The average Italian soldier fought with heart and bravery. The nonsense that they were cowards in war was propaganda started by the British. General Rommel even commented how brave the Italians were under his command. The problem with the Italian army was poor leadership, poor logistics and poor equipment. Ironically, Italian weaponry started to rival American and even German weapons at the end of the war, when it was too late (i.e. Beretta handgun)
(Some books to read, rather than making disparging comments without foundation and insulting a whole nation of people) Mussoilini. A new life, Nicholas Farrell. Mussolini, RJB Bosworth. Dark Continent Mark Mazower. I strongly recommend, to all the racists and anti Italians to read these books. Literate Italians and literate English speakers know you won't, simply because you are too busy watching ''Hollow-wood WW2 shite''. Read them and you will see, Italians are not cowards, quite the opposite.
"They are amazing, courageous, disciplined (the Italians), but poorly controlled and equipped."; "The German soldier has amazed the world, the Italian soldier has amazed the German soldier."
..they are only here to attack Italian nationhood because an Italian man beat them up or they experienced misfortune off an Italian. I can recommend a few books on Italian successes during WW2, and its failure, but it is pointless because apologists have nothing better to do than attack the fallen. History is written by the winners, often with great distortion of how a victory was achieved. The Brits are best at contrived historical description, it is in their favour not to be viewed as cowards.
I really see no point in posting videos on Italy's involvement in WW2. It simply attracts negative anti-Italian sentiment and ludicrous accusations against the average Italian citizen past and present, while also attacking the Italian military past and present. So many of these arguments making unfounded criticisms of Italian weakness have no foundation. Posters have no idea when making ad hominen insults against Italians of WW2. And most Y generation idiots don't read Italian history cont..
@iAmWossha IamWanker I would worry more about the gutless Swedes having muslims take over their country.One swedish minister stated "i hope they(the muslims) are kind to us when were in the minority" As least Italy is showing balls by denying muslims citizrnship as much as possible & preventing as much as possible mosques to be built & show pride in their culture by preventing foreigners to impose their culture. Bye Bye Malmo
@iAmWossha They do not want to conform to swedish culture,They cannot assimilate into Western Democracy.If a muslim converts he is open to be killed by that community as justified by the koran.Here in Canada a muslim man was convicted of killing his 3 daughters because they adopted to western values(make up,boyfriend).The list goes on & on.Do you really believe these people support tolerance ? look at their own countries human rights records
@sumbarine Stop being so fucking racist, i have MANY muslim friends and they're fucking hillarious. Your problem is that you think every muslim is a terrorist.
@iAmWossha Yeah right buddy ask what happens to a muslim that converts to Christianity in a muslim country or a gay person who wants to go to a place like a gay dance see what happens. Look at what^s happening in other places like Europe.Brits can^t walk in Muslim neighbourhoods because its Islamic territory.Ask if a Muslim woman can marry a non muslim man.Then report back.Its called reality
After the Fall of Fortress Singapore in feb 42 where 100,000 Brits,australians surrendered to 25,000 japs a australian commander had this to say about the japanese victory "The whole operation seems incredible,550 miles in 55 days,forced back by a small japanese army of only 2 divisions,riding stolen bicycles without artillery support". Operation bagration June 44 ---In less than 2 weeks, 300,000 x-perienced germans & generals were killed, captured & surrendered without much of a fight.Disaster
@sumbarine By aug 1944 the red Army advanced a whopping 600km .German Centre Army had 17 divisions wiped out in 2 weeks,Out of the 150,000 captured germans---57,000 were forced to parade in Moscow in a Roman type triumph.The retreating germans suffered terror,confusion & no respite.casualties were up to over 400,000 by mid july after the late June Bagration offensive.In Moscow people watched those that few yrs earlier had raped,murdered(theSS),burned villages.The red army(true victors of WWII)
@sumbarine (two fronts) russia was broken until the allies put pressure on.. if the germans had been left to deal with russia.. russia would have been dealt with 12.7 million casulties on the ost-front 10 million were russian
@kingwalshy1989 In June 41 Russia was not prepared for the Invasion of Nazi Germany.Stalin ignored warnings of a impending invasion.He believed foolishly that Hitler would honour the Molotov pact.Hence the immense Russian casualties.As Germans advanced all Russian industry moved to the Urals when it recovered---The Red Army destroid 507 Axis Divisions,most of the Lutwaffe.Approximately 80% of the German army were Destroid as the REDS charged to Berlin.Amazing
@sumbarine bull shite i wudent believe anthing that comes out of communist lands look just because you dispise how well a country not even a qauter the size of russia done in battle against the slavs dont be a prick about it.. if it wasent for allied bombing of the ruhr russia would have been defeated you clown.. the west will triumph in any test against the east :)
@kingwalshy1989 Yeah right. Russia held Eastern Europe under its grip for how long 60 years ? Nazi Germany maybe 2 ? Churchill agreed to June 6th D day landing when he was told Russia would undergo a offensive(Operation Bragation),Where was the West in 1942,1943 ?Why not invade into France from a free "Britain" ? Oh yeah I forgot the Red Army was shoving a candle with a light right back up the German^s ass.The Soviets wiped out 200 yrs of Prussian militarism by Aug 45
hahahahaha mr.facts do us all a favour get a life hahahaha russians also killed raped murdered (nkvd) dont give me your sympothy bull shite... 10 million rats haha and for your smartnesss hitlers orders are one of the main reasons the german army failed if he had left manstein or other generals to their work things could have been alot different .. now fuck off you book humper !!! haha
@kingwalshy1989 Really ? Is that why the Germans court martialled 2 million of their own soldiers for cowardice ? "Russians raped ,murder etc ", Buddy if you were a Russian soldier you probably had a mother,sister,father,cousin killed & raped by a German or a village wiped out.That^s why with the crimes comitted by the German Army,Russian officers didn^t bother to enforce penalties when they poured over into the Reich. Its called what goes around comes around.
@sumbarine Ok, first your using your facts incorrectly. Russian losses were considerably higher than german casualities, even though they lost. If the west hadn't intervened and launched D DAY, the soviet union would have exhausted and lost.But guess it's not about what could have happened.
@killahpreme210 Russian losses were considerably higher mainly because Stalin thought Hitler would honour the Molotov pact he made with Hitler before the nazis invasion of Poland.Russia & Stalin were taken completeley by surprise that June of 41. As the Nazis advanced Russian Industry moved towards the Urals where the Lutwaffe could not touch it.D Day ONLY happened because Churchhill was notified the Russians were going on a Main offensive.Thats why the West went ahead
@sumbarine Sure the losses were bigger on the soviet side for like few days when the army was in chaos. You really cant think, that a paranoid person like Stalin didnt assume the possibility of German attack? Afterall Stalin was planning an attack on Germany. It was just a matter of time before one of them attacked. Germany just happened to be the one who attacked first. Sometimes attack is the best defence..
@kaahaajaFIN Stalin believed a war with Germany was inevitable further down the line but not in 41.Stalin believed Hitler had his hands tied in running over most of Europe & saw hitler having no beef with the Soviet Union
@sumbarine Surely he may have thought that an attack during these exact times is unlikely, but he didnt leave the western front unprotected. No General leaves a likely attack area undefended. And during that time, USSR had most of its troops doing nothing, because the lack of conflict zones. Those soldiers were in the western front.
@kingwalshy1989 Mussolini had a higher IQ than Hitler. Infact at genius level. Hitler just wanted all jews, homos, gypsies, communists wiped off the face of Europe. Hitler didn't have an agenda, whereas Mussolini wanted to recreate a Roman glory out of Italy but was betrayed by Hitler on a few levels.
@Johnnystrychnine Oh my gosh... you cant be serious? Are you really so naive that you think that Hitler wanted jews out of Europe, just because it is fun to exile them? He didnt have an agenda..? I suggest you to read some history.
Hitler wanted jews out from controlling Germany. Jews controlled German banks and a huge part of media. Jews wanted to make Germany capitalist or communist. Jews were the reason why germany was in trouble. Financial catastrophes and so on..
@kaahaajaFIN You are right and I did read that in a book somewhere. But that Hitler should make a claim that it was an agenda to exterminate Jews on the premise they wanted to create a capitalist Germany is not an agenda. That jews wanted to make germany jewish is an agenda Hitler was definitely opposed too. We are living in capitalist societies right? That is called economics that now Germany has adopted since the end of WW2. Jews were doing a positive thing, creating a strong economy 4 Germany
@Johnnystrychnine The word ''strong'' doesnt describe todays capitalistic Europe. There's nothing good in Europes capitalism. Lets take a look at what has changed in Germany after national socialism convertion back to capitalism:
Jews gained their hold back on the german banks and media. Ridiculous immigration (10,5 m immigr.) Class differences escalated. Huge amount of companies outsourced = unemployment. etc.
@Johnnystrychnine Jews caused major financial catastrophes in Germany, which took 6 million germans unemployed. Many germans lost their lifetime savings when reichs marks value dropped so low, that became common firewood.
Berlin was called ''the nest of vices'', because jews turned it into that. Many germans were shocked because Germany used to be strict. Jews introduced Germany to many vices, like masocism, sadism, reckless drinking and so on.
@kaahaajaFIN I find it hard to believe that Germans are or were so strict before or after WW2 that they never indulged in drunkeness, debauchery or profligate behaviour. Germans maybe strict and disciplined but they too have a reputation for partying hard. The depression in Germany occured without the Jews influence. Italy was in depression too at the time as was most of Europe. German political parties were all fighting for dominance, it was a mess of factions vying for electoral leadership.
@Johnnystrychnine They had the preussian discipline. People used to drink civilized outdoors in public and if they wanted to get wasted, they did it civilized, out from other peoples eyes, indoors. People were terrified by the lack of discipline that had suddenly evolved. Especially older people remembered the discipline they used to have, but then Berlin had turned to a nest of vices.
@kaahaajaFIN I think your Finnish side is showing in respect to the German character. I know or have known a few Germans and they are no the ''robotic'' type you are referring too. Yes they are hard working and do party hard but they are much quicker at opening up than say Japanese are. Actually, Germans do have a similarity with Italians, with the exception that Italians have a ''it can wait attitude'' Germans say ''it must be done now''.
