Over 70% of fertilized eggs naturally fail to grow to term; they fail to implant or spontaneously abort by 12 weeks. Where are the funerals for all of them? If sacred life exists at conception, then EVERY fertilized egg lost is the death of a fully human, living innocent child! Why aren't you calling for medical research to alleviate this epidemic, which is killing the vast majority of innocent children???
these babies were found in a dumpster 2-26-10 in Lansing Mi. Attorney General Bill Schuette filed a lawsuit to shut down the Health Care Clinic. this is an example of the pure evil of abortion. it must be exposed for what it is. MURDER
@CatholicAmerican Hey, you know three homeless people and they are still homeless. Doesn't that make you feel great! Funerals and burials are not free, there are fees, and services to be rendered. Ask you neighbors who have had a recent death in the family.
You obviously don't do work with the homeless or else you'd know there are much more than monetary difficulties involved.
We also just laid a friend to rest last week. The coffin was expensive but you know what? I interviewed Dr. Monica Miller, Her husband built the coffin for the humans who were buried in this video.
@CatholicAmerican So your friend's funeral was free? My friend's father died 2 weeks ago. Her mother will be repaying a loan for the next few years. I should have told her about the FREE funerals.
Are you really upset that this was a free funeral or that all these people gathered together to give a proper burial for humans who would have otherwise been buried in a land fill?
@prolifesocietyvideo What have you done to stop your tax dollars from continuing to be used to kill Afghan children? It's been ten years now, trillions of dollars, lots of little bodies blown up. I bet it would help their parents a lot if you helped pay for their funerals and not just their murders.
So abortion is ok because tax dollars go towards killing Afghan children?
If you need to change the topic in an attempt to defend abortion then I think it's pretty clear that your conscience is telling you that abortion is wrong.
You don't know my views on war and I refuse to let you worm away from the abortion topic. Your conduct is sabotaging your integrity here.
@prolifesocietyvideo My integrity is intact. It's very much on topic to say the money and resources spent on this sham funeral would be better spent on REAL children who were ACTUALLY murdered by our own govt. As a compassionate person, it pains me to watch the pompous phonies in costume pretend their efforts to hurt women help imaginary "children," who somehow matter so very much, while the children we bomb somehow do not matter at all. Worm away from that.
@prolifesocietyvideo "So when does a human become a "real" human in your opinion?
I thought these kinds of conclusions were grounded in biology, not opinion." Um, then why ask for my opinion? You're confused; an expert opinion is the best we have to rely on for ALL biological and medical matters, but is still an OPINION. I am happy to present the evidence to support the opinion that a new human being does not exist until certain criteria are achieved. TBC
@ivyshoots Breathing air is essential to human life. Agreed? Therefore the ability to breathe air is a basic criterion for a human being. Fact: fetuses don't develop breathing capability until after 20 weeks; they get oxygen and everything else they need from the mother through blood. That's not how human beings function, therefore they are not yet human beings, but human fetuses. After you die, you're no longer a human being but a human corpse. Understand now?
It takes a tremendous amount of ignorance and bigotry to imply that pro-lifers don't care about children being bombed.
It also requires that the person reading your comment ignore the fact that you are trying to change the topic from one about abortion to one about military action. But since you have let's observe that the Pro-Abortion president Obama is also the one ordering drone bombing.
It is the culture of death that aborts and bombs innocent humans.
@prolifesocietyvideo "It takes a tremendous amount of ignorance and bigotry to imply that pro-lifers don't care about children being bombed." Funny, I never implied any such thing. I suggested that the money wasted on a stunt funeral for NOBODY would be better spent on actual dead children. If you disagree, own it. If you agree, start using funds to help real people instead of playing with dead fetuses. Finding personal offense at everything I say fools no one.
Pretending that the first 9 months of human development does not involve real humans is demonstrably ignorant.
Your human rights concerns are a patchwork quilt at best. You are very inconsistent and appear to ignore things that are incompatible with your personal world view.
@CatholicAmerican "All Catholic funerals are free." ROFL Parishioners tithe for decades, then you call it "free" to be granted a wedding and a couple of baptisms and funerals in all that time? As if anyone from outside the parish can just book all the "free" services they want! But it would be nice to do that for poor families, rather than waste limited resources as was done here, a funeral for NOBODY. Those feather hats are ridiculous.
@ivyshoots Last time I heard, the average fee is about $200 (in New York) for a Catholic funeral. The fee goes toward the organist, altar boys, usage of the church, etc. That's not counting cost of wake, coffin, and burial. For an absolute impoverished person, the state will remove your loved on in a body bag and cremate for about $500. Low income people may apply to have the fee waved. Do these prolife people live in
@mylittlekittens "Do these prolife people live in stepford?" Bingo. They're out of touch with the real world, where a lot of women struggle to feed their kids. Bringing more kids into the world when you can't meet the needs of the ones you have is child abuse. "Let them eat soup" say the prolifers.
You should probably retract your ignorant "stepford" comment after the events of the past few days.
The March for life is the largest annual march in the U.S. This year there were 400,000 people marching. Roe v. Wade will most definitely be overturned.
@prolifesocietyvideo There's nothing "ignorant" about recognizing the insular, privileged world of the people in the video. Are you ignorant or lying, when you claim 400,000 marched? Because FOX News, which is prolife, reported "tens of thousands," and that includes prochoice counter-protesters. Prolifers resort to lies at EVERY turn, because reason and reality don't fit your anti-woman agenda.
@prolifesocietyvideo It's also extremely ignorant to suggest that a large enough number of protesters could or would have any bearing on a US Supreme Court decision. You're ignorant of our Constitution, of logic, of reason, of biology, and of how all that ignorance is needed to continue to believe the lies you spread. All you know is your religious and emotional dogma, and you think you're entitled to control others with that? Not in America.
I have made actual appeals to biology and you keep trying to change the subject to war. How about you maintain some intellectual integrity and rebut what I have stated biologically instead of trying to change the subject to one of philosophy.
The historical fact is that religion cultivates intellect. Thus the multitude of Catholic built Universities and Hospitals.
You can close your eyes and pretend they aren't, but they are still there, contradicting your ignorant hate speech.
"where a lot of women struggle to feed their kids".
Where are their husbands? Do women just spontaneously become pregnant thus confining women to an endless state of birthing unless abortion steps in to save the day?
Your real intention here is not to defend women, You are here to defend promiscuity and reckless sexual behavior.
How can you 2 be content with trying to spin your own narrative here?
Do you know how many low income pro-lifers there are?
Income does not dictate the value of a human and it is Clear that the Catholic Church has their priorities right when they are always the first to show up when a natural disaster occurs or where basic human rights are violated. They do more for the poor than any other organization in the world both now and throughout history.
@prolifesocietyvideo The Church does NOTHING for the poor beyond urging them to adopt the beliefs of the Church. Jesus LOVES the poor. Suffer, starve, and produce as many offspring as possible to starve along with you, so you can all meet up for eternity in Heaven! That was Mother Teresa's message to all the poor Indians. She didn't relieve their suffering, except with the false promise that when death mercifully came, their "real" life would start. That's "prolife?"
@prolifesocietyvideo Admit YOU are being completely dishonest: I never said you "have to be Catholic" to get help, I said they urge you to be. And yet you bring up HAITI to dispute my point? It's 80% Catholic, and the rest, Protestant! I am intimately acquainted with the Church, so please don't try to lie and then accuse ME of doing so. Eighth Commandment and all. Oh and you're pretty silent about my ACCURATE description of Mother Teresa, I notice.
@prolifesocietyvideo I do not lie and make things up, but your quick accusation makes me think you're familiar with these tactics. See the Wikipedia entry for "Missionaries of Charity," go to "Controversy" for documentation in the Lancet, of patients dying who could have been saved, if she was concerned with saving their BODIES rather than only their SOULS. Either refute the facts or apologize for your unfair attacks on my character.
We are pretty familiar with the false controversy that Hitchens wanted to start as a narrative and how it doesn't take vary much intellectual effort to see both his and your words to be grounded in a false representation of the hospitals that Mother Theresa established.
@prolifesocietyvideo Stop LYING. The Lancet is not "Hitchens," it's a scientific medical journal. Keep dodging the truth and attacking the truth tellers. I assume you spend a good deal of time in the confessional each week, with the enormous number of incidents of bearing false witness you must rack up in conversations.
What does the confessional have to do with abortion.
Oh yeah, you're in change the subject mode. Here is where you grope at ways to turn this into a discussion about religion when it is really about the biological inconsistency of medical abortion.
