so come on Johnny - what have you ACTUALLY done since leaving the Smiths back in 1987? and No - I am not accepting the nonsense of the awful Modest mouse!
@revol148 he has been playing with loads of different bands; each one of them had a different style and Johnny addapted amazingly well in all of them. He proved he is a versatile guitarist, he basically can play anything he wants. That was a challenge for him I guess, and also the prove for the open minded people that you can move on and still be GREAT.
@cristi28bcn The Cribbs, Modest mouse, The the, Electronic - oh for sure he certainly has moved on from the time of the Smiths.Sadly we must conclude his talent for great tunes has also moved on - not in the same direction as him though!
@revol148 it depends on what you think great are. I personally think that the Smiths is the period when he created the best tunes (and considering he was 19 when he started writing songs like This Charming Man, I only can say that this man was born extremely talented). But what would people say if he only played Smiths-like songs? they'd say that he can't move on because he can't play anything else. But he can. That's what a great guitar player is. :)
@cristi28bcn was he really only 19 when he wrote those tunes - I had a feeling he was a little older.In any case my point stands that although he should indeed have moved on (personally and commercially) life after the Smiths has not been too kind to him.Oh and I nearly forgot what do you make of Johnny marr and the healers?On a different issue altogether: it is rather heartening to watch smiths videos here and look at the amount of positive comments underneath - very few people slag them off.
@revol148 he was 19 whn he wrote some of their 1st albums' tunes (impressive eh?). And do u mean his fame post-Smiths is not the same as his fame while he was in The Smiths? indeed, the Smiths were massive, but I have to say that fame doesn't always equal talent nor good music (especially nowadays). And I liked the Healers, he's releasing a new album with thm very soon (looking so forward to it!). I like the fact that he sings (I guess that's why the guitar work isn't as complex as in Smiths) :D
@cristi28bcn I would agree 100% with you on the notion that popularity does not necessarily equate with talent: a brief glance at the one man horror-show which is Simon Cowell is evidence enough.I am not sure of the idea that the smiths were massive when they were still together - a look at the tour dates shows that they never played big venues - massive popularity and serious critical aclaim only came later.
@revol148 well, with massive I meant famous, known around Europe... I didn't live the time they were playing, so I don't know, I might be wrong and they got a lot famous after?
I'm glad that you think that. I love the Smiths and Johnny Marr indeed, I feel so many things when I listen to their music. Only a few few bands go straight to my heart like them.
@revol148 and yes, seeing all the positive comments in Smiths vids is heartening. Pple still love thm after all these years; or pple who weren't even born, like me, started to love thm many many years after they were on their peak. I have a theory: people who doesn't love The Smiths have no soul (it's quite complex to explain why). Sorry that you have to read all this, but it's hard to explain myself sometimes when I'm talking about Johnny Marr. I love him too much and I have so much to say.
@cristi28bcn By all means - It's a good thing that you love the Smiths/Johnny Marr - the idea that music hits a raw nerve within you is one of the great things about music and one which as you point out is hard to put into words.I also have noticed that people tend to be moved either music or film - very rarely do people really love both.Try to check out the South bank show documentary here about the smiths from 1987 - that really got me into the band (sadly I never saw them live though!)
@revol148 I'm moved by both music and films, but music is stronger in my opinion. Not everyone thinks that, but I personally think that that's because the films are more "prepared to the audience", y' know? you only have to watch. There are really good films too though, and those few films make me feel something as strong and music. Good music will always be deeper in my opinion. :) and I'll watch this documentary, thanks!
