since tiny nation norway and the west chose to grant peace prize to prisoners up against their own countries so as to subvert local govern't and destabilise other countries, china and other countries re allowed to do the same granting similar peace prize to prisoners up against the west, particularly norway and USA. why not? eyes for eyes and teeth for teeth. when the west can do, china and other countries can do the same as well!! this's fair verdict during peace prize trial!!!court dismissed!!
This is a good discussion. Both sides have good points. 功 能 界 別 to stay or not is not an easy decision. I prefer the government to have more experts, so would like 功 能 界 別 to stay. At least for now.
I think the lady has just hit the nail on the head. All we need is time. It will be done one day. It doesn;t mean we mainland end delay it on purpose. Cuz if u don;t spent time u just can't get the ture fact. Thoes guys from the government, they are experienced in doing thoes things. However if someone is interested in it. u should get prepare by yourself instead of just complaining.
I agree with Mrs. Yip about the "step-by-step" plan when introducing the "Direct Election." HK citizens need to be educated about their rights and knowledges about the elections. For Mr. Wong, since he has quite some knowledge about politics and election procedures, of course his believe has no problem. On the other hand, as a normal citizen, they must be well-educated and step-by-step, moving towords to the final destination, maybe 2020, selecting af governor.of their own.
Any society has to protect its middle-class. 功能組別 is the most effective way to do so. HongKong is the epitome of where middle-class should and can rule. Otherwise a loud mouth like Mr. Wong and his horde can stripe the middle-class of their hard earned wealth.
你根本不懂中国国情,随便说一种社会制度好还是不好是很肤浅的。资本主义国家一天到晚游行示威的民众们也会很欣赏社会主义的某些方面。即使再富裕发达的国度还是会饿死人,也有很多懒人。相对来说,内地贫困地区就连一个一天书都没读过的农民也会fight to survive,而不是在抱怨国家制度的时候等死。共产主义虽然并不完善但却是最适合目前的中国的。
Wong Yuk Man is a total fake. Everything he does is orchestrated to increase his exposure. Whether going crazy or passing off as a learned person, it's all part of his plot to increase his own visibility. Its always about him him him. All sly and calculating. This is the kinda politician that makes me really sick.
Absolutely right. Politicians are by nature liars and hypocrites. But like George Orwell said, some politicians are slyer and more calculated even than the usual bunch. An analogy would be there are murderers and there are SERIAL murderes. Wong Yuk Man is the WORST kinda of politicians, liars and hypocrites.
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纵观全世界,社会主义国家屈指可数,什么社会主义什么共产主义注定要失败的,民主才是当今世界的潮流!!!
CantoneseZHH 1 month ago
英国又活该,我也遭殃,很不错,可以接受。
airwlkr3 1 month ago
香港attack英国is没问题,since最后也只会发现我被报仇完毕,陷害完毕,很不错。
airwlkr3 1 month ago
堉英国也不关我事,因为说穿了也只不过是我被报仇牺牲了。说得好,英国也活该,我也被报仇完毕,很好。
airwlkr3 1 month ago
過度專制有問題,同樣權力全部下放給民眾、沒有制衡亦會令社會失去方向、亦會出現另外的問題。功能組別問題,應理性討論,不能偏頗。
bobbywhite97 4 months ago
2個係度 做戲
yvonne2288 6 months ago
毛澤東 , 大肚公 !
江澤民 , 腰圍大到五呎七 !!
兩條大賊吃盡民脂民膏 !!
中國窮人日日餓到瓜老襯 !!!!
davidcheung2010 7 months ago 3
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黃毓民我吊你老母呀
The584167 11 months ago
说的很好啊,香港在民主方面领先内地太多了
就是要多一些这样的辩论,社会才有进步。像中共这样只允许一种声音的政策只能误国。
liurunruyt 1 year ago 2
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有識之仕 一起加油
raylee141414 5 months ago
有個過程...都有佢道理既
tequila3344 1 year ago
since tiny nation norway and the west chose to grant peace prize to prisoners up against their own countries so as to subvert local govern't and destabilise other countries, china and other countries re allowed to do the same granting similar peace prize to prisoners up against the west, particularly norway and USA. why not? eyes for eyes and teeth for teeth. when the west can do, china and other countries can do the same as well!! this's fair verdict during peace prize trial!!!court dismissed!!
worldadjudicator 1 year ago
老實問心,葉劉冇做官之後,個樣順眼咗!講野似番人話!加油!
