Fuck Chuck Norris and all his fake ass "fans" he didn't do shit, Texas Walker Ranger? Delta Force? are you f-ing kidding me!! meet the real Badass ladies and gentlemen
@XzNi he is slower in tekken. and other chars in tekken are more quick than reality. that makes Marshal Law in tekken an ordinary charachter, and not the superior master Bruce Lee is.
bruce lee was"nt a martial artist, michael jackson was"nt king of pop, oyama was"nt a bull killer, Ali was"nt a boxer, jeet kune do is not for combat but for acting.............
THESE R FEW OF ULTIMATE TRUTHS BEING DISCOVERED TODAY.
For all the lee fans investigate a little. There is a reason why no expert ever said lee was a "great fighter" Only a few guys, all of which profit from promoting lee, ever said he was. He never fought nor beat anyone good. His career was embelished for image. They made up a fight with Uechi. Yes look him up to.. never existed before or after. Wake up people lee was an actor with 4 years wing chun experience.. that does not make an expert..
hes real he died... hehad over doze he cannot make a film if he made a film and rlly fight chuck norris bull shit! chuck would die in 1 sec bruce lee got kileld by a doctor so sad... american assholes don't know hes real... cuz they haven't seen past but i have
Bruce Lee was mesmerizing....enough said. Why discuss if he was a great fighter, he had that special something to make people still be interested in him after all these years. How many people have that?
@belasgirl6 hitler had that... i can name a lot of people.. most con artists r very charismatic. lee was a great con man.. made many believe he was a great fighter when he really was not..
@MrPlasticfriend i believe lee was special. He brought a lot to the world of martial arts. He inspired millions with his chosen path. There is nothing proving he was a great fighter and in the absence of anything one can not just assume he was because he could push a guy over a chair or do movies.
Respond to this video... you are at last talking sense here .... now please realise that there is nothing to say he wasn't a great fighter, the tragic truth of it is that, we will never know ... please do not lower this conversationinto speculation again by quoting "so and so" saying that he was not "this or that", to do so would be to entertain here say.
@snaketattoo13 snake... if you have SOME training, it is not hard to watch and REWATCH, gleaning ideas about someones technique.
You have yet to answer my query on the value of any Titular assertion based on quantitive OR qualitative evidence, esp. regards to non-assisted human motion.
And for that matter, your attempts at insult and insinuation dont bear much fruit when in other posts you have called out others for doing so. :P
@snaketattoo13 is this how you prove your point?.. or did you have a point.. i would further speculate that your only reason for being here, was to spread anti MA hate, that you are a troll and a hater ... prove me wrong, re-state your claim, so that we can begin this discussion anew.
Or will you continue attempts to drag our personal lives into this, such that you can degenerate any talk into a name calling slugfest.
@meatpuppet76 cocky, no, that's not it. But he was sharp, lightning quick, not only with his body, but with his mind, and with his words. He always give a wink with his words, and yes, some maye experience that as being cocky...
listen up fellows. bruce lee is and always be the best. no one can compare. all this talk about mma ufc is shit.. he was much than that. he would have made a great hit man.
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is"
**Sugar Ray Leonard.
I know all the rednecks like snakefucker13 n' van dumb ass etc.. can not stand this quote.. why?? coz fuckers are RACIST REDNECK SHIT HEAD FUCK... no question.... huahahahahaha...............
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is"
this maggot un-fucking-believably said it meant 'greatest actor'.. that's why. fucker 's a white trash dick.
@phoniex1 That's right where does Leonard say greatest fighter. In same interview he compares lee to other actors. Never fighters. I wonder why. Hahahaha.
So again why do experts agree lee would lose today. Or that lee was not even a fighter. Or that lee was not real. I love it. I really do.
Look up Lewis, Norris, Gracie, rutten, Mullins, lebell, Maloney, walker... Just to name a few.
@snaketattoo13 so what?? u stupid redneck fuck.. so what?? u racist hater.. u r a white trash n delusional fuck..
u racist fuck can not stand this quote. why? coz u r a loser n racist fuck..
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is"
@snaketattoo13 they say those who are not naturally gifted fighters can beat naturally gifted people by training 10 times hader,its safe to say bruce trained 100 times harder
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
It has been said that a kick from bruce lee is like being hit by a truck. i guess the closest any of us will ever come to a fight with bruce lee is to walk into oncoming traffic and hope a mac truck doesn't see us
@snaketattoo13 i dont need to quote it, wheres your source of what your saying is true, you say he wasnt a great fighter becuase he wasnt in a tournament with other fighters, he only fought in movies, which isnt true, he was a street fighter, and he won his fights
@RockoViper54 Snaketattoo13 does not deal in facts, he deals in hyperbole and rants. Earlier i tried to disuade his mechanical trolling, along the lines of "burden of proof applies to both sides of an argument" , and yet his response was along the lines of "they are the ones making the claims, so they need to proove their claims!" Clearly and consistantly Snaketattoo13 has prooven that he is a logic fail.
There is the kid who is the best basket ball ever. I have seen him dribble the ball amaizing. He can slam dunk and free throw like no other. He is simply by far the best ever. He has never played in the NBA or against any of the best players but he is better then Jordan ever was.
Now I say he was better although he never played. Now big shot.. can u prove he was not. his name is Bob Smith. Fucking great player.
@snaketattoo13 the solution to your problem is to adjust the metric of your measure, how do you Qualify an abstract such as "Best" in the MA world?It is easy to Quantify achievements,to create your Metric,but that would require all claimants/claims to Mirror those achievements used to Qualify any Titular Award.This metric does not work outside of the contemporary,many are those who might be the best,but for an unwillingness or inability to participate in such a metric.
@MrPlasticfriend first off how can "many are those who might be the best." Nice try..attempt to sound smart kinda back fired didnt it. Sorry many can not be the best fool..
in any event even if someone may be the best but does not participate others can not draw a conclusion he is the best with the lack of any proof. Simply to much a leap of faith to draw that conclusion....
As in Lee's case. He did nothing so there fore one can not say he was great or the best.
@MrPlasticfriend has netted many various factoids, such as that Master Lee Did participate in organised matches,there are witnesses to his beating up various "Street punks"
and that there is video footage of him doing near on 100 punches(minor repetition but used various Strikes, not just straight punches) in under 11 seconds-his recorded strike speed from full rested arms at sides,is around 1/20th of a second. if you were a REAL TROLL,you'd be able to turn those facts to your side of this.
@MrPlasticfriend but i am still waiting for u to prove Peewee herman was not a great fighter. Use what ever "metric" u choose. You can not prove he was a great fighter. Herman did notthing to suggest this. Nor can u prove bob smith was not the best ball player.
funny how u avoid this. Use ur simple logic........ burden of proof now rests with you.....
@snaketattoo13 show me were i claimed or even mentioned peewee herman, and the anecdote for your Bob Smith ...... is your anecdote, to which i have added my opinion.
