I like your channel but as an FYI that hat is not a Commodores hat. You are wearing the hat of commanders and captains. ranks of commodore (which doesn't exist anymore) and above have an extra row of gold oak leaf cluster
ya and they hallucinated soo much that the japanese decided to cancel an entire whaling season cause they didnt want to be near drug dealers. you know what its like to be trippin balls yeeeaaaaaaaaaaa!
Japs like to kill mother whales with their little babies! Cowards!!!! Look it up!!! Sea Shepheard? can you say 'Dirty hyppies on junk yard boats'! LOL
Camon Motherf... lets do this thing! Where are you jap whaler defenders? Or should I call you BLUBBLER CHEWER ASSOCIATES! Hahahaha
You may not like what the sea Shepard does, but the fact remains that they are succeeding in their fight. The Japanese whalers lose tens of millions of dollars each season as a result of their campaign.
God bless you Propagandabuster! Keep exposing the Sea Shepard for what they are cowardly pirates. Especially captain kangaroo and his crew of pink panty men.
@jasonrtaylor - Certainly. But you will have to get your hat off eBay. I run a cheap navy. People do not pay me $2,000 to join like the crew of Sea Shepherd pay to sail on that rust bucket garbage scow.
@agaen96 The Sea Shepherds do a lot for the world? Let's see: Paul Watson fakes being shot to help the ratings of the show Whale Wars, they intentionally sped up the Ady Gil to force a collision with the Japanese ship and then blamed the Japanese for the collision, they treat illegal boardings of Japanese vessels like it is equal to jaywalking, and they endanger Japanese lives every time they encounter them. Don't you mean to say the Sea Shepherds do a lot for themselves?
@Lakekepler They're saving the whales. Listen now. If the whales die, something else will die, and something else, and this goes in a chain until human dies. I think they do enough for the world
@agaen96 They are saving whales? Really? Last year Paul Watson gave himself full credit on a one-for-one basis for EVERY single whale that the Japanese whalers missed quota by. Do you not see any problems with that? Other countries participate in whaling and NONE of them achieved quota, so even if the Sea Shepherds had not gone to the Southern Ocean the whalers would not have achieved quota. The Sea Shepherd organization is a joke that gets funding based on lies.
@agaen96 I am opposed to whaling but I'm even more opposed to the dangerous and illegal tactics of the Sea Shepherd organization. and please don't say that humans will die if whales die; that makes no sense and it is a direct quote from Paul Watson who is far too ignorant and self-absorbed to ever research why whales dying WILL NOT translate into humans dying.
@agaen96 your channel says you are in Norway. I lived in Europe for several years and I always thought that Norwegians, and europeans in general, were very intelligent. You on the other hand seem to be either retarded or a shill. There ARE NO FACTS that show that humans will die if the whales die. There is no part of our ecological system that has a dependency on whale survival. If there was such a dependency then every nation our outlaw ALL whaling. Please finish school.
@Lakekepler I am in fact smart. But I acctualy see the reality. I don't say that the very second the last whale dies, the human dies. But over time, things will die due to not having whales. Don't you see the reality? If one thing dies, another thing dies, and so on and on until after years and years, there are nothing left.
@agaen96 referring to yourself as "smart" is becoming increasingly dubious. In ecology the death of a species causes the death of another species when there is a dependency between the two. Paul Watson has said that the death of whales will result in the death of humans but it is completely fallacious. If every single whale on earth died NO HUMANS would die as a result. Not today, not tomorrow, not 1000 years from today. Stop believing Paul Watson's propaganda.
@agaen96 When you made the sarcastic remark about Madonna I started to say something sarcastic back but then I realized its almost midnight in Norway. You are saying all these crazy things because you need a good nights sleep. maybe when you wake up you will realize that the Sea Shepherds are led by a narcissistic person that craves constant attention so he makes up many of the stories that you actually see on Whale Wars. Like the fake shooting. Its truly disgraceful. night night.
@Lakekepler Well, nope. I usually don't go to bed before 1AM every night. And i still manage to get good grades in school. So it's normal for me. No crazy talk here. Have a good life. Bye
I think he looks more like Chumly from tennesee tuxedo rather than capitan kangaroo which smears Bob Keeshan who at least was a veteran and attended college. I wonder if the "admiral" even has a highshool diploma??
What a fucking moron. You do realize that what the whalers do is just as illegal as the these renegade mariners right? Ask just about any captain of a ship what they think of whalers and you're sure to get an earful.
Don't let the idiocy of this fool entice you, it's what he does for attention.
i think you have mental issues PropagandaBuster. what do you do think about your jokes all day. Or maybe your trying very hard to get in a Barney show. Sea Shepards rock!!!!!!
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Paul Watson is also getting huge profit from individual.
・In Australia in 2009. The contributions of the individual gathered for about 10 million dollars (9 million US$).
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Also if u say o well its the commercial thats bad then fighting the boats is not how u take it out. U have to use politics and gradually get rid of it not ride over there and get in front of boats. U cant just get rid of one main resource for a country. Look at prohibition. Im all for making them stop but thats not how u do it.
PS: To all of u dumbshits its not illeagle in Japan
ummm... We Americans are way worse and if u wanna call a way to get money for small time fisherman illeagal then ur a dumbshit. And wat that asshole is doing is just endangering lives.
I love how this boob never backs up any of his statements, he just vomits his opinions and calls people names. What he doesnt understand is that yes, it is ALL a game. Sea Shepherd is playing at being lawful in their actions because the law has so far refused to step in and stop an illegal whale hunt. (course, he probably conveniently ignores the fact that it is illegal to make his opinions easier to swallow)
its not the good ship sea sheperd its called the stev erwin and they are law inforcement .... there stoping illegal whaling .... and u sir are an idiot =)
Please don't lump all liberals in with these entitled children terrorists.
Just because I want good healthcare doesn't mean I support assaulting people in the Southern Ocean. This isn't an issue split down party lines. Mostly because the pundits at Fox and MS haven't told the sheeple in either party what to believe yet.
@memberbs If NATO would police the open seas there wouldn't be any need for the Sea Sheperd. But because NOBODY is willing to forcefully stop the illegal whaling by the Japanese, then all that's left are the courageous volunteers of the Sea Sheperd. I hope the Japanese fleet sinks to the bottom sooner rather than later.
This tosser likes little boys and has no job as people arnt interested in employing such a dirty bastard. So he sits inside a little room making crap videos, too scared to go outside cause he knows hel get the shit kicked out of him.
Lol. I'm not really going to get into this but it's hilarious how there are a tonn of people calling these guys terrorists and pirates, and a bunch of people fighting tooth and nail saying no they are not, and they've even hoisted the jolly rodger. I Rofled. lol
It's true the whalers are whaling only for money no scientific research. I mean seriously think about, the ICR site shows no data sheets or results even if you click the link, they also won't let you read any of their so called "articles". Another thing if Japan is using the excuse of "culture" thats fine, but keep it within your own boundries please! The world doesn't want to see that!
I know and they even have foundations to save koala's, i mean serious they shouldn't try and save more than one species at a time! (if you didnt notice that was saracasm)
Yeah, Australia has transported many koalas from mainland to islands, and now the koalas in those islands are becoming pests eating up eucalyptus trees there. So, the mainland koalas are becoming endangered, while the islands ones are getting sterilized. Best managing indeed. (if YOU didn't notice that was sarcasm)
Australia "had" transported koala's in 1923 and 1925, and yes due to a number of reasons they are incidently destroying their own habitat and now have to be kept in check, but the fact is while they are endangered we haven't hunted them since the 1920's, and yes we are at fault for many reasons, the big question is are you willing to make the exact same mistakes as we did.
My question is why you think the whaling we do is "the exact same mistake" you did.
American government has been managing the aboriginal whaling, which means they've been hunting the bowhead which was the more endangered species than Japanese whalers hunt. But now the government stated their "conservation" was so successful that the whale population was recovering. They do both hunting and conservation, but do not allow Japan to do the same thing? What is that all about?
American aboriginal population is small. They take only what they need for their small population in own waters. They dont use factory ships and dont hunt in others waters. They dont stockpile their meat because they cant sell it. You say Japan doesnt waste any part of the whale? but why is their so much meat in warehouses that people dont want to buy? Isnt that a waste? There is a big difference between small scale american aboriginal whaling and japans factory ship whaling!
No matter how, where, or by whom whales are hunted, the most important thing is to conserve the whale resources not to go extinct. Thus, we must figure out not only "how many" we take but also "out of how many" we do. I don't expect you can understand it, though.
It's not a waste at all, as Japan is not selling it to YOU. Do you know how much the ICR earn from by-product annually? Sure, excluding its subsidy. How can they get such income, if we don't want to buy it?
not killing them is a good way to make sure they dont go extinct!
