWW and pray he'll grow a pair and stop claiming his channel is a public free speech (ie Congress like) forum.
YouTube is not a PRIVATE theatre, most assume a PUBLIC free speech forum, and those like HTWW are ridiculed and exposed as hypocrites for claiming one thing (free speech) and rabidly do another (delete/block).
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen you know what? believe what you want. i honestly don't care. i thought maybe there was a chance that you would see there's a reason why you and others were blocked. but all you apparently care about is trying to prove what you've already built up in your head as truth. contrary to what you may think about htww, he is not evil. did he block people that maybe didn't deserve to be blocked. perhaps. but were there other reasons that possibly played into it? (cont.)
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs of course there were. unless you're just willfully ignorant, you will remember that he was getting a lot of hate comments simply for standing up against tf00t. i was among those people who didn't care to listen to what he had to say at all. all i cared about, was pretty much the same thing you seem to care about now - that is, parsing his words so i could "pwn" him. so is it any wonder he started blocking people, or insulting them for that matter? no. the guy's human.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs now i'm not saying i was wrong about every point i brought up, but what should i expect, or anyone for that matter, when your opening comments to him are nothing but insults? should he just accept it? if you can't even concede this point, then there's really no reason talking to you. in your head, no matter what i say, you're simply going to try and find some way of shirking your blame because you were being jackass and you don't want to admit it.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "he was getting a lot of hate comments" and what unbaised source told you this? A lot compared to what he normally gets?
"he started blocking people, or insulting them" I've been following HTWW before he hit 300 subs, that's long before ThunderF00t, and he blocked me in a heart beat several times, and was very mouthy then too, nothing new.
"nothing but insults" speak for yourself, my HTWW pwnings are fact based not empty insults.
Name a non porno/ad post worthy of deletion
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "there's a reason why you and others were blocked", you're speaking for others now? Don't need you to speak for me: I'm not a swearing troll, nor do I post porno links, etc., AGAIN I noted what HTWW said didn't match the link he provided, and that was cause enough to have my post deleted and myself blocked, and the story is the same for 10s of 1000s of others.
Your rebutal vids were great because why were fact based, unlike these posts. Your last post is mostly empty opinions.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen no, i'm not speaking FOR others. i'm speaking ABOUT others. there's a difference. i acknowledged that some people were probably blocked unfairly. however, in light of the fact that he was getting tons of insults, i don't blame him for doing what he felt was necessary to stop the insults. regardless if you cussed, i've heard you repeatedly refer to him as corporate shill and zionist. just because you don't want to admit you're doesn't mean you're not a troll.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, you say "i'm speaking ABOUT others" but previously said "there's a reason why you and others were blocked", that's claiming you know why others were blocked, speaking for them. Speaking for myself, I was censored/blocked because HTWW is a rabid censoring weakling, and others have noted the same reason.
"tons of insults" compared to what? The moment a JohnWi11iams video goes up he gets flooded with thumbs down and troll comments but unlike HTWW, JW respectes free speech. (con't)
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen this is exactly what i mean. you don't know when to give up. i didn't say everyone was blocked for the same reason. i said others, meaning other people, not everyone. i even stated that some people were likely blocked unfairly. but that's not enough for you. you're too caught up on trying to "pwn" htww, that you don't care to listen to reason. you were blocked. get over it. it's not the end of the world.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "i didn't say everyone was blocked for the same reason", no you rationalized that some tiny minority might have been blocked unfairly or by accident or something, but from what I've seen in comments and videos, most were blocked for the same reasons as I was for noting factual discrepancies.
"don't care to listen to reason" use facts then
"you were blocked. get over it. It's not the end of the world" never cried over it, nor did I beg HTWW for a year to be unblocked, YOU DID.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen now who's speaking for others. i never begged for anything. i addressed htww in a respectful manner and he unblocked me. simple as that. you should try it sometime.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "now who's speaking for others", AGAIN "from what I've seen in comments and videos" is relating not rationalizing excuses as you've done. Search howtheworldworks censor, and review the many dozens of videos for yourself.
