how would these work against a command throw character like T. Hawk? Would u cross up with knees and then back dash in air and press d lp? WOuld that make you throw a crouching lp if he doesn't do anything and make u dash away if he tries to do his command throws? I'm still kind of confused about how these things work (i.e. when u enter the subordinate commands for the jumping O-S'es) but this is definitely eye-opening.
First of great vid. If you wouldnt mind could you show the motions on an arcade stick for buffering a ex gh i tried following your motions on the vid but i cant get it out or it comes out even if they block. please and thanks
@crapzors yeah, totally. that's one of the reasons this green hand o-s is so sweet! it sets you up perfectly for ultra, 360k, green hand combos, whatever, and it sets up your buffer for 720 motions perfectly as well.
@KuramaElo To do a safe meaty, the opponent's reversal has to start up slower than your fastest meaty normal recovers plus 1 hitting frame.
Gief's fastest-recovering normal is cr. jab, which recovers in 6 frames. But it's not useful unless you time it to hit the opponent if he sits, so add at least one active hitting frame. This means Gief's fastest safe meaty is 7 frames, so the fastest a reversal can be for Gief to safe meaty it is 8 frames. No dragon punch is that slow.
@KuramaElo you can do safe jumps, though. the window for doing a safe jump is smaller, so any reversal attack that starts up in 5 or more frames can be safe jumped. this still doesn't include dragon punches for ryu, ken, akuma, and dan, but it does work on sagat, cammy, and fei.
see the thread i linked in the video and in the sidebar for way more info like this.
@93alvbjo Yep, you can. But I know a couple really really good Abels, and they don't bother with it. One of them tried it a few times in a tournament and messed it up and lost. I don't think it's really worth risking such a hard motion unless you're just about to lose anyway.
Is there anything for Blanca match ups? Because I can't really thinking of anyway of punishing him. Seems like ex-Rainbow roll can pretty much kill everything I dish out for a wake up game...
man shoving my headbutt up that blankas ass on that rainbow roll would have totally fucked his mind. Making him think twice about doing Ex rainbow roll on wake up which would leave so many mix up options open... Again I can't thank you enough.
The dominant option is the fierce splash and the subordinate options are block and then lariat. If splash hits, the next two don't get a chance to come out. If splash whiffs through an invincible move that has quick startup, block is 2nd and comes out. If splash whiffs through a move that has slow startup, block won't happen because there's nothing to block so lariat will come out instead.
Knuckle and ex burning come out fast enough to trigger block. Ex seismo and Fei's chicken wing don't.
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marlonbh1 11 months ago
For safe meatys and safe jumps, how many frames does a special move need to be considered a slow?
alleyesonme101 1 year ago
i wonder if i can do all that in a real fight
umigainsborough1 1 year ago
how would these work against a command throw character like T. Hawk? Would u cross up with knees and then back dash in air and press d lp? WOuld that make you throw a crouching lp if he doesn't do anything and make u dash away if he tries to do his command throws? I'm still kind of confused about how these things work (i.e. when u enter the subordinate commands for the jumping O-S'es) but this is definitely eye-opening.
kensanity 1 year ago
Great work Ultimate David, this will help me a lot for my option select research.
lordofultima 2 years ago
thanks! the late tech thing is soo helpful!
sparty007 2 years ago
First of great vid. If you wouldnt mind could you show the motions on an arcade stick for buffering a ex gh i tried following your motions on the vid but i cant get it out or it comes out even if they block. please and thanks
avj89 2 years ago
Great exps I dont understand it yet but great vid
Omegax9000 2 years ago
4:28 to 5:15
Can you punish those sagat uppercut whiffs with ultra ? Because it's 1 frame, I wonder if sagat would be like a milimiter away from the floor....
crapzors 2 years ago
@crapzors yeah, totally. that's one of the reasons this green hand o-s is so sweet! it sets you up perfectly for ultra, 360k, green hand combos, whatever, and it sets up your buffer for 720 motions perfectly as well.
UltraDavid 2 years ago
Can you do a safe meaty against characters who have a DP?
Also, great video. You've really broken down the fighting game jargon and made it a lot easier to understand.
Thanks!
KuramaElo 2 years ago 3
@KuramaElo To do a safe meaty, the opponent's reversal has to start up slower than your fastest meaty normal recovers plus 1 hitting frame.
Gief's fastest-recovering normal is cr. jab, which recovers in 6 frames. But it's not useful unless you time it to hit the opponent if he sits, so add at least one active hitting frame. This means Gief's fastest safe meaty is 7 frames, so the fastest a reversal can be for Gief to safe meaty it is 8 frames. No dragon punch is that slow.
UltraDavid 2 years ago
@KuramaElo you can do safe jumps, though. the window for doing a safe jump is smaller, so any reversal attack that starts up in 5 or more frames can be safe jumped. this still doesn't include dragon punches for ryu, ken, akuma, and dan, but it does work on sagat, cammy, and fei.
see the thread i linked in the video and in the sidebar for way more info like this.
UltraDavid 2 years ago
Thanks for both replies. I understand now. Frame data is making a lot more sense.
KuramaElo 2 years ago
oh the possibilities. so much stuff to remember. Do you think capcom intended this?
nainqx 2 years ago
This is delicious!
Seventy2NodNarB 2 years ago
1:02 I LOL'ed.
NonRandomUser 2 years ago
you sir, are awesome.
quachified 2 years ago 9
You are a sick sick man. Thanks for this :) I am actually in the arcade now with my laptop on the cabinet, trying this out.
Hakf 2 years ago 12
what about with abel? can you do ARMOR roll? and get out??
93alvbjo 2 years ago
@93alvbjo Yep, you can. But I know a couple really really good Abels, and they don't bother with it. One of them tried it a few times in a tournament and messed it up and lost. I don't think it's really worth risking such a hard motion unless you're just about to lose anyway.
UltraDavid 2 years ago
@UltraDavid ok, got you.
93alvbjo 2 years ago
Is there anything for Blanca match ups? Because I can't really thinking of anyway of punishing him. Seems like ex-Rainbow roll can pretty much kill everything I dish out for a wake up game...
Limited317 2 years ago
@Limited317 watch my video. As soon as UltraDavid approves it, it should be linked here too. Dave?
palmra 2 years ago 2
Wow. You are the man! I wish I knew some of these yesterday. I woulda had some prize money. Thanks alot.
Limited317 2 years ago
man shoving my headbutt up that blankas ass on that rainbow roll would have totally fucked his mind. Making him think twice about doing Ex rainbow roll on wake up which would leave so many mix up options open... Again I can't thank you enough.
Limited317 2 years ago
ma d00?
D1MX 2 years ago
Whats good son. Yap its me Jorrell son. looool I like how you spotted me!
Limited317 2 years ago
pretty dope video. kind of makes me wanna pick up gief
pherai 2 years ago 8
I got a shout out! Hot shit. Great video.
Why doesn't lariat come out against C.Viper's Knuckle or EX burning if the Jump attack whiffs?
palmra 2 years ago 3
The dominant option is the fierce splash and the subordinate options are block and then lariat. If splash hits, the next two don't get a chance to come out. If splash whiffs through an invincible move that has quick startup, block is 2nd and comes out. If splash whiffs through a move that has slow startup, block won't happen because there's nothing to block so lariat will come out instead.
Knuckle and ex burning come out fast enough to trigger block. Ex seismo and Fei's chicken wing don't.
UltraDavid 2 years ago