@kaahaajaFIN And I am curious to know how Jews created this WW2 monetary catastophe you talk about? Are you possibly saying that the economic collapse of 2008 and 2011 was also the fault of Jews? It is not an issue of pro Israeli defence. Capitalism never worked, even you stated it in one of your comments. What works for you them? Fascism? Nazism? Are you also claiming that the currenmt debt crisis is the fault of Jews?
@Johnnystrychnine I think that the last economic collapse wasnt just a coincidence. Through an economic collapse, they can drive the world into ww3 and in the ruins of the world, they can set up the laws, to what they prefer.
The jewish media doesnt even show the event that are prelude to ww3, like here in Finland we havent been told about the Hormuz conflict not a single word. We havent been told about other conflicts there.
@kaahaajaFIN WW3? what are you on about man? If the Jewish media own most of the media Empires on the globe what can you do, money has more influence than knowledge. Are you anti semitic? And what conflicts are you talking about, I have had no inkling or leakeage of information on WW3 in Australia. this is You tube so anything goes...
@Johnnystrychnine First when Hitler came to power, he stripped all jews from power and that gave him free hands to rise Germany from jews deep depression and created jobs to those 6 million unemployed. Jews reacted to that by boycotting Germany..
but the boycot didnt affect Germany so much, because Germany was national socialistic, a self-sufficient country, which rose from the dusts of jewish controlled capitalistic debt hell, to a superpower full of happy citizens.
@kaahaajaFIN you idiot-southern Italy is dirt poor and still illiterate- no jew there but mafia--Canada with a lot of jewish people in high postion is gettting richer by the day same with Switzerland--you poor stupid italiens with your mafiosi regime and your catholic church can fuck yourselves--i prefer 1 jew to any of you neo nazi idots which are retarded idiots such as you
@hyurgy123 Well im glad that you idiot prefer jews to anyone else. You deserve to die in their hands then. To them you are nothing more than a stupid workmule who can make them more wealth, till the day you die. Or you might be lucky and live long enough to die for them in ww3. Wars are nothing more than business and jewish bankers and arms dealers are the ones that profit from them. Wars are zionist jews' dark business.
@hyurgy123 Wow, that comment proved your stupidity! It's funny that you even tried to argue with me about that thing, when you propably knew that you know nothing about the subject and lack brains to argue with me about it o.O
@hyurgy123 Wow, that comment proved your stupidity! It's funny that you even tried to argue with me about that thing, when you propably knew that you know nothing about the subject and lack brains to argue with me about it o.O
@hyurgy123 Wow, that comment proved your stupidity! It's funny that you even tried to argue with me about that thing, when you propably knew that you know nothing about the subject and lack brains to argue with me about it o.O
The Fins compared to their native population suffered one of the highest per capita casualties in the war.After giving(handing over) the Soviets 20 % of their land despite having the natural defensives to protect it,failing to help their German allies at leningrad despite pleas to do so(their uselessness)being just outside of the city,& being useless up near Murmansk,they turned against the Germans & handed them over to their Masters the Soviets in Lapland.They truly were the joke of the north
the German army was not good.Blitzkrieg a new kind of warfare led to early success.Many countries didn^t build their armies in the 30s like Ger because of the belief a dreaded WW1 would never happen again.2 million germans were court martialled for cowardice by German gov^t in WWII.They killed many innocent civillians to install fear to fool people they were unique.However their House Of Cards fell & fell hard.
In the1930's everybody had a dictator, Stalin, Hitler, Franco and yes even 4 term Roosevelt! Mussolini, was a 'hero' in the US, the US social security based on Italian plan. Even songs were written in US praising him. Brits, French, US had colonies all over world, they were incensed when Ethiopia was re-invaded by Italy. Italian people disliked Germans from WWI! The Italian people mostly wanted to be neutral like the Swiss. War and alliance w/ NAZIs unpopular.Benito's 1st choice was ally w/ US.
Di sicuro agli italiani nella seconda guerra mondiale non e mancato il coraggio ma i mezzi, l'esercito italiano all'entrata in guerra possedeva munizioni sufficenti per appena qualche mese e carri armati e artiglieria obsoleti,non c'e da stuporsi che siamo stati sconfitti.
All you people saying the italian army was the worst know absoultely nothing. The italians fought for 5 years! Not properly equipt, in a war they didn't want to be apart of.. Not to mention not a 1st world country at the time but still lasted longer then the french army which fell in weeks.
@noblacksnoproblem these gentlemen say Italian army was the worst in WW2; but, for example, I didn't recall any other army leading a SUCCESFUL CAVALRY CHARGE of 300 men against 2000 during WW2... but of course nobody knows about Isbuscenskij just as nobody knows about Alessandria, Keren, Tobruk, the Mareth Line, El Alamein and many others... Just let them talk. Ignorance and hate do not change history.
@PickBit Before we talk about those battles, we need to remember that Italy lost the war in Africa december 1940 when British forces launched Operation Compass where 115 000 Italian soldiers surrendered to 36 000 British soldiers...
@puju1234 It was not a single episode where those men fough in one single battle. They where scattered in several fortresses across Libia, they were poorly organized with little communication between them and most importantly lacked the means to stop british tanks. Italian tankettes got destroyed by the Mathildas without even being able to enter firing range and even if they managed, their shells could not pierce their opponent's armor... You should iclude these details next time...
@PickBit And all those things makes Italian army bad. I take again Finland for a example. In winter war Finland had 20 tanks. What our army did? Invented molotov coctail and problem was solved. You have to be very stupid to fight in desert without proper tanks and antitank guns. And if Italians didnt fought in 1 single battle then either did 36 000 british soldiers. In that Operation Italians had 200 000 soldiers and British 36 000 and nothing will change that fact.
@puju1234 Speaking of molotov cocktails look up what the folgore did at El-Alamein: fought british tanks with molotovs and HAND CARRIED anti tank mines which the soldiers put right under the tanks using fox holes as their only cover... If that's being bad soldiers...
Your statement about being very stupid to fight without weapons is not worth answering... Like they had a choice... think before you type please...
@PickBit Wow amazing, Italian soldiers fighting against british tanks with molotov coctails and mines. Finland didnt even had mines, only weapon against tank was molotov coctail and huge wood logs. It was everyday business to Finland fight with molotov coctails.
And how my statement was stupid? You talked about army, and Italian army were commanded by Mussolini. Mussolini started offensive operations in North-Afrika which was stupid move, they shouldnt never attack against allies.
@puju1234 -.-... So what? How does that make italian soldiers bad? Finland did not fight in North africa without water nor in Siberian winter without boots for that matter... But this is useless and besides the point, both armies did what they had to do to make the best of their situation.
If you are talking about Mussolini's chioces I agree with you totally, but we were talking about soldiers here as I recall... If a leader makes poor choices that does not make the soldiers bad...
@PickBit But you were talking in earlier postes about how good Italian army was in WW2. Here is quote from it, "these gentlemen say Italian army was the worst in WW2; but, for example, I didn't recall any other army leading a SUCCESFUL CAVALRY CHARGE of 300 men against 2000 during WW2".
Army isnt only about the soldiers, its technology,commanders and equipment too. Although I dont think Italian soldiers werent that good, there was much better soldiers in WW2.
@puju1234 I hate to break it to you but your statement makes Finnish army look quite bad too...
Anyway this is not important; what I meant is that Italian army was not at all as bad as some people say, because, if nothing else, it had fine soldiers, some of them had even elite training (folgore, MAS commandos, alpine troops) of the kind that allowed 6 men to sink 2 battleships (Valiant and Queen Elizabeth) at Alexandria harbor in 1941...
@puju1234 I agree. the "Green Devils" (Fallschirmjager) were perhaps the best regular unit in the whole war and there's certainly no doubt about the German armored divisions. On the other hand the Japanese Imperial Navy was second to none in terms of quality, not even british
@noblacksnoproblem Don^t listen to those ignorant fools.Italy only had 1/10 economic production compared to Brit & France.France fell in weeks,Brit had 300,000 running for their lives at Dunkirk.Italy (not prepared)at least stood ground for 3 yrs. At Gazala 35,000 Allies surrendered to italian General Navariini^s^s 30,000 men.At Mersa Matruh the italians badly outnumbered & hardly any tanks broke thru & captured 6,000 brits.Mussolini was warned Italy was not ready
@noblacksnoproblem My grandfather's father and brother got taken away by the Nazis. The father didn't go but the brother did. He went to a concentration camp where he starved so much he ate is own belt. No one died from the Nazis. My grand father stayed in a hole for 8 years. He was only 5 when the war started. He only had stale bread and potatoes to eat. That's why to this day he is very small. He's okay though. : )
@noblacksnoproblem oh c'mon,they had problems with invasion of Albania and Greece,if it wasn't for Hitler,Italians would be like France,fall in few weeks...
Sono onorato di essere italiano un esempio la Battaglia di El Alamein
I Paracadutisti Italiani della Folgore resisterono per ben tredici giorni SENZA CEDERE UN METRO, senza acqua e senza cibo Stremati, e senza munizioni, continuarono a combattere andando all’attacco degli inglesi e altri eserciti con il solo pugnale Churchill rese omaggio al valore dimostrato dai soldati italiani dobbiamo inchinarci davanti ai resti di quelli che furono i leoni della Folgore
what's missing in your country to take it with Italian???girls?sport victories?good food or great cars??,history,sun,music??remember when we build aqueducts and we had hot baths in the spa you granfather was paint his face blue,barbarian!coglione.
@mirza007gamer ,,,sometimes we can't see with the eyes of that period, I'd bet that no one knew the real causes of that war, that invasion...but one thing I can tell you easily, of course Italy made a mistake invading another country, but honestly it seems that most of the countries of this world never learned that war is the worst thing you can do....Am I wrong?
@ganlesat what's missing in your country to take it with Italian???girls?sport victories?good food or great cars??,history,sun,music??remember when we build aqueducts and we had hot baths in the spa you granfather was paint his face blue,barbarian!coglione.
@KristianCramer the Italians put out of action the carrier HMS llustrious allowing Rommel to arrive safely in Africa & yes the Germans saved the Italians in Greece but the Italians returned the favour when the Trieste Div. saved DAK from complete capitulation in late May 1942! & yes the Greeks were in deep trouble in early 1941 forcing Wavell to send tank & infantry units to Cairo ready for embarkation for Greece thus robbing him of the chance of taking all of Libya before the arrival of Rommel.
