@dziobek1234 Z dwoch powodow: po 1. trudno jest walczyc uzywajac energicznych i mocnych ruchow, bo ryzyko kontuzji jest dosyc duze. Zbroja nie zawsze dostatecznie chroni. Jesli chodzi o bardziej energiczna i szybsza walke polecam japonska szermierke kendo w zbrojach. Po 2. - wiekszosc walk na filmach jest wymyslem scenarzystow, wszelkiego typu piruety itp. w prawdziwej walce po prostu bylyby nieoplacalne. Polecam obejrzenie "Dawne Europejskie Sztuki Walki - Utracone Dziedzictwo" na YT
@Kunstdesfechtens No. The point of a sword is to kill. If you learn swordfighting, that is the one thing to never forget. It can be used to be weaker people on equal ground. But it is made to kill. You are learning how to kill.
This looks cool with wooden swords but when you pick a real one it's totaly different and you need a lot of muscle to swing a real sword fast and this guys should stick to tennis or jerking off then trying to fight ....
@Hateyaall Swordsmanship is not about strength. It's important not to "muscle" the cut, but to use proper technique. The whole point of a sword is to allow people who aren't so strong to be on near equal footing with those who are.
@toothANDclaw13 the lenght of this swords suggest that they are heavy specimens so a sword like this should weight a little bit more then 2 kg (about 5 lbs)
@Hateyaall Try 2-3 lbs. Unless specifically weighted for resistance training, a sword of that size would normally not exceed that. Surprising, isn't it?
It's sword fighting. But I agree that the trows looks similar. Which isn't surpricing as the human body looks the same all over the world so the principles of how to easy throw someone to the ground is also the same.
@MatheusRebelo Grappling and swordsmanship are interconnected. Historically, it was said that "all fencing comes from wrestling". The foundational skill for swordsmanship is grappling, as counterintuitve as that sounds.
Sure, if they stick to demonstration speed and you're not, your samuri style (sic?) would probably help you win the fight. If they decide to go full speed I don't know if your samuri style (sic?) would help you, it depends on how good you are with it.
@gurkfisk89 shouldve been a little more spacific i use kenpo and this style just didnt really look that impresive maybe cause u were just practicing idk
Niektóre z pokazanych technik przypominają nieco te występujące z Aikido np. technika z 1,10 przypomina nieco Ikkyo. Ogólnie fajny filmik, techniki ciekawe, choć zbyt szybkie na naukę, a za wolne na pokaz. Ostatecznie daję plusa.
@Sit2Avenger Jeśli twoje oko nie wyłapuje takich ruchów to kiepsko. Jeśli dla kogoś innego za szybko to niech zapomni o jakiej kolwiek walce czym kolwiek i niech idzie na pole ziemniaki kopać. Dość ciężko nie wytworzyć podobnych technik używając rąk i podłużnego przedmiotu w nich zawartych, nie ważne w jakiej części globu.
10 kilowe miecze ... fajnie, a był w tej bajce skurwol ?
Toż półtorak waży przeciętnie 1,6 kg, miecze treningowe drewniane, są często robione by długością i wagą odpowiadały standardom półtoraka.
Techniki prezetenowane tutaj, to jest Blossfechten ( walka bez pancerza) rządzi się innymi troszke prawami i zasadami a także inne są źródła na których się bazuje.
A panom "rycerzom" opowiadajacym bajki o mieczach polecam trening oraz sieganie po zrodla, a nie sianie niewiedzy i zgrywanie ekspertow.
Powinni walczyć szybciej, efektowniej i bardziej improwizując. Ja raczej więcej się dowiem z filmiku, który nie będzie ustawiany, bo będą w nim pokazane najskuteczniejsze chwyty.
5 lat odtwarzam walki z Star Wars, może i coś na tym filmiku jest, ale ani to szybkie ani widowiskowe no fakt może skuteczne są te niektóre ataki, ale marnie.
tak prawda, ze w pełnym uzbrojeniu byłoby ciężko. po za tym jeśli dobrze widzę to są drewniane miecze(lekkie). ciekawe czy tak samo by machali z mieczem ważącym 10 kg.
Panowie i Panie, gdzie w Polsce można sie nauczyć takiej walki?? Marzę by zacząć sie czegoś takiego uczyc ale nie wiem gdzie :((( Jeżeli ktoś wie gdzie i moze mi pomóc, prosze napiszcie do mnie.
Fajnie to wygląda, efektownie, ale w prawdziwej "walce" gdzie przeciwnicy się poruszają a nie stoja jak kłody czekając na to, co zrobi drugi, żadna z tych technik nie jest wykonalna bez jakiegoś absurdalnego fuksa.
@lehaer nie do końca tak jak mówisz. jeżeli wszystko dobrze i szybko zrobisz, przeciwnik nie zdąży zareagować. walka na długi miecz opiera się własnie na szybkość. zresztą te chwyty nie z palca wyssane tylko z sredniowiecznych traktatów, a więc to działało w czasach kiedy od władania sztuką miecza załeżało twoje życie.
no sorry but if u really know what ur doing u know that this wouldent work in a real fight i know what im talking about i see it in all forms of fixed positioin real combat is fast and aratik with ppower behind every move including simpliy pulling away ur arm or somthingu cant jsut grab someones arm and do what u whant with it they will jerk it back and thrust from side to side to get free of ur hold people dont just stand thier
@madblackadder ty pewnie jak prawdziwy kozak(dres) wolisz sluchac jakiegos elektronicznego gowna typu discopolo czy muzyki jakiego dj co przez 3 minuty puszcza to samo
@Kunstdesfechtens One of the funniest things I've ever read was in the Codex Wallerstein. There was some move where the translation said "Then cut your opponent in the testicles. That is a good trick..."
