I don't know if I'm missing anything here, but all I heard was a pilot, who I am assuming is unfamiliar with the maneuvering area at JFK, get a little lost while en route to the runway? The ATC is trying to get him to listen and the pilot, instead of holding position till he figures out where he is supposed to go, keeps moving the plane, putting other targets in possible jeopardy. Then the pilot gets mad at the ATC for being disrespectful?? I didn't hear the ATC being disrespectful.
yeah, just what passengers need, an ATC to create tensions in the flight deck just before take off. What a dipshit. Its why i hate americans in general....too much arrogance is tolerated in their society and these people think they can take it further every day.
The controller, while arguably too short at first, was ultimately in the right. I'd be pissed too if an aircraft decided to encroach upon a taxiway without clearance ESPECIALLY if there was another aircraft ( the CRJ) already taxiing on the taxiway. What's more, the (I'm assuming) ChinaAir pilot had been given instructions to hold short several times in no uncertain terms.
English is the universal language of aviation. If a pilot and/or controller cannot clearly speak the English language. Then either/or should be at the helm of an aircraft or the microphone of ATC.
I love JFK controllers. I'm sorry the pilot should have a better grasp of English. JFK is one of the worlds busiest airports and controllers do not want to have to keep repeating themselves to pilots who are not listening.
@Rambo9700 In the normal world, it's the ATC's Job to tell the aircraft which taxiway to enter the Apron Area. Not the pilot...so when he asks what taxiway do you enter the ramp, it sounds like what taxiway did you enter the ramp.
the controller should have been relieved or he should've relieved himself. he lost his nerve. he was trying to take on everyone. a very bad sign already.
would it kill him if he say ( what taxiway do you NEED / WANT to inter the ramp and NOT - what taxiway do you enter the ramp-?? not all pilots are native english speekers and very familiar with the local accent of the country they are flying to...safety is a big issue and this is why icao level 4 or above is a must ..the pilot didnt have any english understanding problem..he just didnt understand the question because of the way ( phrase ) the controller was asking it
All the controller needed to do was ask the Ethiad pilot 'What taxiway do you NEED to enter the ramp'. For most pilots visiting States or Kennedy for the first or second time, they arent used to having this INSANE system where the ramp and GND seem to be so segregated that they have to ask the pilot what taxiway they want to go on and if its OPEN! If controllers here are so aggrieved that theyre overworked and stressed they should spend a week at Heathrow or open more positions. Ridiculous.
It would help if ATC would learn proper English grammar before trying to direct aircraft. When he asked it in broken grammar it was ambiguous. The pilot thought he was asking how he'd gotten where he was, but ATC was asking how he wanted to get where he was going.
This controller sounds a lot like a typical difficult-to-work-with radio dispatcher at a cab company. Which may be his next career move...
Its not the accent. Its the inability to speak a full sentence that is grammatically correct in English. Verrrrry furstrating and typical in NY. This includes doctors office and now traffic control . SCARY!!!! I hate F"ing NY. People make up their own English language sentence and when something goes wrong..they same its your fault. When will a Tsunami come and take this place away. It's the armpit of the world.
This controller at no point attempted to speak clear and concise when it was obvious the foreign pilot wasn't understanding his question. It's drama queens like this guy that give controllers a bad rap. Stop exaggerating your New York accent and act professional for once. When your fast, run-on sentence commands fail after 3 times it's probably time to take a different approach and speak the English language. Pathetic.
@Josht56 unless you're an air traffic controller you better shut the fuck up right now. you are not allowed to talk shit about an atc controller unless you are one. and you think he's exaggerating his accent? BS. The pilot is required to be english proficient. He was not. and the pilot even had the nerve to ask the controller to be polite. AND the pilot deviated from a holding clearance. I'm sure the 17 people who liked your comment weren't controllers or pilots either.
@DiamondPilotDan It seems that you are implying that you ARE an air traffic controller. Should that be the case, your comments, whilst probably accurate, put down in writing here using nothing than profanities, speak volumes!! I rest my case!!
@DiamondPilotDan Oh I better shut the fuck up eh? Princess you should get back to painting your nails instead of trying to talk hard to me. When you're done painting your nails you should go clean the dust off of your toy planes fraud.
@Josht56 unless you're an air traffic controller you better shut the fuck up right now. you are not allowed to talk shit about an atc controller unless you are one. and you think he's exaggerating his accent? BS. The pilot is required to be english proficient. He was not. and the pilot even had the nerve to ask the controller to be polite. AND the pilot deviated from a holding clearance. I'm sure the 17 people who liked your comment weren't controllers or pilots either. again.
@Josht56 I's JFK! Have you ever flew through there? They don't have time to deal with a pilot who does not meet ICAO requirements for English proficiency.
Did you notice that the controller "gets an accent", when he is talking to the pilot. The controller probably has a HARD time even speaking English - and he is looking down his nose at the foreign pilots. Some BALLS, right!
Complain to the FAA and within maybe 1-3 years they take the case up or have lost it somewhere. JFK SUCKS and so does FAA, the really should rename FAA to what it is today, ITWAA, Incompetent taxpayers wasting aviation administration.
Mrtdw1954: if you look at a ground map of kjfk there are multiple taxiways entering the ramp. Each one is letter coded just like regular taxiways. Because jfk is so busy they can't have a lot of traffic crossing the ramp. So the controllers have them taxi around the ramp to the entrance closest to the assigned gate. This saves time and frees up some space on the ramp.
Looking at the JFK ground chart you'll see that the alphabet is not sufficient to cover all TWY's meaning that is very complex... YOU air traffic controller should realize that you know only JFK ground or maybe another two airports where you worked before where the pilot should know all the airports where he goes... THEREFOR ... as long as the pilot does not ask you about unreasonable things ... use the required phraseology ... I am saying this being an Approach Controller ... not a PILOT.
Ok look these are supposed to be professional pilots... I understand if you didn't copy the 1st time ATC asked him the question, but 6 times and then give him trouble is unacceptable. You would understand if you were a controller at a busy airport. They are tying to make traffic as efficient as possible.
@cpt1radford You are forgetting the most difficult thing for these pilots. The language barrier. He most likely does not speak english as a native language and the controller could assist him by speaking slowly and clearly. Ive been to a lot of northeast airports where they don't seem to get this.
@cpt1radford You are absolutely correct!! The NE controllers have a hard time with the English language, to begin with. Most of them probably have a "thrown", at home, in which they sit and tell all of "their stories" at the end of the day.
I will agree that GND was impatient, but when you are in JFK, traffic is heavy and it is important that communication Brevity is key. If you aren't able to communicate with the ATC, then accidents are waiting to happen regardless. His job is to make sure that no accidents exist and that people are moving in a organized fashion.