@MrPaulmancuso So if the germans had not supported the italians in greece, the germans wouldnt have been able to support them in egypt because by then the whole italian army in most of north africa would have been overrun. by a force far smaller than their own.
Italian soldiers fought against frenchs, americans, russians, greeks, indians, britannics, south africans for 5 years; not bad for the worst army of ww2...
@KristianCramer According to James J. Sadkovich (Univ. of Southern Mississippi Pr.) the British offensive had been checked after the fall of Beda Fomm through the heavy loss of tanks & trucks through direct action & wear & tear. At the same time, the Italian army bought valuable time for Rommel & 15th Panzer to arrive in Libya by going on the offensive in Greece & East Africa forcing Gen. Wavell to divert infantry & tanks units to the affected areas.
@MrPaulmancuso If you are refering to the stalemate caused by the greek victory in the greco-italian war which lead to the germans having to send over 600000 men to support the italians in invading greece, you still support my claim of italia having the worst army.
Pretty much every major confrontation during ww2 which involved the italians without german support, the italians lost.
@Vegge123 Of course. Its true they would have folded earlier. Italy was a second world country.....didnt have the industrial capacity of the UK. It was hardly likely that it could fight UK, NZ, Oz, Canada, India etc .....they were reliant upon Germany. Bit of a mismatch
@MaestraleF570 The downfall of the french army was caused by superior german tactics.
The french army was combined with the british expeditionary force was in equal numbers to the german army.
Read up on Operation compass.. 36000 brits vs 150000 italians. the brits captured around 100000 of the italian troops.. if that's not a shit italian army, i dont know what it is..
@KristianCramer Of course it was poor. Badly equipped, poor tanks not enough lorries/transportation, poorly trained and badly led. They were stuck in static positions with no serious anti tank guns....simply attacked one by one.
@KristianCramer Read up at Gazzala 35,000 allies surrendering to General italian Navarrini^s 30,000 men or Badly outnumbered the italians breaking thru at Mersa Mertruh & capture 6,000 brits.Compass ? with out of date equipment the Brits heard what the ITAs were up to.Of course 100,000 Brits surrendering to 25,000 japs at Sin gapore Feb 42 on top of the 50,000 surrendering in Malaysia don^t count.Or 300,000Brits running for their lives at dunkirk 1940 either.
According to author Walter S. Zapotoczny (a graduate of the U.S. Army Sergeant Majors' Academy) Rommel was on the verge of surrender in the last week of May 1942! However the Trieste Division came to the rescue and thus prevented the early exit of the Afrika Korps from the North African Campaign. (Source: Italy's North African Misadventure)
@MrPaulmancuso Yes, I think that was at the Gazala line when Rommel had flanked the Brits from the south(as usual) and then found himself trapped against the minefields. He was looking at surrendering when the Italians worked there way thru the minefields and resucued them.
The Italians held their lines as the Germans invaded Greece, defeating the Yugoslav army attempts to knock them out of Albania. Later in the battle for Crete Italian bombers from 50 Gruppo sank the British destoyer HMS Juno. Thanks to Italian dive bombers that damaged and forced the carrier HMS Illustrious to withdraw for repairs on 11 January 1941, Rommel and the 15th Panzer was able to begin deploying safely to Libya. Without the Italian pilots we would never have heard of the Afrika Korps.
@MrPaulmancuso Without Italian pilots we would never have heard of the Afrika Korps? Without Italians we wouldnt heard Afrika Korps, because if they could have handle North-Afrika alone Germans wouldnt had to go in there. Well I understand that if your 150 000 soldiers surrenders to 36 000 brits, your pretty much screwd then.
General Rommel was so impressed with the performance of the 7th Bersaglieri Regiment in the battles of Mersa Matruh and Alamein that he had the following words inscribed in a monument to them, 'The German soldier impressed the world, the Italian bersaglieri impressed the German soldier!'
The Italian Army sucked in WW2 - the Allies are lucky they weren't up as efficient as the Germans or the Japanese or WW2 would of been a lot longer or may have ended differently
@FGalaxie You still defending Italian soldiers. I have talked with you about this and obviously your very angry if somebody says in here "Italian army sucked in WW2". Why is it so hard for you? So many people have said here that Italian army was bad and you just have to keep defending them. Face the facts my friend.
@puju1234 Why do people from insignificant countries like yours feel they need to comment? SO many people believe the same old Anglo spread propaganda and lies, which is wrong.
Face the facts my non friend. The Italian forces fought btavely in several areas.
Its just a shame they are used as a scapegoat by some Germanic Peoples.
@FGalaxie So your saying that it was Germans fault that Italy couldnt Invade the Greeks alone and took heavy casualties from Greeks who fought poorly equipped. It was Germans fault that 10th army was completely destroyed and 115 000 Italian soldiers surrendered to 36 000 british soldiers?
Probally they fought bravely, but the skill just wasnt there and there is no way you can wash the truth that Italy in WW2 was a flopp. Kill and Death ratio was horrible for Italy.
@puju1234 Maybe you should learn to read English better...might help.
Was it the Italians fault that the so perfect and brilliant German generals would not stand up to Hitler and his idiotic decisions? Was it the Italians fault the Germans stole all their transports in Africa leaving them stranded?
Greece was a mistake that should not have happened. But the good things did, why dont you mention those? Italy should have stayed neutral.
My granfather...missed in action in russia in december '42. He wasn't a fascist, he just was in his twenty in the wrong period. He served in the alpini regiment, 2nd alpini division Tridentina.
@gtrebron of course that is what happen when most of the people are ignorant and not fully aware of what is happenig all around them. we gotta remind, that was a world where many people was completly illiterate and frighteningly poor, so I cant blame them so much. while I blame people that nowaday, still convinced that fascism, nazism it a good solution for every problem. Nowaday, in the western country we've got availeable thousants ways to understand our times and the past!
a problem ist that very very (!!!) many italians are proud of there fascits past and mussolini ... look at berlusconi today (even is a dictator mind like Hitler) .... italy has not learned about history, like the german .... very sad!!!!
@FGalaxie you misunderstand me... if berlusconi where born 60 years earlier, he could became a second Hitler because he has the same charakter... i dont have to do researc... i'm italian whit a german motherlanguage. i live between german and italian world so i see the difference
@FGalaxie in southtyrol - a part of italy - italy spend actualy millions of euros to renovate Mussolini/faschist victory Monuments from 1920.... and in rome the have no money! just to thing about
FUCKIN COWARDS! ITALIANS WERE WHINNY SOLDIERS IN WW2. IN STALINGRAD ITALIANS SURRENDERED WHEN THEY HAD ENOUGH FOOD SHELTER AND WEAPONS!! GERMANS AND ROMANIANS CONTINUED FIGHTING WHEN THEY WERE STARVING AND HAD NO AMMUNITION
@MaskedTehGamer Shut up kid. IF you think you are that much braver then why don't you assign yourself to the military and get your arse in Afghanistan?
You americans were not any better at the beginning of the war. When Rommel first got contact with American soldiers at North Africa he said. "I can't believe we lost against these people in WW1."
@MaskedTehGamer idiot... at side of germans were rumenians and ungarians... italians were not in stalingrad. they were defeated in little saturn operation after the stalingrad battle. and they had to retreat because the rumenians and ungarians soldiers guarding the flank of armir were fleeing
@MaskedTehGamer Stick to games for underdeveloped teenagers. They had summer boots on, artillery from WW1, singkle shot riflesof 1891 and at one point 57 tanks aganst 750 tanks. It was a massacre.
Senza munizioni, mezzi corazzati e artiglieria i nostri soldati resistettero per mesi all'offensiva alleata, contro mortai, carri crusader e supporto aereo. Se stavano dalla parte sbagliata, non era colpa loro: in quanto a eroismo e sacrificio, gli italiani furoni i migliori.
Once again idiots post---the dutch,who could never defend their country,even the Romans avoided going there cause its a ugly country.The greeks--where Venice & Geonoa occupiedtheir land for centuries,After Lepanto were Italy & her allies destoid the Turks,the turks were afraid to touch Italy.The Slovenesmany were of the 500,000 captured at Vittorio veneto by ITA where not only Austia Hungary got destroid but Ger was forced to surrender shortly after this in WW 1. This was confirmed by Ludendorf
@sumbarine the dutch defeated the english in a few sea-battles even burning an english fleet in England--a dutch prince invaded England and became king of England--the dutch also very much defeated the french at Waterloo together with the prussians-Wellington was losing battle when the prussians arrived--the germans fought 3 years in Russian and didn't retreat befor outnumbered 7 to 1, 139thousand brits therwhile surrendered to 36thousand japanese on bycycles
@sumbarine the brits surrendered 300thousand cossack refugees to Stalin at the end of WW2--also they sacrified their czech and polish allies to the nazis--40thousand boer childrern and women were starved to death in british concentration camps because the brits couldn't defeat the boer freedom-fighters. the war-loser lord Kitchener was declared a war hero by Britian for having starved 40thousand civilians to death--HEIL KITCHENER
"Axis forces also made a breakthrough on Highway 13, where the Italians of the Centauro Division spearheaded the attack. In the early morning hours, the Italians pressed their offensive, broke through the remains of the American line, and continued up Highway 13. " (Brian Murphy, Facing The Fox, America In WWII, April 2006) PROOF THAT ITALIANS DEFEATED AMERICANS AT KASSERINE PASS!!!
Yes the whole of the Afrika Korps would've capitulated in early June 42 had it not been for the Trieste Division that braved artillery fire and air attacks to rescue the incompetent Rommel! Jerries didn't even have enough men to take Mersa Matruh in late June 42. It was the 7th Bersaglieri that frightened into surrender some 6,500 elite troops there. The Bersaglieri with Centauro later rounded like sheep some 1,500 New Zealanders left behind in the desert.
Guess who saved Rommel's arse during Operazione Venezia? It was the Trieste Division! He was about to surrender the whole of the Afrika Korps! Dumb idiot had run out of petrol! Yes google it, or better still study military history. Guess which army shepherded like sheep into cages some 8,000 Gurkha, Maori, Punjabi and British troops? It was the 7th Bersaglieri & Littorio Division!
