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  • LONG LIVE RELIGIOUS DEBATES ON YOUTUBE!!!!!!!!

  • Also, Aaron, how the hell you going to judge me on my life when you don't fucking know me. You don't know how I walk in life you just see words I'm typing on the internet. Bitch you bring shame to your mama.

  • personally though... would everyone please be seated and enjoy the most amazing music ever created!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is all... good day gents

  • "People like you keep me entertained while I work. Now run along little one." You call sitting on youtube trolling "work"? LOL Bitch I could have had a V8!LOL

  • @dadreamzworld Used to be an athiest now converted to certain christian beliefs and i'd jus like to add everyone is entitled to their own opinions... further more God (probably) wouldn't appreciate you insulting his existance by cussing a non believer up one side an down the other... maybe you should try to rationalize with this person by explaining why you believe an maybe he will too or maybe he wont, its called free will... but if you do truly believe why the horrible name calling?

  • @AaronRealImageFilms I never asked you what use to believe in nor did I ask you your opinion on what I was saying to him. First off I don't care if you never believes. When I deal with atheist like him who tries to insult me for my beliefs he loose all my respect there. As far as me dealing with God on what I said, I have God in my life and He is the one who corrects me not someone who sits on a toilet and shits like I do. With all due respect and excuse my french, mind your fucking business.

  • @recalibration You can't beat anyone into submisssion, if thats the case why am I an atheist like your dumb ass, sunds like a loser if you ask me. OH just because I don't use big words in my comments I can't construct a lucid thought, you must think I'm the whore who had you, shes the bitch suffering from that bullshit. She was manipulated into having your piece of shit ass. Tell that grade school hoe to run it right alone bitch.

  • @dadreamzworld Jesus walked among the sinners an helped them, he never criticized them for their wrong doings he just helped them..... in otherwords WWJD lol read your bible man, seriously...

  • @AaronRealImageFilms Ok key word is Jesus, and he walked along sinners not the pharisees and scribes which this idiot represent. When did I critcize anyone for doing wrong? Comprehend my comments first and why don't you read your bible seriously because I know I know it a lot more than you and could give a fuck about a bitch judging me about what I say to a loose hoe on the internet who I don't have to deal with on a daily.

  • @dadreamzworld "could give a fuck about a bitch judging me about what I say to a loose hoe" its your choice of words that gives away your life style, Hypocrisy at its finest....

  • @AaronRealImageFilms And will say it again, and don't give a fuck about a bitch judging me you know nothing about my life style at all, so why would I look stupid like your dumb ass to go back and forward with you about my life style. All you know is how I act online that it and that all. Moving right along, worry about your fucking self and how your lifestyle is. I don't owe you anything but respect, but when you step out of line I will be there to put you back with my choice of words.

  • Lastly, if you are an atheist, and you've never prayed to God or never tried to speak to Him and your thoughts of trying to speak to God are stupid then there is no way you can tell me anything. I know God is real from experience so you might as well go tell someone else about your idealistic or notional idea. Because when you are a know it all and no one can tell you anything you can put me in your shoes as well. #TRUST

  • Reminds me of a type of song Marilyn Manson would do, thumbs up if anyone agrees.

  • @AErimentha1000

    "But I'm not a slave to a god

    That doesn't exist

    But I'm not a slave to a world

    That doesn't give a shit" -- The Fight Song, Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death), 2001, Marilyn Manson

    Yeah, a little bit. XD

  • @Avatra1

    Another goddamn comment marked spam. Seems there were quite a few coward working their way through here.

  • @recalibration

    Yep. it's most likely dadreamzworld works in progress, he's a nutter.

  • @Avatra1

    Motherfuckers downvoted your comment. Seems some people can't take it when facts don't fit their myopic little fantasies.

  • @recalibration

    Yeah, it's sad. It's the only way they know how to deal with reality.

  • @dadreamzworld

    The perceived complexity of a system does not imply divinity. That would be the fallacy of argumentum ad divintas.

  • @recalibration WTF r u talking about?

  • @dadreamzworld

    Use the "View all Comments" & then "Sort by thread (beta)".