"I never begged", well it took a year didn't it.
"I addressed htww in a respectful manner", AGAIN I said "HTWW you said "..." and your link says "..." the exact opposite, you just mislead all your viewers" respectful facts greated with censorship.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen i've said my piece. i think you're being a baby. i'm not going to continue with this because you don't care to listen and are looking for fault in what i say rather than concede that i might have a point. i have better things to do with my time than argue with you about something so petty. i've given you more time than you deserve. so go ahead and keep commenting. i really don't care. later.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, your post less the fluff "you're being a baby...you don't care to listen...looking for fault...rather than concede...so petty...more time than you deserve", your typical empty opinionated nonsense
AGAIN you've obviously have come full circle to admire HTWW enough to continually stand up for him and make all manner of explanations, excuses and rationalizations. If you haven't been BSing, then you'd have no issue making a video spouting off all your new found praise for HTWW.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen apparently you missed the point of my last comment. i'll make it simple. i'm done with this whole discussion. i'm not going to make a video explaining myself. i've already made videos explaining why i'm pro-capitalism and why i respect htww's opinion on economics. i don't agree with him on everything, but i don't hate him either. so there. i'm done.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "missed the point...i'm done" then DON'T reply
"not going to make a video [praising HTWW]" of course not you'd be a laughing stock
"i've already made videos...i respect htww's opinion on economics" so where's the video links? Meanwhile watch 5NJa9Cz9XSY and X7ktllNiK2o etc etc. Your own FACTUAL videos don't back your quote, and are in stark contrast to your many empty insults and opinions in this blog.
Why you begged HTWW to shatter your cristoballs is beyond me. Good luck
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "i've heard you repeatedly refer to him as a corporate shill and zionist", I don't use the term zionist, as for corporate shill what of it? Is that a false statement? If not then stop your bitching.
You've called me a zealot many times in this dialog and now a troll, etc, others have called me a liberal and worse. So what? And I've retaliated by calling you what exactly? Fact is the "corporate shill" reality bothers you more than HTWW, as you cry about it far more. (con't)
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen on what grounds do you think he's a shill? because he works for cei? OMG!!! alert the media!!! way to crack the case wide open. i mean openly admits to working there. but i guess because they take donations from corps. like exxon, that automatically makes anyone who works at cei a shill. right? certainly, he didn't believe in capitalism before he got his job at cei. certainly, he didn't believe in the principles of limited gov't and property rights before he became a shill.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs no, before he got his job at cei, he was just like all of us who hate capitalism. he only took that job for the money. right?
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, AGAIN cut the BS, if you don't think HTWW has aspired to shill for rich corporate interests and eventually landed a job doing just that, then say so and why.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, cut the BS, if you don't think HTWW has aspired to shill for rich corporate interests and eventually landed a job doing just that, then say so and why.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@ZangaroZen you're the one making the assertion he's a shill. why is my responsibility to prove that he isn't. see, just like a religious zealot. you make a baseless assertion, and then expect the people who don't see it your way to provide the proof that you're wrong.
cristoballs 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "make a baseless assertion" before HTWW Lee spouted corporate rights on his advocate1234 channel, lower corporate taxes, unlimited political corporate spending, etc. All in line with big corporate interests funding CEI, who's backed tobacco, fossil fuel industry, plastic BPRs, etc. Then again you're the guy claiming others don't listen to reason, and yet can't back up his own opinions.
"to provide the proof" if you're going to bitch against something, then yes you'll need facts
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, unlike your nonsense empty opinion posts here disguised as fact and punctuated with empty insults and speaking for others, your video rebutals were factual and deserving of respect. But you've seen the error of your ways, and obviously have come full circle to admire HTWW enough to continually stand up for him and make all manner of explanations, excuses and rationalizations.
