Starcraft 2 - HD Terran v Protoss LZgamer v Whiplash From MLG Dallas game 2

[SwiftShaco22]

GO TERRAN STUPID PROTOSS AND ZERG RULE TOO MORE THAN PROTOSS

[katiekitay]

Word of this episode: "Wander up"

[falcosaurus]

WOW love battle cruisers :D

[Jonasklam]

cool game, didn't understand the destroying of supplies though.

[Enlightener57]

You cant make DTs with archives >.>

[AZNKC]

i need to learn how to accurately psi storm air... its time to learn... so i dont get fucked by mass void rays every again

[blackthunder924]

lol how could pheonix' won the last game they only attack air

units.

[JpeltakaCyberBeast]

@blackthunder924 kill workers, kill medivacs, scout, force the terran to make marines and possibly turrets.... must i go on?

[llrond]

can anyone tell me why they nerf protoss units but buff all terran units? Battlecruiser HP 500->550, yamato dmg 250->300, wraith -> viking, marine 40hp->55, tank 150hp->160, on top of all that they have thor, marauder, banshee, reaper, which are all godly counter units against protoss. Now for protoss we have.. stalker, the only ground unit that can attack air... 20 dmg nerfed to 15, psistorm 112 damage -> 75.. wow just wow, carrier 8 intercepters -> 4, corsair -> fucking phoenix. WTFFF??

[xFailenAngeiX]

@llrond because blizzard are terran players...no lie..check it up

[MagicalMan687]

Dude, its 4:30 am, and I told myself i'd only watch 5:00 minutes of this, but your great commentary and HD picture made me stay to watch the rest, as im falling asleep. Kudos!

[KAZA123BHA]

whiplash has a problem with his army. he just goes too high templar and he gets really cocky

[Moolate1]

wat does glhf mean?

[sabelomen]

@Moolate1 Good Luck Have Fun.

[GamerSpawn176]

@Moolate1 it mean good luck have fun, sorta obvious 

[TheSniped117]

David sent me to

[mrthomas2455]

x sent me

[skkang74]

damn this guy is better than husky and hd

[kgregzz]

@skkang74 you must not have watched either of them then. I dont think that diggity is even out of bronze league. He was calling a DT rush and warp ray? I think he watches the replays first and still cant call them.

[skkang74]

thumbs up if sent here by david

[ADxTygon]

WAT DO PYLONS DO? (sry no idea i had caps lol)

[battleprins]

@ADxTygon it creates power so that protos can erect buildings and warp in troops

[illirond]

stalkers are useless. i need my dragoon back

[ndf2d]

WHY do you videos take 10x longer to load then HD or Huskies shit.

[rabidbeavir]

Dear Diggity, I love broodwar as much as you, but a templar archives no longer builds dt's :P

[superdahoho]

still hanging in there diggity

thank you for staying with us

[hotstuffwatcher]

diggity u cant make dark temps with a templar archive u need the dark shrine

[entylsa]

Using the Yamato on his own depots might have been a good idea, but it had been even better to use it on the depleted extractor ^^

[Aixrotciv]

Cattlebruiser Online

[nehcrum]

2 things.

OP.

Terran is not OP, neither is protoss really.

It's just that Terran is easier to micro with, bioball is simple and straightforward, just stim up and move back while shooting.

Not OP, but means that lower lvl players have an easier time controlling them.

Protoss have easier macro. The warpgate makes it very easy to produce troops where you want them, and to keep up with your production. Less risk of forgetting to make troops while fighting.

Zerg is hard to play but not weak.

[amarstan]

Such a frustrating game to watch!!! Whiplash was so passive! He let LZ back in the game so many times. ARrrrrrg! How does Diggity stay so calm???

[3GreteL3]

hey diggity, i noticed in the early game you saw the templar archives warping and you said that maybe whiplash was going for dts. dts in starcraft 2 don't require a templar archives anymore, instead, after the twilight council, you build a dark shrine.

[Legola87]

Yeah I agree that LZ is juz goofing off in these two games. His macro/micro is too poor to be serious gaming. Probably relaxing after some hard games.

[teufelhexen]

Great commentary as always Diggity. You da man!

The game though, is another example of why I'm hearing more and more people say Terran is OP. They have the cheapest and most effective ground army compositions, the heaviest and most powerful air compositions and can get it all done on less bases than the other two races.

