occult nonsense. Makedoni comes from "great" Don tribe, Scynthians from river Don and not "greeks" . Trojans were Veneti and Hatti tribes and not Greeks also, instead "Orthodox" "historians" think" (belie) they were Greeks also.
Since scientists and linguists cannot reconstruct one language based on 100 glosses, it is unsupportive to make decisions and assertions that some ancient language is hypothetically doric dialect or belongs to a neighbouring dialectological system (doric, aeolic etc.). I don't propagate the thesis of slavic origin of macedonian language, I just want to make clear that there is no foundation whatsoever with the claims concocted in the published video.
It should be mentioned that the majority of the names of Macedonians from the ancient period are those of members of the ruling dynasty or the aristocracy who consciously identified with the sphere of Hellenic culture so that it is in no way strange that the names of the majority of them are Greek. But alongside them are to be found Macedonian names which cannot be explained by means of Greek etymology.
When something looks similar, it doesn't mean it's completely the same. Since Ancient Greek was a language of greate prestige in the old world, borrowings from Greek was naturally occuring phenomena. Among 100 macedonian glosses, there are word not identifiable by standard hellenic etymology (e.g.: aliza "a white layer under the bark of a tree", Slavonic e/oa xa; Mac. goda "innards", Gk. entera, Old Indian Sanskrit gudam "intestine"; Mac. pella "stone", Germ. Fels < + pel-sa, etc.).
Ancient Macedonians were distinct ethnicity. The language they spoke was different, it wasn't a dialect or idiom of koine or whatever. Ancient hellenic writers made a clear distinction when they used a verb μακεδονίζω meaning "I speak Macedonian or I go in with Macedonians". They also used this verbal forms to imply dialectical (local) hellenic speeches as ἀττικίζω, θεσσαλίζω, as well as θρᾳκιστί or μακεδονιστί to point out the alien element they refer to, speaking Thracian or Macedonian.
the ancient Macedonians spoke and wrote Greek. Now the fyromians ''found'' an ancient ''Macedonian'' language to the Rosette stone. It's a matter for psychiatry and not a linguistic matter
@VendPrekmurec True...they was veneti..and veneti are slavens...i event think it was (Slo)Venet(z)i...but anyway we agree in this...veneti=slanes...macedon language=slaven..ancient macedon never existed...
@JimmyBarca Macedonia comes from the tribes of DON (people from river DON - in modern Russia)... Jews and occultists and also "historians" know about "Don or Dan tribes" (the historians have compiled the tribe to "ancient" hebrews or "lost tribe of Dan" - which is also known to freemasonry )
Hellenes knew Don people as "Danoi". Correct name was Donsi or Dontsi, Doni - a pure white race, hyperboreans....
@JimmyBarca so... "MakeDonia" comes from "Maha" (raz-Mah, Maha - "expansion, big" (compare with MahaBharata) and Donia comes from people of Don river. Again they were not Hellenes, but in other sources also known as "Veneti, Venedi"
@JimmyBarca the occultists and different "elites", will always try to destroy and hide the original history... they have done the same to Russians... They continue with expansion; under NATO (the anti missile shield around Russia is 1. step. Later they will occupy it with all resources they have. )
@JimmyBarca in ancient times also Macedonia was part of great kingdom called Tartaria, in other sources also known as "Hyperborea"... Macedonia was originally its provinze, but later became part of Hellenic provinces. The enemy has attacked also Ilios (Troja). But Troja was originally also part of Venetic tribes(Homer's "Enedae" = Venedae; old Greeks did not speak letter V; so also "VIlios" (Vilos or Veles - Volos - Vol - (Bull) - Taurus (Telec) city (Ba'al - Veles) became known as "Ilios"
@JimmyBarca "historians" have at archeologic finding of Troja destroyed many pottery. Why? Because on the artifacts was engraved the symbol of Swastika or Swarga - Svarga... Which was old Venetic (proto Slavic) symbol of Triglav or also called (on runes i read) as "TRIMUZIADI or TRIMUSHIADI" (which means "3 men" (Trimurti) = Trojan god (3); Veles (Ilios) - Bull, Perun (also known to Hittites) and Svarog or Varuna/Svarun...
@JimmyBarca term "Venet" means "Ven-it" or "Van et", "Van est" (old "est" is jest, je - ist - is ) and "Van" means "outside" (migration -out; to old Rasenes (Veneti) always known as "Paska" (Easter); migration from North pole "PASSing"... (Easter predates Christian "religion" ). Second name was "Great night" or "Uskrs"(krsnut - "to enliven". So Aryan god was "Krst-na" or to Hindus known today still as "Krishna" and to Christians as "Christ"... when Christian Christ was derived from jews
@JimmyBarca so who are Biblical "GOG AND MAGOG"... ? yes they are all pure white races - hyperboreans (children of Ba'al- Taurus or Veles - (V)Ilios) they are old Slavs and especially Russians... that's why their "pagan " (pagan is a mockery still today to those who do not worship Yehowa or Osiris - Bacchus - Dyonisis or Bakasura (Asura in India )) history was compiled to Torah and to new Byzantine Christian history... you have no idea that over 19 million of old "pagan" Slavs were killed
@JimmyBarca under Byzantine Sanhendrin and to Teutons (masonic gothic(later became known as "germanic") occult order)... including women, children, old men were - burned alive or simply cut their throuts out. This was REAL "Blessing of Yehowa or Iliah"... of course church will never show this to the public... they must keep this in secret, what they've done to white race or to "barbarians"
---Έτσι κατά τον 5ο αι. πΧ από το ανακάτεμα αυτό !Ιλλυριούς, Φρύγες, Παίονες, Μολοσσούς κλπ) σχηματίστηκε η Mακεδονική φυλή που είχε δική της γλώσσα και ξεχώριζε από τους άλλους λαούς της Βαλκανικής"
---Οι Έλληνες όμως, αν και οι Μακεδόνες βασιλιάδες καθώς και οι αυλικοί και οι ευγενείς μιλούσαν την ελληνική γλώσσα και ισχυρίζονταν πως κατάγονταν από τους Ηρακλείδες, τους χαρακτήριζαν β α ρ β α ρ ο υ ς και α λ λ ό φ υ λ ο υ ς"
FYROM nationalists are racists that are anti-Macedonians. No Macedonian would want to speak a language other than that of their own ancestors. All the do is relabel "Bulgarian" into "Macedonian" and hide evidence of their own ethnic Bulgarian roots.
"We are Bulgarians" (ethnic Bulgarian IMRO leader Gotse Delchev)
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.'(FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov in interview to Ottawa Citizen Newspaper 24 February 1999)
Dude you can't read a single word of the Greek found on countless ancient Macedonian artifacts and are in denial over your ethnic Bulgarian past, and are lecturing Greeks about fact or fiction?
Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"
@GemistusPletho how can all the modern Macedonians are slavs who came to the Balkans in the 6 century AD and all the modern greeks be hellenes direct descendants of the ancient Greeks?
Any (ROMA) can become a greek by accepting the greek indoctrination! and is learning to speak the Greek language
And couldn't I say any ethnic Bulgarian can become "Macedonian" simply by accepting Gruevski's indocternation? Furthermore, since you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians now claim to be "Macedonians", why pray tell wouldn't you want to be able to read and speak the language of your own ancestors?
Do Jews (who have mixed more than Greeks) give Muslim names to their children? Do Jews give Arabic names to cities? Do Jews speak Arabic instead of Hebrew?
Blah]. Blah. Whatever you say you greek-hating Bulgarian in denial of your own roots. Make sure to say high to that big fat liar Risto where you get all your information from.
Krste Misirkov: "“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness,”
Loring Danforth, whom I use as source because he is listed as on an expert on MHRMI, writes:
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." ("The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, 1995, p.64)
Aside from all sorts of revisionist history (ancient Macedonians self-identified as Greeks at the ancient Olympics), you jump from 200 BC to the 20th century. Instead of evading... explain?
Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"
Is Gruevski planning on destroying all the artifacts showing ancient Macedonians self-identified as Greeks at the ancient Olympics for centuries?
"Men of Athens, in truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas; I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery. " (Speech of Alexander I of Macedonia upon being admitted to the Olympic games, Herodotus, " Histories", 9.45,)
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President to Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992) youtube(dot)com/watch?v=uA3kwC2YTq4
Quote from Misirkov Risto hides from you: “But now cries from the Macedonians can be heard: we are Bulgarians, we are more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians themselves. …….. You could be victors over Bulgaria and impose on it all sorts of treaties but this cannot change our conviction, our consciousness that we are not Serbians, that up till now we have called ourselves Bulgarians and this is what we are today and this is what we want to be called in the future.”
More quotes big fat liar Risto Stefov hides from both you and himself:
Misirkov: “We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian. The Serbian not only want to colonize Macedonia with Serbs from other part of Yugoslavia, but they wish to kill our Bulgarian consciousness."
The former Yugoslavians are ANTI-Macedonians and culturally/linguistically mostly Bulgarians (since that's what most of their 19th century ancestors self-identified as). All they are doing is replacing the word "Bulgarian" for "Macedonian" If they were really concerned about protecting Macedonian culture they would love Hellenism. They would want to speak some dialect of Greek. They would even call themselves Greeks just like ancient Macedonians did. You hate Hellenism.
Krste Misirkov: "“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness,”
Misikov: “No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness,”
Misikov: “The only Macedonian Slavs who played a leading part in the Uprising were those who called themselves Bulgarians.”
"It was gradually relaced with the Greek common language" bullshit.The Greek language was established in the seventies.Before that there was two dialects in Greece.One was Koine Macedonian and other was the Greek imposters.
Koine just means "standard" in Greek. Koine Greek thus means "standard Greek" (spread and spoken by...you guessed it... ancient Macedonians). Instead of being such a Greek hater... just open a book by any 3rd party scholar (i.e any book not written by a FYROM nationalist)
A great majority (98%) of modern Greeks during the early 19th century did not speak Greek. They had to learn to speak Greek in school and some under the cruelest conditions. No common Macedonian spoke Greek before the Greek state made its presence in Macedonia. Then, almost overnight, Greek occupied Macedonia became "Greek speaking"
You write: "A great majority (98%) of modern Greeks during the early 19th century did not speak Greek."