Actually halfswording (grabbiing the blade) is a pretty widely understood technique of western swordsmanship. This is done because in actual combat you should be wearing hard leather gloves or better.
This is a longsword and it is sharp on both sides of de blade. A gauntlet is not made of metal on the inside it is just of leather, so the blade of the sword will just cut through.
Also in close combat the Thallhofer aso. technics work very well. If it gets to close you use your special disc dagger.
I do a lot of unarmed knife defence and I can tell you that you can grab a knife with out a glove(( IF)) and it is a big ((IF)) the blade does not slide
Just think about when you wash the cutlery in the sink and you are grabbing knifes in the soapy water
Iam not saying in my knife defence practice I try to grab the blade but it is possible but these soldier wore thick glove that they knew they could repair
Sure if you had a dagger and time to grab it sure that would be an option
With a knife I agree, when just one side of the blade is sharp, wihich is usually the case. But have a look to modern self-defense, all doing it without holding the knife it self, because it is far to dangerous.
You just need to apply the pressure against the flats of the blade, rather than the edges, when you're grabbing the blade, this way you can hold even razor sharp blades without gloves. Grabbing the dagger blade is also common (whether it's a round bladed rondel or double-sides dagger). I'm not really familiar with German dagger techniques, but I learn one nice disarm that involves taking your dagger by the blade.
Let us also remember very skilled sword masters could easily bind your sword up and you would have less then a secound to think clearly I am sure in that case you would worry about the palm of your hand
But of course if you were a warrior at the time you should have a think pair of gloves on
and let us remember you can't just smash your way throu plate mail
personally half swording for me would be a last resort
But they are worth learning especially if there are historic tec..
You won't cut your hand. Watch "sword tug-of-war" here on youtube to see me pull my teacher around while he holds the blade of one of my sharp swords. Swords don't cut without drawing or impact. Half-swording invloves neither, so you will not get cut.
It's Albion Earl and it's SHARP. Sharp enough that I've cut myself cleaning it, much to my chagrin. The edge is historical, so more than sharp enough to slice unprotected skin if it draws. It's sharp enough that half-swording is possible, but not pleasant. Medieval swords were sharpened as their owners saw fit. Vadi said the last 6 inches or so near the tip should be the sharpest, IIRC. Basically, keep the blade just dull enough to half-sword with. ;)
sometimes wood can be more dangerous than steel, ie with stabs and trusts, metal sword will bend a bit, wood dosen't, also wood can break into sharp pieces... but wood is practical to learn techniques on slow motion, doing displays or playing alone
A lot of Samurai preferred a wooden stick for dueling instead of using a sword. Sticks are pretty deadly. Early German tribes used sticks to fight the Romans. There are accounts of them breaking roman shields with wooden clubs.
At 0:08 and 1:04, I realy doubt you would be able to grab a sword out of someones hand by the blade, espicially if that someone was pumped with adreniline and trying to kill.
the training hall lacks the desire to separate life from the body. hence "training" and "practice". what is executed as a "grab" in training will most likely become a slap or trap in a practical duel. i'm just glad to see people using period techniques over "movie theatre-fu".
Actually, that technique is described in multiple sources. You can certainly grab a sharp blade, but you must be FAST. Meyer (1570) actually stresses that point. You might get cut superficially, but so what. There are a couple of demonstrations of grabbing live blades on youtube. Look up "sword tug of war" (featuring my teacher and yours truly) and Hammaborg's "hammaborg entwaffnung mit einem scharfen schwert". Enjoy!
Nope, the manuals clearly show this being done without hand protection or any other type of armour. Sword blades may be safely grabbed if you know what you're doing. You must put pressure on the flat, and don't let it slip.
It's good to see the skills and techniques growing and being kept alive. I used to train with a guy that made armour, metal swords and heavy poles. We knew a few techniques and kept practising. We had a few mock battles, and it was interesting. If you could grab the enemies sword or spear, your man with a spear could easily get him. It's hard to slide up a trapped pole and strike with sword unless you have coverage on that side though.
More effective? Hardly. In fact, you'll find many similarities in German and Japanese sword techniques. Looking good doesn't equal effectiveness. Grabbing a live blade is fine if done correctly, pressuring the flats of the blade. Look at "sword tug of war" here on youtube to see it done.
It's a well practived technique used for getting into the gaps in armour, known as 'half-swording' An edge is only dangerous if too much pressure is applied to it.
While you say Japanese arts look more effective, remember that each art was developed in responce to the weapons and armoru in use in the area and time, JSA may look more effective in Japan, but WMA will be more so in western countries.
I'm not an expert, but no it was quite common to grab the other guy's sword. It was also normal to grab your own blade (half swording). The blades were usually dull closer to the hilt.
Very much so, its very hard to find a good vid of such a widely applicable sword style, being long straight rod-like weapons are far more likely to be found than curved, lightweight, elegant, broken barstool legs, if you get my meaning. or pool cues, better yet. and if it was a fight, they'd have to slow it down for the majority of people to see what was happening and appreciate it.
In combat situation [real] you don't use them because there is no time. Ofc it's only my view and I'm not a specialist here. I have some experience with swords [especially with bokkens and sabres] and well... there's only a little chance that you will spotten the good situation to make something impressive. Most of fights is just a cutting, stabing and kicking competition [biting sometimes ;D].
Do you mean why do we not see them so much in sparring clips? Or that we don't see them in demos? Keep in mind that modern swordsmen are dilletantes, so it takes a lot of work to make this happen in freeplay. Unlike a knight, we're not able to train in swordsmanship as a nearly full-time job from the age of eight years old. :) So yes, these were used in combat. We are no longer the MARTIAL culture we once were.