  • @recalibration no thank you, its not that serious.

  • @dadreamzworld

    Well, if you say so. Have a good day.

  • @recalibration I rather know so, and did.

  • @dadreamzworld

    Good to know that's how feel about proselytizing.

  • @recalibration Gurl, get a life, I could give a damn about you and what you do with your life you and the rest of the world for that matters. I don't belong to a "religion" to proselytize anyone. Just because I believe in God and you don't, that doesn't make you smarter or better especially trying to impress someone with your big words. You remind me of a very tight thong like up in the ass.

  • @dadreamzworld

    I'm sorry that you don't have more than a grade school vocabulary. Here, let me help:

    faith

    Noun:

    1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

    2. Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

    reality

    Noun:

    1. The world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them: "he refuses to face reality".

  • @recalibration Sweetie, those words are man made. I can make up a word and put a meaning behind it for instance,

    Recalibration

    Noun:

    1. Someone who trolls on a website because either they are fat or they have no life.

    2. Dispicable, ignorant, troll, anything that falls out of an animals ass

    I've faced reality, especially when a fool tries to tell me how something exist when they don't have the answers themselves. Wonderin y do it bothers fools that some1 choose 2 believe in God?

  • @dadreamzworld

    Dawww... look @ you, typing that as if your ad hominem & willful ignorance was some great insight. It's almost as if you're trying to say your IQ breaks triple digits. So precious.

    Unlike you, I don't fear living a world that doesn't have an answer to every question; nor do I need to accept any superstitious nonsense because I don't need a security blanket.

    [1/3]

  • @dadreamzworld

    I can build sites like YouTube, Facebook or even a Youtube/Facebook hybrid within 90 days & I freelance as an IT consultant. I charge you can't even tell me how subatomic particles allow you to interact on this global telecom network, yet you'd assert you "know" a god exists?

    [2/3]

  • @dadreamzworld

    Here's a *radical* idea you might of missed: instead of trying to use circular reasoning, shifting the burden of proof, argumentum ad divintas, argumentum ad invincible & rampant ad hominems here on Hersey, try NIN's Happiness In Slavery [ watch?v=4RWTV1iL0bw ]. It seems be in line w/ your mental acuity.

    Run along little one.

    [3/3]

  • @recalibration Take your "Here's a *radical* bullshit and cry to the whore who had you. I don't give a fuck what you can build you can't build worlds nor are you able to create anything that hasn't already. You think you the only one who can build websites?LOL Bitch take your overly edcuated on and make some money instead of being a fucking troll trying to tell someone God doesn't exist when you don't exist. I'm sure the whore who shitted you out is truly proud.

  • @dadreamzworld

    "Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes." -- I. Asimov

  • @recalibration When was the bible written? Uneducated ones? You think that just because you can open a dictionary and find big words to substitute them for small words make you educated, how fucking laughable. You are nothing more than basically an ant, who doesn't know how an apple or an orange is formed but your education you have makes you think you know what you are talking about when you are basically a fool. Fucking buffoon if you ask me. Dumbass what language was the bible written in?

  • @dadreamzworld

    "slave screams thinks he has something to say" -- Happiness In Slavery, NIN

    People like you keep me entertained while I work. Now run along little one.

  • @recalibration and man dont be so sure theres not something there, might not be the biblical version of the Lord mainly because it was written by man himself, but just because you cant prove it exists doesnt mean it couldnt be real... an trust me i've been in those shoes an i never thought id change back but i did an not to the southern baptist version i was raised as, but more of a free thinker and believer...hard to explain but being a free thinker, you should think about it...

  • @AaronRealImageFilms

    Don't proselytize; prove.

  • @recalibration thats my point, i cant prove it an neither can dadreamzworld but i can say its hard to believe alot in the bible, i still think moses took a chisel with him to carve the ten commandments but thats not to say theres absolutely no higher power cause how would you explain our very existance? not trying to be threatening honestly interested in your opinions... like i said i was there an never found my answer other than a higher power.