You know that the Mother Teresa did not compartmentalize the human person. She treated both soul and body and guess what, that's consistent with Catholic Teaching. But atheists writhe whenever they her "soul" so they are spinning a false narrative of the situation because they can't stand the fact that such a religious person is working so much bodily good. It kills their fake narrative of religion.
@prolifesocietyvideo Actually, compartmentalizing is EXACTLY what she did. Your lack of understanding is amazing. You need to discredit me because I know too much about the Church; I was inside a long time, and I know how things work. I'm your worst enemy, because I tell the TRUTH about what's wrong with the Church, and even more wrong with misguided zealots like you, who presume to speak for all Catholics.
More evidence that your narrative on Mother Teresa is your own is the fact that you keep stating how much you know about the Church. Your comments are grounded in your own head and not in what we can learn from original historical documents, real people, real buildings, and real events.
You're so concerned about reporting how much you know because you are only pushing your own narrative. You are the storyteller. And you want stories that attack the pro-life movement.
To be pro-life, you have to pretend no nutrition and energy are supplied by the mother to the fetus for 9 long months, developing it INTO a baby from inanimate tissue. Why pretend a mother does NOTHING to make a baby, when she does EVERYTHING, giving of her own body to create another? You pretend we're just bystanders to a fully formed "life" that just happens to be parked briefly inside us. FALSE! Women create lives they must care for, so naturally the choice to do so or not is theirs alone.
The biological FACT that a woman's anatomy is designed to nourish life for the first 9 months of a human's existence is the very evidence that the pro-life movement appeals to in order to point the completely disordered behavior of abortion.
The purpose and function of the uterus is to nourish life.
Pregnancy is not a disease.
The uterus is not designed to welcome a vacuum which rips the human out of it.
@prolifesocietyvideo observes "The uterus is not designed to welcome a vacuum which rips the human out of it." LOL Of course not -- these instruments are designed to remove the uterine contents without harming the uterus. No biggie. Why such a need to control women and force our "design" to be our destiny? Our personal decisions aren't "disordered behavior;" how insulting. Women have been aborting pregnancies for thousands of years; it's sometimes the best choice.
It is UNIQUELY feminine to nourish life. It is not a feminine act to vacuum a human out of the place where he/she should be at that moment in their life.
The uterus is not making a mistake, the mother and the abortion worker is.
@hdfhssgsvfs5767 It would be so refreshing to come across a pro-lifer who knows the correct definitions of the words "murder" and "genocide." It's like Orwell's 1984; you have to make up new definitions for words if you want people to buy into your nonsense. You insult the victims of History's actual genocides with your ridiculous comparison. Shame on you.
Not even one of the 17 humans honored in this funeral were the victim of a late term abortion.
The whirl packs all had the names of the mother clearly written on them and we also retrieved unshredded patient documents which indicated that all of the aborted humans were between 4-10 weeks.
You can watch our video "Womans Choice Abortion Clinic Investigation" for details of the full investigation.
But I think your comment highlights the fact that the abortion industry wants to keep women ignorant about the biological facts of abortion and what human looks like when he/she is removed from the uterus.
So as the science of fetology, ultrasound technology, and endoscopic video are advanced, the world becomes less and less ignorant of the fact that abortion is a disordered act that can no longer be defended by law.
@prolifesocietyvideo You're WRONG. No amount of fetology can accelerate the development of the lungs so they can function before 20 weeks. What a fetus "looks" like is irrelevant to whether it has the capacity for life outside the womb, and only a childish and ignorant mind would rely on fingers and toes to be convinced that's all one needs to be a person.
I have always stated that conception is the beginning of a new human and that is a biological fact.
A sperm is not a human. It is a haploid. An egg is not a human, it also only has 23 chromosomes.
At conception you have a new 46 chromosome human. The multiplication of cells and structures does not grant humanity where biology is concerned. You began at conception.
@prolifesocietyvideo "You're playing the storyteller again ." Yeah, you say that whenever I post biological facts which refute YOUR fairy tale story of a ball of undifferentiated cells is a "human being" with full human rights. My source? Science. Your source? A bunch of "celibate" old men and women whose religion tells them women only exist to gestate and produce men's offspring. Twins don't exist at conception, so clearly not all people begin at that point, story-teller.
A premature human in an incubator is just as much human as one that is only 2 weeks conceived; as only one second conceived; as only 5 years old; as only 5 minutes from death.
This is a biological fact. At conception we have a new unique member of the human species.
@prolifesocietyvideo "A premature human in an incubator is just as much human as one that is only 2 weeks conceived; as only one second conceived; as only 5 years old; as only 5 minutes from death." What a great fiction STORY! "At conception we have a new unique member of the human species." "WE?" Who's this "we?" You think it's YOUR business when a stranger gets pregnant? And what happens to that unique person when the egg splits into twins? C'mon, tell us a STORY!
So for you, is it form of dependence which grants humanity?
Sorry but a newly born human doesn't nourish itself. Some other human has to feed it or else it will die. And that stage of development lasts several years after birth.
Sorry, Humanity is a biological fact not an arbitrary opinion.
@prolifesocietyvideo "So for you, is it form of dependence which grants humanity?" No clue what that means, so I'd have to say NO, it's not that way for me, whatever you were trying to convey. None of this is about ME or MY feelings or beliefs, but about a woman's human right to control her own body. YOUR need is to control women and keep them pregnant like brood mares. The more you scream about HUMANS, the less you treat women like humans. It's despicable.
I keep talking about biological facts and you keep trying to talk about YOUR philosophy.
Sorry but if your philosophy isn't grounded in biological facts then it is bad philosophy.
Now when someone says that a human has rights from the moment of conception, this is a statement grounded in the fact that at conception there is no longer 1 human but 2 humans involved. To pursue abortion means that one human can end another human through pure desire.
@prolifesocietyvideo If a person with full rights exists at conception, you should have no problem with it being removed from another person's uterus, right? Surely the woman has the SAME rights as all other humans, which includes not having other people invade your body against your wishes, correct? Isn't that what rape is? We don't force people to shelter the homeless, even when they'll freeze to death outside, so why is this different? She has rights, yes?
When humans start magically jumping into a woman's uterus, then she can have the right to remove the intruder but that's not how REAL BIOLOGY WORKS and you know it.
Your comments exhibit that you refuse to accept the real dynamics of your body and that you want to perpetuate a regime of ignorance among woman about how their body really works so that you can justify your pro-abortion world view to yourself.
Your philosophy is not compatible with real biology.
@prolifesocietyvideo You wrote "When humans start magically jumping into a woman's uterus, then she can have the right" "Then she can have the right" is a clear expression that you believe YOU have authority over HER rights. On what grounds do you claim that YOU get to dictate what "rights" a complete stranger can or cannot have? Octomom went against her dynamics, and I find human "litters" immoral, but I don't presume to have the right to make in vitro illegal.
You are also at war with the fact that this video reveals a dumpster full of humans. A dumpster full of humans is the reality of abortion.
Pregnant women are not slaves, they are mothers. Sex objects are the real slaves. People who engage in sex while pretending that there is no responsibility connected with that act are the ones who are turning women into objects, into slaves.
You are trying to justify disordered desires. Disordered because you can not ground them in biology. Coitus promotes the mixing of gametes. 23 chromosomes from the woman and 23 from the man. When those gametes join there is a new 46 chromosome human. Women do not get pregnant by mistake. It is a REAL BIOLOGICAL PROCESS that is preceded by an act of the intellect.
NO ACT NO PREGNANCY. And even willing the act doesn't make it so because you have to engage coitus when a woman is fertile.
@prolifesocietyvideo Your objectification of women is disgusting. Prochoice is always called "NAZIS" by ppl like you, but the only Nazi sentiment is the one reducing women to breeding animals with no right to decide what happens to their own bodies. A woman is just a "biological" incubator for a man's heir? "Women do not get pregnant by mistake?" In the real world they do all the time. They also can die from pregnancy, or the fetus can have no brain, great reasons to abort.
Only an ignorant person would call women breeding animals.
Only an ignorant person would accuse the pro-life movement of viewing women as breeding animals.
You are really groping to justify your world view to yourself now.
Nobody can reason with you if you insist on being at war with the natural dynamics of your body. You will accept nothing but affirmation, but rational people can not affirm disordered behavior which is at war with biological reality.
@prolifesocietyvideo "Only an ignorant person would call women breeding animals." Agreed. And only an ignorant person would REGARD women as breeding animals, which is what all your "accept the natural dynamics of your body" BS amounts to. "Accept" it? Or be forced by law to comply anyway? That's even WORSE than treating her like an animal, telling a woman she must die of preeclampsia because that's the natural dynamic of her body. Stop attacking me for defending women.
Do you even know what preeclampsia is and what the actual medical treatment for it is?
