Wow!! Did Bush hate Jews? Exterminate?I though he was pro-Zionist? I figured Saddam was liken to Hitler. Saddam's role models were Stalin and Hitler;Stalin's purge to obtain power as Saddam did and his hatred for Jews as he hung them in Baghdad during early 1970's and excluding Jewish scientist for his nuclear program aided by France. Saddam's favorite movie was Godfather, like he was head of Al Bu Nasir tribe and eliminated all his oppositions like mobsters do and like Hitler did for NAZIs.
@pudgenet Interesting. Interpretation and perception is everything. I don't know whether kids are learning. You should know. You seem to be very intelligent.
@HDNighster1 You started out arguing against the notions expressed in the song, with the implied assumption that I shared those views. If you were going to start over, is there anything you would change?
niggah, until george bush deliberately kills 20 million people because of ethnicity and starts a world war that ravages the western world, he doesnt deserve to be compared to hitler.
@pyramidheadkitten9: I don't know where you been but he has killed 20 million people because of ethnicity except he didnt do it in the western world he did it in the eastern world, so he deserves to be compared to hitler more than anyone... george bush is s tyrant to say anything else is ignorance.
@Eric21879 Hitler still killed more people than George Bush Jr so wrong there. It would equal to all countries like Britain for example killed more people than the Nazis. But to say Bush Jr killed more people than the Hitler is stupid. Bush isn't a tyrant btw, he did many things to protect us from terrorist attacks.
Now they try to adapt their rhetoric "Bush was a liberal", but at the time they attacked all critics of him. I think it's pretty hypocritical, I think people should "question with boldness".
Remember when dissent against the sitting president was treason? and it was bad to compare them to Hitler? And most of the same people protesting Obama now mocked and attacked people who stood up against Bush? That was just 3 years ago. Now they claim to be over him like they never embraced Bush in the first place, but I wish they would come with more credibility. When you attack people who criticize the pres for 8 years, karma catches up to you. The hunter becomes the hunted.
Very good satire. I think its funny how people are worried about big brother/ As we all know our government would NEVER use Big brother devices agaist it's own people...NEVER!
I just wonder what people will do after Bush leaves office. If Obama screws up and gets us attacked again, I bet those same lonely people will complain it's Bushes doings.
I really think those who compare Bush to Hitler are stupid ignorant losers. But that's what you get online.. mostly.
This song is obviously sarcastic. Bush is not my favorite guy, but he's not as bad as most people say he is. He's no Hitler. Hitler didn't have failed policies.
LMAO! and he is sending the secret service after you now! great song...hillarious! He is being sarcastic...This song is making fun a democrats and the liberal media
I'm afraid our next president will be the same old stuff in a new package. You know the national crisis routine then slip through legislation to further rob us of our constitutional rights.
Cute song, you got talent. Bush is a terrible president in my opinion and know the point you're making and even if we disagree I love any country that allows so much back and forth converstaion.
Yep. But not very many people seem to understand sarcasm. It almost always has the opposite effect than was meant. This song is making fun of the Left who are obsessed with calling Bush all sorts of terrible things.
there are freedoms but ppl push them to the limit until eventually they have to get rid of it. there are alot of bad thing that bish has done. well more than alot but but there are some things that arent his fault
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Hitler was Hitler before he became the Fuhrer. Bush doesn't have to kill millions on US soil to be a Hitler - we already had the genocide of Natives and slavery. Now, the terror of US capitalism extends around the globe - Bush1-Clinton-Bush2 have killed 2 million Iraqis since 1991, displacing another 4 million. Madeline Albright said of 500,000 dead Iraqi children... "it was worth it." And that's just one country. It will be too late to state the obvious when we're in concentration camps.
Oh shit when I used to bartend as an occupation through school I was referred to as "Little Hitler" when I shut someone off. Apparently their vomitus did not offend them.
By no definition of "recession" is this true. If we are in a recession -- by the most common definition, we absolutely are not
That's what you said about us not being in a recession. One that has been building for years. We had problems in the past few years, 2001 and off and on later come to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a pure socialist, I just don't believe Europe and Canada have these strong fascist tendencies as you say. However, I see the poverty even in our own nation and know something better can be done by our leaders. We already help other nations, but not our own. When I suggested taxing the top of the pyramid, you called it evil, yet is it not evil to turn away from the suffering of your fellow man? Doesn't the government have a responsibility to fix the slums of its own
i think that we should take the help from other countries that we give, and just keep it here. do the fair tax. low tax on poor and higher tax on wealthy.
I would agree on the fair tax, but not so much on taking away from other countries. We have a responsibility to repair damages done by insurgents in Iraq and relocate the refugees during the refugee crisis. Humanitarian aid should be a human duty, no matter who does it. Who knows, there may come a day when we need it. Look at Myanmar for example, the junta are the ones responsible for all the pain there. Darfur, China, North Korea, etc
How can many people do something, when people hardly ever hire people off the streets? Close to half of the homeless in our nation are employed, and yet are still homeless.
It has everything to do with government. If the government can't repair its own cities, as we charge other nations to do, then they have failed their duty. I suppose New Orleans wasn't their job either? Same goes for any slum that's filled with criminals, or is a slum becuase of neglect.
The government has more power to do something, education for example, resources that you and I do not have.
Amednment 10 says the states have that responsibility, yes, but should the state fail its job and become corrupt, is it not the federal government's job to fix the problem? This is exactly why FEMA fucked up. So, the government has virtually no responsiblity other than to take taxes. Sounds like a gangster to me if they don't do shit.
"So, the government has virtually no responsiblity other than to take taxes."
See Article I, Section 8. The fed govt has many powers. "Social security" and "fixing cities" are not among them. The powers listed fall into three categories: raising money/paying debt, general welfare, and common defense.
"Besides, I never said it was just the federal level's responsiblity"
That was the context of the discussion, as we were discussing the nation and national issues (and, as you mentioned, FEMA).
Power doesn't equal responsbility. So, just fuck New Orleans than, and any other city next time there's a riot, hurricane, etc? If we want to get technical, the income tax is not a power they should have, but do.
Social security can be good, if used properly. My mother's disabled, what would you do for her than since she can't work, or anyone for that matter who can't take care of themselves?
Yeah, through taxes. They have more influence, more money we could ever make, more power.
So, what responsiblity does the government have? You make it sound like their only job is to sit there like Jabba the Hutt and do nothing but get money from everyone.
Really? So, the FBI has NO authority to investigate crooked state officials? Just let it all go on unchecked?
You said, that would be a dissolution of liberty. Yet, the favors that are handed out by lobbyists, the whole idea of 'scratching' one another's back, that isn't corrupt or evil?
"You said, that would be a dissolution of liberty. Yet, the favors that are handed out by lobbyists, the whole idea of 'scratching' one another's back, that isn't corrupt or evil?"
Problems with lobbyists are completely unrelated to socialism vs. capitalism. Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that a huge percentage of lobbyists are for nonprofits, and that they are as "corrupt" as the corporate lobbyists.
I know. That's what I said. You do not distinguish between lobbyists, and yet you try to tie lobbyists to capitalism, when, in fact, lobbyists as a whole have nothing to do with capitalism vs. socialism.