Try a source other than the big fat lying Risto Stefov (an ethnic Bulgarian who hides his own roots from his readers). Greek has been spoken in the region in an UNBROKEN chain leading back to antiquity.
@GemistusPletho The ancient Greek, Roman, and Jewish historians, geographers, and orators, speak of the Macedonians as distinct nation, separate from their Greek, Thracian, and Illyrian neighbors. They are clear that Macedonia was never part of Greece and that the Macedonians conquered Greece, Thrace, and Illyria, and kept the Greeks, Thracians, and Illyrians enslaved, until Rome defeated the Macedonian armies and turned the country into its first province in 168 BC
@GemistusPletho outside of some high ranking christian church clergy and a very small minority of christian educated, middle class ottoman families, no one spoke greek before greece was a country. In fact, the language spoken by the above mentioned people then was not even called greek. ! am talking about the koine language, the ancient language of trade and commerce.
@GemistusPletho The population imported from Turkey in the 1920´s was not imported because it identified with Greece. It was imported because it was Christian. Christianity and Islam were the only criteria separating the so-called Greeks from Turks. The vast majority of the Asia Minor Christian settlers settled in Greek territories, culturally and linguistically identified more with the Turks than they did with the Greeks. That however did not stop the Greek State from turning them into Greeks.
If that were so why didn't the move to Serbia, or Bulgaria? You are a jumble of made up facts. It shouldn't be surprising considering you are in denial over the obvious evidence that all FYROM nationalists are doing is replacing "Bulgarian" with "Macedonian". Why don't you ever expend evidence pointing that out if you claim to be objective?
e.g.
“The only Macedonian Slavs who played a leading part in the Uprising were those who called themselves Bulgarians.” (Misirkov)
Dude alll FYROM nationalists are doing is framing their words a Rum millet Greek Speaking Roman living in Turkey that considers ancient Greeks their ancestors... it reframes as a "christian Turk". This is your mental problem not ours. Open a book. You'll discover plenty of Greeks long before conspiracy theoriests like Risto claim we were "invented"
You are an ethnic Bulgarian who now calls himself a Macedonian. You are no more "ethnic Macedonian".... then someone Palestinian living in Israel is an "ethnic Jew".
The reason isn't race (which unfortunately extremists on both sides of the dispute obsess over) The reason is cultural. You want to claim a Bulgarian dialect is "macedonian". You want to claim Thessaloniki as "Solun'. You want to claim ancient Macedonians weren't Greeks.etc.. In short, historical fabrications.
FYROM nationalists confuse ethnological and geographic space. (much like you can move to China and be a citizen but not ethnic Chinese). FYROM do not even stay true to the Hellenic culture of Macedonia. Instead they turn everything slavic by just replacing "Bulgarian" with "Macedonian". Not only does this make them not "Macedonian" but they anti-Hellenic cultural/lingusitic choices even define them as ANTI-Macedonian. (Hellenism is something ancient Macedonians loved)
@GemistusPletho Στο χαρακτηρισμό αυτόν είναι ομόφωνη η αρχαία Eλληνική παράδοση. Όχι μόνο ο Δημοσθένης αλλά και ο Θουκυδίδης και όλοι σχεδόν οι Έλληνες συγγραφείς αποκαλούν τους Μακεδόνες Βαρβάρους"
"Η αρχαία Mακεδονική γλώσσα ήταν φυσικό να πλουτιστεί με λέξεις Φρυγικές, Iλλυρικές, Παιονικές, Θεσσαλικές και αργότερα με Ελληνικές»
Greek-hating fools like you cherrypick Demosthenes words (out of centuries of Greeks to chose between) during time of conflict between Athens/Macedonia. Get this through your fat head. Ancient Macedonians SELF-IDENTIFIED as Greeks at the ancient Olympics for centuries (and were accepted as Greeks by other Greeks as competitors FOR CENTURIES) Is the great leader Gruevski planning to compete in the next Olympics under as a self-identifying Greek?
@GemistusPletho greeks had a way of life were they hellenized others they also had many collonies ,and its known to that greeks mad name to sound more greek
What you should ask yourself is why Macedonian Greeks chose to use Greek names whereas FYROM nationalists dishonestly attempt to promote Slavic as "Macedonian"? Why do they call Thessaloniki by a Slavic name"Solun" rather than the Hellenic one given to it by ancient Macedonians? Alexander would have slaughtered anyone trying to rename the city named after his sister.
And why don't they want to self-identify as Greeks at the Olympics... as ancient Macedonians did?
Incidentally ancient Macedonians were the very self-identifying Greeks that did the most to Hellenize. (why it is called the Hellenistic period). On the other hand, FYROM nationalists are against Hellenization. Funny that.
Furthermore... your attempt to deny the identity of Greeks is just a red herring. Greeks could be the product of an someone from Pakistan and a moose. It would still not make the former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia direct descendants of ancient Macedonians. Capche? You are fighting over your own stupid ethnic insecurity complex. You should cherish your ethnic Bulgarian heritage instead of oppressing it and harassing Greeks.
@GemistusPletho "I have already said, and I will repeat it, that not one-fifth of the present population can with justice be called Greeks. The remainder are Slavonians, Albanians and Turks, with a slight infusion of Venetian blood." ("Travels in Greece and Russia", by Bayard Tailor, 1872, page 262.)
One day we are Albanians, The next Slavs, The next Turks. Different story every day. Every ethnic group on earth is mixed (which a DNA test will confirm). There is already plenty of DNA evidence showing modern Greeks are biologically related to ancient Greeks. Your problem is you are a racist that sees ethnicity purely in terms of sharing a few strands of shared DNA (that no doubt a few Palestinians share with Jews too). There is also culture, location, language, and history no?
Incidentally your comment was made before the massive population exchanges with Asia Minor in the early 20th century. In addition his claims contradicts early eyewitness accounts by both Philhellene scholars and authors like like George Finlay
Maybe that's the way things work in FYROM but regardless if someone claims to be Greek or not I will call out what I see as bullshit. (e.g. I am an atheist who seems Christianity as a myth. I consider Greece to blame for its economic mismanagement).
There are many Greeks I don't agree with. From xenophobic far right extremists like Gold Dawn, to self-righteous post-modernist flakes like Nick Dimou and Panayotis Dimitras, to far left extremists like communists.
And incidentally... you are no Greek if you claim ancient Macedonians were anything but self-identifying Greeks. Greeks defend their heritage. Only a tiny minority of mixed heritage leftist intellectual posers claim otherwise (and endlessly rant against Greeks to get media attention. Traitors to their own country). They are only Greek citizens not individuals that see themselves as ethnically related to ancient Greeks. (which is fine but they shouldn't call themselves Greeks)
Do you spend as much time explaining to Germans that they are not racially pure Germans?
.allheadlinenews(dot)com/articles/7019684360
How about Jews?
inventionofthejewishpeople(dot)com
How about Egyptions? Chinese? English? etc.
I'll tell you the real reason why Greeks are treated differently. Had our name been historically insignificant no one would care but because western civilization owes its roots to Greece- it drives some to obsess over us.
You can learn to speak Greek and feel Greek as much as you want but you can´t "pretend" to be something you are not! People should not "pretend" to be something they are not if they want to be taken seriously! Acting like you are the descendents of the so-called "Ancient Greeks", speaking their language and feeling like them does not make you the descendants of the Ancient Greeks!
You are a racist moron. While there is no such thing as pure races, modern DNA indisputably shows a substantial portion of the Greek population is BIOLOGICALLY related to ancient Greeks. In addition, modern Greeks share location, language, and a massive amount of culture in common with ancient Greeks.
The funny thing about those that obsess over trying to prove Greeks are not "real" Greeks-typically they have far less in common with their claimed roots than those they criticize.
@GemistusPletho Many of the Greeks living in Greek Macedonia are actually refugees that came to Macedonia during the First World War and especially during the 1920's and 1930' from Turkey, the Middle East, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine and Bulgaria.
You write "Many of the Greeks living in Greek Macedonia are actually refugees". Greeks have have living in an unbroken chain in the region since antiquity. While it is true some did move to Macedonia during the masssive population exchanged that happened during the Balkan wars... the same is true of modern Jews that immigrated back to Israel. However unlike the former Bulgarians, Palestinians didn't rename themselves into "ethnic Tel Avians" and claim Arabic as "hebrew"
@GemistusPletho Modern greeks today speak an imposed language that was forced upon their great grandparents,a great majority 98% of modern greeks during the early 19,, century did not speak greek den eistai ellines re ZWOA xipnan malakes
While true some Greeks didn't know Greek (a small minority) the main dispute was between whether Greece was going to use the commonly spoken dialect at the time (demotic) over an artificially created purified version (Katharevousa). The one spoken by average people won.