The controller needs to learn more correct English grammar. "What taxiway do you enter the ramp?" can be taken at least a couple ways. Some might take it as which do you use to get to the ramp. Others might take it as which taxiway did you use to enter the ramp (like the pilot he was talking to). This controller would not have made it 20-25 years ago. But that's par for everything these days. Pidgin is not the appropriate language for ATC.
This controller is a prick,Hes having a bad day and taking it out on other people (pilots) if i was a pilot i wouldn't let him speak to me like that !!
This controller is wrong, he wanted to catch an attitude with someone and felt like picking on someone from abroad! He's a bully and an unprofessional prick! He should have spoken to a pilot from NY like that...they woulda put him into his place quick and in a hurry! What an ASS!
The first time the plane you are on runs into another plane, you want to blame the controller for not being stern enough.......Oh, the pilot got his feelin's hurt, growup, get-a-pair and follow instructions....most of you all wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds over Baghdad
Actually guys , the ATC guy being from ATC is part of it. West Indian people from NYC tend to be douche bags...especially West Indians like this guy. big attitude problems. Speaking from personal experience.
@AcepilotC172 the pilot ability to fly has nothing to do whit this problem, this is a communication problem, I’m sure the same happens when someone from North America lands in an Indian airport.
The atc should be used to this kind of situation; the way he reacted was just unprofessional.
Having said that, the pilot was also a cry baby. But saying he should not be allowed to fly on North America it’s just a retarded.
For what it's worth, I am a pilot. I also have a ton of respect for what those guy's in ATC do every day. I realize it can be crazy in the tower at times, But being grouchy doesn't often help. It more or less serves to further the break down of communications between pilot and ATC. I am sure that they both could have done things a bit differently.
how about being a decent human being then for the ATC?so he's having a bad day? so he's got this shitload of people to talk to? so the HELL what?! that pilot up there has hundreds of souls behind him he needs to get safely on the ground..i think i could hear an accent with the pilot, but just coz ur not that fluent in english doesnt give everyone the right to treat you like that..our world is slowly shrinking and english speakers need to get used to that fact..
@atheist0402 Pilots are required by international law to speak english. And be fluent in english. Grant it there's no reason to say "you want to fight with me?" But a controller cannot lose control of pilots at all. And they cannot be questioned and if not being obeyed can tell that person is causing a pilot deviation (bad for the pilot). They must speak english clearly and quickly. Especially in busy airports. Lives depend on it. There cannot be several repeats, otherwise people die.
@jmitterii2 good point..but the pilot IS fluent in english..fluency and having a good accent are two completely different matters..im fluent in the filipino language but you could say that i dont have a very good accent, causing some fluent filipino speakers to ask me several times to repeat what i said when im talking to them in their language..
@atheist0402 You're right there, the controller wasn't using proper phraseology. Like having the one aircraft give way, the controller says, let it go by you. So it goes both ways, as far as English. And in ATC proper phraseology is king for the controller. Controllers can fail certification and monitors if proper phraseology isn't used. However, repeats can break away from normal phraseology to whatever is required for the pilot to understand:"one zero thousand, that's ten thousand"
@jmitterii2 the ATC needs to understand of that..if youve gotten as high up as being an airplane pilot, then you must have some pretty good english skills, but that doesnt give native english speakers the right to bash someone just because a non native english speaker asks them to repeat what they have just said..but then again, the pilot may just have been stupid..lol..
@jmitterii2 that's what i mean when i said the world is shrinking..there's lots of people out there from non english speaking countries that's got mad english communication skills, some are even better than native english speakers, but we need to let in into the equation they weren't born speaking our language and be careful with our english accents and idioms..
@jmitterii2 plus, i dont believe they teach complicated english accents and idioms in english schools abroad..if they do, then yes, the blame can be totally given to the pilot..im a nurse who deals with almost more than 40 people's lives in a single shift and i get non native english speakers as my staff most of the time..what i do in shift report is i use standard english in a clear, simple, and easy to understand manner..
@jmitterii2 i usually cant afford the time during the day to rebrief my non english speaking staff coz they didnt catch what i said the first time..me and my staff deal with people's lives on a day to day basis, so my mantra in communicating with all of them is: say it right the first time, so i dont have to say it over and over again..
ATC is to abrupt with aircraft when they talk, pilots have a lot to deal with inside the cockpit and if they don't understand the first time they shouldn't get on their backs about it.
@fredfungalspore yeah he has complete control over everything but the thrust levers. So the controller can grab some bench and chill the hell out. I'm guessing your ATC. ughhh.
@fredfungalspore You sir are wrong. If the controller screws up, the pilot has no inclination nor is required to comply with an instruction that endangers the aircraft or it's occupants, and has full authority as the Pilot in Command to refuse the instruction or deviate from any part of 14 CFR 91. Why do you think appeals of FAA action on a certificate are made to the NTSB - not the FAA?
The answer is, if you can even comprehend this: ATC needs to be checked and balanced like anywhere else. ATC DOES screw up, and they're not allowed to be judge and juror to cover their guy's failings. Even a Part 121 dispatcher loses a little authority once a plane is wheels up, because it's the Captain's can on the line. So yeah, make sure you're actually a pilot or a controller before you try and talk intelligently about this stuff. Goodnight, junior.
Poor controller obviously having a bad day. He works at this place every day so is very familiar with the layout and is expecting everybody else to have the same level of knowledge. Also using non standard phraseology. Very poor controller !!!
"what taxiway do you enter the ramp?" IS very unclear. At a large airport there would be several taxiways, not one. If it's a request then it would be better to say "Which taxi way do you require to enter the ramp?"
If the controller is (unlikely) asking the pilot to confirm he knows that the ramp has only one taxiway, then he's being sarcastic and exceptionally rude.
Being a private pilot myself I can tell you it can be very nerve wracking when dealing with misunderstandings over ATC especially when one party cannot understand the other. I think both were in the wrong here, the controller, despite being busy the controller should have rephrased the question and been more clear while the pilot shouldn't have been so arrogant
The pilot? You're trying to put the blame on the pilot when the moron controller says the same thing six times and still can't make himself understood? He should have rephrased the question when it became evident the communication wasn't working. On top of that, this controller is just another problematic idiot and a pain to work with.
@MSLTUL agreed. something about these "New Yawker' Controllers" with their Brookyln Attitude sometimes pisses me off. Controller a hot head. not good.
@leroymoorejr When you deal with JFK, with many things on your plate, brevity is key. You must be listening at all times for instructions. If the pilot cannot understand simple instructions, that is not the controllers problem.