"However, you cannot argue that this favortism doesn't play out in elections and favors"
This has nothing to do with capitalism vs. socialism.
No, when I made no distinction, it's because I can list a few non-profit lobbysit groups I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them. The Dominionists, for example.
I didn't mention socialism this time, I merely pointed out a fact.
Did you even know that Patterson had a business deal with Charles Taylor? What about Dyntcorp's human trafficking ring, did you hear about that? Or the many controversies surrounding Blackwater? Or, another one that ended badly was the Franklin Coverup.
Years ago we had a surplus, now we have the biggest debt. WW2 brought us out of the Depression, yet we're in a recession that has lasted for years.
"Years ago we had a surplus, now we have the biggest debt."
Yes, because the tech boom ended, but we kept spending money at an ever-higher rate.
"we're in a recession that has lasted for years."
Incorrect. By no definition of "recession" is this true. If we are in a recession -- by the most common definition, we absolutely are not, but many say we are, and that's fine -- it has only been happening for the last several months, at most.
Tech-boom? well this economic 'drop' than, has been building up for the last few years. Everything had begun to go crazy around 2005, maybe 2006, but only recently got worse. What would you say it is, if not a recession?
"Tech-boom? well this economic 'drop' than, has been building up for the last few years."
In some senses, yes: housing, loss of manufacturing, and so on. Yes, it has been building for a long time, since the 90s at least. But in any way significantly related to the loss of surplus? No.
"What would you say it is, if not a recession?"
A recession is most commonly defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. We have not yet had ONE quarter of negative growth.
Well, then why did you say my definition of fascism was wrong, when that's how it is commonly defined?
We've had these negative economic drops off and on for the last few years, I'd say there's a reason for it. How about we stop sending our jobs overseas and bring them back here?
"Well, then why did you say my definition of fascism was wrong, when that's how it is commonly defined?"
First, it isn't commonly defined that way. Only leftists with an agenda define it that way. Second, I never said we are not in a recession, I said it depends on what definition you use, and more to the point, NO definition of recession puts is in one until this year, or late 2007, not "2005 or 2006."
"We've had these negative economic drops off and on for the last few years"
darky5k1987? Finally,Someone with a grasp of historical facts.If only our European allies had taken heed and acted on the "14 Points"as proposed by Pres.Wilson,we might not have to listen to such drivel like this.Hitler,in the beginning was just what a bankrupt Germany needed after the Versailles Treaty.The Autobahn and other projects forged a new economy,a self reliance feared by our allies and ultimately aimed at the very people the treaty was written by.Then the Insanity came out
Another media-nurtured moron,Michael Moore wannabe.Your "Freedoms" have been taken away? You live in an internment camp? Which one might that be?Auschwitz?Manzanar?Pine Ridge?.As a Native American,whose own Family were drug off to "Indian School" and has read the old laws pertaining to "1 white man or 3 chinese or 5 indians" word had the same weight in a court of law.Think again,Wasichu.You don't know the meaning of loss of "Freedom"
you know my own grandfather lost his entire family in the hollucost because of that son of a bitch fuck faced hitler who is burning in hell .my grandfather escaped during the night in 1942 with his sister and brother the rest of the entire family was parished i am the last one who holds his blood line
Also, if we want to get technical, Hitler is the only famous man to committ treason and become the head of the same state through legitimate means. With this whole thing with the Bush Admin. now about the Israel spy and Lawrence Franklin espionage thing and much of the admin being subpoened for the trial, one wonders.
this guy is a complete idiot. i hate george bush just as much as the next guy. but come on man goerge bush has nothing in commen with hitler. hitler was crazy and wanted to kill an entire race of people. bush is just retarded and has enough money that he became president in a fucked up election in a state where there are more trailers then regular family houses.
Nazis were complete socialists...Exactly like americas democratic party. left wingers, anti-gun , state controlled EVERYTHING just like HILARY and Barack want to do.Citizens are indoctrinated . Change the lyrics to hilary and barack are hitler.
JUST SHUT UP YOU STUPID PEON wtf do you know? not too much ill say Barack or Hilary for president hell yeah!!ur probably just some dum old rep who doesnt care how many people bush has killed in this war! do ya? huh? rite why dont you stop wasting ur time talking bout them and go vote for ur freaking dumass war lover who will let more people die! hope u will be pulled into war oneday and sent to be blown the fuck up GO BARACK & HILARY bitch
Uh, actually, the Nazis were capitalists and hated socialism and all its forms. Hitler was far-right and was willing to do anything to bring back the old Germany. All dictatorships control everything; that's why it's called 'totaltarianism'
It was a Republic, yes, however the Nazis were only Socialists in terms when it came to the 'Aryan' race. Hitler gave some differing views in his statements. Maybe this was to get people to underestimate him, which they did. Fascists and Socialists are two different ends of the spectrum. The term socialist was used by the old party, which was angered by the capitalists, whom they blamed for the Treaty of Versailles and the loss of WW1. It was before Hitler took the lead and made changes.
No, you're wrong. Fascism is not the opposite of socialism. Fascism is the means by which most socialists achieve their goals: taking away liberty of the people for the supposed greater good of all. You've been tricked.
By that idea however, all of Europe and Canada are Nazis. Fascism is defined as used to describe authoritarian nationalist political ideologies or mass movements that are concerned with notions of cultural decline or decadence. Fascism seeks to achieve a millenarian national rebirth by placing the interests of the individual as subordinate to that of the nation or race and promoting cults of unity, energy and purity. Corporatism plays a big role in such a state.
"By that idea however, all of Europe and Canada are Nazis"
No. Not Nazis. But they have strong fascist tendencies, yes.
"Fascism is defined as used to describe ..."
No, it's not.
"Fascism seeks to achieve ..."
No, it doesn't. That is occasionally how fascism is manifested. Fascism a. is authoritarian, b. strips essential liberty, and c. uses deception, propaganda, and a sense of "common good" to do it.
Shit, then that sounds like any government. All governments use propaganda and lies to gain authority and have us obey without question. Like the Patriot Act, HR 1955, Operation Mockingbird, and all these executive orders are that good for our 'liberty'. By you saying they have strong fascist tendencies, it sounds like everyone in Europe is goose-stepping to the Nazi anthem. Most historians agree that fascism and socialism are on the opposite end, so how are they the same?
So what are you saying, that capitalism is the best way to go? I can show you dozens of reasons why it can be just as bad. Like I said, even Mussolini's Fascist state was mixed with a sense of corporatism. Are you saying everyone in Europe is oppressed under this ideology?
So, by not having any right to form unions, by creating social classes in which many can never escape from, that's perfectly fine? How can you say socialism hurts rights, when many in Europe and everywhere else critcize US for saying the same about them? Really, when we say that all these countries are hurting themselves, that makes us look bad. The truth is, if we were a real capitalist society, we'd all have a chance, but we don't. Not with a shitty economy and so much shit falling on us.
Okay, say we went the socialist route, money could be taken from the elite, only the elite. Now use that money to create a boom in the other parts. Education could be fixed up, we could maybe end some diseases, fix up some of the projects, etc. However, by not doing so, and encouraging a one-track belief all the time, do we not also hurt ourselves? Money is the root of evil, correct? So, if you don't have enough, depending on what reasons, you're fucked, right?