It is nice to see you now using the term: "Great" over "greatest" or "best", as it is indeed much easier to determine "great"
great |grāt|
adjective
1 of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average.
@snaketattoo13 are you attempting to make peewee herman analogous to Bruce Lee as an example of why Bruce Lee was not a Great MA?
I have never seen any evidence of Mr. Herman being good at anything, so no I will not attempt to prove otherwise, there is however ample evidence that Mr. Lee was both an exceptional Athelete, and a great MA.
i have never heard of Bob Smith and care not for Basketball, your point does illustrate the recklessness of labels though
@MrPlasticfriend no, follow along, i am not saying Mr. Herman's situation is in anyway an example of lee's lack of fighting skill. My point is that u can not prove Mr. Herman is not a great fighter. However u suggest that there is some burden of proof on me to prove lee was not. Simply stated the burden of proof lies 100% on the person making the claim.
Again u can not source anyting showing lee was a great fighter. not a article, interview, video etc. so why was he?
@snaketattoo13 you logic fail, includes but is not limited to the fact that You are indeed making a claim, yet seem to think that you are not.
You claim that Mr. Lee was Not a fighter, merely an actor, needs more then hearsay as justification.
You implore and demand that others provide proof, for arguments or claims, but when it comes to your own arguments or claims, you seem deliriously immune to your own conditionals.
@MrPlasticfriend no it is you that r making an assumption lee was a great fighter based on nothing. I simply am saying u can not say he was with no eveidence to suggest it. Again I can make claims of anything with ur logic.
Once again something is not simply because u or anyone say it is without some sort of proof. If lee was a great fighter fine source what makes u come to that conclusion. Let me guess he did push ups.. yup greatest fighter ever. lmfao
@snaketattoo13 I have never stated that Mr. Lee was the Best Fighter in the World, that was a reference that you introduced to this thread as a means to provoke response. My use of the word "Great" was along the lines of "its nice to see you use the word great, as that is a claim far easier to proove. great |grāt|
adjective
1 of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average : the article was of great interest | she showed great potential as an actor."
@MrPlasticfriend now i never said lee was not an athlete nor a martial artist now did i! Once again there is nothing u have ever seen that suggest lee was a great fighter.. nothing. and to imply that if i can not prove he was, there is some credibility that he was is rediculous.
Eg would u go to a doctor who claims he is a doctor although not recognized by the medical association? No want proof. no matter what fan of his says he is good at medicine.... sorry that is life.
@snaketattoo13 you have previously claimed that he was nothing more then an actor, in your response to belasgirl6 you have even claimed that not only is Mr. Lee not a fighter but he is a con-man for having provoked belief in his fighting powers.
What part of Martial Artist don't you understand Snake?
As to what I have or havent seen, and any suggestion i have garnered from what i have seen, should that not be my own testimony .... and not yours?
@snaketattoo13 please show me where i have said that Mr. Lee was a great fighter?... my argument remains the same: "You Mr. Snake, need to provide proof for Your claims as much as you demand them from others."
Mr. Lee Practiced Self Defence, which is merely the euphemism that all old school MA's used to describe their arts, perhaps you should read some Sun Tzu?
@snaketattoo13 there is no striving on my part, as i have stated elsewhere on this thread, i am merely playing the devil's advocate to you strident claims.
the discussion here was engendered when you demanded that people should provide proof of Mr. Lee's abilities. My counter to your demand is, provide proof of his lack of ability, to which you provide quotes.
Using other peoples Opinions does not create facts.
My Point therefore remains: that neither side of any discussion over Mr. Lee's abilities can escape this lack of fight footage or record.
@MrPlasticfriend again u fail to follow... Prove Pee Wee Herman was not a great fighter. Oops that is correct you cant prove he was not.
Now here i will prove Mike Tyson was a great boxer.... his record, his knock outs, the experts that speak of him, his opponents that talk of him, I have seen him knock out many good fighters, his knock out in street fights well documented.......
Wait im still waiting for u to source anything that showed lee was a great fighter.....
@snaketattoo13 ok lets "play" Your game shall we? Prove to me that Peewee Herman is not a great fighter Snake: similar to Mr. Lee there is no footage or documentary evidence to suggest he is, but by extension there is also no evidence against, this is called a conundrum, and is the basis for my continued counter argument to your claims that Mr. Lee was not a great fighter, and indeed was nothing but an actor.
I have made no claims to Mr. Lee being a great fighter, only a great technician.
@MrPlasticfriend so becausae one studies to be a dr and does all the training they must automatically be a good dr.. wait that is as idiotic as saying lee was a good fighter just because he trained....... wait that is what u fanboys say.. no proof he could actually fight... he never fought anyone good.. he never beat anyone good....
your point is taken.. one is not good simply becuase they train or study or practice....
@snaketattoo13 does introducing a degree of ability prove your point?
"One cannot be a Doctor without the studies or training, if the studies and training have been done, then what use is the bit of paper?"- note that i did not mention any ability of said Hypothetical Person - once again you revert to straw man trollisms.
@MrPlasticfriend so becausae one studies to be a dr and does all the training they must automatically be a good dr.. wait that is as idiotic as saying lee was a good fighter just because he trained....... wait that is what u fanboys say.. no proof he could actually fight... he never fought anyone good.. he never beat anyone good....
your point is taken.. one is not good simply becuase they train or study or practice....
@MrPlasticfriend topic lee was not a great fighter. nothing u have ever seen suggests he was. I am asking u what makes u believe he was a great fighter when no one said he was, he never fought anyone good, never beat anyone good, u cant rely on movies.. what makes him a great fighter...... i suggest u need to source where u come up with this fantasy because in the absence of evidence it is to much a leap of faith to say he was. and u cant say prove he was not.. see peewee herman.
@snaketattoo13 let us return to Metrics eh? By what are you basing your judgments upon? Those are your metrics..... you say that X is not a great fighter..... well tell us why ...
Any claims that X was an actor and therefore cannot be a great fighter are moot, as one person can and usually does, have more then one skill set.
Once again... inform us of the justification behind your claims. And may i ask that you refrain from hyperbole and Hearsay, and provide any proofs you can muster.
@MrPlasticfriend... further more, if no one has stated that Mr. Lee "was a great fighter", then there is no point to argue. We can retire the field of battle our wits sated with such ritual combat as we have enjoyed.
or will you insist on trollishly calling me out as a fanboi? =o
@snaketattoo13 if no one said he was a great fighter, why your campaign to prove he wasnt? Could it be that you thought this an easy troll? To be precise: it was you who introduced the topic of whether or not he is a great fighter to this thread. It has been throughout this thread You, who has placed claims into peoples mouths, so to speak, in an effort to steer this thread towards areas you felt you could defame and "flame" "fanboi's". Your motives are less then transparent.