It is a waste if the whale meant is wasting away in warehouses. That is why the government tries to give it away to schools. They are taking more then people are willing to buy.
Did you know Australia also earns about $340 million a year from whale watching. How can Australia get such an income if you kill them?
The whales in Japans waters are enough to feed the small population of japan that wants to eat the meat isnt it?
Not killing is not the only way, as the aboriginal whaling proves that. I'm talking about the conservation of the whales, so please don't change the topic.
"How can Australia get such an income if you kill them?"
What do you mean? Japan has been whaling in the Antarctic, and Australia earns that money from whale watching. Both are possible, we don't have to choose one.
Japan is famous for overfishing, not sticking to quotas...overall not following rules. If Japan ever got permission to do commercial whaling how could any other country trust them not to kill more then legally permitted? And if it is cultural whaling why not keep it cultural...factory ships and whaling in Antarctic waters was never traditional method or place for whaling. It only started after the war because of food shortage!
cultural japanese whaling was small scale and only done in some coastal towns to feed local population. They only took what they needed...they werent as greedy as they are trying to be now!
Tuna and many kinds of fish come from all over the world, and we eat them as Sushi and Sashimi. What's wrong with that? Flour comes from America, Australia, and Canada then turns into traditional Udon noodle. What's wrong with that? Why only WHALE must be harvested within the Japanese waters?
nothing is wrong with that...as long as you obey international laws and set quotas...something japan has a problem doing. commercial whaling is illegal so if japan wants to do cultural whaling of course it should be done as traditionally in own waters.
If you believe commercial whaling is illegal, just remember that the ban is not "eternal" one but "moratorium". You know what "moratorium" means. When the moratorium becomes unnecessary, commercial whaling shall be not illegal at all. For that, we need to research. In other words, as long as the moratorium continues, Japan has rights to do research whaling.
But thank you for your approval for Japan's coastal whaling. I hope Australia will permit it someday.
the ban may not be eternal but it is in place now. Japans research has no meaning unless it shares the results of its research. What research has been done that requires killing over 1500 whales a year in a whale sanctuary? Unless Japan can produce that I dont think anyone will trust their research!
if Japan cannot produce these results then it shows that Japan is not doing legitimate scientific whaling but illegal commercial whaling under the moratorium...(illegal now)
All or most of the data are available for anyone if required, as the ICW say. Any kind of research will be useless if you are anti-whaling, but it's necessary for us as we hope to do whaling sustainablly and eat its meat safely.
can you give me a link to the research...and if possible tell me what research requires killing over 1500 whales a year? I have seen some research such as mixing whale sperm with cow ovary etc but nothing that seems required for Japans purpose. Considering IWC asked Japan to stop its research I think Japan should be promoting the scientific research it has done...that is one way to get understanding from the international community!
You know there are generally two kinds of research. Basic research and applied one. Collecting data is basic one, and researchers try to make something new or find new facts, dealing with those data. Did hunting 1500 whales a year threaten any whale species? How many mice have been killed by now? Is that too many?
even so...whether or not whale species have been threatened until now...its what will happen in the future. Whales generally give birth to one baby a year...mice 20 or so every few months so not a good comparison!
As I said before Japan is not good at sticking to rules when it comes to fishing so I think there is a good chance Japan will start overfishing whales and may lead them to extinction if commercial whaling was allowed!
Think why Japan has not leave the IWC yet. If Japan were to get a chance for overfishing or overwhaling, it must have the best way. Just think why they didn't so.
I think they havent left IWC because it would make them look worse to the international community. The anti-whaling feeling would increase and it would be bad for Japans standing in the international community. I think that is the only reason!
they left but did not do whaling in international waters, another countries waters or a whale sanctuary. They are doing small scale cultural whaling. Japan wants more than that so there is no way they could leave the IWC and continue whaling in antarctic waters. There is no way the international community will respect them if they did that. They could leave IWC and do small scale whaling in own waters and most of the world wouldnt bother them...but that is not what japan wants!
So you mean actually few of you cares about conservation of whales. Killing 150 fin whales is "small scale whaling" for you if it is conducted locally? I can't believe it. What a double standard.
Antarctic ocean is the area that has most plentiful whale resources, and whaling there will never be in sight if you curiously come with cameras then take bloody photos and videos. I wonder why you're so interested in "whaling watching."
what comment made you think i dont care about whale conservation? yes...those 150 fin whales are killed in own waters so is local.
Yes...antarctic waters is most plentiful of whales...thats why it became a whale sanctuary. have you ever done whale watching? it makes australia $340million a year so its obviously a big deal for the people that do it!
Though i have never gone whale watching, we can do that in Japan as well.
Australians can do whale watching if Japan keeps whaling in the Antarctic. Actually they are doing so now. Most of whale populations are increasing, hunting less than 1% of them doesn't make the whales decrease or go extinct.
"If Japan ever got permission to do commercial whaling how could any other country trust them not to kill more then legally permitted?"
Is that your personal question, or your government's? Such prejudice is nothing but to reveal your bias. In japan, there are only several whaling ships that can conduct whaling in the Antarctic. It's easy to watch on them, since SeaShepherd are doing that easily, aren't they. How about asking SS not to ram into but just to keep an eye on the whalers?
How can it be bias when it is fact? in the past 20 years Japan has illegally taken $20BILLION worth of southern blue thin tuna from waters around australia.
Sadly, illegal tuna fishing is happening around the world, not only Japan. You can't think it as the reason to go against Japanese whaling.
A whaling ship is required to have special structures and equipments, unlike tuna fishing. So whaling can be controlled easier than other fisheries. Besides, you said there is little demand for whale meat in Japan, didn't you? Then, why do they have to hunt too many whales?
Where do you get your data from about whale populations increasing? outdated Japanese data from 1987 or the data that Japan says populations of fin and humpback are increasing 14-16? Which IWC says is biologically impossible.
Then, why do they have to hunt too many whales? ...Exactly what I have been asking you! Why do they need factory ships to feed a small percentage of Japanese people when cultural whaling in own waters would meet demand? Why do they stockpile meat that noone will buy?
First I have to say whale meat is not stockpiled too much like you say. Whaling is a seasonal job. There is plenty meat soon after the whaling is done, then it decreases gradually.
The humpback whale, which is the most popular with the whale-watching people, is now categorized into "Least Concern" by the IUCN. The fin whale's status is still "Endangered", but the information also says "in the absence of current substantial catches it is probably increasing."
According to Japan Fisheries consumption of whale meat is around 450 tonnes per month. Current stocks of whale meat in Japan are 3855 tonnes. Therefore the whale meat being sold to Japanese people is on average 3855/450
=8 1/2 months old? And remember that is from Japan Fisheries so I would assume the real stockpile is higher. But still...8 1/2 month old whale meat?
Least concern means: now we can hunt them til they become a concern? probable increasing means: safe to start killing them?
You asked me where the data was from, so I just gave you the answer. Now people hunt kangaroo, deer, bison, foxes, swans, tuna, sardine, etc.etc. but who asks to those hunters, "Can we hunt them til they become a concern?" What a nonsense. We should hunt them within appropriate quotas not to make them more threatened, and that's what Japan has been requiring for years.
450t per month? But you said "no one will buy." Which is correct?
The lower than average stockpile this year is easily explained because whaling was suspended early last season due to fire on nisshin maru last season so instead of the target 850 minke whales and 10 fin whales only 505 minke whales and 3 fin whales were killed. Even though the stockpile is enough that the government is trying to get rid of it by giving it away in school lunches. Force children to eat what cant be sold to make room for more unwanted whale meat next season! so both correct!
I think you should get over your habit of switching conversation to another topic before you conclude one. Now you began talking about the stockpile of whale meat, which means you just gave up saying "Japan is hunting endangered species!" as a reason to protest whaling.
Conclusion: From a view of conservation, Japanese whaling doesn't makes whales more endangered.
I didn't change topics...I answered your question! 450t per month? But you said "no one will buy." Which is correct?
Not many people will buy the meat so Government is doing things such as giving it away for school lunches to deplete stock and make room for next seasons catch. That is included and makes up a lot of the 450t consumed. Even though Japan couldnt catch its quota last season there is still plenty of unsold whale meat that the government needs to give it away to make more room!
My question was somewhat sarcasm to someone who began to say Japan was stocking whale meat too much. Eating whale meat at school lunch is nothing special, sometimes it's a part of food education for children to know how and where the food we eat comes from and what local and traditional food they have. Some students even raise and eat pigs by themselves, to know what the life we take is. And government is not giving away but selling it, as they need to apply the money to continue whaling.
Then why was it only reintroduced to school lunches recently? To give the younger generation a taste for whale meat so they will have more consumers in the future?