If it's not all BS, then you'd have no issue making a video spouting off all your new found HTWW praise.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "didn't address your claim about me visiting his blog" WRONG we're talking youtube blogs like THIS one, not HTWW's homepage or whatever else, and yes you've been desperately trying for a year to get unblocked, and dispite your empty claims of being a posting zealot, I ignored your unblocked pursuits, never commented. You got what you wanted, you're happy, more power to you, in fact you should make an apology video tell everyone you were wrong about the great and honest HTWW, etc
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "at least when i make videos about him, people respond", you want a prize? I've never made a video about HTWW, and yes videos get a zillion times more traffic than comments, as this is youTube not youComment. Still I've had some interesting debates with a sequence (one after the other) of HTWW zealots. Your point?
"why has he allowed johnWi11iams to continue posting" JW does low effect direct upload commentary, it's in HTWW's best interest to have him as an rallying example.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, LOL ahhh, you made up with your little friend.
"Guess what" it's in HTWW's best interest to allow 10% of dissent through (usually trolls and crazies), especially anyone that would make videos if blocked. He can claim he doesn't block dissent (and Limbaugh's callers aren't screened) point to you among others and not have to worry about rebutal videos
Usually I was censored for calling HTWW on lying: "you said 'A' but your link says 'Not A', you've mislead everyone" (cont.)
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "last message on my part" actually you made 3 posts just now, 8 in total, while I've posted 13 in total, but my posts address EVERY point you've raised while you've ignored most of mine (questions on contempt, why HTWW never debunked your vids, 3 original questions, etc, etc) and for that SPECIFIC reason I have no interest in continuing this dialog.
Not about to waste a second following HTWW's video blogs, haven't done so in over a year, so be content humoring HTWW (cont.)
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "don't you think you're being just a little over-zealous in this whole sock account thing" no, unless you mean barely mentioning the sock thing since around when you made this video, LAST YEAR. You seem to be the only one still harping on it.
"do you honestly think 20,000+ subs he has are all sock accounts", YOU are the only one claiming that now (not then), at the time 1 in 6, or 17% looked like socks.
"well-known people who have invited him on their news programs", so what?
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, "overall contempt", contempt is illegal now? If somebody lies/corrupts/embelishes facts to suit their purposes, quotes opinions as fact, etc. Is that contemptable? What if they're very vocal against Israel claiming all manner of evil, but deliberately fail to mention they're Iranian muslim, is that hidden bias/prejudice contemptable? If so the reverse is also.
Is "capitalism evil"? I never said that, however it's not perfect.
Good luck befriending HTWW and getting unblocked.
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
@cristoballs, stumbled on this video by accident since you caved/changed the title, and your comments top the BLOG
Questions:
1. Why be bothered with what others are doing, consuming, caring, agreeing, thinking? You everyone's mother?
2. Consider yourself responsible? For what? Noting out 1 in 6 very odd sock-like subscribers? Just a fact. HTWW could've said "Not mine, now will any socks please unsubscribe", the end. Instead he guiltily made demands, threatened "action" and hid his subs
ZangaroZen 1 year ago
i think I may want to make a video about this. Now that I look back, I agree that the whole sock account thing really was a failed whistleblow attempt. Of course I don't hate Lee; I just find his political views questionable.
btw, I don't see how you could lose subscribers over this name change...
bubbamickmac 1 year ago
@bubbamickmac i think some people would unsubscribe, being that the reason they subbed in the first place was because of this video.
cristoballs 1 year ago
I think one of his sock accounts commented on one of my videos under the name LLGoldstein
testing88534 1 year ago
let's see how many subscribers i lose with this...
cristoballs 1 year ago
I bet all HTWW's sock accounts downrated this video.
cataclysmiceclipse 1 year ago
topher916 is also subbed to different channels like pyrobooby who is in the top 100. does that mean they are also buying sock accounts?
zakkfilms 1 year ago
They all joined on september 12
minnesotavikingsnfl 1 year ago
i can like this harder!?!? lolz
gunv11 1 year ago
It could have been him, but it also could have been one of his mindless subscribers.
mikeellerbeck 1 year ago
Can You-Tube do investigation on this.
abcd1to 1 year ago
i think thunderf00t made a video about reporting this matter to them a while back. my guess is either there wasn't enough evidence to do anything or they just don't care.
cristoballs 1 year ago
both funny and pathetic
kidaver1 1 year ago
Nice
yuothineyesasian 1 year ago
Wow! This is like cloning yourself because you have no friends.