Η συμφωνία του με τον ψυχαδελφό του Αλή Φαρμάκη,αρχηγό των μουσουλμάνων Αρβανιτών τού Λάλα τού Μοριά,τούς περίφημους Λαλιώτες,γιά την δημιουργία Ανεξάρτητου Ελληνο-Αλβανικού Κράτους
Ανθρωπομετρικά οι Πόντιοι δεν παρουσιάζουν την παραμικρή ομοιότητα με τους σύγχρονους Ελληνες. Ανήκουν στον Ιρανο-Καυκάσιο ανθρωπολογικό τύπο ταυτιζόμενοι με τους Λαζούς και δευτερεύοντα με τους Αρμένιους και Γεωργιανούς. Είναι μελαχροινοί, μετρίου αναστήματος με γαμψή μύτη, χωρίς αρμονικές αναλογίες
@jouvemin190 Πως οι Πόντιοι, μία εκχριστιανισμένη φυλή Λαζών με επιμιξίες Αρμενίων, Σελτζούκων, Κούρδων και Γεωργιανών, διεκδικούν αδέξια τα πρωτεία του καθαρόαιμου Ελληνισμού και της απόλυτης ελληνοφροσύνης
@jouvemin190 ¡!Οι αυτοαποκαλούμενοι Πόντιοι είναι το εκχριστιανισμένο σκέλος της παρακαυκάσιας ιθαγενούς φυλής των Λαζών που μετοίκισε στην Ελλάδα βάσει της συνθήκης Λωζάνης το 1923. Το δεύτερο και πλειοψηφόν σκέλος της φυλής των Λαζών παρέμεινε στο Λαζιστάν (Πόντος) επειδή ασπάζεται το Μουσουλμανικό θρήσκευμα
popo!! apithano!! kai einai kai apo malaka skopiano mou metonomase tous "eis to forima" deksious na metanasteyoun logo epitheseon apo tous antartes!
macedonia refugee??
loipon epidi emena o pateras mou ta ezise ayta... na sou po oti einai lathos akoma kai o xaraktirismos Aegean... ipirotes itan aytoi pou metanasteysan gia ayto akrivos ton logo ola ta sinoriaka xoria tis alvanias katoikountai apo ellines
@jouvemin190 Αν διαβάσεις το δίτομο έργο του Τζορτζ Φίνλεϊ για την Ελληνική Επανάσταση, θα σου φύγει το τσερβέλο. Πάνω από τους μισούς είστε αλβανόσποροι.. ο Κολοκοτρώνης σχεδίαζε ελληνοαλβανικό κράτος
@jouvemin190 Αρειμάνιες μορφές "Ελλήνων" Μακεδονομάχων. Οι περισσότεροι ήσαν εισαγόμενοι ληστοσυμμορίτες από Κρήτη και Μάνη. Οσο για τους πολυθρύλητους γηγενείς Μακεδονομάχους, κατά 99% ήσαν Βλάχοι, Σαρακατσάνοι και Αρβανίτες με φιλελληνικά ένστικτα
gia na kaneis apopsei anoito anthropoides prepei na diavaseis vivlia.. oxi ena vivlio me merikes grammes pou sinenoun ston paralogismo sou..
Ena p.x esti gia na to vouloseis!
diavase pos perigrafoun tin enarksi tis ellinikis epanastasis oi:Φραντζής, Φίνλεϋ, Φωτάκος, Κολοκοτρώνης, Κορδάτος, Σταματόπουλος, Βουρνάς, kai sigrine ta legomena tous... meta ela na mou peis gia Φίνλεϋ..tsoutseki.
Φίλος καί αδελφός με τον Καραϊσκάκη.Πρωταγωνιστής καί οραματιστής τού κοινού Ελληνοαλβανικού μετώπου κατά των Τούρκων.Δολοφονήθηκε ,όπως καί ο Καραϊσκάκης,λόγω αυτών των προσπαθειών του
@jouvemin190 Η Πελοπόννησος είχε το σλάβικο όνομα Μοριάς και αμέτρητα σλάβικα τοπωνύμια τα οποία άλλαξαν μετά την απελευθέρωση. Η Μακεδονία είχε ανά τους αιώνες το ίδιο όνομα. Είναι τελείως παράλογο κάποιοι να ζητούν την αλλαγή του. Και αυτό που φαίνεται ως παραλογισμός για του ίδιους τους Μακεδόνες αλλά και για την παγκόσμια κοινότητα, για τους κατοίκους της Ελλάδας φαίνεται ως κάτι λογικό.
an akouseis seirines.. erxonatai na se mazepsoun...
1)eisai paneksipnos! meta apo 400 xronia ipirxan mousoulmanoi arvanites?? den to pisteyo!!
2)pragmatika kafros o kolokotronis e? akou ekei na zitisei voithia alvanon stin epanastasi! me tin proipothesi na kanei to ellinoalvaniko (ss simerino alvaniko kratos) ntropi tou!
3)akou ekei.. 2 katapiesmenoi laoi na maxontai taytoxrona gia eletheria! oi varvaroi! ma pou pige to savoir vivre??
an akouseis seirines gia sena einai!! den tha sxoliaso... o logikos prepei na kanei piso.. oi ilithioi einai pantodinamoi... !! etsi einai.... o sofos dixnei to feggari kai o MALAKS san esena koitaei to daktilo!! etsi kai allios oi malakes einai ena episeis pososto tou plithismou mas!!! oriste to simperasma sou loipon! """opios esthanete ellinas einai ratsistis! ntoinggg"!!! oi ellines pethanan kai meinane oi alvanoi!!! ntoinggg!! mipos esi tin xortosalata tin kapnizeis??
re panivlaka pou les oti malakia eiselthi sto anekdieigita paraplanimeno mialo sou..
1)oi papoudes mou den einai na tous pianeis sto stoma sou... sayra.. tous dioksane apo ta spitia tous.. polemontas figane... kai osoi ezisan irthan stin thessaloniki.. alla itan ellines xristianoi..!!! paliomalaka!!!!!
2)oi goneis mou den itan tipota parapano tipota ligotero apo simerino ellina pou feygei apo to xorio gia na paei na meinei athina!!
@jouvemin190 Το 1923 κατέφυγε στην Ελλάδα μόλις το 20% των κατοίκων του Πόντου. Το ποσοστό αυτό αντιστοιχούσε στον συνολικό χριστιανικό πληθυσμό της περιοχής (Βιλαέτια Τραπεζούντας, Κερασούντας και Κασταμονούς). Το υπόλοιπο 80% παρέμεινε στην Τουρκία λόγω προσήλωσης στο Ισλάμ
@jouvemin190 Σήμερα, 87 χρόνια μετά την εκδίωξη των Λαζών Ποντίων από την Τουρκία, η μουσική των Λαζών αρχίζει και επηρεάζεται από την Τουρκική μουσική παράδοση, ενώ η Ποντιακή μουσική εμφανίζει Ελληνική επιρροή. Οι Πόντιοι της Ελλάδας δείχνουν απρόθυμοι να μελετήσουν την φυλετική και πολιτιστική τους καταγωγή από τους γηγενείς κατοίκους του Λαζιστάν. Στην Ελλάδα η λέξη Λαζός είναι ανεπιθύμητη στους Πόντιους και εξακολουθεί να ενοχλεί
3)pia einai akrivos i tourkiki mousiki re panivlaka?? oi tourkoi mogoloi nomades ti sxesi exoun me tin mousiki?? i mousiki ton tourkon einai vizantini eos to kokalo..! opos kai fagita tis dithen tourkias.. imam mpaklavas ktl kai o klasikos ellinikos kafes.. akros vizantinos!
4)aprothimoi?? mexri ta 12 mou i progiagia mou zouse!! kanenas pontios den ksexnaei oti einai ellinas!
5)enoeite oti o lazos einai prosvoli.. lazous legane tous dilous pou figan eksoteriko ...
the father of today "macedonians" in the years 1948-49 write a confence that they are not greeks or makedonians so they went to their communist paradise at that time,
the sons today Deny their fathers Choice, and retutrn as makedonians,
Well as I saw it on the writings its Macedonian language and I could read what is writen and understand.Its the same as we speak now in Macedonia and the letters are the same with the Macedonian official letter.Concidering that Dimotiki is an invented language in 1976 become official language in the newly formed Ellas=Alex state 1975 after the Danish royal family gave you independence its imposible anything to be Greek.You are insane!
Objective facts. Anyway, I don't understand why most Greek people feel offensed if a group of people call themselves after the name of a region their Slav ancestors immigrated to. Nobody is denying that the history of ancient Macedonia was closely linked to Greece, and that a current region of Greece is called Macedonia as well. BTW, I am French, which means that the name of my country comes from a Germanic tribe, but we speak a Latin derived language, while being ethnically mostly Celtic...
@wollin20 They don't wantnus to call our country Macedonia because of political reasons. Between 1945-1949 there was a mass killing and deportation of a Macedonian population by the Greek and Brittish army. They almost etnicly cleansed the region that now belongs to Greece from the Macedonians. A lot of these refugees were children about 80000. And then children born as a refugee. But now those children want their propertys back. Now here is the problem (for them)
@wollin20 The Greek government say to those people that want their land back: If you want your land back you have to writte yourself in as a Greek. If you say you're Macedonian you can't even go to greece let alone to get your land back. Because they know if they give the land back to someone that is Macedonian whole of Northern greece wold be Macedonian and not Greek. That is why they want us to change our name.
Macedonia is a Greek word. Only Greeks can call themselves Macedonian not slavs like the people in this video. Slavs are not Greek.Read History. The slavs invaded 1000 years after Alexander the Great and the Ancinet Macedonians. The slavs are stealing the History of Macedonia which is Greek. Read History
@5hitter there were made several INDEPENDENT linguistic studies, also genetic studies witch confirmed that Macedonian language was originally more similar to Germanic-Slavic-Baltic group than "greek" or hellenic. Hellenes were only rulers of this area and territory became assimilated
tell me is it because of your ignorance that you decided to remove the comment or is it because you thought to find a more propagandistic answer in those monkeydonian sites you all r parroting?
Tooo bad though because i had a really good laugh afetr reading your comedian reply!
And always remember ur a slav claiming to be macedonian u spastic retard.
I think the slavs are lost ...they can not compete with any argument since the slavs are documented later that any population in this ancient part of Europe...In the other hand the dominant civilisation of the era was the greek one but this doesn't mean that even India was habitated by Hellenes(only colonizers). Try to think about that and try to think who are the real trasendents of Dorians or Jonians!
But at length, in 327 B.C., the great Greek conqueror Alexander found his way there. Having subdued Syria, Egypt, and Persia, he next marched to invade the unknown land of gold.
The part of India which Alexander invaded is called the Punjab, or land of the five rivers.
Mathematic method to demonstrate the greekness of Ancient Macedonians "King Alexander " in different language : Ancient macedonian : ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ = Ancient greek : ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ = Modern greek : ΒΑΣΙΛΙΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ≠ Fyromian : Крал Александар = Bulgarian : Крал Александър Conclusion : Ancient Macedonians = Greeks and Fyromians = Bulgarians
geto-dacia,macedonia,valahia,istria,iliria are thracian tribe,all we have same alfabet like greek people have today,after roman and slavic invazion the language mixt ang change
What the fuck?Everyone knows that all languages have words that have roots in ancient Greek, all scientists use Greek words and you talk to me for Albanian?HAHA!!?YOU DONT EVEN EXIST IN ANCIENT TIME!all the word know the glory of Greece! Our language,our blood is unchanged since ancient times!!!STOP BOTHER US MAKE YOUR ONE HISTORY DONT STEEL US ALL AROUND!ALBANIANS TURKS BOULGARIANS SKOPJIE WHATEVER!!ALL YOU FIGHT US BECAUSE THE NEW WORD ORDER WANTS THAT!