These folks are far from perfect, but this particular gent is about as good as they get. They are not only dealing with you in the tower, but other controllers, their boss, and others. There are a lot of eyes up there, and they all do one thing, keep it safe.
Hear at 3:04 there is something else going on in ground control room, you can barelly hear someother guy yelling at the back... funny crazy ATC room, what a day after all.
@freeportkid yes ASSHOLE, the men clearly doesn't speak english very well, it's the controllers responsability to make every one get there safe, no need to be that rude, no need to make that kind of enviroment, stressfull situations may cause accidents. The controller needs some anger management, attitudes and problems should not be brought to the work place especially flying an aircraft or managing air traffic
@maelo11 what taxiway do you enter the ramp? it's the same question you will always be asked at that point of your flight the pilot knows it's coming it's not a surprise he shouldn't have to ask a simple question more then twice at the most especially at JFK it is way to busy to have to ask the same pilot the same question multiple times
@freeportkid I'm sorry but that's not a routine question ( in JFK it is ), there are many factors that have to be taken into account (poor language, new pilot, fatigue), remember not all international airlines are as strict as US airlines, I've known many pilots especially from south and central america that don't handle english very well, and I do know it's a requirement to be a pilot (english is universal in aviation)
@freeportkid I'm just trying to say that the controller should take those factors into consideration and take it easier, that stressfull enviroment is not necesarry. I understand ATC can get stressfull I've been there and also some airports are a pain in the ass the first time you visit them, controllers should not expect all pilots to be 100% efficient if it's a new enviroment for them, that's why they invented progressive taxi instructions
@freeportkid The vast mayority of pilots don't ask for progressive instructions because they are affraid everybody would think there stupid, it's like asking a controller "say again", controller most the time get pissed with this question and it's just a matter of safety to ask twice if the instruction wasn't clear. In the end IT'S ALL ABOUT SAFETY
i know its a stressful job, this guy should take a break or something. If the pilot doesnt understand what you're saying, be more clear not talk louder ffs.
the Controller was in the right on this one. The pilot was a dumb ass. Ever try working inside an ATC facility when it's busy??? It's a frick'n PRESSURE COOKER! The pilot couldn't get his head out and he was wasting precious time by not paying attention to the repeated question from the controller. That pilot needs some better ESL classes.
taxing isnt life threatening really...what the hell do you call it when an A380's wing hits a VS of a CRJ 700 at jfk knocked the aircraft 45 degrees so never say that taxing is not life threatening
The controller did NOT make himself clear when asking what taxiway they needed to take to the gate. he just kept badgering...verbally bullying the pilot for an answer, when he SHOULD have been making his question more clear. In this case the controller was WRONG, and the pilot was right when he said in a calm tone, "Next time, polite with me." The pilot was right to say that.
@JetMechMA Your wrong ...ground should not have ask 6 times where a plane is going..and when your told to hold short you better do just that...IDIOT PILOT
@ted850760 No, you couldn't be more wrong. The controller took an attitude with the pilot immediately. Spoke sharply to him from the first exchange. Totally unprofessional. I would have suspended him for a week for that infraction. That would be one foot out the door. Next incident and out the door.
You guys don't understand. The controller was doing his job. ET503 needed to do his job, which is listening to ATC. If you listen to how many aircraft this one controller has to work with (and keep in mind that a tower has multiple controllers who are all controlling several airplanes..) you will understand what the controller means when he says that he doesn't have time for pilots who odn't listen and follow instructions.
@xploit7 i agree the controler was doing his job cause if the pilot can not handle the pressure of class bravo airspace the pilot should not be flying commercial it is a serious buissness
Dumb fucking controller, pilots need to focus on piloting the plane! they have lives on the line, they are not to be distracted by some motherfucking asshole in the tower. More respect on the pilots next time BITCH!!! or I will put my cock in your mouth.
@prov1987 You know nothing! He's taxiing, not life threatening at all. The pilot was in the wrong. The controller needs to keep the frequency open so other pilots that are actually in danger can contact him. I'm a pilot and I have more respect for ATC it's a very hard, stressful job.
@AirForceAuxiliaryNCO You are such as idiot! You are not a pilot and if you are I hope you don't plant to do it as a career because you are such an ignorant fool! commercial airline pilots have been rated as the number 1 stressful job in the U.S. You make me feel sorry for you, because now I have to explain to you that not all pilots are fluent in English, they have to travel to different destinations dealing with idiots like you and ATCs that think they know aviation, fool!
@prov1987 I actually am a pilot, and I've never meant you before so you can't make assumptions. And I guarantee you if you ask any pilot they will say ATC is far more stressful. I know not all pilots are fluent in English, but it's the international language of aviation. And no matter where you fly if there is a pilot in the airspace that speaks english everyone else has to. And last time I checked ATCs do know aviation. You don't know shit
@prov1987 And Air Traffic Controllers don't? think of it this way, A pilot may have 250-300 people on their aircraft. An ATC will have 5+ aircraft to monitor at one time, that's roughly 1200-1500 souls. They have the ultimate responsibly to maintain safe distance and separation between aircraft both on the ground and in the air. The ATC should have handled it better, but the pilot needed to follow the instructions given to him and respond properly by protocol.
What we've got here is.... Failure to communicate.. lol. One thing I've learned from the limited experience, 1. be nice to your controller.. they can help you out in a big way, or they can really make hell for you. 2. In this situation, it really take 2 to tango.... both side here are at fault for not maintining a calm attitude. Reguardless, I have listened to this particular controller on youtube on different occasions. He otherwise does a bang up job. Its not easy being a pilot or ATC.
damn right i think the pilot had every right to ask to be spoken to politely. he aint no freakin kid. i understand that these atc ppl have a tough job but you can still communicate with a pilot without talking down to him. the last time i checked kids dont fly planes. and the pilot ignored him several times before he asked to him to speak to him politely. and the atc guy has the nerve to say that the pilot didnt speak to him politely either. oh gimme a break.
yeah...this guy definitely needs to learn some patience. i work in brownsville twr and deal with alot of pilots from mexico. trust me...acting like a dick definitely makes things worse.
The controller was perfectly fine? Of course he talks fast, it's fucking JFK ground. He's controlling a TON of aircraft, he may not be talking to them on frequency but I guarantee you he's in there coordinating with tower. It's good to see tough ATC like this, keeping things in order. The pilot was completely out of line to ask for respect. Not only does this jam up the frequency, but it's idiotic. Nothing should be taken personally over the ATC frequency.
@markovicmitchell Yup, another stressed controller, finally cracking under the strain. He was able to headbutt three screens before knocking himself out.