I'd say in a combat situation, the likeliness of a swordsman using these techniques depends on his fighting experience. you get much better by training daily in a "real" fight than by just learning drill techniques, because you get used to the speed and to reacting quickly. If you train those techniques in a combat situation, you could be able to use them. it depends of the fighter from there on
The fecthbuchs practically covered everything that could happen in a swordfight, and gave counters to those situations. Things like crossing at the tip, middle of the blade, base (Yes, even that counts), whether your opponent decides to try to blow through or grapple, etc. The masters covered everything. In real combat, those things in the plays happen, just in different combinations.
So yes, they were used in a real combat situation. It's just less obvious, but they're all there.
Because if the blade stands still it won't cut you, so you can even grab a sharp edge. Fending was done in gloves, so even strong grip won't result in an injury.
specialy when hilts were made of pure metal with no other lacing than metal wire. gloves were more than necessary, and with gloves sturdy enough to withstand training regularly with a metal hilted sword, you could catch the blade without risking a cut. unless if the other fighter is actualy hitting you in the hand....
You don't need any kind of glove to handle a sword. It doesn't mean what kind of hilt it has, you can hold a wire hilted sword without any problem. You can even grip the balde, the weren't so sharp.
The surviving manuscripts show longsword fencers half-swording WITHOUT gloves. Look on youtube for "sword tug of war" to see me pull my teacher around while he hangs onto the blade of my Albion Earl, which is SHARP. :)
te chwytani moze nie sa najlepsze...podczas przechwytywania można starcic paluchy( kto pozwoli aby mu zabrac miecz z reki bez walki?) niemniej jednak bardzofajny film i mozna z niego wysnuć bardzo fajne i przydatne wnioski a niektóre z technik zastosować^^ 5 GWIAZDECZEK^^
Osobiscie wole renesansowe formy i sekwencje traktatowe, w ktorych dominuje walka sama glownia, a nie element zapasow, Oczywiscie fechtunek mieczem poltorarecznym mozna prezentowac wykonujac sekwencjei formy w zainscenizowanym ukladzie, Ze wzgledu na wage broni jakikolwiek swobodny, a wiec max zblizony do prawdziwego pojedynek jest niemozliwy, Pojedynki fechtunkowe mozna toczyc jedynie przy pomocy rapiera czy szpady gdzie odpowiednie oslony zapewniaja max ochrone, Celuje w tym warszawska Lorika
To nie ja występuje na filmiku, ja tylko go zmontowałem. Powiem ci z własnego doświadczenia, na treningach używam drewnianych mieczy. To nie badyl tylko miecz z drewna (do treningu). Wiesz, żeby kogoś nie zabić, kiedy akurat nie mamy sprzętu ochronnego. pzdr
Awesome! This is the original version. Someone else has stolen this video and posted it on youtube. I will remove thiers from my favorites and gladly add this one in its place!
interesauje mnie jedno , pokazujecie wytrzepane techniki ktore spawdzaja sie w bliskim dystansie
ale zakladajac ze przeciwnik nie pracuje nogami nie cofa sie i nie ucieka po nieudanej akcji , a co z przeciwnikami ktorzy nie atakuja tepo z Vom tagu tylko sa sztychowi i trzymaja dystans czekajac tylko na jakiekolwiek otwarcie / lub z postawie sztychowej proboja wystawic sie na jakis prosty cios stosujac od razu techniki wszelakie ?
interesauje mnie jedno , pokazujecie wytrzepane techniki ktore spawdzaja sie w bliskim dystansie
ale zakladajac ze przeciwnik nie pracuje nogami nie cofa sie i nie ucieka po nieudanej akcji , a co z przeciwnikami ktorzy nie atakuja tepo z Vom tagu tylko sa sztychowi i trzymaja dystans czekajac tylko na jakiekolwiek otwarcie / lub z postawie sztychowej proboja wystawic sie na jakis prosty cios stosujac od razu techniki wszelakie ?
NA sztychuącego są inne techniki. Durchveksheln, Zucken, lub włsokei Scambiar lub Rebatuda ;-) Ewentualnie jak za długo tzryma dystans i ucieka do tyłu to wystarczy serię strzałów typu Zwer lub Zorn wrzucić i albo dostanie albo bedzie musiał zmienić taktykę ;-)
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MrMinecraftdiamonds 3 months ago
whats the song
MrMinecraftdiamonds 3 months ago
so fucking gorgeous T_T greetings from mexico n__n
xXvanhukXx 3 months ago
@dziobek1234 Z dwoch powodow: po 1. trudno jest walczyc uzywajac energicznych i mocnych ruchow, bo ryzyko kontuzji jest dosyc duze. Zbroja nie zawsze dostatecznie chroni. Jesli chodzi o bardziej energiczna i szybsza walke polecam japonska szermierke kendo w zbrojach. Po 2. - wiekszosc walk na filmach jest wymyslem scenarzystow, wszelkiego typu piruety itp. w prawdziwej walce po prostu bylyby nieoplacalne. Polecam obejrzenie "Dawne Europejskie Sztuki Walki - Utracone Dziedzictwo" na YT
ShanghaiShadow 3 months ago
Не проще булавой врезать как следует???
a1ndz11 3 months ago
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a1ndz11 3 months ago
@Kunstdesfechtens No. The point of a sword is to kill. If you learn swordfighting, that is the one thing to never forget. It can be used to be weaker people on equal ground. But it is made to kill. You are learning how to kill.
Rilltheorem 4 months ago
ktoś został przeżuty?
mareksp92 4 months ago
poland is a heaven for historical martial arts. i ve been there, it was awesome. go there.
batulefou 5 months ago
nice throw at 1:18. similar to a silat throw. good technique!
jamiirali1 6 months ago
This looks cool with wooden swords but when you pick a real one it's totaly different and you need a lot of muscle to swing a real sword fast and this guys should stick to tennis or jerking off then trying to fight ....