I know many women who have had preeclampsia during pregnancy. I know of no women who have died fro preeclampsia. Not saying there aren't any but I am saying that abortion causes more women to die of preeclampsia because it causes fewer instances of advancing REAL TREATMENT for the condition.
@prolifesocietyvideo "There's early induction." Indeed, but before viability, it kills the fetus, correct? I failed to distinguish between manageable preeclampsia and advanced, or eclampsia itself, which REQUIRES ending the pregnancy one way or another, or the patient DIES. Where do you get "speaking for women" from that? If a woman chooses to die rather than be treated, I can't stop her. Nor would I stop her from choosing to live. You blame me for your own arrogance.
@prolifesocietyvideo "the only treatment for preeclampsia is abortion." I never said it was the ONLY treatment, but it hints that you know it IS sometimes necessary. You just distort everything I say. My point was that your flat denial of her RIGHT to abort her fetus because it's not "natural" or "intended" would kill a woman in the throes of eclampsia. Rather than say, "No I am for abortion in her case, at least," you lie, "I know of no women who have died from preeclampsia." Shameful.
@ivyshoots I think ProlifeSociety's point was that specifically BECAUSE there are plenty of other options for a woman with Preeclampsia, there is no medical need for abortion. Yes, early induction would require the baby to be viable, but you also have to acknowledge that there are medications to help support the pregnancy to that point. If a woman has extreme eclampsia before viability is reached, it would most likely result in a miscarriage (unfortunate, but true).
@MarvelousMom2 "If a woman has extreme eclampsia before viability is reached, it would most likely result in a miscarriage " Miscarriage or not, it would DEFINITELY result in her convulsing and bleeding to death, but you'd want the doctor to do nothing? How unfortunate, she didn't live long enough to support the fetus to viability. Unfortunate she'll never have the chance to try again. Unfortunate her born children are now motherless. But you got to decide that for her
@ivyshoots No one ever said that because abortion was a bad option, that no medical intervention whatsoever was allowed. Don't put words into my mouth. I realize this sounds awful, but women have been miscarrying for almost as long as they've been having children, and it doesn't always result in the death of the mother, especially while in a fully equipped medical facility. Once again, trying to deliver a baby, but being unsuccessful, is very different from killing a baby and THEN extracting it.
How about you cite an actual medical case because the OBs I'v spoken with say there is no instance where there has been a medical necessity for an abortion.
So we can debate cases that exist in your own head but that's not very fruitful now is it?
@prolifesocietyvideo The OBs I've spoken with say eclampsia, uncontrolled diabetes, heart failure, labile blood pressure, and serious kidney disease can all sometimes require termination to save the patient. I can only say, if I were a woman with any of these conditions, I seriously hope I wouldn't be treated by the sort of OBs you pal around with, but by one who puts MY life and health before that of my fetus.
@ivyshoots There are steps that can be taken in the case of an emergency to save a mothers life without deliberately endangering that of the child. I would also hope that if a woman knows there is a high likelihood of complications in the case of pregnancy, that she would take steps NOT to get pregnant- i.e. abstain when there is a risk. It strikes me as reckless and selfish to treat a baby as disposable when a little responsibility could avoided the whole situation.
@MarvelousMom2 It would be nice if what you said was true, that there's NEVER a need to terminate a pregnancy to save the woman, but there sometimes is. The ONLY treatment for eclampsia is immediate delivery; when it strikes before viability, there is no hope for the fetus, because the mother WILL die w/o removal of the fetus, so either way, the fetus dies. You prefer to imagine that bad things never happen and we can magically "know" when the might, that's not reality.
@ivyshoots I am not ignorant, willfully or otherwise. The fact is, that while early induction can be a risk for the baby (risks which decrease with every medical advancement), abortion is a deliberate act meant to kill the baby. According to my own OB (I had preecclampsia once, too) a woman's body will often of its own accord go into preterm labor, and it can result in fetal distress and ultimately the death of the newborn. This is an unfortunate side effect, but one that is not wished for.
@MarvelousMom2 I notice every thing is all about you, you, you. As if you can't imagine life being any different for anybody than it is for you. You suggested women can "know" beforehand when a pregnancy will have problems, and avoid getting pregnant with that one! Nice trick; I've never heard of anyone actually DOING it, yet you call them irresponsible, reckless, and selfish. That's pretty ignorant.
@ivyshoots Have you ever had your medical history taken? Has your OB asked your weight or age? Asked about issues with stress or depression? Allergies? Have they taken your blood pressure and other stats on routine office visits? All of this is done with the expectation that they can help you prepare for the possible issues you could face in any medical situation.
@ivyshoots Yes, unforeseen problems can happen, but it still seems selfish, in the face of warning signs, to say "Yes, I'll take the risk," and then change your mind and abort your baby. I'm not trying to make this about me, and please know that I have the utmost sympathy for women who find themselves in difficult situations (especially unexpected ones). But I don't think pushing them toward abortions will ultimately help them physically, spiritually, or emotionally.
@MarvelousMom2 No, you do NOT have "the utmost sympathy" for someone when you call them selfish for living their lives according to THEIR best interests, beliefs, values, and goals, rather than yours.
@ivyshoots I'm sorry, can you not sympathize with someone and still disagree with their solutions at the same time? If a friend comes to you with a problem, what is your response? Do you never offer sincere advise along with your commiseration? Do you never offer to help? Have you ever had to offer consolation to a woman who is emotionally devastated after pursuing her abortion?
@ivyshoots My husband and I practice NFP; I am NOT a breeding machine. On the contrary, I have 3 WONDERFUL children, and a husband who is completely committed to keeping us happy and healthy. He does not see me as a breeding machine, but rather treats me as something other than just a convenience for getting his rocks off. I KNOW I am not being used for sex, because we have a relationship that can withstand occasional abstinence. I hope anger doesn't keep you from understanding that.
@MarvelousMom2 You completely misunderstood my comments, obviously because the dishonest uploader keeps "responding" to me by lying and distorting everything I say. I said, anyone who seeks to deny a woman her right to decide FOR HERSELF whether to continue or terminate her pregnancy is treating her like a breeding animal, and that denying, limiting, impeding, or interfering with her medical treatment options is treating her even worse than an animal.
@ivyshoots In what way does this treat her as a breeding machine or worse than an animal? I think you've made the assumption that the people making the decisions would prefer to kill the woman to save the baby and this is definitely not the case. All of the research I've done has suggested that it is very possible to seek the mother's health while doing one's best to ensure the baby has at least a chance at survival.
@MarvelousMom2 The breeder comment was in response to the uploader saying that since a woman has a uterus, her "purpose" is for fetuses grow in it whether she wants them to or not. That's completely dehumanizing to the woman. I know your immediate response is to think "But what about the fetus? It's ALIVE!" but for once, I'd like you to just face the fact that you CAN'T protect the fetus from its own mother unless you dehumanize her and deny her dominion over her own body.
@ivyshoots I've been looking, and I haven't found any spots where ProlifeSociety says "whether she wants them to or not." We DO generally have a choice in whether or not we have sex, yes? (Ignore the question of rape, for now- we have up until now been speaking of women having consensual sex). Is there another use for a uterus that I'm not aware of?
@MarvelousMom2 No, dear, "we" HAVEN'T been speaking of women having consensual sex -- YOU have. I said that was inappropriate and irrelevant, but you just can't get sex off your mind. I guess it's "abstinence" time right now, huh? ; ) See, I don't talk about strangers' sex lives because they're none of my business. What "use" a stanger's uterus is to her is NONE OF MY BUSINESS, unless I think it belongs to society and not her, but that would be DEHUMANIZING.
@ivyshoots I don't know why you're so upset about my using the word "sex." It's pretty commonly understood that sex and the reproductive system go together. I'd also like to point out that YOU'RE the one making assumptions about my sex life- and also making the assumption that my responses are purely hormonal. So are we to assert that the figurative "woman with severe preecclampsia" was also raped and was probably kicked out of the house by her fundamentalist domineering father?
@MarvelousMom2 Okay, we're done here. I'm not upset, I made no assumptions about your sex life beyond what you revealed, you pretended a joke was a serious statement, and, congrats, you played both the partisan politics card AND the persecuted Christian card in an underhanded way. It would have been simpler to say, "I can't deny how dehumanizing it is to claim control over a total stranger's uterus." But you chose dishonesty instead. Stay marvelous!
@ivyshoots You seem pretty upset for somebody who isn't upset- sorry I misunderstood your "joke", but I hope you can understand my confusion since it came sandwiched between criticisms. How was I dishonest? When did I ever claim control over a stranger's uterus? Do you think I walk up to people on the street, proclaim them to be pregnant, and it happens? I've said it several times, THEY choose whether or not to use what their body is made for. Sorry you can't seem to get beyond that.
