What's the point of this? Politicians should never travel or they should take the bus everywhere? How dare they visit/represent beautiful places? Every business has perks, why shouldn't the government?
One good thing is that we dont have to worry about Wreaker of the House, Pelosi. Her broom doesnt cost anything to the taxpayers and is low on emissions..
Pelosi is the most corrupt leader of the current U.S. regime, under Obama. Her power should be revoked immediately, she should be banned from ever wasting another taxpayer's dime. Her track record consists of pissing on taxpayer's and spending our money like it's her own. Can I sue her?
My "brand" of Christianity is the first brand-Catholicism. And I would rather be a "war monger" than to surrender like the Democrat's want.
You are ridiculous sir. Obama wants to surrender and run away. Democrats have no resolve or fortitude. Obama wants to give Iraq and Afghanistan back to the enemy, run home, shrink our military, stop funding our defense, take our guns, and kill our unborn babies. Whatever he can do to make America weaker. VOTE REPUBLICAN.
Ha! Democrats are the ones taking away freedoms. No guns. Socializing big businesses. No religion in public. Raising taxes. Surrendering to the enemy. Giving freedom to convicted terrorists in Guantanamo. I would be a better politician than all Democrats combined.
Re Rights: Silly person. You don't think warrantless wire-tapping isn't taking away freedoms.
Re Religion: The Constitution states that we must separate Church from State! Dems want to follow the Constitution. Pubs don't
Re Freedom: Do you really want to be like some other countries where you can be put in jail with no fair trial? Dems don't want America to be like that.
There's a reason the Democratic Party is supported by communists, socialists, and terrorists. There's a reason Hamas and Bin Laden show favor in Obama and his party. They know the Democrat's won't do shit to stop them. They know the Democrats will let all the prisoners go back to join Al Qaeda. Democrats will make America fall. America does not need redeemed. We are the best country on earth.
NO WMDs NO Operational links to al qaeda NO Meetings with Atta NO Nukes NO Bio/Chem weapons labs NO Alum. centrifuge tubes NO Yellow cake purchases Just a motive and a plan (Wolfowitz Doctrine) Just intent to "fix intel around the policy" (Downing St Memo) Just Feith's false intel (Pent. Insp. Gen. Rpt) And more false intel (Sen. PhII Intel Rpt) Just retaliation for the truth (V. Plame/J. Wilson) Just a president who violated his oath and lied to America (articles of impeachment)
Irp is one of these twirps that are critical of things they've never read. Critical because their neocongurus (limbaugh, hannity, etc) have thought it all out for them.
"Canned Thoughts" for the morons who can't think for themselves.
"Just add a big mouth and you'll have a semi-coherent opinion in minutes!"
Irp is one of these twirps that are critical of things they've never read. Critical because their neocongurus (limbaugh, hannity, etc) have thought it all out for them.
"Canned Thoughts" for the morons who can't think for themselves.
"Just add a big mouth and you'll have a semi-coherent opinion in minutes!"
usus: "Irpw is one of these twirps that are critical of things they've never read...because their neocongurus...have though it all out for them."
My how dogmatic you are. Never giving an argument with regard to the facts, substance or issues at hand, just ad hominems and (pitifully clumsy) dodging of the issues.
It's wrong no matter who's doing it. But for anyone to single out the Dems when the Repugs have been free-wheeling since `92...well that's just bullshit.
I wonder how this compares to the flights taken by Republicans when they held the committee chairs. Oh, it wasn't brought up in this report. Of course it's not right for any of these guys to be taking pleasure trips at our expense but it's a drop in the bucket to the hundreds of billions we are spending on an illegal war.
lt5: tsk tsk, you were doing so well when you said "it's not right for any of these guys to be taking pleasure trips" but then you tripped over yourself and fell into this mess:
"but it's a drop in the bucket to the hundreds of billions we are spending on an illegal war."
Let me guess, the war is wrong because it's illegal, and it's illegal because it's wrong, oui oui?
Feith's office twisted CIA/FBI & Intl intel leaving out significant doubts over efficacy presenting the data as strong rather than questionable. Example: Meetings between Atta and Iraq Intelligence. Completely discredited, but Feith's office presented it as fact.
Check out Clark or Woodward's books. Or the interview with Ray McGovern here at YT. The evidence is overwhelming. None of them are being sued for libel.
Pentagon Inspector General rpt (I've read it) outlines Feith's "spin" on intel. Feith worked for Rummy who worked for Bush. Take this together with interviews w/those INSIDE the CIA - and you got your proof.
neoKon: "Check out Clark or Woodward's books...The evidence is overwhelming. None of them are being sued for libel."
Hmm..isn't that akin to saying "tabloids aren't sued for most of what they write, therefore most of what they write is true"?
tsk tsk.
Public figures are open to virtually any attack imaginable. The only way for them to win a libel suit is to show actual damages and willful, malicious intent on the part of an author.
Might want to spruce up on your legal knowledge, eh?
Public officials whose actions conflict with their fiduciary and sworn responsibilities are open to valid attacks.
So, you admit Woodward and Clark have no proveable malice toward Bush, yet they write factual and verifiable accounts of his conspiring to mislead Congress and the American public.
Ah yes, slinging mud again, eh? Never with an argument, just babble?
tsk tsk, my boy. Seems you've forgotten your compatriots: Mel Reynolds the child rapist, Barney Franks who ran a prostitution ring, Gerry Studds soliciting sex from underaged boys, etc. ad infinitum.