Just because food education law was enforced recently. Maybe it's partially because of some food safety issues of these years. I don't think popularizing whale meat is bad. Generally, Japanese people do not eat so much sheepmeat, though it's popular in my region. Now it is becoming a little more popular than before, thanks to the effort of the people of Hokkaido where I live. The same may go for whale meat.
Food education law was passed in order to get rid of whale meat stockpiled in warehouses. Its not education. Its a good way to dispose of unsold whale meat. Is whale meat becoming more popular because of the efforts of whaling communities or because of efforts by the fisheries department?
"Food education law was passed in order to get rid of whale meat.."
Ahaha, nice joke!
"Is whale meat becoming more popular.. ?"
I don't know. Distribution channels of whale meat in Japan had been almost destroyed in the 20 years long moratorium. It seems not so easy to recover them to the previous level.
Next question: I didn't say "Japan is hunting endangered species!" I said Japanese data on whale population is outdated and their claims of population increase is biologically impossible according to IWC. There is no exact figure on the populations of whales Japan is hunting but with the whales slow growth rates whaling large numbers will never be sustainable and with the quotas Japan proposes will lead them to becoming endangered in Antarctic waters.
Then would you tell me why the American aboriginal whaling is considered to be sustainable? To explain that clearly, you need to figure out at least their quota, the population of bowheads, and the accuracy of their research. Please remember to keep yourself away from outdated excuse that they can't live without the whaling.
They have a quota of 67 per year but on average catch about 41 annually. The population is more than 10,000. Even with this small hunt Western Arctic Bowhead whale populations have been steadily increasing. Census conducted using bioacoustics, and statistical analysis. As they are doing aboriginal whaling of course they dont need to do research on the whales caught. Either way this has nothing to do with Japans case. Japan is not doing aboriginal whaling! Stick to Japans situation please!
Well then, let's take a look at the fin whale and the humpback whale.
Fin whale
Population:12,000 or so
Quota: 50 (it had been 10 until a couple of years ago.)
Catch: 1 (last year)
Humpback whale
Population: over 80,000
Quota: 50 (0, until a couple of years ago)
Catch: 0
If you think the aboriginal whaling is "small hunt", Japanese research whaling is smaller at least on these two species. And you didn't mention why you believed the bioacoustics census is accurate enough.
Where do you get your information that the Fin whale and Humpback whale population is increasing?
Bioacoustic and statistical analysis census is not accurate. They can only count the whales they can see and hear. So the population is likely to be more than the number provided in the census.
There are both denials and approvals about the data. Don't label it outdated just because you hope so.
This is my personal view. Anti-whaling nations can keep the moratorium ongoing as long as the debate goes on, meanwhile, Japan can conduct research whaling. So their interests match, intentionally or not. That may be a reason why they don't make a conclusion by now.
By the way, the aboriginal whaling is not required to do any research on the whales they catch, which means they may be eating poisonous whale meat every time. Wow, the staff of "The Cove" should pursuit this! Mercury poisoning! This is a great secret, covered by government!
Of course research has been done on mercury levels of bowhead whale meat. They are much lower than those of other cetaceans and safe for consumption. Highest mercury levels come from toothed porpoises and dolphins. The most commonly consumed cetacean in Japan.
Even baleen whales sometimes has high mercury in some of their organs or blubber, and need to be processed properly. You know they slaughter and bring meat to their homes as soon as they hunt a whale. How can a test on the meat they eat is possible? Where can I find the data of their research?
Thanks, but I've already read this before. It's about mercury not in whales of today but in a sample of blubber 1000 years old. It doesn't provide me any kinds of data about the mercury in meat or organs where aboriginals eat.
I also remember that seals have some high mercury as well. Do the aboriginal people eat seals, too? Any research to prove that seal meat is safe?
I'm curious to know, if you are so pro tradition why don't you hunt whales traditionally? Or have you already over fished the whale populations close to Japan?
If you're really interested, please look up who is prohibiting and going against the coastal whaling of Japan.
And we are also doing whaling traditionally within the limitation, like "The Cove" says.Now you know what they are claiming about it. Bloody? Horrible? Barbaric? What else?
You realize that the only reason Taiji came to international attention was because of Japans illegal whaling in antarctica. If japan had stuck to only doing cultural whaling in Taiji it would never have become so well known around the world. Japan could have had its whale and eaten it too but now Japan has put its own whale hunting community in Taiji in risk of losing their livelihood!
I dont agree...it is not an inability to accept cultural difference...it is the reputation that Japan has created itself since starting scientific whaling. Not producing research, bribing other nations, hunting in a whale sanctuary, not respecting australian law...it is not a good way to get your point of view accepted!
Japan has done coastal whaling for centuries and personally I dont think they shouldnt be made to stop...but as i said...the international attention was caused by japans actions so theres noone to blame except the japanese government for the possibility of places like taiji being exposed and possibly closed down!
but then they say its culture when questioned about the nature of the science. They werent given cultural permission to do whaling.
They are breaking international laws...sea shepherd has not broken any laws! if they have...why do they not have any warrants against them?...Japanese whalers have warrants against them! So who are the criminals? You support criminals Tony?
Maybe you are not able to understand this but Japan's purpose is to resume commercial whaling and the researches have been done to collect enough data to conduct it in a sustainable way. Japan has traditional skills to process whales and the tradition is not only eating whale meat but the whole system used for whaling and its consumption. Do you know how to cook whale meat, fins, skins, blubber, or organs? We have those knowledge. That's the tradition.
We have the knowledge we just don't use it, Last i remember europe and the native Americans have had a long tradition of whaling too, and yes some are still killing whales but last time i checked they weren't running around in factory ships doing it.
Just one more knowledge for you. Most of the countries that have stopped whaling were killing whales merely for oil. Japan, Norway, Iceland and all other countries are now whaling for food. You understand the difference?
Tell me, did England have a traditional recipe book for whale meat? How about America or Australia?
America certainly does, and whaling for food was known all over europe but yes pro-dominantly in the Netherlands, and yes commercial whaling was for oil not meat, and yes i understand that after world war 2, Japan required the food to recover, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't need the food now and that you are hunting an endangered species.
I think it's a couple of native American tribes that have such tradition of eating whale, but that has nothing to do with the whaling industry which America has stopped, right?
How can we define that we "don't need" the food? Do we need foie gras? Do we need caviar? How about rabbit meat? horse meat? dugong meat? or whatever. Different people have different values. Now millions of Hindus would say they don't need beef, then, we don't need beef?
Thank you for such a long quote, but the Northern Atlantic is hardly where the Japanese hunt. Besides, the common minke whale (Balaenoptera acutorostrata) and the Antarctic minke whale (Balaenoptera bonaerensis) are not the same species, the latter only being in the Southern ocean.
You'll also notice that the study you quoted deals with whale blubber which the Norwegians and Icelanders don't eat. They discard it.
This is false, Japan is only allowed to hunt and sell the southern minke, but a test done on 17 samples from a meat market only yielded 7 meats to be southern minke, the others were a variety of endangered whales and outer water minke, this brings the attention to the lack and failed respect for the boundaries and the invasion of foreign waters.
By IWC law they aren't allowed to hunt and sell any species other then the Southern Minke whales, if you don't believe me you can look up the article on the New York Times website.
why thats bull shit! the IWC has no clue whats going on do they? the IWC is bunch of gay ass Japanese doing nothing but watching whales die and suffer!
Could you give me the title of that New York Times article you're referring to, please?
Article 8 of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling, which defines what is called Special permits for scientific research, allows the member countries to the IWC to grant such permit to their nationals notwithstanding any regulation within the Convention. In other words, one country can decide any whale species at any level they want if it wishes so. Go and check that on the IWC website.
you fucking piss me off as well tons other! SHUT YOUR BIG MOUTH! you don't respect any thing! and if whales die so will other animals if they all die the food chain is gonna be fucked up and sooner or later us humans will die to! thats why us humans need to stop killing others animals for this if it was like a cow i wouldn't care cause you shove your hand up there ass and get them pregnant well you cant with whales!
Well, animals die naturally, by age, because of diseases or predators. Are you also going to blame nature for this?
Whales are just like any other resources, you can sustainably catch some and keep the stocks healthy. That's what the Japanese, Norwegians and Icelanders are doing.
People should realize that "saving" whales is not going to save the planet and think about their own impact on the environment.
That is bull and you know it, the Japanese, Norwegians, and Iceland's are all hunting endangered species, Japan in particular, then they lie about it. The whales numbers are decreasing, and to be perfectly honest these animals have virtually no commercial value, at least from a responsible business, whale meat is poison.