@MrPlasticfriend wow can u make more speculations? now ur tellingme why i proved lee was not a great fighter.. could it be.........
and again u demanded i prove.. i did..i at least provided something.. not to ur satisfaction of course.. but then again all u have done is ignore my request to tell me whu u think lee was a great fighter.. u banter, ur run in around avoiding, u demand but u dont source anything..
i will await ur next yammer session but i guarantee there will be no eveidence.
@snaketattoo13 I never stated that i thought Mr. Lee was a "great fighter". What ever my personal opinions are, i have done my best to keep them out of this argument :)
As to calls for proof: please show me where exactly you provided anything concrete and grounded in reality, to prove your claims that Mr. Lee:
1. Was Not a great fighter,
2. nor even a fighter
3. or Martial artist.
So far all ive seen is misquotes, "expert opinion" from people who never met him, and hyperbole in general.
@MrPlasticfriend oh i believe lee was a martial artist.. i believe he was a great martial artist.. does not makehim a fighter by default... nor a great fighter..... to be called great at anything there must be something to draw that conclusion... with lee there simply is not...
@snaketattoo13 , it is nice to see you finally cede towards Mr. Lee's favour. As to the last part of your comment, ... this is what i've been saying all along, however - as always such logic works both ways, you cannot simply doubt a claim based on lack of proof, you accept such claims at face value, reserving judgement when more proof (if ever) arrives. Doing otherwise is as bad as making rash and unfounded claims :P
@MrPlasticfriend again u need something.. anything in order to make an assumption like lee was a good or great fighter.. what causes one to draw that conclusion... he did push ups? he pushed a guy over a chair? Choreographed long beach sparring? Movies... No none of that... all i ask is what gives anyone the impression lee was a good or great fighter.. i cant find anything..... i can find experts saying he simply could not win or he was not a fighter at all.
Our time is now, but to understand Mr Lee's Fame, you have to look at HIS TIME. So much of what MMA is today, grew out of an understanding of Asian Ma, fostered by his films.
None of which is to say that Mr. Lee was or wasn't a great fighter, I would like to believe that he would not like to be known as such :P, if simply to foster more peace on this planet :P
@snaketattoo13 you find it strange that so many "experts" would defame the single most well known MA of the 20th century?
Though it could be said that Lee was no stranger to publicity, i think you should reference your own comments about media shenanigans :P
Whether or not, anything said of or about him is true or not, todays' Media driven MA could do worse then seek proximity to Mr. Lee, even if they are critizing him to get so close.
"@MrPlasticfriend wow can u make more speculations? now ur tellingme why i proved lee was not a great fighter.. could it be........." ... reading comprehension fail?
You have proved nothing Snake..*facepalm*
You keep asking me to testify on comments that i never made ... this is exactly how you induced this entire argument previously... its called a straw man argument Snake... and in this case... it is very transparent.
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
ok wanna know something about bruce lee, true fact, he is the only martial artist actor who when does a technique they need to slow it down to see it, he is faster then the camera, every other fight scene you watch has been sped up.
@RockoViper54 wow slow down the camera? That is some amaizing feat. And u know this how? Where did u read this? Where did u see some director/Producer say this.
Wait u cant source it. U heard this rumor and u just run with it. Source ur lie! Sorry I mean source what u say.
@snaketattoo13 u r now rapidly becoming a delusional retarded redneck fuck head.. Shut the fuck up, u prejudiced low life shit headed fuck tard!!! Did I say u r a redneck?? that too, u fucking pathetic loser..
@snaketattoo13 u r now rapidly becoming a delusional retarded redneck fuck head.. Shut the fuck up, u prejudiced low life shit headed fuck tard!!! Did I say u r a redneck?? that too, u fucking pathetic loser..
@snaketattoo13 fairly sure that the slowing down of the film for playback is a well documented factoid, clearly stated in many of the Documentaries on this Wonderful and gifted Martial artist.
BTW, snaketattoo13, do you ONLY troll this one video, or do you grasp for more meaning in your life then the average 13y'old troll these days? ... and yes.. i just called you out as a troll... :P deal with it :)
@MrPlasticfriend ur fairly certain that slowing down the film is well documented.. huh.. really? but wait this "well documented" factoid just is not documented like.......ANYWHERE... imagine that. you would think one producer/director somewhere would have spoken about it. but not one.. every.. wtf?
Oh I get it ur a fanboy. U just spout the words "well documented" and "factoid". but we can clearly serch and find UR FULL OF SHIT!
@snaketattoo13 go down to your local video store,and look for any of the documentaries of Bruce Lee's life, within many you will find the words of those that worked with him,on the set,or in the editor's box that will testify against your(trolling)doubts.Bruce's fight scenes were usually shot in an slightly higher FPS,which in his era i am led to believe was about a 24fps-32fps shift.
wikipedia Bruce_Lee <-- have a read mate, cant troll on something you know nothing about.
@MrPlasticfriend well u read the frame rate.. shit that solves everything.. just source where u "read" it. Clearly if you "read" it. we can all go an read it to settle this..
but fuck me wait.. u wont source shit cause ur full of shit...
And by the way dont use wikipedia for any source. Linda Lee and her daughter r the source for most of the lies.. hardly biased!
Still waiting for u to prove herman not best and Smith..
@snaketattoo13 you cannot post if your post contains web addresses....so ugh... you win on that one ...:)... troll :P
as above.. and do try to keep up with me.... i have dealt with your silly herman idea (?) and as far as your Smith anecdote, i have posted as well :).. i leave it to you to judge his abilities as i have never seen him play :P
@MrPlasticfriend as i said u can not prove Peewee herman was not a great fighter. U demand I prove lee was not saying the burden of proof is both sides. I say ur full of shit. The burden of proof rests with the person who makes a claim someone is the best or great at something. If they make the claim they need to prove how they came to this conclusion and not say "he is great and u cant prove he was not"
So again I wait for u to prove Herman is not a great fighter.
@snaketattoo13 the open edit system of wikipedia, esp. on frequented articles of well known and documented persons, whilst open to abuse, is self rectifying.
I find it amusing at best that your calls for proof apparently do not apply to your own assertions.
You, I and everyone who tracks this exchange, know that I have given my answers to your persistent calls for answers to your mostly off topic queries.
Instead of asking me to gather the facts for you, why don't you research them yourself?
@RockoViper54 , prior to Lee there was not much call to increase frame rates, many Ma actors were chinese opera, as can be seen by the end fight in "Big Boss".
Post Lee, we now see it quite often, to the point where non-MA actors will be shot in slow motion to make them look fast (bullet time) or shot at lower frame rates to chop up their movements - giving them the appearance of being faster then they actually were, during the shoot.
Food for thought for a redneck maggot snakefucker13..
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snakefucker13's barking that 'GREATEST in this quote was meant to be 'GREATEST ACTOR'
ANY MORE PROOF NEEDED TO SHOW SNAKEFUCKER13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT??