@ivyshoots It's fine if you want to end the discussion, and I hope that you do, as you said, live your life according to your beliefs and values; I was simply trying to help educate, not to condemn or control.
@ivyshoots This is not about trying to control what "use" a stranger's uterus is to her. I don't control other people's choices. Have you taken a biology class? Every textbook pretty much says the same thing about the uterus- it serves a specific purpose in the body, whether or not you choose to use it. It is FACT that the uterus is part of the reproductive system and is designed to conceive and carry a baby through the period of gestation. I didn't make it that way, it's just how it is.
@ivyshoots It seems to me that it is MORE dehumanizing for a man to expect the use of a woman's body for pleasure without the commitment or responsibility that comes with being willing to raise a family with her. It is more dehumanizing to reject completely the amazing capabilities of the human body. It is damaging to her emotions and psyche to be intimate with a person who does not love her enough to say "Yes, I'd like another one of YOU in the world."
@MarvelousMom2 This isn't a dehumanizing contest, let's see who wins. You don't get excused for YOUR dehumanizing treatment by pointing to someone who is worse. I hope you don't let your kids get away with that, yet you use it yourself? You seem terribly self-centered: calling yourself "marvelous," scolding anyone who isn't just like you and your hubby, populating the lucky world with as many new "YOUs" as possible. Forgive me for not saying "thanks."
@ivyshoots In what way was I dehumanizing anyone? Am I not supposed to call upon my own experience, both good and bad? Have I ever stopped you from speaking about your own experience? I recall asking you several questions, but getting no answers. I have never claimed to be perfect, and you have assigned both arrogance and ignorance to me as a way of ignoring the truth that I've spoken. Tell me what I've said that's wrong or untrue, and I will do my best to answer you reasonably.
@ivyshoots I never said anyone had to be exactly like me; at the most, all I've said is that I try to have a good relationship with my husband, and I don't think I should be condemned for that. You don't have to devote all of your time to remaining "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" and I've never said that if you're not married and popping out babies you're doing something wrong. I'm just trying to live in the best way I can and to encourage others to do the same for themselves.
@MarvelousMom2 Frankly, I find your sharing the details of your sex life inappropriate and irrelevant. You really do put yourself at the center of this issue for some reason, as if you're this fantastic role model which ALL women, regardless of the circumstances and challenges in THEIR lives, can and should emulate. I completely respect your choices and am glad you're happy, but you're wrong to misjudge and dictate to people you know nothing about. You do not have that right.
@ivyshoots Did I say everyone should be just like me? Funny, I don't recall saying that. I'm not stupid and I realize that everyone has challenges and difficulties; I also know that some women don't have the support that I do. This does not change the fact that A) sex makes babies, and B) our society has encouraged abortion and birth control with little to no concern for the side effects that THESE can have on the rest of their lives.
@ivyshoots Is my SN turning you off? I was just looking at it, and from a certain perspective I guess it can seem kind of arrogant- but it was never intended in a showing-off kind of way. Actually, my hubby chose it for me as a sort of encouragement on one of my off days (and yes, we all have them). So it was meant just as a nice moment between the two of us, not as a reflection on how I view other moms or women in general.
How absolutely selfish and brainwashed do you have to be to insist that you can engage in coitus without the biological FACTS taking place?
Abortion is selfish and biologically ignorant. Abortion is the result of ignorance and an abnormally robust sex life.
This is why the pro-life movement is made up of a majority of women. Because fertility and motherhood are the most feminine dimensions of a woman, not promiscuous sex or pornography. There is nothing less feminine than secularism.
@prolifesocietyvideo Wherever women are free to exercise control over their own bodies, including the decision NOT to have sex unless they want it, and may own property, there is significantly less poverty, lower child mortality and illness. Subjugation of women is the result of ignorance and adherence to the sexist teachings of St Paul. Your focus on porn tells much about YOU and your privileged ignorance of the lives of most women.
Coitus has a very specific biological aim. Your body understands this even if your brain will not accept it. But hey, that's the dynamic of free will, we can choose to ignore biological reality.
Human bodies produce gametes that are specifically designed to join heterosexually. The female body has an organ (uterus) which is designed to nourish a human for 9 months.
Abortion is an act that is at war with the female body and the newly conceived human.
A woman does not have a so called right to an abortion.
You have to ignore so many biological facts about human reproductive organs and the beginning of human life in order to pretend that abortion is a right.
No rational human can affirm a behavior that is so gravely at war with nature. Abortion clearly should not be legal.
FRANKif i see you in person I will beat your ass, and if you go any where near my baby nephew I will cut off your virgin balls and shove them down your throat!
Thank you for this video. My husband and I were there for the funeral & burial of these Holy Innocents. It was indeed a moving and profoundly touching & holy experience. Let us continue to work to bring the evil action of abortion to an end. For 38 & 1/2 years our nation has been wondering in the dessert. It is time to get out. Let us pray for the Holy Innocents and all victims of abortion, which includes millions of Moms, Dads, Grandparents & Siblings. God bless & heal the USA & the world.
@sandieweathers Over 70% of fertilized eggs naturally fail to grow to term; most fail to implant or are blighted and spontaneously abort by 12 weeks. Where are the funerals for all of them? Why do they count less as "precious" and "holy" in your eyes? If sacred life exists at conception, then EVERY fertilized egg lost = the death of a full-grown, living child! Why aren't you lobbying for medical research to alleviate this epidemic, which is killing the vast majority of innocent children???
Thank you for giving dignity to the lives of these innocent unborn children. But we must remember that many of their mothers were likely coerced or forced to abort. Pro-lifers, learn the TRUTH about Abortion & Choice. Most abortions are unwanted or coerced. Many are forced. Learn what you can do about it. Go to theunchoice(dot)com & clinicquotes(dot)com.
There has always been a class of human being that was disposable for the convenience of the ruling class. Nowdays it is the unborn. May God forgive us.
Poor babies it makes me sick to know there r ppl out there who would hurt them. This does make me feel good tho to know there are still ppl who r against the murder of innocent defensless babies
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Over 70% of fertilized eggs naturally fail to grow to term; they fail to implant or spontaneously abort by 12 weeks. Where are the funerals for all of them? If sacred life exists at conception, then EVERY fertilized egg lost is the death of a fully human, living innocent child! Why aren't you calling for medical research to alleviate this epidemic, which is killing the vast majority of innocent children???
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
RIP the murdered unborn.
KnightOwl2006 3 weeks ago
these babies were found in a dumpster 2-26-10 in Lansing Mi. Attorney General Bill Schuette filed a lawsuit to shut down the Health Care Clinic. this is an example of the pure evil of abortion. it must be exposed for what it is. MURDER
timeboat 3 months ago
Why not give out free funerals for impoverished families? Not just preterm fetuses. They can be quite expensive.
mylittlekittens 5 months ago
@mylittlekittens
I don't think it's any coincidence that the same people I see on the pro-life lines are the same ones I see volunteering in the soup kitchens.
All Catholic funerals are free. Maybe you shouldn't let your flawed world view blind your eyes to reality.
I know the names of all the homeless people who beg on the street within a 3 mile radius of where I live. Do you?
Maybe you should get out of your own myopic head and see who is helping the poor these days.
CatholicAmerican 3 months ago
@CatholicAmerican Hey, you know three homeless people and they are still homeless. Doesn't that make you feel great! Funerals and burials are not free, there are fees, and services to be rendered. Ask you neighbors who have had a recent death in the family.
mylittlekittens 3 months ago
@mylittlekittens
You obviously don't do work with the homeless or else you'd know there are much more than monetary difficulties involved.
We also just laid a friend to rest last week. The coffin was expensive but you know what? I interviewed Dr. Monica Miller, Her husband built the coffin for the humans who were buried in this video.
You are in a very dark place.
Got any more ignorant comments?
CatholicAmerican 3 months ago
@CatholicAmerican So your friend's funeral was free? My friend's father died 2 weeks ago. Her mother will be repaying a loan for the next few years. I should have told her about the FREE funerals.
mylittlekittens 3 months ago
@mylittlekittens
Are you really upset that this was a free funeral or that all these people gathered together to give a proper burial for humans who would have otherwise been buried in a land fill?
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo What have you done to stop your tax dollars from continuing to be used to kill Afghan children? It's been ten years now, trillions of dollars, lots of little bodies blown up. I bet it would help their parents a lot if you helped pay for their funerals and not just their murders.
ivyshoots 4 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
So abortion is ok because tax dollars go towards killing Afghan children?