You're ill-informed. Most whales populations are increasing. If you've checked the news in the past few months, you'll remember the IUCN downlisting the humpback whale to "least concern" and that even the US is considering removing the "endangered" status off that species.
There are also signs that blue whales are growing in numbers.
The species that the Japanese, Norwegians and Icelanders are mainly taking, the minke whale and Antarctic minke whale, are abundant.
I wouldn't say that whales have no commercial value. They used to be hunted mainly for their oil, but now the principal use is human feeding. Some people even argue that whale meat is more environment-friendly than beef.
As for whale meat being poison, you need to consider the many species of whales and the oceans where they dwell. Antarctic minke whale meat is pretty clean of any heavy metals and toxic chemicals. Dolphin meat seems to be much tainted though.
Nearly 50% of the whale meat that you'll find in a Japanese store is actually dolphin miss labeled to consumers. Minke is still incredibly high in mercury for consumption standards and in PCB's
Really? Have you surveyed the Japanese whale meat market to say that?
There may be some mislabeled dolphin meat in Japan, but it's certainly not 50% of what's on the market. I'd like to know your sources.
As for minke whale meat, a study made by the Japanese ministry of health and labor in 2003 shows that Antarctic minke whale meat (muscles) has very very low levels of mercury (0.027 ppm) and PCBs (0.0002 ppm). That's the most hunted species and thus most available meat on the market.
Each of these environmental contaminants tends to accumulate in the bodies of top predators, including sperm whales, orcas, pilot whales, and false killer whales. For these animals, each step up the food chain results in a greater concentration of these poisons in fewer and fewer individuals.
In some whale species, contaminants have been found in blubber at levels far in excess of what is considered safe. The most contaminated whale meat has come from those species that are fish or mammal eaters such as dolphins, porpoises, sperm whales, and beaked whales.
Baleen whales, such as minkes, feed lower on the food chain. As a result, their tissues generally contain lower levels of contaminants. Nonetheless, tests of the blubber of minke whales from the north Pacific have shown unsafe levels of pesticides and PCBs.
Regional variation in PCBs and organochlorine (OC) pesticide concentrations was examined using the blubber of 155 minke whales (Balaenoptera acutorostrata) sampled in seven regions in the North Atlantic and European Arctic, including western and southeastern Greenland, the Norwegian Sea, the North Sea and the Barents Sea.
The levels and relative proportions of OCs were also used to examine the boundaries for North Atlantic minke whale stocks previously defined by the International Whaling Commission (IWC). Concentrations of major OC groups (sigmaPCB, 89.1-22 800 ng/g lipid; sigmaDDT, 65.3-6280 ng/g lipid;
sigmaCHL, 33.3-2110 ng/g lipid) generally increased from west to east, while HCH concentrations (sigmaHCH, < 1-497 ng/g lipid) showed the opposite trend. Statistical comparison between six regions using sex-adjusted least squared mean concentrations showed that minke whales from the Barents Sea had significantly higher concentrations of EPCBs than those from the Vestfjorden/Lofoten,
which are distinct from both the Jan Mayen minkes and those from other IWC defined stocks in northern European waters. Principal components analysis using proportions of 71 PCB congeners and 20 OC pesticides
(of total OCs) did not reveal any major differences among groups although minkes from the North Sea were distinguished from those from Greenland waters by higher loadings of more highly chlorinated PCBs and recalcitrant OC pesticides. The general similarity in mean levels of sigmaPCBs, sigmaDDT and sigmaCHL, as well as mean principal components analysis scores, among minkes sampled at Jan Mayen, Svalbard, Vestfjorden/Lofoten,
but they killing more and more, i know nature kills alot of animals but when we start killing it for profit and food that makes me mad i understand if they kill it cause they is 2 many but they suffer 2 much during death and there is only less then 500 how is that helping? its making it worse!
I like your channel but as an FYI that hat is not a Commodores hat. You are wearing the hat of commanders and captains. ranks of commodore (which doesn't exist anymore) and above have an extra row of gold oak leaf cluster
Lakekepler 7 months ago
ya and they hallucinated soo much that the japanese decided to cancel an entire whaling season cause they didnt want to be near drug dealers. you know what its like to be trippin balls yeeeaaaaaaaaaaa!
GraceUlchTV 9 months ago
Lilke how they ran off the Japanese whaling bastards. HaHaHa you can kiss my a**
marcz28 11 months ago
i want that hat.
winniepillow 1 year ago
@winniepillow - Search eBay, that is where I purchased it from.
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
Japs like to kill mother whales with their little babies! Cowards!!!! Look it up!!! Sea Shepheard? can you say 'Dirty hyppies on junk yard boats'! LOL
Camon Motherf... lets do this thing! Where are you jap whaler defenders? Or should I call you BLUBBLER CHEWER ASSOCIATES! Hahahaha
changrider 1 year ago
@jasonrtaylor why don't you stick your tongue a little further up his butt. Maybe he'll make you his cabin boy.
microflex22 1 year ago
You may not like what the sea Shepard does, but the fact remains that they are succeeding in their fight. The Japanese whalers lose tens of millions of dollars each season as a result of their campaign.
microflex22 1 year ago
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jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
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God bless you Propagandabuster! Keep exposing the Sea Shepard for what they are cowardly pirates. Especially captain kangaroo and his crew of pink panty men.
jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
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jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
Consider me signed up!
jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
Comodore sir. Can I sail under your command?
jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
@jasonrtaylor - Certainly. But you will have to get your hat off eBay. I run a cheap navy. People do not pay me $2,000 to join like the crew of Sea Shepherd pay to sail on that rust bucket garbage scow.
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster Please Tony. Stop hating the Sea Shepherd.
They acctualy goes down there and does something about the whales. If the whales dies, we dies.
So stop, coz they are the only people who does something down there. Out there, evrybody CAN do something to stop illegal stuff.
Sea Shepherd is an amazing organisation.
So don't talk shit about them, coz they do so much for the world!
agaen96 1 year ago
@agaen96 The Sea Shepherds do a lot for the world? Let's see: Paul Watson fakes being shot to help the ratings of the show Whale Wars, they intentionally sped up the Ady Gil to force a collision with the Japanese ship and then blamed the Japanese for the collision, they treat illegal boardings of Japanese vessels like it is equal to jaywalking, and they endanger Japanese lives every time they encounter them. Don't you mean to say the Sea Shepherds do a lot for themselves?
Lakekepler 7 months ago
@Lakekepler They're saving the whales. Listen now. If the whales die, something else will die, and something else, and this goes in a chain until human dies. I think they do enough for the world
agaen96 7 months ago
@agaen96 They are saving whales? Really? Last year Paul Watson gave himself full credit on a one-for-one basis for EVERY single whale that the Japanese whalers missed quota by. Do you not see any problems with that? Other countries participate in whaling and NONE of them achieved quota, so even if the Sea Shepherds had not gone to the Southern Ocean the whalers would not have achieved quota. The Sea Shepherd organization is a joke that gets funding based on lies.
Lakekepler 7 months ago
@agaen96 I am opposed to whaling but I'm even more opposed to the dangerous and illegal tactics of the Sea Shepherd organization. and please don't say that humans will die if whales die; that makes no sense and it is a direct quote from Paul Watson who is far too ignorant and self-absorbed to ever research why whales dying WILL NOT translate into humans dying.
Lakekepler 7 months ago
@Lakekepler Nothing else works on the Japanese!
They don't give shit!
And no, it's pure facts! We're all in a chain, and we need every single creature in the chain, orelse the chain dies. Search it, it's true!
agaen96 7 months ago
@agaen96 your channel says you are in Norway. I lived in Europe for several years and I always thought that Norwegians, and europeans in general, were very intelligent. You on the other hand seem to be either retarded or a shill. There ARE NO FACTS that show that humans will die if the whales die. There is no part of our ecological system that has a dependency on whale survival. If there was such a dependency then every nation our outlaw ALL whaling. Please finish school.
Lakekepler 7 months ago
@Lakekepler I am in fact smart. But I acctualy see the reality. I don't say that the very second the last whale dies, the human dies. But over time, things will die due to not having whales. Don't you see the reality? If one thing dies, another thing dies, and so on and on until after years and years, there are nothing left.
agaen96 7 months ago
@agaen96 referring to yourself as "smart" is becoming increasingly dubious. In ecology the death of a species causes the death of another species when there is a dependency between the two. Paul Watson has said that the death of whales will result in the death of humans but it is completely fallacious. If every single whale on earth died NO HUMANS would die as a result. Not today, not tomorrow, not 1000 years from today. Stop believing Paul Watson's propaganda.
Lakekepler 7 months ago
@Lakekepler I didn't mean to brag, I only said it, cuz yoy think I'm an idiot.