There is certainly a body of original makedonikon words gathered from ancient sources, including inscriptions and coins from the lexicon of Hesychius of the 5th century BC. Most of these words are Greek, but some do not meet the standard Greek phonology.And most scientists worldwide agree. The others serve the interests of some. unfortunatelyf,you reached a person like me who is awakened and well informed! tell your fairytale to your friends not me!
@djditii Are you serious??? Who worldwide well-known univercity teacher tells it?? And which country's (except yours of course) agree to that??? Except from all the historical facts tha are against you isn't that strange that in your characteristics look like more cafcasian than european??? Big head,flat at the back side,big ears,ungly face??
@PatrisYperPantwn maybe your new world order schools and your arvanite heroes and presidents...as long as you are greek, if you are macedonian go ask any tsar back there wher you came from ;)
The sample of original Macedonian words has been proved insufficient so far to show what the Macedonian language was. The majority of the words are Greek, several inscriptions have revealed some tendencies toward Doric Greek and Aeolic Greek; on the other hand, there can be found some Illyrian and Thracian elements
The Pella curse tablet is a text written in a distinct Doric Greek idiom, found in Pella, the ancient capital of Macedon in 1986[
Ιt contain a curse or magic spell (Greek: κατάδεσμος, katadesmos) inscribed on a lead scroll, dating to first half of the 4th century BC (ca 375 - 350 BC). It was published in the Hellenic Dialectology Journal in 1993
It is one of four texts found until today that may represent a local dialectal form of ancient Greek of Macedonia, all of them identifiable as Doric (the oldest is the The Phiale of Megara c. 500 BC)[6]. These confirm that a Doric Greek dialect was spoken in Macedonia, as was previously expected from the West Greek forms of names found in Macedonia
James O’Neil, 26th Conference of the Australasian Society for Classical Studies, 2005
@2005defender Really?? Then you should ask O'neil from where did the Dorians went to greece? Isnt that the Dorian movement from north (???) to south (greece)
Well , mister historian with facts...What country is in your NORTH?? Or can you explain the etymology of the name Dor /Dorian/ Doric?? Or can you explain the etymology of the name Jon ? wich romans translated it as NOSTRUM? What doese JON means in Albanian?...nevermind..i admire your way of treating history with nationalism..
Doric or Dorian was a dialect of ancient Greek. Its variants were spoken in the southern and eastern Peloponnese, Crete, Rhodes, some islands in the southern Aegean Sea, some cities on the coasts of Asia Minor, Southern Italy, Sicily, Epirus and Macedon. Together with Northwest Greek, it forms the "Western group" of classical Greek dialects
The ancients classified the Greek language into three gene or four dialects, Ionic (Attic), Aeolic, Doric and later a fifth one, Koine. Grammarians focus mainly on the literary dialects and isolated words. Historians may classify dialects on mythological/historical reasons rather than linguistic knowledge
New Documents Illustrating Early Christianity: Volume 5, Linguistic Essays With Cumulative Indexes to Vols. 1-5 Page 30
Doni are still called Dani, Dontsi, Doni,... living in Russia.
VendPrekmurec 5 days ago
occult nonsense. Makedoni comes from "great" Don tribe, Scynthians from river Don and not "greeks" . Trojans were Veneti and Hatti tribes and not Greeks also, instead "Orthodox" "historians" think" (belie) they were Greeks also.
VendPrekmurec 5 days ago
hahahahaha! sleep from this side..
mariotubegr 1 week ago
Makedonians language = Ancient Greek.. a language that no fyrom slav knows..
christianotelo 1 week ago
Since scientists and linguists cannot reconstruct one language based on 100 glosses, it is unsupportive to make decisions and assertions that some ancient language is hypothetically doric dialect or belongs to a neighbouring dialectological system (doric, aeolic etc.). I don't propagate the thesis of slavic origin of macedonian language, I just want to make clear that there is no foundation whatsoever with the claims concocted in the published video.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
It should be mentioned that the majority of the names of Macedonians from the ancient period are those of members of the ruling dynasty or the aristocracy who consciously identified with the sphere of Hellenic culture so that it is in no way strange that the names of the majority of them are Greek. But alongside them are to be found Macedonian names which cannot be explained by means of Greek etymology.
Nachkovski 1 week ago
When something looks similar, it doesn't mean it's completely the same. Since Ancient Greek was a language of greate prestige in the old world, borrowings from Greek was naturally occuring phenomena. Among 100 macedonian glosses, there are word not identifiable by standard hellenic etymology (e.g.: aliza "a white layer under the bark of a tree", Slavonic e/oa xa; Mac. goda "innards", Gk. entera, Old Indian Sanskrit gudam "intestine"; Mac. pella "stone", Germ. Fels < + pel-sa, etc.).
Nachkovski 1 week ago
Ancient Macedonians were distinct ethnicity. The language they spoke was different, it wasn't a dialect or idiom of koine or whatever. Ancient hellenic writers made a clear distinction when they used a verb μακεδονίζω meaning "I speak Macedonian or I go in with Macedonians". They also used this verbal forms to imply dialectical (local) hellenic speeches as ἀττικίζω, θεσσαλίζω, as well as θρᾳκιστί or μακεδονιστί to point out the alien element they refer to, speaking Thracian or Macedonian.
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READ about "Aristotle"
TYPE "livius.org/gi-gr/greeks/philosophers.html"
mkzamk1913 3 weeks ago
Before 1990 GREECE did'nt want anything to do with Macedonia
AND all of a sudden they want to be Macedonian ?
are the Greeks worried that Macedonia will be united as ONE ?
mkzamk1913 3 weeks ago
OMG !!! I wish these Greeks stop trying to be Macedonians !!!
mkzamk1913 3 weeks ago
If ancient Macedonians weren't Greeks,
at least they had the right of self - determination.
And they called themselves Hellenes (Greeks).
Georgios763 6 months ago
the ancient Macedonians spoke and wrote Greek. Now the fyromians ''found'' an ancient ''Macedonian'' language to the Rosette stone. It's a matter for psychiatry and not a linguistic matter
MrG3SG1 9 months ago
WE are Bulgarians with a complex .
Every one knows that Macedonia is, was, and will always be Greece .
I just copy paste from FYROM blogs . and make fake stones .
Istorylies 11 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 10 months ago
@VendPrekmurec Macedonia has been Greek for 3000 Years .
FYROM is Slavic , there was never a slavic kingdome of Macedonia.
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@Istorylies Macedonians were always enemies of afro semitic tribes; Hellenes - greeks from beginnng. They were VENETI, not greeks
VendPrekmurec 10 months ago
@VendPrekmurec Keep filling your head up with Bullshit ,,
Tito's sperm ,,, you will never be Macedonians.
Istorylies 10 months ago 6
@Istorylies well...Macedonians were all white, before they've started to cross breed with Afro Semitic Hellenes...
that's why they were so against them.
VendPrekmurec 10 months ago
@VendPrekmurec True...they was veneti..and veneti are slavens...i event think it was (Slo)Venet(z)i...but anyway we agree in this...veneti=slanes...macedon language=slaven..ancient macedon never existed...
JimmyBarca 9 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 9 months ago
@JimmyBarca Macedonia comes from the tribes of DON (people from river DON - in modern Russia)... Jews and occultists and also "historians" know about "Don or Dan tribes" (the historians have compiled the tribe to "ancient" hebrews or "lost tribe of Dan" - which is also known to freemasonry )
Hellenes knew Don people as "Danoi". Correct name was Donsi or Dontsi, Doni - a pure white race, hyperboreans....
VendPrekmurec 9 months ago
@JimmyBarca so... "MakeDonia" comes from "Maha" (raz-Mah, Maha - "expansion, big" (compare with MahaBharata) and Donia comes from people of Don river. Again they were not Hellenes, but in other sources also known as "Veneti, Venedi"
VendPrekmurec 9 months ago
@JimmyBarca the occultists and different "elites", will always try to destroy and hide the original history... they have done the same to Russians... They continue with expansion; under NATO (the anti missile shield around Russia is 1. step. Later they will occupy it with all resources they have. )
VendPrekmurec 9 months ago
@JimmyBarca in ancient times also Macedonia was part of great kingdom called Tartaria, in other sources also known as "Hyperborea"... Macedonia was originally its provinze, but later became part of Hellenic provinces. The enemy has attacked also Ilios (Troja). But Troja was originally also part of Venetic tribes(Homer's "Enedae" = Venedae; old Greeks did not speak letter V; so also "VIlios" (Vilos or Veles - Volos - Vol - (Bull) - Taurus (Telec) city (Ba'al - Veles) became known as "Ilios"
VendPrekmurec 9 months ago
@JimmyBarca "historians" have at archeologic finding of Troja destroyed many pottery. Why? Because on the artifacts was engraved the symbol of Swastika or Swarga - Svarga... Which was old Venetic (proto Slavic) symbol of Triglav or also called (on runes i read) as "TRIMUZIADI or TRIMUSHIADI" (which means "3 men" (Trimurti) = Trojan god (3); Veles (Ilios) - Bull, Perun (also known to Hittites) and Svarog or Varuna/Svarun...