Not sure if any of you here have flown into JFK as a Pilot, if you have you would know that they are way to busy to be breaking everything down barney style. At no time did the pilot make know that he did not understand what was being asked. It is standard training in the industry that if you don't understand an instruction, you make it know to the controller. This having been said, if you think ATC has an easy job, go visit your nearest airport and ask for a tour.
@yootmannt lol wanker indeed. I don't care how busy this was I be he would not of spoken to that pilot or anyone else face to face like that. No room in the world for wankers like that. he would of save him and everyone else on that freq a lot of time if he just sftu and slowed down. Send him to an Arab or Asian speaking country and get them talking fast to him, I bet he would of been one of the 1st to miss certain words or phrases.
thats why American are so dislike because of one dick brain.
Terrible controller, for sure he ain't controlling anymore or they sent him to small ass airport.
goodspeed777 1 week ago
I don't know if I'm missing anything here, but all I heard was a pilot, who I am assuming is unfamiliar with the maneuvering area at JFK, get a little lost while en route to the runway? The ATC is trying to get him to listen and the pilot, instead of holding position till he figures out where he is supposed to go, keeps moving the plane, putting other targets in possible jeopardy. Then the pilot gets mad at the ATC for being disrespectful?? I didn't hear the ATC being disrespectful.
RoopDaddy86 2 weeks ago
yeah, just what passengers need, an ATC to create tensions in the flight deck just before take off. What a dipshit. Its why i hate americans in general....too much arrogance is tolerated in their society and these people think they can take it further every day.
Quartz482 2 weeks ago
@Quartz482 Agree with U!
areruben10 14 hours ago
I would tell that ATC to go to hell if I had to deal with him.
DBH5601 3 weeks ago
The controller, while arguably too short at first, was ultimately in the right. I'd be pissed too if an aircraft decided to encroach upon a taxiway without clearance ESPECIALLY if there was another aircraft ( the CRJ) already taxiing on the taxiway. What's more, the (I'm assuming) ChinaAir pilot had been given instructions to hold short several times in no uncertain terms.
TSOG15 1 month ago
AAAARGH - Chinese robots have taken over the plane and they arent programmed to socialize or answer questions... System overloaded eminent meltdown!
flemmong 1 month ago
It's "he could have", not "could of", and "assessed", not "accessed".
bg11215 1 month ago
@bg11215 Sorry, Professor. I'll go back to the drawing board just for you.
elmayimbeNy 2 weeks ago
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hyzphs 1 month ago
English is the universal language of aviation. If a pilot and/or controller cannot clearly speak the English language. Then either/or should be at the helm of an aircraft or the microphone of ATC.
haastaboozia 1 month ago
@haastaboozia well said
The1Hate 1 month ago
High turnover rate!!
Christianpaul71 1 month ago
The controller has an accent, but it is NOT a NYC accent !
Jointlock 1 month ago
I love JFK controllers. I'm sorry the pilot should have a better grasp of English. JFK is one of the worlds busiest airports and controllers do not want to have to keep repeating themselves to pilots who are not listening.
Rambo9700 1 month ago
@Rambo9700 In the normal world, it's the ATC's Job to tell the aircraft which taxiway to enter the Apron Area. Not the pilot...so when he asks what taxiway do you enter the ramp, it sounds like what taxiway did you enter the ramp.
leathermodelcuir 1 month ago
the controller should have been relieved or he should've relieved himself. he lost his nerve. he was trying to take on everyone. a very bad sign already.
slightlytaillow 1 month ago
What a dick
JIMBO5444 1 month ago
Grow up little boys. Those are lives you have on board. No need to tit for tat.
cdlish03 1 month ago
What a total douche bag!!! This guy needs a swift kick in the ball sack. How unbelievably rude and unprofessional!
steve767300 1 month ago 2
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I think the pilot is more educated than controler..... :) So he fucked up ;)
FruityLoopsas 1 month ago
I think the pilot is more educated than controler..... :) So he fucked up ;)
FruityLoopsas 1 month ago
Take a break man!
flyboeingdelta 1 month ago
white folks......destroyers of the world!!!!!1
blackmoney37 1 month ago
would it kill him if he say ( what taxiway do you NEED / WANT to inter the ramp and NOT - what taxiway do you enter the ramp-?? not all pilots are native english speekers and very familiar with the local accent of the country they are flying to...safety is a big issue and this is why icao level 4 or above is a must ..the pilot didnt have any english understanding problem..he just didnt understand the question because of the way ( phrase ) the controller was asking it
speedisnotlife 2 months ago
All the controller needed to do was ask the Ethiad pilot 'What taxiway do you NEED to enter the ramp'. For most pilots visiting States or Kennedy for the first or second time, they arent used to having this INSANE system where the ramp and GND seem to be so segregated that they have to ask the pilot what taxiway they want to go on and if its OPEN! If controllers here are so aggrieved that theyre overworked and stressed they should spend a week at Heathrow or open more positions. Ridiculous.
UKV1452 2 months ago 2
It would help if ATC would learn proper English grammar before trying to direct aircraft. When he asked it in broken grammar it was ambiguous. The pilot thought he was asking how he'd gotten where he was, but ATC was asking how he wanted to get where he was going.
This controller sounds a lot like a typical difficult-to-work-with radio dispatcher at a cab company. Which may be his next career move...
malamagr 2 months ago
Controller did his best... I totally understand the controller.... I don't know maybe because Im from NY :)
chrisparypa 2 months ago
The controller was very unprofessional.
jconell26 2 months ago 28
Its not the accent. Its the inability to speak a full sentence that is grammatically correct in English. Verrrrry furstrating and typical in NY. This includes doctors office and now traffic control . SCARY!!!! I hate F"ing NY. People make up their own English language sentence and when something goes wrong..they same its your fault. When will a Tsunami come and take this place away. It's the armpit of the world.
bintyaqoot 2 months ago
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malamagr 2 months ago
Piss poor ATC conduct. No reason for it.
shortist2003 2 months ago 4
This controller at no point attempted to speak clear and concise when it was obvious the foreign pilot wasn't understanding his question. It's drama queens like this guy that give controllers a bad rap. Stop exaggerating your New York accent and act professional for once. When your fast, run-on sentence commands fail after 3 times it's probably time to take a different approach and speak the English language. Pathetic.
Josht56 2 months ago 31
@Josht56 exactly!
chrysalis72 1 month ago
@Josht56 unless you're an air traffic controller you better shut the fuck up right now. you are not allowed to talk shit about an atc controller unless you are one. and you think he's exaggerating his accent? BS. The pilot is required to be english proficient. He was not. and the pilot even had the nerve to ask the controller to be polite. AND the pilot deviated from a holding clearance. I'm sure the 17 people who liked your comment weren't controllers or pilots either.