Just think about it before making a conclusion. So, by me only thinking of myself all the time and no one else, that hurts no one? You talked about Jesus earlier, but if you look at 1 Timothy 6:10, it does say that money is the root of evil, and the love for it leads to harms.
"Correct? By me only thinking about myself all the time, is that not selfish?"
Call it what you want to. But it hurts no one.
"I read nothing wrong."
False.
"In fact, all of chapter 6 from that book go into detail about it."
No. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that money is the root of evil. It says "love" of money is the root of "all kinds" of evil. That's a very different thing than what you said, obviously.
A selfish attitude leads to arrogance and only acting for one's own being, never thinking of another. That's not wrong?
Love of money is said to be a root, however, as said earlier, one cannot worship two Masters. You can't love God, and then love money. Something humans do. Are humans not greedy?
Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:17-25, Proverbs 14:31,Proverbs 21:13, luke 16:19-16:31, all Biblical quotes on how money will destroy you.
All humans are greedy in one way or another, sorry. It also mentions that money leads to a trap, one which many fail to see they are in. You honestly cannot see what's wrong with being selfish all the time?
For one thing, it contradicts how we're told to act in the Bible.
I can also say, that since this is 'occassionally how fascism is manifested', keep in mind the old Communist rhetorics were that everyone was equal; everyone had land, no separate classes. Yet, the USSR, Cuba, etc, twisted it to give more power to themselves. It was never intended to make everyone poor, but that's human nature. Most people would probably turn evil with that power.
Not to mention, Fascism is racist, has anti-religious tones, etc. Hitler actually had a cult of personality, and called himself the Messiah, the Hitler Youth were even REQUIRED to say Hitler was the Lord and Savior. How are modern Europe and Canada like this?
Now, if I wanted to dive into religion, I could argue that Jesus was socialist, based on His feelings regarding the rich giving to the poor and equal wealth.
No, you could not, as socialism necessarily implies not merely giving to the poor, but using GOVERNMENT to FORCIBLY TAKE from some people to give to others. Jesus never advocated forcibly taking anything, nor doing it through government.
"... equal wealth."
jesus never said anything in favor of equal wealth.
And yet, the government uses the Bible to commit crimes and pass certain laws. Many religious leaders use the Bible to condemn others in the name of 'holiness'. Like Hagee who blamed the Jews for anti-Semitism, or anything any other radical 'leader' has said in the name of God. He advocated obeying the laws He made, right? How do you propose that? By having so much poverty, that leads to crime, gangs, famine, etc. That affects then you and I. Then we have to pay taxes for the cops, lawyers, etc.
"And yet, the government uses the Bible to commit crimes"
False.
"... and pass certain laws."
So? Since when has that been wrong?
"He advocated obeying the laws He made, right? How do you propose that? By having so much poverty, that leads to crime, gangs, famine, etc. That affects then you and I. Then we have to pay taxes for the cops, lawyers, etc."
Are you trying to say that because Jesus said we should obey laws, therefore he was a socialist? Because that's just retarded.
You truly believe our government is so great and breaks NO laws? Look at the neocon movement, look at radicals like Fallwell or Patterson. That's crazy. What I'm saying is that Jesus said we should do what He said, and that since the governments WILL fail to do as told, they will be held accountable in the end. So, does this mean that some people deserve to not have health insurance or be poor? Would you agree with me if I said the government has a responsibility to prevent crime?
How's HR 1955 sound, or the Military Commissions, the CIA black sites; which Bush acknowledged and the EU has filed claims against because many of their citizens have been kidnapped and illegally held. Did you even hear about the Israeli spy case, in which even numerous Bush admin officials have been subpoened?
Okay, so protecting our rights is a duty. So, should we not all have a good education, food, etc?
No, I gave examples, and you said those didn't count, when in fact, looking at the Constitution, they are not legally laws, and to enforce them would be criminal. The ME Act I mentioned below, suspends habeas corpus, allows double jeopardy, hearsay, all illegal under the Bill of Rights. Yet it's considered a just law because our leaders say so. So, can we have two conflicting laws exist at once? The CIA black sites, allow torture, the same as above, no lawyers, even for American citizens
"The ME Act ... suspends habeas corpus, allows double jeopardy, hearsay, all illegal under the Bill of Rights."
The Military Commisssions Act? No, in fact, it does not suspend Constitutional habeas corpus (which is NOT in the Bill of Rights), but restricts STATUTORY habeas corpus, which is NOT unconstitutional.
It also does not allow double jeopardy or hearsay. I've studied the MCA and DTA, and you're wrong. (Also hearsay is NOT illegal under the Bill of Rights, though most forms of it are).
As to statutory habeas corpus, there are basically two kinds of rights: those that government does not grant, but is forced to recognize, and those that government grants.
For example, you do not have a Constitutional right to vote by mail, but a law cabe grant you that right. If that law is repealed, the Constitution has not been violated.
Laws have been passed granting broader habeas rights. Limiting these statutory rights is not unconstitutional.
As I was saying, you know as well as I do that if there were less poverty and famine, there would be less crime. Have you ever read into the odious debt the third world is into us and other nations, partly because of the oil crisis in the 70's? Because of this, many problems broke out, anti-Americanism especially. What I'm also saying about the Bible, is people use it to justify every action they do, without knowing anything about what's said, what it meant in the time period, etc. Among these,
are the ideas that capitalism is always right, when we can clearly see it isn't. This often leads to arrogance, and then someone winds up getting hurt in one way or another. Can we look at the American economy now, and say everything's great? Gas prices are too high, yet oil has gone down in price. Medicines are too high, food prices are going up, etc. Why? Because we allow it. Then we fuck ourselves, and look for a reason why, often taking any excuse or culprit as the answer. Look at any poor-
city or county. I mentioned crime as a result of poverty, going into criminal justice; I've SEEN many of the poorer neighborhoods and slums in this country. No help, NONE. No one arrests the corrupt officials responsible, no one fixes the education system because 'it's too expensive'. Then we wonder why everything is shit. Everything is connected like a chain.
Your comparison to free speech makes no sense. What crimes do free speech cause? So, because capitalism encourages a social class, like I said, many cannot escape from, this is right? By that statement alone, it sounds like it's not a big deal, and instead we should worry more about the elite of our society than each other. What regulations are you talking about? Gas goes up and up, when oil shoots everywhere. A new excuse each week, and we buy it. How many accidents can happen before people
realize that it's just an abuse of power? OPEC and these gas giants can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with it. Make any excuse, and people will buy it.
Like capitalism, free speech causes no crimes. ("Encouraging a social class" is not a crime, and capitalism does not do this anyway: social classes exist naturally; if they do not exist, it is only because they have been forcibly suppressed). But like capitalism, free speech can be used to harm others and commit all sorts of crimes.
The only times when legal free speech can be used to hurt anyone, that I can think of, would be used to spread hate. The same kind of thing Neo Nazis use when they rally in a black neighborhood, that sort of thing.
Yes. Someone can say black people are terrible, and this can cause riots. So, we should ban all speech to make sure no one can misuse speech.