VendPrekmurec 9 months ago
@JimmyBarca term "Venet" means "Ven-it" or "Van et", "Van est" (old "est" is jest, je - ist - is ) and "Van" means "outside" (migration -out; to old Rasenes (Veneti) always known as "Paska" (Easter); migration from North pole "PASSing"... (Easter predates Christian "religion" ). Second name was "Great night" or "Uskrs"(krsnut - "to enliven". So Aryan god was "Krst-na" or to Hindus known today still as "Krishna" and to Christians as "Christ"... when Christian Christ was derived from jews
VendPrekmurec 9 months ago
@JimmyBarca so who are Biblical "GOG AND MAGOG"... ? yes they are all pure white races - hyperboreans (children of Ba'al- Taurus or Veles - (V)Ilios) they are old Slavs and especially Russians... that's why their "pagan " (pagan is a mockery still today to those who do not worship Yehowa or Osiris - Bacchus - Dyonisis or Bakasura (Asura in India )) history was compiled to Torah and to new Byzantine Christian history... you have no idea that over 19 million of old "pagan" Slavs were killed
VendPrekmurec 9 months ago
@JimmyBarca under Byzantine Sanhendrin and to Teutons (masonic gothic(later became known as "germanic") occult order)... including women, children, old men were - burned alive or simply cut their throuts out. This was REAL "Blessing of Yehowa or Iliah"... of course church will never show this to the public... they must keep this in secret, what they've done to white race or to "barbarians"
VendPrekmurec 9 months ago
---Έτσι κατά τον 5ο αι. πΧ από το ανακάτεμα αυτό !Ιλλυριούς, Φρύγες, Παίονες, Μολοσσούς κλπ) σχηματίστηκε η Mακεδονική φυλή που είχε δική της γλώσσα και ξεχώριζε από τους άλλους λαούς της Βαλκανικής"
---Οι Έλληνες όμως, αν και οι Μακεδόνες βασιλιάδες καθώς και οι αυλικοί και οι ευγενείς μιλούσαν την ελληνική γλώσσα και ισχυρίζονταν πως κατάγονταν από τους Ηρακλείδες, τους χαρακτήριζαν β α ρ β α ρ ο υ ς και α λ λ ό φ υ λ ο υ ς"
istoriify 11 months ago
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FYROM nationalists are racists that are anti-Macedonians. No Macedonian would want to speak a language other than that of their own ancestors. All the do is relabel "Bulgarian" into "Macedonian" and hide evidence of their own ethnic Bulgarian roots.
"We are Bulgarians" (ethnic Bulgarian IMRO leader Gotse Delchev)
tinyurl(dot)com/2vsvo3f
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.'(FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov in interview to Ottawa Citizen Newspaper 24 February 1999)
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
"The Ancient MAcedonian language was a Greek dialect or PROBABLY was a Greek idiom with some Tracian or Frygian elements"
First of all two different languages cannot be two dialects.Second this idioms you are talking about also got nothing to do with the Greeks.
If it is the same language why you cant read the Stone of Roseta, the unknown part that also PROBABLY has greek roots for you and your experts.
Third and last this faces from the statues don't have Greek features.
Facts or fiction,choose
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
Dude you can't read a single word of the Greek found on countless ancient Macedonian artifacts and are in denial over your ethnic Bulgarian past, and are lecturing Greeks about fact or fiction?
Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho how can all the modern Macedonians are slavs who came to the Balkans in the 6 century AD and all the modern greeks be hellenes direct descendants of the ancient Greeks?
Any (ROMA) can become a greek by accepting the greek indoctrination! and is learning to speak the Greek language
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
And couldn't I say any ethnic Bulgarian can become "Macedonian" simply by accepting Gruevski's indocternation? Furthermore, since you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians now claim to be "Macedonians", why pray tell wouldn't you want to be able to read and speak the language of your own ancestors?
Do Jews (who have mixed more than Greeks) give Muslim names to their children? Do Jews give Arabic names to cities? Do Jews speak Arabic instead of Hebrew?
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho I am MAKEDON.
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho I am MAKEDON.You are NOTHING.
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
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@MomciloStojanovski
Blah]. Blah. Whatever you say you greek-hating Bulgarian in denial of your own roots. Make sure to say high to that big fat liar Risto where you get all your information from.
Krste Misirkov: "“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness,”
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
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@MomciloStojanovski
Read about your own history if you dare you Greek-hating fascist POS.
We are Bulgarians" (ethnic Bulgarian IMRO leader Gotse Delchev)
tinyurl(dot)com/2vsvo3f
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
Loring Danforth, whom I use as source because he is listed as on an expert on MHRMI, writes:
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." ("The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, 1995, p.64)
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
Aside from all sorts of revisionist history (ancient Macedonians self-identified as Greeks at the ancient Olympics), you jump from 200 BC to the 20th century. Instead of evading... explain?
Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
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@GemistusPletho I am MAKEDON
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
Is Gruevski planning on destroying all the artifacts showing ancient Macedonians self-identified as Greeks at the ancient Olympics for centuries?
"Men of Athens, in truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas; I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery. " (Speech of Alexander I of Macedonia upon being admitted to the Olympic games, Herodotus, " Histories", 9.45,)
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
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@GemistusPletho I am MAKEDON
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President to Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992) youtube(dot)com/watch?v=uA3kwC2YTq4
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
Quote from Misirkov Risto hides from you: “But now cries from the Macedonians can be heard: we are Bulgarians, we are more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians themselves. …….. You could be victors over Bulgaria and impose on it all sorts of treaties but this cannot change our conviction, our consciousness that we are not Serbians, that up till now we have called ourselves Bulgarians and this is what we are today and this is what we want to be called in the future.”
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
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@GemistusPletho I am MAKEDON
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
More quotes big fat liar Risto Stefov hides from both you and himself:
Misirkov: “We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian. The Serbian not only want to colonize Macedonia with Serbs from other part of Yugoslavia, but they wish to kill our Bulgarian consciousness."
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho I am MAKEDON
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
The former Yugoslavians are ANTI-Macedonians and culturally/linguistically mostly Bulgarians (since that's what most of their 19th century ancestors self-identified as). All they are doing is replacing the word "Bulgarian" for "Macedonian" If they were really concerned about protecting Macedonian culture they would love Hellenism. They would want to speak some dialect of Greek. They would even call themselves Greeks just like ancient Macedonians did. You hate Hellenism.
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
Krste Misirkov: "“No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness,”
mak-truth(dot)com/k_pap1.htm
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
More quotes big fat liar Risto Stefov hides:
Misikov: “No matter whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians we shall always feel as a nationality with a Bulgarian national consciousness,”
Misikov: “The only Macedonian Slavs who played a leading part in the Uprising were those who called themselves Bulgarians.”
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
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@GemistusPletho I am MAKEDON
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
"It was gradually relaced with the Greek common language" bullshit.The Greek language was established in the seventies.Before that there was two dialects in Greece.One was Koine Macedonian and other was the Greek imposters.
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
@MomciloStojanovski
Koine just means "standard" in Greek. Koine Greek thus means "standard Greek" (spread and spoken by...you guessed it... ancient Macedonians). Instead of being such a Greek hater... just open a book by any 3rd party scholar (i.e any book not written by a FYROM nationalist)
secure(dot)wikimedia(dot)org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Koine_Greek
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
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@GemistusPletho I don't hate you.I am MAKEDON.
MomciloStojanovski 11 months ago
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istoriify 11 months ago
A great majority (98%) of modern Greeks during the early 19th century did not speak Greek. They had to learn to speak Greek in school and some under the cruelest conditions. No common Macedonian spoke Greek before the Greek state made its presence in Macedonia. Then, almost overnight, Greek occupied Macedonia became "Greek speaking"
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
You write: "A great majority (98%) of modern Greeks during the early 19th century did not speak Greek."
Try a source other than the big fat lying Risto Stefov (an ethnic Bulgarian who hides his own roots from his readers). Greek has been spoken in the region in an UNBROKEN chain leading back to antiquity.
secure(dot)wikimedia(dot)org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Greek_scholars_in_the_Renaissance
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho The ancient Greek, Roman, and Jewish historians, geographers, and orators, speak of the Macedonians as distinct nation, separate from their Greek, Thracian, and Illyrian neighbors. They are clear that Macedonia was never part of Greece and that the Macedonians conquered Greece, Thrace, and Illyria, and kept the Greeks, Thracians, and Illyrians enslaved, until Rome defeated the Macedonian armies and turned the country into its first province in 168 BC
istoriify 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho outside of some high ranking christian church clergy and a very small minority of christian educated, middle class ottoman families, no one spoke greek before greece was a country. In fact, the language spoken by the above mentioned people then was not even called greek. ! am talking about the koine language, the ancient language of trade and commerce.
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istoriify 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho The population imported from Turkey in the 1920´s was not imported because it identified with Greece. It was imported because it was Christian. Christianity and Islam were the only criteria separating the so-called Greeks from Turks. The vast majority of the Asia Minor Christian settlers settled in Greek territories, culturally and linguistically identified more with the Turks than they did with the Greeks. That however did not stop the Greek State from turning them into Greeks.
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
If that were so why didn't the move to Serbia, or Bulgaria? You are a jumble of made up facts. It shouldn't be surprising considering you are in denial over the obvious evidence that all FYROM nationalists are doing is replacing "Bulgarian" with "Macedonian". Why don't you ever expend evidence pointing that out if you claim to be objective?
e.g.
“The only Macedonian Slavs who played a leading part in the Uprising were those who called themselves Bulgarians.” (Misirkov)
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho ETHNIC GROUPS IN GREECE Roma, Gypsies (Roma). Includes Turkish gypsies Settlers (Yoruks) 1923 Lausanne Treaty Albanians Christianized old generation Romania Vlachs Macedonians Turkophones Christianized Turks, Karamanlis Cretans Christianized Arab origin Christianized Cretan Turkish origin, commonly Turkish seeds Seljuk Christianized, 1923 Lausanne Treaty Muslims of Thrace Turkish Refugees Levantine-Italianate Fraggades Hellenized Albanians - Epirus
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
Dude alll FYROM nationalists are doing is framing their words a Rum millet Greek Speaking Roman living in Turkey that considers ancient Greeks their ancestors... it reframes as a "christian Turk". This is your mental problem not ours. Open a book. You'll discover plenty of Greeks long before conspiracy theoriests like Risto claim we were "invented"
wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Greek_scholars_in_the_Renaissance
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho I live in greece! and I am Macedonian! here we all know who is who! no one is Greek signomi !
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
You are an ethnic Bulgarian who now calls himself a Macedonian. You are no more "ethnic Macedonian".... then someone Palestinian living in Israel is an "ethnic Jew".
