The things derrick says about abuses of human rights are very insightful. The things he says about the environment are not. The earth is not that important people are more important than animals. Who cares about salmon?
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You have to pay to exist because if you get everything for free you will use up too much and have too many children ... I agree with a lot of the bottom line ideas here, but these stories are not very logical or factual.
@BillyEarWig Cynic? You must be pretty analytical to make that claim from a four month old author critique. But you did well. Instead of refuting a single claim you made a romantic quote with zero substance. Good job.
But hell, I'll take cynic over jet-flying pantheist hypocrite who promotes genocide and natalism at the same time.
It's when greed and/or infinite money factors in-- among other problematics perhaps.
Property is finite, (as is labour), while money is not, and it therefore seems to make little sense, save for greed and control, etc. perhaps, that it be used in exchange for things that are.
Also, in a sense, the concept of private doesn't really exist in nature: Your fart-- never mind large-scale industrial pollutants-- is part of a butterfly effect that should inevitably affect me or my progeny.
This is an overgenerlization by Jensen. He is still making a very profound statement. We are all slaves to the system that we will defend with our very own lives. In this day and age people don't want to hear this. It is all about property. We are all fucked if we don't wake up. I am finished.
"You have to understand that many people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the the system that they will fight to protect it"
If you wonderful folks are really interested in issues like this watch ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM right here on google it's 13 parts long 10 minutes roughly each. It is a great tool to awaken people to the fraudulent nature of capitalism and money. We must unite.
When it comes right down to it shortysmagic, I agree with you. As I have mentioned in my comments in part three I have Indian ancestors. They had a hard existence but they basically owed no one except themselves for their survival; and they actually had a superior spirituality and culture!
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The apartment owner has the right to charge rent. The supermarket owner has the right to sell the food in his store for a profit. Rights are derived from property ownership. Your body is your first piece of property. To pretend that there is no property or ownership in the world is naive.
I understand your point AntiFed1791, because that is the system in which we've been raised and conditioned in. Alot of people think that humans have always lived in class systems, but that is not true. In all of the millions of years of evolution it's been just the last 5 to 10 thousand years that we've had class systems in certain parts of the world. Btw, the Federal Reserve believes thay have the right to control all money and people!
came across this video by accident. The rule of law is a social construct that has served our civilisation for many years. It's not perfect but I like it better than hoping people will do that they will say what they are going to do.
The venus project is a sci-fi technologists dream, not a realistic, intelligent solution.
It seems great to those who don't want to accept the reality of the situation, and refuse to consider that the path we're on will not suddenly work out.
It also requires that you stop caring about the non-human parts of the world.
Giant glass and plastic bubble buildings, acres of wind and solar power; intensive, stacked agricultural projects... none of that is sustainable or realistic.
It's just another way to keep going along the same path. "Don't worry... situation normal. Keep consuming." Venus project is just an extension of the same thinking that go us in trouble in the first place.
We need to reduce energy use. We need less, not more.
Fossil fuel based materials are not sustainable, monocrop agriculture is not sustainable, cities are not sustainable...
Cob houses and permaculture are sustainable... oh, but then we'd never get to live in "The Future(tm)"
OK, You say we need to use less energy. Where did that idea come? The only reason we need to use less now is because the current energy we use pollutes the world. It misuses it. With renewable and pollutant free energy, we can use as much as we want. You're still thinking from within the system.
Do we just keep on until we're using every bit of energy the sun gives the earth, leaving none for other life?
Cover the whole planet in intensive vertical farms, solar panels, etc?
It's the result of the same desire that breeds dreams of flying cars, and jetsons style sky cities.
Why do all these ideas involve artificial materials, strange sci-fi shapes, and other ideas straight from techno-geek fiction? Because that is where they were spawned.
My name is Sean btw ... Its evident you haven't done your research on the Venus project. The energy we can tap into now will last for hundreds of years. Also the key word is RENEWABLE. We're not going to deplete them. The wildlife is a part of the environment, and the project is pro environment. Technologies are being suppressed, hence, you believe we'd use fossil fuels. Even if we did it would be to create the friendly energy. In return we would use that energy to create superior energy.
200 species vanish per day, simply to keep this culture running. What will the venus project do to alleviate this problem?
I know the project is pro-environment, but in keeping with the basics of this culture, it seems like a dream that can only do harm. Greenwashing the future.
As expressed in the Venus project, there is no such thing as Utopian societies. It will not be a perfect and flawless system! It, however, is a heck of a lot better. How will the change come? First of all, the collapse of the monetary system is inevitable, hence the introduction of a new system. Second, read about some of the "advanced cultures of earths past or galactic communities and learn of their systems. Lack and need are illusions. The universe provides everything we need and want.
And once again, fossil fuels may be used to build the system for renewable energy. That energy in turn would be the source of building superior systems, freeing us from the enslavement of fossil fuels.
It's hard to say if something like an electric mining machine/digger could be sustainable. yes fossil fuels are needed at first to help create renewable energies, but what the venus project is about is a state of mind that gets people to realize we don't need so many things if we just share, like everyhuose on your street has 90% the same dvds cds blenders power tools and other shit that just sits there 99% of the time if we share things it will reduce sooo much consumption
You want to stop all this foolishness, put all education on the internet. Give every kid a computer and high speed. Fire all but the best teachers.Video their lessons with graphics. Make ALL licensing exams, etc,, bar, medical, M.D. available to anyone no matter what "tickets" they got punched or who their daddies are, if clinical skills are necessary have a clinical skills exam. Stop electing lawyers and start electing SMALL businessmen, not corporate pigs.
gee i think i struck a nerve (easy to do to an egotist like yourself)
that wasnt an argument, it was a comment. and it happens to be true. saying 'i'm done, it sucks being a genius' & 'now back to your insignificant life' (as if yours is so much more significant) smacks of narcissism to say the least. you're saying that if everyone listened to you, The Great holajim, then the world's problems would be fixed. i think its more complex. oh, and i have studied logic. maybe you should STFU?
Aren't the people who hold that power the only people who could make someone relinquish that same power? As far as elections go, I recall what my great grandfather used to say. "If he IS an honest man, then why would I vote him into office and make a dishonest man out of him?". The power-hungry rich are the only ones who can campaign for office, the rest of us normal people can't shake hands & kiss babies for months, we have jobs to go to, bills to pay, & mouths to feed.
Although a lot of what he says is intriguing (Look up the VENUS project for a more realistic futurist's idea on how to do away with the capitalistic system), his mannerisms are a bit "tickish". In other words, he speaks well but acts like a crazy person.
Central Planning doesn't work the central planners take control of the society.The venus project doesnt solve our enviromental problem.The venus project views the world as resources.
Derrick really is an inspiring individual. What he says is more important than almost anything I've been taught in school or college. There they teach you things which fit in the frame of our culture and you can't question it, although questioning that frame is exactly what this world and man needs. I've been taught bullshit. Luckily (or unluckily?) I realize that.
I'm reading his book called A Language Older Than Words. I love it.
"Civilization is based on clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and fetishization of the victims."
im so sick of civilization and the destruction and violence it propagates in order to remain dominant. Humans were never meant to live this way, and if they were, I would have rather never lived. I never got a choice of whether or not I wanted to participate in the rat race. I would have never chosen that. I would have preferred to retain my connection with the land my ancestors once freely roamed.