Hateyaall 7 months ago
@Hateyaall Swordsmanship is not about strength. It's important not to "muscle" the cut, but to use proper technique. The whole point of a sword is to allow people who aren't so strong to be on near equal footing with those who are.
Kunstdesfechtens 7 months ago
@Hateyaall So tell me how much a real sword weighs...
toothANDclaw13 6 months ago
@toothANDclaw13 the lenght of this swords suggest that they are heavy specimens so a sword like this should weight a little bit more then 2 kg (about 5 lbs)
Hateyaall 6 months ago
@Hateyaall Try 2-3 lbs. Unless specifically weighted for resistance training, a sword of that size would normally not exceed that. Surprising, isn't it?
toothANDclaw13 6 months ago
@toothANDclaw13 This is for lighter and shorter type of blades
Hateyaall 6 months ago
are that shit sword fight or jiu jitsu?
stupid
MatheusRebelo 7 months ago
@MatheusRebelo
It's sword fighting. But I agree that the trows looks similar. Which isn't surpricing as the human body looks the same all over the world so the principles of how to easy throw someone to the ground is also the same.
gurkfisk89 7 months ago
@MatheusRebelo Grappling and swordsmanship are interconnected. Historically, it was said that "all fencing comes from wrestling". The foundational skill for swordsmanship is grappling, as counterintuitve as that sounds.
Kunstdesfechtens 7 months ago
Jak jest wszystko ustawione to łatwo takie triki robić. Ale w prawdziwej walce bez odpowiedniego doświadczenia to się na nic zdadzą.
Artblack1313 9 months ago
Sam filmik oczywiście fajny, dobrej jakości i ciekawy, ale "przeŻuty" i muzyka drażnią... :)
isnith 9 months ago
my samuri style would have u dropped in a second
theepicnoobz 10 months ago
@theepicnoobz
Sure, if they stick to demonstration speed and you're not, your samuri style (sic?) would probably help you win the fight. If they decide to go full speed I don't know if your samuri style (sic?) would help you, it depends on how good you are with it.
gurkfisk89 10 months ago 2
@gurkfisk89 shouldve been a little more spacific i use kenpo and this style just didnt really look that impresive maybe cause u were just practicing idk
theepicnoobz 9 months ago
@theepicnoobz
OK, if you want to see more impresive demonstrarions
Here is a technique demonstration with some speed:
watch?v=ln94E9AGYTc
And here are two videos with competitions and sparring:
watch?v=H7aXtzf7-Lk
watch?v=qthCkt6Jolk
I don't however say that you can't use kenpo or any other martial art to "win" over someone trained with the longsword.
Have a nice day.
gurkfisk89 9 months ago
Niektóre z pokazanych technik przypominają nieco te występujące z Aikido np. technika z 1,10 przypomina nieco Ikkyo. Ogólnie fajny filmik, techniki ciekawe, choć zbyt szybkie na naukę, a za wolne na pokaz. Ostatecznie daję plusa.
Sit2Avenger 11 months ago
@Sit2Avenger Jeśli twoje oko nie wyłapuje takich ruchów to kiepsko. Jeśli dla kogoś innego za szybko to niech zapomni o jakiej kolwiek walce czym kolwiek i niech idzie na pole ziemniaki kopać. Dość ciężko nie wytworzyć podobnych technik używając rąk i podłużnego przedmiotu w nich zawartych, nie ważne w jakiej części globu.
Liquidazot 9 months ago
te miecze nie są z drewna ?
Pawelllllo321 1 year ago
10 kilowe miecze ... fajnie, a był w tej bajce skurwol ?
Toż półtorak waży przeciętnie 1,6 kg, miecze treningowe drewniane, są często robione by długością i wagą odpowiadały standardom półtoraka.
Techniki prezetenowane tutaj, to jest Blossfechten ( walka bez pancerza) rządzi się innymi troszke prawami i zasadami a także inne są źródła na których się bazuje.
A panom "rycerzom" opowiadajacym bajki o mieczach polecam trening oraz sieganie po zrodla, a nie sianie niewiedzy i zgrywanie ekspertow.
Nizarmedia 1 year ago
Kurna co wy macie do muzyki?Nie słuchacie takiej to nie piszcie i nie zaśmiecajcie okna komentarzy. A co do technik,mi się bardzo przydały.:)
mordakosmosu 1 year ago
taaaa pzdr jak w walce takie cos uzyjesz to ci juz ujebią dawno ...
LesnyJebok 1 year ago
Powinni walczyć szybciej, efektowniej i bardziej improwizując. Ja raczej więcej się dowiem z filmiku, który nie będzie ustawiany, bo będą w nim pokazane najskuteczniejsze chwyty.
monopol0 1 year ago
5 lat odtwarzam walki z Star Wars, może i coś na tym filmiku jest, ale ani to szybkie ani widowiskowe no fakt może skuteczne są te niektóre ataki, ale marnie.
yoda11090 1 year ago
Przeżuty ???? a kto kogo przeżuł ??
Statek63 1 year ago
tak prawda, ze w pełnym uzbrojeniu byłoby ciężko. po za tym jeśli dobrze widzę to są drewniane miecze(lekkie). ciekawe czy tak samo by machali z mieczem ważącym 10 kg.
grychu12 1 year ago
@grychu12 mieczem ważącym 10 kg... Gdzie ty taki widziałeś?
mmcompany93 1 year ago
Panowie i Panie, gdzie w Polsce można sie nauczyć takiej walki?? Marzę by zacząć sie czegoś takiego uczyc ale nie wiem gdzie :((( Jeżeli ktoś wie gdzie i moze mi pomóc, prosze napiszcie do mnie.