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL.... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard..
snakefucker13, I know u can not stand this quote, why? cuz u r a redneck, racist, bigot, cock sucker, mother fucker white trash, prejudiced maggot, shit head ass hole
@phoniex1 I don't mind that quote. Can u show me where Leonard says lee was greatest fighter. Little man? Greates martial art actor yes. Watch video who does he compare lee to. Right other actors. No real fighters.
@snaketattoo13 Bruce Lee was a martial artist and a street fighter before he got into movies,there are countless accounts of Bruce answering challenges on the street,on set of his movies in his backyard even,but no matter what we tell you ,you have already dismissed Bruce's fighting ability in advance...you're entitled to your opinion,even though you are wrong.
@boleplissken lee was a child actor long before he did martial arts. He was a dancer. His own brother admitted lee was a "cha cha dancer" and not a fighter. What do you think that meant!
His friend and world champ Joe Lewis said "lee was not a fighter. A great teacher but not a fighter."
@snaketattoo13 If you really believe what you're saying,why are you watching Bruce Lee's videos? what do you care what someone thinks about Bruce? If you know anything about Bruce,you surely know that the reach of his influence goes way beyond martial arts...because if it didn't... he would be just another fighter...but he is much more.
@boleplissken I never said lee was not influential. He is one of the most influential martial artists ever. He was just not a fighter. Nothing anyone has ever seen proved he was a great fighter. I'm just spreading the truth.
Bruce Lee influences many fighting games!! Marshall law (tekken) liu kang (mortal kombat) but I haven't played street fighter :/
SnipezKingXD 1 week ago
21 people dont have tv
ramircutuday 2 weeks ago
Klick a couple of times at 2.02 hahaha he is dead.
jaapioyo 2 weeks ago
Great video. One of the best tributes for sure.
ursusarctos72 2 weeks ago
What music is used for this?
Restayvien 1 month ago
IF i had 3 wishes....
1 - Bruce was my Dad
2 - Bruce was alive today
3 - Enter the same tournamant as Mr Twat Norris and show the world who really is the Master...On screen & Off screen.
Agree with cell9899. Chuck Norris is a fake and Jackie Chan-once he went to America made some right shite movies.
MrDjc1970 1 month ago 3
Nice video thank you !
AkirameroRurouni 1 month ago
Fuck Chuck Norris and all his fake ass "fans" he didn't do shit, Texas Walker Ranger? Delta Force? are you f-ing kidding me!! meet the real Badass ladies and gentlemen
cell9899 1 month ago
Well Done
flyingvleather 1 month ago
Bruce Lee & Law from Tekken are the same ppl :)
XzNi 1 month ago
@XzNi Don't forget Fei Long from Street Fighter. ^^
Restayvien 1 month ago
@XzNi he is slower in tekken. and other chars in tekken are more quick than reality. that makes Marshal Law in tekken an ordinary charachter, and not the superior master Bruce Lee is.
EarthSh4ker 2 weeks ago
Легенда !
APGS666 2 months ago
@APGS666
Вы правы, брат
ее великая вещь
cipher10000 1 month ago
nice
BLUERAY1 2 months ago
SONG NAME ?? Beautiful tribute !!!!!!!!!
rebecchiverona 2 months ago
I can't believe he's dead... it's a shame, I wish he was still alive he is an amazing man.
MichaelBeachSand 2 months ago 3
Song name please?
BlackDillon 3 months ago
Press 2 for the Bruce Lee 1 Inch Punch Style
XC3LSp 3 months ago
Bruce Lee - we loved him, but God loved him more.
Sick tribute.
BlackDillon 3 months ago 2
anyone would wanted a fair fight between bruce lee and chuck norris in real....
arr4evr 3 months ago
@arr4evr
only bruce lee and chuck norris didn't want it
Yautja297 3 months ago
21 dislikes are from Chuck Norris
arealmonger 3 months ago 2
That was a beautiful tribute
arealmonger 3 months ago 13
I Agree.:)
kaylernsparton117 2 months ago
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The 21 dislikes are lucky Bruce had to evolve into something we can't because we have to many dislikes.
Peace2011yes 3 months ago
rip Bruce.
Wish I had his abbs in my vid!
absoluteabbs 4 months ago
what is this song in this film?
morexevil 4 months ago
bruce lee was"nt a martial artist, michael jackson was"nt king of pop, oyama was"nt a bull killer, Ali was"nt a boxer, jeet kune do is not for combat but for acting.............
THESE R FEW OF ULTIMATE TRUTHS BEING DISCOVERED TODAY.
HAHAHA..............
broulys1729 4 months ago in playlist Liked
its interesting how i saw someone say bruce lee was a mere "actor" when chuck norris himself was actually a student of his..
mrtnlee1 4 months ago
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jawdenizdakilla232 4 months ago
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For all the lee fans investigate a little. There is a reason why no expert ever said lee was a "great fighter" Only a few guys, all of which profit from promoting lee, ever said he was. He never fought nor beat anyone good. His career was embelished for image. They made up a fight with Uechi. Yes look him up to.. never existed before or after. Wake up people lee was an actor with 4 years wing chun experience.. that does not make an expert..
snaketattoo13 4 months ago
He is a legend and never die!!
vittodav2 4 months ago
amazing video!!!!!! and the background music is great!!! can you tell me what song is this please???
angelsechoes 5 months ago
amazing video!!!!!!
angelsechoes 5 months ago
2.46 Chuck Norris used like a drum kit!!!
2patero 5 months ago
Awesome Legendary video my friend.......Legendary video!!!!!!!
123arskas 5 months ago 10
snaketatoo is a homosexual.
1288dallas 5 months ago
Boa =D
ErwinBr100 5 months ago
the only who can to beat Bruce lee is Spider-man!!!
omarengo 5 months ago
@omarengo i flagging youre comment as spam chuck norris
121Mayan 5 months ago
This is one badass video. Like, thumb up, and view consecutively!
StevenThePhilosopher 5 months ago
hes real he died... hehad over doze he cannot make a film if he made a film and rlly fight chuck norris bull shit! chuck would die in 1 sec bruce lee got kileld by a doctor so sad... american assholes don't know hes real... cuz they haven't seen past but i have
walla236 5 months ago
Now I understand all those Chuck Norris jokes. Since he fought Bruce Lee, he must have done all those other things, too.
lelimuzi 5 months ago
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lelimuzi 5 months ago
the best martial artist of all time, no one can compare to him
rayik06 6 months ago
1:42 speaking like a boss
lawrencevo 6 months ago
DID YOU GUYS SEE THAT AT 1:16 ?!!!! HOLY SHI****T!