DiamondPilotDan 1 month ago
@DiamondPilotDan It seems that you are implying that you ARE an air traffic controller. Should that be the case, your comments, whilst probably accurate, put down in writing here using nothing than profanities, speak volumes!! I rest my case!!
AlfWilbert 1 month ago
@DiamondPilotDan Oh I better shut the fuck up eh? Princess you should get back to painting your nails instead of trying to talk hard to me. When you're done painting your nails you should go clean the dust off of your toy planes fraud.
Josht56 2 weeks ago
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@Josht56 unless you're an air traffic controller you better shut the fuck up right now. you are not allowed to talk shit about an atc controller unless you are one. and you think he's exaggerating his accent? BS. The pilot is required to be english proficient. He was not. and the pilot even had the nerve to ask the controller to be polite. AND the pilot deviated from a holding clearance. I'm sure the 17 people who liked your comment weren't controllers or pilots either. again.
DiamondPilotDan 2 weeks ago
@Josht56 I's JFK! Have you ever flew through there? They don't have time to deal with a pilot who does not meet ICAO requirements for English proficiency.
blizzard242 1 week ago
Did you notice that the controller "gets an accent", when he is talking to the pilot. The controller probably has a HARD time even speaking English - and he is looking down his nose at the foreign pilots. Some BALLS, right!
mmichaeldonavon 2 months ago
Complain to the FAA and within maybe 1-3 years they take the case up or have lost it somewhere. JFK SUCKS and so does FAA, the really should rename FAA to what it is today, ITWAA, Incompetent taxpayers wasting aviation administration.
Sooksawaspakdee961 2 months ago
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wishpackers 2 months ago
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wishpackers 2 months ago
That's why all pilots should be able to speak English clearly and correctly.
CAPlaneSpotting 2 months ago
Mrtdw1954: if you look at a ground map of kjfk there are multiple taxiways entering the ramp. Each one is letter coded just like regular taxiways. Because jfk is so busy they can't have a lot of traffic crossing the ramp. So the controllers have them taxi around the ramp to the entrance closest to the assigned gate. This saves time and frees up some space on the ramp.
riskydude19 2 months ago
What taxi way do you enter the ramp? WTF does that mean? And I've flown.
MrTdw1954 2 months ago
They need a punching bag in the Cab... or a basket of stress balls...
ScudRunnR 2 months ago
Sometimes you have to know more english than proper Aviation terms to get by... Or know those to start with...
1. Pen
2. Paper
3. Taxi Diagram
1+2+3+A dash of understanding=Success
ScudRunnR 2 months ago 2
Sometimes you just have to let it go.
TheTopBloke 2 months ago
Looking at the JFK ground chart you'll see that the alphabet is not sufficient to cover all TWY's meaning that is very complex... YOU air traffic controller should realize that you know only JFK ground or maybe another two airports where you worked before where the pilot should know all the airports where he goes... THEREFOR ... as long as the pilot does not ask you about unreasonable things ... use the required phraseology ... I am saying this being an Approach Controller ... not a PILOT.
grmalx 2 months ago 2
i'm pretty sure ATC works for the pilots, not the other way around. ATC is there to make planes fly. Planes aren't there to make ATC run.
cduluk 2 months ago 2
@cduluk How right you are! Funny thing, however; the controllers (at least in the NE) are not aware of this.
mmichaeldonavon 2 months ago
Ok look these are supposed to be professional pilots... I understand if you didn't copy the 1st time ATC asked him the question, but 6 times and then give him trouble is unacceptable. You would understand if you were a controller at a busy airport. They are tying to make traffic as efficient as possible.
Instrument rated Pilot
cpt1radford 2 months ago
@cpt1radford You are forgetting the most difficult thing for these pilots. The language barrier. He most likely does not speak english as a native language and the controller could assist him by speaking slowly and clearly. Ive been to a lot of northeast airports where they don't seem to get this.
cavok84 2 months ago 5
@cpt1radford You are absolutely correct!! The NE controllers have a hard time with the English language, to begin with. Most of them probably have a "thrown", at home, in which they sit and tell all of "their stories" at the end of the day.
mmichaeldonavon 2 months ago
I will agree that GND was impatient, but when you are in JFK, traffic is heavy and it is important that communication Brevity is key. If you aren't able to communicate with the ATC, then accidents are waiting to happen regardless. His job is to make sure that no accidents exist and that people are moving in a organized fashion.
trechan 2 months ago
The controller needs to learn more correct English grammar. "What taxiway do you enter the ramp?" can be taken at least a couple ways. Some might take it as which do you use to get to the ramp. Others might take it as which taxiway did you use to enter the ramp (like the pilot he was talking to). This controller would not have made it 20-25 years ago. But that's par for everything these days. Pidgin is not the appropriate language for ATC.
egrahcrenot 2 months ago
@egrahcrenot I would have to agree, I think its mistakes on both sides.
trechan 2 months ago
lol Asiana 222
viksra 3 months ago
This controller is a prick,Hes having a bad day and taking it out on other people (pilots) if i was a pilot i wouldn't let him speak to me like that !!
mcwhizzkid123 3 months ago
This controller is wrong, he wanted to catch an attitude with someone and felt like picking on someone from abroad! He's a bully and an unprofessional prick! He should have spoken to a pilot from NY like that...they woulda put him into his place quick and in a hurry! What an ASS!
MrLancer84 3 months ago 3
poor Asiana pilot.!! hahaaha
Boy4321100 3 months ago
@Boy4321100 He's not asian, he's fricken Indian, like a dot head Indian.
coolsax64 3 months ago
@coolsax64 ok calm down man. how the hell am i supposed to know...
Boy4321100 3 months ago
@coolsax64 besides, i was referring to the pilot of the Asiana plane smart one...
Boy4321100 3 months ago
This Controler must removed from his position ASAP, his not speaking clear.... and his making many mistaces...
11Aldebaran11 3 months ago
The first time the plane you are on runs into another plane, you want to blame the controller for not being stern enough.......Oh, the pilot got his feelin's hurt, growup, get-a-pair and follow instructions....most of you all wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds over Baghdad
Robd40 3 months ago
an ATC asshole!!! should not be in charge of this!!!! maybe a Burger king job would fit him better
mamath82 3 months ago
Actually guys , the ATC guy being from ATC is part of it. West Indian people from NYC tend to be douche bags...especially West Indians like this guy. big attitude problems. Speaking from personal experience.
Daedalus294 3 months ago
@Daedalus294 How do you know this guy is west indian??