Timcoleeee 1 year ago
Random music lol
mikeyab88 1 year ago
powodzenia jesli wykonacie ten sam uklad w kolczudze a co dopiero w plycie
a nutka serio spedalona
Cipkolizacz 1 year ago
Fajna walka... ale z napisami to chuba sobie jaja robicie ? Przecież on go nie PRZEŻUŁ tylko PRZERZUCIŁ ;-)
Statek63 1 year ago
Go arma! Arma owns all. Thank you for posting, there's a few new techniques in there I was unfamiliar with.
MegaGlueman 1 year ago
what the heck was that at the end?!
swordfreak16 1 year ago
Fajnie to wygląda, efektownie, ale w prawdziwej "walce" gdzie przeciwnicy się poruszają a nie stoja jak kłody czekając na to, co zrobi drugi, żadna z tych technik nie jest wykonalna bez jakiegoś absurdalnego fuksa.
lehaer 1 year ago
@lehaer nie do końca tak jak mówisz. jeżeli wszystko dobrze i szybko zrobisz, przeciwnik nie zdąży zareagować. walka na długi miecz opiera się własnie na szybkość. zresztą te chwyty nie z palca wyssane tylko z sredniowiecznych traktatów, a więc to działało w czasach kiedy od władania sztuką miecza załeżało twoje życie.
B0gun 1 year ago
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no sorry but if u really know what ur doing u know that this wouldent work in a real fight i know what im talking about i see it in all forms of fixed positioin real combat is fast and aratik with ppower behind every move including simpliy pulling away ur arm or somthingu cant jsut grab someones arm and do what u whant with it they will jerk it back and thrust from side to side to get free of ur hold people dont just stand thier
theredone09 1 year ago
błagam was - na filmiku jest błąd, ale nie powtarzajcie go - PRZERZUTY - dwa razy RZ. ( a nie wiem czemu to mnie tak poraziło ... )
DarthYstred 1 year ago
świetne! a to jest w Polsce?! Też chcę!
mszmarcin 1 year ago
sta muy padre peo pinche acanción hace que todo se vea medio gay
Blackwarriorangel13 1 year ago
me encanto, lo encuentro muy util para quienes nos gusta el arte de la esgrima
Ondara83 1 year ago
ciekawa walka, widac szkolenie, brawo ! ale (1:07) kurwa nędza.... nie przeżuty (kotlet) tylko przerzuty od rzucać
Gwynbleith 2 years ago
półtoraręczniaki żądzą!
:D
mając 11 lat walka ja-półtoraręczniak pokonałem starszego brata - 15lat miałXD
ale cóż czy to sprawiedliwe wyższy jestem ,a on dualamiXD
TheMooriq 2 years ago
This song reminds me of polka
Ieatbabyseals 2 years ago
Zadowalające.
Sanhadrian 2 years ago
Muzyka dla ciot. Sorry, że to piszę, ale nie ogarniam tych wszelkich dennych czasoumilaczy.
madblackadder 2 years ago 10
Zgadzam się w stu procentach. Ale tak czy owak, sam filmik jest jak najbardziej w porządku.
HstfSengir 2 years ago
@madblackadder Ja tam lubie tą nute ale nie pasuje kompletnie do tego xD
Pectus09 1 year ago
@madblackadder ty pewnie jak prawdziwy kozak(dres) wolisz sluchac jakiegos elektronicznego gowna typu discopolo czy muzyki jakiego dj co przez 3 minuty puszcza to samo
Argoren 7 months ago
@madblackadder Pewnie jakiś hip-pochwowiec z ciebie, co? xD
Takiego to czuć na kilometr :P
wojtass1818 6 months ago
@madblackadder każdy słucha czego lubi, z całą pewnością lepsze od Behemota i nie dającego sie słuchać wokalu Nergala albo Biebera
misterlechu 2 months ago
Well done guys.
I really enjoyed the Video, you´re doing great.
I like the pieces fought , from wich Fencing-Book are they??
Josc990 2 years ago
The ARMA guys (with the red shirts) are doing plays from the Codex Wallerstein.
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago 6
@Kunstdesfechtens One of the funniest things I've ever read was in the Codex Wallerstein. There was some move where the translation said "Then cut your opponent in the testicles. That is a good trick..."
Indeed it is.
ArranoGris 1 year ago
Kto został "przeżuty"?
brandy1999 2 years ago 4
i wanted to do somekind of medival thing but i went with archery instead. i chose i compund bow tohugh instead of long bow T-T i regret it so much
versionintegrale 2 years ago
Wolę krótkie ostrza.
Sipso2008 2 years ago
jak to ma mi pomóc, jeżeli oni łapią rękami ostrza mieczy ?? :D
kompletna amatorszczyzna...
sam o wiele lepiej walczę..
filipbrandt 2 years ago
Nie ma to jak skromność...
Sanhadrian 2 years ago
dzięki zawsze pomoże :)
kain19311 2 years ago
nice work and research guy
keep learning more
NewZealfighter 2 years ago
Actually halfswording (grabbiing the blade) is a pretty widely understood technique of western swordsmanship. This is done because in actual combat you should be wearing hard leather gloves or better.
WaverenEvermore 2 years ago
Who with a Sword sharp on both sides is doing this kind of moves.
NOBODY!!!!! Because you cut your hands into pieces.
werekorden 2 years ago
I agree ith waverenEvermore
half swording is very much documented in european history
or course they would be glove or armored gauntles
one reason half swording is when your in close and things start getting a little insane is you can feel exactly where the blade is
another is in CQF there is economy of motion.
another reason as we see in the video half sword techniques can unbalance your oppenent
lastly half swording works well against a fully armored knight
NewZealfighter 2 years ago
This is a longsword and it is sharp on both sides of de blade. A gauntlet is not made of metal on the inside it is just of leather, so the blade of the sword will just cut through.
Also in close combat the Thallhofer aso. technics work very well. If it gets to close you use your special disc dagger.