If you need to change the topic in an attempt to defend abortion then I think it's pretty clear that your conscience is telling you that abortion is wrong.
You don't know my views on war and I refuse to let you worm away from the abortion topic. Your conduct is sabotaging your integrity here.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo My integrity is intact. It's very much on topic to say the money and resources spent on this sham funeral would be better spent on REAL children who were ACTUALLY murdered by our own govt. As a compassionate person, it pains me to watch the pompous phonies in costume pretend their efforts to hurt women help imaginary "children," who somehow matter so very much, while the children we bomb somehow do not matter at all. Worm away from that.
ivyshoots 4 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
So when does a human become a "real" human in your opinion?
I thought these kinds of conclusions were grounded in biology, not opinion.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
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@prolifesocietyvideo "So when does a human become a "real" human in your opinion?
I thought these kinds of conclusions were grounded in biology, not opinion." Um, then why ask for my opinion? You're confused; an expert opinion is the best we have to rely on for ALL biological and medical matters, but is still an OPINION. I am happy to present the evidence to support the opinion that a new human being does not exist until certain criteria are achieved. TBC
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots Breathing air is essential to human life. Agreed? Therefore the ability to breathe air is a basic criterion for a human being. Fact: fetuses don't develop breathing capability until after 20 weeks; they get oxygen and everything else they need from the mother through blood. That's not how human beings function, therefore they are not yet human beings, but human fetuses. After you die, you're no longer a human being but a human corpse. Understand now?
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
It takes a tremendous amount of ignorance and bigotry to imply that pro-lifers don't care about children being bombed.
It also requires that the person reading your comment ignore the fact that you are trying to change the topic from one about abortion to one about military action. But since you have let's observe that the Pro-Abortion president Obama is also the one ordering drone bombing.
It is the culture of death that aborts and bombs innocent humans.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo "It takes a tremendous amount of ignorance and bigotry to imply that pro-lifers don't care about children being bombed." Funny, I never implied any such thing. I suggested that the money wasted on a stunt funeral for NOBODY would be better spent on actual dead children. If you disagree, own it. If you agree, start using funds to help real people instead of playing with dead fetuses. Finding personal offense at everything I say fools no one.
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
Burying dead humans is not a stunt.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
Pretending that the first 9 months of human development does not involve real humans is demonstrably ignorant.
Your human rights concerns are a patchwork quilt at best. You are very inconsistent and appear to ignore things that are incompatible with your personal world view.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@CatholicAmerican "All Catholic funerals are free." ROFL Parishioners tithe for decades, then you call it "free" to be granted a wedding and a couple of baptisms and funerals in all that time? As if anyone from outside the parish can just book all the "free" services they want! But it would be nice to do that for poor families, rather than waste limited resources as was done here, a funeral for NOBODY. Those feather hats are ridiculous.
ivyshoots 4 weeks ago
@ivyshoots Last time I heard, the average fee is about $200 (in New York) for a Catholic funeral. The fee goes toward the organist, altar boys, usage of the church, etc. That's not counting cost of wake, coffin, and burial. For an absolute impoverished person, the state will remove your loved on in a body bag and cremate for about $500. Low income people may apply to have the fee waved. Do these prolife people live in
stepford?
mylittlekittens 4 weeks ago
@mylittlekittens "Do these prolife people live in stepford?" Bingo. They're out of touch with the real world, where a lot of women struggle to feed their kids. Bringing more kids into the world when you can't meet the needs of the ones you have is child abuse. "Let them eat soup" say the prolifers.
ivyshoots 4 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
You should probably retract your ignorant "stepford" comment after the events of the past few days.
The March for life is the largest annual march in the U.S. This year there were 400,000 people marching. Roe v. Wade will most definitely be overturned.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo There's nothing "ignorant" about recognizing the insular, privileged world of the people in the video. Are you ignorant or lying, when you claim 400,000 marched? Because FOX News, which is prolife, reported "tens of thousands," and that includes prochoice counter-protesters. Prolifers resort to lies at EVERY turn, because reason and reality don't fit your anti-woman agenda.
ivyshoots 4 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo It's also extremely ignorant to suggest that a large enough number of protesters could or would have any bearing on a US Supreme Court decision. You're ignorant of our Constitution, of logic, of reason, of biology, and of how all that ignorance is needed to continue to believe the lies you spread. All you know is your religious and emotional dogma, and you think you're entitled to control others with that? Not in America.
ivyshoots 4 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
I have made actual appeals to biology and you keep trying to change the subject to war. How about you maintain some intellectual integrity and rebut what I have stated biologically instead of trying to change the subject to one of philosophy.
The historical fact is that religion cultivates intellect. Thus the multitude of Catholic built Universities and Hospitals.
You can close your eyes and pretend they aren't, but they are still there, contradicting your ignorant hate speech.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
"where a lot of women struggle to feed their kids".
Where are their husbands? Do women just spontaneously become pregnant thus confining women to an endless state of birthing unless abortion steps in to save the day?
Your real intention here is not to defend women, You are here to defend promiscuity and reckless sexual behavior.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@mylittlekittens
How can you 2 be content with trying to spin your own narrative here?
Do you know how many low income pro-lifers there are?
Income does not dictate the value of a human and it is Clear that the Catholic Church has their priorities right when they are always the first to show up when a natural disaster occurs or where basic human rights are violated. They do more for the poor than any other organization in the world both now and throughout history.
It begins with LIFE.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo The Church does NOTHING for the poor beyond urging them to adopt the beliefs of the Church. Jesus LOVES the poor. Suffer, starve, and produce as many offspring as possible to starve along with you, so you can all meet up for eternity in Heaven! That was Mother Teresa's message to all the poor Indians. She didn't relieve their suffering, except with the false promise that when death mercifully came, their "real" life would start. That's "prolife?"
ivyshoots 4 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
In REALITY you do not have to be catholic in order to receive aid from the Catholic Church.
There was nothing to sign after the Haiti earthquake. Catholic social services treated everyone who was in need.
You don't even need to be Catholic to attend a Catholic university.
Are you ready to admit you have been very dishonest in your comments here?
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo Admit YOU are being completely dishonest: I never said you "have to be Catholic" to get help, I said they urge you to be. And yet you bring up HAITI to dispute my point? It's 80% Catholic, and the rest, Protestant! I am intimately acquainted with the Church, so please don't try to lie and then accuse ME of doing so. Eighth Commandment and all. Oh and you're pretty silent about my ACCURATE description of Mother Teresa, I notice.
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
Please cite the document that corroborates what you are claiming about Mother Teresa.
Either cite it or admit that you just made that up right now and have intended it to be insulting and misleading.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo I do not lie and make things up, but your quick accusation makes me think you're familiar with these tactics. See the Wikipedia entry for "Missionaries of Charity," go to "Controversy" for documentation in the Lancet, of patients dying who could have been saved, if she was concerned with saving their BODIES rather than only their SOULS. Either refute the facts or apologize for your unfair attacks on my character.
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
We are pretty familiar with the false controversy that Hitchens wanted to start as a narrative and how it doesn't take vary much intellectual effort to see both his and your words to be grounded in a false representation of the hospitals that Mother Theresa established.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo Stop LYING. The Lancet is not "Hitchens," it's a scientific medical journal. Keep dodging the truth and attacking the truth tellers. I assume you spend a good deal of time in the confessional each week, with the enormous number of incidents of bearing false witness you must rack up in conversations.
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
I'm all for scrutiny but what you and Hitchens and the Lancet does is not scrutiny. It's narrative spinning.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
What does the confessional have to do with abortion.
Oh yeah, you're in change the subject mode. Here is where you grope at ways to turn this into a discussion about religion when it is really about the biological inconsistency of medical abortion.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
You know that the Mother Teresa did not compartmentalize the human person. She treated both soul and body and guess what, that's consistent with Catholic Teaching. But atheists writhe whenever they her "soul" so they are spinning a false narrative of the situation because they can't stand the fact that such a religious person is working so much bodily good. It kills their fake narrative of religion.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo Actually, compartmentalizing is EXACTLY what she did. Your lack of understanding is amazing. You need to discredit me because I know too much about the Church; I was inside a long time, and I know how things work. I'm your worst enemy, because I tell the TRUTH about what's wrong with the Church, and even more wrong with misguided zealots like you, who presume to speak for all Catholics.
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
More evidence that your narrative on Mother Teresa is your own is the fact that you keep stating how much you know about the Church. Your comments are grounded in your own head and not in what we can learn from original historical documents, real people, real buildings, and real events.
You're so concerned about reporting how much you know because you are only pushing your own narrative. You are the storyteller. And you want stories that attack the pro-life movement.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
You're a fake.