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  • @recalibration and God help him cause man... he brings shame to him if he is watching...

  • @AaronRealImageFilms

    Sorry; I don't quite follow. Could you clarify? TIA.

  • @recalibration how do you think we arrived here? i never believed that time just started on its own and there was a huge explosion that made galaxies an solar systems and (half ass) intelligent life without anything to create it. but ive also been baffled by the thought of, if there is a God then how did he arrive where ever he is... cause wouldnt something have had to create him? or did he just appear? and why did he feel the need to create us in the first place if he is God?

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  • @AaronRealImageFilms

    Okay, lemme give you a little nudge: there is a clear & distinct division of science between the study of the universe (cosmology), creation of life fr non-organic matter (abiogensis), how different creatures change(d) over the passage of time (evolution). While yes, they're ultimately interconnected, I can just as easily say you & I are interconnected because we share the same plane of existence (I hope!)... I hope that helps a little.

    (3/3: ARIF-00)

  • @AaronRealImageFilms

    "if there is a God then how did he arrive where ever he is... cause wouldnt something have had to create him?"

    This comes up quite frequently. You'll see that ea. side invokes it. The term is known as "moving the goal posts" if crude, or similar to First/Prime Cause or Action in other circles. It's pointless because it just gets recursive.

    (1/3: ARIF-00)

  • @recalibration there are so many questions with no answers that its hard to even understand any of it. but id appreciate your input cause ive never been able to find a solid proof i have just put faith in him blindly hoping he is there listening and creating a place for me when i leave this messed up place were in...

  • @AaronRealImageFilms

    That's a dangerous position sir. As we explored in comment 2/3: ARIF-00, until we can articulate a logical answer, free of _any_ fallacy, I charge it is, @ best, premature, @ worst, outright manipulation.

    Even if we're wrong about the the facts of our current science/unable to answer (Every. Single. Question.), that does _not_ permit argumentum ad divintas. It just means we still need to investigate.

    (1/2: ARIF-01)

  • @AaronRealImageFilms

    "[...] id appreciate your input cause ive never been able to find a solid proof [...]"

    Cheers.

    Come & observe the open challenge (based on that very question) I have w/ GuitarGage870 @ "1. Evolution vs. Creationism: Listen to the Scientists." ( watch?v=bV4_lVTVa6k ). As it currently is, the first set of terms are on page 3, the second are still on page one. Let's see if he accepts.

    (2/2: ARIF-01)

  • @recalibration ( Bill Hicks Its just a ride )

    this is the only thing that ever truly made since to me and i believe everyone should hear this comics message... its pretty amazing.

  • @Blade3327

    "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- I. Asimov

    The superstitious deserve no quarter in this metaphysical war.

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  • @EbonfrothCovers

    Stay in school.

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  • @recalibration I don't know what you're talking about, it doesn't look like I've commented on this video. Btw, I'm Atheist.

  • @recalibration Nvm, I found it.

    The song is pretty stupid, so I still agree with myself. An Atheist has complete certainty there is not a god, otherwise, by definition, you are Agnostic or Agnostic Atheist. That's not a difficult concept.

    Anyway, I'm done here, no pride in arguing with idiots.

  • @superearthbender

    Hold on cowboy; I know I can come across as abrasive, but I'll happily apologise if you think I've called you an idiot. I'll edit it accordingly.

    My comment was founded on the grounds your logic was unsound.

  • @superearthbender

    The key word is "if".

    I'd be very surprised if (c wut I did thar?) that's enough grounds to consider Reznor as validating Christianity.

    Also, the title "heresy" is more than just a little clue, is it not ;-)

  • @superearthbender

    & regarding my position: I'd invite you to take a quick scan through the comments on this vid. I think you'd enjoy them.

    Be well.

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  • @superearthbender

    Heh, I didn't realize you didn't care for answers to the questions you asked. My mistake.

    & I comment on vids to keep myself entertained whilst I work. Shine on, you crazy diamond. ;-)

  • @recalibration I never asked you anything. So far that's the 3rd time you've severely misunderstood my comments. No wonder your arguments go on for so long.