This is your logic: to reduce crime, we should take away people's right to property. This is exactly what you said. So why not take away our right to free speech, too? If you're consistent, you have to.
Saddam was a member and head of Baath, national socialist modeled after Germany in 1930's. Wow!! I had no idea Bush did anything like this!!
HDNighster1 4 months ago
Wow!! Did Bush hate Jews? Exterminate?I though he was pro-Zionist? I figured Saddam was liken to Hitler. Saddam's role models were Stalin and Hitler;Stalin's purge to obtain power as Saddam did and his hatred for Jews as he hung them in Baghdad during early 1970's and excluding Jewish scientist for his nuclear program aided by France. Saddam's favorite movie was Godfather, like he was head of Al Bu Nasir tribe and eliminated all his oppositions like mobsters do and like Hitler did for NAZIs.
HDNighster1 4 months ago
@HDNighster1 I am shaking my head right now.
pudgenet 4 months ago
@pudgenet Which way, horizontally or vertically?
HDNighster1 4 months ago
@HDNighster1 Shaking is horizontal. Nodding is vertical. Don't kids learn anything in their gubmint schools these days?
pudgenet 4 months ago
@pudgenet Interesting. Interpretation and perception is everything. I don't know whether kids are learning. You should know. You seem to be very intelligent.
HDNighster1 4 months ago
@HDNighster1 Well, what have you learned here today?
pudgenet 4 months ago
@pudgenet I haven't. What are you going to teach me?
HDNighster1 4 months ago
@HDNighster1 You started out arguing against the notions expressed in the song, with the implied assumption that I shared those views. If you were going to start over, is there anything you would change?
pudgenet 4 months ago
@pudgenet There is no arguing. Like you, an expression. Why liken Bush to Hitler?
HDNighster1 4 months ago
@HDNighster1 "Why liken Bush to Hitler?"
Have you never before been exposed to satire?
pudgenet 4 months ago
@pudgenet yes, I'm well aware. You still haven't answered by question.
HDNighster1 4 months ago
@HDNighster1 Well, no, you're not aware at all. I didn't actually liken Bush to Hitler: I made fun of people who liken Bush to Hitler.
pudgenet 4 months ago
@pudgenet I know. Dude, your alright. I enjoy your songs and very entertaining. Please keep it up. Have a good day.
HDNighster1 4 months ago
niggah, until george bush deliberately kills 20 million people because of ethnicity and starts a world war that ravages the western world, he doesnt deserve to be compared to hitler.
pyramidheadkitten9 10 months ago
@pyramidheadkitten9 So you missed the satire?
pudgenet 10 months ago
@pyramidheadkitten9: I don't know where you been but he has killed 20 million people because of ethnicity except he didnt do it in the western world he did it in the eastern world, so he deserves to be compared to hitler more than anyone... george bush is s tyrant to say anything else is ignorance.
Eric21879 10 months ago
@Eric21879 Hitler still killed more people than George Bush Jr so wrong there. It would equal to all countries like Britain for example killed more people than the Nazis. But to say Bush Jr killed more people than the Hitler is stupid. Bush isn't a tyrant btw, he did many things to protect us from terrorist attacks.
Hperman09 4 months ago
Now they try to adapt their rhetoric "Bush was a liberal", but at the time they attacked all critics of him. I think it's pretty hypocritical, I think people should "question with boldness".
MyTotalRemedy 1 year ago
Remember when dissent against the sitting president was treason? and it was bad to compare them to Hitler? And most of the same people protesting Obama now mocked and attacked people who stood up against Bush? That was just 3 years ago. Now they claim to be over him like they never embraced Bush in the first place, but I wish they would come with more credibility. When you attack people who criticize the pres for 8 years, karma catches up to you. The hunter becomes the hunted.
MyTotalRemedy 1 year ago
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id1337x 1 year ago
I guess this is satire?
truevoiceofsanity 1 year ago
this is great!
darkreznor 1 year ago
you are cool :O xD
ChupProductions 1 year ago
Although you're trying to be sarcastic, you make VERY good points..
WrestlinMan08 1 year ago
@WrestlinMan08 Are YOU trying to be sarcastic? I sure hope so.
pudgenet 1 year ago
Very good satire. I think its funny how people are worried about big brother/ As we all know our government would NEVER use Big brother devices agaist it's own people...NEVER!
IBMeddling 2 years ago
you are faceist
MrFair03 2 years ago
Thank you. I agree, I do make very good faces.
pudgenet 2 years ago 2
@pudgenet haha lol
j4ke002 1 year ago
Why did you use the video camera mic? Couldn't you upload it with the better sound of those microphones? Just my opinion.
boamuro 2 years ago
Oh dang you had me there for a moment.
winner0loser 2 years ago
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Savitta 2 years ago
bill hicks said it best: HITLER HAD THE RIGHT IDEA, HE WAS JUST AN UNDER ACHIEVER!
gibbsies 2 years ago
every person w an iq below 120 should be executed.
videodude088 2 years ago 3
*whew* just barely got over the "you-get-to-live" line
ToriiHunterFan 2 years ago
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This song sucks and you're not funny.
rocketlauncher2 3 years ago
Wrong on both counts!
pudgenet 3 years ago
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Obama is Hitler , just look at his pose on time magazine , add a little hair on his upper lip that compleats the picture. go fuck yourself commie
gjetter 3 years ago
Ummmm. OK ...
pudgenet 3 years ago
you are so fucking gay. Obama is doing more to take away our rights than Bush ever has. Wait till we cant own guns then youll see.
DevilDog420 3 years ago
You're not very smart, either.
Dude. Have you ever heard of the word "parody"?
pudgenet 3 years ago
Ok ok you got me. Alot of people actually believe what your saying though so it was hard to tell. I can see it now haha. Sorry about that.
DevilDog420 3 years ago
Funny song, by the way.
SteveCSX 3 years ago
I just wonder what people will do after Bush leaves office. If Obama screws up and gets us attacked again, I bet those same lonely people will complain it's Bushes doings.
I really think those who compare Bush to Hitler are stupid ignorant losers. But that's what you get online.. mostly.
SteveCSX 3 years ago
This song is obviously sarcastic. Bush is not my favorite guy, but he's not as bad as most people say he is. He's no Hitler. Hitler didn't have failed policies.
jamesspencerjackson 3 years ago
what a fucking idiot. this guy looks like bin laden lmao
94z28interceptor 3 years ago
LOLZ!! "I live in an internment camp." :)
EffieReal 3 years ago 4
LMAO! and he is sending the secret service after you now! great song...hillarious! He is being sarcastic...This song is making fun a democrats and the liberal media
xn8northx 3 years ago 8
I'm afraid our next president will be the same old stuff in a new package. You know the national crisis routine then slip through legislation to further rob us of our constitutional rights.
billnhillaryclinton 3 years ago
Move to Canada idiot!
ebarber72 3 years ago
just great!
johnnyrotta 3 years ago
he killed 6 million jews, hahaha funny but you lost my attention after that statement
soccernotfutbol 3 years ago
Cute song, you got talent. Bush is a terrible president in my opinion and know the point you're making and even if we disagree I love any country that allows so much back and forth converstaion.