@Robinho0405 The Dutch army did nothing & stood idly buy in Sbrennica in 1995 as the Sebs massacred the Bosnians. The Dutch army were responsible in controlling the area & did not fire a shot or show resistance when troble occured(much like in WW1 & WW II or when Napoleon a Corsican of Italian nobility occupied),in other words thet were scared shitless.They join the Brits--300,0000 running for their lives at Dunkirk or Germans,300,000 surrendering in less than 2wks to Russians in Op Bagration
@Robinho0405 Just like the Dutch needed the Americans British Canadians,Russians to help them out in WWII,where was the Dutch army,hypocritical asshole ?
These men were brave and powerful fighters. They outshined the supposedly powerful Nazis (who were admitedly formidable) many times. But now a new manga called "Hetalia" has come out, with the countries personified. Of them, Italy is a coward and a crybaby, litearally taking a white flag into battle. It makes me sick that the Japanese have no respect for their former allies - especially when they themselves did so terribly during the war.
One of the Biggest disaster disgraces of WWII after the 100,000 Brits/Aust surrendering to 25,000 japs in Singapore in Feb 42 was the German army facing the Red Army in June 44.In less than 2 weeks over 300,000 germans were killed captured & wounded in operation Bagration. Many surrendered without much of a fight,57,000 were paraded in Moscow.Over 2,000,0000 German soldiers were court martialled
@sumbarine As historian Professor Richard Evans(Gersham College) pointed out,there were over 3,000,000(sorry not the 2 million alluded above) court martials in the Nazi/German army mostly for cowardice. Nazi crimes such as rape,plunder & pillage were not persecuted. A whopping 3 million !!! mostly for cowardice. A new attack strategy was employed(blitzkrieg) & hence the F-L-U-K-E success of Nazi Germany military for a few years.True armies/victors are those that hold out for centuries(R-O-M-E!!
@dregh94cr you dont give them much credit. Remember that Hitler agreed that he would not go to war without Mussolini knowing and only after Italy was ready. Italy was just beginning to get back on its feet from economic collapse from the First World War. Italy has been war torn for centuries and divided. The fact they honored the alliance and pressed on speaks volumes of the Italian people, their honor, and their courage! I was blessed to be born with the rich blood of Rome beating in me!
niente armi anticarro (max 47mm),niente radar,cattivi aeroplani,tank pessimi,artiglieria della ww1,niente proiettili traccianti,niente priettili AP,fucili della ww1,chi voleva un mitra MAB lo pagava 1000 lire..serve altro?Le divisioni italiane discretamente equipaggiate : divisione Folgore,Divisione Ariete,Corpo d'armata alpino,x^ flottiglia MAS,i caccia Macchi mc 202 Folgore diedero splendida prova di se e si fecero MACELLARE ma non si arresero meritando l'onore delle armi ..
I must admit that Italian soldiers fought several times brave in ww2 !!!!!but also they have lost many battles, and sometimes having numerical superiority in men and weapons as in North Africa and Greece in 1940!!!!!when the italians attacked Greece The Greek army stopped them and defeated them in all the battles they gave!! Eventually the Germans came and saved Italy from the humiliation!!!! :)
@trekk2011 Didn^t the Italian kingdoms of Venice & Genoa own/occupied Greeek lands for 4 centuries ?
While Italy was pushed back from Greece it held Ground in Albania,The italians didn^t surrender.When the Germans invaded Greece,the Greek army was held up fighting the Italians in Albania so the Germans had a cakewalk
@sumbarine Yes that's true but the Byzantine empire occupied Italy from 535 until 1071 especially the South part..!!!! Just history. And don't make me say about the Greek cities in Italy which were older than Rome!!!! And in 1941 the Greeks held the last big italian offensive in the Albanian front...if the Germans had not gotten involved in war with Greece is sure that we would have throw the italians to the sea!!!!:)
@trekk2011 First of all your called Greece because Rome gave you that name. Second of all I know of some small greek settlements in the southern Italian coast but in the end Rome(Italy being its territory w special status),Venice,Genoa had Greek lands for centuries on end.As far as what would of resulted in the Greek vs Italian showdown had the Germans not invaded,you & I don^t know.The Italians didn^t surrender.Mussolini gave the army only 12 days to prepare,the Generals were expecting 3 months
@trekk2011 Your called Greece because Rome gave you that name.Rome(or Italy since it had special status being a territory of Rome),Venice,Genoa held most Greek lands for centuries on end.We don^t know what would of happened if Germans did not invade.Italians did not surrender & Mussolini gave only 12 days prep to invade,his Generals were expecting 3 months preparation.Yes i know of some greek settlements along the southern italian coast,inwards were italic tribes.Byzantium is cool,no complaints
@sumbarine The Greek army wasn't ready and it was very smaller but the soldiers fight soo brave that Winston Churchill says ( If we there had not been the virtue and courage of the Greeks, we do not know which the outcome of WW2 would had been.) and (Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but the heroes fight like Greeks)!!! Those two phrases are say it all....!!!
@trekk2011 Italy invaded Greece in Oct 41,The generals needed 20 div but only had 8 in albania.Idiot Mussolini had disbanded 600,000 troops 3 weeks before,a 3 month prep was needed according to his Generals,only 12 days were given.when Italy invaded in Oct they had intial success but by mid Nov the Greeks outnumbered the Italians 2 to 1. A suuccessful Greek counterattack drove them back,when ITAs established numerical parity they stopped them in Albania.I do not agree w attack on Greece
@sumbarine Ok :) that's good!!!!!! War is a very bad thing which destroys the people psychologically and physically...!!!!is not necessity of fighting by humans!!!!
The average Italian soldier fought with heart and bravery. The nonsense that they were cowards in war was propaganda started by the British. General Rommel even commented how brave the Italians were under his command. The problem with the Italian army was poor leadership, poor logistics and poor equipment. Ironically, Italian weaponry started to rival American and even German weapons at the end of the war, when it was too late (i.e. Beretta handgun)
GiantsMets7760 1 day ago
onore!
chesterlp90 5 days ago
(Some books to read, rather than making disparging comments without foundation and insulting a whole nation of people) Mussoilini. A new life, Nicholas Farrell. Mussolini, RJB Bosworth. Dark Continent Mark Mazower. I strongly recommend, to all the racists and anti Italians to read these books. Literate Italians and literate English speakers know you won't, simply because you are too busy watching ''Hollow-wood WW2 shite''. Read them and you will see, Italians are not cowards, quite the opposite.
Johnnystrychnine 2 weeks ago
"They are amazing, courageous, disciplined (the Italians), but poorly controlled and equipped."; "The German soldier has amazed the world, the Italian soldier has amazed the German soldier."
Erwin Rommel
and now please shut up
inggchessa 2 weeks ago 5
..they are only here to attack Italian nationhood because an Italian man beat them up or they experienced misfortune off an Italian. I can recommend a few books on Italian successes during WW2, and its failure, but it is pointless because apologists have nothing better to do than attack the fallen. History is written by the winners, often with great distortion of how a victory was achieved. The Brits are best at contrived historical description, it is in their favour not to be viewed as cowards.
Johnnystrychnine 2 weeks ago
I really see no point in posting videos on Italy's involvement in WW2. It simply attracts negative anti-Italian sentiment and ludicrous accusations against the average Italian citizen past and present, while also attacking the Italian military past and present. So many of these arguments making unfounded criticisms of Italian weakness have no foundation. Posters have no idea when making ad hominen insults against Italians of WW2. And most Y generation idiots don't read Italian history cont..
Johnnystrychnine 2 weeks ago
The Italians was absolute wank in WW2
iAmWossha 2 weeks ago
@iAmWossha IamWanker I would worry more about the gutless Swedes having muslims take over their country.One swedish minister stated "i hope they(the muslims) are kind to us when were in the minority" As least Italy is showing balls by denying muslims citizrnship as much as possible & preventing as much as possible mosques to be built & show pride in their culture by preventing foreigners to impose their culture. Bye Bye Malmo
sumbarine 1 week ago
@sumbarine We let them in as humans. What does it matter if they're muslims?
iAmWossha 1 week ago
@iAmWossha They do not want to conform to swedish culture,They cannot assimilate into Western Democracy.If a muslim converts he is open to be killed by that community as justified by the koran.Here in Canada a muslim man was convicted of killing his 3 daughters because they adopted to western values(make up,boyfriend).The list goes on & on.Do you really believe these people support tolerance ? look at their own countries human rights records
sumbarine 1 week ago
@sumbarine Stop being so fucking racist, i have MANY muslim friends and they're fucking hillarious. Your problem is that you think every muslim is a terrorist.
iAmWossha 1 week ago
@iAmWossha Yeah right buddy ask what happens to a muslim that converts to Christianity in a muslim country or a gay person who wants to go to a place like a gay dance see what happens. Look at what^s happening in other places like Europe.Brits can^t walk in Muslim neighbourhoods because its Islamic territory.Ask if a Muslim woman can marry a non muslim man.Then report back.Its called reality
sumbarine 1 week ago
@sumbarine It's like that for a few muslims yes. But for the majority? NO.