  • @superearthbender Its because he has no life, he stays on the computer harrassing ppl for that very reason.

  • @dadreamzworld

    & yet, you're a coward that hides behind false proselytizing.

    I run dual 22" monitors & keep YT open so I can entertain myself as I work. You drone of dogma; what's your excuse?

  • @recalibration I don't remember asking you what you do to stay on youtube, I'm not the youtube freak here. As far as proselytizing is concern, am I proselytizing you? Hell no. Exactly what is wrong with trying to get someone to know God is real instead of being an idiot who is lead to believe God isn't real because of what ppl call "religion" when God never said he was a religion you idiot. Get a fucking life.

  • @yankeessuck309

    Bullshit.

    "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58, KJV

    Have you fucking even _read_ the Scriptures?

  • What is this tretury?!?!? You shall all burn in hell...

    

  • Judaism and Catholicism was dream't up by a bunch of Genocidal Pedophiles !!

  • Ya know, call it a strange thought, but I have a weird idea that Trent Reznor might not be a Christian. o_0

  • RON PAUL 2012

  • Whatever occurs after my passing, I will deal with it then. If any religion is right, I will see it so on the other side. I only believe in what I can see with my own eyes and nothing more at this point!!!

  • on a different note, nin is one of the bands that is connected to my current embrace of religion. Im not 'baptized' or anything, i just am ok with people being religious freaks, and would pray to god if i was like dying or something, as an abstract self-help avenue.

  • nine..nice..song,want nin back!!

  • RON PAUL 2012

  • Really powerfull song. Reminds me of Pink Floyd for some reason.

  • damn all these paragraphs. TL;DR

    FIGHTING RELIGION ON THE INTERNET - SO BRAVE

  • @OmnisOrtus

    I totally agree. To me pain and disappointment are parts of life from which i can learn and grow, next to beauty and love, and death included. The point i tried to make is to think for ourselves. To do own thinking and not to walk blindly the lines of the majority, that's gone wrong several times in human history. And fear.....it's just a warning for a (person's identity / reality related) unusual a/o uncomfortable situation, not to be captured by the wounds of doubt.

  • religion is a comforting outlet built because reality is scary, but ironically religion mongers hatred and complience through the use of fear. There is nothing to fear in chaos, death is not a deadline for you judgement and punishment if you fail to comply but a point of change that is another beautiful aspect of life. I dont know why we're here but i can apriciate the beauty of life without an establishment built out of fear.

  • I'm not that much of a believer, yet it's a shame that lots o' people so easily damn Christianity and God while belief is rising in new gods like materialism, commercialism and media.

    Allthough i love NIN since (allmost) the beginning, 1990, i do not agree with this song.

    Because the real reason behind all is that wé close eyes, eager to follow those who found doors to get in and mess,

    with our minds.

    So infact i dó agree, but i think religion is not to blame. We let 'them' in ourselves.

  • @Ullyvean

    Accepting someone's belief purely w/ out falsifiability is naive & makes you susceptible to manipulation.

  • I was in High School when this album came out, Nine Inch Nails an Marilyn Manson were my 2 favorite bands.

    Nice throw back to the 90's.

  • ps........NO GOD!!!! none, zero. doesn't exist, never has.....the only Plan for you in this world is the one you make for yourself.....I'm sure the Ancient Greeks thought their Gods were real too....now we just call them myths....I wonder what people will call all the modern Organized Religions in a thousand years......

  • end of discussion ..... there is NO GOD.....the nails in the name has nothing to do with Jesus.....its a song and its open to interpretation .....and the dude who thinks he knows about Niche.....go back to school, you have a lot more to read.....

  • I hate that I can relate to the message.

  • ah, high school.

  • Lately, I'd like a symbol to commemorate my probabilistic atheism. One idea is to get an upside-down [Xtian] cross, for a necklace, with the words "NO SOLICITING" engraved upon it. My soul, whatever that may be, is no longer for sale.