Try not to let your ignorance blind you too much :)
"Relative to substance, he's got you beat there as well"
Nah. Saying it doesn't make it so, mon ami. Here, let me help with your arguments, try it this way: "You're a retard and I pwn3d you BECAUSE.." and then say how and why.
Democrats and Republicans are traitors to the American people. Our government is corrupt and should be voided. This election VOTE for the OTHER GUY give a new person a chance or your going to keep getting this crap.
the two party system is broken. do not vote for Rudy McRomney. Do not vote for Hillary Edbama. There are other alternatives. Gravel, Paul and Kucinich.
I wonder how this compares to the flights taken by Republicans when they held the committee chairs. Oh, it wasn't brought up in this report. Of course it's not right for any of these guys to be taking pleasure trips at our expense but it's a drop in the bucket to the hundreds of billions we are spending on an illegal war.
RonPaul2008(.)com -Ron has never voted to raise taxes -He votes to cut government spending. -He has never voted for an unbalanced budget -He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership -He has never voted to raise congressional pay -He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch -He voted against regulating the Internet -He votes against the welfare state -He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program -youtube(.)com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8
Democrats are POOSIES!!! Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! But that's the reality though isn't it? Liberals will always go for instant gratification (sex with everything - including your own gender, abortion, welfare - "free" (TAX-PAID) medical, non-intervention against enemies)... Sad little fuckers. They will ALWAYS take the easy road, and that's why they will never overcome! And that's just fine with me =)
Why are people surprised? There is no difference between republicans & democrats, just as in the uk where labour are the new conservative. Corporations run the world now people, polititians are just their puppets. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism & the "free" market.
range: Nah, capitalism is what gave you your computer, chair, house, clothes, hair cut, watch, phone, belt, food, etc.
Without capitalism there is no competition, without competition there is no innovation, etc.
Not to mention, thou fair tard, "corporations" have existed for many millenia: from the first venture capitalist investments in shipping to economizing the railroad to today.
irpwny you are confusing economics with capitalism. Russia is not capitalist yet they have all the trappings of life AND cutting edge scientific and technological breakthroughs. We are capitalist in the US but we also are in debt and experience an extreme disparity in the distribution of wealth.
Thank you chrisperry. The free market is not working. If it was you wouldn't governments being forced to bring in laws to regulate companies, as in the UK where the telecommunications industry have just had new laws limiting the amount of money they can steal from consumers, and the banks are next in line. Capitalism (in it's current form) is not working. The rich get richer & the poor work harder (producing stuff for the rich) & are still poor.
range: "The free market is not working" Right, so let's consolidate the economy, power of production, distribution, etc. into the "single hand" of the government.
That sure worked in China, Russia and Germany, didn't it? In fact, last I checked, giving such unbounded power helped Stalin purge 20 million people, had 30 million starved to death in China (remember the GLF?) and helped destroyed Germany.
Not to mention England its own socialist policies that ruined its economy in the 70s.
Russia was Communist when the drive to create the technology to put them into space occured. Russia still is a socialist government and is quickly heading back that way, yet there are computers, cars and whatever other electronic junk one might want to own available as well.
The creation of new technology is not solely the gift of Capitalism. Capitalism has its good points but its expression in America has resulted in the accumulation of wealth by a small number of people and the extension of debt to finance survival for the rest. All of the data necessary for that conclusion is widely available and you are free to check it youself.
And yes, capitalism is an economic SYSTEM, not economics itself. Economics is the social science of the distribution and production of goods in accordance with wants and needs. Capitalism is a specific method of doing so. As such, don't consider it the do all and end all of economic systems. As practiced in the US it should be considered a crime against humanity and abolished
chris: "is an economic SYSTEM, not economics itself."
Don't try to cover your arse. It's unbecoming.
"As practiced in the US it should be considered a crime against humanity" Lots of fluff and no substance. If you're going to make an argument start by saying "capitalism is a crime BECAUSE..." and then tell us how and why.
"It hurts the poor" and other like soundbites aren't arguments.
Unregulated capitalism is a crime because it favors organized business interests OVER the interests of the public for which the government has fiduciary responsibilities to protect.
At the end of the cold war, Capitalism had no competition. So we've been seeing more of it's true face. Cheap off-shore labor, no environmental regulation, no safety checks. Results - US mfging in decline, imports contain lead and melamine, huge OIL company profits.
"At the end of the cold war, Capitalism had no competition."
Hmm..sorry to burst your bubble, but the USSR and the US weren't in competition either economically or by market.
"no environmental regulations...safety checks...imports contain lead, etc."
tsk tsk, might want to check Nixon's EPA, OSHA, etc. Not to mention: it's not the US's fault imported toys contained lead, that falls under the purview of (communist) China's manufacturers.
Lack of competition is the worst thing for any entity, especially when that entity is an "economic system".
Though you like to quibble about whether the struggle for world dominance was "competition", the "arms race" sounds competitive to me. They competed for countries that had oil & other natural resources and countries that bordered trade routes.
Absolute competition.
Now you want to quibble about whose responsible for our health? You're one fucked up "indoctrinated" 12 year old.
chris: "not solely the gift of capitalism" And you're right, Capitalism encourages it. How so? By competition.