But realy, I have better things to do than sit here and ''chat'' with you. Go back to listening to Madonna. Peace!
agaen96 7 months ago
@agaen96 When you made the sarcastic remark about Madonna I started to say something sarcastic back but then I realized its almost midnight in Norway. You are saying all these crazy things because you need a good nights sleep. maybe when you wake up you will realize that the Sea Shepherds are led by a narcissistic person that craves constant attention so he makes up many of the stories that you actually see on Whale Wars. Like the fake shooting. Its truly disgraceful. night night.
Lakekepler 7 months ago
@Lakekepler Well, nope. I usually don't go to bed before 1AM every night. And i still manage to get good grades in school. So it's normal for me. No crazy talk here. Have a good life. Bye
agaen96 7 months ago
you disgrace the uniform worn by proud men and women of this great country who keep you free!
wow you are a big man, nice voice you helium sucking mouthbreather enjoy your freedoms you pig.
plasterofparisify 1 year ago
I think he looks more like Chumly from tennesee tuxedo rather than capitan kangaroo which smears Bob Keeshan who at least was a veteran and attended college. I wonder if the "admiral" even has a highshool diploma??
redlegagent 1 year ago
Bravo! You're more of an admiral than that clam-digger wannabe, they kicked me out of Greenpeace, admiral of the fleet Bubba Watson.
redlegagent 1 year ago
great videos! Seriously someone needs to give you a tv show!
gofastER 1 year ago
This guy is legit. Someone should arrest those terrorist for impersonating law inforcement officials
marfumax 1 year ago
What a fucking moron. You do realize that what the whalers do is just as illegal as the these renegade mariners right? Ask just about any captain of a ship what they think of whalers and you're sure to get an earful.
Don't let the idiocy of this fool entice you, it's what he does for attention.
Teenagefreedomfightr 1 year ago
i think you have mental issues PropagandaBuster. what do you do think about your jokes all day. Or maybe your trying very hard to get in a Barney show. Sea Shepards rock!!!!!!
hallopapa111 1 year ago
wow your a twat. yeah their the cowards erm I think not so in your eyes killing a helpless whale is concidered acceptable. get your life sorted
1a2bca 1 year ago
sea sheperds suck
Hiddencreature17 1 year ago
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Paul Watson is also getting huge profit from individual.
・In Australia in 2009. The contributions of the individual gathered for about 10 million dollars (9 million US$).
TasmanianTigerWolf 1 year ago
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NEWS FLASH----
American whale murdered its 3rd Marine World employee. Whales proven to be evil murdering criminals.
No pity for terrorist whales that end up at the wrong end of a pair of chopsticks
actonbath 1 year ago
lol good one dude
dragons2k100 1 year ago
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stupid491 2 years ago
I will donate money and my boat to sea shephards.
zoltan656 2 years ago
good then they can get it sank and buy more butter for paul watsons bagels
dragons2k100 1 year ago
Yeah that new vessel is making a nice reef for the fish now.
This is what happens when you drive around the ocean pretending to be batman.
How much longer before the Japanese get really pissed off..
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sep0507 1 year ago
Also if u say o well its the commercial thats bad then fighting the boats is not how u take it out. U have to use politics and gradually get rid of it not ride over there and get in front of boats. U cant just get rid of one main resource for a country. Look at prohibition. Im all for making them stop but thats not how u do it.
PS: To all of u dumbshits its not illeagle in Japan
Austin4789 2 years ago
ummm... We Americans are way worse and if u wanna call a way to get money for small time fisherman illeagal then ur a dumbshit. And wat that asshole is doing is just endangering lives.
Austin4789 2 years ago
Thanks PB, enjoyed it very much.
Keep up the good work!
skippy10 2 years ago
I love how this boob never backs up any of his statements, he just vomits his opinions and calls people names. What he doesnt understand is that yes, it is ALL a game. Sea Shepherd is playing at being lawful in their actions because the law has so far refused to step in and stop an illegal whale hunt. (course, he probably conveniently ignores the fact that it is illegal to make his opinions easier to swallow)
muddyknees 2 years ago 3
does your carer know your using the camcorder
dean9017 2 years ago 2
i dont think they do should we tell them
babybinladen123 2 years ago
Nevermind does my "carer" know. Do I know?
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
do you know? im nt sure do u no?
babybinladen123 2 years ago
so u admit ur gone crazy tht u have a carer nd tht what ur saying is a load of crap nt backed up by any true or relitive facts .... ?
STOP THE ILLEGAL WHALE HUNT
and stop supporting the actions preformed by the japanese criminals
Seasheperdsupporter 2 years ago
@Seasheperdsupporter
apollo good friend told you
barriodelaspiruetas 1 year ago
does he know hes using the camcorder as he just said to me
babybinladen123 2 years ago
its not the good ship sea sheperd its called the stev erwin and they are law inforcement .... there stoping illegal whaling .... and u sir are an idiot =)
Seasheperdsupporter 2 years ago
They are nothing but boobs...we're laughing at them.....a bunch of wannabe cops....loser liberals....LOL
ConservativeRuleinUS 2 years ago
no there activists stoping somthing evil and cruel ... there doing what should be done by law enforcement
Seasheperdsupporter 2 years ago
@Seasheperdsupporter:
No, they are typical loser liberals, who don't know their arse from a hole in the ground....lol
ConservativeRuleinUS 2 years ago
Please don't lump all liberals in with these entitled children terrorists.
Just because I want good healthcare doesn't mean I support assaulting people in the Southern Ocean. This isn't an issue split down party lines. Mostly because the pundits at Fox and MS haven't told the sheeple in either party what to believe yet.
memberbs 2 years ago
@memberbs If NATO would police the open seas there wouldn't be any need for the Sea Sheperd. But because NOBODY is willing to forcefully stop the illegal whaling by the Japanese, then all that's left are the courageous volunteers of the Sea Sheperd. I hope the Japanese fleet sinks to the bottom sooner rather than later.
sep0507 1 year ago
This tosser likes little boys and has no job as people arnt interested in employing such a dirty bastard. So he sits inside a little room making crap videos, too scared to go outside cause he knows hel get the shit kicked out of him.
Stopthegreed 2 years ago
somebodys tired
babybinladen123 2 years ago
Looks like the Japanese government will be pulling their funding for the whaling next year. Finally we may see the end to this stupid slaughter.
Stopthegreed 2 years ago
i would like to beat you sensless
simpson050969347 2 years ago
Someone thought their retarded grandpa how to use a web cam.
mvpsmb1 2 years ago
Thank you grandson.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
This guy looks like HowTheWorldWorks' retarded uncle.
kaminarigaston 2 years ago
Put the mirror down.
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
China, eat monkey.
Korea, eat dogs.
Korea has also caught a whale.(And violations of capture)
Why Only Japan?
hurutu 2 years ago
Lol. I'm not really going to get into this but it's hilarious how there are a tonn of people calling these guys terrorists and pirates, and a bunch of people fighting tooth and nail saying no they are not, and they've even hoisted the jolly rodger. I Rofled. lol
acco8675309 2 years ago
It's true the whalers are whaling only for money no scientific research. I mean seriously think about, the ICR site shows no data sheets or results even if you click the link, they also won't let you read any of their so called "articles". Another thing if Japan is using the excuse of "culture" thats fine, but keep it within your own boundries please! The world doesn't want to see that!
MsCellaneousone 2 years ago
While the Australians are enthusiastic about whales, their koalas are disappearing quickly now. What an irony.
Tuesday, 10 November 2009, BBC
Koalas 'could face extinction'
Australia's koalas could be wiped out within 30 years unless urgent action is taken to halt a decline in population, according to researchers.
4LMNts 2 years ago
I know and they even have foundations to save koala's, i mean serious they shouldn't try and save more than one species at a time! (if you didnt notice that was saracasm)
CjDragon666 2 years ago
Yeah, Australia has transported many koalas from mainland to islands, and now the koalas in those islands are becoming pests eating up eucalyptus trees there. So, the mainland koalas are becoming endangered, while the islands ones are getting sterilized. Best managing indeed. (if YOU didn't notice that was sarcasm)
4LMNts 2 years ago
Australia "had" transported koala's in 1923 and 1925, and yes due to a number of reasons they are incidently destroying their own habitat and now have to be kept in check, but the fact is while they are endangered we haven't hunted them since the 1920's, and yes we are at fault for many reasons, the big question is are you willing to make the exact same mistakes as we did.
CjDragon666 2 years ago
My question is why you think the whaling we do is "the exact same mistake" you did.
American government has been managing the aboriginal whaling, which means they've been hunting the bowhead which was the more endangered species than Japanese whalers hunt. But now the government stated their "conservation" was so successful that the whale population was recovering. They do both hunting and conservation, but do not allow Japan to do the same thing? What is that all about?