iAmWossha 1 week ago
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Hirewithus1 1 month ago
After the Fall of Fortress Singapore in feb 42 where 100,000 Brits,australians surrendered to 25,000 japs a australian commander had this to say about the japanese victory "The whole operation seems incredible,550 miles in 55 days,forced back by a small japanese army of only 2 divisions,riding stolen bicycles without artillery support". Operation bagration June 44 ---In less than 2 weeks, 300,000 x-perienced germans & generals were killed, captured & surrendered without much of a fight.Disaster
sumbarine 1 month ago
@sumbarine By aug 1944 the red Army advanced a whopping 600km .German Centre Army had 17 divisions wiped out in 2 weeks,Out of the 150,000 captured germans---57,000 were forced to parade in Moscow in a Roman type triumph.The retreating germans suffered terror,confusion & no respite.casualties were up to over 400,000 by mid july after the late June Bagration offensive.In Moscow people watched those that few yrs earlier had raped,murdered(theSS),burned villages.The red army(true victors of WWII)
sumbarine 1 month ago
@sumbarine (two fronts) russia was broken until the allies put pressure on.. if the germans had been left to deal with russia.. russia would have been dealt with 12.7 million casulties on the ost-front 10 million were russian
kingwalshy1989 1 month ago
@kingwalshy1989 In June 41 Russia was not prepared for the Invasion of Nazi Germany.Stalin ignored warnings of a impending invasion.He believed foolishly that Hitler would honour the Molotov pact.Hence the immense Russian casualties.As Germans advanced all Russian industry moved to the Urals when it recovered---The Red Army destroid 507 Axis Divisions,most of the Lutwaffe.Approximately 80% of the German army were Destroid as the REDS charged to Berlin.Amazing
sumbarine 1 month ago
@sumbarine bull shite i wudent believe anthing that comes out of communist lands look just because you dispise how well a country not even a qauter the size of russia done in battle against the slavs dont be a prick about it.. if it wasent for allied bombing of the ruhr russia would have been defeated you clown.. the west will triumph in any test against the east :)
kingwalshy1989 3 weeks ago
@kingwalshy1989 Yeah right. Russia held Eastern Europe under its grip for how long 60 years ? Nazi Germany maybe 2 ? Churchill agreed to June 6th D day landing when he was told Russia would undergo a offensive(Operation Bragation),Where was the West in 1942,1943 ?Why not invade into France from a free "Britain" ? Oh yeah I forgot the Red Army was shoving a candle with a light right back up the German^s ass.The Soviets wiped out 200 yrs of Prussian militarism by Aug 45
sumbarine 3 weeks ago
hahahahaha mr.facts do us all a favour get a life hahahaha russians also killed raped murdered (nkvd) dont give me your sympothy bull shite... 10 million rats haha and for your smartnesss hitlers orders are one of the main reasons the german army failed if he had left manstein or other generals to their work things could have been alot different .. now fuck off you book humper !!! haha
kingwalshy1989 3 weeks ago
@kingwalshy1989 Really ? Is that why the Germans court martialled 2 million of their own soldiers for cowardice ? "Russians raped ,murder etc ", Buddy if you were a Russian soldier you probably had a mother,sister,father,cousin killed & raped by a German or a village wiped out.That^s why with the crimes comitted by the German Army,Russian officers didn^t bother to enforce penalties when they poured over into the Reich. Its called what goes around comes around.
sumbarine 3 weeks ago 3
@sumbarine Ok, first your using your facts incorrectly. Russian losses were considerably higher than german casualities, even though they lost. If the west hadn't intervened and launched D DAY, the soviet union would have exhausted and lost.But guess it's not about what could have happened.
killahpreme210 1 week ago
@killahpreme210 Russian losses were considerably higher mainly because Stalin thought Hitler would honour the Molotov pact he made with Hitler before the nazis invasion of Poland.Russia & Stalin were taken completeley by surprise that June of 41. As the Nazis advanced Russian Industry moved towards the Urals where the Lutwaffe could not touch it.D Day ONLY happened because Churchhill was notified the Russians were going on a Main offensive.Thats why the West went ahead
sumbarine 1 week ago
@sumbarine Sure the losses were bigger on the soviet side for like few days when the army was in chaos. You really cant think, that a paranoid person like Stalin didnt assume the possibility of German attack? Afterall Stalin was planning an attack on Germany. It was just a matter of time before one of them attacked. Germany just happened to be the one who attacked first. Sometimes attack is the best defence..
kaahaajaFIN 1 week ago
@kaahaajaFIN Stalin believed a war with Germany was inevitable further down the line but not in 41.Stalin believed Hitler had his hands tied in running over most of Europe & saw hitler having no beef with the Soviet Union
sumbarine 1 week ago
@sumbarine Surely he may have thought that an attack during these exact times is unlikely, but he didnt leave the western front unprotected. No General leaves a likely attack area undefended. And during that time, USSR had most of its troops doing nothing, because the lack of conflict zones. Those soldiers were in the western front.
kaahaajaFIN 1 week ago
@kingwalshy1989 Mussolini had a higher IQ than Hitler. Infact at genius level. Hitler just wanted all jews, homos, gypsies, communists wiped off the face of Europe. Hitler didn't have an agenda, whereas Mussolini wanted to recreate a Roman glory out of Italy but was betrayed by Hitler on a few levels.
Johnnystrychnine 1 week ago
@Johnnystrychnine Oh my gosh... you cant be serious? Are you really so naive that you think that Hitler wanted jews out of Europe, just because it is fun to exile them? He didnt have an agenda..? I suggest you to read some history.
Hitler wanted jews out from controlling Germany. Jews controlled German banks and a huge part of media. Jews wanted to make Germany capitalist or communist. Jews were the reason why germany was in trouble. Financial catastrophes and so on..
kaahaajaFIN 1 week ago
@kaahaajaFIN You are right and I did read that in a book somewhere. But that Hitler should make a claim that it was an agenda to exterminate Jews on the premise they wanted to create a capitalist Germany is not an agenda. That jews wanted to make germany jewish is an agenda Hitler was definitely opposed too. We are living in capitalist societies right? That is called economics that now Germany has adopted since the end of WW2. Jews were doing a positive thing, creating a strong economy 4 Germany
Johnnystrychnine 1 week ago
@Johnnystrychnine The word ''strong'' doesnt describe todays capitalistic Europe. There's nothing good in Europes capitalism. Lets take a look at what has changed in Germany after national socialism convertion back to capitalism:
Jews gained their hold back on the german banks and media. Ridiculous immigration (10,5 m immigr.) Class differences escalated. Huge amount of companies outsourced = unemployment. etc.
kaahaajaFIN 1 week ago
@Johnnystrychnine Jews caused major financial catastrophes in Germany, which took 6 million germans unemployed. Many germans lost their lifetime savings when reichs marks value dropped so low, that became common firewood.
Berlin was called ''the nest of vices'', because jews turned it into that. Many germans were shocked because Germany used to be strict. Jews introduced Germany to many vices, like masocism, sadism, reckless drinking and so on.
kaahaajaFIN 1 week ago
@kaahaajaFIN I find it hard to believe that Germans are or were so strict before or after WW2 that they never indulged in drunkeness, debauchery or profligate behaviour. Germans maybe strict and disciplined but they too have a reputation for partying hard. The depression in Germany occured without the Jews influence. Italy was in depression too at the time as was most of Europe. German political parties were all fighting for dominance, it was a mess of factions vying for electoral leadership.
Johnnystrychnine 19 hours ago
@Johnnystrychnine They had the preussian discipline. People used to drink civilized outdoors in public and if they wanted to get wasted, they did it civilized, out from other peoples eyes, indoors. People were terrified by the lack of discipline that had suddenly evolved. Especially older people remembered the discipline they used to have, but then Berlin had turned to a nest of vices.
The depression of Germany was jewish work.
kaahaajaFIN 9 hours ago
@kaahaajaFIN I think your Finnish side is showing in respect to the German character. I know or have known a few Germans and they are no the ''robotic'' type you are referring too. Yes they are hard working and do party hard but they are much quicker at opening up than say Japanese are. Actually, Germans do have a similarity with Italians, with the exception that Italians have a ''it can wait attitude'' Germans say ''it must be done now''.
Johnnystrychnine 9 hours ago
@kaahaajaFIN And I am curious to know how Jews created this WW2 monetary catastophe you talk about? Are you possibly saying that the economic collapse of 2008 and 2011 was also the fault of Jews? It is not an issue of pro Israeli defence. Capitalism never worked, even you stated it in one of your comments. What works for you them? Fascism? Nazism? Are you also claiming that the currenmt debt crisis is the fault of Jews?
Johnnystrychnine 19 hours ago
@Johnnystrychnine I think that the last economic collapse wasnt just a coincidence. Through an economic collapse, they can drive the world into ww3 and in the ruins of the world, they can set up the laws, to what they prefer.
The jewish media doesnt even show the event that are prelude to ww3, like here in Finland we havent been told about the Hormuz conflict not a single word. We havent been told about other conflicts there.
Israel and USA will destroy this all.
kaahaajaFIN 9 hours ago
@kaahaajaFIN WW3? what are you on about man? If the Jewish media own most of the media Empires on the globe what can you do, money has more influence than knowledge. Are you anti semitic? And what conflicts are you talking about, I have had no inkling or leakeage of information on WW3 in Australia. this is You tube so anything goes...
Johnnystrychnine 9 hours ago
@Johnnystrychnine First when Hitler came to power, he stripped all jews from power and that gave him free hands to rise Germany from jews deep depression and created jobs to those 6 million unemployed. Jews reacted to that by boycotting Germany..
but the boycot didnt affect Germany so much, because Germany was national socialistic, a self-sufficient country, which rose from the dusts of jewish controlled capitalistic debt hell, to a superpower full of happy citizens.
kaahaajaFIN 1 week ago
@kaahaajaFIN you idiot-southern Italy is dirt poor and still illiterate- no jew there but mafia--Canada with a lot of jewish people in high postion is gettting richer by the day same with Switzerland--you poor stupid italiens with your mafiosi regime and your catholic church can fuck yourselves--i prefer 1 jew to any of you neo nazi idots which are retarded idiots such as you
hyurgy123 1 week ago
@hyurgy123 Si signore, può andare a farti fottere. L'Italia è migliore di qualsiasi pezzo di terra merda vieni.
username1239994 1 week ago
@hyurgy123 Well im glad that you idiot prefer jews to anyone else. You deserve to die in their hands then. To them you are nothing more than a stupid workmule who can make them more wealth, till the day you die. Or you might be lucky and live long enough to die for them in ww3. Wars are nothing more than business and jewish bankers and arms dealers are the ones that profit from them. Wars are zionist jews' dark business.
kaahaajaFIN 1 week ago
@kaahaajaFIN you are an idiot-get a life
hyurgy123 6 days ago
@hyurgy123 Wow, that comment proved your stupidity! It's funny that you even tried to argue with me about that thing, when you propably knew that you know nothing about the subject and lack brains to argue with me about it o.O
kaahaajaFIN 6 days ago
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@hyurgy123 Wow, that comment proved your stupidity! It's funny that you even tried to argue with me about that thing, when you propably knew that you know nothing about the subject and lack brains to argue with me about it o.O
kaahaajaFIN 6 days ago
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@hyurgy123 Wow, that comment proved your stupidity! It's funny that you even tried to argue with me about that thing, when you propably knew that you know nothing about the subject and lack brains to argue with me about it o.O
kaahaajaFIN 6 days ago
@kaahaajaFIN No I am not Jewish, I am neither pro or against.