Mules = Min +

Medivacs = Mobile +

Reactors = Unit +

Not to mention it's just boring to watch. I might be off here, but I think it takes far more skill to play Toss and Zerg.

[stefanarak]

@teufelhexen I hate when people complain about mules. Terran's economy is balanced with mules in mind. Without mules, it would be crippled due to the ability of protoss to chronoboost its probes and not commit its probes when creating buildings, and zerg of course can get drones out way faster than terran.

[Alientcp]

@teufelhexen Play terran for a month, when you are able to reach the same w/l ratio than protoss, tell me if you think terran is OP.

Your answer will be they are not op.

[teufelhexen]

@Alientcp

I'm not talking about my play or casual play. The top level players and pro leagues are where the problem lies. There's 1-2 builds that can handle anything any of the other two races throw at you, air or ground. There is literally no drawback to pumping Marines, Marauders and Medi's for the entire duration of gameplay. Couple this with an easy tech switch over to Tanks or Banshee's and Terran is nigh unstoppable in the hands of a skilled player.

It's a noted problem.

[Alientcp]

@teufelhexen Is the same for all 3 races. MM ball vs zerg.= Multabling, That is nearly unstoppable in the hands of an skilled zerg player

MM vs toss. chargelots+colossus.or zealots+ht

that combo will be hard to deal under skilled protoss player command.

Your argument is not valid, terran is the slower at changing techs due the addons. And unless you dont play terran, you will never understand that they are not OP or whatsoever.

Each race can counter their builds if spotted in time.

[teufelhexen]

@Alientcp

You're forgetting those builds literally melt under 5-6 rax Marine/Reactor, Marauder/Tech Lab build. Terran can get out twice the units in half the time. You have to tech longer to achieve the units you're talking about with toss and zerg.

Again, there is no drawback for utilizing the MMM build all game long. You're twice the size of a Toss and twice as strong as Zerg in all early engagements. Try producing 2 combat units from any other race all game long. See how far you get.

[Alientcp]

@teufelhexen If you are foolish enough to let that happen without teching, of course you will be steamrolled. 4 Colossus can take down 40+ marines with combat shields and stim with minimal micro. If you have a wall of zealots or stalkers, the colossus deal more damage. Same goes for the HT, a few well placed storms OBLITERATES marines.

Really bro, when terran has those 6 rax is about middle/end game, i think no toss besides you will complain if terran go all out with bio.

[teufelhexen]

@Alientcp

I guess we'll see who's in the know when new patches come out.

[Mokumo]

i think he should have landed his vikings during some of the engagements... eh maybe. toss just couldnt find the answer to mass battlecruisers

[hrushikr]

Thanks for your excellent commentary. One suggestion: when there is a mass of high hp units like BCs, please select them so we can see how much health they have left. Thanks

[MaiBoA38]

Since when can you upload 31 minute games? This is tight.

[allo3333]

u need a dark shrine to get dts

[Stig573]

That's not 'creative play'. That's abusive play. Protoss in very weak in the anti air department. That wouldn't work against any other race.

[MrSouptits]

@Stig573 .....dont say that again

[Ryuouken]

02:42 "on 400 supply" :D

[ArtiKard]

Love such a cool airbattle, a lot of fresh air in usual tactics :)

[Orion8888]

Terran was just messing around this game. (going big air, risky fast 4 port banshees, not taking out that nexus....)

ouch, 25 hp!

[Wezuhley]

And what's a warp ray?...

[CaufieldinRS]

and this is why whiplash should've stayed on our college team :D

[Boboboy00]

Very, very rapidly.

[stoicG]

Diggity you really should be playing the game more in order to be more informative, just because it's not exactally like sc1 lol. Dt and templar tech will take different paths which you probabbly learned after this game, but I still suggest you do get some ladder games practice in, just to boost your commentating abilities. There's no way to say that without sounding like an ass maybe, but thanks for the upload.

[Wezuhley]

@stoicG I agree with stoic, and I don't think your comment makes you sound like an ass. When you see a Templar Archive and mention he might be going for a DT rush, it's just not good commentary. It's like seeing an offense lined up in a shotgun formation and predicting a hand-off to a running back...

[aimbotjesus]

I think toss had a chance to attack and win before the terran got battlecruisers. He could have used pheonix for vision and blink up to the main, forcing the air army to engage and lose their manuerability advantage. I think he just needed a lot more stalkers, too many zealots. I know he was using them as a mineral sink for his HT production, but that should have gone into probes. He was way too low on probes late game.