"existing" isn't as easy for some as it is for others. What of the elderly & disabled? Why not have a social system where you trade services for things that you CAN do for things you can't? LIKE WE HAVE NOW! I agree some things aren't "fair", the powerful DO step on the weak to get what they want, whether it's weak of mind, body, or number. BUT, when people don't keep their "possessions" in check, you get what we have right now. Living above your means=recession. It normalizes itself.
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1:46, this intellectually lazy person says 'they (indians) can build a house, but they can't sell it"..
Indians, build a house? why? they are pure and holy, right? why aren't they stillopting for buckslin clothes and teepees? Answer: because western civilization has made their lives better and longer. But he does get to the main point: abrogation of property rights. Take my property, and I'll put some minerals right through your skull. Know it's true before you act.
Terrible example on the passenger pidgeons. We basically wiped them out either because we wanted to sell them as food or because we didn't want to pay for other food.
Political affiliations have nothing to do with primitive culture.
Somebody like you from this day and age, that likely has no wilderness experience at all, has absolutely no right to say that primitiveness is terrible. Try and say that to the countless cultures that existed for hundreds of thousands of years before us and maybe you'd realize that they held a hell of a lot more reverence in life than you could ever conjure up.
There were communistic primitive tribes and I can respect that, but they were under constant external threat from disease, predators, etc. Life expectancies for many of these hunter-gatherer tribes, like those in France, was very ow, at around 8 years old, from what I can recall.
That's why many hunter-gatherer tribes advanced and created agriculture and technology; to improve living conditions.
I am reading "The Dobe Ju Hoansi" by anthropologist Richard B. Lee right now, and he documents how the Bushmen are virtually fearless of the countless predatory animals (like lions) which exist they live, and they never get preyed upon because they know how to deal with them.
Again, the problem with what you are saying is you have been reading sources about tribesmen surviving in extraordinary circumstances. But just because a few individual tribes were able to brave these circumstances and acquire high standards of living doesn't mean it was the case for the vast majority of tribespeople.
Humans are not cows. We are intelligent, social creatures. We are not being exploited by some mystical abstract entity. We created agriculture to solve our problems, and it worked
The conditions are as harsh as it gets in the Kalahari (the home of the Bushmen). What makes you think they are just a lucky exception? And what makes you think that the wild ancestors of cows were not intelligent and social? I am not saying they are the same thing as humans, but there are levels to intelligence and stupidity. Wild yaks, buffalo, wildebeests are definitely social and infinitely more intelligent than cows.
People can not choose the kind of world (or environment) they get born into. If there exist "constructed systems in which only certain options are easy to pursue" (Chomsky) then they will fit into those coercive roles and further advance those institutions and constructed systems. Generation after generation, the machine builds up and creates the Megamachine (Lewis Mumford).
My source is the pamphlet I recommended you, which cites from various anthropologists.
'According to estimates by researchers at the UCLA Gerontology Research Group, Homo sapiens' average life expectancy 50,000 years ago was 10 years, owing to death by disease, predators and accidents.'
Not really. Anthropology has admitted that people in hunter gatherer tribes were much healthier than the first agricultural societies. As for modern society, there may not be predators but there is more disease (like cancer), and more violence/crime, and systematic killing/destruction.
That's not really true. I recommend to you a pamphlet called 'Anarchism vs Primitivism' - I can't really type all the things I want to say out right now. But no, anthropology has not admitted that people in hunter gatherer tribes were much healthier than the first agricultural societies. It really depends on where the hunter gatherer tribes are. In some places, like in France, they had an average life expectancy of 8 years old.
I have read it. Let's forget about "primitivism" and talk about anthropology. Look up "The Original Affluent Society" by Marshall Sahlins, a very well respected anthropologist.
Can you tell me your source stating that people in France lived 8 years before agriculture? That is pretty hard to believe.
Are you referring to the !Kung tribe? They actually used to practice kinds of agriculture (horticulture), hunt elephants, and engage in small-scale warfare with other tribes. They were actually driven into the Kalahari Desert through a skirmish with another African chiefdom (Edwin Wilemsen). Also, the !Kung "homicide rate from 1920 to 1955 was four times that of the United States and twenty to eighty times that of major industrial nations during the 1950s and 1960s." (Lawrence H. Keeley).
The reason why the majority thinks we are living in the best time is because the science of rationalization (in other words mind control) has advanced immensely. Also people's life experience is completely controlled, it is artificial and disconnected from authentic spontaneous natural occurences. Alienation is at its highest, and people know nothing of nature or natural ways of life.
Why do you think they moved into agriculture, if not to improve their standards of living? Do you think they were forced into agriculture? They weren't. Why would they have continued into an agricultural society, if they were healthier and better off in a hunter-gatherer society? Because they weren't, obviously.
None of the documented hunter gatherers took up the sedentary agricultural way of life voluntarily. They were absorbed, devoured, genocided etc. Your question about continuing in agricultural life is the same as asking why cows don't try to break free. The reasons are countless. They are completely dependent on a system which exploits them. They are degenerated and stupified. They know no other way of life. They are scared. It all applies to us too. We are all domesticated animals.
The problem with the development of agriculture was that somewhere in the process, private property was developed that led to the development of a class system, and all else followed. That doesn't mean agriculture or technology themselves are failures - as communal ownership can exist with technology and with agriculture. The problem is with capitalism.
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Does this guy swallow? He is the biggest pussy I have ever heard on youtube. I bet he has AIDS. Anal Inficted Death Sentence. What a fruitcake, I bet he was casterated.
there's only one good thing about you, luckily not two, morons like you die every day because of your lack of common sense and knowledge. Accidental suicide i guess it would be... tripping from the top of a cliff or being smashed by a 4 wheeler, maybe bucked in the face by an elk or get aids from a prostitute.
HMMM if I get AIDs from a slut it will be because I fucked your mom, damn that bitch has a stinky twat. So are you so stupid because your dad and grandfather are the same person? Your mom was such a skank even her own dad had her.
Do you not understand that in order for that food to be in the supermarket someone had to plant it and grow it and pick it and ship it? You aren't paying for the food persay you're paying for the human labor involved in getting that food from a seed to your mouth.
The same with rent someone bought a house, it is theirs and in order to use what is theirs you have to give them something for it.
Those chains come off just as easily, because you are only giving consent within a "society". An "Act" only has the power of law within a given society if the society binds itself to the act...Outside the society, the Act no longer applies.
A Society is no different then a house party...The House Rulez apply only to those attending the house party....and, just because they have "dancing" at that house party, does not stop your dancing once you opt to leave the house.
I understand what this guy is saying, but i don't know what he's saying that hasn't been said before. Someone point me to something he says that's innovative.
Speaking of hallucination... if you ever hear Derrick Jensen suggest that eating a "red mushroom with white dots" will give you super human abilities, be sure to read up on Amanita Muscaria. Most books say they are rather toxic. ADVICE: For tripping, best to stick with cultivated psilocybin varieties.
Also, this guy is saying we can make our own living, by picking berrys, catching fish, ect. Does he also know how to make the jacket on his back? Did he pay for that? Of course he did, because life is more comfortable when you dont have to spend a week sewing your cloths, just work an hour for some money and buy it. Spend the time you saved enjoying life.
You're assuming that everybody in this system has the luxury of being able to afford a jacket. You say it's easy to work for an hour for some money to buy it, but that's absurd unless you're very wealthy. The majority of people on this planet are forced to spend the majority of their time doing things they would rather not do, just in order to scrape by with basic food, clothes, and shelter. Of course life is more comfortable this way for you and for others around you, but not for all people.