Johnnystrychnine 1 week ago
The Fins compared to their native population suffered one of the highest per capita casualties in the war.After giving(handing over) the Soviets 20 % of their land despite having the natural defensives to protect it,failing to help their German allies at leningrad despite pleas to do so(their uselessness)being just outside of the city,& being useless up near Murmansk,they turned against the Germans & handed them over to their Masters the Soviets in Lapland.They truly were the joke of the north
sumbarine 1 month ago
the German army was not good.Blitzkrieg a new kind of warfare led to early success.Many countries didn^t build their armies in the 30s like Ger because of the belief a dreaded WW1 would never happen again.2 million germans were court martialled for cowardice by German gov^t in WWII.They killed many innocent civillians to install fear to fool people they were unique.However their House Of Cards fell & fell hard.
sumbarine 1 month ago
In the1930's everybody had a dictator, Stalin, Hitler, Franco and yes even 4 term Roosevelt! Mussolini, was a 'hero' in the US, the US social security based on Italian plan. Even songs were written in US praising him. Brits, French, US had colonies all over world, they were incensed when Ethiopia was re-invaded by Italy. Italian people disliked Germans from WWI! The Italian people mostly wanted to be neutral like the Swiss. War and alliance w/ NAZIs unpopular.Benito's 1st choice was ally w/ US.
cleoshepardchou 1 month ago
Di sicuro agli italiani nella seconda guerra mondiale non e mancato il coraggio ma i mezzi, l'esercito italiano all'entrata in guerra possedeva munizioni sufficenti per appena qualche mese e carri armati e artiglieria obsoleti,non c'e da stuporsi che siamo stati sconfitti.
OrsoBartholomew100 1 month ago
All you people saying the italian army was the worst know absoultely nothing. The italians fought for 5 years! Not properly equipt, in a war they didn't want to be apart of.. Not to mention not a 1st world country at the time but still lasted longer then the french army which fell in weeks.
noblacksnoproblem 1 month ago 10
@noblacksnoproblem these gentlemen say Italian army was the worst in WW2; but, for example, I didn't recall any other army leading a SUCCESFUL CAVALRY CHARGE of 300 men against 2000 during WW2... but of course nobody knows about Isbuscenskij just as nobody knows about Alessandria, Keren, Tobruk, the Mareth Line, El Alamein and many others... Just let them talk. Ignorance and hate do not change history.
PickBit 1 month ago
@PickBit Before we talk about those battles, we need to remember that Italy lost the war in Africa december 1940 when British forces launched Operation Compass where 115 000 Italian soldiers surrendered to 36 000 British soldiers...
puju1234 1 month ago
@puju1234 It was not a single episode where those men fough in one single battle. They where scattered in several fortresses across Libia, they were poorly organized with little communication between them and most importantly lacked the means to stop british tanks. Italian tankettes got destroyed by the Mathildas without even being able to enter firing range and even if they managed, their shells could not pierce their opponent's armor... You should iclude these details next time...
PickBit 1 month ago
@PickBit And all those things makes Italian army bad. I take again Finland for a example. In winter war Finland had 20 tanks. What our army did? Invented molotov coctail and problem was solved. You have to be very stupid to fight in desert without proper tanks and antitank guns. And if Italians didnt fought in 1 single battle then either did 36 000 british soldiers. In that Operation Italians had 200 000 soldiers and British 36 000 and nothing will change that fact.
puju1234 1 month ago
@puju1234 Yet you never mention the battles and brave actions the Italians did.
shame on you.
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@FGalaxie I just mentioned about that battle because after that battle Italy lost the war in North-Africa.
puju1234 1 month ago
@puju1234 Speaking of molotov cocktails look up what the folgore did at El-Alamein: fought british tanks with molotovs and HAND CARRIED anti tank mines which the soldiers put right under the tanks using fox holes as their only cover... If that's being bad soldiers...
Your statement about being very stupid to fight without weapons is not worth answering... Like they had a choice... think before you type please...
PickBit 1 month ago
@PickBit Wow amazing, Italian soldiers fighting against british tanks with molotov coctails and mines. Finland didnt even had mines, only weapon against tank was molotov coctail and huge wood logs. It was everyday business to Finland fight with molotov coctails.
And how my statement was stupid? You talked about army, and Italian army were commanded by Mussolini. Mussolini started offensive operations in North-Afrika which was stupid move, they shouldnt never attack against allies.
puju1234 1 month ago
@puju1234 -.-... So what? How does that make italian soldiers bad? Finland did not fight in North africa without water nor in Siberian winter without boots for that matter... But this is useless and besides the point, both armies did what they had to do to make the best of their situation.
If you are talking about Mussolini's chioces I agree with you totally, but we were talking about soldiers here as I recall... If a leader makes poor choices that does not make the soldiers bad...
PickBit 1 month ago
@PickBit But you were talking in earlier postes about how good Italian army was in WW2. Here is quote from it, "these gentlemen say Italian army was the worst in WW2; but, for example, I didn't recall any other army leading a SUCCESFUL CAVALRY CHARGE of 300 men against 2000 during WW2".
Army isnt only about the soldiers, its technology,commanders and equipment too. Although I dont think Italian soldiers werent that good, there was much better soldiers in WW2.
puju1234 1 month ago
@puju1234 I hate to break it to you but your statement makes Finnish army look quite bad too...
Anyway this is not important; what I meant is that Italian army was not at all as bad as some people say, because, if nothing else, it had fine soldiers, some of them had even elite training (folgore, MAS commandos, alpine troops) of the kind that allowed 6 men to sink 2 battleships (Valiant and Queen Elizabeth) at Alexandria harbor in 1941...
Did I explain myself this time?
PickBit 1 month ago
@PickBit I havent said that Finnish army was good in WW2. If we talking about best armies in WW2, my choice would be Japan and Germany.
puju1234 1 month ago
@puju1234 I agree. the "Green Devils" (Fallschirmjager) were perhaps the best regular unit in the whole war and there's certainly no doubt about the German armored divisions. On the other hand the Japanese Imperial Navy was second to none in terms of quality, not even british
PickBit 1 month ago
@noblacksnoproblem Don^t listen to those ignorant fools.Italy only had 1/10 economic production compared to Brit & France.France fell in weeks,Brit had 300,000 running for their lives at Dunkirk.Italy (not prepared)at least stood ground for 3 yrs. At Gazala 35,000 Allies surrendered to italian General Navariini^s^s 30,000 men.At Mersa Matruh the italians badly outnumbered & hardly any tanks broke thru & captured 6,000 brits.Mussolini was warned Italy was not ready
sumbarine 1 month ago 3
@noblacksnoproblem bulgarian army never lost a flag since 1878, dude .So don't explane me the FACTS ...
Hirewithus1 1 month ago
@noblacksnoproblem My grandfather's father and brother got taken away by the Nazis. The father didn't go but the brother did. He went to a concentration camp where he starved so much he ate is own belt. No one died from the Nazis. My grand father stayed in a hole for 8 years. He was only 5 when the war started. He only had stale bread and potatoes to eat. That's why to this day he is very small. He's okay though. : )
My grandfather almost got shot from the Nazi's!
mxims97 5 days ago
@noblacksnoproblem oh c'mon,they had problems with invasion of Albania and Greece,if it wasn't for Hitler,Italians would be like France,fall in few weeks...
Duke0Forever 2 days ago
Sono onorato di essere italiano un esempio la Battaglia di El Alamein
I Paracadutisti Italiani della Folgore resisterono per ben tredici giorni SENZA CEDERE UN METRO, senza acqua e senza cibo Stremati, e senza munizioni, continuarono a combattere andando all’attacco degli inglesi e altri eserciti con il solo pugnale Churchill rese omaggio al valore dimostrato dai soldati italiani dobbiamo inchinarci davanti ai resti di quelli che furono i leoni della Folgore
theiceman10100 1 month ago 3
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what's missing in your country to take it with Italian???girls?sport victories?good food or great cars??,history,sun,music??remember when we build aqueducts and we had hot baths in the spa you granfather was paint his face blue,barbarian!coglione.
sardosfish 1 month ago
Italians arrived in Yugoslavia in 1941. they fleed in 1943. They were destroyed by peasants,farmers,villagers.....
mirza007gamer 1 month ago
@mirza007gamer Not true at all The Alpini on Anti partisan action burnt down village after village on antipartisan action.
Then the Serb Boxheads were put in the Croatian concentration camp.
FGalaxie 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@mirza007gamer ,,,sometimes we can't see with the eyes of that period, I'd bet that no one knew the real causes of that war, that invasion...but one thing I can tell you easily, of course Italy made a mistake invading another country, but honestly it seems that most of the countries of this world never learned that war is the worst thing you can do....Am I wrong?
senna60 1 month ago
Poor ignorants italians clowns: dead for nothing...
ganlesat 1 month ago
@ganlesat Spics should keep quiet
FGalaxie 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
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@ganlesat what's missing in your country to take it with Italian???girls?sport victories?good food or great cars??,history,sun,music??remember when we build aqueducts and we had hot baths in the spa you granfather was paint his face blue,barbarian!coglione.
sardosfish 1 month ago
@ganlesat where are you from?
mckappe 1 month ago
@KristianCramer the Italians put out of action the carrier HMS llustrious allowing Rommel to arrive safely in Africa & yes the Germans saved the Italians in Greece but the Italians returned the favour when the Trieste Div. saved DAK from complete capitulation in late May 1942! & yes the Greeks were in deep trouble in early 1941 forcing Wavell to send tank & infantry units to Cairo ready for embarkation for Greece thus robbing him of the chance of taking all of Libya before the arrival of Rommel.
MrPaulmancuso 1 month ago
@MrPaulmancuso So if the germans had not supported the italians in greece, the germans wouldnt have been able to support them in egypt because by then the whole italian army in most of north africa would have been overrun. by a force far smaller than their own.
Is that what you are saying?
Vegge123 1 month ago
Italian soldiers fought against frenchs, americans, russians, greeks, indians, britannics, south africans for 5 years; not bad for the worst army of ww2...
MaestraleF570 2 months ago
@KristianCramer According to James J. Sadkovich (Univ. of Southern Mississippi Pr.) the British offensive had been checked after the fall of Beda Fomm through the heavy loss of tanks & trucks through direct action & wear & tear. At the same time, the Italian army bought valuable time for Rommel & 15th Panzer to arrive in Libya by going on the offensive in Greece & East Africa forcing Gen. Wavell to divert infantry & tanks units to the affected areas.
MrPaulmancuso 2 months ago
@MrPaulmancuso If you are refering to the stalemate caused by the greek victory in the greco-italian war which lead to the germans having to send over 600000 men to support the italians in invading greece, you still support my claim of italia having the worst army.