Jsnare13 6 months ago
it would be awesome if he's still alive! :D
BoyNextDoor1821 6 months ago
Bruce Lee was mesmerizing....enough said. Why discuss if he was a great fighter, he had that special something to make people still be interested in him after all these years. How many people have that?
belasgirl6 6 months ago 3
@belasgirl6 hitler had that... i can name a lot of people.. most con artists r very charismatic. lee was a great con man.. made many believe he was a great fighter when he really was not..
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 what do you find so special about Hitler? or Con-artists?
also please provide a source for your assertion that Mr. Lee was a Con-artist.
Are you agreeing with belasgirl6 on her point that Mr. Lee was a special person or not?
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend i believe lee was special. He brought a lot to the world of martial arts. He inspired millions with his chosen path. There is nothing proving he was a great fighter and in the absence of anything one can not just assume he was because he could push a guy over a chair or do movies.
snaketattoo13 5 months ago
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MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
Respond to this video... you are at last talking sense here .... now please realise that there is nothing to say he wasn't a great fighter, the tragic truth of it is that, we will never know ... please do not lower this conversationinto speculation again by quoting "so and so" saying that he was not "this or that", to do so would be to entertain here say.
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
Excellent. The best tribute to Bruce Lee on Youtube.
tigduh09 6 months ago
wiki pedia Bruce_Lee <-- have a read, is a fairly good article.
aaand no Snaketattoo13 , i am not a "fanboi" i just know how freakish Master Lee's technique is.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend sorry how do u know first hand lee's technique.. i mean all u have seen is demos, movies etc..
How do u know.. wait why am i asking u run from every question i ask....Typical fanboy...
Run little man run... go disarm people with ur shirt...
Loser
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 snake... if you have SOME training, it is not hard to watch and REWATCH, gleaning ideas about someones technique.
You have yet to answer my query on the value of any Titular assertion based on quantitive OR qualitative evidence, esp. regards to non-assisted human motion.
And for that matter, your attempts at insult and insinuation dont bear much fruit when in other posts you have called out others for doing so. :P
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 is this how you prove your point?.. or did you have a point.. i would further speculate that your only reason for being here, was to spread anti MA hate, that you are a troll and a hater ... prove me wrong, re-state your claim, so that we can begin this discussion anew.
Or will you continue attempts to drag our personal lives into this, such that you can degenerate any talk into a name calling slugfest.
Talk Sense.
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
Bruce lee was 33 when he died, same as jesus. Connection?
mattakadobbi 6 months ago
Bruce Lee was an Atheist. Chuck Norris HATES Atheists...why Chuck, why?
WhatGodNow 6 months ago
The first truly universal movie star. His charisma has yet to be matched by any other movie martial artist. Still the greatest.
tigduh09 6 months ago
פשוט חזק ! הלוואי ולי היה את הכוח של ברוס לי..
bvurth50 6 months ago
legitimately one of the greatest people that ever lived !!
g2ridah 6 months ago
Great job Jonbond!
TheJapxican 6 months ago
Bruce Lee, a legend, what esle ??
RenoManShow 6 months ago
he was waaaay too hot to dye why bruce why?!?!?! we miss you brucie! R.I.P
pennyferret77 7 months ago
1:59 mythics !
iamliui 7 months ago
what is this song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BamScot 7 months ago
What's the name of this song? It fits so perfectly.
CantSeeMeHomiePSN 7 months ago
@CantSeeMeHomiePSN The song is "Odessa" by Martin Tillman.
tjproto 6 months ago
he died when he was 33 just like jesus...
hotpixel888888 7 months ago 4
@hotpixel888888 there is a difrence because bruce was an atheist.. and so am i
pennyferret77 7 months ago
@hotpixel888888 No, he was 32, and don't compare Bruce Lee to a fictional character.
thevillageyid 6 months ago
the wrong people are dying... dammit... R.I.P. master bruce lee...
Rohclem1479 7 months ago 4
keep pressing 2:02...
bilal0347 7 months ago
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justbringit151515 7 months ago
he was a cocky person
meatpuppet76 8 months ago
@meatpuppet76 cocky, no, that's not it. But he was sharp, lightning quick, not only with his body, but with his mind, and with his words. He always give a wink with his words, and yes, some maye experience that as being cocky...
periesicsd 7 months ago
2:01 That guy just vanish off the face of the planet!
aahumada3915439154 8 months ago 23
whats the name of the song?^^
Great Movie ^^
sensen9900 8 months ago
@batmanong manny paxquia the legend of boxing???? wth have u been smokin
LASuperboy 8 months ago
listen up fellows. bruce lee is and always be the best. no one can compare. all this talk about mma ufc is shit.. he was much than that. he would have made a great hit man.
1288dallas 8 months ago 3
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"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is"
**Sugar Ray Leonard.
I know all the rednecks like snakefucker13 n' van dumb ass etc.. can not stand this quote.. why?? coz fuckers are RACIST REDNECK SHIT HEAD FUCK... no question.... huahahahahaha...............
phoniex1 9 months ago
snaketattoo13 is clearly a racist redneck coz
when Sugar Ray said
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is"
this maggot un-fucking-believably said it meant 'greatest actor'.. that's why. fucker 's a white trash dick.
Go suck fuck norris's dick some more..
phoniex1 9 months ago
@phoniex1 That's right where does Leonard say greatest fighter. In same interview he compares lee to other actors. Never fighters. I wonder why. Hahahaha.
So again why do experts agree lee would lose today. Or that lee was not even a fighter. Or that lee was not real. I love it. I really do.
Look up Lewis, Norris, Gracie, rutten, Mullins, lebell, Maloney, walker... Just to name a few.
Hahahahi await ur next rant of unrelated shit.
I love it
snaketattoo13 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 perhaps because Leonard:
1, had just stated that Lee was incomparable.
2. was at that point talking about Lee's acting ability.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@phoniex1 hey goof.. tell me why dan Inosanto said "lee was not a naturally gifted fighter.."
hahaha is inosanto bitter then as well..
Pick and chose fanboy ...
I love it
snaketattoo13 9 months ago
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@snaketattoo13 so what?? u stupid redneck fuck.. so what?? u racist hater.. u r a white trash n delusional fuck..
u racist fuck can not stand this quote. why? coz u r a loser n racist fuck..
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is"
**Sugar Ray Leonard.
phoniex1 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 they say those who are not naturally gifted fighters can beat naturally gifted people by training 10 times hader,its safe to say bruce trained 100 times harder
MrHCnerd 8 months ago 3
@snaketattoo13 please provide a reputable link to this quote.
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
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"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
phoniex1 9 months ago
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"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
phoniex1 9 months ago
gracias maestro, soy pichy sala, y muchisimas gracias a quien compila, algo entiende.
notenesverguenza 9 months ago
gracias maestro, soy pichy sala
notenesverguenza 9 months ago
It has been said that a kick from bruce lee is like being hit by a truck. i guess the closest any of us will ever come to a fight with bruce lee is to walk into oncoming traffic and hope a mac truck doesn't see us
sjconker64 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 i dont need to quote it, wheres your source of what your saying is true, you say he wasnt a great fighter becuase he wasnt in a tournament with other fighters, he only fought in movies, which isnt true, he was a street fighter, and he won his fights
RockoViper54 9 months ago
@RockoViper54 As I thought. U made excuses why u can't source anything. Lmfao.