MrLancer84 3 months ago
Somebody was cranky at work that day!!! Controller was getting mad for no reason
mitchdman001 3 months ago
lol love the NYC area controlers...you have to be on your game in t
JamaicanDave1980 3 months ago
Welcome to Newark!
fazole 3 months ago
ehh i mostly side with controllers here...pilots are fuckin stupid...
JonPurdue7 3 months ago
@JonPurdue7 There stupid,yet know how to fly planes.. Right..........
Sniff34 3 months ago
@Sniff34 yep i can fly a plane too...doesnt mean pilots arent stupid, i see them every day do incredibly stupid things.
JonPurdue7 3 months ago
@JonPurdue7 Everyone does stupid things, its apart of life.
Sniff34 3 months ago
Those guys should NOT be allowed to fly in the US!!! I realize it's a foreign airline, but still!!!!
AcepilotC172 3 months ago
@AcepilotC172 the pilot ability to fly has nothing to do whit this problem, this is a communication problem, I’m sure the same happens when someone from North America lands in an Indian airport.
The atc should be used to this kind of situation; the way he reacted was just unprofessional.
Having said that, the pilot was also a cry baby. But saying he should not be allowed to fly on North America it’s just a retarded.
I am not from north America or India
josebrid 3 months ago
Bottom line, don't mess with New Yorkers! We don't take names...
sscheinfe 3 months ago
guy needs to get laid ....
DOGPOUNDBREW 3 months ago
Well ATC is actually one of the most stressful job so i kinda understand his attitude... LAWLZZ
FS98FSX 3 months ago
Is this real?
u1s1m1c 3 months ago
For what it's worth, I am a pilot. I also have a ton of respect for what those guy's in ATC do every day. I realize it can be crazy in the tower at times, But being grouchy doesn't often help. It more or less serves to further the break down of communications between pilot and ATC. I am sure that they both could have done things a bit differently.
rayraychapman 3 months ago
how about being a decent human being then for the ATC?so he's having a bad day? so he's got this shitload of people to talk to? so the HELL what?! that pilot up there has hundreds of souls behind him he needs to get safely on the ground..i think i could hear an accent with the pilot, but just coz ur not that fluent in english doesnt give everyone the right to treat you like that..our world is slowly shrinking and english speakers need to get used to that fact..
atheist0402 4 months ago 3
@atheist0402 Pilots are required by international law to speak english. And be fluent in english. Grant it there's no reason to say "you want to fight with me?" But a controller cannot lose control of pilots at all. And they cannot be questioned and if not being obeyed can tell that person is causing a pilot deviation (bad for the pilot). They must speak english clearly and quickly. Especially in busy airports. Lives depend on it. There cannot be several repeats, otherwise people die.
jmitterii2 2 months ago
@jmitterii2 good point..but the pilot IS fluent in english..fluency and having a good accent are two completely different matters..im fluent in the filipino language but you could say that i dont have a very good accent, causing some fluent filipino speakers to ask me several times to repeat what i said when im talking to them in their language..
atheist0402 2 months ago
@atheist0402 You're right there, the controller wasn't using proper phraseology. Like having the one aircraft give way, the controller says, let it go by you. So it goes both ways, as far as English. And in ATC proper phraseology is king for the controller. Controllers can fail certification and monitors if proper phraseology isn't used. However, repeats can break away from normal phraseology to whatever is required for the pilot to understand:"one zero thousand, that's ten thousand"
jmitterii2 2 months ago
@jmitterii2 the ATC needs to understand of that..if youve gotten as high up as being an airplane pilot, then you must have some pretty good english skills, but that doesnt give native english speakers the right to bash someone just because a non native english speaker asks them to repeat what they have just said..but then again, the pilot may just have been stupid..lol..
atheist0402 2 months ago
@jmitterii2 that's what i mean when i said the world is shrinking..there's lots of people out there from non english speaking countries that's got mad english communication skills, some are even better than native english speakers, but we need to let in into the equation they weren't born speaking our language and be careful with our english accents and idioms..
atheist0402 2 months ago
@jmitterii2 plus, i dont believe they teach complicated english accents and idioms in english schools abroad..if they do, then yes, the blame can be totally given to the pilot..im a nurse who deals with almost more than 40 people's lives in a single shift and i get non native english speakers as my staff most of the time..what i do in shift report is i use standard english in a clear, simple, and easy to understand manner..
atheist0402 2 months ago
@jmitterii2 i usually cant afford the time during the day to rebrief my non english speaking staff coz they didnt catch what i said the first time..me and my staff deal with people's lives on a day to day basis, so my mantra in communicating with all of them is: say it right the first time, so i dont have to say it over and over again..
atheist0402 2 months ago
3:05 you can hear someone in the back yelling
Kopihucky 4 months ago
ATC is to abrupt with aircraft when they talk, pilots have a lot to deal with inside the cockpit and if they don't understand the first time they shouldn't get on their backs about it.
haztronic 4 months ago
The PILOT has No say .....The Controller has complete control...
fredfungalspore 5 months ago
@fredfungalspore yeah he has complete control over everything but the thrust levers. So the controller can grab some bench and chill the hell out. I'm guessing your ATC. ughhh.
navyocs 4 months ago
@fredfungalspore You sir are wrong. If the controller screws up, the pilot has no inclination nor is required to comply with an instruction that endangers the aircraft or it's occupants, and has full authority as the Pilot in Command to refuse the instruction or deviate from any part of 14 CFR 91. Why do you think appeals of FAA action on a certificate are made to the NTSB - not the FAA?
Chappygolucky6 4 months ago
The answer is, if you can even comprehend this: ATC needs to be checked and balanced like anywhere else. ATC DOES screw up, and they're not allowed to be judge and juror to cover their guy's failings. Even a Part 121 dispatcher loses a little authority once a plane is wheels up, because it's the Captain's can on the line. So yeah, make sure you're actually a pilot or a controller before you try and talk intelligently about this stuff. Goodnight, junior.
Chappygolucky6 4 months ago
Dumb pilot.
e081194eng 5 months ago
Poor controller obviously having a bad day. He works at this place every day so is very familiar with the layout and is expecting everybody else to have the same level of knowledge. Also using non standard phraseology. Very poor controller !!!
jamesmosedale 5 months ago 4
@jamesmosedale Totally agree
AreaQNH870 4 months ago
It's funny because he's from New York and a stereotypical douche with an attitude.
WHATSHOULDOURNAMEBE 5 months ago 41
"what taxiway do you enter the ramp?" IS very unclear. At a large airport there would be several taxiways, not one. If it's a request then it would be better to say "Which taxi way do you require to enter the ramp?"