"accumulation of wealth by a small number of people" Quite the contrary, a study was done a few years ago mapping the "disparity of wealth" in Europe and found the ratios to be the same now as they were in the 1600's.
"extension of debt" Nope. People get themselves into debt. Corporations don't.
whitey: "The "free market" is a myth. There is no real competition between oil companies and other companies selling commodities."
tsk tsk, but socialist markets "are" free instead?
Nah, government control of the means of production, industry, etc. only does one thing: destroys competition, drives up prices, drives down quality and creates the ultimate corporation against which there is no recourse: one almighty government.
neoKon: Not to mention the wonderful analytic contradiction you've created for yourself in your own (not so) brilliant assertion: "China's socialist market place is freer than the US capitalist system"
tsk tsk indeed.
Might want to look up the words "socialism" and "capitalism" in the dictionary, my dear.
Yeah because congress is ONLY made up of democrats right? So its only the democrats that are using tax payers money for this right? God you fucking people are idiots. No wonder this country is going down the shitter, its full of ignorant dumb motherfuckers that only care about trashing the opposing political party rather than trying to make the country better. Fuck You.
This isn't about one party being corrupt. It's about the whole damn government being corrupt. The democrats didnt but an 85 million dollar exectutive military jet to take these vacations. The government did.
But didn't the Democrats get into office last fall by promising to run "the most ethical Congress in history?" Noone is saying only the Democrats do it, just that from ethics to spending to 'business as usual,' its amazing how quickly they've not only not improved on the Republicans' corrupt behavior, but outdone it (especially the spending).
So the old corrupt, pork addicted guys did it, we can do it too?? WTF?? Didn't the Democrats just get themselves elected by promising they'd STOP this out of control spending, the ethical transgressions, not accelerate it??
Wow, what a change we got voting the dems in. O legislation and now they cave to the president on war funding, oh they did stand up for their pork though.
Have the Bush administration, Defense and Pentagon account for and repay all the "missing money" taken from Medicare, Social Security, HUD and anywhere else they stole it from. Have complete and independent audits of Halliburton, Lockheed and all the companies which have benefited by cronyism.
You gotta love that hard-hitting journalism. Imagine how much of a dent we can make in the national debt if we forced congressman to stop wasting "tens of thousands of dollars" every year. I'm glad this reporter was able to finally uncover the truth about politicians who mix business with pleasure on long trips abroad. [/sarcasm] Is this really the only story about government waste and corruption that CNN could find in Washington?
It's representative of the sort of disgusting behavior that, after a short hiatus for show when the Democrats took power, is back in fashion. Democrats claimed all along it was the Republicans who were corrupt. This just proves all along it wasn't one party or the other, it was the system.
dumbocratic led congress! has lower ratings then what they say OUR PRESIDENT has. Wonder why that is. Maybe cuz the left wingers raised the white flag of surrender. and nobody likes loosers lmao
This doesn't me. Bela Pelosi was going to let that other corrupt Democrat, Richard Jefferson(9OK hidden in my freezer), chair the Homeland Security Committee before there was an uproar. Barney probably took a side trip to Fire Island.
What's the point of this? Politicians should never travel or they should take the bus everywhere? How dare they visit/represent beautiful places? Every business has perks, why shouldn't the government?
modan0 1 year ago
One good thing is that we dont have to worry about Wreaker of the House, Pelosi. Her broom doesnt cost anything to the taxpayers and is low on emissions..
GreenEyeBluey 2 years ago
But Nancy is flying on Air Force flights EVERY where.
frio109 2 years ago
Pelosi is the most corrupt leader of the current U.S. regime, under Obama. Her power should be revoked immediately, she should be banned from ever wasting another taxpayer's dime. Her track record consists of pissing on taxpayer's and spending our money like it's her own. Can I sue her?
derwin24 2 years ago 2
hunter seems to want his god to bless...
Liars
Pedophiles &
Imperialism
while dissing the party that wants to correct these things. Interesting. Clearly a Neocunt.
CharlessMarteI 3 years ago
Let's see.... "Liars" -- there isn't a Democrat alive who has ever told the truth.
"Pedophiles" Mel Reynolds, Gerry Studds...I forget, what party were they with?
"Imperialism" -- Obama thinks he's the messiah.
"THe party that wants to correct them"... clearly, you're out of your mind if you think that's the Democunts
ToddonCapeCod 2 years ago
God Bless Bush. God Bless Republicans. God Bless The US Military. Stupid Democrats.
For every Democrat seat gained in Congress, America comes one step closer to communism. VOTE GOP! JOHN MCCAIN '08!
hunter1447 3 years ago 2
HA HA HA! What god is that? Who would bless a bunch of war mongers?
Dumb Republicans and your fake religion.
Christianity is not fake - your brand of Christianity is.
VOTE DEMOCRAT!
123mejdg 3 years ago
My "brand" of Christianity is the first brand-Catholicism. And I would rather be a "war monger" than to surrender like the Democrat's want.
You are ridiculous sir. Obama wants to surrender and run away. Democrats have no resolve or fortitude. Obama wants to give Iraq and Afghanistan back to the enemy, run home, shrink our military, stop funding our defense, take our guns, and kill our unborn babies. Whatever he can do to make America weaker. VOTE REPUBLICAN.
hunter1447 3 years ago
You are a NUT BALL!!!!