Sad.
Danny123456789009876 2 years ago 7
@Danny123456789009876
Does that work? I'm lonely :(
smarterthanyoulook 1 year ago
I found this through thunderf00t's vid on the subject. This is a good vid, cristoballs. Subscribed.
Doliath 2 years ago
"leftist dogma" - the "leftists" are the ones who oppose dogma and don't want it ruling over society
gamegeek2 2 years ago 2
Could there be a more epic pwnage?
fartsahoy 2 years ago 2
the question really is who gives a damn? its youtube, theres no prize for having subscribers.
tekniklypyro 2 years ago
apparently it's a very big deal. before i made this video, i only had a handful of subscribers. and it was enough to rattle htww's cage so much that he felt the need to threaten me with a lawsuit if i didn't remove this video.
cristoballs 2 years ago
@cristoballs idiot
really5555 2 years ago
@really5555 dumbass
cristoballs 2 years ago
@really5555 imbecile
Boy192 2 years ago
@really5555 aren't you another one of Howtheworldworks' accounts? OH yes you ARE!!!!
HuhOhIc 1 year ago
I gotta say... that is totally epic.
asdfhuliashduflasihf 2 years ago
Also, because he is a partner, I believe he receives money for every new subscriber and view he gets he gets. That just might constitute fraud if he has that many socks.
liknital07 2 years ago
he does, apparently.
asdfhuliashduflasihf 2 years ago
@tekniklypyro lol no prize for having subscribers? youtube partnership with ad revenue to start, and higher search result listing (btw youtube is owned by google). subscribers = validation in the community and value (aka how much revenue can we extract [ from google, umm... oh i mean youtube's perspective]from the user).
gunv11 1 year ago
@tekniklypyro with subscribers you can get partnered and make money from youtube
zakkfilms 1 year ago
nothing. he threw out a few veiled threats, saying that i had so many days to remove the video, and that he would report me to youtube, but i don't scare so easily. i knew he was bluffing, and even if he wasn't, i was ready to deal with the situation.
cristoballs 2 years ago
lol i guess 20 examples out of 10,000 subscribers is enough proof for you.....now who is the conspiracy theorist?
jkachovec 2 years ago
no, actually the two other accounts which htww admitted to controlling, and used to favorite his own videos was enough. no conspiracy. he free admitted those two channels were his channels and then he tried to hide the fact that he was favoriting his videos from those accounts by hiding his favorites in those accounts. the accounts that i showed in this video were just the icing on the cake.
cristoballs 2 years ago
does anyone else notice a pattern in the 5 subscriptions?
tunawrangler1 2 years ago 4
Yes, its because when you subscribe to HTWW it asks if you want to describe to the other 4. I don't see how that's a problem, because when I subscribed to HTWW, I also subscribe to some of the others.
CDubSD 2 years ago
did you watch any of his videos before you subscribed? or did you just go on his channel and subscribe? those accounts had no views, and i don't think 20 people would subscribe to 5 people not knowing any of their vids
tunawrangler1 2 years ago 2
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Actually no, I didn't watch any of HTWW videos before I subscribed. I subscribed to Steven Crowder's channel and it asked me if I wanted to subscribe to 4 others. I liked Crowder's channel so I decided to subscribe to the others to check them out. Some, like HTWW, I liked and kept, and others I removed.
CDubSD 2 years ago
so you think every single person liked all 5 of those channels? They still had no watched videos, did you watch steven crowder? or did you just sub
tunawrangler1 2 years ago
My channel hadn't actually watched a Crowder video but I did. Not until I signed in did I subscribe. So technically, I had no views of Crowder before I subscribed. I can't speak for the other accounts but I'm legitimate.
Also it could be possible that people subscribing to another channel in the group has yet to watch a HTWW video, or maybe didn't even know they subscribed to HTWW. Like I said before, I don't know, but just my thought.