Nader/Gonzalez 2008
Peace
1 Cor. 10:31
You were right about LBJ, he was a bastard.
boomac62 3 years ago
If george bush was really hitler, this would be your last YouTube video.
captaindiesalot 3 years ago 3
(Sigh) Its sarcasm
FeoAmante 3 years ago
Yep. But not very many people seem to understand sarcasm. It almost always has the opposite effect than was meant. This song is making fun of the Left who are obsessed with calling Bush all sorts of terrible things.
sketchbook1 3 years ago
uhm srry 4 so many coments =(
i started writing and thinking that if i reply to u like u did to me that the coment will be under ur coment srry
oppositeofn0rm4l 3 years ago
there are freedoms but ppl push them to the limit until eventually they have to get rid of it. there are alot of bad thing that bish has done. well more than alot but but there are some things that arent his fault
afrofamilyguy 3 years ago
ur cute HEHEHEHE now i am just kiding funny not cute but when u look at staljin hitler and bush looks like they had a competicion who will kill more
oppositeofn0rm4l 3 years ago
Um, you realize that LBJ "killed" a lot more people than Bush, right? Just curious. (Do you know who LBJ is? :-)
pudgenet 3 years ago
i know that! but bush i not dead jet so. =)=)
oppositeofn0rm4l 3 years ago
bush is not dead jet so he can change that he didn't kill tha most :);):D
oppositeofn0rm4l 3 years ago
I KNOW ! but bush is not dead jet so he can change that he didn't kill more!!!!!
oppositeofn0rm4l 3 years ago
george is not dead jet so he can stel be tha best :D
oppositeofn0rm4l 3 years ago
i like bush u prick i hate hitler they raided england u damn Hurtful person!
Striked08 3 years ago
Nice satire!
it just shows them how stupid their rational is1
greetingsearthlings1 3 years ago
Then why do you have the freedom to sing this song?
dshct 3 years ago
Exactly. (Pssssst: it's called "satire"!)
pudgenet 3 years ago
Yeah but you know a lot of people probably agree that Bush is Hitler. People put zero thought into their comments.
dshct 3 years ago
Sucks.
themangodess 3 years ago
a very good description on the devil
yayadyksport 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Hitler was Hitler before he became the Fuhrer. Bush doesn't have to kill millions on US soil to be a Hitler - we already had the genocide of Natives and slavery. Now, the terror of US capitalism extends around the globe - Bush1-Clinton-Bush2 have killed 2 million Iraqis since 1991, displacing another 4 million. Madeline Albright said of 500,000 dead Iraqi children... "it was worth it." And that's just one country. It will be too late to state the obvious when we're in concentration camps.
timetorevolt 3 years ago
Riiiiiiiiiiight.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Calm down, this guy is obviously joking and making fun of people who mock Bush.
rainbowfirewave 3 years ago 2
no he isnt. this is true to me all kidding aside
ryan19554 3 years ago
So you are saying Bush is responsible for what happened centuries ago and what happened in a time of war. Good job. Well thought out.
dshct 3 years ago
Oh shit when I used to bartend as an occupation through school I was referred to as "Little Hitler" when I shut someone off. Apparently their vomitus did not offend them.
kapazas2002 3 years ago
*Soup Nazi voice* No beer for you!
darky5k1987 3 years ago
By no definition of "recession" is this true. If we are in a recession -- by the most common definition, we absolutely are not
That's what you said about us not being in a recession. One that has been building for years. We had problems in the past few years, 2001 and off and on later come to mind.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
I agree. He is a morone and should have never been president.
mpit717 3 years ago
At least he can spell.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a pure socialist, I just don't believe Europe and Canada have these strong fascist tendencies as you say. However, I see the poverty even in our own nation and know something better can be done by our leaders. We already help other nations, but not our own. When I suggested taxing the top of the pyramid, you called it evil, yet is it not evil to turn away from the suffering of your fellow man? Doesn't the government have a responsibility to fix the slums of its own
darky5k1987 3 years ago
i think that we should take the help from other countries that we give, and just keep it here. do the fair tax. low tax on poor and higher tax on wealthy.
-conservative-ish
hillmedia22 3 years ago
I would agree on the fair tax, but not so much on taking away from other countries. We have a responsibility to repair damages done by insurgents in Iraq and relocate the refugees during the refugee crisis. Humanitarian aid should be a human duty, no matter who does it. Who knows, there may come a day when we need it. Look at Myanmar for example, the junta are the ones responsible for all the pain there. Darfur, China, North Korea, etc
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"I see the poverty even in our own nation and know something better can be done by our leaders."
Nonsense. This is America. Get off your ass and do something about it yourself.
"When I suggested taxing the top of the pyramid, you called it evil"
No, I said socialism is evil.
"is it not evil to turn away from the suffering of your fellow man?"
That has nothing to do with government.
"Doesn't the government have a responsibility to fix the slums of its own"
No, it does not.
pudgenet 3 years ago
How can many people do something, when people hardly ever hire people off the streets? Close to half of the homeless in our nation are employed, and yet are still homeless.
It has everything to do with government. If the government can't repair its own cities, as we charge other nations to do, then they have failed their duty. I suppose New Orleans wasn't their job either? Same goes for any slum that's filled with criminals, or is a slum becuase of neglect.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"How can many people do something, when people hardly ever hire people off the streets?"
If "many people" can't do it, how could the government do it? Is the government not merely people?
"If the government can't repair its own cities ... then they have failed their duty."
That is not the duty of our federal government. Read the Constitution, especially Amendment X.
"I suppose New Orleans wasn't their job either?"
Exactly right.
pudgenet 3 years ago
The government has more power to do something, education for example, resources that you and I do not have.
Amednment 10 says the states have that responsibility, yes, but should the state fail its job and become corrupt, is it not the federal government's job to fix the problem? This is exactly why FEMA fucked up. So, the government has virtually no responsiblity other than to take taxes. Sounds like a gangster to me if they don't do shit.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
Besides, I never said it was just the federal level's responsiblity, just the government's job to protect its citizens. Something they failed to do.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"So, the government has virtually no responsiblity other than to take taxes."
See Article I, Section 8. The fed govt has many powers. "Social security" and "fixing cities" are not among them. The powers listed fall into three categories: raising money/paying debt, general welfare, and common defense.
"Besides, I never said it was just the federal level's responsiblity"
That was the context of the discussion, as we were discussing the nation and national issues (and, as you mentioned, FEMA).
pudgenet 3 years ago
Power doesn't equal responsbility. So, just fuck New Orleans than, and any other city next time there's a riot, hurricane, etc? If we want to get technical, the income tax is not a power they should have, but do.
Social security can be good, if used properly. My mother's disabled, what would you do for her than since she can't work, or anyone for that matter who can't take care of themselves?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"The government has more power to do something, education for example, resources that you and I do not have."
Incorrect. All the resources they have, they get from us.
"Amednment 10 says the states have that responsibility"
No, it does not. It says states have that POWER, and that the power DOES NOT belong to the feds.
"... but should the state fail its job and become corrupt, is it not the federal government's job to fix the problem?"
No, it is not. The powers DO NOT belong to the feds.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Yeah, through taxes. They have more influence, more money we could ever make, more power.
So, what responsiblity does the government have? You make it sound like their only job is to sit there like Jabba the Hutt and do nothing but get money from everyone.