Republican retard devil worshiper!
VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!! AND KEEP AMERICA FREE!!!! NO MORE RIGHTS BEING TAKEN AWAY BY PUBTARDS!
Wow I feel like a crazy republican right now. Ha ha!
123mejdg 3 years ago
Ha! Democrats are the ones taking away freedoms. No guns. Socializing big businesses. No religion in public. Raising taxes. Surrendering to the enemy. Giving freedom to convicted terrorists in Guantanamo. I would be a better politician than all Democrats combined.
hunter1447 3 years ago
Re Rights: Silly person. You don't think warrantless wire-tapping isn't taking away freedoms.
Re Religion: The Constitution states that we must separate Church from State! Dems want to follow the Constitution. Pubs don't
Re Freedom: Do you really want to be like some other countries where you can be put in jail with no fair trial? Dems don't want America to be like that.
Boy you are really brainwashed.
Vote Democrat. Redeem America!
123mejdg 3 years ago
There's a reason the Democratic Party is supported by communists, socialists, and terrorists. There's a reason Hamas and Bin Laden show favor in Obama and his party. They know the Democrat's won't do shit to stop them. They know the Democrats will let all the prisoners go back to join Al Qaeda. Democrats will make America fall. America does not need redeemed. We are the best country on earth.
hunter1447 3 years ago
Brainwashed?!?!?!!
You voted for an empty-suit, without one ounce of business experience, who is destroying this country, and you DARE call someone else brainwashed?!?!
ToddonCapeCod 2 years ago 2
Irdspoon 3 years ago
Biggest spenders on the planet: REPUBLICANS
CharlessMarteI 4 years ago
Your comment holds no water.
JakeandElwoodBlues 4 years ago
Irp is one of these twirps that are critical of things they've never read. Critical because their neocongurus (limbaugh, hannity, etc) have thought it all out for them.
"Canned Thoughts" for the morons who can't think for themselves.
"Just add a big mouth and you'll have a semi-coherent opinion in minutes!"
SusanSnowfIake 4 years ago
Susan: Still waiting for a substantive argument :)
Or can you not give one?
What a pity.
irpwny 4 years ago
SusanSnowflake,lrqpp,usus53,bushitman,neoconcious and the OTHER whiteynjesus.......
Eat shit peanuts by the tin
prrolg 3 years ago
That is so true. Thanks for saying that.
WHITEYNJESUS 3 years ago 2
prrolg: "Eat shit peanuts by the tin"
Hmm..wittiness isn't your forte, eh?
irpwny 3 years ago
You've never seen wittier sonny.
prrolg 3 years ago
Susan: "Critical because their neocongurus...have thought it all out for them"
Ah, but of course: anyone who holds an opinion that is different from yours is a moron and a half-wit, a tard who is a slave to radio talk show hosts.
Brilliant.
But that still isn't an argument. It isn't substantiation or refutation. In fact, it's just a statement of your dogmatic opinions, isn't it?
So give argumentation a try. Go ahead, don't be afraid. Refute everything that's been said to you.
irpwny 3 years ago
what's your position cunt?
Irdspoon 3 years ago 2
lrd: "what's your position cunt?"
Spoken like a true 12 year old: "my" position is irrelevant.
Get over it already :)
irpwny 3 years ago
Irp is one of these twirps that are critical of things they've never read. Critical because their neocongurus (limbaugh, hannity, etc) have thought it all out for them.
"Canned Thoughts" for the morons who can't think for themselves.
"Just add a big mouth and you'll have a semi-coherent opinion in minutes!"
usus53 4 years ago 3
usus: "Irpw is one of these twirps that are critical of things they've never read...because their neocongurus...have though it all out for them."
My how dogmatic you are. Never giving an argument with regard to the facts, substance or issues at hand, just ad hominems and (pitifully clumsy) dodging of the issues.
Bravo, signore, bravo!
...continued
irpwny 4 years ago
usus: ...continued
"for the morons who can't think for themselves...just add a big mouth, etc."
Poor thing, instead of getting angry try to formulate an argument instead.
Here, I'll help you. Make it something like this: "Irpwny is a ball-less neo-con, half-wit BECAUSE..." and then tell us how and why.
Otherwise you're blowing hot air :)
Not to mention: if my opinions, etc. are so flawed then they should be easily refutable, no?
irpwny 4 years ago
Ur not doing too well Irp-the-twirp!
lrqpp 4 years ago
Irqpp: "Ur not doing too well irp-the-twirp!"
Hmm.. Good one?
irpwny 4 years ago
It's wrong no matter who's doing it. But for anyone to single out the Dems when the Repugs have been free-wheeling since `92...well that's just bullshit.
bushitman 4 years ago 2
I wonder how this compares to the flights taken by Republicans when they held the committee chairs. Oh, it wasn't brought up in this report. Of course it's not right for any of these guys to be taking pleasure trips at our expense but it's a drop in the bucket to the hundreds of billions we are spending on an illegal war.
It5lee 4 years ago 3
lt5: tsk tsk, you were doing so well when you said "it's not right for any of these guys to be taking pleasure trips" but then you tripped over yourself and fell into this mess:
"but it's a drop in the bucket to the hundreds of billions we are spending on an illegal war."
Let me guess, the war is wrong because it's illegal, and it's illegal because it's wrong, oui oui?
