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  • Why didnt he ever heal someone with one leg ? Sounds a bit fishy " Oh , my headache has gone " is not compelling evidence for supernatural abilities. Healing an amputee would be a neat trick , but that was somehow beyond him ?

  • I love Ravenhill, but he's miles off here - the church IS the bride - period! There's no such thing as first and second class Christians - the foolish virgins were NOT SAVED! Actually, the reason was because they had not received the Holy Spirit (the oil) - they only had enough oil for a spurious profession of faith, like those in Heb 6:4-6. We actually work FROM our salvation! Yet it is the grace of God working in us.

  • This is false teaching. The problem is, sermonidex loves teachers more than truth. The foolish ones are not Christians, nor as some might call them "carnal Christians". Read the entire context of what Jesus was teaching through multiple parables in the Chapter "...cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness..." [Matthew 25:30] "...Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment..." [Matthew 25:45-46]

  • Even rewards are given by grace. Christ is the author and finisher of our faith. Rewards by works must also teach that man may glory in his works which merited those rewards. This would be sin. In heaven, we will lay our crowns at the feet of Christ and glory in the cross of Christ alone. This teaching from Ravenhill breeds pride and humanism.

  • 10 virgins ? sounds like a nightmare.

    I hope they are like my great Aunt Margaret,who was 80

    ps THIEF Leanne

  • @ilikezappa

    he was talking about a passage in the scripture

    Jesus talked about ten virgins waiting for a wedding

    five of them were prepared and five were not

  • prepared for what?

  • for the wedding

    are you a Christian?

  • No DarknessEats. Scientist . They are not compatible in my humble opinion. You cant believe the biblical account of Creation when you see all the evidence that stands in complete contrast to it.

    Darwin Vs Genesis ? No contest. Sorry

    Mean you no disrespect tho.

  • well, than you really don't need to worry about what the virgins needed to be prepared for

  • Well , I do have some concerns about people propogating religion , as it affects Civilization , which I live in . (well , sort of . I live in England so you only have to pop down the road to France to get to civilizaton)

  • tough luck on that one pal, feel free to go to hell if you so choose but I will continue to serve God and continue to encourage others to do so as well

    I'm sorry you don't like it

    but I guess that's life right?

  • I have already been to Kansas , so at least I will know what to expect.....

  • wow, aren't you just filled with hate

  • No , not really . Filled with love and admiration for the people who are smart enough to figure out the truth (scientists)

    and dont like to see them undermined by religious loonies.

  • you're pretty ignorant

  • Yeah , but I am good looking and rich , so it makes up for it .

  • @ilikezappa wow, so you have all the answers because you are up on the latest in scientific theory? that's amazing, won't you please tell me about them so that i may be educated? my biggest question is, exactly where does scientific theory(the one that you believe) say that the entire universe came from? oh, and one more question...do you believe that you can put all the parts of a watch in a bad, shake it for three hours, and then empty the bag to find a fully functioning watch? just curious.

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1 bag*, sorry...type o...

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1 Thats is the usual crappy analogy that shows you know nothing about evolution. Try reading The Blind Watchmaker , unless you think God will punish you for asking smart questions.

    NATURAL SELECTION IS THE OPPOSITE OF RANDOMNESS

    Scientists dont claim to know where the universe came from G4J . That is the job of witch doctors , Aborigines and Leonard Ravenhill .

  • @ilikezappa so you're saying that asking the origin of the UNIVERSE is a dumb question to ask? don't you think, that just maybe it might be IMPORTANT? by the way, many Christians...myself included, don't disagree with evolution, if by evolution you mean.,,"the changing of species over time", because we KNOW that happens, there's no question as to that, and we KNOW that natural selection happens. well, if you don't like the watch question...then, which came first, the chicken or the egg?

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1

    The egg , obviously . We know from the fossil records that Dinosaurs were laying them long before they evolved into birds .

    Asking where the universe came from is not a dumb question Guitar man . Claiming that you know the answer is the dumb part , when your evidence is crap.

    Ps another important question . Who is your favourite guitarist ?