If the controller is (unlikely) asking the pilot to confirm he knows that the ramp has only one taxiway, then he's being sarcastic and exceptionally rude.
LIFBB 5 months ago 3
"what taxiway do you enter the ramp?" could not be more clear of a question, and this is an extremely common question to be asked.
Tempesta1138 5 months ago
Being a private pilot myself I can tell you it can be very nerve wracking when dealing with misunderstandings over ATC especially when one party cannot understand the other. I think both were in the wrong here, the controller, despite being busy the controller should have rephrased the question and been more clear while the pilot shouldn't have been so arrogant
guesswhat6789 6 months ago
@wfbrown66 Why is the Indian pilot arrogant but not the pilot of United 17?
cptnbennett 6 months ago
The pilot? You're trying to put the blame on the pilot when the moron controller says the same thing six times and still can't make himself understood? He should have rephrased the question when it became evident the communication wasn't working. On top of that, this controller is just another problematic idiot and a pain to work with.
MSLTUL 6 months ago
@MSLTUL agreed. something about these "New Yawker' Controllers" with their Brookyln Attitude sometimes pisses me off. Controller a hot head. not good.
drumdude46 6 months ago 3
The pilot is a beginner, he hasn't any clue of big aireport, his attitude is quite dangerous.
Pum0a 6 months ago
I'm a controller at London centre, and this controller just sounds like a total prat. No need for that behaviour.
Cavannaro 6 months ago 2
this is vegas isnt it?
PilotRyanProductions 6 months ago
That controller is a guaranteed impatient accident waiting to happen.
leroymoorejr 6 months ago 7
@leroymoorejr When you deal with JFK, with many things on your plate, brevity is key. You must be listening at all times for instructions. If the pilot cannot understand simple instructions, that is not the controllers problem.
These folks are far from perfect, but this particular gent is about as good as they get. They are not only dealing with you in the tower, but other controllers, their boss, and others. There are a lot of eyes up there, and they all do one thing, keep it safe.
otef434 6 months ago
Hear at 3:04 there is something else going on in ground control room, you can barelly hear someother guy yelling at the back... funny crazy ATC room, what a day after all.
sigwx1 2 months ago
It's New Yorker !!!!!!
xanh01 6 months ago
Too many controllers sadly behave themselves thus.... I would gladly give them my user-name. It suits them most certainly....
CommissarASSHOLE 7 months ago
Arrogant prick!
jonny96 7 months ago
tu tu tu light :p
produccionesterrero 8 months ago 3
Some controllers are just fucking assholes
maelo11 8 months ago
@maelo11 asshole? he ask the question multiple times the pilot should of listened and answered
freeportkid 8 months ago
@freeportkid yes ASSHOLE, the men clearly doesn't speak english very well, it's the controllers responsability to make every one get there safe, no need to be that rude, no need to make that kind of enviroment, stressfull situations may cause accidents. The controller needs some anger management, attitudes and problems should not be brought to the work place especially flying an aircraft or managing air traffic
maelo11 8 months ago
@maelo11 what taxiway do you enter the ramp? it's the same question you will always be asked at that point of your flight the pilot knows it's coming it's not a surprise he shouldn't have to ask a simple question more then twice at the most especially at JFK it is way to busy to have to ask the same pilot the same question multiple times
freeportkid 8 months ago
@freeportkid I'm sorry but that's not a routine question ( in JFK it is ), there are many factors that have to be taken into account (poor language, new pilot, fatigue), remember not all international airlines are as strict as US airlines, I've known many pilots especially from south and central america that don't handle english very well, and I do know it's a requirement to be a pilot (english is universal in aviation)
maelo11 8 months ago
@freeportkid I'm just trying to say that the controller should take those factors into consideration and take it easier, that stressfull enviroment is not necesarry. I understand ATC can get stressfull I've been there and also some airports are a pain in the ass the first time you visit them, controllers should not expect all pilots to be 100% efficient if it's a new enviroment for them, that's why they invented progressive taxi instructions
maelo11 8 months ago
@freeportkid The vast mayority of pilots don't ask for progressive instructions because they are affraid everybody would think there stupid, it's like asking a controller "say again", controller most the time get pissed with this question and it's just a matter of safety to ask twice if the instruction wasn't clear. In the end IT'S ALL ABOUT SAFETY
maelo11 8 months ago
i know its a stressful job, this guy should take a break or something. If the pilot doesnt understand what you're saying, be more clear not talk louder ffs.
DVAFP 9 months ago
the Controller was in the right on this one. The pilot was a dumb ass. Ever try working inside an ATC facility when it's busy??? It's a frick'n PRESSURE COOKER! The pilot couldn't get his head out and he was wasting precious time by not paying attention to the repeated question from the controller. That pilot needs some better ESL classes.
ColtDeltaElite10mm 9 months ago
Barring few, most of the controllers are "FUCKING ASS HOLES"
miragedelta 9 months ago
As an ATC, when you realize you're trying to sort something out with a pilot whose native language isn't English, SLOW DOWN your speech!!
sardanaphalus 9 months ago
taxing isnt life threatening really...what the hell do you call it when an A380's wing hits a VS of a CRJ 700 at jfk knocked the aircraft 45 degrees so never say that taxing is not life threatening
Ladiesman217n 10 months ago
@Ladiesman217n It can when the dumb pilot is crossing a runway that has an aircraft short final.
BSPbRaMZi 9 months ago
@BSPbRaMZi when i was saying taxing is not life threatning i was being sarcastic
Ladiesman217n 9 months ago
The controller did NOT make himself clear when asking what taxiway they needed to take to the gate. he just kept badgering...verbally bullying the pilot for an answer, when he SHOULD have been making his question more clear. In this case the controller was WRONG, and the pilot was right when he said in a calm tone, "Next time, polite with me." The pilot was right to say that.
JetMechMA 10 months ago 63
@JetMechMA @JetMechMA I agree thinks his a gift from god.. arrogant Atc everywhere... This has happened to me many times.
Nikedude109 6 months ago
@JetMechMA Your wrong ...ground should not have ask 6 times where a plane is going..and when your told to hold short you better do just that...IDIOT PILOT
ted850760 3 months ago
@ted850760 No, you couldn't be more wrong. The controller took an attitude with the pilot immediately. Spoke sharply to him from the first exchange. Totally unprofessional. I would have suspended him for a week for that infraction. That would be one foot out the door. Next incident and out the door.