Hmm..logic isn't your forte, eh?
irpwny 4 years ago
Republican=Corruption, wars started with faulty intel,
using dead soldiers for P.R. purposes, closet
homosexuals that demonize other homosexuals, 40
million uninsured Americans, and a list too long to
finish..
bigge525 4 years ago
The intel wasn't "faulty", it was fabricated.
Feith's office twisted CIA/FBI & Intl intel leaving out significant doubts over efficacy presenting the data as strong rather than questionable. Example: Meetings between Atta and Iraq Intelligence. Completely discredited, but Feith's office presented it as fact.
WHlTEYNJESUS 4 years ago
whitey: "The intel wasn't "faulty", it was fabricated"
Mhmm. And, pray tell, where is your proof?
And no, fair child, "Feith's office twisted intel" isn't proof, it's an assertion :)
irpwny 4 years ago
Proof Bush created false intel?
Check out Clark or Woodward's books. Or the interview with Ray McGovern here at YT. The evidence is overwhelming. None of them are being sued for libel.
Pentagon Inspector General rpt (I've read it) outlines Feith's "spin" on intel. Feith worked for Rummy who worked for Bush. Take this together with interviews w/those INSIDE the CIA - and you got your proof.
neoKonscious 4 years ago 2
neoKon: Alas, you are as articulate as an ape and as wise as a can of potatoes.
"Proof Bush created false intel? ...check out Clark or Woodward's books"
Ah yes, because it was written it was so, eh? Then I guess we should read Mein Kampf and begin exterminating the Jews again, right?
Try not to be so dogmatic. Do some critical analysis.
But don't strain your pea brain.
:)
irpwny 4 years ago
Comparing mein kampf to CIA expert analyst Clark's book?
That's exactly how fucked up your are.
It5lee 4 years ago 2
lt5lee: "Comparing mein kampf to CIA expert analyst Clark's book?"
Nah, it was taking his maxim, applying it to a parallel situation and showing how absurd it was.
Get over it :)
irpwny 4 years ago
neoKon: "Check out Clark or Woodward's books...The evidence is overwhelming. None of them are being sued for libel."
Hmm..isn't that akin to saying "tabloids aren't sued for most of what they write, therefore most of what they write is true"?
tsk tsk.
Public figures are open to virtually any attack imaginable. The only way for them to win a libel suit is to show actual damages and willful, malicious intent on the part of an author.
Might want to spruce up on your legal knowledge, eh?
irpwny 4 years ago
Wow, so this is the IRP show. Multiple posting like a good little neocon spammer.
Clark is reputable. Woodward is a true journalist. You got a problem with that? Then you're fucked up and I can't help you.
GospeIlightz 4 years ago 3
Gospel: "Wow, so this is the IRP show. Multiple posting like a good little neocon spammer."
Nah, they were each individual responses to individual posts.
Nice try :)
"you're fucked up"
Hmm..do you ever have an actual argument? Or do you just throw tantrums?
"Clark is reputable. Woodward is a true journalist"
And then so are tabloids.
Get over it :)
irpwny 4 years ago
Gospel: "like a good little neocon spammer...you're fucked up"
Rather than getting angry, why don't you provide a rebuttal instead?
Or can you not?
irpwny 4 years ago
Public officials whose actions conflict with their fiduciary and sworn responsibilities are open to valid attacks.
So, you admit Woodward and Clark have no proveable malice toward Bush, yet they write factual and verifiable accounts of his conspiring to mislead Congress and the American public.
We accept your apology.
telenqardc64 4 years ago
telen: "Public officials whose actions conflict with...sworn responsibilities are open to valid attack"
Yes ma'am.
"So, you admit Woodward and Clark have no proveable malice toward Bush"
tsk tsk, a legal scholar you are not. "Proveable malice", though a pretty phrase, isn't the standard of law for libel or slander.
It's near impossible for public figures to sue because they've purposefully put themselves in the light of the public eye.
"they write factual..accounts"
Substantiation is key.
irpwny 4 years ago
telen: "Woodward and Clark have no proveable malice toward Bush"
And proveable malice isn't the standard of law, and much less is it a crime.
"yet they write factual and verifiable accounts"
Alas, and what proof do you have for this? That is, what proof do you have beyond your imagination?
It's not enough to just say something is true, my boy, you have to prove it.
Try again :)
irpwny 3 years ago
Gainor, Woodward, Clarke, Wilson, Downing Street Memo, Pentagon Insp Gen Rpt, Senate PhII Intel Rpt, NIE, ...
The majority of thoughtful journalism & govt reports support the position that Bush Lied to execute the Wolfowitz Plan.
Some neocunts live in denial.
usus53 3 years ago
usus: "The majority of thoughtful journalism & govt reports support the position that Bush Lied to execute the Wolfowitz Plan."
Appealing to majority, eh? Talk about fallacious.
Try again :)
And this time, provide proof and argument, not meaningless citations.
irpwny 3 years ago
Democrats = Pussy
VoodooMagicMan 4 years ago
Republicans = assholes
Seems Republicans prefer assholes to pussies: Craig, Foley, Haggard, Jeff Gannon and his fuck boys Rove, Libby, Cheney...
WHlTEYNJESUS 4 years ago
whitey: "Seems Republicans prefer assholes to pussies: Craig, Foley, Haggard, Jeff Gannon and his fuck boys Rove, Libby, Cheney..."