Really? So, the FBI has NO authority to investigate crooked state officials? Just let it all go on unchecked?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
No, I said socialism is evil.
You said, that would be a dissolution of liberty. Yet, the favors that are handed out by lobbyists, the whole idea of 'scratching' one another's back, that isn't corrupt or evil?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"You said, that would be a dissolution of liberty. Yet, the favors that are handed out by lobbyists, the whole idea of 'scratching' one another's back, that isn't corrupt or evil?"
Problems with lobbyists are completely unrelated to socialism vs. capitalism. Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that a huge percentage of lobbyists are for nonprofits, and that they are as "corrupt" as the corporate lobbyists.
pudgenet 3 years ago
I never made a distinction between lobbysits. However, you cannot argue that this favortism doesn't play out in elections and favors
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"I never made a distinction between lobbysits."
I know. That's what I said. You do not distinguish between lobbyists, and yet you try to tie lobbyists to capitalism, when, in fact, lobbyists as a whole have nothing to do with capitalism vs. socialism.
"However, you cannot argue that this favortism doesn't play out in elections and favors"
This has nothing to do with capitalism vs. socialism.
pudgenet 3 years ago
No, when I made no distinction, it's because I can list a few non-profit lobbysit groups I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them. The Dominionists, for example.
I didn't mention socialism this time, I merely pointed out a fact.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
Did you even know that Patterson had a business deal with Charles Taylor? What about Dyntcorp's human trafficking ring, did you hear about that? Or the many controversies surrounding Blackwater? Or, another one that ended badly was the Franklin Coverup.
Years ago we had a surplus, now we have the biggest debt. WW2 brought us out of the Depression, yet we're in a recession that has lasted for years.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"Years ago we had a surplus, now we have the biggest debt."
Yes, because the tech boom ended, but we kept spending money at an ever-higher rate.
"we're in a recession that has lasted for years."
Incorrect. By no definition of "recession" is this true. If we are in a recession -- by the most common definition, we absolutely are not, but many say we are, and that's fine -- it has only been happening for the last several months, at most.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Tech-boom? well this economic 'drop' than, has been building up for the last few years. Everything had begun to go crazy around 2005, maybe 2006, but only recently got worse. What would you say it is, if not a recession?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"Tech-boom? well this economic 'drop' than, has been building up for the last few years."
In some senses, yes: housing, loss of manufacturing, and so on. Yes, it has been building for a long time, since the 90s at least. But in any way significantly related to the loss of surplus? No.
"What would you say it is, if not a recession?"
A recession is most commonly defined as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. We have not yet had ONE quarter of negative growth.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Well, then why did you say my definition of fascism was wrong, when that's how it is commonly defined?
We've had these negative economic drops off and on for the last few years, I'd say there's a reason for it. How about we stop sending our jobs overseas and bring them back here?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"Well, then why did you say my definition of fascism was wrong, when that's how it is commonly defined?"
First, it isn't commonly defined that way. Only leftists with an agenda define it that way. Second, I never said we are not in a recession, I said it depends on what definition you use, and more to the point, NO definition of recession puts is in one until this year, or late 2007, not "2005 or 2006."
"We've had these negative economic drops off and on for the last few years"
Incorrect.
pudgenet 3 years ago
darky5k1987? Finally,Someone with a grasp of historical facts.If only our European allies had taken heed and acted on the "14 Points"as proposed by Pres.Wilson,we might not have to listen to such drivel like this.Hitler,in the beginning was just what a bankrupt Germany needed after the Versailles Treaty.The Autobahn and other projects forged a new economy,a self reliance feared by our allies and ultimately aimed at the very people the treaty was written by.Then the Insanity came out
Anaris10 3 years ago
What was "incorrect"? about this?
Anaris10 3 years ago
Another media-nurtured moron,Michael Moore wannabe.Your "Freedoms" have been taken away? You live in an internment camp? Which one might that be?Auschwitz?Manzanar?Pine Ridge?.As a Native American,whose own Family were drug off to "Indian School" and has read the old laws pertaining to "1 white man or 3 chinese or 5 indians" word had the same weight in a court of law.Think again,Wasichu.You don't know the meaning of loss of "Freedom"
Anaris10 3 years ago
Pssssst. It's called "satire."
pudgenet 3 years ago
you know my own grandfather lost his entire family in the hollucost because of that son of a bitch fuck faced hitler who is burning in hell .my grandfather escaped during the night in 1942 with his sister and brother the rest of the entire family was parished i am the last one who holds his blood line
oldstylelife 3 years ago
bush is nothing like hitler he just isn't a very bright president
oldstylelife 3 years ago
lol yeah i heard it was like 12 in a suburb of atlanta
twitchykinder 3 years ago
BUSH didnt kill 6 million jews.. not even close.
de1043 3 years ago
awsome
superdudeJman 3 years ago
This is called sarcasm.
thquart 3 years ago
Also, if we want to get technical, Hitler is the only famous man to committ treason and become the head of the same state through legitimate means. With this whole thing with the Bush Admin. now about the Israel spy and Lawrence Franklin espionage thing and much of the admin being subpoened for the trial, one wonders.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
This got a thumbs down? Are people really that stupid? Read history, look any of it up before you start throwing a fit.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
everybody who say taht is right, don't even know who hitler was!
hitler was a crazy massmurderer!
man think before you're singing
WinnetouLecter 3 years ago
this guy is a complete idiot. i hate george bush just as much as the next guy. but come on man goerge bush has nothing in commen with hitler. hitler was crazy and wanted to kill an entire race of people. bush is just retarded and has enough money that he became president in a fucked up election in a state where there are more trailers then regular family houses.
marblemtnmasons 3 years ago
Nonsense!!!!
You can't compare Bush with HItler"!!
mormedil 3 years ago
its a joke.
JRDUDE2122 3 years ago 3
Nazis were complete socialists...Exactly like americas democratic party. left wingers, anti-gun , state controlled EVERYTHING just like HILARY and Barack want to do.Citizens are indoctrinated . Change the lyrics to hilary and barack are hitler.
PaganPeon 3 years ago
good point
spikedudleydashit 3 years ago
JUST SHUT UP YOU STUPID PEON wtf do you know? not too much ill say Barack or Hilary for president hell yeah!!ur probably just some dum old rep who doesnt care how many people bush has killed in this war! do ya? huh? rite why dont you stop wasting ur time talking bout them and go vote for ur freaking dumass war lover who will let more people die! hope u will be pulled into war oneday and sent to be blown the fuck up GO BARACK & HILARY bitch
elmonious 3 years ago 2
your right GO BARACK AND HILARY
brimanmarisonwarn 3 years ago
Uh, actually, the Nazis were capitalists and hated socialism and all its forms. Hitler was far-right and was willing to do anything to bring back the old Germany. All dictatorships control everything; that's why it's called 'totaltarianism'
darky5k1987 3 years ago
Ahm, a dictatorship must not be an totalitarian regime!!! There is a diference between those two words ;)
sebastian1zu160 3 years ago
True, but either still abuse their power, and for me it's all one category. They may act different in some cases, but they still do the same evils.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
Did you know The word"Nazi" means National Socialist.The "Old Germany" was a Republic.