Would you rather spend a week sewing clothes that will last you the rest of your life, while spending maybe an hour per day gathering your food, or would you rather spend that week with doing labour for someone else for the majority of your waking life, in exchange for a pittance which just about allows you to survive? Because that's the reality for the majority of people on this planet, under the present system. Without civilisation, people overall would actually have way way more leisure time.
I see you points, but they are a bit biased. Unfortunatly, cloths do not last a life time. Either you will tear a hole in your jeans while searching for berries or you will inevitably grow out of them. And it is not completly absurd to think that a person must be extreemly wealthy to afford a jacket. If you are sincerely unfortunate enough to not have a jacket there are organizations that give jackets to the needy. Second you must be comfortable enough in your finances. You have internet access.
And without civilization, without society, without money, without internet, neither of us would be able to exchange words over seas. we would be stuck in our little log homes halfway accross the world and we would never get the opportunity to exchange ideas, opinions, technology, medicine, fashion, even music. We would never know what is on the other side of the forest. We would never grow as people.
He never says we should make all our own clothes and collect our food outdoors. He just says this culture is based on violence.
There's no reason we can't have Internet and store-bought jackets without oppression. If we were free to provide for ourselves without money, we'd only buy stuff because we want to, not because we'll die otherwise. We'd only get jobs because it's more fun than picking berries, not because some guy with a gun will do harm to us for being unemployed.
It's magical thinking to believe we can have internet access without violence. It requires computers made from mined metals and plastics (which require oil). It also requires electricity, powered by one out of many destructive technologies. These inherently involve violence and slavery. You think people work in sweatshops voluntarily? Get real. It takes the combined labor of a hell of a lot of people to bring you that internet access. Without plenty of slaves, you and I wouldn't even be talking.
It's not magical thinking to strive for an economy that's not dependent on slavery and ecological destruction. It's magical thinking to believe it's possible to continue with this system forever.
I, for one, would rather live in a world where I don't have as much stuff, but nobody is forced to spend their life working a job they hate. And I'd rather live in a world that will support human life for a few billion more years.
And yes, the Internet can exist without a slave economy.
Sure I have internet access (an hour costs less than a sandwich where I live), and even though I struggle to pay the rent, I'm among the richest 5% in the world. But that's not the point. The point he's making is that civilisation is based on violence, and the reason we in the privileged societies can't see that, is because for the most part we're the ones perpetrating the violence. I know I'd rather live in a log hut than have billions around the world suffer with what is essentially slavery.
People go so safeway to buy a fish because it is easier. People are lazy, even though they could go fishing to eat they wont because they would have to walk to a creek, bait a hook, wait in the cold, catch the fish, clean the fish, cook the fish. Whats more appealing to the modern day people? All that work? or to pay 5 bucks? Its not rocket science of why people pay for things.
Have you ever given any thought to why you do or do not perform some specific act?
Why do not drive through a red light, even if no cars are coming? Furthermore, why does someone pull you over and give you a ticket and then you must pay a fine? Jensen's talking about what is the point of money, if you can eat for free by growing your own food? What is the point of working for money if you can feed yourself? Why work to pay for the illusion of ownership?
Actually he is a little too simplistic at times. Because ownership isn't an illusion, it is just as long as we talk about physical things. Information is much more valuable and can REALLY be owned.
Aside from that, I always thought that everyone who smoked weed with 16 understood the basics Jensen describes in the video, so I understand why people agree, but I do not understand the hype like it's some revolutionary new truth. Don't these hypers know the situationists, the beatniks, etc.?
I would like to know what kind of system he thinks the world could use where you don't have to pay for anything? Who is going to make things for you? And why would they make things for you, for nothing? And who gets to have things made for them and who has to make the things?
You still need food, clothing, education, a bartering or money system.
I agree we have too many toys and too much greed in the world for more material wealth. But it is like a sickness and everyone wants everything; even the people that have nothing. If you think you can change that then just try to tell 12 million illegals, for instance, that they don't need all the nice things Americans have.
The formulation of the city is the greatest tragedy of human history.
My hope and prayer is not in the reform of nation states, but reform in the souls of mankind, for when mankind has reformed, the nations will be dismantled and the bonds of kinship will be our order.
the reform may happen with education and enlightening the public, there can hope for it to come, and prayer, if you believe in anything greater than man, to help it come.
Then who is going to educate or enlighten the public?
Excuse me, but this content is available for millenia, for centuries, for decades (think about 1968), and it got worse. About which processes in reality are you talking when you say "education and enlightening"? You are quite vague here.
life is highly complicated and we all want and want and take and some try to be good to mother earth and some dont care and we all suffer, except for the very very wealthy. and the hippies tryed the simple llife soon found you end up the same. Some slaves had it better than non-slaves.
True. Tom people for the most part are followers. They tend to follow the crouds. Its a harsh reality that goes back to hunter/gatherers unless we work we die. Choosing your leaders in life. Let it always be by the example of lifestyles that are common with you. Unfortunate though our leaders are never seen. Only their puppets.
But i have to say i can't how everyone doesn't hate working to survive, breathing polluted air and drinking and eating good knows what, being controlled by the decisions of other people,living in a world of hate and fear, which is even clear on youtube where the majority of comments (not these comments)are putting down other comments. I dont know about you but everyone i know is denial or too blind to see this. sorry for the length.
This man and others who articulate our illogical way of living, and the pain and suffering it causes us our geniuses and incredibly audacious. I would be afraid of getting silenced the dark ops way if i spoke out against western civilization.
slaves back in time. were doing all kind of labors for rich and famous ppl. and tdid they get paid? no they got a meal. did not say good meal but still. the diff with us isn't big.
we are slaves to our employers. we work for money. and money is then used to get your food.
thing is.every cies,whant profit. so your employer pay you less to get profits. you pay your grocries at profit to the risch ass boss behind this. and your income tax goes trhought the govt right to the bankers.
when people start with the, "oh, he's just smokin' weed and dreamin'", and, "he should just leave the country...". Well, what you've done is agreed with him, because you have no argument against the fact we are killing the planet and ourselves.
What Derrick is trying to say to you, and get you to admit to yourself is: What are we gonna do about it?
Due to missing gold backing of currency worldwide plus the megalomaniac act of usury, based upon will & want-believe of single individuals, the monetary system has completely lost its values (e.g. subprime crisis) and became mass hallucination!
So you have to work to live...? So what? Indians had to work to live- hunt, fish, build their homes, grow their food, tend their crops/animals, what's the difference? They bartered their goods for other goods they either couldn't get or couldn't make themselves. As far as the cops, the Indians had to protect THEMSELVES against thieves, other tribes, etc. The cops do that now in exchange for money, (i.e. wampum), a trade for their goods/services. Civilization is NOT a bad thing. ASSIMILATE!!
You know nothing about the relation between private property and power, do you?
To have to work for ONES OWN life isn´t the same as to have to work for a wage payer under capitalism. In fact, the capitalist has workless income, by takin away the gains of the collective afford of the people who are coerced to work for him (or another capitalist/investor).
That will never change? I don´t think so. There was slavery for centuries, yet it was abolished finally in many parts of the world.