Ah yes, always with something intelligent to say and an substantive argument to support it.
Bravo?
irpwny 4 years ago
I like thatt: "Seems Republicans prefer assholes to pussies: Craig, Foley, Haggard, Jeff Gannon and his fuck boys Rove, Libby, Cheney..."
Finally - irp doesn't have a come back.
Relative to substance, he's got you beat there as well.
BRAVO!
neoKonscious 4 years ago 2
neoKon: "Finally - irp doesn't have a come back."
Ah yes, slinging mud again, eh? Never with an argument, just babble?
tsk tsk, my boy. Seems you've forgotten your compatriots: Mel Reynolds the child rapist, Barney Franks who ran a prostitution ring, Gerry Studds soliciting sex from underaged boys, etc. ad infinitum.
Try not to let your ignorance blind you too much :)
..continued
irpwny 4 years ago
neoKon: ...continued
"Relative to substance, he's got you beat there as well"
Nah. Saying it doesn't make it so, mon ami. Here, let me help with your arguments, try it this way: "You're a retard and I pwn3d you BECAUSE.." and then say how and why.
Otherwise you're blowing hot air :)
irpwny 4 years ago
That's funny, "REPUBLICANS PREFER ASSHOLES TO PUSSIES". Sounds like a campaign slogan.
spinpoet 4 years ago
Democrats and Republicans are traitors to the American people. Our government is corrupt and should be voided. This election VOTE for the OTHER GUY give a new person a chance or your going to keep getting this crap.
Armagoden 4 years ago
the two party system is broken. do not vote for Rudy McRomney. Do not vote for Hillary Edbama. There are other alternatives. Gravel, Paul and Kucinich.
sheen7334 4 years ago
I wonder how this compares to the flights taken by Republicans when they held the committee chairs. Oh, it wasn't brought up in this report. Of course it's not right for any of these guys to be taking pleasure trips at our expense but it's a drop in the bucket to the hundreds of billions we are spending on an illegal war.
drivin98 4 years ago
Illegal war?
spudnik60 4 years ago
Sorry, I must have stuttered. Illegal war.
drivin98 4 years ago
Ron Paul has never taken a taxpayer-paid junckett.
EchelonMonitor 4 years ago
Does the money really matter? We can always print more.
LuciusBrutus 4 years ago
Lucius: "Lucius Iunius Brutus" eh?
I hope you were being sarcastic :)
irpwny 4 years ago
heebygeeby1 4 years ago
instant gratification will only lead us so far.
FireBatLover 4 years ago
Who put a fat fucking gorilla in charge of homeland security? What a joke.
douche007 4 years ago
Democrats are POOSIES!!! Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! But that's the reality though isn't it? Liberals will always go for instant gratification (sex with everything - including your own gender, abortion, welfare - "free" (TAX-PAID) medical, non-intervention against enemies)... Sad little fuckers. They will ALWAYS take the easy road, and that's why they will never overcome! And that's just fine with me =)
zuutuub 4 years ago
Why are people surprised? There is no difference between republicans & democrats, just as in the uk where labour are the new conservative. Corporations run the world now people, polititians are just their puppets. Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism & the "free" market.
range163 4 years ago
range: Nah, capitalism is what gave you your computer, chair, house, clothes, hair cut, watch, phone, belt, food, etc.
Without capitalism there is no competition, without competition there is no innovation, etc.
Not to mention, thou fair tard, "corporations" have existed for many millenia: from the first venture capitalist investments in shipping to economizing the railroad to today.
irpwny 4 years ago
irpwny you are confusing economics with capitalism. Russia is not capitalist yet they have all the trappings of life AND cutting edge scientific and technological breakthroughs. We are capitalist in the US but we also are in debt and experience an extreme disparity in the distribution of wealth.
chrisperry88 4 years ago
Thank you chrisperry. The free market is not working. If it was you wouldn't governments being forced to bring in laws to regulate companies, as in the UK where the telecommunications industry have just had new laws limiting the amount of money they can steal from consumers, and the banks are next in line. Capitalism (in it's current form) is not working. The rich get richer & the poor work harder (producing stuff for the rich) & are still poor.
range163 4 years ago
range: "The free market is not working" Right, so let's consolidate the economy, power of production, distribution, etc. into the "single hand" of the government.
That sure worked in China, Russia and Germany, didn't it? In fact, last I checked, giving such unbounded power helped Stalin purge 20 million people, had 30 million starved to death in China (remember the GLF?) and helped destroyed Germany.
Not to mention England its own socialist policies that ruined its economy in the 70s.
irpwny 4 years ago
range: What an absurd argument, "If [the free market was working] you wouldn't governments being forced to bring in laws to regulate companies."
That's akin to saying "if the Jews weren't such a problem, Hitler wouldn't have been forced to bring in laws to regulate them."
"amount of money they can steal from consumers" Alas, all fluff and rhetoric. Try your hand at a real argument.