  • @ilikezappa well, maybe the egg did come first, but the bigger question...where did the first egg come from?... is what i was getting at. that is a good question, and i'd have to say probably Terry Kath, Steve Gaines or Denny Dias...being from the bands Chicago, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Steely Dan respectively. i'm not really sure which one i like the most, but it's polish and not speed that i look for. :)

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1 My first Egg came from Safeways . Seriously though , your questions about biology can be answered by going to any university , where you will find detailed evidence , or asking a priest , who will quote you from his "Holy Book"

    Which one you place more weight is up to you . Yes I feel the same about guitarists . I would much rather hear Billy Gibbons play one note from his heart than someone shredding at 200 mph with no feeling.

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1

    When I say any university , I mean accredited ones , not Christian ones which are an insult to the name University and a travesty of places of learning.

  • @ilikezappa well, i was asking your opinion...on what you think is true. you see, all of these questions i've been asking you...if you didn't know are kind of bated. actually i'm on a one semester break from college, and i DO go to a secular school. interesting fact, all of my best teachers at this secular college(which by the way is accredited) have been Christians...the majority of the other ones teachers i've had bored me to tears...maybe it's just me, but that's the experience i've had.

  • @Guitarist4Jesus One of the best teachers at my school was the chaplain. I never said being a Christian makes you into a shitty human being. Most people turn to it because they have a desire to be better people. I just dispute the philosophy as being based on falsehood and resent the attack on science (which is wonderful) by fundamentalists , who are barbarians.

  • @ilikezappa oh, i see...well i hope you know i didn't mean any of that as an attack on science. the man who disciples me and teaches my bible study(of whom i have gained a profound respect for) is by trade a high school ecology teacher. instead of Christianity being a barrier to science, it actually winds up driving it forward...for us anyways. we see it as, "how can we be good stewards of God's creation if we know nothing about it?". the only thing we reject is an atheistic worldview. :)

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1 You say that Christianity and science are somehow compatible ? Well , only if you accept the following facts , which have overwhelming scientific evidence. 1 The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. 2 Evolution is an observed and unassailable reality and man shares a common ancestor with great apes 3 there was no global flood 4 There is no evidence to suggest that you live after you die 5 The book of Genesis is totally wrong .6 Kent Hovind is a dishonest charlatan

  • Let me know if you want 7 - 3000

  • @ilikezappa well, all of what you just mentioned, except for number six are an issue of worldview...not of science. you see, we both operate off of the same evidence(roughly) and yet come to different conclusions based on that evidence. the conclusions you come to are based upon your view of the world. if i say that humans and apes are 2% different genetically, you might say that's not a whole lot of difference, however, there are billions of of nucleotide combinations in that 2%.

  • @ilikezappa ...and only 15% of all mutations actually cause any change at all, and most aren't beneficial, and are "phased out" through natural selection. not to mention that mutations usually replace the genetic material that would otherwise be there(in a normal specimen). in those 2% of the genome that are different, there are many, many genes that are different...so, there would have to be thousands upon thousands of successful mutations that resulted in changing of the species.

  • @ilikezappa there actually was a calculation in one of the books i read, that gave an approximate number of how many mutations you would have to have for that to actually be the case. if you want to believe those things, that's your business...with the exception of kent hovind, as i have no idea who he is, but i personally find that after much examination, there is actually more evidence to support biblical claims, then there is to support atheism.

  • @ilikezappa i can tell you're very sure of yourself about all this, but it wouldn't hurt to check it out if you ever feel inclined to hear the other side of the scientific argument. if you ever become interested in that i can direct you to someone who is more practiced in that field, and can describe what i've been talking about with you better than i can. just let me know if you become interested. :)

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1 I read through your interesting debate. Cant the ''relationships'' with science and christianity be seen as two separate relationships. As a metaphor, I respect my mother and my partner but both can be difficult to understand, challenging to get along with and they will always find things to argue about. They are both extremely positive influences in my life but maybe they shouldn't spend too long in the same room together.

  • @stuartchamp28 good analogy, but they are hard...if not impossible to separate. i don't think they're incompatible though. i think most of science is seen through the glasses of a worldview. my worldview is obvious, i'm a Christian, others don't think the same way. some think of all science as indisputable fact, much of it is not...it's just theories and personal ideas to explain natural occurrences, as well as some unnatural ones. the difference is i trust God more than people.