  • @osporilla - That's a fucking good idea. May have to steal it if I ever decide to be ok with wearing something around my neck :P

  • i feel that this song is much more complicated than just saying religion is bull. It makes more sense that it's about consumerism. well whatever it's a pretty damn good song.

  • Brilliant song.

  • I think its funny that people has to argue about religion its just a song trent reznor could be islamic for all i care he sings about this stuff to make money how nin other songs about christian it appeals to christians he athiestic songs appeal to atheist ok u guys dont have to take a song seriously and have a fucking debate over it shut the fuck up and listen to the music

  • Yeah! their 1990 song 'Sin' is also totally christian :P

  • all im gonna say is this is my favorite song by nin and i think (personal opinion) that its trent reznor being confused and angered by christianity

  • maybe this song is anti-religion, but remember the Downward Spiral is an album about the dissent of a man into insanity... perhaps atheism is a bad thing? i dunno...

  • @dupersloby The Downward Spiral isn't a descent into insanity, it's more like a hedonistic journey into the abyss. The song is definitely about rejecting religion, but I don't think we're supposed to derive a moral message from it, because the whole point of the album is that everything is meaningless and that morality is an illusion.

  • @SpaceCelt I agree were not supposed to interpret a moral message, but the alignment of atheism with such a negative, nihilistic outlook still holds true. maybe that's NIN's style. but its art, not an invitation to bash religion and spread negativity. Mr. Reznor is describing his feelings, an adolescent phase probably, but these goddamn atheists take that shit too far. bunch of fuckin' punks if you ask me.

  • @dupersloby Oh, yeah totally. It's part of the story, not an anti-religious tirade. I think Trent is too good an artist to be that blunt. The song isn't forcing a message, it's expounding an existential predicament that comes with a rejection of religion (hence the Nietzsche reference). And please don't think all atheists are nihilists and supercilious assholes. Plenty of atheists are embarrassed by Dawkins et al. We're lovely people, really.

  • @SpaceCelt Uh, die.

  • @JonathanSchwetz Sorry... who are you again?

  • @dupersloby

    "Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes." -- I. Asimov

  • WTF is there to argue or discuss about the meaning/lyrics?? It couldn't really be more apparent........

  • im not dead....

  • I wrote those infamous words on a bathroom stall in my college... Went back a week later and found the entire stall covered with both extremes in reaction to the song!!

  • 悲しみと、怒りの叫びが聞こえる。

  • In an interview, Trent stated that it was actually about AIDS, and how he had felt cheated because he had become largely sexually active at the time. Words like "He made a virus that would kill off all the swine" drive that point home. Still, Trent's affinity against organized religion is still pretty apparent, what with songs like "Pilgrimage" and all...

  • @LoneSword01 , what with.

  • @LoneSword01 Exactly. He was angry because the fundies claimed that HIV/AIDS is God's punishment for "the sexually immoral" and drug addicts.

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  • there never were gods just a tool by the elite to control the struggling massess that would piggy back ride on the ship of hope called god, yahweh,allah,vishnu,horus,mith­ras, thor, apollo. just wishful thinking in a moment of need,desperation,guilt etc. thank dog for hitchens dawkins harris darwin and stephen hawkin, the real pioneers of free thought,unlike those that are prisoners of dogma.

  • @rOcKeRzAdDiCk Indeed it did. My apologies. :)

  • I thought this song was mean spirited the first time I heard it, but it's just so appropriate.

    Right now, a kitten is being tortured. Right now, some woman is getting raped by her father in a rape dungeon. God is either a deist god, or he is a dick. Or he doesn't exist.

  • Haha, I'd love to see Nietzsche rockin' out to this tune!

  • actually i think i'll take Reznor's own words to what this song means... just Google NIN wiki look for downward spiral there is an interview with Reznor telling us what he was thinking when he wrote it.....i love wiki

  • @rOcKeRzAdDiCk callin' bullshit, neither band had put out a record yet in '89.

  • @christhomasmusic I'm fairly certain Pretty Hate Machine came out in '89. I too have a been a fan since then.