CDubSD 2 years ago
Its possible that some of those are legit but it does not seem even remotely plausible to suggest that all of them are, given their inactivity and that they all joined within about 3 weeks time
theviolator23 2 years ago
Reality has a liberal bias to HTWW.
RipTheSystem33 2 years ago
The recent activity doesn't look too much different, either...how much effort did he really put into this?
Rindrand 2 years ago
God, i cannot believe how arrogant he is,
why does he not just give up? i say we flag all his videos for offencive language
Limiting the amount of normal people who would
watch it,
and no i do not believe thats sinking to his level, his level is much much lower
tom133991 2 years ago 2
i'm convinced he's a cheater, if you look at his videos his ratings are pretty low and half the comments slag him off. He could not have that many suscribers.
metalebd 2 years ago 11
There is no way videos as divisive as his could get such good ratings. I shutter to think that 11,000 dumb people signed up to his account within the last year and tell him what bright insight he offers when it is nothing more than the echo of Rush, Fox, Coulter and other nuts.
shadowpirate100 2 years ago 16
@shadowpirate100
I signed up to YouTube so I could subscribe and thus keep track of what HTWW and a few other were saying.
Ps. check out his response to this nonsense.
mssnrykd 2 years ago 2
umlti accounts.. lame.
BoMBeK1986 2 years ago
How did you find these ppl if he keeps his subscriber list private? thats a hell of alot of sock accounts he had to create to get even near 10,200 subs.
lindsey2021 2 years ago
i get that question a lot. i looked through the subscriber list on the policytranslated channel. i figured since it's run by the cei and htww works for the cei, they might have some similar subscribers. there are other ways to find subscribers, even with hidden subscriber lists. that's just one of them.
cristoballs 2 years ago
If the accounts are his, why would he thank himself?
killpath 2 years ago
to make sure they look real..
azngung 2 years ago
that's true...
killpath 2 years ago
Yeah, these vids are really tipping off HTWW. His new socks look much more convincing now. My bro fakeham has been putting up with the fuckers on his vids, along with some other people. I'm just sayin, these methods are gonna be less useful soon, which sucks. I hate the dishonesty in all his shit. Still, thanks for making this vid.
338dmac 2 years ago 2
On the other hand, if HTWW has to go into his socks periodically and perform some activity. They'll also be less convenient.
In effect cristoballs has doubled the maintenance on each of his socks.
Jermbot15 2 years ago
Haha! Pwnd.
Thunderhawk96 2 years ago
bwahahaha! that guy sucks big time!
salado777 2 years ago
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The deck is stacked against him. So what if he was stacking it back?
SquadalaWereDinner 2 years ago
wait a minute. r u saying its ok to have socket accounts if you wouldn't have a shot at winning otherwise? thats like people w/out legs shooting Olympic runners in the feet to get a fair shot, or a president elect getting rid of ballots for the other candidate. weak argument dude.
go8smosh 2 years ago 3
Well, what I mean is that the same people who control the state and the media also own youtube and promote socialists like michael moore, etc.
SquadalaWereDinner 2 years ago
again. weak argument. anyone can be on youtube.
go8smosh 2 years ago
i just made a video on Lee that is a two part series on political unrationality. he hasn't taken my challenge yet, not that it matters
bubbamickmac 2 years ago
Does HTWW really think youtube will give two shits about his complaint?
ScrewAttackChina 2 years ago
Hahahaha, great video man. Thanks for exposing this weak individual's exploitation of YouTube.
TheExPlOiTeDOne619 2 years ago 2
Thats very attack of the clones of this Howtheworldworks.
Roannepur 2 years ago
LMAO,
They can lie all they want and at the last moment just before they die they can ask for forgiveness and go to thier promised land.
Well get going please.
CosmosPrivateer 2 years ago
"leftist dogma?"
RHYMEMAIDEN1 2 years ago 3
i'm glad to be a loser low sub channel rather than one with 10,000 subs who aren't actually watching. what's the point of having that many subscribers if there's no actual activity?