Anaris10 3 years ago
It was a Republic, yes, however the Nazis were only Socialists in terms when it came to the 'Aryan' race. Hitler gave some differing views in his statements. Maybe this was to get people to underestimate him, which they did. Fascists and Socialists are two different ends of the spectrum. The term socialist was used by the old party, which was angered by the capitalists, whom they blamed for the Treaty of Versailles and the loss of WW1. It was before Hitler took the lead and made changes.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
No, you're wrong. Fascism is not the opposite of socialism. Fascism is the means by which most socialists achieve their goals: taking away liberty of the people for the supposed greater good of all. You've been tricked.
pudgenet 3 years ago
By that idea however, all of Europe and Canada are Nazis. Fascism is defined as used to describe authoritarian nationalist political ideologies or mass movements that are concerned with notions of cultural decline or decadence. Fascism seeks to achieve a millenarian national rebirth by placing the interests of the individual as subordinate to that of the nation or race and promoting cults of unity, energy and purity. Corporatism plays a big role in such a state.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"By that idea however, all of Europe and Canada are Nazis"
No. Not Nazis. But they have strong fascist tendencies, yes.
"Fascism is defined as used to describe ..."
No, it's not.
"Fascism seeks to achieve ..."
No, it doesn't. That is occasionally how fascism is manifested. Fascism a. is authoritarian, b. strips essential liberty, and c. uses deception, propaganda, and a sense of "common good" to do it.
Sounds like most of Europe and Canada to me.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Shit, then that sounds like any government. All governments use propaganda and lies to gain authority and have us obey without question. Like the Patriot Act, HR 1955, Operation Mockingbird, and all these executive orders are that good for our 'liberty'. By you saying they have strong fascist tendencies, it sounds like everyone in Europe is goose-stepping to the Nazi anthem. Most historians agree that fascism and socialism are on the opposite end, so how are they the same?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"By you saying they have strong fascist tendencies, it sounds like everyone in Europe is goose-stepping to the Nazi anthem."
False.
"Most historians agree that fascism and socialism are on the opposite end"
False.
"keep in mind the old Communist rhetorics were that everyone was equal"
Exactly. They were a socialist nation, and a fascist nation, thus disproving your claim.
pudgenet 3 years ago
So what are you saying, that capitalism is the best way to go? I can show you dozens of reasons why it can be just as bad. Like I said, even Mussolini's Fascist state was mixed with a sense of corporatism. Are you saying everyone in Europe is oppressed under this ideology?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"So what are you saying, that capitalism is the best way to go? I can show you dozens of reasons why it can be just as bad."
No, you actually cannot. Protecting RIGHTS is the most important goal of any government. Capitalism does not harm anyone's rights. Socialism does.
pudgenet 3 years ago
So, by not having any right to form unions, by creating social classes in which many can never escape from, that's perfectly fine? How can you say socialism hurts rights, when many in Europe and everywhere else critcize US for saying the same about them? Really, when we say that all these countries are hurting themselves, that makes us look bad. The truth is, if we were a real capitalist society, we'd all have a chance, but we don't. Not with a shitty economy and so much shit falling on us.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"So, by not having any right to form unions"
This has nothing to do with capitalism. Capitalism does not prevent unions.
"by creating social classes in which many can never escape from"
Capitalism creates no social classes of any kind.
"How can you say socialism hurts rights"
How is taking from me to give to someone else NOT taking my rights? That is EXACTLY what it is. Don't be stupid.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Okay, say we went the socialist route, money could be taken from the elite, only the elite. Now use that money to create a boom in the other parts. Education could be fixed up, we could maybe end some diseases, fix up some of the projects, etc. However, by not doing so, and encouraging a one-track belief all the time, do we not also hurt ourselves? Money is the root of evil, correct? So, if you don't have enough, depending on what reasons, you're fucked, right?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"Okay, say we went the socialist route ..."
That would be an evil dissolution of liberty.
"However, by not doing so ... do we not also hurt ourselves?"
We do not.
"Money is the root of evil, correct?"
It is not.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Just think about it before making a conclusion. So, by me only thinking of myself all the time and no one else, that hurts no one? You talked about Jesus earlier, but if you look at 1 Timothy 6:10, it does say that money is the root of evil, and the love for it leads to harms.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"Just think about it before making a conclusion."
I have.
"So, by me only thinking of myself all the time and no one else, that hurts no one?"
Correct.
"You talked about Jesus earlier, but if you look at 1 Timothy 6:10, it does say that money is the root of evil"
Incorrect. It says no such thing. Either your version of the Bible is flawed, or you are reading it wrong.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Correct? By me only thinking about myself all the time, is that not selfish?
I read nothing wrong. In fact, all of chapter 6 from that book go into detail about it. How can a Bible be flawed anyway?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"Correct? By me only thinking about myself all the time, is that not selfish?"
Call it what you want to. But it hurts no one.
"I read nothing wrong."
False.
"In fact, all of chapter 6 from that book go into detail about it."
No. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that money is the root of evil. It says "love" of money is the root of "all kinds" of evil. That's a very different thing than what you said, obviously.
pudgenet 3 years ago
A selfish attitude leads to arrogance and only acting for one's own being, never thinking of another. That's not wrong?
Love of money is said to be a root, however, as said earlier, one cannot worship two Masters. You can't love God, and then love money. Something humans do. Are humans not greedy?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"A selfish attitude leads to arrogance and only acting for one's own being, never thinking of another. That's not wrong?"
Nope. Not at all. How could it be?
"Love of money is said to be a root, however, as said earlier, one cannot worship two Masters. You can't love God, and then love money."
Yes, and? Who ever said I was in favor of loving money? And you said MONEY is the root of evil: it is not, acc. to the Bible.
"Something humans do. Are humans not greedy?"
Some are. I'm not.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:17-25, Proverbs 14:31,Proverbs 21:13, luke 16:19-16:31, all Biblical quotes on how money will destroy you.
All humans are greedy in one way or another, sorry. It also mentions that money leads to a trap, one which many fail to see they are in. You honestly cannot see what's wrong with being selfish all the time?
For one thing, it contradicts how we're told to act in the Bible.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
I can also say, that since this is 'occassionally how fascism is manifested', keep in mind the old Communist rhetorics were that everyone was equal; everyone had land, no separate classes. Yet, the USSR, Cuba, etc, twisted it to give more power to themselves. It was never intended to make everyone poor, but that's human nature. Most people would probably turn evil with that power.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
Not to mention, Fascism is racist, has anti-religious tones, etc. Hitler actually had a cult of personality, and called himself the Messiah, the Hitler Youth were even REQUIRED to say Hitler was the Lord and Savior. How are modern Europe and Canada like this?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"Fascism is racist, has anti-religious tones, etc."
Nope. Again, those are just means to an end. If religious or race-based bigotry can be used to advance its aims, then they will be used.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Now, if I wanted to dive into religion, I could argue that Jesus was socialist, based on His feelings regarding the rich giving to the poor and equal wealth.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"I could argue that Jesus was socialist ..."
No, you could not, as socialism necessarily implies not merely giving to the poor, but using GOVERNMENT to FORCIBLY TAKE from some people to give to others. Jesus never advocated forcibly taking anything, nor doing it through government.