  • Herpderp

  • god is Dead. The cause, Suffocation from Cock Inhalation on 5/22/2011. Yes, it was I who inadvertently killed the Cock Hungry Bastard. I will not apologize, it was an accident. As for the believers, if you think I intentionally killed your god, then Yes I killed the Vindictive, Sadistic, Spiteful, Chastising P.O.S. by Jamming My Cock down his Throat. Have a Great Day ,.!.._(o.O__..!.,

  • @JesusFknChrist666 Oh, Jesus. Lmao.

  • Not really sure how anyone can interpret this as anything other than an atheist song. Seems to me that people are just trying to justify enjoying this song with whatever ridiculousness they believe. But really, what the fuck do I know? I didn't write it.

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  • PUT YOUR BELIEFS ASIDE, ENJOY THE BEAT.

  • @yasminleveau But Trent integrates beliefs and feelings to the sounds that come out of each song. I say don't put beliefs aside, this ain't no modern day techno nonsense. Enjoy the beat with anger!

  • God is dead. LONG LIVE CHAOS!!

  • @TheAvatrolOfficial RE: "No, it actually means that the idea of Christianity is bull****, and was made up and created by HUMAN BEINGS to control other human beings..."

    And I bet your next thought is that Nine Inch Nails is the size of the nails in Jesus' hands, or the size of coffin nails, when, actually, it means nothing, it means so much nothing that Trent named his label after nothing. <- A NIN fan since 1989, 8th grade, when NIN and TooL saved me from big hair bands :)

  • @rOcKeRzAdDiCk I heard Nine Inch Nails was just a hardcore tough sounding industrial name that Trent and Al Jourgensen thought up the first time they were working together back in 1989 and the whole "nails in jesus wrists" thing was mostly concocted by his fans.

  • @rOcKeRzAdDiCk  i do agree

  • @rOcKeRzAdDiCk your crazy the NOTHING in reznors label is based off Frederick niche your an idiot the Nine inch nail does stand for the nails used in the so called crucifixion of the jew know as Jesus anyway have fun with that

  • @rOcKeRzAdDiCk You're both right, in ways... Trent Reznor does in fact hate Christianity.

  • god can suck my !!!!

  • Hell yeah.

  • It means absolutely nothing other than to tick people off who let themselves get ticked off and fuel album sales.

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  • Trololol, Trololololo, And Trolololo, About religion, and Trolololo, To this song, because people are Trololololing about its message, which is Trolololol, Bullshit.

  • everyone should listen to closer again before ya make these boast and statement about what trent mean,.only he knows,..but if ya follow NIN enough youde know almost all these post are wrong!

  • GOD IS DEAD AND NO ONE CARES...EXACTLY. THERE HAS BEEN NO BIGGER LIE COMMITTED THAN THAT OF ORGANIZED RELGION...IT IS UTTER BULLSHIT.

  • ehh ok

  • "Religion easily has the biggest bullshit-story ever told." - George Carlin.

  • @texasB666 so edgy bro

  • @texasB666 Why is that quote even worth mentioning? It's something every atheist has said.

  • FUCK THE DUMB SHIT! LISTEN TO THE DAMN SONG

    

  • theres a church 2 blocks from after this song my dick is like hard no viagra needed i feel like voicing my opinion

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  • honey badger doesn't give a shit!

  • I don't understand why anyone would ,miss inturpret this song, the lyrics say it all, just listen

  • 31 people are religious and took this song WAY too seriously.

  • There's no "satan" and neither is there a god.

  • hail satan 666

  • im pagan christians suck they raped and killed all of us from who hail from europe and then we believe in there gods ?!?!?!? fuck that shit pagan untill my last breath the religion of our ancestors

  • so many lolz around here lmao you people make me laugh =] Feel the love around here. Aren't Christians suppose to be docile loving people like Jesus Chirst? Even in the face of all hell to be calm and show nothing but love? I like Christ I don't like the Christians. They give us a bad name.

  • religion is for people who cannot think for themselves and choose to ignore their surroundings.

  • god didn't exist in the 1st place

  • jesus loves NIN

  • keep ur condolences freak...

    i want nothing from you people...go pray on some 1 else...