The reason isn't race (which unfortunately extremists on both sides of the dispute obsess over) The reason is cultural. You want to claim a Bulgarian dialect is "macedonian". You want to claim Thessaloniki as "Solun'. You want to claim ancient Macedonians weren't Greeks.etc.. In short, historical fabrications.
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@istoriify
FYROM nationalists confuse ethnological and geographic space. (much like you can move to China and be a citizen but not ethnic Chinese). FYROM do not even stay true to the Hellenic culture of Macedonia. Instead they turn everything slavic by just replacing "Bulgarian" with "Macedonian". Not only does this make them not "Macedonian" but they anti-Hellenic cultural/lingusitic choices even define them as ANTI-Macedonian. (Hellenism is something ancient Macedonians loved)
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho Στο χαρακτηρισμό αυτόν είναι ομόφωνη η αρχαία Eλληνική παράδοση. Όχι μόνο ο Δημοσθένης αλλά και ο Θουκυδίδης και όλοι σχεδόν οι Έλληνες συγγραφείς αποκαλούν τους Μακεδόνες Βαρβάρους"
"Η αρχαία Mακεδονική γλώσσα ήταν φυσικό να πλουτιστεί με λέξεις Φρυγικές, Iλλυρικές, Παιονικές, Θεσσαλικές και αργότερα με Ελληνικές»
Γιάννης Κορδάτος: Ιστορία της αρχαίας Ελλάδας
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
Greek-hating fools like you cherrypick Demosthenes words (out of centuries of Greeks to chose between) during time of conflict between Athens/Macedonia. Get this through your fat head. Ancient Macedonians SELF-IDENTIFIED as Greeks at the ancient Olympics for centuries (and were accepted as Greeks by other Greeks as competitors FOR CENTURIES) Is the great leader Gruevski planning to compete in the next Olympics under as a self-identifying Greek?
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho greeks had a way of life were they hellenized others they also had many collonies ,and its known to that greeks mad name to sound more greek
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
What you should ask yourself is why Macedonian Greeks chose to use Greek names whereas FYROM nationalists dishonestly attempt to promote Slavic as "Macedonian"? Why do they call Thessaloniki by a Slavic name"Solun" rather than the Hellenic one given to it by ancient Macedonians? Alexander would have slaughtered anyone trying to rename the city named after his sister.
And why don't they want to self-identify as Greeks at the Olympics... as ancient Macedonians did?
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@istoriify
Incidentally ancient Macedonians were the very self-identifying Greeks that did the most to Hellenize. (why it is called the Hellenistic period). On the other hand, FYROM nationalists are against Hellenization. Funny that.
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@istoriify
Furthermore... your attempt to deny the identity of Greeks is just a red herring. Greeks could be the product of an someone from Pakistan and a moose. It would still not make the former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia direct descendants of ancient Macedonians. Capche? You are fighting over your own stupid ethnic insecurity complex. You should cherish your ethnic Bulgarian heritage instead of oppressing it and harassing Greeks.
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho Cretans Venetian origin Of Turkish Cypriots, commonly Tourkosporoi More Sarakatsani Georgians "Rossopontioi Western-US Kozani Sourdis Pomaks Armenians Western Thrace Pomaks Western Thrace Ekchristanismenoi Chams of Epirus th Jewish Diaspora Vlachos moglenites (Pechenegs) Mestizos undetermined origin
istoriify 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho "I have already said, and I will repeat it, that not one-fifth of the present population can with justice be called Greeks. The remainder are Slavonians, Albanians and Turks, with a slight infusion of Venetian blood." ("Travels in Greece and Russia", by Bayard Tailor, 1872, page 262.)
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
One day we are Albanians, The next Slavs, The next Turks. Different story every day. Every ethnic group on earth is mixed (which a DNA test will confirm). There is already plenty of DNA evidence showing modern Greeks are biologically related to ancient Greeks. Your problem is you are a racist that sees ethnicity purely in terms of sharing a few strands of shared DNA (that no doubt a few Palestinians share with Jews too). There is also culture, location, language, and history no?
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@istoriify
Incidentally your comment was made before the massive population exchanges with Asia Minor in the early 20th century. In addition his claims contradicts early eyewitness accounts by both Philhellene scholars and authors like like George Finlay
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho Ελληνες δεν καταγονται απο Ελληνες. Αυτο είναι μια ιστορική αλήθεια
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
Maybe that's the way things work in FYROM but regardless if someone claims to be Greek or not I will call out what I see as bullshit. (e.g. I am an atheist who seems Christianity as a myth. I consider Greece to blame for its economic mismanagement).
There are many Greeks I don't agree with. From xenophobic far right extremists like Gold Dawn, to self-righteous post-modernist flakes like Nick Dimou and Panayotis Dimitras, to far left extremists like communists.
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@istoriify
And incidentally... you are no Greek if you claim ancient Macedonians were anything but self-identifying Greeks. Greeks defend their heritage. Only a tiny minority of mixed heritage leftist intellectual posers claim otherwise (and endlessly rant against Greeks to get media attention. Traitors to their own country). They are only Greek citizens not individuals that see themselves as ethnically related to ancient Greeks. (which is fine but they shouldn't call themselves Greeks)
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@istoriify
Do you spend as much time explaining to Germans that they are not racially pure Germans?
.allheadlinenews(dot)com/articles/7019684360
How about Jews?
inventionofthejewishpeople(dot)com
How about Egyptions? Chinese? English? etc.
I'll tell you the real reason why Greeks are treated differently. Had our name been historically insignificant no one would care but because western civilization owes its roots to Greece- it drives some to obsess over us.
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
You can learn to speak Greek and feel Greek as much as you want but you can´t "pretend" to be something you are not! People should not "pretend" to be something they are not if they want to be taken seriously! Acting like you are the descendents of the so-called "Ancient Greeks", speaking their language and feeling like them does not make you the descendants of the Ancient Greeks!
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
You are a racist moron. While there is no such thing as pure races, modern DNA indisputably shows a substantial portion of the Greek population is BIOLOGICALLY related to ancient Greeks. In addition, modern Greeks share location, language, and a massive amount of culture in common with ancient Greeks.
The funny thing about those that obsess over trying to prove Greeks are not "real" Greeks-typically they have far less in common with their claimed roots than those they criticize.
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho Many of the Greeks living in Greek Macedonia are actually refugees that came to Macedonia during the First World War and especially during the 1920's and 1930' from Turkey, the Middle East, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine and Bulgaria.
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
You write "Many of the Greeks living in Greek Macedonia are actually refugees". Greeks have have living in an unbroken chain in the region since antiquity. While it is true some did move to Macedonia during the masssive population exchanged that happened during the Balkan wars... the same is true of modern Jews that immigrated back to Israel. However unlike the former Bulgarians, Palestinians didn't rename themselves into "ethnic Tel Avians" and claim Arabic as "hebrew"
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
@GemistusPletho Modern greeks today speak an imposed language that was forced upon their great grandparents,a great majority 98% of modern greeks during the early 19,, century did not speak greek den eistai ellines re ZWOA xipnan malakes
istoriify 11 months ago
@istoriify
While true some Greeks didn't know Greek (a small minority) the main dispute was between whether Greece was going to use the commonly spoken dialect at the time (demotic) over an artificially created purified version (Katharevousa). The one spoken by average people won.
secure(dot)wikimedia(dot)org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Greek_language
The fact you need to lie and to "prove" your identity solely by trying to deny Greeks shows to me even you know ancient Macedonians were Greeks.
GemistusPletho 11 months ago
are you idiot and dont want to know the truth ? macedonia-evidence . org
macedonianimation 1 year ago
ΚΟΛΟΚΟΤΡΩΝΗΣ!!!!
Η συμφωνία του με τον ψυχαδελφό του Αλή Φαρμάκη,αρχηγό των μουσουλμάνων Αρβανιτών τού Λάλα τού Μοριά,τούς περίφημους Λαλιώτες,γιά την δημιουργία Ανεξάρτητου Ελληνο-Αλβανικού Κράτους
istoriify 1 year ago
oi pontioi einai kritikoi.....oi kourdoi einai ellines.... xa xa xa
istoriify 1 year ago
Ανθρωπομετρικά οι Πόντιοι δεν παρουσιάζουν την παραμικρή ομοιότητα με τους σύγχρονους Ελληνες. Ανήκουν στον Ιρανο-Καυκάσιο ανθρωπολογικό τύπο ταυτιζόμενοι με τους Λαζούς και δευτερεύοντα με τους Αρμένιους και Γεωργιανούς. Είναι μελαχροινοί, μετρίου αναστήματος με γαμψή μύτη, χωρίς αρμονικές αναλογίες
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
telika eisai trelos!! mallon mpeneis apo to pc pou exei to dafni kai les malakies!
tespa teleytaio mathima istorias se psixastheni!
1)den drepete kanenas gia tin katagogi tou.. ntrepomaste oloi gia ta xalia kai tous poliutikous tis xoras..