Pretty much every major confrontation during ww2 which involved the italians without german support, the italians lost.
KristianCramer 2 months ago
@KristianCramer yes they were poor as a second world country against the whole British empire they still managed to keep going for a while.
ItaloGallese 1 month ago
@ItaloGallese with the help of germany. without the german army, the italians wouldnt even have lasted 18 months.
You are saying it like the went up against "the whole british empire" all by themselves. Everywhere the italians fought, they needed german support.
Vegge123 1 month ago
@Vegge123 Of course. Its true they would have folded earlier. Italy was a second world country.....didnt have the industrial capacity of the UK. It was hardly likely that it could fight UK, NZ, Oz, Canada, India etc .....they were reliant upon Germany. Bit of a mismatch
ItaloGallese 1 month ago
probably the worst army of ww2..
KristianCramer 2 months ago
@KristianCramer The worst was French army, destroyed in few weeks...
MaestraleF570 2 months ago
@MaestraleF570 -- Agreed. France Army = Failure
the82spartans 2 months ago
@MaestraleF570 The downfall of the french army was caused by superior german tactics.
The french army was combined with the british expeditionary force was in equal numbers to the german army.
Read up on Operation compass.. 36000 brits vs 150000 italians. the brits captured around 100000 of the italian troops.. if that's not a shit italian army, i dont know what it is..
The italians suffered worse casualities too...
KristianCramer 2 months ago
@KristianCramer Of course it was poor. Badly equipped, poor tanks not enough lorries/transportation, poorly trained and badly led. They were stuck in static positions with no serious anti tank guns....simply attacked one by one.
ItaloGallese 1 month ago
@KristianCramer Read up at Gazzala 35,000 allies surrendering to General italian Navarrini^s 30,000 men or Badly outnumbered the italians breaking thru at Mersa Mertruh & capture 6,000 brits.Compass ? with out of date equipment the Brits heard what the ITAs were up to.Of course 100,000 Brits surrendering to 25,000 japs at Sin gapore Feb 42 on top of the 50,000 surrendering in Malaysia don^t count.Or 300,000Brits running for their lives at dunkirk 1940 either.
sumbarine 1 month ago 7
@KristianCramer The worst would have been the Americans if they had come in at the start of the war.
But in typical Americn style, they come in late enough to build up their weapons.
Just in time to pick the bones over.
FGalaxie 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@FGalaxie And in what universe is, waiting to enter a war due to a limited force, a bad move?
KristianCramer 2 months ago
@KristianCramer Then they act like such heroes that saved the world.
Really just vile opprtunists.
FGalaxie 2 months ago
@KristianCramer Slovaks, Hungarians were worse.
Denmark even have an army?
FGalaxie 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@FGalaxie yeah they do. what is your point?
KristianCramer 2 months ago
According to author Walter S. Zapotoczny (a graduate of the U.S. Army Sergeant Majors' Academy) Rommel was on the verge of surrender in the last week of May 1942! However the Trieste Division came to the rescue and thus prevented the early exit of the Afrika Korps from the North African Campaign. (Source: Italy's North African Misadventure)
MrPaulmancuso 2 months ago
@MrPaulmancuso Yes, I think that was at the Gazala line when Rommel had flanked the Brits from the south(as usual) and then found himself trapped against the minefields. He was looking at surrendering when the Italians worked there way thru the minefields and resucued them.
dancinkindofguy 2 months ago
The Italians held their lines as the Germans invaded Greece, defeating the Yugoslav army attempts to knock them out of Albania. Later in the battle for Crete Italian bombers from 50 Gruppo sank the British destoyer HMS Juno. Thanks to Italian dive bombers that damaged and forced the carrier HMS Illustrious to withdraw for repairs on 11 January 1941, Rommel and the 15th Panzer was able to begin deploying safely to Libya. Without the Italian pilots we would never have heard of the Afrika Korps.
MrPaulmancuso 2 months ago
@MrPaulmancuso Without Italian pilots we would never have heard of the Afrika Korps? Without Italians we wouldnt heard Afrika Korps, because if they could have handle North-Afrika alone Germans wouldnt had to go in there. Well I understand that if your 150 000 soldiers surrenders to 36 000 brits, your pretty much screwd then.
puju1234 1 month ago
General Rommel was so impressed with the performance of the 7th Bersaglieri Regiment in the battles of Mersa Matruh and Alamein that he had the following words inscribed in a monument to them, 'The German soldier impressed the world, the Italian bersaglieri impressed the German soldier!'
MrPaulmancuso 2 months ago
The Italian Army sucked in WW2 - the Allies are lucky they weren't up as efficient as the Germans or the Japanese or WW2 would of been a lot longer or may have ended differently
ChiefsBulls587 2 months ago
@ChiefsBulls587 They werent as bad as the propaganda says.
FGalaxie 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@FGalaxie You still defending Italian soldiers. I have talked with you about this and obviously your very angry if somebody says in here "Italian army sucked in WW2". Why is it so hard for you? So many people have said here that Italian army was bad and you just have to keep defending them. Face the facts my friend.
puju1234 2 months ago
@puju1234 Why do people from insignificant countries like yours feel they need to comment? SO many people believe the same old Anglo spread propaganda and lies, which is wrong.
Face the facts my non friend. The Italian forces fought btavely in several areas.
Its just a shame they are used as a scapegoat by some Germanic Peoples.
FGalaxie 2 months ago
@FGalaxie So your saying that it was Germans fault that Italy couldnt Invade the Greeks alone and took heavy casualties from Greeks who fought poorly equipped. It was Germans fault that 10th army was completely destroyed and 115 000 Italian soldiers surrendered to 36 000 british soldiers?
Probally they fought bravely, but the skill just wasnt there and there is no way you can wash the truth that Italy in WW2 was a flopp. Kill and Death ratio was horrible for Italy.
puju1234 2 months ago
@puju1234 Maybe you should learn to read English better...might help.
Was it the Italians fault that the so perfect and brilliant German generals would not stand up to Hitler and his idiotic decisions? Was it the Italians fault the Germans stole all their transports in Africa leaving them stranded?
Greece was a mistake that should not have happened. But the good things did, why dont you mention those? Italy should have stayed neutral.
FGalaxie 2 months ago
0 until 1:10 was RSI soldier, not Royal Italian Army
Guips3333 2 months ago
My granfather...missed in action in russia in december '42. He wasn't a fascist, he just was in his twenty in the wrong period. He served in the alpini regiment, 2nd alpini division Tridentina.
sesanalorenzo 2 months ago
@sesanalorenzo ...same for the germans, not every soldier was a nazi ... but most of italian and germans has supported and elected Mussolini/Hitler
gtrebron 2 months ago
@gtrebron of course that is what happen when most of the people are ignorant and not fully aware of what is happenig all around them. we gotta remind, that was a world where many people was completly illiterate and frighteningly poor, so I cant blame them so much. while I blame people that nowaday, still convinced that fascism, nazism it a good solution for every problem. Nowaday, in the western country we've got availeable thousants ways to understand our times and the past!
sesanalorenzo 2 months ago
a problem ist that very very (!!!) many italians are proud of there fascits past and mussolini ... look at berlusconi today (even is a dictator mind like Hitler) .... italy has not learned about history, like the german .... very sad!!!!
gtrebron 2 months ago
@gtrebron I think you need to understand that it was a CIVIL WAR...Italy was ...and IS divided
ItaloGallese 2 months ago
@gtrebron What the fuck are you talking about???
Berlusconi is simply an elected official. The head of a centre right wing coalition.
If you are going to talk about Italy, do some research.
FGalaxie 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@FGalaxie you misunderstand me... if berlusconi where born 60 years earlier, he could became a second Hitler because he has the same charakter... i dont have to do researc... i'm italian whit a german motherlanguage. i live between german and italian world so i see the difference
gtrebron 2 months ago
@gtrebron Arent you overdoing it a bit? like a lot.
The left in italy are even worse. want to give the country away to the africans and illegal immigrants.
FGalaxie 2 months ago
@FGalaxie in southtyrol - a part of italy - italy spend actualy millions of euros to renovate Mussolini/faschist victory Monuments from 1920.... and in rome the have no money! just to thing about
gtrebron 2 months ago
@gtrebron Part of history, they should be preserved.
Better to spend it there than to waist it on those southern trash mafiosi.
FGalaxie 2 months ago
@FGalaxie ... so you thing in germany would be better to preserve Hitler icons in “Public space“ (!!) to preserve history?
gtrebron 2 months ago
@gtrebron Differnt countries, different types of government.
Hitlers government was a lot more evil. Some of Hitlers things should be preserved, to not do them again.
FGalaxie 2 months ago
per chi non si arrende BOIA CHI MOLLA
roberik1 2 months ago
All the negative propaganda against Italy really is sad.
Just be respectful. Is it that impposible to do.
Research Italy in WW2, instead of sprouting the same old anti propaganda.
FGalaxie 2 months ago
FUCKIN COWARDS! ITALIANS WERE WHINNY SOLDIERS IN WW2. IN STALINGRAD ITALIANS SURRENDERED WHEN THEY HAD ENOUGH FOOD SHELTER AND WEAPONS!! GERMANS AND ROMANIANS CONTINUED FIGHTING WHEN THEY WERE STARVING AND HAD NO AMMUNITION
MaskedTehGamer 3 months ago
@MaskedTehGamer Shut up kid. IF you think you are that much braver then why don't you assign yourself to the military and get your arse in Afghanistan?
You americans were not any better at the beginning of the war. When Rommel first got contact with American soldiers at North Africa he said. "I can't believe we lost against these people in WW1."
VictumRoManius 3 months ago
@MaskedTehGamer And I'm guessing you would make a better soldier? Not when you spend all your time on YouTube posting bullshit like that.
Gli americani pensano sempre di sapere tutto.
Io non sono italiano e credo che tu sei un stronzo
Viva Italia e Grecia!
Bako7295 2 months ago
@MaskedTehGamer Why were they praised by Stalin then?
By churchil and Rommel also.
FGalaxie 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@MaskedTehGamer idiot... at side of germans were rumenians and ungarians... italians were not in stalingrad. they were defeated in little saturn operation after the stalingrad battle. and they had to retreat because the rumenians and ungarians soldiers guarding the flank of armir were fleeing
maury8130 2 months ago
@maury8130 Plus that they had very few modern equipment. There wasn't even enough adequate weapons to go up against Soviet armor.