"The rich get richer and the poor work harder" Is that so? Mind producing a few examples, mon ami?
irpwny 4 years ago
range: Forgive the typos, I wrote 'in haste' :)
irpwny 4 years ago
Russia was Communist when the drive to create the technology to put them into space occured. Russia still is a socialist government and is quickly heading back that way, yet there are computers, cars and whatever other electronic junk one might want to own available as well.
chrisperry88 4 years ago
The creation of new technology is not solely the gift of Capitalism. Capitalism has its good points but its expression in America has resulted in the accumulation of wealth by a small number of people and the extension of debt to finance survival for the rest. All of the data necessary for that conclusion is widely available and you are free to check it youself.
chrisperry88 4 years ago
And yes, capitalism is an economic SYSTEM, not economics itself. Economics is the social science of the distribution and production of goods in accordance with wants and needs. Capitalism is a specific method of doing so. As such, don't consider it the do all and end all of economic systems. As practiced in the US it should be considered a crime against humanity and abolished
chrisperry88 4 years ago
chris: "is an economic SYSTEM, not economics itself."
Don't try to cover your arse. It's unbecoming.
"As practiced in the US it should be considered a crime against humanity" Lots of fluff and no substance. If you're going to make an argument start by saying "capitalism is a crime BECAUSE..." and then tell us how and why.
"It hurts the poor" and other like soundbites aren't arguments.
irpwny 4 years ago
Unregulated capitalism is a crime because it favors organized business interests OVER the interests of the public for which the government has fiduciary responsibilities to protect.
At the end of the cold war, Capitalism had no competition. So we've been seeing more of it's true face. Cheap off-shore labor, no environmental regulation, no safety checks. Results - US mfging in decline, imports contain lead and melamine, huge OIL company profits.
WHlTEYNJESUS 4 years ago
whitey: Ah yes, another poor, indoctrinated 12 year old.
"capitalism is a crime it favors organized business interests OVER the interest of the public"
Nah, the interest of the public is the economy, and the economy is perpetuated by every business you see.
Your point is moot.
continued...
irpwny 4 years ago
"Indroctrinated" & "Faux Noise viewer" are synonomous.
But, in classic Rovian neocon fashion, you've projected your SHIT onto your free-thinking opponents.
I can only imagine how low your self-esteem MUST be.
armsyrup 4 years ago 4
armsyrup: ""Indroctrinated" & "Faux Noise viewer" are synonomous."
tsk tsk, do you ever have an actual argument?
"you've projected your SHIT onto your free-thinking opponents."
My my, dogmatic much?
Here's a novel idea: instead of throwing tantrums like a 12 year old, trying giving a substantive argument or rebuttal of what I've said.
I know it's hard for a mental midget like you, but give it a whack, k?
:)
irpwny 4 years ago
What an asshole you are irp.
bushitman 4 years ago 2
bushit: "What an asshole you are irp."
That may be, but my assholeness isn't the issue, is it?
irpwny 4 years ago
whitey: ...continued
"At the end of the cold war, Capitalism had no competition."
Hmm..sorry to burst your bubble, but the USSR and the US weren't in competition either economically or by market.
"no environmental regulations...safety checks...imports contain lead, etc."
tsk tsk, might want to check Nixon's EPA, OSHA, etc. Not to mention: it's not the US's fault imported toys contained lead, that falls under the purview of (communist) China's manufacturers.
Good job?
irpwny 4 years ago
Lack of competition is the worst thing for any entity, especially when that entity is an "economic system".
Though you like to quibble about whether the struggle for world dominance was "competition", the "arms race" sounds competitive to me. They competed for countries that had oil & other natural resources and countries that bordered trade routes.
Absolute competition.
Now you want to quibble about whose responsible for our health? You're one fucked up "indoctrinated" 12 year old.
armsyrup 4 years ago 3
armsyrup: "Now you want to quibble about whose responsible for our health? You're one fucked up "indoctrinated" 12 year old."
And your point is what exactly?
irpwny 4 years ago
chris: "not solely the gift of capitalism" And you're right, Capitalism encourages it. How so? By competition.
"accumulation of wealth by a small number of people" Quite the contrary, a study was done a few years ago mapping the "disparity of wealth" in Europe and found the ratios to be the same now as they were in the 1600's.
"extension of debt" Nope. People get themselves into debt. Corporations don't.
irpwny 4 years ago
The "free market" is a myth. There is no real competition between oil companies and other companies selling commodities.
WHlTEYNJESUS 4 years ago
whitey: "The "free market" is a myth. There is no real competition between oil companies and other companies selling commodities."
tsk tsk, but socialist markets "are" free instead?
Nah, government control of the means of production, industry, etc. only does one thing: destroys competition, drives up prices, drives down quality and creates the ultimate corporation against which there is no recourse: one almighty government.
Get over yourself already :)
irpwny 4 years ago
China's socialist market place is freer than the US capitalist system.
But enough of your tired talking point shit.
Your finished.
neoKonscious 4 years ago 3
neoKonscious: "China's socialist market place is freer than the US capitalist system."
Yup, with it's centralized planning, industry and absolute government control it's the model for free markets.
Moron :)
irpwny 4 years ago
I guess the bilderbergers have no control over our markets.
It5lee 4 years ago 4
neoKon: Not to mention the wonderful analytic contradiction you've created for yourself in your own (not so) brilliant assertion: "China's socialist market place is freer than the US capitalist system"
tsk tsk indeed.
Might want to look up the words "socialism" and "capitalism" in the dictionary, my dear.
ta ta my empty headed friend! :)
irpwny 4 years ago
chris: "when the drive to creat the technology put them into space occurred"
False cause: they wanted to be in space to have dominance over the US.