2)to 20% einai gelio kai mono pou to les! to 50-60% eftase.. "den katefige ilithie.."
to 30-40% dolofonithike kai ena 10% anthropoi animporei na egatalipsoun opos geroi pareminan kai prosilitistikan me tin bia.!!
jouvemin190 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 Πως οι Πόντιοι, μία εκχριστιανισμένη φυλή Λαζών με επιμιξίες Αρμενίων, Σελτζούκων, Κούρδων και Γεωργιανών, διεκδικούν αδέξια τα πρωτεία του καθαρόαιμου Ελληνισμού και της απόλυτης ελληνοφροσύνης
istoriify 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 ¡!Οι αυτοαποκαλούμενοι Πόντιοι είναι το εκχριστιανισμένο σκέλος της παρακαυκάσιας ιθαγενούς φυλής των Λαζών που μετοίκισε στην Ελλάδα βάσει της συνθήκης Λωζάνης το 1923. Το δεύτερο και πλειοψηφόν σκέλος της φυλής των Λαζών παρέμεινε στο Λαζιστάν (Πόντος) επειδή ασπάζεται το Μουσουλμανικό θρήσκευμα
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
/watch?v=XP11QDyn8t8
des tin simaia ton pontian stin katastrofi tis smirnis re anthopomorfe parapliroforiodoti...
min ta peis paraekso giati tha se kinigisoune... i tha se valoune sto treladiko!
jouvemin190 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 /watch?v=IVCZTmXR1h0
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
uoauouuuu!!
molis mou apedeikse oti ipirksan metanastes ston emfilio!
popo!! apithano!! kai einai kai apo malaka skopiano mou metonomase tous "eis to forima" deksious na metanasteyoun logo epitheseon apo tous antartes!
macedonia refugee??
loipon epidi emena o pateras mou ta ezise ayta... na sou po oti einai lathos akoma kai o xaraktirismos Aegean... ipirotes itan aytoi pou metanasteysan gia ayto akrivos ton logo ola ta sinoriaka xoria tis alvanias katoikountai apo ellines
jouvemin190 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 Αν διαβάσεις το δίτομο έργο του Τζορτζ Φίνλεϊ για την Ελληνική Επανάσταση, θα σου φύγει το τσερβέλο. Πάνω από τους μισούς είστε αλβανόσποροι.. ο Κολοκοτρώνης σχεδίαζε ελληνοαλβανικό κράτος
istoriify 1 year ago
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@jouvemin190 Οι πρώτοι Έλληνες ήλθαν μετανάστες στην Μακεδονία το 1912 ακολουθώντας τον στρατό τους
istoriify 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 Αρειμάνιες μορφές "Ελλήνων" Μακεδονομάχων. Οι περισσότεροι ήσαν εισαγόμενοι ληστοσυμμορίτες από Κρήτη και Μάνη. Οσο για τους πολυθρύλητους γηγενείς Μακεδονομάχους, κατά 99% ήσαν Βλάχοι, Σαρακατσάνοι και Αρβανίτες με φιλελληνικά ένστικτα
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
ok katalava... eisai egefalika anapiros!
UNISTORIFY onoma kai prama..
gia na kaneis apopsei anoito anthropoides prepei na diavaseis vivlia.. oxi ena vivlio me merikes grammes pou sinenoun ston paralogismo sou..
Ena p.x esti gia na to vouloseis!
diavase pos perigrafoun tin enarksi tis ellinikis epanastasis oi:Φραντζής, Φίνλεϋ, Φωτάκος, Κολοκοτρώνης, Κορδάτος, Σταματόπουλος, Βουρνάς, kai sigrine ta legomena tous... meta ela na mou peis gia Φίνλεϋ..tsoutseki.
p.s to tservelo emine!!!
jouvemin190 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 ΚΙΤΣΟΣ ΤΖΑΒΕΛΑΣ
Ο γιός του μαζί με τον γιό τού Καραϊσκάκη μετέβη στην Αλβανία,γιά συνεννοήσεις περί κοινού αγώνα
istoriify 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 ΑΘΑΝΑΣΙΟΣ ΔΙΑΚΟΣ
Έλαβε ενεργό μέρος στην συμμαχία Σουλιωτών καί Αλβανών μωαμεθανών
istoriify 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 ΟΔΥΣΣΕΑΣ ΑΝΔΡΟΥΤΣΟΣ
Φίλος καί αδελφός με τον Καραϊσκάκη.Πρωταγωνιστής καί οραματιστής τού κοινού Ελληνοαλβανικού μετώπου κατά των Τούρκων.Δολοφονήθηκε ,όπως καί ο Καραϊσκάκης,λόγω αυτών των προσπαθειών του
istoriify 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 ΜΑΡΚΟΣ ΜΠΟΤΣΑΡΗΣ
Ο Ήρωας τού Σουλίου... Οί Σουλιώτες αποτελούν το ευγενέστερο Ελληνο-Αλβανικό αίμα...(
istoriify 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 Η Πελοπόννησος είχε το σλάβικο όνομα Μοριάς και αμέτρητα σλάβικα τοπωνύμια τα οποία άλλαξαν μετά την απελευθέρωση. Η Μακεδονία είχε ανά τους αιώνες το ίδιο όνομα. Είναι τελείως παράλογο κάποιοι να ζητούν την αλλαγή του. Και αυτό που φαίνεται ως παραλογισμός για του ίδιους τους Μακεδόνες αλλά και για την παγκόσμια κοινότητα, για τους κατοίκους της Ελλάδας φαίνεται ως κάτι λογικό.
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
an akouseis seirines.. erxonatai na se mazepsoun...
1)eisai paneksipnos! meta apo 400 xronia ipirxan mousoulmanoi arvanites?? den to pisteyo!!
2)pragmatika kafros o kolokotronis e? akou ekei na zitisei voithia alvanon stin epanastasi! me tin proipothesi na kanei to ellinoalvaniko (ss simerino alvaniko kratos) ntropi tou!
3)akou ekei.. 2 katapiesmenoi laoi na maxontai taytoxrona gia eletheria! oi varvaroi! ma pou pige to savoir vivre??
jouvemin190 1 year ago
@istoriify
an akouseis seirines gia sena einai!! den tha sxoliaso... o logikos prepei na kanei piso.. oi ilithioi einai pantodinamoi... !! etsi einai.... o sofos dixnei to feggari kai o MALAKS san esena koitaei to daktilo!! etsi kai allios oi malakes einai ena episeis pososto tou plithismou mas!!! oriste to simperasma sou loipon! """opios esthanete ellinas einai ratsistis! ntoinggg"!!! oi ellines pethanan kai meinane oi alvanoi!!! ntoinggg!! mipos esi tin xortosalata tin kapnizeis??
jouvemin190 1 year ago 2
@jouvemin190 Ellines den iparxun file mou !
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify1 FILE NEOELLINE ! H Ellada fovatai tin ali8eia!
istoriify 1 year ago
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@jouvemin190 /watch?v=lRfrgu2qtXA
istoriify 1 year ago
"Λαζοί λέγονται οι πρόσφυγες Ελληνες που ήλθαν από τα μέρη του Καυκάσου, κατά την ανταλλαγή των πληθυσμών μετά την Μικρασιατική καταστροφή"
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
re panivlaka pou les oti malakia eiselthi sto anekdieigita paraplanimeno mialo sou..
1)oi papoudes mou den einai na tous pianeis sto stoma sou... sayra.. tous dioksane apo ta spitia tous.. polemontas figane... kai osoi ezisan irthan stin thessaloniki.. alla itan ellines xristianoi..!!! paliomalaka!!!!!
2)oi goneis mou den itan tipota parapano tipota ligotero apo simerino ellina pou feygei apo to xorio gia na paei na meinei athina!!
jouvemin190 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 Οι περισσότεροι νέο'έλληνες' ντρέπονται για την καταγωγή τους
istoriify 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 Το 1923 κατέφυγε στην Ελλάδα μόλις το 20% των κατοίκων του Πόντου. Το ποσοστό αυτό αντιστοιχούσε στον συνολικό χριστιανικό πληθυσμό της περιοχής (Βιλαέτια Τραπεζούντας, Κερασούντας και Κασταμονούς). Το υπόλοιπο 80% παρέμεινε στην Τουρκία λόγω προσήλωσης στο Ισλάμ
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
3) poso malakas eisai??? milas gia pontiaki ethnikotita gia eglimata ellinon kai les emena ratsisti??
oso gia to lazo... ela thessaloniki re mounopano na me peis lazo face to face na sou po ego posa dontia tha ftiseis taytoxrona!! KARIOLI!!!
jouvemin190 1 year ago
@jouvemin190 Σήμερα, 87 χρόνια μετά την εκδίωξη των Λαζών Ποντίων από την Τουρκία, η μουσική των Λαζών αρχίζει και επηρεάζεται από την Τουρκική μουσική παράδοση, ενώ η Ποντιακή μουσική εμφανίζει Ελληνική επιρροή. Οι Πόντιοι της Ελλάδας δείχνουν απρόθυμοι να μελετήσουν την φυλετική και πολιτιστική τους καταγωγή από τους γηγενείς κατοίκους του Λαζιστάν. Στην Ελλάδα η λέξη Λαζός είναι ανεπιθύμητη στους Πόντιους και εξακολουθεί να ενοχλεί
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
3)pia einai akrivos i tourkiki mousiki re panivlaka?? oi tourkoi mogoloi nomades ti sxesi exoun me tin mousiki?? i mousiki ton tourkon einai vizantini eos to kokalo..! opos kai fagita tis dithen tourkias.. imam mpaklavas ktl kai o klasikos ellinikos kafes.. akros vizantinos!
4)aprothimoi?? mexri ta 12 mou i progiagia mou zouse!! kanenas pontios den ksexnaei oti einai ellinas!
5)enoeite oti o lazos einai prosvoli.. lazous legane tous dilous pou figan eksoteriko ...
jouvemin190 1 year ago
@istoriify
..eksoteriko eksou i leksi "lazogermanos"
6)pane stin kalamaria re malaka kai pes mou simfona me tis ratsistikes sou mpourdes pios einai pontios kai pios oxi...na deis esi fele!
7)meriou anastimatos?? kata sto you tube pikilidis na deis re tous meriou anastimatos pontious.ego pou einai 1,86 eimai metriou???
8) mporei na miazoun pollous laous aqlla miazoun kai tous ellines...
koreates-iapones-fillipines-kina-tailadi-kampotsi-vitnam-taiwan... aytoi den miazoun? ti paei na pei diladi?
jouvemin190 1 year ago
If you had read Thucydides you would know that your theories are completely out laughing
mrspartan32 1 year ago
the father of today "macedonians" in the years 1948-49 write a confence that they are not greeks or makedonians so they went to their communist paradise at that time,
the sons today Deny their fathers Choice, and retutrn as makedonians,
not even the turks did that
iapetoc6 1 year ago
Well as I saw it on the writings its Macedonian language and I could read what is writen and understand.Its the same as we speak now in Macedonia and the letters are the same with the Macedonian official letter.Concidering that Dimotiki is an invented language in 1976 become official language in the newly formed Ellas=Alex state 1975 after the Danish royal family gave you independence its imposible anything to be Greek.You are insane!
sitlord75 1 year ago
Fakedonians.
wijse 1 year ago
MACEDONIA IS GREEK / HELLENIC
BACK OFF SLAVS
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
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@unfukkkmee come and get it.
miavaso 1 year ago
You should have said that today "macedonians" speak a Bulgarian dialect!