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago 4
wow, wow, and fucking wow
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago
HAHAHAHHAA!!!!!! oh wow. this is fantastic! good job!
NGstalagmite 2 years ago
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You people are so stupid. Even if someone went to the trouble to get a few DOZEN sock accounts what would it be for??
He's a lawyer dumbass would he waste time and resources within the same time he has risen in popularity??
TF is an idiot and I hope he gets sued for defamation LOL.
Esandero 2 years ago
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esandero,
proven sock account- 0
many of the people who were accused sock accounts are making videos showing that they arent sock accounts. Now we have atheist youtube police making sure people are active enough on youtube to make sure they cant be calssified as sock accounts. All cristoballs and TF are accomplishing is showing how dumb they are.
armydude734 2 years ago
it shows that HTWW is a fucking pussy loser who can't earn his goddam subscribers. Whoever has a sock account(s) is cheater.
alesko99 2 years ago 5
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luc59457 2 years ago
everybody write a letter to youtube so hopefully they can suspend this fraud
marker853 2 years ago
I think that LisaNova "could" also be involved.. Check my video please.
luc59457 2 years ago
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You guys are such fucking highschool mentality drama queen fucking fucktards. LoL
DWest174 2 years ago
Dam Dude You are right HTWW tore up that Bitch (Annie Leonard) from The Story of STUFF. Line for Line he put that uninformed Socialist in her place. This Bitch is brainwashing our children. Thanks for exposing this crap that is shown to our kids in schoolPEACE
sean7313 2 years ago
im a sock account.
armydude734 2 years ago
Lmao @ last login.
LovelesEntertainment 2 years ago
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Oh yeah, while I'm still here...
Like I truely need some Douchebag to tell me the news.
I'll go to FOX for that if in dire need.
JasonOusley 2 years ago
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Wow.
I NEVER post text comments out of respect for Youtubers who create their own material but yes, I want the 72 seconds of my life wasted by both watching this terrible video and commenting back.
Yes, I do.
No, I won't get it.
Yes, you suck.
No, I will not rate and subscribe.
I'd rather watch The View.
Bwa-ha to the ha ha ha.
Blow me.
JasonOusley 2 years ago
oohhh you're so edgy... can we be friends?
cristoballs 2 years ago
Haha awesome vid man:). He's exposed.
munkenmedguran 2 years ago 2
someone forgot to take their medication
liberosveritas 2 years ago 5
How is it though that these people can be intellectual!! would you be! if you believed in say the Easter bunny!,or the tooth fairy!! because their belief in the skydaddy is no different! so they are obviously intellectualy redundant!!...I rest my case mi/lud.
guillemot37 2 years ago
Yep your right dude,the righteous facade these people put on fools no one!! they pledge their undying love of god then they cheat and lie, then repent and all is forgiven!! i think not! if god did exist these people would be on the escalator down into the depths of Hell and good ridance!!lol.
guillemot37 2 years ago
WOW..Man, so thats how he did it!! that was so naughty HTWWs..i think your street cred has nose dived,that is if you had any in the first place,which i doubt!!.
It seems that god lovin Christians and right wingers are realy the not so christian ones on youtube, they votebot!,.. lie like hell, and are generaly undesirables!! Jesus would jump down from the cross and say up your's you hypocritical b/stards i want nothing to do with you!!...nuff said.
guillemot37 2 years ago 2
agreed... its amazing how such people claim this "high moral authority" but stoop to tactics their own god would strike them down for (if only it existed to do so)
mind you, none of this surprises me one iota... the thing that surprises me the most is that they consistently go up against people in debates that they dont stand a chance against... i think they have a highly over-rated opinion of their own intellectual capacities.
tarose71 2 years ago
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I think you're the one with the highly over-rated opinion of their own intellectual capacity here. HTWW completely owns people in his videos. Here you are saying he goes up against people his doesn't stand a chance against, when he clearly hasn't lost a debate yet. You are the personification of epic fail.
DWest174 2 years ago