4LMNts 2 years ago
American aboriginal population is small. They take only what they need for their small population in own waters. They dont use factory ships and dont hunt in others waters. They dont stockpile their meat because they cant sell it. You say Japan doesnt waste any part of the whale? but why is their so much meat in warehouses that people dont want to buy? Isnt that a waste? There is a big difference between small scale american aboriginal whaling and japans factory ship whaling!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
No matter how, where, or by whom whales are hunted, the most important thing is to conserve the whale resources not to go extinct. Thus, we must figure out not only "how many" we take but also "out of how many" we do. I don't expect you can understand it, though.
It's not a waste at all, as Japan is not selling it to YOU. Do you know how much the ICR earn from by-product annually? Sure, excluding its subsidy. How can they get such income, if we don't want to buy it?
4LMNts 2 years ago
not killing them is a good way to make sure they dont go extinct!
It is a waste if the whale meant is wasting away in warehouses. That is why the government tries to give it away to schools. They are taking more then people are willing to buy.
Did you know Australia also earns about $340 million a year from whale watching. How can Australia get such an income if you kill them?
The whales in Japans waters are enough to feed the small population of japan that wants to eat the meat isnt it?
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Not killing is not the only way, as the aboriginal whaling proves that. I'm talking about the conservation of the whales, so please don't change the topic.
"How can Australia get such an income if you kill them?"
What do you mean? Japan has been whaling in the Antarctic, and Australia earns that money from whale watching. Both are possible, we don't have to choose one.
4LMNts 2 years ago
Japan is famous for overfishing, not sticking to quotas...overall not following rules. If Japan ever got permission to do commercial whaling how could any other country trust them not to kill more then legally permitted? And if it is cultural whaling why not keep it cultural...factory ships and whaling in Antarctic waters was never traditional method or place for whaling. It only started after the war because of food shortage!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
cultural japanese whaling was small scale and only done in some coastal towns to feed local population. They only took what they needed...they werent as greedy as they are trying to be now!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Tuna and many kinds of fish come from all over the world, and we eat them as Sushi and Sashimi. What's wrong with that? Flour comes from America, Australia, and Canada then turns into traditional Udon noodle. What's wrong with that? Why only WHALE must be harvested within the Japanese waters?
4LMNts 2 years ago
nothing is wrong with that...as long as you obey international laws and set quotas...something japan has a problem doing. commercial whaling is illegal so if japan wants to do cultural whaling of course it should be done as traditionally in own waters.
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
and with only 5% of Japanese eating whale meat...small scale cultural whaling is sufficient to meet demand.
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
If you believe commercial whaling is illegal, just remember that the ban is not "eternal" one but "moratorium". You know what "moratorium" means. When the moratorium becomes unnecessary, commercial whaling shall be not illegal at all. For that, we need to research. In other words, as long as the moratorium continues, Japan has rights to do research whaling.
But thank you for your approval for Japan's coastal whaling. I hope Australia will permit it someday.
4LMNts 2 years ago
the ban may not be eternal but it is in place now. Japans research has no meaning unless it shares the results of its research. What research has been done that requires killing over 1500 whales a year in a whale sanctuary? Unless Japan can produce that I dont think anyone will trust their research!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
if Japan cannot produce these results then it shows that Japan is not doing legitimate scientific whaling but illegal commercial whaling under the moratorium...(illegal now)
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
All or most of the data are available for anyone if required, as the ICW say. Any kind of research will be useless if you are anti-whaling, but it's necessary for us as we hope to do whaling sustainablly and eat its meat safely.
4LMNts 2 years ago
can you give me a link to the research...and if possible tell me what research requires killing over 1500 whales a year? I have seen some research such as mixing whale sperm with cow ovary etc but nothing that seems required for Japans purpose. Considering IWC asked Japan to stop its research I think Japan should be promoting the scientific research it has done...that is one way to get understanding from the international community!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
You know there are generally two kinds of research. Basic research and applied one. Collecting data is basic one, and researchers try to make something new or find new facts, dealing with those data. Did hunting 1500 whales a year threaten any whale species? How many mice have been killed by now? Is that too many?
4LMNts 2 years ago
even so...whether or not whale species have been threatened until now...its what will happen in the future. Whales generally give birth to one baby a year...mice 20 or so every few months so not a good comparison!
As I said before Japan is not good at sticking to rules when it comes to fishing so I think there is a good chance Japan will start overfishing whales and may lead them to extinction if commercial whaling was allowed!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Think why Japan has not leave the IWC yet. If Japan were to get a chance for overfishing or overwhaling, it must have the best way. Just think why they didn't so.
4LMNts 2 years ago
I think they havent left IWC because it would make them look worse to the international community. The anti-whaling feeling would increase and it would be bad for Japans standing in the international community. I think that is the only reason!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Oh you like saying "the only reason". Canada, Norway and Iceland have left there, but who cared?
4LMNts 2 years ago
they left but did not do whaling in international waters, another countries waters or a whale sanctuary. They are doing small scale cultural whaling. Japan wants more than that so there is no way they could leave the IWC and continue whaling in antarctic waters. There is no way the international community will respect them if they did that. They could leave IWC and do small scale whaling in own waters and most of the world wouldnt bother them...but that is not what japan wants!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
So you mean actually few of you cares about conservation of whales. Killing 150 fin whales is "small scale whaling" for you if it is conducted locally? I can't believe it. What a double standard.
Antarctic ocean is the area that has most plentiful whale resources, and whaling there will never be in sight if you curiously come with cameras then take bloody photos and videos. I wonder why you're so interested in "whaling watching."
4LMNts 2 years ago
what comment made you think i dont care about whale conservation? yes...those 150 fin whales are killed in own waters so is local.
Yes...antarctic waters is most plentiful of whales...thats why it became a whale sanctuary. have you ever done whale watching? it makes australia $340million a year so its obviously a big deal for the people that do it!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Though i have never gone whale watching, we can do that in Japan as well.
Australians can do whale watching if Japan keeps whaling in the Antarctic. Actually they are doing so now. Most of whale populations are increasing, hunting less than 1% of them doesn't make the whales decrease or go extinct.
4LMNts 2 years ago
"If Japan ever got permission to do commercial whaling how could any other country trust them not to kill more then legally permitted?"
Is that your personal question, or your government's? Such prejudice is nothing but to reveal your bias. In japan, there are only several whaling ships that can conduct whaling in the Antarctic. It's easy to watch on them, since SeaShepherd are doing that easily, aren't they. How about asking SS not to ram into but just to keep an eye on the whalers?
4LMNts 2 years ago
How can it be bias when it is fact? in the past 20 years Japan has illegally taken $20BILLION worth of southern blue thin tuna from waters around australia.
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Sadly, illegal tuna fishing is happening around the world, not only Japan. You can't think it as the reason to go against Japanese whaling.
A whaling ship is required to have special structures and equipments, unlike tuna fishing. So whaling can be controlled easier than other fisheries. Besides, you said there is little demand for whale meat in Japan, didn't you? Then, why do they have to hunt too many whales?
4LMNts 2 years ago
Where do you get your data from about whale populations increasing? outdated Japanese data from 1987 or the data that Japan says populations of fin and humpback are increasing 14-16? Which IWC says is biologically impossible.
Then, why do they have to hunt too many whales? ...Exactly what I have been asking you! Why do they need factory ships to feed a small percentage of Japanese people when cultural whaling in own waters would meet demand? Why do they stockpile meat that noone will buy?
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
First I have to say whale meat is not stockpiled too much like you say. Whaling is a seasonal job. There is plenty meat soon after the whaling is done, then it decreases gradually.
The humpback whale, which is the most popular with the whale-watching people, is now categorized into "Least Concern" by the IUCN. The fin whale's status is still "Endangered", but the information also says "in the absence of current substantial catches it is probably increasing."
4LMNts 2 years ago
According to Japan Fisheries consumption of whale meat is around 450 tonnes per month. Current stocks of whale meat in Japan are 3855 tonnes. Therefore the whale meat being sold to Japanese people is on average 3855/450
=8 1/2 months old? And remember that is from Japan Fisheries so I would assume the real stockpile is higher. But still...8 1/2 month old whale meat?
Least concern means: now we can hunt them til they become a concern? probable increasing means: safe to start killing them?
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
You asked me where the data was from, so I just gave you the answer. Now people hunt kangaroo, deer, bison, foxes, swans, tuna, sardine, etc.etc. but who asks to those hunters, "Can we hunt them til they become a concern?" What a nonsense. We should hunt them within appropriate quotas not to make them more threatened, and that's what Japan has been requiring for years.
450t per month? But you said "no one will buy." Which is correct?