But it won´t change from alone. Everybody can do a little step towards a better world by questioning authorities and the current system and working on alternatives.
omg dude nice vid! i seen one of his speaches thnx to dnhooligan like a long tima go i love this guy thk u so much people need to hear wat he was to say
Stupidity this profound can only come from higher learning. I say we deport Jensen and a few of his confederates to the wilds of Guyana and see how long it takes for them to degenerate into Lord of the Flies.
The idea that people in Nature are Lord of the Flies types is nonsense, and you're not getting to the bottom of what is bothering you about his thought, when you veer off into expressing violent intentions instead.
I agree Jensen's musings have an academic sense to them, as they don't relate directly to usable strategic goals for dealing with our real challenges today. Still useful to understand our basic assumptions
I find that people like him like to speechify on things like this, only to have a patrician up-bringing and a trust fund somewhere that affords them the luxury of doing so. He's mad at daddy because he didn't spend enough time with him growing up, so this is the way he rebels, OR he was brainwashed by one like that. Us less fortunate financially have to abide by the system he hates because it actually WORKS! Just a dressed down rich boy longing to be a "commoner", his patronization nauseates me.
actually he's mad at 'daddy' because he raped and beat Derrick and his sisters all through his childhood. this guy did not have your typical middle-class upbringing. he's not your Vladimir Lenin or Leon Trotsky; the middle class wanting to 'liberate' the workers because only they're smart enough to think of it. though you're right that pattern is all-too-familiar.
and he's not rich. he raises his own food and lives in a cabin in the woods. not your typical ivory tower social critic.
The things derrick says about abuses of human rights are very insightful. The things he says about the environment are not. The earth is not that important people are more important than animals. Who cares about salmon?
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maximus5102 1 month ago
hugs to you brotha of the natural law...
MsJustanotherhuman 8 months ago
You have to pay to exist because if you get everything for free you will use up too much and have too many children ... I agree with a lot of the bottom line ideas here, but these stories are not very logical or factual.
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@ThedogDio *learned?
Apart from the cost of everything and the value of nothing, like all true cynics.
BillyEarWig 9 months ago
@BillyEarWig Cynic? You must be pretty analytical to make that claim from a four month old author critique. But you did well. Instead of refuting a single claim you made a romantic quote with zero substance. Good job.
But hell, I'll take cynic over jet-flying pantheist hypocrite who promotes genocide and natalism at the same time.
ThedogDio 9 months ago
What I learned from reading Jensen:
Indians weren't agricultural.
Atoms feel pain.
Books are more profitable than the internet.
Even if you work around inmates and interview bomb experts you won't have to do anything as long as you say "I'm a writer, not a bomb maker"
Primitive is the way to go but if you're an author you have to fly jets for the "cause".
And if you have a cause you better charge for it and try not to debate people.
Pantheists like snarkiness.
Having kids is good......
ThedogDio 1 year ago
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BillyEarWig 9 months ago
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BillyEarWig 9 months ago
@ThedogDio Jensen and other militant leftist anarchists are morons.
MerriestMick686 6 months ago
@MerriestMick686 ... thanks for your 2 cents asshole ... I'm being generous about the value there.
TyrannisSicSemper 6 months ago
@TyrannisSicSemper U mad?
MerriestMick686 6 months ago
@MerriestMick686 More like mildly amused by stupidity
TyrannisSicSemper 6 months ago
@MerriestMick686 Do you remember? Do you remember what Margie told you? Do you remember?
She said 2012 was coming for you. but only sooner.
FightAllTheSerpents 5 months ago
@FightAllTheSerpents Fuck off, Mangerie.
MerriestMick686 5 months ago
Eventually the quality of life of 99% of the people will be so low, that they might as well fight back, similar to the Islamic fundamentalist.
PtAltmVansanTarr 1 year ago
Overpopulation destroyed or freedom. We're doomed. Get over it.
Sciuser10 1 year ago
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anyone who's into this stuff living anywhere between Baton Rouge and New Orleans? if so contact me! : )
caseyforever 1 year ago
anyone who's into this stuff living anywhere between Baton Rouge and New Orleans?
caseyforever 1 year ago
Yes! It's all about locking up the food supply. And a system based on violence. I like the idea of owning to use but not to sell.
caveatemp 1 year ago
Is there a part u dont understand.
adduummyy 1 year ago
Jensen and those of his ilk will be ground to dust under the the boot of the Human Empire.
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wyldchldx 1 year ago
@AntiFed1791:
It's when greed and/or infinite money factors in-- among other problematics perhaps.
Property is finite, (as is labour), while money is not, and it therefore seems to make little sense, save for greed and control, etc. perhaps, that it be used in exchange for things that are.
Also, in a sense, the concept of private doesn't really exist in nature: Your fart-- never mind large-scale industrial pollutants-- is part of a butterfly effect that should inevitably affect me or my progeny.
Glomerol 1 year ago
Neo: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo...
Time to take the red pill and unplug, folks.
Glomerol 1 year ago 2
I'm reneging on my land ownership agreement.
rdxm 1 year ago
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rdxm 1 year ago
people need to think like humans, not drones
stett99 1 year ago
He's got it
gabepinnick 2 years ago
This is an overgenerlization by Jensen. He is still making a very profound statement. We are all slaves to the system that we will defend with our very own lives. In this day and age people don't want to hear this. It is all about property. We are all fucked if we don't wake up. I am finished.
mayurasana 2 years ago
@mayurasana:
"You have to understand that many people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the the system that they will fight to protect it"
-- The Matrix
See also Plato's Cave.
Glomerol 1 year ago
Inter-subjective consensus is what you're trying to say when you're talking about a piece of paper / shared hallucination
StatelessCapitalist 2 years ago
If you wonderful folks are really interested in issues like this watch ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM right here on google it's 13 parts long 10 minutes roughly each. It is a great tool to awaken people to the fraudulent nature of capitalism and money. We must unite.
shortysmagic 2 years ago
When it comes right down to it shortysmagic, I agree with you. As I have mentioned in my comments in part three I have Indian ancestors. They had a hard existence but they basically owed no one except themselves for their survival; and they actually had a superior spirituality and culture!
pat52007 2 years ago
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The apartment owner has the right to charge rent. The supermarket owner has the right to sell the food in his store for a profit. Rights are derived from property ownership. Your body is your first piece of property. To pretend that there is no property or ownership in the world is naive.
AntiFed1791 2 years ago
I understand your point AntiFed1791, because that is the system in which we've been raised and conditioned in. Alot of people think that humans have always lived in class systems, but that is not true. In all of the millions of years of evolution it's been just the last 5 to 10 thousand years that we've had class systems in certain parts of the world. Btw, the Federal Reserve believes thay have the right to control all money and people!
MrEddievanhalo 2 years ago
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do you realize how stupid your statement is?
fowzie777 2 years ago
check this video out. DERRECK JENSEN starring in STAR WARS......NEW DVD BY Frank Lopez.....it is too AWESOME!
Mesheekah 2 years ago
came across this video by accident. The rule of law is a social construct that has served our civilisation for many years. It's not perfect but I like it better than hoping people will do that they will say what they are going to do.
victor1us 2 years ago
The venus project is a sci-fi technologists dream, not a realistic, intelligent solution.
It seems great to those who don't want to accept the reality of the situation, and refuse to consider that the path we're on will not suddenly work out.
It also requires that you stop caring about the non-human parts of the world.
