Insights from a Former Atheist - Lee Strobel

[nooneleavesterminus]

This guy should write a book called "Pussy whipped into beliving in god"

[csosa1978]

I would like to see some of this evidence, btw the case for god was weak.

[csosa1978]

@csosa1978 "case for christ" I'm thinking about.



[NeutralNewt]

"Without god, it is not possible to have universal moral values, and yet we do have universal morals..."

No, we don't. If we had universal morals, then all the laws and customs of different cultures would be wholly uniform. There are certain ideas about murder, sex, manners, and behavior upon which each culture bases its moral codes, but the stipulations about these vary between cultures because each use their own REASON to determine when an act is or is not acceptable, if ever.

[Unicron4ever]

So... Is this where S. E. Cupp got the idea of faking to be an Atheist or was it the other way around?

[Brokenarm101]

@USHOULDTHINK I'm a catholic and I believe in God and Christ but I do NOT believe in every word of the bible. You made a very good example about slavery and I would just like to say that the bible was written by man not by Jesus and not by God so I personally don't believe in every word of the bible

[Serpico261]

@Brokenarm101 if you acknowledge that the bible is written by humans and can be therefore not from god, why even bother to believe in yaweh anyway? I mean there is no logical conclusion or motivation that would make you justify your believes. as an atheist i feel much more happy without the fake hope religion gave me....it was nothing but a simulation in my head

[USHOULDTHINK]

I am an atheist. I don't believe that any supposed proof of god brought you to Christianity. You.spoke of community and good deeds and treating others well. Those are beliefs everyone should have regardless of religion or lack thereof. There is a great amount of.common sense morality in the bible but not all of the bible is moral. I choose what I believe to be moral according to its impact on society. There are beliefs in the bible which bring harm to people as well.

[USHOULDTHINK]

Can you give the rest of the world this knowledge of proof of god that you speak of. Allow it to be scrutinized. All truths must be able to hold up to scrutiny. It is only then can you declare them to be.true. The universal morality that you speak of is ever changing. It is not fixed in a certain position. The bible speaks of slavery as if it is condoned but we know now it is morally wrong. How do you reconcile that. Do you believe the bible is word of god or just suggestions?

[t3tsuyaguy1]

This man is a fool. I read his book, "The Case for Christ". In it, he relates the story of how he went from being an atheist for stunted moronic reasons, to being a Christian for stunted moronic reasons. It's a shame he's still kicking around lowering people's consciousness.

[6sully8391]

what exactly are those universal morals? because i don't think they exist

[bradley4980]

Yeah he used to be an atheist, now that's funny. Obviously there are good atheists! You don't need to be holding the hand of an imaginary being to do the right thing or do good in this world.

[Matthewcoakley08]

Atheism is not a lack of faith. It's just faith in something else. It's just as much religious as Chrstianity, Islam, and all the rest.

[chesterdjester]

@Matthewcoakley08 minus doctrine, forced belief, religious wars, and talking to yourself.

[Speedy636Germany]

@Matthewcoakley08 So, what do Atheists believe in exactly? Whom do they worship?

[Matthewcoakley08]

@Speedy636Germany I never said anything about worship. They do have faith though. It's just faith in what they can see and touch. Christians believe in things that can't be seen or touched. Things hoped for. I can't prove they're real or not. But I hope for them. And that works for me.

[Gnomefro]

@Matthewcoakley08 We have the word faith precisely to distinguish "Things hoped for. That you can't demonstrate are real or not." from beliefs that are well grounded in experience and preferably are demonstrable in some way. When you stop conflating those two things, you'll realize that atheists don't have faith. And if you still insist that they do - then we need another word to make the distinction between stuff believed for a reason and stuff that's made up for no reason.

[Speedy636Germany]

@Matthewcoakley08 'They do have faith though.It's just faith in what they can see and touch.'

And this could be exactly........... what? You don't need faith to believe in proven facts and things you can see and touch. That's called knowledge. According to your own posting, faith is considered to be a belief in something that can't be proven and I agree with you here. However, atheists don't do that, so why do you keep talking about faith in this connection?

[Speedy636Germany]

@Matthewcoakley08 Now what you've done here is to say that to believe in something takes as much faith as not to belive in something. You've rendered every single viewpoint, every single argument, every single worldview as requiring faith. Because faith has to be applied to every single viewpoint, ideology or belief we might have, faith is completely redundant and a meaningless standard because it is required for everything.

[Raidoton]

@Matthewcoakley08 Those are 2 different kind of faiths. In german for example we have 2 words for it (Vertrauen / Glaube).

[olegkikin]

I doubt that guy has ever been an atheist. Saying "atheism would take more faith blah blah blah" is just moronic. Atheism is a lack of faith. Faith is believing something without evidence, and atheism is the opposite of that.

Also notice how he mentions examining evidence, but never says what it is.

Sorry, but this whole video is complete christian propaganda.

[RichoRosai]

I love when you see these Ned Flanders faggots who are CLEARLY the most hyper-Christians of all Christendom, and they're like "I used to be [insert cliched thinly-veiled critical description of atheists that only a Christian could come up with]" or "I used to be a total satanist" or whatever, when you know it's 100% bullshit.

[Pablo113]

Early Christians were Communists!

[LetReasonPrevail1]

The fact that Lee Strobel requires a supernatural belief in order to be a good person says nothing about the accuracy of those beliefs, but is does say something less than flattering about his lack of character.

Religion is a crutch.

If you need religion in order to be a good person, you need to take a long, hard look are yourself.

[odonohsr]

@LetReasonPrevail1 Strobel said you can be an atheist and a good person (2:07). Not sure what you're responding to, but it's not in this video.