I think the terran strat was so strange and no one knew the right responses

[boat]

surprised to see LZ commit to an air force with 0-0 upgrades 32 minutes in LOL

[Beammeup87]

I'd love for you to cast the finals Diggity, I only really watch you, day9, and joshsuth as far as casters go. I don't like Husky or HD anymore because they seem to be less about the viewers.

[rdmqwerty]

templar archives only allows the production of high templar. you need a dark shrine for DT's. you seemed to mistake that a few times, diggity, but great game and commentary

[moviemaster2010]

btw dts take dt shrine

[ihaveyourcrayola]

Why haven't I heard of diggity? This is depressing.

[A2Assassin]

keep up the good work diggity! you are a legend.

[ZzyzxZzZ]

What is a "warp ray"?

[Rdwight12]

No outro!?

[jtbovis]

Just a friendly note Diggity, in sc2 a Templar Archives only allows you to make HTs, not DTs; to make DTs you need to make a separate building called a 'Dark Shrine' which is also available tech-wise after a Twilight Council, just like the Templar Archives :)

[CIoudFire]

My respect to LZgamer, instead of going MMM, nice to see a change in terran play.

[jamchew1982]

wow what can Toss do against BCs...

[Niichts]

How do you get long videos like this really? I've always wondered - I've seen some people who aren't partnered with google sometimes having much longer videos 

[ArmSor]

Can't make Dark Templar with Templar Archives...

[TheAsiaPomPom]

Exciting game and cast.

Great comebacks from both players.

[fowad27]

it makes no sense to me that the vikings have these giant jets, yet they move so slowly. They should resemble the human trend for faster and faster jet engines.

[khompressor]

You rock man!

[mini10700]

finally a carrier!! 

[d4n13lr0x]

Love the typo diggity

[abcz98]

Damn, this game shows how good terran air is when macroing

[danamoult]

this ain't BW, templar archives are only HT's mate :P

[LemonVince]

very depressing turtling end game. Yamato canon was great in BW, but I feel it's a little too powerful in SC2. I mean the antiair for P is Phoenix (lol vs BC), voidrays, stalkers and HT.

In BW the Dragoon was very efficient at sniping BC, now stalkers are too weak to do so. The only viable option is Voidray which is nullified by few yamato + vikings kitting. Yes, there is feedback, but very difficult to pull it off.

Here, the good old A-move wins when the P was microing like crazy. Depressing.

[myskillzrhi]

Protoss should've won :( shows that you should upgrade!

[LifestreamQc]

Nice typo in the title diggity!

[diggitySC]

@LifestreamQc What typo? I nevr make typos!

[Wezuhley]

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[AJ100885]

@Wezuhley im sorry you haven't subscribed earlier, diggity has been a starcraft genius for a long time ! check out his old videos, he's made several epic videos <3

[Nohman1984]

Great game and cast!

[Karmoon7]

Diggity, a lot of other casters have done MLG, but...

I think we would all like it if you did as many of the games as you could.

You're the best caster for SC2 out there.

I like the other casters - they're great!

But you're clearly the most professional and best overall by a fair margin.

[madchef]

Great game, great cast

[eburnsdaniel]

This was painful to watch! After the banshees started coming out it was impossible for P to win. If he had colossus to take out the bunkers he would have been better off. Protoss air versus Terran air is a joke. Canons are useless. Im surprised it lasted as long as it did. I thought whiplash did as well as can be expected. Never understood the argument that its fair that the only counter to BC is to not let them appear in the first place. Give me a break.

[beardedvulcan]

haha. This isn't broodwar.  Templar archives doesn't give you dark templar anymore, a fact I have really come to despise.

[SolarboyRockman]

2:41 Wait... 400 SUPPLIES?? DAMN, that guys macro is MAD lol :P. Ty for great commentary Diggity.

[246trinitrotoluene]

mothership would be focused by vikings... not worth it.

[XaVe182]

@246trinitrotoluene But give the rest of the army valuable time!

[mike11742069]

Diggity is Morgan Freemans white cousin

[amazingdany]

You'd need twice as many corruptors to defeat that BC flotilla, maybe 1.5 with corruption spell.

[stevenray3]

I'm a protoss player, and can say that Terran is not OP. learn to play for Aiur!