You choose to ignore the brick buildings that stand in testimony against your world view.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
To be pro-life, you have to pretend no nutrition and energy are supplied by the mother to the fetus for 9 long months, developing it INTO a baby from inanimate tissue. Why pretend a mother does NOTHING to make a baby, when she does EVERYTHING, giving of her own body to create another? You pretend we're just bystanders to a fully formed "life" that just happens to be parked briefly inside us. FALSE! Women create lives they must care for, so naturally the choice to do so or not is theirs alone.
ivyshoots 6 months ago
@ivyshoots
The biological FACT that a woman's anatomy is designed to nourish life for the first 9 months of a human's existence is the very evidence that the pro-life movement appeals to in order to point the completely disordered behavior of abortion.
The purpose and function of the uterus is to nourish life.
Pregnancy is not a disease.
The uterus is not designed to welcome a vacuum which rips the human out of it.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
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@prolifesocietyvideo observes "The uterus is not designed to welcome a vacuum which rips the human out of it." LOL Of course not -- these instruments are designed to remove the uterine contents without harming the uterus. No biggie. Why such a need to control women and force our "design" to be our destiny? Our personal decisions aren't "disordered behavior;" how insulting. Women have been aborting pregnancies for thousands of years; it's sometimes the best choice.
ivyshoots 4 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
It is UNIQUELY feminine to nourish life. It is not a feminine act to vacuum a human out of the place where he/she should be at that moment in their life.
The uterus is not making a mistake, the mother and the abortion worker is.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
abortion is genocide
hdfhssgsvfs5767 6 months ago
@hdfhssgsvfs5767 It would be so refreshing to come across a pro-lifer who knows the correct definitions of the words "murder" and "genocide." It's like Orwell's 1984; you have to make up new definitions for words if you want people to buy into your nonsense. You insult the victims of History's actual genocides with your ridiculous comparison. Shame on you.
ivyshoots 6 months ago
@hdfhssgsvfs5767
you mean murder
rolewi11 5 months ago
@hdfhssgsvfs5767 I bet you would've liked to have a retarded baby with one leg and no hands and I bet he would've liked it too !
SatanicWarbringer 4 months ago
Could you please explain to the world how you went about retrieving those aborted fetuses in the first place?'
And for the record, those fetuses were late-term abortions. 90% of all abortions occur within the first 10 weeks of pregnancy.
juliaisafilmbuff123 6 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123
That is a completely false statement.
Not even one of the 17 humans honored in this funeral were the victim of a late term abortion.
The whirl packs all had the names of the mother clearly written on them and we also retrieved unshredded patient documents which indicated that all of the aborted humans were between 4-10 weeks.
You can watch our video "Womans Choice Abortion Clinic Investigation" for details of the full investigation.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123
So "for the record" your assessment of the age of the humans is completely wrong.
Why would you post an erroneous speculation? I mean we posted the full investigation here on youtube a month earlier.
You can see the hands and feet for yourself. You can see the abortionist's own writing on how old they were.
Before you even commented on this video we had already "explained to the world" how we obtained the humans that we are burying here.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123
But I think your comment highlights the fact that the abortion industry wants to keep women ignorant about the biological facts of abortion and what human looks like when he/she is removed from the uterus.
So as the science of fetology, ultrasound technology, and endoscopic video are advanced, the world becomes less and less ignorant of the fact that abortion is a disordered act that can no longer be defended by law.
prolifesocietyvideo 4 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo You're WRONG. No amount of fetology can accelerate the development of the lungs so they can function before 20 weeks. What a fetus "looks" like is irrelevant to whether it has the capacity for life outside the womb, and only a childish and ignorant mind would rely on fingers and toes to be convinced that's all one needs to be a person.
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
You're playing the storyteller again.
I have always stated that conception is the beginning of a new human and that is a biological fact.
A sperm is not a human. It is a haploid. An egg is not a human, it also only has 23 chromosomes.
At conception you have a new 46 chromosome human. The multiplication of cells and structures does not grant humanity where biology is concerned. You began at conception.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo "You're playing the storyteller again ." Yeah, you say that whenever I post biological facts which refute YOUR fairy tale story of a ball of undifferentiated cells is a "human being" with full human rights. My source? Science. Your source? A bunch of "celibate" old men and women whose religion tells them women only exist to gestate and produce men's offspring. Twins don't exist at conception, so clearly not all people begin at that point, story-teller.
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
A premature human in an incubator is just as much human as one that is only 2 weeks conceived; as only one second conceived; as only 5 years old; as only 5 minutes from death.
This is a biological fact. At conception we have a new unique member of the human species.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
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@prolifesocietyvideo "A premature human in an incubator is just as much human as one that is only 2 weeks conceived; as only one second conceived; as only 5 years old; as only 5 minutes from death." What a great fiction STORY! "At conception we have a new unique member of the human species." "WE?" Who's this "we?" You think it's YOUR business when a stranger gets pregnant? And what happens to that unique person when the egg splits into twins? C'mon, tell us a STORY!
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
So for you, is it form of dependence which grants humanity?
Sorry but a newly born human doesn't nourish itself. Some other human has to feed it or else it will die. And that stage of development lasts several years after birth.
Sorry, Humanity is a biological fact not an arbitrary opinion.
When gametes fuse you have a new human.
prolifesocietyvideo 3 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo "So for you, is it form of dependence which grants humanity?" No clue what that means, so I'd have to say NO, it's not that way for me, whatever you were trying to convey. None of this is about ME or MY feelings or beliefs, but about a woman's human right to control her own body. YOUR need is to control women and keep them pregnant like brood mares. The more you scream about HUMANS, the less you treat women like humans. It's despicable.
ivyshoots 3 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
You are objectively mistaken.
I keep talking about biological facts and you keep trying to talk about YOUR philosophy.
Sorry but if your philosophy isn't grounded in biological facts then it is bad philosophy.
Now when someone says that a human has rights from the moment of conception, this is a statement grounded in the fact that at conception there is no longer 1 human but 2 humans involved. To pursue abortion means that one human can end another human through pure desire.
prolifesocietyvideo 2 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo If a person with full rights exists at conception, you should have no problem with it being removed from another person's uterus, right? Surely the woman has the SAME rights as all other humans, which includes not having other people invade your body against your wishes, correct? Isn't that what rape is? We don't force people to shelter the homeless, even when they'll freeze to death outside, so why is this different? She has rights, yes?
ivyshoots 2 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
When humans start magically jumping into a woman's uterus, then she can have the right to remove the intruder but that's not how REAL BIOLOGY WORKS and you know it.
Your comments exhibit that you refuse to accept the real dynamics of your body and that you want to perpetuate a regime of ignorance among woman about how their body really works so that you can justify your pro-abortion world view to yourself.
Your philosophy is not compatible with real biology.
prolifesocietyvideo 6 days ago
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@prolifesocietyvideo You wrote "When humans start magically jumping into a woman's uterus, then she can have the right" "Then she can have the right" is a clear expression that you believe YOU have authority over HER rights. On what grounds do you claim that YOU get to dictate what "rights" a complete stranger can or cannot have? Octomom went against her dynamics, and I find human "litters" immoral, but I don't presume to have the right to make in vitro illegal.
ivyshoots 6 days ago
@ivyshoots
You are also at war with the fact that this video reveals a dumpster full of humans. A dumpster full of humans is the reality of abortion.
Pregnant women are not slaves, they are mothers. Sex objects are the real slaves. People who engage in sex while pretending that there is no responsibility connected with that act are the ones who are turning women into objects, into slaves.
prolifesocietyvideo 6 days ago
@ivyshoots
You are trying to justify disordered desires. Disordered because you can not ground them in biology. Coitus promotes the mixing of gametes. 23 chromosomes from the woman and 23 from the man. When those gametes join there is a new 46 chromosome human. Women do not get pregnant by mistake. It is a REAL BIOLOGICAL PROCESS that is preceded by an act of the intellect.
NO ACT NO PREGNANCY. And even willing the act doesn't make it so because you have to engage coitus when a woman is fertile.
prolifesocietyvideo 2 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo Your objectification of women is disgusting. Prochoice is always called "NAZIS" by ppl like you, but the only Nazi sentiment is the one reducing women to breeding animals with no right to decide what happens to their own bodies. A woman is just a "biological" incubator for a man's heir? "Women do not get pregnant by mistake?" In the real world they do all the time. They also can die from pregnancy, or the fetus can have no brain, great reasons to abort.
ivyshoots 2 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
Only an ignorant person would call women breeding animals.
Only an ignorant person would accuse the pro-life movement of viewing women as breeding animals.
You are really groping to justify your world view to yourself now.