Giant glass and plastic bubble buildings, acres of wind and solar power; intensive, stacked agricultural projects... none of that is sustainable or realistic.
withindarkness 2 years ago
How can you say its not sustainable if we haven't tried it. I suspect you have the better solution...
fistlaw24 2 years ago
It's just another way to keep going along the same path. "Don't worry... situation normal. Keep consuming." Venus project is just an extension of the same thinking that go us in trouble in the first place.
We need to reduce energy use. We need less, not more.
Fossil fuel based materials are not sustainable, monocrop agriculture is not sustainable, cities are not sustainable...
Cob houses and permaculture are sustainable... oh, but then we'd never get to live in "The Future(tm)"
withindarkness 2 years ago 5
OK, You say we need to use less energy. Where did that idea come? The only reason we need to use less now is because the current energy we use pollutes the world. It misuses it. With renewable and pollutant free energy, we can use as much as we want. You're still thinking from within the system.
fistlaw24 2 years ago
We don't have pollutant free energy that can be used to run something like the venus project.
Wind, solar, etc, all rely heavily on fossil fuels and other pollutants in all steps of their operation, from construction and operation to disposal.
I'm not thinking within the system... the system demands infinite energy, used as much as we want, from a finite world.
The "use as much as we want" part is the systems problem.
200 species disappear per day. How does the venus project address this?
withindarkness 2 years ago
Following that line of thinking to its extreme:
Do we just keep on until we're using every bit of energy the sun gives the earth, leaving none for other life?
Cover the whole planet in intensive vertical farms, solar panels, etc?
It's the result of the same desire that breeds dreams of flying cars, and jetsons style sky cities.
Why do all these ideas involve artificial materials, strange sci-fi shapes, and other ideas straight from techno-geek fiction? Because that is where they were spawned.
withindarkness 2 years ago
My name is Sean btw ... Its evident you haven't done your research on the Venus project. The energy we can tap into now will last for hundreds of years. Also the key word is RENEWABLE. We're not going to deplete them. The wildlife is a part of the environment, and the project is pro environment. Technologies are being suppressed, hence, you believe we'd use fossil fuels. Even if we did it would be to create the friendly energy. In return we would use that energy to create superior energy.
fistlaw24 2 years ago
Name a new source of energy that does not currently require fossil fuel or other pollutants.
I don't assume that you'd use them as fuel. Manufacturing, lubricating, extracting, etc.
Fertilizing monocrops, maybe.
I also said "other pollutants", such as the chemicals used in the latest generation solar cells.
Why do we need to wait for new technology? To live in a plastic bubble?
That is the story of this culture in a nutshell, "Oh... we're just not there yet, but soon....hopefully".
withindarkness 2 years ago
200 species vanish per day, simply to keep this culture running. What will the venus project do to alleviate this problem?
I know the project is pro-environment, but in keeping with the basics of this culture, it seems like a dream that can only do harm. Greenwashing the future.
withindarkness 2 years ago
As expressed in the Venus project, there is no such thing as Utopian societies. It will not be a perfect and flawless system! It, however, is a heck of a lot better. How will the change come? First of all, the collapse of the monetary system is inevitable, hence the introduction of a new system. Second, read about some of the "advanced cultures of earths past or galactic communities and learn of their systems. Lack and need are illusions. The universe provides everything we need and want.
fistlaw24 2 years ago
And once again, fossil fuels may be used to build the system for renewable energy. That energy in turn would be the source of building superior systems, freeing us from the enslavement of fossil fuels.
fistlaw24 2 years ago
It's hard to say if something like an electric mining machine/digger could be sustainable. yes fossil fuels are needed at first to help create renewable energies, but what the venus project is about is a state of mind that gets people to realize we don't need so many things if we just share, like everyhuose on your street has 90% the same dvds cds blenders power tools and other shit that just sits there 99% of the time if we share things it will reduce sooo much consumption
shortysmagic 2 years ago
@shortysmagic:
As the bit torrent folks like to say: 'Sharing is caring.'
Glomerol 1 year ago
@withindarkness Protip: No way of life is sustainable. Entropy, bitches.
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Tressco 2 years ago
You want to stop all this foolishness, put all education on the internet. Give every kid a computer and high speed. Fire all but the best teachers.Video their lessons with graphics. Make ALL licensing exams, etc,, bar, medical, M.D. available to anyone no matter what "tickets" they got punched or who their daddies are, if clinical skills are necessary have a clinical skills exam. Stop electing lawyers and start electing SMALL businessmen, not corporate pigs.
I'm done. It sucks being a genius.
holajim 2 years ago
Then you still would only have educated nonworkers...
Tressco 2 years ago
wow, way to stroke your own ego. moron.
pazomblez 2 years ago
Pazomblez, that was an ad hominem argument. Look it up. I am CERTAIN you never studied logic. Now, back to your insignificant life.
holajim 2 years ago
gee i think i struck a nerve (easy to do to an egotist like yourself)
that wasnt an argument, it was a comment. and it happens to be true. saying 'i'm done, it sucks being a genius' & 'now back to your insignificant life' (as if yours is so much more significant) smacks of narcissism to say the least. you're saying that if everyone listened to you, The Great holajim, then the world's problems would be fixed. i think its more complex. oh, and i have studied logic. maybe you should STFU?
pazomblez 2 years ago
Aren't the people who hold that power the only people who could make someone relinquish that same power? As far as elections go, I recall what my great grandfather used to say. "If he IS an honest man, then why would I vote him into office and make a dishonest man out of him?". The power-hungry rich are the only ones who can campaign for office, the rest of us normal people can't shake hands & kiss babies for months, we have jobs to go to, bills to pay, & mouths to feed.
drtyfknmouth 2 years ago
what community in Canada is he speaking of? where you can build your home..???
NeoSapienist 2 years ago
you can only hunt and shoot at the birds if you have a rifle or shotgun made in a factory by people who are getting paid.
nebnagrenol 2 years ago
Although a lot of what he says is intriguing (Look up the VENUS project for a more realistic futurist's idea on how to do away with the capitalistic system), his mannerisms are a bit "tickish". In other words, he speaks well but acts like a crazy person.
psychopicasso 2 years ago
Central Planning doesn't work the central planners take control of the society.The venus project doesnt solve our enviromental problem.The venus project views the world as resources.
alk222111000 2 years ago
Derrick really is an inspiring individual. What he says is more important than almost anything I've been taught in school or college. There they teach you things which fit in the frame of our culture and you can't question it, although questioning that frame is exactly what this world and man needs. I've been taught bullshit. Luckily (or unluckily?) I realize that.
I'm reading his book called A Language Older Than Words. I love it.
I give you this message: read it as well!
Rizeka 2 years ago 12
@Rizeka It is not luck that determined that you learnt those things in school
Guffrus 6 months ago
Premise 4:
"Civilization is based on clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and fetishization of the victims."
adramatictheme 2 years ago
im so sick of civilization and the destruction and violence it propagates in order to remain dominant. Humans were never meant to live this way, and if they were, I would have rather never lived. I never got a choice of whether or not I wanted to participate in the rat race. I would have never chosen that. I would have preferred to retain my connection with the land my ancestors once freely roamed.
adramatictheme 2 years ago 2
"existing" isn't as easy for some as it is for others. What of the elderly & disabled? Why not have a social system where you trade services for things that you CAN do for things you can't? LIKE WE HAVE NOW! I agree some things aren't "fair", the powerful DO step on the weak to get what they want, whether it's weak of mind, body, or number. BUT, when people don't keep their "possessions" in check, you get what we have right now. Living above your means=recession. It normalizes itself.