So tell me why should I cut my own Hand?!
werekorden 2 years ago
I do a lot of unarmed knife defence and I can tell you that you can grab a knife with out a glove(( IF)) and it is a big ((IF)) the blade does not slide
Just think about when you wash the cutlery in the sink and you are grabbing knifes in the soapy water
Iam not saying in my knife defence practice I try to grab the blade but it is possible but these soldier wore thick glove that they knew they could repair
Sure if you had a dagger and time to grab it sure that would be an option
NewZealfighter 2 years ago 2
With a knife I agree, when just one side of the blade is sharp, wihich is usually the case. But have a look to modern self-defense, all doing it without holding the knife it self, because it is far to dangerous.
werekorden 2 years ago
werekorden
I see your into systema
How long how you been learning about systema?
Do you own any of Valdimir's Videos?
Personally I enjoy
Fundamentals of knife defence
and
Escape from Holds
and
Beat the Odds
NewZealfighter 2 years ago
You just need to apply the pressure against the flats of the blade, rather than the edges, when you're grabbing the blade, this way you can hold even razor sharp blades without gloves. Grabbing the dagger blade is also common (whether it's a round bladed rondel or double-sides dagger). I'm not really familiar with German dagger techniques, but I learn one nice disarm that involves taking your dagger by the blade.
Ranziel1 2 years ago
Let us also remember very skilled sword masters could easily bind your sword up and you would have less then a secound to think clearly I am sure in that case you would worry about the palm of your hand
But of course if you were a warrior at the time you should have a think pair of gloves on
and let us remember you can't just smash your way throu plate mail
personally half swording for me would be a last resort
But they are worth learning especially if there are historic tec..
NewZealfighter 2 years ago
You won't cut your hand. Watch "sword tug-of-war" here on youtube to see me pull my teacher around while he holds the blade of one of my sharp swords. Swords don't cut without drawing or impact. Half-swording invloves neither, so you will not get cut.
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago 2
Thanks for the info
How sharp was the blade?
and exactly how sharp were the medieval swords?
NewZealfighter 2 years ago
It's Albion Earl and it's SHARP. Sharp enough that I've cut myself cleaning it, much to my chagrin. The edge is historical, so more than sharp enough to slice unprotected skin if it draws. It's sharp enough that half-swording is possible, but not pleasant. Medieval swords were sharpened as their owners saw fit. Vadi said the last 6 inches or so near the tip should be the sharpest, IIRC. Basically, keep the blade just dull enough to half-sword with. ;)
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
they should do it with metal swords, its nit very easy with them and they had to thing more realistic :D
susuke226622 2 years ago
People use wooden swords in training because metal swords are too dangerous -_-
These are realistic techniques anyway, same deal with steel swords.
Ranziel1 2 years ago 2
sometimes wood can be more dangerous than steel, ie with stabs and trusts, metal sword will bend a bit, wood dosen't, also wood can break into sharp pieces... but wood is practical to learn techniques on slow motion, doing displays or playing alone
perdurabo1 2 years ago 2
A lot of Samurai preferred a wooden stick for dueling instead of using a sword. Sticks are pretty deadly. Early German tribes used sticks to fight the Romans. There are accounts of them breaking roman shields with wooden clubs.
Ieatbabyseals 2 years ago
Gay music...
Fiete1 2 years ago 2
Bardzo Dobrza!! Great work!! post more !!
ricardocameron 2 years ago
At 0:08 and 1:04, I realy doubt you would be able to grab a sword out of someones hand by the blade, espicially if that someone was pumped with adreniline and trying to kill.
But other wise it looks cool.
ADoorIsAJar 2 years ago
the training hall lacks the desire to separate life from the body. hence "training" and "practice". what is executed as a "grab" in training will most likely become a slap or trap in a practical duel. i'm just glad to see people using period techniques over "movie theatre-fu".
bladestormviking 2 years ago
Actually, that technique is described in multiple sources. You can certainly grab a sharp blade, but you must be FAST. Meyer (1570) actually stresses that point. You might get cut superficially, but so what. There are a couple of demonstrations of grabbing live blades on youtube. Look up "sword tug of war" (featuring my teacher and yours truly) and Hammaborg's "hammaborg entwaffnung mit einem scharfen schwert". Enjoy!
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
Gauntlets, friend, gauntlets.
ProfessionalWhiteGuy 2 years ago
thats what I thought. people who fought with long swords were probably knights and they had protection
rphinks 2 years ago
I believe that the combatants are assumed to be wearing gloves.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
Nope, the manuals clearly show this being done without hand protection or any other type of armour. Sword blades may be safely grabbed if you know what you're doing. You must put pressure on the flat, and don't let it slip.
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
You might get the occasional bump on the head, but it looks like fun.
whatzupa 2 years ago
It's good to see the skills and techniques growing and being kept alive. I used to train with a guy that made armour, metal swords and heavy poles. We knew a few techniques and kept practising. We had a few mock battles, and it was interesting. If you could grab the enemies sword or spear, your man with a spear could easily get him. It's hard to slide up a trapped pole and strike with sword unless you have coverage on that side though.
whatzupa 2 years ago
It is futile to call one style or system better than another. It solely depends upon the capabilities of the practitioner.
toothANDclaw13 2 years ago 2
Absolutely, I'm so happy to read comments from intelligent, informed people on youtube, for a change.
TheVoraciousSnapmare 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Japanese sword techniques looks ``cleaner`` (more effective). Isn't dangerous to grab a live edge like this?
Mantinae 2 years ago
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Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
More effective? Hardly. In fact, you'll find many similarities in German and Japanese sword techniques. Looking good doesn't equal effectiveness. Grabbing a live blade is fine if done correctly, pressuring the flats of the blade. Look at "sword tug of war" here on youtube to see it done.