Nobody can reason with you if you insist on being at war with the natural dynamics of your body. You will accept nothing but affirmation, but rational people can not affirm disordered behavior which is at war with biological reality.
prolifesocietyvideo 6 days ago
@prolifesocietyvideo "Only an ignorant person would call women breeding animals." Agreed. And only an ignorant person would REGARD women as breeding animals, which is what all your "accept the natural dynamics of your body" BS amounts to. "Accept" it? Or be forced by law to comply anyway? That's even WORSE than treating her like an animal, telling a woman she must die of preeclampsia because that's the natural dynamic of her body. Stop attacking me for defending women.
ivyshoots 6 days ago
@ivyshoots
Do you even know what preeclampsia is and what the actual medical treatment for it is?
I know many women who have had preeclampsia during pregnancy. I know of no women who have died fro preeclampsia. Not saying there aren't any but I am saying that abortion causes more women to die of preeclampsia because it causes fewer instances of advancing REAL TREATMENT for the condition.
Abortion is not health care. Face the Truth.
prolifesocietyvideo 6 days ago
@ivyshoots
That's pretty biologically ignorant, believing that the only treatment for preeclampsia is abortion.
There are blood pressure medications which do not complicate fetal development.
There's bed rest.
There's early induction.
You don't have to exterminate another human in order to promote the health of the body.
Where do you get off speaking for women who have had preeclampsia?
prolifesocietyvideo 6 days ago
@prolifesocietyvideo "There's early induction." Indeed, but before viability, it kills the fetus, correct? I failed to distinguish between manageable preeclampsia and advanced, or eclampsia itself, which REQUIRES ending the pregnancy one way or another, or the patient DIES. Where do you get "speaking for women" from that? If a woman chooses to die rather than be treated, I can't stop her. Nor would I stop her from choosing to live. You blame me for your own arrogance.
ivyshoots 5 days ago
@prolifesocietyvideo "the only treatment for preeclampsia is abortion." I never said it was the ONLY treatment, but it hints that you know it IS sometimes necessary. You just distort everything I say. My point was that your flat denial of her RIGHT to abort her fetus because it's not "natural" or "intended" would kill a woman in the throes of eclampsia. Rather than say, "No I am for abortion in her case, at least," you lie, "I know of no women who have died from preeclampsia." Shameful.
ivyshoots 5 days ago
@ivyshoots I think ProlifeSociety's point was that specifically BECAUSE there are plenty of other options for a woman with Preeclampsia, there is no medical need for abortion. Yes, early induction would require the baby to be viable, but you also have to acknowledge that there are medications to help support the pregnancy to that point. If a woman has extreme eclampsia before viability is reached, it would most likely result in a miscarriage (unfortunate, but true).
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 "If a woman has extreme eclampsia before viability is reached, it would most likely result in a miscarriage " Miscarriage or not, it would DEFINITELY result in her convulsing and bleeding to death, but you'd want the doctor to do nothing? How unfortunate, she didn't live long enough to support the fetus to viability. Unfortunate she'll never have the chance to try again. Unfortunate her born children are now motherless. But you got to decide that for her
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots No one ever said that because abortion was a bad option, that no medical intervention whatsoever was allowed. Don't put words into my mouth. I realize this sounds awful, but women have been miscarrying for almost as long as they've been having children, and it doesn't always result in the death of the mother, especially while in a fully equipped medical facility. Once again, trying to deliver a baby, but being unsuccessful, is very different from killing a baby and THEN extracting it.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@ivyshoots
Abortion doesn't treat preeclampsia or eclampsia.
How about you cite an actual medical case because the OBs I'v spoken with say there is no instance where there has been a medical necessity for an abortion.
So we can debate cases that exist in your own head but that's not very fruitful now is it?
prolifesocietyvideo 4 days ago
@prolifesocietyvideo The OBs I've spoken with say eclampsia, uncontrolled diabetes, heart failure, labile blood pressure, and serious kidney disease can all sometimes require termination to save the patient. I can only say, if I were a woman with any of these conditions, I seriously hope I wouldn't be treated by the sort of OBs you pal around with, but by one who puts MY life and health before that of my fetus.
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots There are steps that can be taken in the case of an emergency to save a mothers life without deliberately endangering that of the child. I would also hope that if a woman knows there is a high likelihood of complications in the case of pregnancy, that she would take steps NOT to get pregnant- i.e. abstain when there is a risk. It strikes me as reckless and selfish to treat a baby as disposable when a little responsibility could avoided the whole situation.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 It would be nice if what you said was true, that there's NEVER a need to terminate a pregnancy to save the woman, but there sometimes is. The ONLY treatment for eclampsia is immediate delivery; when it strikes before viability, there is no hope for the fetus, because the mother WILL die w/o removal of the fetus, so either way, the fetus dies. You prefer to imagine that bad things never happen and we can magically "know" when the might, that's not reality.
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots I am not ignorant, willfully or otherwise. The fact is, that while early induction can be a risk for the baby (risks which decrease with every medical advancement), abortion is a deliberate act meant to kill the baby. According to my own OB (I had preecclampsia once, too) a woman's body will often of its own accord go into preterm labor, and it can result in fetal distress and ultimately the death of the newborn. This is an unfortunate side effect, but one that is not wished for.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 I notice every thing is all about you, you, you. As if you can't imagine life being any different for anybody than it is for you. You suggested women can "know" beforehand when a pregnancy will have problems, and avoid getting pregnant with that one! Nice trick; I've never heard of anyone actually DOING it, yet you call them irresponsible, reckless, and selfish. That's pretty ignorant.
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots Have you ever had your medical history taken? Has your OB asked your weight or age? Asked about issues with stress or depression? Allergies? Have they taken your blood pressure and other stats on routine office visits? All of this is done with the expectation that they can help you prepare for the possible issues you could face in any medical situation.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@ivyshoots Yes, unforeseen problems can happen, but it still seems selfish, in the face of warning signs, to say "Yes, I'll take the risk," and then change your mind and abort your baby. I'm not trying to make this about me, and please know that I have the utmost sympathy for women who find themselves in difficult situations (especially unexpected ones). But I don't think pushing them toward abortions will ultimately help them physically, spiritually, or emotionally.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 No, you do NOT have "the utmost sympathy" for someone when you call them selfish for living their lives according to THEIR best interests, beliefs, values, and goals, rather than yours.
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots I'm sorry, can you not sympathize with someone and still disagree with their solutions at the same time? If a friend comes to you with a problem, what is your response? Do you never offer sincere advise along with your commiseration? Do you never offer to help? Have you ever had to offer consolation to a woman who is emotionally devastated after pursuing her abortion?
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@ivyshoots My husband and I practice NFP; I am NOT a breeding machine. On the contrary, I have 3 WONDERFUL children, and a husband who is completely committed to keeping us happy and healthy. He does not see me as a breeding machine, but rather treats me as something other than just a convenience for getting his rocks off. I KNOW I am not being used for sex, because we have a relationship that can withstand occasional abstinence. I hope anger doesn't keep you from understanding that.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 You completely misunderstood my comments, obviously because the dishonest uploader keeps "responding" to me by lying and distorting everything I say. I said, anyone who seeks to deny a woman her right to decide FOR HERSELF whether to continue or terminate her pregnancy is treating her like a breeding animal, and that denying, limiting, impeding, or interfering with her medical treatment options is treating her even worse than an animal.
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots In what way does this treat her as a breeding machine or worse than an animal? I think you've made the assumption that the people making the decisions would prefer to kill the woman to save the baby and this is definitely not the case. All of the research I've done has suggested that it is very possible to seek the mother's health while doing one's best to ensure the baby has at least a chance at survival.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 The breeder comment was in response to the uploader saying that since a woman has a uterus, her "purpose" is for fetuses grow in it whether she wants them to or not. That's completely dehumanizing to the woman. I know your immediate response is to think "But what about the fetus? It's ALIVE!" but for once, I'd like you to just face the fact that you CAN'T protect the fetus from its own mother unless you dehumanize her and deny her dominion over her own body.
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots I've been looking, and I haven't found any spots where ProlifeSociety says "whether she wants them to or not." We DO generally have a choice in whether or not we have sex, yes? (Ignore the question of rape, for now- we have up until now been speaking of women having consensual sex). Is there another use for a uterus that I'm not aware of?
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 No, dear, "we" HAVEN'T been speaking of women having consensual sex -- YOU have. I said that was inappropriate and irrelevant, but you just can't get sex off your mind. I guess it's "abstinence" time right now, huh? ; ) See, I don't talk about strangers' sex lives because they're none of my business. What "use" a stanger's uterus is to her is NONE OF MY BUSINESS, unless I think it belongs to society and not her, but that would be DEHUMANIZING.