Yes, Russia is sliding back. Pity isn't it?
Capitalism has nothing to do with computers and "other junk" it has to do with free trade and business.
irpwny 4 years ago
chrisperry: "you are confusing economics with capitalism." Hmm..need I remember you capitalism is an economic system?
Russia isn't capitalist? Don't tell that to all the rising entrepreneurs there.
"we are in debt and experience an extreme disparity in...wealth" Not quite, the US's poverty line, GDP, etc. are far higher than any other country.
irpwny 4 years ago
Yeah because congress is ONLY made up of democrats right? So its only the democrats that are using tax payers money for this right? God you fucking people are idiots. No wonder this country is going down the shitter, its full of ignorant dumb motherfuckers that only care about trashing the opposing political party rather than trying to make the country better. Fuck You.
rickyah 4 years ago
Woo! CNN isn't as partisan as I thought they were! I'll give them a little more watchy-watch
QuartuvLarry 4 years ago
This isn't about one party being corrupt. It's about the whole damn government being corrupt. The democrats didnt but an 85 million dollar exectutive military jet to take these vacations. The government did.
topples 4 years ago
Yeah, and I am sure the Republican controlled Congress pre-2006 stayed at home and ate nothing but bread and water during their vacation.
stewart0312 4 years ago
You forgot to mention the hookers, drinks, gambling money and fancy rental cars, and oh yeah, massages. Oh, wait, those are the republicans..
killah94 4 years ago
But didn't the Democrats get into office last fall by promising to run "the most ethical Congress in history?" Noone is saying only the Democrats do it, just that from ethics to spending to 'business as usual,' its amazing how quickly they've not only not improved on the Republicans' corrupt behavior, but outdone it (especially the spending).
chrisbord 4 years ago
1) I thought Democrats cared about the poor, and despised the rich.
2) Liberals preach one message, and live another one.
3) Democrats attack private schools, but most of them send their kids to private schools. That's only another example of Liberal hypocrisy
darcytirsia 4 years ago
Democrats as usual.
TheAmericanManifesto 4 years ago
Wow. The Republican congress did the same exact thing.
Oh, and you do know that they had 31,000 some odd
earmarks of pork during GWB's first term right
demliars? Nothing like criticizing the other party
for doing the exact same thing your party has done..
LOL LOL LOL
bigge525 4 years ago
So the old corrupt, pork addicted guys did it, we can do it too?? WTF?? Didn't the Democrats just get themselves elected by promising they'd STOP this out of control spending, the ethical transgressions, not accelerate it??
chrisbord 4 years ago
Wow, what a change we got voting the dems in. O legislation and now they cave to the president on war funding, oh they did stand up for their pork though.
demliars 4 years ago
Q: Who has NEVER taken gov't funded junket?
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A: Ten term congressman Ron Paul!
OfficalConspirator 4 years ago
You forgot to mention the hookers, drinks, gambling money and fancy rental cars, and oh yeah, massages.
midwestcharm 4 years ago
Have the Bush administration, Defense and Pentagon account for and repay all the "missing money" taken from Medicare, Social Security, HUD and anywhere else they stole it from. Have complete and independent audits of Halliburton, Lockheed and all the companies which have benefited by cronyism.
Ahippi 4 years ago
You idiots let them get away with it.
Ahippi 4 years ago
You idiots elect them in office .
Ahippi 4 years ago
You gotta love that hard-hitting journalism. Imagine how much of a dent we can make in the national debt if we forced congressman to stop wasting "tens of thousands of dollars" every year. I'm glad this reporter was able to finally uncover the truth about politicians who mix business with pleasure on long trips abroad. [/sarcasm] Is this really the only story about government waste and corruption that CNN could find in Washington?
Ron Paul 2008.
NewspeakDictionary 4 years ago
It's representative of the sort of disgusting behavior that, after a short hiatus for show when the Democrats took power, is back in fashion. Democrats claimed all along it was the Republicans who were corrupt. This just proves all along it wasn't one party or the other, it was the system.
chrisbord 4 years ago
dumbocratic led congress! has lower ratings then what they say OUR PRESIDENT has. Wonder why that is. Maybe cuz the left wingers raised the white flag of surrender. and nobody likes loosers lmao
spookynshadow 4 years ago
This doesn't me. Bela Pelosi was going to let that other corrupt Democrat, Richard Jefferson(9OK hidden in my freezer), chair the Homeland Security Committee before there was an uproar. Barney probably took a side trip to Fire Island.
patsagainstrats 4 years ago
All of government is corrupt, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER. What we have to do is pick the lesser of two evils.
damng00d 4 years ago
It's not like they don't deserve the trips. I mean they TRY to pass so much legislation. It's the least we could do for them.
crazy2004 4 years ago
Is this all you've got?
Pathetic.
MarquisdeBarrabas 4 years ago
Ron Paul sucks.
And so do Democrats
ToddonCapeCod 4 years ago
Lol don't forget to add the 12 million an hour on a war they will never win.
Raaandom 4 years ago
Culture of Corruption!
StevenAndrewMiller 4 years ago
I foresee the Pelosinator blasting CNN with her laser vision.
auhin 4 years ago
Another example of Nancy Pelosi's "most honest, most open, most ethical congress in history"
clghitis1 4 years ago
Democrats. It figures.
JayAreDubya 4 years ago