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1 It is People who have told you what they consider to be the word of God . Dont forget that . Your worldview is based on a book which has been rewritten many times , to suit the whims of people ( kings , the church etc) If you compare the track record of Science ( deeply impressive) to the claims of the Church ( DISMAL) there is no contest. You trust baseless dogma more than observed evidence is what you are saying. Poor you .

  • @ilikezappa we still have the original texts for many of the books in the Bible by the way, and most of the translations out there are translated directly from those original texts. oh, and i'm sorry but science's track record is not that impressive...need i remind you of the first scientists like Aristotle, who thought that fire was an element, and that the earth was flat? i don't believe because of people, i believe because of experience.

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1 You are talking about the objective methodology that has taken your freezing butt out of a cave and put it in front of a computer , given you health ( hopefully) wealth and a comfortable modern existence. The reason we know Aristotle was wrong is because we tested the evidence . Something religion cannot withstand , which is why you insist that a 2000 year old book ( which also claims the world is flat ) is acceptable.

  • Your dismissal of mankinds hard won knowledge is offensive to the intellect G4J

    I think you should give me 100 push ups and then live as a neolithic hunter gatherer for , lets say 2 days , until you start crying and begging for a starbucks coffee.

    Science is crap ?? You dont know you are born dude .

  • @ilikezappa if you're going to effectively criticize something, you should know something about it first, just a general rule of thumb for you. i know that science tests until they get what they think is the right solution...the only problem with that is that they ALWAYS think they have the right answer, until they find out they're wrong. we have a verse in scripture that relates well to this " let us examine our ways and test them, and let us return to the Lord."-Lamentations 3:40

  • @ilikezappa nowhere in the Bible does it say that the earth is flat, you should try reading one before you criticize it. it's people(the same idiots you call scientists) who misinterpret Biblical claims who give you your so-called knowledge of the Bible. i'm not saying science is useless, it has many uses, and i'm glad it's around. you're right, religion cannot withstand testing, i'm not a religious person. i have faith . faith can undergo testing because it makes no false claims, unlike man.

  • @Guitarist4Jesus1 This would not be possible on a spherical earth.

    (Mat 4:8 NRSV) Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor;

  • @ilikezappa you're taking the supernatural out of God, remember all thing are possible through God. it doesn't mean that the earth is flat. remember all the other things that would not be possible if the laws of nature applied, like in 2 Kings 1:10 when Elijah called fire down from the sky to consume the captain of the king's army and all of his troops. Elijah, like satan, was not God, but God allowed him limited supernatural ability for a purpose.

  • @ilikezappa The problem is you are not looking at ALL the accounts in Scripture to see what is meant here. Luke 4:5 reads "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, showed to him all the kingdoms of the world IN A MOMENT OF TIME." Those last 5 words tell us that Jesus is not just gazing over the earth looking at Kingdoms, satan showed him the British Empire, the USA, ALL of them, it was a VISION, and had NOTHING to do with Line of Sight. Hope this helps, God bless.

  • @TheCHURCHinDROUIN Why ? Jesus was God and would already know this stuff. Why would you need to show God things that he already knew ?

  • @ilikezappa Jesus was the GOD-MAN, that means God became a Man, part of this was that He experienced the world just as we do. Jesus didn't heal people because He was God, He did it by Faith in God, just like we are to. Hebrews tells us that He was tempted, but God can not be tempted. The Temptation of Jesus, was His HUMANITY being tempted just like you and I are tempeted daily.

  • @ilikezappa the funny thing is you think i know nothing about evolution, when i believed and bought into the whole evolutionary worldview, as i thought it was undisputed. there was no other theory that was presented to me, i was shown proof of nothing else. you'd probably be surprised to know that i share the same concern as you about religions going around and attempting to influence the public. However, i have no problem with people influencing others with faith.

  • @ilikezappa of course, my views changed when i came to Christ. i'll tell you, to be an atheist, knowing full well about all of the things that science does not adequately explain...i wish i had your conviction...

  • Ravenhill on a great sermon w/ the 10 virgins, never thought about that before.

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