U make claims lee did things. And when asked for sources so we can read it. U run with ur fuckingbtail between ur legs. Typical little bitch.
snaketattoo13 9 months ago
@RockoViper54 Lee never fought nor beat anyone good
snaketattoo13 9 months ago
@RockoViper54 Snaketattoo13 does not deal in facts, he deals in hyperbole and rants. Earlier i tried to disuade his mechanical trolling, along the lines of "burden of proof applies to both sides of an argument" , and yet his response was along the lines of "they are the ones making the claims, so they need to proove their claims!" Clearly and consistantly Snaketattoo13 has prooven that he is a logic fail.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend ok here we go.
There is the kid who is the best basket ball ever. I have seen him dribble the ball amaizing. He can slam dunk and free throw like no other. He is simply by far the best ever. He has never played in the NBA or against any of the best players but he is better then Jordan ever was.
Now I say he was better although he never played. Now big shot.. can u prove he was not. his name is Bob Smith. Fucking great player.
that is what fanboys do with lee
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 the solution to your problem is to adjust the metric of your measure, how do you Qualify an abstract such as "Best" in the MA world?It is easy to Quantify achievements,to create your Metric,but that would require all claimants/claims to Mirror those achievements used to Qualify any Titular Award.This metric does not work outside of the contemporary,many are those who might be the best,but for an unwillingness or inability to participate in such a metric.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend first off how can "many are those who might be the best." Nice try..attempt to sound smart kinda back fired didnt it. Sorry many can not be the best fool..
in any event even if someone may be the best but does not participate others can not draw a conclusion he is the best with the lack of any proof. Simply to much a leap of faith to draw that conclusion....
As in Lee's case. He did nothing so there fore one can not say he was great or the best.
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 many can be the TOP of their chosen LADDER system, ... team game championships aside,
Your second point mirrors the reasons i have given you why it is silly to claim someone is "the best".
Instead of letting me TROLLISHLY HAND YOUR ASS BACK TO YOU :P, go learn to be a real troll and RESEARCH YOUR CHOSEN TROLL :P
Many of your claims against Master Lee are not only ill-chosen, but also blatantly wrong, i am no fanboi :p.. and my 15 minutes of searching ....
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend has netted many various factoids, such as that Master Lee Did participate in organised matches,there are witnesses to his beating up various "Street punks"
and that there is video footage of him doing near on 100 punches(minor repetition but used various Strikes, not just straight punches) in under 11 seconds-his recorded strike speed from full rested arms at sides,is around 1/20th of a second. if you were a REAL TROLL,you'd be able to turn those facts to your side of this.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend but i am still waiting for u to prove Peewee herman was not a great fighter. Use what ever "metric" u choose. You can not prove he was a great fighter. Herman did notthing to suggest this. Nor can u prove bob smith was not the best ball player.
funny how u avoid this. Use ur simple logic........ burden of proof now rests with you.....
Still waiting....
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 show me were i claimed or even mentioned peewee herman, and the anecdote for your Bob Smith ...... is your anecdote, to which i have added my opinion.
It is nice to see you now using the term: "Great" over "greatest" or "best", as it is indeed much easier to determine "great"
great |grāt|
adjective
1 of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 are you attempting to make peewee herman analogous to Bruce Lee as an example of why Bruce Lee was not a Great MA?
I have never seen any evidence of Mr. Herman being good at anything, so no I will not attempt to prove otherwise, there is however ample evidence that Mr. Lee was both an exceptional Athelete, and a great MA.
i have never heard of Bob Smith and care not for Basketball, your point does illustrate the recklessness of labels though
Please try to remain On Topic snake
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend no, follow along, i am not saying Mr. Herman's situation is in anyway an example of lee's lack of fighting skill. My point is that u can not prove Mr. Herman is not a great fighter. However u suggest that there is some burden of proof on me to prove lee was not. Simply stated the burden of proof lies 100% on the person making the claim.
Again u can not source anyting showing lee was a great fighter. not a article, interview, video etc. so why was he?
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 you logic fail, includes but is not limited to the fact that You are indeed making a claim, yet seem to think that you are not.
You claim that Mr. Lee was Not a fighter, merely an actor, needs more then hearsay as justification.
You implore and demand that others provide proof, for arguments or claims, but when it comes to your own arguments or claims, you seem deliriously immune to your own conditionals.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend no it is you that r making an assumption lee was a great fighter based on nothing. I simply am saying u can not say he was with no eveidence to suggest it. Again I can make claims of anything with ur logic.
Once again something is not simply because u or anyone say it is without some sort of proof. If lee was a great fighter fine source what makes u come to that conclusion. Let me guess he did push ups.. yup greatest fighter ever. lmfao
snaketattoo13 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 I have never stated that Mr. Lee was the Best Fighter in the World, that was a reference that you introduced to this thread as a means to provoke response. My use of the word "Great" was along the lines of "its nice to see you use the word great, as that is a claim far easier to proove. great |grāt|
adjective
1 of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average : the article was of great interest | she showed great potential as an actor."
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend now i never said lee was not an athlete nor a martial artist now did i! Once again there is nothing u have ever seen that suggest lee was a great fighter.. nothing. and to imply that if i can not prove he was, there is some credibility that he was is rediculous.
Eg would u go to a doctor who claims he is a doctor although not recognized by the medical association? No want proof. no matter what fan of his says he is good at medicine.... sorry that is life.
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 you have previously claimed that he was nothing more then an actor, in your response to belasgirl6 you have even claimed that not only is Mr. Lee not a fighter but he is a con-man for having provoked belief in his fighting powers.
What part of Martial Artist don't you understand Snake?
As to what I have or havent seen, and any suggestion i have garnered from what i have seen, should that not be my own testimony .... and not yours?
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend wow u strive real hard to sound smart.
yes.. please give me ur "testimony" as to what made lee a great fighter.
By the way because one is a martial artist it does not make them a fighter by default.
snaketattoo13 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 please show me where i have said that Mr. Lee was a great fighter?... my argument remains the same: "You Mr. Snake, need to provide proof for Your claims as much as you demand them from others."
Mr. Lee Practiced Self Defence, which is merely the euphemism that all old school MA's used to describe their arts, perhaps you should read some Sun Tzu?
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 there is no striving on my part, as i have stated elsewhere on this thread, i am merely playing the devil's advocate to you strident claims.
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 "no, follow along,"
the discussion here was engendered when you demanded that people should provide proof of Mr. Lee's abilities. My counter to your demand is, provide proof of his lack of ability, to which you provide quotes.