JetMechMA 3 months ago
You guys don't understand. The controller was doing his job. ET503 needed to do his job, which is listening to ATC. If you listen to how many aircraft this one controller has to work with (and keep in mind that a tower has multiple controllers who are all controlling several airplanes..) you will understand what the controller means when he says that he doesn't have time for pilots who odn't listen and follow instructions.
xploit7 10 months ago
@xploit7 i agree the controler was doing his job cause if the pilot can not handle the pressure of class bravo airspace the pilot should not be flying commercial it is a serious buissness
Ladiesman217n 9 months ago
damn id hate to be in one of those planes xD
adamgamedude 10 months ago
Dumb fucking controller, pilots need to focus on piloting the plane! they have lives on the line, they are not to be distracted by some motherfucking asshole in the tower. More respect on the pilots next time BITCH!!! or I will put my cock in your mouth.
prov1987 11 months ago
@prov1987 You know nothing! He's taxiing, not life threatening at all. The pilot was in the wrong. The controller needs to keep the frequency open so other pilots that are actually in danger can contact him. I'm a pilot and I have more respect for ATC it's a very hard, stressful job.
AirForceAuxiliaryNCO 10 months ago
@AirForceAuxiliaryNCO You are such as idiot! You are not a pilot and if you are I hope you don't plant to do it as a career because you are such an ignorant fool! commercial airline pilots have been rated as the number 1 stressful job in the U.S. You make me feel sorry for you, because now I have to explain to you that not all pilots are fluent in English, they have to travel to different destinations dealing with idiots like you and ATCs that think they know aviation, fool!
prov1987 10 months ago
@prov1987 I actually am a pilot, and I've never meant you before so you can't make assumptions. And I guarantee you if you ask any pilot they will say ATC is far more stressful. I know not all pilots are fluent in English, but it's the international language of aviation. And no matter where you fly if there is a pilot in the airspace that speaks english everyone else has to. And last time I checked ATCs do know aviation. You don't know shit
AirForceAuxiliaryNCO 9 months ago
@prov1987 He was a jerk, but the Pilot still needs to shut up with the whole report...
AirForceAuxiliaryNCO 10 months ago
@prov1987 And Air Traffic Controllers don't? think of it this way, A pilot may have 250-300 people on their aircraft. An ATC will have 5+ aircraft to monitor at one time, that's roughly 1200-1500 souls. They have the ultimate responsibly to maintain safe distance and separation between aircraft both on the ground and in the air. The ATC should have handled it better, but the pilot needed to follow the instructions given to him and respond properly by protocol.
Jug250 10 months ago
What we've got here is.... Failure to communicate.. lol. One thing I've learned from the limited experience, 1. be nice to your controller.. they can help you out in a big way, or they can really make hell for you. 2. In this situation, it really take 2 to tango.... both side here are at fault for not maintining a calm attitude. Reguardless, I have listened to this particular controller on youtube on different occasions. He otherwise does a bang up job. Its not easy being a pilot or ATC.
unique1028 11 months ago
its beccause of ppl like him why jfk atc get such a bad rep. one things for sure me flying that plane, he wouldnt be talking to me like that
mmissthangg1 11 months ago
damn right i think the pilot had every right to ask to be spoken to politely. he aint no freakin kid. i understand that these atc ppl have a tough job but you can still communicate with a pilot without talking down to him. the last time i checked kids dont fly planes. and the pilot ignored him several times before he asked to him to speak to him politely. and the atc guy has the nerve to say that the pilot didnt speak to him politely either. oh gimme a break.
mmissthangg1 11 months ago
yeah...this guy definitely needs to learn some patience. i work in brownsville twr and deal with alot of pilots from mexico. trust me...acting like a dick definitely makes things worse.
bubu101502 1 year ago
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!
tomcat8492 1 year ago
to bad their aint no video to go along with this
bandit1741 1 year ago
I totally understand why the controller was pissed... That aircraft should have learned how to listen...
CathayGuy 1 year ago
The controller was perfectly fine? Of course he talks fast, it's fucking JFK ground. He's controlling a TON of aircraft, he may not be talking to them on frequency but I guarantee you he's in there coordinating with tower. It's good to see tough ATC like this, keeping things in order. The pilot was completely out of line to ask for respect. Not only does this jam up the frequency, but it's idiotic. Nothing should be taken personally over the ATC frequency.
plane63 1 year ago
What an arrogant moron. I am wondering how he would perform in any other language than his native 'american' ;)
pskru 1 year ago
We are only human and information has to flow or people die. Give the ground controller a break. Listen up people.
TheRebekahr 1 year ago
Someone yelling in the background at 3:06 ????
markovicmitchell 1 year ago 21
@markovicmitchell Yup, another stressed controller, finally cracking under the strain. He was able to headbutt three screens before knocking himself out.
sardanaphalus 7 months ago
is ETD Etihad airways or a private jet?
Triple777ER 1 year ago
Not sure if any of you here have flown into JFK as a Pilot, if you have you would know that they are way to busy to be breaking everything down barney style. At no time did the pilot make know that he did not understand what was being asked. It is standard training in the industry that if you don't understand an instruction, you make it know to the controller. This having been said, if you think ATC has an easy job, go visit your nearest airport and ask for a tour.
justroge8 1 year ago 2
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justroge8 1 year ago
atc wanker...
yootmannt 1 year ago
@yootmannt lol wanker indeed. I don't care how busy this was I be he would not of spoken to that pilot or anyone else face to face like that. No room in the world for wankers like that. he would of save him and everyone else on that freq a lot of time if he just sftu and slowed down. Send him to an Arab or Asian speaking country and get them talking fast to him, I bet he would of been one of the 1st to miss certain words or phrases.
thats why American are so dislike because of one dick brain.
barpatmat 11 months ago
@jaywildman69
No kidding. You are right.
I wonder if he's still as arrogant after he's been plastered on youtube for a few years?
marc3075 1 year ago
I am a pilot, too.
The controller should have used standard phraseology or at least unambiguous standard English.
It took a few seconds of thought to conditionally decide that the controller probably meant "which taxiway do you need".
When I get a confusing controller request, I repeat back, in my words, what I think the controller wants. "Are you asking me...."
Rarely had a problem.
But this controller aggravated this situation with a non-native English speaker.
marc3075 1 year ago
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marc3075 1 year ago
there must be some kind of phraseology for this.
"What taxiway do you enter the Ramp ?" is not clear enough even in plain language, let alone phraseology.
EvianSheba 1 year ago
you are working as an atc in one of the worlds busiest international airports. Get used to it.
deutschland2680 1 year ago 2
The correct ATC procedure for the controller should have been:
1. Pull out the metal rod stuck up his ass.
2. Rephrase the question: "What taxiway *do you need* to get to your ramp"?
drav1dan 1 year ago