@cristi28bcn For sure I do like both BUT given a choice music is far more important.There was a superb article in a newspaper here in the UK last year where a former music journalist felt that rock'n'roll has come to the end of it's natural life hence the lack of any real great music scene - very worrying and sadly true.Yeah check out the documentary - the version is poor quality but it gives a good insight to the band.
so come on Johnny - what have you ACTUALLY done since leaving the Smiths back in 1987? and No - I am not accepting the nonsense of the awful Modest mouse!
revol148 7 months ago
@revol148 he has been playing with loads of different bands; each one of them had a different style and Johnny addapted amazingly well in all of them. He proved he is a versatile guitarist, he basically can play anything he wants. That was a challenge for him I guess, and also the prove for the open minded people that you can move on and still be GREAT.
cristi28bcn 5 months ago
@cristi28bcn The Cribbs, Modest mouse, The the, Electronic - oh for sure he certainly has moved on from the time of the Smiths.Sadly we must conclude his talent for great tunes has also moved on - not in the same direction as him though!
revol148 5 months ago
@revol148 it depends on what you think great are. I personally think that the Smiths is the period when he created the best tunes (and considering he was 19 when he started writing songs like This Charming Man, I only can say that this man was born extremely talented). But what would people say if he only played Smiths-like songs? they'd say that he can't move on because he can't play anything else. But he can. That's what a great guitar player is. :)
cristi28bcn 5 months ago
@cristi28bcn was he really only 19 when he wrote those tunes - I had a feeling he was a little older.In any case my point stands that although he should indeed have moved on (personally and commercially) life after the Smiths has not been too kind to him.Oh and I nearly forgot what do you make of Johnny marr and the healers?On a different issue altogether: it is rather heartening to watch smiths videos here and look at the amount of positive comments underneath - very few people slag them off.
revol148 5 months ago
@revol148 he was 19 whn he wrote some of their 1st albums' tunes (impressive eh?). And do u mean his fame post-Smiths is not the same as his fame while he was in The Smiths? indeed, the Smiths were massive, but I have to say that fame doesn't always equal talent nor good music (especially nowadays). And I liked the Healers, he's releasing a new album with thm very soon (looking so forward to it!). I like the fact that he sings (I guess that's why the guitar work isn't as complex as in Smiths) :D
cristi28bcn 5 months ago
@cristi28bcn I would agree 100% with you on the notion that popularity does not necessarily equate with talent: a brief glance at the one man horror-show which is Simon Cowell is evidence enough.I am not sure of the idea that the smiths were massive when they were still together - a look at the tour dates shows that they never played big venues - massive popularity and serious critical aclaim only came later.
revol148 5 months ago
@revol148 well, with massive I meant famous, known around Europe... I didn't live the time they were playing, so I don't know, I might be wrong and they got a lot famous after?
I'm glad that you think that. I love the Smiths and Johnny Marr indeed, I feel so many things when I listen to their music. Only a few few bands go straight to my heart like them.
cristi28bcn 5 months ago
@revol148 and yes, seeing all the positive comments in Smiths vids is heartening. Pple still love thm after all these years; or pple who weren't even born, like me, started to love thm many many years after they were on their peak. I have a theory: people who doesn't love The Smiths have no soul (it's quite complex to explain why). Sorry that you have to read all this, but it's hard to explain myself sometimes when I'm talking about Johnny Marr. I love him too much and I have so much to say.
cristi28bcn 5 months ago
@cristi28bcn By all means - It's a good thing that you love the Smiths/Johnny Marr - the idea that music hits a raw nerve within you is one of the great things about music and one which as you point out is hard to put into words.I also have noticed that people tend to be moved either music or film - very rarely do people really love both.Try to check out the South bank show documentary here about the smiths from 1987 - that really got me into the band (sadly I never saw them live though!)
revol148 5 months ago
@revol148 I'm moved by both music and films, but music is stronger in my opinion. Not everyone thinks that, but I personally think that that's because the films are more "prepared to the audience", y' know? you only have to watch. There are really good films too though, and those few films make me feel something as strong and music. Good music will always be deeper in my opinion. :) and I'll watch this documentary, thanks!
cristi28bcn 5 months ago
@cristi28bcn For sure I do like both BUT given a choice music is far more important.There was a superb article in a newspaper here in the UK last year where a former music journalist felt that rock'n'roll has come to the end of it's natural life hence the lack of any real great music scene - very worrying and sadly true.Yeah check out the documentary - the version is poor quality but it gives a good insight to the band.
revol148 5 months ago