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ion1984 2 years ago
lol, did he say he lives with his mom?
supernoob17 2 years ago
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"invite the Sheriff in for dinner"
BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
upstart1776 2 years ago
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1:46, this intellectually lazy person says 'they (indians) can build a house, but they can't sell it"..
Indians, build a house? why? they are pure and holy, right? why aren't they stillopting for buckslin clothes and teepees? Answer: because western civilization has made their lives better and longer. But he does get to the main point: abrogation of property rights. Take my property, and I'll put some minerals right through your skull. Know it's true before you act.
upstart1776 2 years ago
That's what I is talkin bout. It's a notion. Go fish.
LukeCoulson 2 years ago
Terrible example on the passenger pidgeons. We basically wiped them out either because we wanted to sell them as food or because we didn't want to pay for other food.
BaileysBeads 3 years ago
You have to pay in order to have someone else build a fucking house over your head and live off other peoples sweat and labour.
wv05vq 3 years ago
Primitivism is truly terrible. PLEASE STOP CALLING YOURSELVES ANARCHISTS; YOU ARE NOT.
DANxCHORIN 3 years ago
Thank you, thats what im thinking.
PDRO4LYFE 3 years ago
Political affiliations have nothing to do with primitive culture.
Somebody like you from this day and age, that likely has no wilderness experience at all, has absolutely no right to say that primitiveness is terrible. Try and say that to the countless cultures that existed for hundreds of thousands of years before us and maybe you'd realize that they held a hell of a lot more reverence in life than you could ever conjure up.
Dargortheshadowlord 2 years ago
There were communistic primitive tribes and I can respect that, but they were under constant external threat from disease, predators, etc. Life expectancies for many of these hunter-gatherer tribes, like those in France, was very ow, at around 8 years old, from what I can recall.
That's why many hunter-gatherer tribes advanced and created agriculture and technology; to improve living conditions.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
Define predator...
Seems to me there are a lot of predatory people now. Look at the rape rates.
horsetotemchickadee 2 years ago
Wolves, bears, tigers, panthers, etc. Predatory animals, but you knew what I meant anyways.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
I am reading "The Dobe Ju Hoansi" by anthropologist Richard B. Lee right now, and he documents how the Bushmen are virtually fearless of the countless predatory animals (like lions) which exist they live, and they never get preyed upon because they know how to deal with them.
mcbaldan 2 years ago
Again, the problem with what you are saying is you have been reading sources about tribesmen surviving in extraordinary circumstances. But just because a few individual tribes were able to brave these circumstances and acquire high standards of living doesn't mean it was the case for the vast majority of tribespeople.
Humans are not cows. We are intelligent, social creatures. We are not being exploited by some mystical abstract entity. We created agriculture to solve our problems, and it worked
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
The conditions are as harsh as it gets in the Kalahari (the home of the Bushmen). What makes you think they are just a lucky exception? And what makes you think that the wild ancestors of cows were not intelligent and social? I am not saying they are the same thing as humans, but there are levels to intelligence and stupidity. Wild yaks, buffalo, wildebeests are definitely social and infinitely more intelligent than cows.
mcbaldan 2 years ago
People can not choose the kind of world (or environment) they get born into. If there exist "constructed systems in which only certain options are easy to pursue" (Chomsky) then they will fit into those coercive roles and further advance those institutions and constructed systems. Generation after generation, the machine builds up and creates the Megamachine (Lewis Mumford).
mcbaldan 2 years ago
My source is the pamphlet I recommended you, which cites from various anthropologists.
'According to estimates by researchers at the UCLA Gerontology Research Group, Homo sapiens' average life expectancy 50,000 years ago was 10 years, owing to death by disease, predators and accidents.'
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
Thanks, I'll get back to you after I check those sources.
mcbaldan 2 years ago
There's an article on the internet called 'war before civilization' that I just read, by Lawrence H. Keeley, check it out.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
*low
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
Not really. Anthropology has admitted that people in hunter gatherer tribes were much healthier than the first agricultural societies. As for modern society, there may not be predators but there is more disease (like cancer), and more violence/crime, and systematic killing/destruction.
mcbaldan 2 years ago
That's not really true. I recommend to you a pamphlet called 'Anarchism vs Primitivism' - I can't really type all the things I want to say out right now. But no, anthropology has not admitted that people in hunter gatherer tribes were much healthier than the first agricultural societies. It really depends on where the hunter gatherer tribes are. In some places, like in France, they had an average life expectancy of 8 years old.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
I have read it. Let's forget about "primitivism" and talk about anthropology. Look up "The Original Affluent Society" by Marshall Sahlins, a very well respected anthropologist.
Can you tell me your source stating that people in France lived 8 years before agriculture? That is pretty hard to believe.
mcbaldan 2 years ago
Are you referring to the !Kung tribe? They actually used to practice kinds of agriculture (horticulture), hunt elephants, and engage in small-scale warfare with other tribes. They were actually driven into the Kalahari Desert through a skirmish with another African chiefdom (Edwin Wilemsen). Also, the !Kung "homicide rate from 1920 to 1955 was four times that of the United States and twenty to eighty times that of major industrial nations during the 1950s and 1960s." (Lawrence H. Keeley).
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
The reason why the majority thinks we are living in the best time is because the science of rationalization (in other words mind control) has advanced immensely. Also people's life experience is completely controlled, it is artificial and disconnected from authentic spontaneous natural occurences. Alienation is at its highest, and people know nothing of nature or natural ways of life.
mcbaldan 2 years ago
Why do you think they moved into agriculture, if not to improve their standards of living? Do you think they were forced into agriculture? They weren't. Why would they have continued into an agricultural society, if they were healthier and better off in a hunter-gatherer society? Because they weren't, obviously.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
None of the documented hunter gatherers took up the sedentary agricultural way of life voluntarily. They were absorbed, devoured, genocided etc. Your question about continuing in agricultural life is the same as asking why cows don't try to break free. The reasons are countless. They are completely dependent on a system which exploits them. They are degenerated and stupified. They know no other way of life. They are scared. It all applies to us too. We are all domesticated animals.
mcbaldan 2 years ago
The problem with the development of agriculture was that somewhere in the process, private property was developed that led to the development of a class system, and all else followed. That doesn't mean agriculture or technology themselves are failures - as communal ownership can exist with technology and with agriculture. The problem is with capitalism.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
The problem is with private property.
DANxCHORIN 2 years ago
I agree completely. Private property, along with class divisions (which is fueled by division of labor) is the root of sedentary life's evils.
mcbaldan 2 years ago
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Does this guy swallow? He is the biggest pussy I have ever heard on youtube. I bet he has AIDS. Anal Inficted Death Sentence. What a fruitcake, I bet he was casterated.
billy56081 3 years ago
and you are an unbelievable idiot. who i HOPe is not reproducing... what a waste of space you are.
odestandau 3 years ago
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THere are 2 good things about faggots lke you, one you don't reproduce and two, you faggots are dying of AIDS at an increasing rate.
billy56081 3 years ago
there's only one good thing about you, luckily not two, morons like you die every day because of your lack of common sense and knowledge. Accidental suicide i guess it would be... tripping from the top of a cliff or being smashed by a 4 wheeler, maybe bucked in the face by an elk or get aids from a prostitute.
You're name suites you well, billy.