4LMNts 2 years ago
The lower than average stockpile this year is easily explained because whaling was suspended early last season due to fire on nisshin maru last season so instead of the target 850 minke whales and 10 fin whales only 505 minke whales and 3 fin whales were killed. Even though the stockpile is enough that the government is trying to get rid of it by giving it away in school lunches. Force children to eat what cant be sold to make room for more unwanted whale meat next season! so both correct!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
I think you should get over your habit of switching conversation to another topic before you conclude one. Now you began talking about the stockpile of whale meat, which means you just gave up saying "Japan is hunting endangered species!" as a reason to protest whaling.
Conclusion: From a view of conservation, Japanese whaling doesn't makes whales more endangered.
Any objection?
4LMNts 2 years ago
I didn't change topics...I answered your question! 450t per month? But you said "no one will buy." Which is correct?
Not many people will buy the meat so Government is doing things such as giving it away for school lunches to deplete stock and make room for next seasons catch. That is included and makes up a lot of the 450t consumed. Even though Japan couldnt catch its quota last season there is still plenty of unsold whale meat that the government needs to give it away to make more room!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
My question was somewhat sarcasm to someone who began to say Japan was stocking whale meat too much. Eating whale meat at school lunch is nothing special, sometimes it's a part of food education for children to know how and where the food we eat comes from and what local and traditional food they have. Some students even raise and eat pigs by themselves, to know what the life we take is. And government is not giving away but selling it, as they need to apply the money to continue whaling.
4LMNts 2 years ago
Then why was it only reintroduced to school lunches recently? To give the younger generation a taste for whale meat so they will have more consumers in the future?
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Just because food education law was enforced recently. Maybe it's partially because of some food safety issues of these years. I don't think popularizing whale meat is bad. Generally, Japanese people do not eat so much sheepmeat, though it's popular in my region. Now it is becoming a little more popular than before, thanks to the effort of the people of Hokkaido where I live. The same may go for whale meat.
4LMNts 2 years ago
Food education law was passed in order to get rid of whale meat stockpiled in warehouses. Its not education. Its a good way to dispose of unsold whale meat. Is whale meat becoming more popular because of the efforts of whaling communities or because of efforts by the fisheries department?
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
"Food education law was passed in order to get rid of whale meat.."
Ahaha, nice joke!
"Is whale meat becoming more popular.. ?"
I don't know. Distribution channels of whale meat in Japan had been almost destroyed in the 20 years long moratorium. It seems not so easy to recover them to the previous level.
4LMNts 2 years ago
Next question: I didn't say "Japan is hunting endangered species!" I said Japanese data on whale population is outdated and their claims of population increase is biologically impossible according to IWC. There is no exact figure on the populations of whales Japan is hunting but with the whales slow growth rates whaling large numbers will never be sustainable and with the quotas Japan proposes will lead them to becoming endangered in Antarctic waters.
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Then would you tell me why the American aboriginal whaling is considered to be sustainable? To explain that clearly, you need to figure out at least their quota, the population of bowheads, and the accuracy of their research. Please remember to keep yourself away from outdated excuse that they can't live without the whaling.
4LMNts 2 years ago
They have a quota of 67 per year but on average catch about 41 annually. The population is more than 10,000. Even with this small hunt Western Arctic Bowhead whale populations have been steadily increasing. Census conducted using bioacoustics, and statistical analysis. As they are doing aboriginal whaling of course they dont need to do research on the whales caught. Either way this has nothing to do with Japans case. Japan is not doing aboriginal whaling! Stick to Japans situation please!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Well then, let's take a look at the fin whale and the humpback whale.
Fin whale
Population:12,000 or so
Quota: 50 (it had been 10 until a couple of years ago.)
Catch: 1 (last year)
Humpback whale
Population: over 80,000
Quota: 50 (0, until a couple of years ago)
Catch: 0
If you think the aboriginal whaling is "small hunt", Japanese research whaling is smaller at least on these two species. And you didn't mention why you believed the bioacoustics census is accurate enough.
4LMNts 2 years ago
Where do you get your information that the Fin whale and Humpback whale population is increasing?
Bioacoustic and statistical analysis census is not accurate. They can only count the whales they can see and hear. So the population is likely to be more than the number provided in the census.
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
"Where do you get your information.."
I think I told you that just 2,3 comments before.
You know Japan is counting whales with visual survey as well. Then why do you apply your logic to the Japanese research?
4LMNts 2 years ago
Oops, correction.
"why do you apply your logic.."
->"why don't you apply your logic.."
4LMNts 2 years ago
If so, why is their population census outdated and why did they report birth rates which are biologically impossible?
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
There are both denials and approvals about the data. Don't label it outdated just because you hope so.
This is my personal view. Anti-whaling nations can keep the moratorium ongoing as long as the debate goes on, meanwhile, Japan can conduct research whaling. So their interests match, intentionally or not. That may be a reason why they don't make a conclusion by now.
4LMNts 2 years ago
By the way, the aboriginal whaling is not required to do any research on the whales they catch, which means they may be eating poisonous whale meat every time. Wow, the staff of "The Cove" should pursuit this! Mercury poisoning! This is a great secret, covered by government!
4LMNts 2 years ago
Of course research has been done on mercury levels of bowhead whale meat. They are much lower than those of other cetaceans and safe for consumption. Highest mercury levels come from toothed porpoises and dolphins. The most commonly consumed cetacean in Japan.
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Even baleen whales sometimes has high mercury in some of their organs or blubber, and need to be processed properly. You know they slaughter and bring meat to their homes as soon as they hunt a whale. How can a test on the meat they eat is possible? Where can I find the data of their research?
4LMNts 2 years ago
sorry about the late reply...will send a pdf file of research on bowhead whales mercury content to you!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Thanks, but I've already read this before. It's about mercury not in whales of today but in a sample of blubber 1000 years old. It doesn't provide me any kinds of data about the mercury in meat or organs where aboriginals eat.
I also remember that seals have some high mercury as well. Do the aboriginal people eat seals, too? Any research to prove that seal meat is safe?
4LMNts 2 years ago
I'm curious to know, if you are so pro tradition why don't you hunt whales traditionally? Or have you already over fished the whale populations close to Japan?
CjDragon666 2 years ago
If you're really interested, please look up who is prohibiting and going against the coastal whaling of Japan.
And we are also doing whaling traditionally within the limitation, like "The Cove" says.Now you know what they are claiming about it. Bloody? Horrible? Barbaric? What else?
4LMNts 2 years ago
You realize that the only reason Taiji came to international attention was because of Japans illegal whaling in antarctica. If japan had stuck to only doing cultural whaling in Taiji it would never have become so well known around the world. Japan could have had its whale and eaten it too but now Japan has put its own whale hunting community in Taiji in risk of losing their livelihood!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
It has a point, but not "the only reason". Basically those who go against whaling and dolphin hunt can not accept cultural variety of the world.
4LMNts 2 years ago
I dont agree...it is not an inability to accept cultural difference...it is the reputation that Japan has created itself since starting scientific whaling. Not producing research, bribing other nations, hunting in a whale sanctuary, not respecting australian law...it is not a good way to get your point of view accepted!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Now you began to change the topic again. I'm not talking about that for now. The topic here is "conservation of whale resources".
"The Cove" comes here just as a part of explanation why Japan cannot do coastal whaling.
4LMNts 2 years ago
Japan has done coastal whaling for centuries and personally I dont think they shouldnt be made to stop...but as i said...the international attention was caused by japans actions so theres noone to blame except the japanese government for the possibility of places like taiji being exposed and possibly closed down!
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
whaling is done for science?
but then they say its culture when questioned about the nature of the science. They werent given cultural permission to do whaling.
They are breaking international laws...sea shepherd has not broken any laws! if they have...why do they not have any warrants against them?...Japanese whalers have warrants against them! So who are the criminals? You support criminals Tony?
sEiGoSaYgO 2 years ago
Japan is given scientific permission.
Maybe you are not able to understand this but Japan's purpose is to resume commercial whaling and the researches have been done to collect enough data to conduct it in a sustainable way. Japan has traditional skills to process whales and the tradition is not only eating whale meat but the whole system used for whaling and its consumption. Do you know how to cook whale meat, fins, skins, blubber, or organs? We have those knowledge. That's the tradition.
4LMNts 2 years ago
We have the knowledge we just don't use it, Last i remember europe and the native Americans have had a long tradition of whaling too, and yes some are still killing whales but last time i checked they weren't running around in factory ships doing it.
CjDragon666 2 years ago
Just one more knowledge for you. Most of the countries that have stopped whaling were killing whales merely for oil. Japan, Norway, Iceland and all other countries are now whaling for food. You understand the difference?