"... equal wealth."
jesus never said anything in favor of equal wealth.
pudgenet 3 years ago
And yet, the government uses the Bible to commit crimes and pass certain laws. Many religious leaders use the Bible to condemn others in the name of 'holiness'. Like Hagee who blamed the Jews for anti-Semitism, or anything any other radical 'leader' has said in the name of God. He advocated obeying the laws He made, right? How do you propose that? By having so much poverty, that leads to crime, gangs, famine, etc. That affects then you and I. Then we have to pay taxes for the cops, lawyers, etc.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"And yet, the government uses the Bible to commit crimes"
False.
"... and pass certain laws."
So? Since when has that been wrong?
"He advocated obeying the laws He made, right? How do you propose that? By having so much poverty, that leads to crime, gangs, famine, etc. That affects then you and I. Then we have to pay taxes for the cops, lawyers, etc."
Are you trying to say that because Jesus said we should obey laws, therefore he was a socialist? Because that's just retarded.
pudgenet 3 years ago
You truly believe our government is so great and breaks NO laws? Look at the neocon movement, look at radicals like Fallwell or Patterson. That's crazy. What I'm saying is that Jesus said we should do what He said, and that since the governments WILL fail to do as told, they will be held accountable in the end. So, does this mean that some people deserve to not have health insurance or be poor? Would you agree with me if I said the government has a responsibility to prevent crime?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"You truly believe our government is so great and breaks NO laws?"
I never said anything like that.
"Look at the neocon movement, look at radicals like Fallwell or Patterson."
What laws have ANY of them broken? I can only think of Scooter Libby's conviction for perjury. Got any others?
"Jesus said we should do what He said"
Yes, but that has nothing to do with socialism.
"government has a responsibility to prevent crime?"
Yes, because that is protecting our rights.
pudgenet 3 years ago
How's HR 1955 sound, or the Military Commissions, the CIA black sites; which Bush acknowledged and the EU has filed claims against because many of their citizens have been kidnapped and illegally held. Did you even hear about the Israeli spy case, in which even numerous Bush admin officials have been subpoened?
Okay, so protecting our rights is a duty. So, should we not all have a good education, food, etc?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
I'm sorry, I asked you to give me examples of laws that were broken. You did not do that. Maybe because you cannot?
pudgenet 3 years ago
Laws? Just because someone says these were passed as laws, doesn't mean they're justified. Have you even researched any of these that I mentioned?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
Um.
You said people were breaking laws. I asked for examples. You gave those examples. And now you are saying it doesn't matter that no one broke laws.
Try to keep up here.
pudgenet 3 years ago
No, I gave examples, and you said those didn't count, when in fact, looking at the Constitution, they are not legally laws, and to enforce them would be criminal. The ME Act I mentioned below, suspends habeas corpus, allows double jeopardy, hearsay, all illegal under the Bill of Rights. Yet it's considered a just law because our leaders say so. So, can we have two conflicting laws exist at once? The CIA black sites, allow torture, the same as above, no lawyers, even for American citizens
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"No, I gave examples ..."
Um. You said you gave examples of laws being broken. You did not do that. You still have not done that.
pudgenet 3 years ago
"The ME Act ... suspends habeas corpus, allows double jeopardy, hearsay, all illegal under the Bill of Rights."
The Military Commisssions Act? No, in fact, it does not suspend Constitutional habeas corpus (which is NOT in the Bill of Rights), but restricts STATUTORY habeas corpus, which is NOT unconstitutional.
It also does not allow double jeopardy or hearsay. I've studied the MCA and DTA, and you're wrong. (Also hearsay is NOT illegal under the Bill of Rights, though most forms of it are).
pudgenet 3 years ago
DTA? I can't find anything on statutory habeas corpus, never even heard of it. What is it?
darky5k1987 3 years ago
DTA = Detainee Treatment Act.
As to statutory habeas corpus, there are basically two kinds of rights: those that government does not grant, but is forced to recognize, and those that government grants.
For example, you do not have a Constitutional right to vote by mail, but a law cabe grant you that right. If that law is repealed, the Constitution has not been violated.
Laws have been passed granting broader habeas rights. Limiting these statutory rights is not unconstitutional.
pudgenet 3 years ago
As I was saying, you know as well as I do that if there were less poverty and famine, there would be less crime. Have you ever read into the odious debt the third world is into us and other nations, partly because of the oil crisis in the 70's? Because of this, many problems broke out, anti-Americanism especially. What I'm also saying about the Bible, is people use it to justify every action they do, without knowing anything about what's said, what it meant in the time period, etc. Among these,
darky5k1987 3 years ago
are the ideas that capitalism is always right, when we can clearly see it isn't. This often leads to arrogance, and then someone winds up getting hurt in one way or another. Can we look at the American economy now, and say everything's great? Gas prices are too high, yet oil has gone down in price. Medicines are too high, food prices are going up, etc. Why? Because we allow it. Then we fuck ourselves, and look for a reason why, often taking any excuse or culprit as the answer. Look at any poor-
darky5k1987 3 years ago
city or county. I mentioned crime as a result of poverty, going into criminal justice; I've SEEN many of the poorer neighborhoods and slums in this country. No help, NONE. No one arrests the corrupt officials responsible, no one fixes the education system because 'it's too expensive'. Then we wonder why everything is shit. Everything is connected like a chain.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"if there were less poverty and famine, there would be less crime."
So? If we had no free speech, there would be less crime, too. Using this as a justification for socialism is utter nonsense.
"the ideas that capitalism is always right, when we can clearly see it isn't"
Capitalism is not "right" or "wrong." It just Is, in any free society.
The problems you look at in the American economy -- gas, medicince prices, food prices -- are mostly caused by regulation, not capitalism.
pudgenet 3 years ago
Your comparison to free speech makes no sense. What crimes do free speech cause? So, because capitalism encourages a social class, like I said, many cannot escape from, this is right? By that statement alone, it sounds like it's not a big deal, and instead we should worry more about the elite of our society than each other. What regulations are you talking about? Gas goes up and up, when oil shoots everywhere. A new excuse each week, and we buy it. How many accidents can happen before people
darky5k1987 3 years ago
realize that it's just an abuse of power? OPEC and these gas giants can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with it. Make any excuse, and people will buy it.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
"Your comparison to free speech makes no sense"
Incorrect.
"What crimes do free speech cause?"
Like capitalism, free speech causes no crimes. ("Encouraging a social class" is not a crime, and capitalism does not do this anyway: social classes exist naturally; if they do not exist, it is only because they have been forcibly suppressed). But like capitalism, free speech can be used to harm others and commit all sorts of crimes.
pudgenet 3 years ago
The only times when legal free speech can be used to hurt anyone, that I can think of, would be used to spread hate. The same kind of thing Neo Nazis use when they rally in a black neighborhood, that sort of thing.
darky5k1987 3 years ago
Yes. Someone can say black people are terrible, and this can cause riots. So, we should ban all speech to make sure no one can misuse speech.
This is your logic: to reduce crime, we should take away people's right to property. This is exactly what you said. So why not take away our right to free speech, too? If you're consistent, you have to.
pudgenet 3 years ago