Nick0ps2 1 year ago
Objective facts. Anyway, I don't understand why most Greek people feel offensed if a group of people call themselves after the name of a region their Slav ancestors immigrated to. Nobody is denying that the history of ancient Macedonia was closely linked to Greece, and that a current region of Greece is called Macedonia as well. BTW, I am French, which means that the name of my country comes from a Germanic tribe, but we speak a Latin derived language, while being ethnically mostly Celtic...
wollin20 1 year ago
@wollin20 They don't wantnus to call our country Macedonia because of political reasons. Between 1945-1949 there was a mass killing and deportation of a Macedonian population by the Greek and Brittish army. They almost etnicly cleansed the region that now belongs to Greece from the Macedonians. A lot of these refugees were children about 80000. And then children born as a refugee. But now those children want their propertys back. Now here is the problem (for them)
nitroflesh 1 year ago
@wollin20 The Greek government say to those people that want their land back: If you want your land back you have to writte yourself in as a Greek. If you say you're Macedonian you can't even go to greece let alone to get your land back. Because they know if they give the land back to someone that is Macedonian whole of Northern greece wold be Macedonian and not Greek. That is why they want us to change our name.
nitroflesh 1 year ago
when greeks arrive in europe,1900-1400 years BC.,they adapted the macedonia/thracia traditions and language
valldevall 1 year ago
Macedonia is a Greek word. Only Greeks can call themselves Macedonian not slavs like the people in this video. Slavs are not Greek.Read History. The slavs invaded 1000 years after Alexander the Great and the Ancinet Macedonians. The slavs are stealing the History of Macedonia which is Greek. Read History
5hitter 1 year ago
@5hitter there were made several INDEPENDENT linguistic studies, also genetic studies witch confirmed that Macedonian language was originally more similar to Germanic-Slavic-Baltic group than "greek" or hellenic. Hellenes were only rulers of this area and territory became assimilated
VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@VendPrekmurec
ahahah thaaat pathetic u r that u try to test "genetically" your language"
Ehm tell me what kind of DNA it is found that it has?Bulgarian maybe?
Lol genetic studies on skopian dialect!What else Am I gonna read in here???
sath8 1 year ago
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VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@VendPrekmurec
ahahahaha hey slav
tell me is it because of your ignorance that you decided to remove the comment or is it because you thought to find a more propagandistic answer in those monkeydonian sites you all r parroting?
Tooo bad though because i had a really good laugh afetr reading your comedian reply!
And always remember ur a slav claiming to be macedonian u spastic retard.
sath8 1 year ago
@sath8 come here to Russia and call me a retard you gypsy
VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@VendPrekmurec Sorry Im extremelly bored to come over there and give you such credid.Its not even worth it
sath8 1 year ago
macedonia is greece! kosovo is serbia! fuck lying scum macedonians and alGAYnians!!!
CCCCXD 1 year ago
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JIMY45GR 1 year ago
I think the slavs are lost ...they can not compete with any argument since the slavs are documented later that any population in this ancient part of Europe...In the other hand the dominant civilisation of the era was the greek one but this doesn't mean that even India was habitated by Hellenes(only colonizers). Try to think about that and try to think who are the real trasendents of Dorians or Jonians!
gggggg561 1 year ago
@gggggg561
But at length, in 327 B.C., the great Greek conqueror Alexander found his way there. Having subdued Syria, Egypt, and Persia, he next marched to invade the unknown land of gold.
The part of India which Alexander invaded is called the Punjab, or land of the five rivers.
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2005defender 1 year ago
@gggggg561
And if you interesting for the Ancient Macedonian Language type "Pella Curse Tablet" to your search engine
2005defender 1 year ago 3
hoplitespao 1 year ago
geto-dacia,macedonia,valahia,istria,iliria are thracian tribe,all we have same alfabet like greek people have today,after roman and slavic invazion the language mixt ang change
valldevall 1 year ago
What the fuck?Everyone knows that all languages have words that have roots in ancient Greek, all scientists use Greek words and you talk to me for Albanian?HAHA!!?YOU DONT EVEN EXIST IN ANCIENT TIME!all the word know the glory of Greece! Our language,our blood is unchanged since ancient times!!!STOP BOTHER US MAKE YOUR ONE HISTORY DONT STEEL US ALL AROUND!ALBANIANS TURKS BOULGARIANS SKOPJIE WHATEVER!!ALL YOU FIGHT US BECAUSE THE NEW WORD ORDER WANTS THAT!
maroulaki17 1 year ago
There is certainly a body of original makedonikon words gathered from ancient sources, including inscriptions and coins from the lexicon of Hesychius of the 5th century BC. Most of these words are Greek, but some do not meet the standard Greek phonology.And most scientists worldwide agree. The others serve the interests of some. unfortunatelyf,you reached a person like me who is awakened and well informed! tell your fairytale to your friends not me!
maroulaki17 1 year ago
The todays Albanian language was not only the language of ancient macedonians but the mother of all so called indo-europian languages.
You will never produce history with nationalism and fake propaganda.
I't will be more honest for you to accept who you really are,than pretend to be someone you never was!
djditii 1 year ago
@djditii Are you serious??? Who worldwide well-known univercity teacher tells it?? And which country's (except yours of course) agree to that??? Except from all the historical facts tha are against you isn't that strange that in your characteristics look like more cafcasian than european??? Big head,flat at the back side,big ears,ungly face??
PatrisYperPantwn 1 year ago
@PatrisYperPantwn maybe your new world order schools and your arvanite heroes and presidents...as long as you are greek, if you are macedonian go ask any tsar back there wher you came from ;)
djditii 1 year ago
@djditii
The sample of original Macedonian words has been proved insufficient so far to show what the Macedonian language was. The majority of the words are Greek, several inscriptions have revealed some tendencies toward Doric Greek and Aeolic Greek; on the other hand, there can be found some Illyrian and Thracian elements
Borza 1992, p. 93
2005defender 1 year ago
@djditii
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The Pella curse tablet is a text written in a distinct Doric Greek idiom, found in Pella, the ancient capital of Macedon in 1986[
Ιt contain a curse or magic spell (Greek: κατάδεσμος, katadesmos) inscribed on a lead scroll, dating to first half of the 4th century BC (ca 375 - 350 BC). It was published in the Hellenic Dialectology Journal in 1993
2005defender 1 year ago
@djditii
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It is one of four texts found until today that may represent a local dialectal form of ancient Greek of Macedonia, all of them identifiable as Doric (the oldest is the The Phiale of Megara c. 500 BC)[6]. These confirm that a Doric Greek dialect was spoken in Macedonia, as was previously expected from the West Greek forms of names found in Macedonia
James O’Neil, 26th Conference of the Australasian Society for Classical Studies, 2005
next time post facts not your opinion
2005defender 1 year ago 3
@2005defender Really?? Then you should ask O'neil from where did the Dorians went to greece? Isnt that the Dorian movement from north (???) to south (greece)
Well , mister historian with facts...What country is in your NORTH?? Or can you explain the etymology of the name Dor /Dorian/ Doric?? Or can you explain the etymology of the name Jon ? wich romans translated it as NOSTRUM? What doese JON means in Albanian?...nevermind..i admire your way of treating history with nationalism..
djditii 1 year ago
@djditii
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Doric or Dorian was a dialect of ancient Greek. Its variants were spoken in the southern and eastern Peloponnese, Crete, Rhodes, some islands in the southern Aegean Sea, some cities on the coasts of Asia Minor, Southern Italy, Sicily, Epirus and Macedon. Together with Northwest Greek, it forms the "Western group" of classical Greek dialects
2005defender 1 year ago 2
@2005defender I AM from KOrca or Koritsia as you call it. I have a question for you to what dialect belong Arvanitika? Thank you!
gggggg561 1 year ago
@gggggg561
Artvanitika is an albanian dialect, but do you know any Arvaniti in Greece claimed NOT t be Greek???
Do you??
2005defender 1 year ago
@djditii
The Dorians (Greek: Δωριεῖς,) were one of the four major tribes into which the Ancient Greeks of the Classical period divided themselves
The Dorians are almost always simply referenced as just "the Dorians", as they are in the earliest literary mention of them in Odyssey
The Dorians are clearly among the peoples regarded as Hellenes.
Will, Édouard (1956). Doriens et Ioniens: ethnique appliqué à l'étude de l'histoire et de la civilisation grecques. Paris: Belles Lettres.
2005defender 1 year ago 2
@djditii
The ancients classified the Greek language into three gene or four dialects, Ionic (Attic), Aeolic, Doric and later a fifth one, Koine. Grammarians focus mainly on the literary dialects and isolated words. Historians may classify dialects on mythological/historical reasons rather than linguistic knowledge
New Documents Illustrating Early Christianity: Volume 5, Linguistic Essays With Cumulative Indexes to Vols. 1-5 Page 30
2005defender 1 year ago 2
@djditii
next tim you will post. put the source of your info or a valid link.
Otherwise is just a personal opininon based on NOTHING
2005defender 1 year ago 22
@2005defender IF SOMEBODY CALL HIMSELF MACEDONIAN MUST SPEAK IN MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE !!SO IF YOU ARE MACEDONIAN PPL OF SKOPIA READ THAT
ELLINAS GENNIESAI DEN GINESAI POTE!PRIN 2500 XRONIA DE THA SAS APOKALOUSAME KAN SKOPIANOUS THA EISASTAN GIA EMAS APLA BARBAROI
luftewaffles 1 year ago
@luftewaffles
ρε φιλαρακο Ελληνας ειμαι και εγω, Διαβασε παλι τι εγραψα.
Αλλα συμφωνω με αυτα που εγραψες
2005defender 1 year ago
@luftewaffles
ρε φιλε Ελληνας ειμαι και εγω, διαβασε παλι τι εγραψα.
Συμφωνω σε αυτα που εγραψες αλλα τα εγραψες σε λαθος ανθρωπο
2005defender 1 year ago
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@luftewaffles Έλληνας δεν γεννιέσαι --Έλληνας γίνεσαι,.
istoriify 1 year ago