Maskuerade 3 years ago
HMMM if I get AIDs from a slut it will be because I fucked your mom, damn that bitch has a stinky twat. So are you so stupid because your dad and grandfather are the same person? Your mom was such a skank even her own dad had her.
billy56081 3 years ago
i like this guy a whole, whole lot
tokechokesmile 3 years ago
Do you not understand that in order for that food to be in the supermarket someone had to plant it and grow it and pick it and ship it? You aren't paying for the food persay you're paying for the human labor involved in getting that food from a seed to your mouth.
The same with rent someone bought a house, it is theirs and in order to use what is theirs you have to give them something for it.
whanguskhan21 3 years ago
You should read his books, particularly the Endgame series.
mistaspot1 3 years ago
money doesn't exist
bezale 3 years ago
Is he in his Mum's back garden? I thought he was living in a forest or something.
ianxxscott 3 years ago
i'd post this as a video response to:
watch?v=f_GWpcc4hZs
RevolutionaryJam 3 years ago
why would people eat at macdonalds if they could fish for salmon?
in most peoples cases.... laziness
most people with gardens don't even plant food
RevolutionaryJam 3 years ago
question is if you aren't going to pay to eat, don't you need to cease someones produce to give it to the hungry
RevolutionaryJam 3 years ago
i love this guy
adolescent900 3 years ago 2
me 2
roboplant 3 years ago
Those chains come off just as easily, because you are only giving consent within a "society". An "Act" only has the power of law within a given society if the society binds itself to the act...Outside the society, the Act no longer applies.
A Society is no different then a house party...The House Rulez apply only to those attending the house party....and, just because they have "dancing" at that house party, does not stop your dancing once you opt to leave the house.
slammah2012 3 years ago
Check Google Vids for "Bursting Bubbles", or
"ThinkFree"..."freeman on the land"
"the Magnificent Deception" or "Security of the person"...
slammah2012 3 years ago
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uMMm like O-M-G this is so stupid HAhahha
uhh wow this video has 2 be one of the Silliest and sexiest vids online. just like me! y3
antonfroe 3 years ago
'cause either people are not equiped for self-suffiency, or they're just lazy assholes.
queenwinterkat 3 years ago
I understand what this guy is saying, but i don't know what he's saying that hasn't been said before. Someone point me to something he says that's innovative.
Majesticon 3 years ago
Speaking of hallucination... if you ever hear Derrick Jensen suggest that eating a "red mushroom with white dots" will give you super human abilities, be sure to read up on Amanita Muscaria. Most books say they are rather toxic. ADVICE: For tripping, best to stick with cultivated psilocybin varieties.
billhuston 3 years ago
smoke DMT
rukus0NE 3 years ago
Also, this guy is saying we can make our own living, by picking berrys, catching fish, ect. Does he also know how to make the jacket on his back? Did he pay for that? Of course he did, because life is more comfortable when you dont have to spend a week sewing your cloths, just work an hour for some money and buy it. Spend the time you saved enjoying life.
jellypoopoo 3 years ago
You're assuming that everybody in this system has the luxury of being able to afford a jacket. You say it's easy to work for an hour for some money to buy it, but that's absurd unless you're very wealthy. The majority of people on this planet are forced to spend the majority of their time doing things they would rather not do, just in order to scrape by with basic food, clothes, and shelter. Of course life is more comfortable this way for you and for others around you, but not for all people.
captainfop 3 years ago
Would you rather spend a week sewing clothes that will last you the rest of your life, while spending maybe an hour per day gathering your food, or would you rather spend that week with doing labour for someone else for the majority of your waking life, in exchange for a pittance which just about allows you to survive? Because that's the reality for the majority of people on this planet, under the present system. Without civilisation, people overall would actually have way way more leisure time.
captainfop 3 years ago
I see you points, but they are a bit biased. Unfortunatly, cloths do not last a life time. Either you will tear a hole in your jeans while searching for berries or you will inevitably grow out of them. And it is not completly absurd to think that a person must be extreemly wealthy to afford a jacket. If you are sincerely unfortunate enough to not have a jacket there are organizations that give jackets to the needy. Second you must be comfortable enough in your finances. You have internet access.
jellypoopoo 3 years ago
And without civilization, without society, without money, without internet, neither of us would be able to exchange words over seas. we would be stuck in our little log homes halfway accross the world and we would never get the opportunity to exchange ideas, opinions, technology, medicine, fashion, even music. We would never know what is on the other side of the forest. We would never grow as people.
jellypoopoo 3 years ago
He never says we should make all our own clothes and collect our food outdoors. He just says this culture is based on violence.
There's no reason we can't have Internet and store-bought jackets without oppression. If we were free to provide for ourselves without money, we'd only buy stuff because we want to, not because we'll die otherwise. We'd only get jobs because it's more fun than picking berries, not because some guy with a gun will do harm to us for being unemployed.
loqiloqi 3 years ago
It's magical thinking to believe we can have internet access without violence. It requires computers made from mined metals and plastics (which require oil). It also requires electricity, powered by one out of many destructive technologies. These inherently involve violence and slavery. You think people work in sweatshops voluntarily? Get real. It takes the combined labor of a hell of a lot of people to bring you that internet access. Without plenty of slaves, you and I wouldn't even be talking.
captainfop 3 years ago 2
It's not magical thinking to strive for an economy that's not dependent on slavery and ecological destruction. It's magical thinking to believe it's possible to continue with this system forever.
I, for one, would rather live in a world where I don't have as much stuff, but nobody is forced to spend their life working a job they hate. And I'd rather live in a world that will support human life for a few billion more years.
And yes, the Internet can exist without a slave economy.
loqiloqi 3 years ago 2
Sure I have internet access (an hour costs less than a sandwich where I live), and even though I struggle to pay the rent, I'm among the richest 5% in the world. But that's not the point. The point he's making is that civilisation is based on violence, and the reason we in the privileged societies can't see that, is because for the most part we're the ones perpetrating the violence. I know I'd rather live in a log hut than have billions around the world suffer with what is essentially slavery.
captainfop 3 years ago
People go so safeway to buy a fish because it is easier. People are lazy, even though they could go fishing to eat they wont because they would have to walk to a creek, bait a hook, wait in the cold, catch the fish, clean the fish, cook the fish. Whats more appealing to the modern day people? All that work? or to pay 5 bucks? Its not rocket science of why people pay for things.
jellypoopoo 3 years ago
It's not usually because they are lazy it is because they are working 50-60 hr weeks and dont have time to fish and clean the fish and cook it
snowpea011 2 years ago
Wow, I wish I could be this oblivious!
Johnabraytis 3 years ago
i love you derrick!!! will you be my god??
nosowisewoman 3 years ago
Just buy his books (twice++) and blow up some damns and go into jail or be shot for him. This entitles you to be in his heaven.
bwhahrhr 3 years ago
Have you ever given any thought to why you do or do not perform some specific act?
Why do not drive through a red light, even if no cars are coming? Furthermore, why does someone pull you over and give you a ticket and then you must pay a fine? Jensen's talking about what is the point of money, if you can eat for free by growing your own food? What is the point of working for money if you can feed yourself? Why work to pay for the illusion of ownership?
IntrntObsrvr 3 years ago
Actually he is a little too simplistic at times. Because ownership isn't an illusion, it is just as long as we talk about physical things. Information is much more valuable and can REALLY be owned.