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots I don't know why you're so upset about my using the word "sex." It's pretty commonly understood that sex and the reproductive system go together. I'd also like to point out that YOU'RE the one making assumptions about my sex life- and also making the assumption that my responses are purely hormonal. So are we to assert that the figurative "woman with severe preecclampsia" was also raped and was probably kicked out of the house by her fundamentalist domineering father?
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 Okay, we're done here. I'm not upset, I made no assumptions about your sex life beyond what you revealed, you pretended a joke was a serious statement, and, congrats, you played both the partisan politics card AND the persecuted Christian card in an underhanded way. It would have been simpler to say, "I can't deny how dehumanizing it is to claim control over a total stranger's uterus." But you chose dishonesty instead. Stay marvelous!
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots You seem pretty upset for somebody who isn't upset- sorry I misunderstood your "joke", but I hope you can understand my confusion since it came sandwiched between criticisms. How was I dishonest? When did I ever claim control over a stranger's uterus? Do you think I walk up to people on the street, proclaim them to be pregnant, and it happens? I've said it several times, THEY choose whether or not to use what their body is made for. Sorry you can't seem to get beyond that.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@ivyshoots It's fine if you want to end the discussion, and I hope that you do, as you said, live your life according to your beliefs and values; I was simply trying to help educate, not to condemn or control.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@ivyshoots This is not about trying to control what "use" a stranger's uterus is to her. I don't control other people's choices. Have you taken a biology class? Every textbook pretty much says the same thing about the uterus- it serves a specific purpose in the body, whether or not you choose to use it. It is FACT that the uterus is part of the reproductive system and is designed to conceive and carry a baby through the period of gestation. I didn't make it that way, it's just how it is.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@ivyshoots It seems to me that it is MORE dehumanizing for a man to expect the use of a woman's body for pleasure without the commitment or responsibility that comes with being willing to raise a family with her. It is more dehumanizing to reject completely the amazing capabilities of the human body. It is damaging to her emotions and psyche to be intimate with a person who does not love her enough to say "Yes, I'd like another one of YOU in the world."
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 This isn't a dehumanizing contest, let's see who wins. You don't get excused for YOUR dehumanizing treatment by pointing to someone who is worse. I hope you don't let your kids get away with that, yet you use it yourself? You seem terribly self-centered: calling yourself "marvelous," scolding anyone who isn't just like you and your hubby, populating the lucky world with as many new "YOUs" as possible. Forgive me for not saying "thanks."
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots In what way was I dehumanizing anyone? Am I not supposed to call upon my own experience, both good and bad? Have I ever stopped you from speaking about your own experience? I recall asking you several questions, but getting no answers. I have never claimed to be perfect, and you have assigned both arrogance and ignorance to me as a way of ignoring the truth that I've spoken. Tell me what I've said that's wrong or untrue, and I will do my best to answer you reasonably.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@ivyshoots I never said anyone had to be exactly like me; at the most, all I've said is that I try to have a good relationship with my husband, and I don't think I should be condemned for that. You don't have to devote all of your time to remaining "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" and I've never said that if you're not married and popping out babies you're doing something wrong. I'm just trying to live in the best way I can and to encourage others to do the same for themselves.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@MarvelousMom2 Frankly, I find your sharing the details of your sex life inappropriate and irrelevant. You really do put yourself at the center of this issue for some reason, as if you're this fantastic role model which ALL women, regardless of the circumstances and challenges in THEIR lives, can and should emulate. I completely respect your choices and am glad you're happy, but you're wrong to misjudge and dictate to people you know nothing about. You do not have that right.
ivyshoots 4 days ago
@ivyshoots Did I say everyone should be just like me? Funny, I don't recall saying that. I'm not stupid and I realize that everyone has challenges and difficulties; I also know that some women don't have the support that I do. This does not change the fact that A) sex makes babies, and B) our society has encouraged abortion and birth control with little to no concern for the side effects that THESE can have on the rest of their lives.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@ivyshoots Is my SN turning you off? I was just looking at it, and from a certain perspective I guess it can seem kind of arrogant- but it was never intended in a showing-off kind of way. Actually, my hubby chose it for me as a sort of encouragement on one of my off days (and yes, we all have them). So it was meant just as a nice moment between the two of us, not as a reflection on how I view other moms or women in general.
MarvelousMom2 4 days ago
@ivyshoots
How absolutely selfish and brainwashed do you have to be to insist that you can engage in coitus without the biological FACTS taking place?
Abortion is selfish and biologically ignorant. Abortion is the result of ignorance and an abnormally robust sex life.
This is why the pro-life movement is made up of a majority of women. Because fertility and motherhood are the most feminine dimensions of a woman, not promiscuous sex or pornography. There is nothing less feminine than secularism.
prolifesocietyvideo 2 weeks ago
@prolifesocietyvideo Wherever women are free to exercise control over their own bodies, including the decision NOT to have sex unless they want it, and may own property, there is significantly less poverty, lower child mortality and illness. Subjugation of women is the result of ignorance and adherence to the sexist teachings of St Paul. Your focus on porn tells much about YOU and your privileged ignorance of the lives of most women.
ivyshoots 2 weeks ago
@ivyshoots
Your world view promotes an ignorant view of sex.
Coitus has a very specific biological aim. Your body understands this even if your brain will not accept it. But hey, that's the dynamic of free will, we can choose to ignore biological reality.
Human bodies produce gametes that are specifically designed to join heterosexually. The female body has an organ (uterus) which is designed to nourish a human for 9 months.
prolifesocietyvideo 6 days ago
@ivyshoots
Abortion is an act that is at war with the female body and the newly conceived human.
A woman does not have a so called right to an abortion.
You have to ignore so many biological facts about human reproductive organs and the beginning of human life in order to pretend that abortion is a right.
No rational human can affirm a behavior that is so gravely at war with nature. Abortion clearly should not be legal.
prolifesocietyvideo 6 days ago
Frank is a sicko I want to see you in that casket Frank!
TheMrgoku1985 6 months ago
FRANKif i see you in person I will beat your ass, and if you go any where near my baby nephew I will cut off your virgin balls and shove them down your throat!
TheMrgoku1985 6 months ago
YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK!
iF i EVER SEE ANY OF THESE GUYS IN MY NABURHOOD I WILL BEAT THERE ASS!
TheMrgoku1985 6 months ago
Thank you for this video. My husband and I were there for the funeral & burial of these Holy Innocents. It was indeed a moving and profoundly touching & holy experience. Let us continue to work to bring the evil action of abortion to an end. For 38 & 1/2 years our nation has been wondering in the dessert. It is time to get out. Let us pray for the Holy Innocents and all victims of abortion, which includes millions of Moms, Dads, Grandparents & Siblings. God bless & heal the USA & the world.
sandieweathers 7 months ago
@sandieweathers AMEN!!
lisamitchellable 6 months ago
@sandieweathers Over 70% of fertilized eggs naturally fail to grow to term; most fail to implant or are blighted and spontaneously abort by 12 weeks. Where are the funerals for all of them? Why do they count less as "precious" and "holy" in your eyes? If sacred life exists at conception, then EVERY fertilized egg lost = the death of a full-grown, living child! Why aren't you lobbying for medical research to alleviate this epidemic, which is killing the vast majority of innocent children???
ivyshoots 6 months ago
Thank you for giving dignity to the lives of these innocent unborn children. But we must remember that many of their mothers were likely coerced or forced to abort. Pro-lifers, learn the TRUTH about Abortion & Choice. Most abortions are unwanted or coerced. Many are forced. Learn what you can do about it. Go to theunchoice(dot)com & clinicquotes(dot)com.
n4kma 7 months ago 2
Thank you very much for standing up for the dignity of these precious unborn children!
XploitedbyAbortion 11 months ago
Very nice video. I hate when these scumbags murder these kids.
ColoradoKing26 11 months ago
So heartbreaking.
God have mercy on those who condemned these innocent unborn to death.
KnightOwl2006 11 months ago
There has always been a class of human being that was disposable for the convenience of the ruling class. Nowdays it is the unborn. May God forgive us.
MageScribe 1 year ago 2
Poor babies it makes me sick to know there r ppl out there who would hurt them. This does make me feel good tho to know there are still ppl who r against the murder of innocent defensless babies
MrOGJMoney 1 year ago 2
THANK YOU! MAYBE THIS WILL OPEN THE EYES OF OTHERS.
Anointed1Appointed1 1 year ago
Beautiful video! Thank you so much for posting! Bishop Boyea had a wonderful sermon. :)
ookie40blue 1 year ago
What u mad thought?
ol1veriscool 1 year ago