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago 3
Thank you very much.
Mantinae 2 years ago
It's a well practived technique used for getting into the gaps in armour, known as 'half-swording' An edge is only dangerous if too much pressure is applied to it.
While you say Japanese arts look more effective, remember that each art was developed in responce to the weapons and armoru in use in the area and time, JSA may look more effective in Japan, but WMA will be more so in western countries.
Alex231291 2 years ago
Thank you very much.
Mantinae 2 years ago
Happy to help. Forgive the spelling mistakes, I'm yet to sleep.
Alex231291 2 years ago
Not when your wearing armor with chain mail gloves.
Leifthrasir 2 years ago
I'm not an expert, but no it was quite common to grab the other guy's sword. It was also normal to grab your own blade (half swording). The blades were usually dull closer to the hilt.
krobi26 2 years ago
Usually, yes, but also swords back then were not often as sharp even near the end as we would believe via cinema.
TheVoraciousSnapmare 2 years ago
I had heard that too, but I wasn't sure so I didn't mention that.
krobi26 2 years ago
the song is
Sum 41 - In Too Deep
not so hart to find:p
bas1788 2 years ago
Well im too tired to do it right now but my secret to finding what a song is is by googling some of the songs lyrics.
Eckull 2 years ago
anyone knows the song of this video ?
hjkl456789a 2 years ago
looks to me interesting but...also a little bit gay XD
sry but...cant they fight fast and without brakes??
Superbaschdl 2 years ago
It's a demonstration of techniques, not a 'fight'.
Caliburnis 2 years ago 4
Very much so, its very hard to find a good vid of such a widely applicable sword style, being long straight rod-like weapons are far more likely to be found than curved, lightweight, elegant, broken barstool legs, if you get my meaning. or pool cues, better yet. and if it was a fight, they'd have to slow it down for the majority of people to see what was happening and appreciate it.
TheVoraciousSnapmare 2 years ago
Just for self-education. Is these pieces show what't called The Noble War?
Ranziel1 2 years ago
Yup. Once you're both winding, you're in the Noble War. This is a bunch of ways Edel Krieg can turn out. :)
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
"przeżuty" pisze sie inaczej
pedrakhan87 3 years ago
I have a question.
I've been studying fechtbuchs and watching many clips of historical fencing.
However, we rarelly see these moves in actual demonstrations without sword play.
My question: Were these moves actually used in a combat situation? If so. How often?
gre8 3 years ago
In combat situation [real] you don't use them because there is no time. Ofc it's only my view and I'm not a specialist here. I have some experience with swords [especially with bokkens and sabres] and well... there's only a little chance that you will spotten the good situation to make something impressive. Most of fights is just a cutting, stabing and kicking competition [biting sometimes ;D].
averit 3 years ago
Do you mean why do we not see them so much in sparring clips? Or that we don't see them in demos? Keep in mind that modern swordsmen are dilletantes, so it takes a lot of work to make this happen in freeplay. Unlike a knight, we're not able to train in swordsmanship as a nearly full-time job from the age of eight years old. :) So yes, these were used in combat. We are no longer the MARTIAL culture we once were.
Kunstdesfechtens 3 years ago 4
I'd say in a combat situation, the likeliness of a swordsman using these techniques depends on his fighting experience. you get much better by training daily in a "real" fight than by just learning drill techniques, because you get used to the speed and to reacting quickly. If you train those techniques in a combat situation, you could be able to use them. it depends of the fighter from there on
walatalalaw 3 years ago
The fecthbuchs practically covered everything that could happen in a swordfight, and gave counters to those situations. Things like crossing at the tip, middle of the blade, base (Yes, even that counts), whether your opponent decides to try to blow through or grapple, etc. The masters covered everything. In real combat, those things in the plays happen, just in different combinations.
So yes, they were used in a real combat situation. It's just less obvious, but they're all there.
insertoriginaluser 2 years ago
Because if the blade stands still it won't cut you, so you can even grab a sharp edge. Fending was done in gloves, so even strong grip won't result in an injury.
Ranziel1 3 years ago
specialy when hilts were made of pure metal with no other lacing than metal wire. gloves were more than necessary, and with gloves sturdy enough to withstand training regularly with a metal hilted sword, you could catch the blade without risking a cut. unless if the other fighter is actualy hitting you in the hand....
walatalalaw 3 years ago
You don't need any kind of glove to handle a sword. It doesn't mean what kind of hilt it has, you can hold a wire hilted sword without any problem. You can even grip the balde, the weren't so sharp.
gemkapocs 2 years ago
The surviving manuscripts show longsword fencers half-swording WITHOUT gloves. Look on youtube for "sword tug of war" to see me pull my teacher around while he hangs onto the blade of my Albion Earl, which is SHARP. :)
Kunstdesfechtens 3 years ago
i don't understand why he's touching the blade..
thebenchwarmer 3 years ago
a próbowaliście moje wy troskliwe miśki robic coś takiego w pełnym uzbrojeniu bojowym? no okay niech to chociaż będzie przeszywanica i hełm.
MissNoizz 3 years ago
a po co miśek? O.o
Niestesci1 3 years ago
@MissNoizz A w jakim celu robić w to "pełnym uzbrojeniu bojowy"? Przecież to techniki blossfechten, zupełnie nieskuteczne przeciw zbrojom .
Fakt, muzyka katastrofalna :)))
riefenstahl 1 year ago
@MissNoizz
A po co skoro to Blossfechten ?
Nizarmedia 1 year ago
"they planned the fight"
xD omfg, ofcourse they planned it XD
Niestesci1 3 years ago 4
they planned the fight
blakeboya 3 years ago
uhm yea, it's called training....