SuperBomber01 2 months ago
@maury8130 And croatians.
The Italians fell back to a new defensive position and fought hard.
But its all Hitlers fault, Von paulis kept asking to retreat , Hitler would not let them.
FGalaxie 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@maury8130 italians were not in stalingrad?? ....of course they were!!
Prettyboy1694 2 months ago 2
@MaskedTehGamer Stick to games for underdeveloped teenagers. They had summer boots on, artillery from WW1, singkle shot riflesof 1891 and at one point 57 tanks aganst 750 tanks. It was a massacre.
ItaloGallese 2 months ago
Senza munizioni, mezzi corazzati e artiglieria i nostri soldati resistettero per mesi all'offensiva alleata, contro mortai, carri crusader e supporto aereo. Se stavano dalla parte sbagliata, non era colpa loro: in quanto a eroismo e sacrificio, gli italiani furoni i migliori.
ForsakenRainMan527 3 months ago
Once again idiots post---the dutch,who could never defend their country,even the Romans avoided going there cause its a ugly country.The greeks--where Venice & Geonoa occupiedtheir land for centuries,After Lepanto were Italy & her allies destoid the Turks,the turks were afraid to touch Italy.The Slovenesmany were of the 500,000 captured at Vittorio veneto by ITA where not only Austia Hungary got destroid but Ger was forced to surrender shortly after this in WW 1. This was confirmed by Ludendorf
sumbarine 3 months ago
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@sumbarine the dutch defeated the english in a few sea-battles even burning an english fleet in England--a dutch prince invaded England and became king of England--the dutch also very much defeated the french at Waterloo together with the prussians-Wellington was losing battle when the prussians arrived--the germans fought 3 years in Russian and didn't retreat befor outnumbered 7 to 1, 139thousand brits therwhile surrendered to 36thousand japanese on bycycles
hyurgy123 3 months ago
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@sumbarine the brits surrendered 300thousand cossack refugees to Stalin at the end of WW2--also they sacrified their czech and polish allies to the nazis--40thousand boer childrern and women were starved to death in british concentration camps because the brits couldn't defeat the boer freedom-fighters. the war-loser lord Kitchener was declared a war hero by Britian for having starved 40thousand civilians to death--HEIL KITCHENER
hyurgy123 3 months ago
my grandpa was in the italian navy in ww2 but in lives in the u.s. now
TheVinman117 4 months ago
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"Axis forces also made a breakthrough on Highway 13, where the Italians of the Centauro Division spearheaded the attack. In the early morning hours, the Italians pressed their offensive, broke through the remains of the American line, and continued up Highway 13. " (Brian Murphy, Facing The Fox, America In WWII, April 2006) PROOF THAT ITALIANS DEFEATED AMERICANS AT KASSERINE PASS!!!
MrPaulmancuso 4 months ago
Siamo i migliori!|
86albatros 4 months ago
Yes the whole of the Afrika Korps would've capitulated in early June 42 had it not been for the Trieste Division that braved artillery fire and air attacks to rescue the incompetent Rommel! Jerries didn't even have enough men to take Mersa Matruh in late June 42. It was the 7th Bersaglieri that frightened into surrender some 6,500 elite troops there. The Bersaglieri with Centauro later rounded like sheep some 1,500 New Zealanders left behind in the desert.
MrPaulmancuso 4 months ago
Guess who saved Rommel's arse during Operazione Venezia? It was the Trieste Division! He was about to surrender the whole of the Afrika Korps! Dumb idiot had run out of petrol! Yes google it, or better still study military history. Guess which army shepherded like sheep into cages some 8,000 Gurkha, Maori, Punjabi and British troops? It was the 7th Bersaglieri & Littorio Division!
MrPaulmancuso 4 months ago
italy was defeated after 4 years of war..france in 3 weeks
ondasuondaable 4 months ago
@ondasuondaable Yea and who defeated france ? not italy ? and who defeated greece ?? not italy and who took north africa ? NOT ITALY ?????????
Robinho0405 4 months ago
@Robinho0405 The Dutch army did nothing & stood idly buy in Sbrennica in 1995 as the Sebs massacred the Bosnians. The Dutch army were responsible in controlling the area & did not fire a shot or show resistance when troble occured(much like in WW1 & WW II or when Napoleon a Corsican of Italian nobility occupied),in other words thet were scared shitless.They join the Brits--300,0000 running for their lives at Dunkirk or Germans,300,000 surrendering in less than 2wks to Russians in Op Bagration
sumbarine 3 months ago
Italian army sucks as always the germans needed to help them out and they lost from speermans fighting for napoleon WTF ?
Robinho0405 4 months ago
@Robinho0405 Just like the Dutch needed the Americans British Canadians,Russians to help them out in WWII,where was the Dutch army,hypocritical asshole ?
sumbarine 3 months ago
These men were brave and powerful fighters. They outshined the supposedly powerful Nazis (who were admitedly formidable) many times. But now a new manga called "Hetalia" has come out, with the countries personified. Of them, Italy is a coward and a crybaby, litearally taking a white flag into battle. It makes me sick that the Japanese have no respect for their former allies - especially when they themselves did so terribly during the war.
SpadaccinoLuciano 5 months ago
Goodfor nothing Italians! Germans were better off alone!
Pinkchyo 5 months ago
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ondasuondaable 4 months ago
One of the Biggest disaster disgraces of WWII after the 100,000 Brits/Aust surrendering to 25,000 japs in Singapore in Feb 42 was the German army facing the Red Army in June 44.In less than 2 weeks over 300,000 germans were killed captured & wounded in operation Bagration. Many surrendered without much of a fight,57,000 were paraded in Moscow.Over 2,000,0000 German soldiers were court martialled
sumbarine 5 months ago
@sumbarine As historian Professor Richard Evans(Gersham College) pointed out,there were over 3,000,000(sorry not the 2 million alluded above) court martials in the Nazi/German army mostly for cowardice. Nazi crimes such as rape,plunder & pillage were not persecuted. A whopping 3 million !!! mostly for cowardice. A new attack strategy was employed(blitzkrieg) & hence the F-L-U-K-E success of Nazi Germany military for a few years.True armies/victors are those that hold out for centuries(R-O-M-E!!
sumbarine 5 months ago
@dregh94cr you dont give them much credit. Remember that Hitler agreed that he would not go to war without Mussolini knowing and only after Italy was ready. Italy was just beginning to get back on its feet from economic collapse from the First World War. Italy has been war torn for centuries and divided. The fact they honored the alliance and pressed on speaks volumes of the Italian people, their honor, and their courage! I was blessed to be born with the rich blood of Rome beating in me!
Peidmonte89 5 months ago
niente armi anticarro (max 47mm),niente radar,cattivi aeroplani,tank pessimi,artiglieria della ww1,niente proiettili traccianti,niente priettili AP,fucili della ww1,chi voleva un mitra MAB lo pagava 1000 lire..serve altro?Le divisioni italiane discretamente equipaggiate : divisione Folgore,Divisione Ariete,Corpo d'armata alpino,x^ flottiglia MAS,i caccia Macchi mc 202 Folgore diedero splendida prova di se e si fecero MACELLARE ma non si arresero meritando l'onore delle armi ..
JarlaxeBaenree 5 months ago
I must admit that Italian soldiers fought several times brave in ww2 !!!!!but also they have lost many battles, and sometimes having numerical superiority in men and weapons as in North Africa and Greece in 1940!!!!!when the italians attacked Greece The Greek army stopped them and defeated them in all the battles they gave!! Eventually the Germans came and saved Italy from the humiliation!!!! :)
trekk2011 5 months ago
@trekk2011 Didn^t the Italian kingdoms of Venice & Genoa own/occupied Greeek lands for 4 centuries ?
While Italy was pushed back from Greece it held Ground in Albania,The italians didn^t surrender.When the Germans invaded Greece,the Greek army was held up fighting the Italians in Albania so the Germans had a cakewalk
sumbarine 5 months ago
@sumbarine Yes that's true but the Byzantine empire occupied Italy from 535 until 1071 especially the South part..!!!! Just history. And don't make me say about the Greek cities in Italy which were older than Rome!!!! And in 1941 the Greeks held the last big italian offensive in the Albanian front...if the Germans had not gotten involved in war with Greece is sure that we would have throw the italians to the sea!!!!:)
trekk2011 5 months ago
@trekk2011 First of all your called Greece because Rome gave you that name. Second of all I know of some small greek settlements in the southern Italian coast but in the end Rome(Italy being its territory w special status),Venice,Genoa had Greek lands for centuries on end.As far as what would of resulted in the Greek vs Italian showdown had the Germans not invaded,you & I don^t know.The Italians didn^t surrender.Mussolini gave the army only 12 days to prepare,the Generals were expecting 3 months
sumbarine 5 months ago
@trekk2011 Your called Greece because Rome gave you that name.Rome(or Italy since it had special status being a territory of Rome),Venice,Genoa held most Greek lands for centuries on end.We don^t know what would of happened if Germans did not invade.Italians did not surrender & Mussolini gave only 12 days prep to invade,his Generals were expecting 3 months preparation.Yes i know of some greek settlements along the southern italian coast,inwards were italic tribes.Byzantium is cool,no complaints
sumbarine 5 months ago
@sumbarine The Greek army wasn't ready and it was very smaller but the soldiers fight soo brave that Winston Churchill says ( If we there had not been the virtue and courage of the Greeks, we do not know which the outcome of WW2 would had been.) and (Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but the heroes fight like Greeks)!!! Those two phrases are say it all....!!!
trekk2011 5 months ago
@trekk2011 Italy invaded Greece in Oct 41,The generals needed 20 div but only had 8 in albania.Idiot Mussolini had disbanded 600,000 troops 3 weeks before,a 3 month prep was needed according to his Generals,only 12 days were given.when Italy invaded in Oct they had intial success but by mid Nov the Greeks outnumbered the Italians 2 to 1. A suuccessful Greek counterattack drove them back,when ITAs established numerical parity they stopped them in Albania.I do not agree w attack on Greece
sumbarine 5 months ago
@sumbarine Ok :) that's good!!!!!! War is a very bad thing which destroys the people psychologically and physically...!!!!is not necessity of fighting by humans!!!!
trekk2011 5 months ago