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johnshiu63 2 years ago
sure 是共產不是共玩殘? 那富中國式社會主義又是甚麼羊頭狗肉呢? 去了哪? 誰想自已國家亡?會好過些嗎?甚麼奴不奴. 見人見智, 一分耕耘一分收鑊總比坐以袋幣好...... 光辯論;對罵.互相踐踏, 弄個遍體潾傷, 於是無補, 又係笑死鬼......
ringehdingeh 2 years ago
哇,哪來的統戰部代表,奴性這麼重?
"你根本不懂中国国情,随便说一种社会制度好还是不好是很肤浅的"
"随随便 便批评别人是不对的" 對呀,随随便 便批评别人肤浅是好很不对的
"中国每天都在进步,你不 生活在其中就不会知道。" 咦,不在中國生活就不會知道中國每天在進步?
練好自己的邏輯思維才評論吧。
McHongkong1 2 years ago
@McHongkong1 我感兴趣回复这个vedio是因为我喜欢和youtube上的philosophers辩论,it's great to listen to others' opinions, don't make it personally, ok ? cheers.x
coollynne 1 year ago
其实我不想说这些这么大的话的,人真的要务实,一点一滴做起,不好高骛远也不能固步不前。我希望你们也一样,香港人台湾人无论怎么否认,终究都是中国人。我也爱你们,只是政治上的问题以后我们慢慢解决。在伦敦看火炬传递的时候,看到有人拿着free tibet的旗子,我问free Scotland好不好,他们就不出声了。所以希望大家冷静,从实际出发,以后会有解决的一天的。
coollynne 2 years ago
@coollynne 人地反对你,我撐你,因為你從遠大處看事情。有人話要將國家權力交給人民,其實呢樣已經做過一個實驗啦,六四的時候,大學生已經咁樣爭取,後來雖然爭取不到(好彩!),一個二個都管理唔好自己生活。連自己都管理唔好,點能管理國家?
washingzoo1 1 year ago
@washingzoo1 Yo,cheers mate : ) xx
coollynne 1 year ago
事实上共产党已经管理得算好了,很多很小的国家还乱得像沙一样,西班牙,意大利。我们凭什么管理?就凭我是个很爱国的中国人,我的祖国不完美,但我的一切都是这个政府给予的。只有我们这些在这个国度长大的人才最有资格去管理。虽然就算我们愿意也不一定做得好。
coollynne 2 years ago
"但我的一切都是这个政府给予的"
這句說得真妙
你的一切都不是你爸你媽給你的?
試問閣下是那個領導上級的高幹子弟?
是不是你爸媽都這樣說了!?
realkyos 2 years ago
@realkyos 我出生后只经历过一个政府,我所学到的知识和我所认同的世俗理论都是以这个性质的国家为基础的,可能说得深了。我想说的是我对这个政府的基本理念是满意的,我对他让我接受的事物和反对的事物基本上是认可的,因为我不可能说我讨厌共产党或者反对共产党。但他并不完美,任何民主国家都存在一定程度的不平等。他当然也隐瞒了一些事情。
coollynne 1 year ago
@coollynne 搞反了吧,政府的一切是人民赋予的,而不是人民的福利是政府给的。奴性十足。
veryeasy 2 years ago
@veryeasy @veryeasy 我说我的一切都是这个政府给予的是指我的思维方式,我现在成为的这个我,我的思想和理论基础。并不是指日常生活的基本开销,谁都知道基本物质是由抚养着提供的,就算在最社会保障制度最完善的国家瑞士,TOMMY家的牛奶和面包也是爸妈买的,而不是总统送的。
coollynne 1 year ago
@coollynne 好似香港咁,個個都有意見,又隨便發言,甚至用台灣式暴力來表達,而家未有一人一票,已經咁亂,第日有左,罵世界大亂?掟野,燒野,人身攻擊落齊!先搞好民主教育!再民主未遲! 個個看到民主呢個靚西餐,都垂涎三尺!但系姆餐具呢!民主的餐具就系教育,民主習慣!香港弄到市民先有民主習慣,再民主唔遲!
washingzoo1 1 year ago
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凡事都要循序并进,这是自然发展的规律,中国每天都在进步,你不生活在其中就不会知道。我们很多学生都在海外现在,不排除一切是出来waste time的,但是更多的都是在学习西方的长处以致更好地应用到中国的社会背景去的,等到换我们管理了,中国会越来越好的。随随便便批评别人是不对的
coollynne 2 years ago
你們憑甚麼管理?
Feaisian 2 years ago
你不知先有家後有國?