[SC2observor]

always wanted to see air army from terran but not like how LZ did it kinda boring game but nice cast thnaks diggity

[Zslone2]

I've never seen a high level play with a battlecrusier army. I mean WOW! GO DIGGTY FOR FINDING THIS!

[naranja18she]

terran is simply op.

[KuthaJuice]

@naranja18she You are simply a baby

[naranja18she]

@KuthaJuice well, welcome to terrancraft 2

[KuthaJuice]

@naranja18she Did you just loose a bunch of bronze games against terran then realize that you know better than a seasoned development staff at a world renowned and respected company.

All hail the balance king, his supreme understanding of the game makes every other opinion invalid.

[TedTracy]

@naranja18she

False

NA – Global – 11/11 PvT: 59.8%

Korea – Global – 11/11 PvT: 57.0%

[naranja18she]

@TedTracy True

Broodwar Starleague winning races

Terran: 18 times, Zerg: 10 times, Protoss: 9 times. Terran won MSL/OSL as many times as Protoss and Zerg combined.

GSL - Terran won once, Zerg won once. Season 3 race distribution:

Terran: 39%, Protoss: 33%, Zerg 23%

Yes sure, Protoss is strong in noob vs noob. But when it comes to pro vs pro, protoss suck. Don't deny that.

[jtbovis]

@naranja18she

GSL - Zerg won both season 1 and season 2 dude - FruitDealer and NesTea.

[TedTracy]

@naranja18she well I don't think you can exactly compare Brood War with SCII, but the top 20 in kespa are 7 zerg 8 terran and 5 prot right now. Prot maybe a more difficult race to be pro in, but I wouldn't call Terran significantly overpowered

and if you look at the diamond leagues

NA - Diamond – PvT: 55.3%

Korea – Diamond – PvT: 58.0%

Particularly in Korea, I think these guys know what they are doing and on the pro level, i think it comes down to the individual more than the race

[hac1m]

ugh he needed to masss void rays sooner. They used to be able to beat vikings with speed but I'm not sure since the nerf. Carriers are worthless nonetheless.

[234lalao]

Battlecruisers aren't made to absorb lightning, they're made OUT of lightning.

Excellent commentary, Diggity.

[DavenH]

Yeah diggity you should do a radio show, think of all the poon

[Sebbabix]

Nice unique game, great cast. Thanks again diggity

[neomerik]

theres a slight delay on the army tab, so that first push actually did even out the game alot. LZ went from 43 to 34 scvs, which put him ahead by only 3 workers.

[diggitySC]

@neomerik the problem with a push like this is you need to stop production at the natural expansion. Even if you manage to even the worker count out you still are being out produced 2-1 in worker units (and mules on top of it)

[sinepatre]

@diggitySC

Ya there was a moment after the attack where Terran had literally half of the workers and their income tab was even. Mules = imba.

No, seriously though diggity, you've been commenting (BW) games long enough, can you tell me any insight as to why the developers thought it was necessary to give Terrans the mule mechanic in SC2? Is free supply and uncounterable vision not enough to warrant getting orbital commands for at least the first CC?

[sinepatre]

@diggitySC

Ya there was a moment after the attack where Terran had literally half of the workers and their income tab was even. Mules = imba.

No, seriously though diggity, you've been commenting (BW) games long enough, can you tell me any insight as to why the developers thought it was necessary to give Terrans the mule mechanic in SC2? Is free supply and uncounterable vision not enough to warrant getting orbital commands for at least the first CC?

[Solidus1086]

Terran "balance" in action, no matter how stupid their build is they will still win against protoss even if they get hard countered...

[drizztisgod]

@Solidus1086 Where was the hard counter? Four or five Void Rays against 7 or 8 battlecruisers? No. Terran won because Protoss didn't go hard enough anti-air soon enough, and because he didn't capitalize to press home his advantage early. How do you counter mass cruisers? By stopping it early. You can't expect to use High Templar to effectively counter 3/3 Cruisers late game. It just won't work, as this vid showed.

[shurgsUK]

@Solidus1086 I don't play Protoss, but I'd still have to agree. It seems like they have the rough end of the stick right about now.

[246trinitrotoluene]

@shurgsUK

that's what she said..... yep

[mariwana18]

Diggity's voice is so soothing.

[worldsavy]

@mariwana18 haha agreed definitely one of the best sc2 casting voices