Using other peoples Opinions does not create facts.
My Point therefore remains: that neither side of any discussion over Mr. Lee's abilities can escape this lack of fight footage or record.
TL:DR? opinion is not fact.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend again u fail to follow... Prove Pee Wee Herman was not a great fighter. Oops that is correct you cant prove he was not.
Now here i will prove Mike Tyson was a great boxer.... his record, his knock outs, the experts that speak of him, his opponents that talk of him, I have seen him knock out many good fighters, his knock out in street fights well documented.......
Wait im still waiting for u to source anything that showed lee was a great fighter.....
lalalala
snaketattoo13 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 ok lets "play" Your game shall we? Prove to me that Peewee Herman is not a great fighter Snake: similar to Mr. Lee there is no footage or documentary evidence to suggest he is, but by extension there is also no evidence against, this is called a conundrum, and is the basis for my continued counter argument to your claims that Mr. Lee was not a great fighter, and indeed was nothing but an actor.
I have made no claims to Mr. Lee being a great fighter, only a great technician.
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 actually you claimed he "was nothing more then an actor."
which part of your previous statement would you like explained to you?
One cannot be a Doctor without the studies or training, if the studies and training have been done, then what use is the bit of paper?
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend so becausae one studies to be a dr and does all the training they must automatically be a good dr.. wait that is as idiotic as saying lee was a good fighter just because he trained....... wait that is what u fanboys say.. no proof he could actually fight... he never fought anyone good.. he never beat anyone good....
your point is taken.. one is not good simply becuase they train or study or practice....
snaketattoo13 5 months ago
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@snaketattoo13 does introducing a degree of ability prove your point?
"One cannot be a Doctor without the studies or training, if the studies and training have been done, then what use is the bit of paper?"- note that i did not mention any ability of said Hypothetical Person - once again you revert to straw man trollisms.
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend so becausae one studies to be a dr and does all the training they must automatically be a good dr.. wait that is as idiotic as saying lee was a good fighter just because he trained....... wait that is what u fanboys say.. no proof he could actually fight... he never fought anyone good.. he never beat anyone good....
your point is taken.. one is not good simply becuase they train or study or practice....
snaketattoo13 5 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend topic lee was not a great fighter. nothing u have ever seen suggests he was. I am asking u what makes u believe he was a great fighter when no one said he was, he never fought anyone good, never beat anyone good, u cant rely on movies.. what makes him a great fighter...... i suggest u need to source where u come up with this fantasy because in the absence of evidence it is to much a leap of faith to say he was. and u cant say prove he was not.. see peewee herman.
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 let us return to Metrics eh? By what are you basing your judgments upon? Those are your metrics..... you say that X is not a great fighter..... well tell us why ...
Any claims that X was an actor and therefore cannot be a great fighter are moot, as one person can and usually does, have more then one skill set.
Once again... inform us of the justification behind your claims. And may i ask that you refrain from hyperbole and Hearsay, and provide any proofs you can muster.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend... further more, if no one has stated that Mr. Lee "was a great fighter", then there is no point to argue. We can retire the field of battle our wits sated with such ritual combat as we have enjoyed.
or will you insist on trollishly calling me out as a fanboi? =o
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 if no one said he was a great fighter, why your campaign to prove he wasnt? Could it be that you thought this an easy troll? To be precise: it was you who introduced the topic of whether or not he is a great fighter to this thread. It has been throughout this thread You, who has placed claims into peoples mouths, so to speak, in an effort to steer this thread towards areas you felt you could defame and "flame" "fanboi's". Your motives are less then transparent.
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend wow can u make more speculations? now ur tellingme why i proved lee was not a great fighter.. could it be.........
and again u demanded i prove.. i did..i at least provided something.. not to ur satisfaction of course.. but then again all u have done is ignore my request to tell me whu u think lee was a great fighter.. u banter, ur run in around avoiding, u demand but u dont source anything..
i will await ur next yammer session but i guarantee there will be no eveidence.
snaketattoo13 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 I never stated that i thought Mr. Lee was a "great fighter". What ever my personal opinions are, i have done my best to keep them out of this argument :)
As to calls for proof: please show me where exactly you provided anything concrete and grounded in reality, to prove your claims that Mr. Lee:
1. Was Not a great fighter,
2. nor even a fighter
3. or Martial artist.
So far all ive seen is misquotes, "expert opinion" from people who never met him, and hyperbole in general.
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend oh i believe lee was a martial artist.. i believe he was a great martial artist.. does not makehim a fighter by default... nor a great fighter..... to be called great at anything there must be something to draw that conclusion... with lee there simply is not...
snaketattoo13 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 , it is nice to see you finally cede towards Mr. Lee's favour. As to the last part of your comment, ... this is what i've been saying all along, however - as always such logic works both ways, you cannot simply doubt a claim based on lack of proof, you accept such claims at face value, reserving judgement when more proof (if ever) arrives. Doing otherwise is as bad as making rash and unfounded claims :P
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend again u need something.. anything in order to make an assumption like lee was a good or great fighter.. what causes one to draw that conclusion... he did push ups? he pushed a guy over a chair? Choreographed long beach sparring? Movies... No none of that... all i ask is what gives anyone the impression lee was a good or great fighter.. i cant find anything..... i can find experts saying he simply could not win or he was not a fighter at all.
snaketattoo13 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 context.
Our time is now, but to understand Mr Lee's Fame, you have to look at HIS TIME. So much of what MMA is today, grew out of an understanding of Asian Ma, fostered by his films.
None of which is to say that Mr. Lee was or wasn't a great fighter, I would like to believe that he would not like to be known as such :P, if simply to foster more peace on this planet :P
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
@snaketattoo13 you find it strange that so many "experts" would defame the single most well known MA of the 20th century?
Though it could be said that Lee was no stranger to publicity, i think you should reference your own comments about media shenanigans :P
Whether or not, anything said of or about him is true or not, todays' Media driven MA could do worse then seek proximity to Mr. Lee, even if they are critizing him to get so close.
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
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@snaketattoo13 :
"@MrPlasticfriend wow can u make more speculations? now ur tellingme why i proved lee was not a great fighter.. could it be........." ... reading comprehension fail?
You have proved nothing Snake..*facepalm*
You keep asking me to testify on comments that i never made ... this is exactly how you induced this entire argument previously... its called a straw man argument Snake... and in this case... it is very transparent.
troll on snakeypoo :P
MrPlasticfriend 5 months ago
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"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
phoniex1 9 months ago
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"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
phoniex1 9 months ago
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"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snaketattoo13's barking that 'GREATEST' in this quote was meant 'GREATEST ACTOR'
REALLY??
Fuhahahahaha..
UN-fucking-BELIVABLE!!
ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE SAID TO SHOW SNAKETATTOO13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT?
phoniex1 9 months ago
ok wanna know something about bruce lee, true fact, he is the only martial artist actor who when does a technique they need to slow it down to see it, he is faster then the camera, every other fight scene you watch has been sped up.
RockoViper54 9 months ago
@RockoViper54 wow slow down the camera? That is some amaizing feat. And u know this how? Where did u read this? Where did u see some director/Producer say this.
Wait u cant source it. U heard this rumor and u just run with it. Source ur lie! Sorry I mean source what u say.
I will wait till u tell me "its not my job to.."
I love it.
snaketattoo13 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 u r now rapidly becoming a delusional retarded redneck fuck head.. Shut the fuck up, u prejudiced low life shit headed fuck tard!!! Did I say u r a redneck?? that too, u fucking pathetic loser..
phoniex1 9 months ago 2
@phoniex1 that is right.. Ur losing composure again. u have no answer. Leonard never said lee was best fighter now did he? Or greatest fighter? Nope.
So u look back and u panick.. then u spew profanities at people cause u cant handle being wrong.
I love it
snaketattoo13 9 months ago
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@snaketattoo13 u r now rapidly becoming a delusional retarded redneck fuck head.. Shut the fuck up, u prejudiced low life shit headed fuck tard!!! Did I say u r a redneck?? that too, u fucking pathetic loser..
phoniex1 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 panic doesn't have a K
RiseOfThePro 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 read your own posts snake, you seem to like the profanity yourself :P... and the name calling...
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 fairly sure that the slowing down of the film for playback is a well documented factoid, clearly stated in many of the Documentaries on this Wonderful and gifted Martial artist.
BTW, snaketattoo13, do you ONLY troll this one video, or do you grasp for more meaning in your life then the average 13y'old troll these days? ... and yes.. i just called you out as a troll... :P deal with it :)
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend ur fairly certain that slowing down the film is well documented.. huh.. really? but wait this "well documented" factoid just is not documented like.......ANYWHERE... imagine that. you would think one producer/director somewhere would have spoken about it. but not one.. every.. wtf?
Oh I get it ur a fanboy. U just spout the words "well documented" and "factoid". but we can clearly serch and find UR FULL OF SHIT!
i LOVE IT
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 go down to your local video store,and look for any of the documentaries of Bruce Lee's life, within many you will find the words of those that worked with him,on the set,or in the editor's box that will testify against your(trolling)doubts.Bruce's fight scenes were usually shot in an slightly higher FPS,which in his era i am led to believe was about a 24fps-32fps shift.
wikipedia Bruce_Lee <-- have a read mate, cant troll on something you know nothing about.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend well u read the frame rate.. shit that solves everything.. just source where u "read" it. Clearly if you "read" it. we can all go an read it to settle this..
but fuck me wait.. u wont source shit cause ur full of shit...
And by the way dont use wikipedia for any source. Linda Lee and her daughter r the source for most of the lies.. hardly biased!
Still waiting for u to prove herman not best and Smith..
lalala
still waiting..
oh what about that source for film
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 you cannot post if your post contains web addresses....so ugh... you win on that one ...:)... troll :P
as above.. and do try to keep up with me.... i have dealt with your silly herman idea (?) and as far as your Smith anecdote, i have posted as well :).. i leave it to you to judge his abilities as i have never seen him play :P
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@MrPlasticfriend as i said u can not prove Peewee herman was not a great fighter. U demand I prove lee was not saying the burden of proof is both sides. I say ur full of shit. The burden of proof rests with the person who makes a claim someone is the best or great at something. If they make the claim they need to prove how they came to this conclusion and not say "he is great and u cant prove he was not"
So again I wait for u to prove Herman is not a great fighter.
snaketattoo13 6 months ago
@snaketattoo13 the open edit system of wikipedia, esp. on frequented articles of well known and documented persons, whilst open to abuse, is self rectifying.
I find it amusing at best that your calls for proof apparently do not apply to your own assertions.
You, I and everyone who tracks this exchange, know that I have given my answers to your persistent calls for answers to your mostly off topic queries.
Instead of asking me to gather the facts for you, why don't you research them yourself?
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
@RockoViper54 , prior to Lee there was not much call to increase frame rates, many Ma actors were chinese opera, as can be seen by the end fight in "Big Boss".
Post Lee, we now see it quite often, to the point where non-MA actors will be shot in slow motion to make them look fast (bullet time) or shot at lower frame rates to chop up their movements - giving them the appearance of being faster then they actually were, during the shoot.
MrPlasticfriend 6 months ago
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Food for thought for a redneck maggot snakefucker13..
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard
snakefucker13's barking that 'GREATEST in this quote was meant to be 'GREATEST ACTOR'
ANY MORE PROOF NEEDED TO SHOW SNAKEFUCKER13 IS A REDNECK MAGGOT??
phoniex1 9 months ago
Here is the quote from Sugar Ray Leonard.
"BRUCE LEE WAS DEADLY, BRUCE LEE HAD SUCH ABILITY TO OUTPERFORM ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE NO MATTER HOW STRONG, BRUCE LEE ALWAYS HAD A WAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN REACH THAT LEVEL.... In a dictionary, you say GREATEST you say BRUCE LEE and that's the way it is" ** Sugar Ray Leonard..
snakefucker13, I know u can not stand this quote, why? cuz u r a redneck, racist, bigot, cock sucker, mother fucker white trash, prejudiced maggot, shit head ass hole
phoniex1 9 months ago
@phoniex1 I don't mind that quote. Can u show me where Leonard says lee was greatest fighter. Little man? Greates martial art actor yes. Watch video who does he compare lee to. Right other actors. No real fighters.
I love it.
snaketattoo13 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 Bruce Lee was a martial artist and a street fighter before he got into movies,there are countless accounts of Bruce answering challenges on the street,on set of his movies in his backyard even,but no matter what we tell you ,you have already dismissed Bruce's fighting ability in advance...you're entitled to your opinion,even though you are wrong.
boleplissken 9 months ago
@boleplissken lee was a child actor long before he did martial arts. He was a dancer. His own brother admitted lee was a "cha cha dancer" and not a fighter. What do you think that meant!
His friend and world champ Joe Lewis said "lee was not a fighter. A great teacher but not a fighter."
Shall i go on or will u bury ur head in the sand?
snaketattoo13 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 enjoy your ignorance.
boleplissken 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 If you really believe what you're saying,why are you watching Bruce Lee's videos? what do you care what someone thinks about Bruce? If you know anything about Bruce,you surely know that the reach of his influence goes way beyond martial arts...because if it didn't... he would be just another fighter...but he is much more.
boleplissken 9 months ago
@boleplissken I never said lee was not influential. He is one of the most influential martial artists ever. He was just not a fighter. Nothing anyone has ever seen proved he was a great fighter. I'm just spreading the truth.
snaketattoo13 9 months ago
@snaketattoo13 Horseshit!!!!
MrPepito813 9 months ago