Aside from that, I always thought that everyone who smoked weed with 16 understood the basics Jensen describes in the video, so I understand why people agree, but I do not understand the hype like it's some revolutionary new truth. Don't these hypers know the situationists, the beatniks, etc.?
trakkaton 3 years ago
This is such a dumb video.
I would like to know what kind of system he thinks the world could use where you don't have to pay for anything? Who is going to make things for you? And why would they make things for you, for nothing? And who gets to have things made for them and who has to make the things?
wetweasel56 3 years ago
Things-we don't need things. Were fucking up our world to make things just to keep the economy afloat. Think about it!
Namaste1001 3 years ago
You still need food, clothing, education, a bartering or money system.
I agree we have too many toys and too much greed in the world for more material wealth. But it is like a sickness and everyone wants everything; even the people that have nothing. If you think you can change that then just try to tell 12 million illegals, for instance, that they don't need all the nice things Americans have.
wetweasel56 3 years ago
The formulation of the city is the greatest tragedy of human history.
My hope and prayer is not in the reform of nation states, but reform in the souls of mankind, for when mankind has reformed, the nations will be dismantled and the bonds of kinship will be our order.
BuckYooper 3 years ago
How is that reform of the souls of mankind coming along? By you hoping or by you praying?
trakkaton 3 years ago
the reform may happen with education and enlightening the public, there can hope for it to come, and prayer, if you believe in anything greater than man, to help it come.
BuckYooper 3 years ago
Then who is going to educate or enlighten the public?
Excuse me, but this content is available for millenia, for centuries, for decades (think about 1968), and it got worse. About which processes in reality are you talking when you say "education and enlightening"? You are quite vague here.
trakkaton 3 years ago
I wish i had a bit of paper that everyone agreed meant some dirt was mine. Paying to drink water sucks
idasputem 3 years ago 2
life is highly complicated and we all want and want and take and some try to be good to mother earth and some dont care and we all suffer, except for the very very wealthy. and the hippies tryed the simple llife soon found you end up the same. Some slaves had it better than non-slaves.
tomanyasses 3 years ago
True. Tom people for the most part are followers. They tend to follow the crouds. Its a harsh reality that goes back to hunter/gatherers unless we work we die. Choosing your leaders in life. Let it always be by the example of lifestyles that are common with you. Unfortunate though our leaders are never seen. Only their puppets.
cycimian 3 years ago
you have to pay for water no less its ridiculous.
madrox555 3 years ago
Actually you are not paying for the water, but for its cleaning. But you are not the one who poisoned it...
Maxuskrachus 3 years ago 2
But i have to say i can't how everyone doesn't hate working to survive, breathing polluted air and drinking and eating good knows what, being controlled by the decisions of other people,living in a world of hate and fear, which is even clear on youtube where the majority of comments (not these comments)are putting down other comments. I dont know about you but everyone i know is denial or too blind to see this. sorry for the length.
HCaufield0812 3 years ago
This man and others who articulate our illogical way of living, and the pain and suffering it causes us our geniuses and incredibly audacious. I would be afraid of getting silenced the dark ops way if i spoke out against western civilization.
HCaufield0812 3 years ago
slaves back in time. were doing all kind of labors for rich and famous ppl. and tdid they get paid? no they got a meal. did not say good meal but still. the diff with us isn't big.
we are slaves to our employers. we work for money. and money is then used to get your food.
thing is.every cies,whant profit. so your employer pay you less to get profits. you pay your grocries at profit to the risch ass boss behind this. and your income tax goes trhought the govt right to the bankers.
SLAVERY 2008.
monsterrun 3 years ago
yep, wage slavery.
pazomblez 2 years ago
whoever deny him is having serious problem.
our govt is really coorupted to the point of not gving a simple care about us.
we are slaves to the govt.
we are slaves of economy.
monsterrun 3 years ago
...no one wants to agree that Derrick is right.
when people start with the, "oh, he's just smokin' weed and dreamin'", and, "he should just leave the country...". Well, what you've done is agreed with him, because you have no argument against the fact we are killing the planet and ourselves.
What Derrick is trying to say to you, and get you to admit to yourself is: What are we gonna do about it?
gritpod 3 years ago
Nice Comment...
hey Totally i Agree.
Owning is all an an Ego-illusion...
trickertricks 3 years ago 2
So true!
Due to missing gold backing of currency worldwide plus the megalomaniac act of usury, based upon will & want-believe of single individuals, the monetary system has completely lost its values (e.g. subprime crisis) and became mass hallucination!
Tressco 3 years ago 2
wow you said it!
madzndean 3 years ago
Access to land point is really cool.
rcarty 3 years ago
So you have to work to live...? So what? Indians had to work to live- hunt, fish, build their homes, grow their food, tend their crops/animals, what's the difference? They bartered their goods for other goods they either couldn't get or couldn't make themselves. As far as the cops, the Indians had to protect THEMSELVES against thieves, other tribes, etc. The cops do that now in exchange for money, (i.e. wampum), a trade for their goods/services. Civilization is NOT a bad thing. ASSIMILATE!!
drtyfknmouth 3 years ago
You know nothing about the relation between private property and power, do you?
To have to work for ONES OWN life isn´t the same as to have to work for a wage payer under capitalism. In fact, the capitalist has workless income, by takin away the gains of the collective afford of the people who are coerced to work for him (or another capitalist/investor).
That will never change? I don´t think so. There was slavery for centuries, yet it was abolished finally in many parts of the world.
SecessioPlebis 3 years ago
But it won´t change from alone. Everybody can do a little step towards a better world by questioning authorities and the current system and working on alternatives.
SecessioPlebis 3 years ago
omg dude nice vid! i seen one of his speaches thnx to dnhooligan like a long tima go i love this guy thk u so much people need to hear wat he was to say
killuminati421 3 years ago
Stupidity this profound can only come from higher learning. I say we deport Jensen and a few of his confederates to the wilds of Guyana and see how long it takes for them to degenerate into Lord of the Flies.
mencius121 3 years ago
The idea that people in Nature are Lord of the Flies types is nonsense, and you're not getting to the bottom of what is bothering you about his thought, when you veer off into expressing violent intentions instead.
I agree Jensen's musings have an academic sense to them, as they don't relate directly to usable strategic goals for dealing with our real challenges today. Still useful to understand our basic assumptions
givebirthathome 3 years ago
I find that people like him like to speechify on things like this, only to have a patrician up-bringing and a trust fund somewhere that affords them the luxury of doing so. He's mad at daddy because he didn't spend enough time with him growing up, so this is the way he rebels, OR he was brainwashed by one like that. Us less fortunate financially have to abide by the system he hates because it actually WORKS! Just a dressed down rich boy longing to be a "commoner", his patronization nauseates me.
drtyfknmouth 3 years ago
Thank you-I couldnt have said it better
snowpea011 2 years ago
actually he's mad at 'daddy' because he raped and beat Derrick and his sisters all through his childhood. this guy did not have your typical middle-class upbringing. he's not your Vladimir Lenin or Leon Trotsky; the middle class wanting to 'liberate' the workers because only they're smart enough to think of it. though you're right that pattern is all-too-familiar.
and he's not rich. he raises his own food and lives in a cabin in the woods. not your typical ivory tower social critic.
pazomblez 2 years ago
is it just me or is his head really goddamn tiny compared to his body
Drallop 3 years ago 3
Pro Tip: Don't smoke weed before your interview, it'll make you act like you're unprepared and ignorant about the subject.
clayren 3 years ago 4