Dracoti 3 years ago
te chwytani moze nie sa najlepsze...podczas przechwytywania można starcic paluchy( kto pozwoli aby mu zabrac miecz z reki bez walki?) niemniej jednak bardzofajny film i mozna z niego wysnuć bardzo fajne i przydatne wnioski a niektóre z technik zastosować^^ 5 GWIAZDECZEK^^
kadzit 3 years ago
Matuchno, gwiezdne wojny.
Udało się komukolwiek użyć tych technik (mam na myśli te matriksy, nie te bardziej normalne) w normalnym sparringu?
MahatmaAgrobiznes 3 years ago 2
This video is fantastic!!!
TotoRevolution 3 years ago
życie mi ratujecie :P chociaż najpierw kupiłem bokkena (jakoś mieczy nie widziałem na aleg.) to ćwicze trochę tego z waszych filmików... D:
tak to jest kiedy człowiek sam do końca nie wie o czym pisac :/
przepraszam za błędy :p
JaxomPL 3 years ago
Osobiscie wole renesansowe formy i sekwencje traktatowe, w ktorych dominuje walka sama glownia, a nie element zapasow, Oczywiscie fechtunek mieczem poltorarecznym mozna prezentowac wykonujac sekwencjei formy w zainscenizowanym ukladzie, Ze wzgledu na wage broni jakikolwiek swobodny, a wiec max zblizony do prawdziwego pojedynek jest niemozliwy, Pojedynki fechtunkowe mozna toczyc jedynie przy pomocy rapiera czy szpady gdzie odpowiednie oslony zapewniaja max ochrone, Celuje w tym warszawska Lorika
MarymonckiJohn 3 years ago 3
"przerzut" przez RZ
ARMA jak zwykle pokazuje, na co ją stać. Dobre.
Maergensargoth 3 years ago
Taí, será que nos Tempos Medievais, os cavaleiros combatiam assim mesmo?
portagladio 3 years ago
A mnie rani że niektórzy traktują to jako głupią zabawę. Walka bronią europejską to taka sama nauka jak walki wschodnie.
PS. Trzykilowy półtorak??? Stąd ty takiego kloca dorwałeś?
Bharaii 3 years ago
cieszę się, że ci się podoba. A na filmiku są chłopaki z ARMA.
Niestesci1 3 years ago
To nie ja występuje na filmiku, ja tylko go zmontowałem. Powiem ci z własnego doświadczenia, na treningach używam drewnianych mieczy. To nie badyl tylko miecz z drewna (do treningu). Wiesz, żeby kogoś nie zabić, kiedy akurat nie mamy sprzętu ochronnego. pzdr
Niestesci1 3 years ago
muzyka: sum 41 : in too deep
super filmik przekonal mnie do walki poltorakiem zamiast zestawem jedynka+tarcza dzieki ;]
twojastaramp3 3 years ago 2
W pojedynku 1H+tarcza vs 1.5H większe szanse ma 1H, ale mimo wszystko półtoraki mają swoj specyficzny urok.
Up the Langschwerts!
Maergensargoth 3 years ago
Really weak, IMHO. The opponent must really help You a lot to let these techniques be performed
jbujko 3 years ago
Awesome! This is the original version. Someone else has stolen this video and posted it on youtube. I will remove thiers from my favorites and gladly add this one in its place!
Djemps 3 years ago
Film pochodzi z organizacji ARMA. Polecam wszystkim oficjalną stronę tego stowarzyszenia.
pzdr
Niestesci1 3 years ago
co to za pioseneczka???
kapitangwinciaz 3 years ago
interesauje mnie jedno , pokazujecie wytrzepane techniki ktore spawdzaja sie w bliskim dystansie
ale zakladajac ze przeciwnik nie pracuje nogami nie cofa sie i nie ucieka po nieudanej akcji , a co z przeciwnikami ktorzy nie atakuja tepo z Vom tagu tylko sa sztychowi i trzymaja dystans czekajac tylko na jakiekolwiek otwarcie / lub z postawie sztychowej proboja wystawic sie na jakis prosty cios stosujac od razu techniki wszelakie ?
tak wogole to pozdro ;)
Sebaldzik 3 years ago 2
interesauje mnie jedno , pokazujecie wytrzepane techniki ktore spawdzaja sie w bliskim dystansie
ale zakladajac ze przeciwnik nie pracuje nogami nie cofa sie i nie ucieka po nieudanej akcji , a co z przeciwnikami ktorzy nie atakuja tepo z Vom tagu tylko sa sztychowi i trzymaja dystans czekajac tylko na jakiekolwiek otwarcie / lub z postawie sztychowej proboja wystawic sie na jakis prosty cios stosujac od razu techniki wszelakie ?
tak wogole to pozdro ;)
Sebaldzik 3 years ago
NA sztychuącego są inne techniki. Durchveksheln, Zucken, lub włsokei Scambiar lub Rebatuda ;-) Ewentualnie jak za długo tzryma dystans i ucieka do tyłu to wystarczy serię strzałów typu Zwer lub Zorn wrzucić i albo dostanie albo bedzie musiał zmienić taktykę ;-)
Adamob 3 years ago
Co to za muzyczka. A filmik jest super pozdro od zinteresowanego tym.
kapitangwinciaz 3 years ago
Ja nie występuję na tym filmiku ;P Ja go tylko zmontowałem.
Niestesci1 4 years ago
Fajnie, ale pokazujecie tylko Chwyty. Pokażcie Wymianki ;]
gopr 4 years ago
Good vid, Bart and Company.
Zwerchhau 4 years ago
very good video
Migsu 4 years ago
nice video
mirx16 4 years ago
fazowo prawie jak wiedzimin :)
huhlik 4 years ago 2
Nie wszystko :P
Niestesci1 4 years ago
Paweł sie nareszcie postarał :D Tylko pytanie czy też tak umiesz?
malutka009 4 years ago