Tell me, did England have a traditional recipe book for whale meat? How about America or Australia?
4LMNts 2 years ago
There is nothing traditional about Japan hunting whales, it was very against the rules of their culture.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
America certainly does, and whaling for food was known all over europe but yes pro-dominantly in the Netherlands, and yes commercial whaling was for oil not meat, and yes i understand that after world war 2, Japan required the food to recover, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't need the food now and that you are hunting an endangered species.
CjDragon666 2 years ago
I think it's a couple of native American tribes that have such tradition of eating whale, but that has nothing to do with the whaling industry which America has stopped, right?
How can we define that we "don't need" the food? Do we need foie gras? Do we need caviar? How about rabbit meat? horse meat? dugong meat? or whatever. Different people have different values. Now millions of Hindus would say they don't need beef, then, we don't need beef?
4LMNts 2 years ago
So?
JPNarchive 2 years ago 2
the North Sea and the Barents Sea suggests that the whales are quite mobile and may feed in multiple areas within the northeastern Atlantic.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
Thank you for such a long quote, but the Northern Atlantic is hardly where the Japanese hunt. Besides, the common minke whale (Balaenoptera acutorostrata) and the Antarctic minke whale (Balaenoptera bonaerensis) are not the same species, the latter only being in the Southern ocean.
You'll also notice that the study you quoted deals with whale blubber which the Norwegians and Icelanders don't eat. They discard it.
Antarctic minke whale meat is safe.
isanatori 2 years ago
This is false, Japan is only allowed to hunt and sell the southern minke, but a test done on 17 samples from a meat market only yielded 7 meats to be southern minke, the others were a variety of endangered whales and outer water minke, this brings the attention to the lack and failed respect for the boundaries and the invasion of foreign waters.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
The whales species Japan catches for research are:
[JARPA2-Southern Ocean] Antarctic minke whale (Balaenoptera bonaerensis) : 850 +/-10%, Fin whale (Balaenoptera physalus) : 50
[JARPN2-Northwestern Pacific] Common minke whale (Balaenoptera acutorostrata) : 220, sei whale (Balaenoptera borealis) : 100, Bryde's whale (Balaenoptera brydei) : 50, sperm whale (Physeter macrocephalus) : 10.
Japanese law also allows for the sale of meat from whales found entangled in nets if reported.
isanatori 2 years ago
By IWC law they aren't allowed to hunt and sell any species other then the Southern Minke whales, if you don't believe me you can look up the article on the New York Times website.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
why thats bull shit! the IWC has no clue whats going on do they? the IWC is bunch of gay ass Japanese doing nothing but watching whales die and suffer!
trinkking2 2 years ago
Could you give me the title of that New York Times article you're referring to, please?
Article 8 of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling, which defines what is called Special permits for scientific research, allows the member countries to the IWC to grant such permit to their nationals notwithstanding any regulation within the Convention. In other words, one country can decide any whale species at any level they want if it wishes so. Go and check that on the IWC website.
isanatori 2 years ago
According to the UN and EC their actions are still highly illegal, Australia has even convicted the whalers.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
and what dose thus prove? you don't need to kill a whale for research you know that?
trinkking2 2 years ago
the ship sea shepherd?
you mean steve erwin!
the are not pirates the have a flag that look's like one!
girly man? you wouth shit your pants on that boat hihihi.
and yes the do put there one life's at risk but the now that before the go on the schip. go sea shepherd!
safe the whales.
isanatori bullshit! if you realy think that way.your are stupid..killing -+800 whales?
recearch? keeping the stock healthy you realy must be an idiot.
plainfield50butcher 2 years ago
As PB would reply, "thank you for posting your above comment."
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
Yeah, I would reply, thank you for posting your above comment.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
you fucking piss me off as well tons other! SHUT YOUR BIG MOUTH! you don't respect any thing! and if whales die so will other animals if they all die the food chain is gonna be fucked up and sooner or later us humans will die to! thats why us humans need to stop killing others animals for this if it was like a cow i wouldn't care cause you shove your hand up there ass and get them pregnant well you cant with whales!
trinkking2 2 years ago
The above is your typical anti-whaler.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
The above??? That would be your video, and if you'd ever call yourself a anti whaler you'd be a very poor one at that.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
Well, animals die naturally, by age, because of diseases or predators. Are you also going to blame nature for this?
Whales are just like any other resources, you can sustainably catch some and keep the stocks healthy. That's what the Japanese, Norwegians and Icelanders are doing.
People should realize that "saving" whales is not going to save the planet and think about their own impact on the environment.
isanatori 2 years ago
That is bull and you know it, the Japanese, Norwegians, and Iceland's are all hunting endangered species, Japan in particular, then they lie about it. The whales numbers are decreasing, and to be perfectly honest these animals have virtually no commercial value, at least from a responsible business, whale meat is poison.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
You're ill-informed. Most whales populations are increasing. If you've checked the news in the past few months, you'll remember the IUCN downlisting the humpback whale to "least concern" and that even the US is considering removing the "endangered" status off that species.
There are also signs that blue whales are growing in numbers.
The species that the Japanese, Norwegians and Icelanders are mainly taking, the minke whale and Antarctic minke whale, are abundant.
isanatori 2 years ago 2
I wouldn't say that whales have no commercial value. They used to be hunted mainly for their oil, but now the principal use is human feeding. Some people even argue that whale meat is more environment-friendly than beef.
As for whale meat being poison, you need to consider the many species of whales and the oceans where they dwell. Antarctic minke whale meat is pretty clean of any heavy metals and toxic chemicals. Dolphin meat seems to be much tainted though.
isanatori 2 years ago
Nearly 50% of the whale meat that you'll find in a Japanese store is actually dolphin miss labeled to consumers. Minke is still incredibly high in mercury for consumption standards and in PCB's
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
Really? Have you surveyed the Japanese whale meat market to say that?
There may be some mislabeled dolphin meat in Japan, but it's certainly not 50% of what's on the market. I'd like to know your sources.
As for minke whale meat, a study made by the Japanese ministry of health and labor in 2003 shows that Antarctic minke whale meat (muscles) has very very low levels of mercury (0.027 ppm) and PCBs (0.0002 ppm). That's the most hunted species and thus most available meat on the market.
isanatori 2 years ago
Each of these environmental contaminants tends to accumulate in the bodies of top predators, including sperm whales, orcas, pilot whales, and false killer whales. For these animals, each step up the food chain results in a greater concentration of these poisons in fewer and fewer individuals.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
In some whale species, contaminants have been found in blubber at levels far in excess of what is considered safe. The most contaminated whale meat has come from those species that are fish or mammal eaters such as dolphins, porpoises, sperm whales, and beaked whales.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
Baleen whales, such as minkes, feed lower on the food chain. As a result, their tissues generally contain lower levels of contaminants. Nonetheless, tests of the blubber of minke whales from the north Pacific have shown unsafe levels of pesticides and PCBs.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
Regional variation in PCBs and organochlorine (OC) pesticide concentrations was examined using the blubber of 155 minke whales (Balaenoptera acutorostrata) sampled in seven regions in the North Atlantic and European Arctic, including western and southeastern Greenland, the Norwegian Sea, the North Sea and the Barents Sea.
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
The levels and relative proportions of OCs were also used to examine the boundaries for North Atlantic minke whale stocks previously defined by the International Whaling Commission (IWC). Concentrations of major OC groups (sigmaPCB, 89.1-22 800 ng/g lipid; sigmaDDT, 65.3-6280 ng/g lipid;
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
sigmaCHL, 33.3-2110 ng/g lipid) generally increased from west to east, while HCH concentrations (sigmaHCH, < 1-497 ng/g lipid) showed the opposite trend. Statistical comparison between six regions using sex-adjusted least squared mean concentrations showed that minke whales from the Barents Sea had significantly higher concentrations of EPCBs than those from the Vestfjorden/Lofoten,
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
which are distinct from both the Jan Mayen minkes and those from other IWC defined stocks in northern European waters. Principal components analysis using proportions of 71 PCB congeners and 20 OC pesticides
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
(of total OCs) did not reveal any major differences among groups although minkes from the North Sea were distinguished from those from Greenland waters by higher loadings of more highly chlorinated PCBs and recalcitrant OC pesticides. The general similarity in mean levels of sigmaPCBs, sigmaDDT and sigmaCHL, as well as mean principal components analysis scores, among minkes sampled at Jan Mayen, Svalbard, Vestfjorden/Lofoten,
sorryimsogreat2 2 years ago
but they killing more and more, i know nature kills alot of animals but when we start killing it for profit and food that makes me mad i understand if they kill it cause they is 2 many but they suffer 2 much during death and there is only less then 500 how is that helping? its making it worse!
trinkking2 2 years ago