你不知國家的錢不就是人民的錢嗎?
你懂什麼是批判性思想嗎?
我們的批評是想國家好,不是要國家亡
還好意思說自己在外國學人之長之後來管治中國!?
realkyos 2 years ago
政治無永遠的敵人, 況且毓民是世界仔一名.
希望佢有事不要縮沙.不要最終左怕右怕.
KaMingGuo 2 years ago 2
佢地用記真係好利~
mika880829 2 years ago
有 毓 民..........有市場............
jacky003142008 2 years ago
This is a good discussion. Both sides have good points. 功 能 界 別 to stay or not is not an easy decision. I prefer the government to have more experts, so would like 功 能 界 別 to stay. At least for now.
bigtisas 2 years ago
I think the lady has just hit the nail on the head. All we need is time. It will be done one day. It doesn;t mean we mainland end delay it on purpose. Cuz if u don;t spent time u just can't get the ture fact. Thoes guys from the government, they are experienced in doing thoes things. However if someone is interested in it. u should get prepare by yourself instead of just complaining.
coollynne 2 years ago
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I agree with Mrs. Yip about the "step-by-step" plan when introducing the "Direct Election." HK citizens need to be educated about their rights and knowledges about the elections. For Mr. Wong, since he has quite some knowledge about politics and election procedures, of course his believe has no problem. On the other hand, as a normal citizen, they must be well-educated and step-by-step, moving towords to the final destination, maybe 2020, selecting af governor.of their own.
nyting811 2 years ago
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Any society has to protect its middle-class. 功能組別 is the most effective way to do so. HongKong is the epitome of where middle-class should and can rule. Otherwise a loud mouth like Mr. Wong and his horde can stripe the middle-class of their hard earned wealth.
thirty6min 2 years ago
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msytttt 2 years ago
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共产主义及社会主义是注定失败!现在全世界只有五个名字叫共产主义国家的国家.有多少个正在搞资本主义呢?大家心照明白!在共产国家的人民.个个做牛做马.共产党的幹部就大鱼大肉.当年毛泽东的肚子那麽大.中国人民个个都骨瘦如柴. 大家心里就明白了.西方的共产主义和社会主义是不适合中国的!中国共产党应该取消共党专政! 中国才有希望! 人权! 民主! 自由! 平等!
antisocialism 2 years ago
内地有23个省,5个自治区,4个直辖市,加上hk macau,共34个行政单元,每地都有不同之处,你知不知道管理起来有多难。不可能会有制度完全适用于全体行政单位的。
coollynne 2 years ago
coollynne, 烦!每次都是这样说!中国人口太多了;每个国家亦有人贪污,其它的国家不腐败吗?
唉!但我只想说一句!失败无能的中国共产党如果管治不好中国!就自动退位吧!用枪指向人民是得不了长治久安的!
antisocialism 2 years ago 4
正如你所說, 中國國情複雜『管理起来不知有多难』, 那實在太難為中國共產黨了, 不如叫中共把權力交還全體人民共同承擔這重擔吧。
1949best 2 years ago
你根本不懂中国国情,随便说一种社会制度好还是不好是很肤浅的。资本主义国家一天到晚游行示威的民众们也会很欣赏社会主义的某些方面。即使再富裕发达的国度还是会饿死人,也有很多懒人。相对来说,内地贫困地区就连一个一天书都没读过的农民也会fight to survive,而不是在抱怨国家制度的时候等死。共产主义虽然并不完善但却是最适合目前的中国的。
coollynne 2 years ago
禽兽马克思曾经说资本主义最终会变成社会主义和共产主义!但很奇怪!世界好像倒转了!社会主义和共产主义变成了资本主义!禽兽马克思真的很失败!
antisocialism 2 years ago 4
中國原來還在搞共產嗎?That IS something new. 上次我看見大陸那些有錢就大爺的暴發戶跟四川豆腐渣工程、近日番禺的輻射事件、跟屢見不爽的煤礦意外/劣質產品等都在說另一個故事:一個獨裁政體加上極端資本主義的怪物
Feaisian 2 years ago 3
共产主义及社会主义是注定失败!现在全世界只有五个名字叫共产主义国家的国家.有多少个正在搞资本主义呢?大家心照明白!在共产国家的人民.个个做牛做马.共产党的幹部就大鱼大肉.当年毛泽东的肚子那麽大.中国人民个个都骨瘦如柴. 大家心里就明白了.西方的共产主义和社会主义是不适合中国的!中国共产党应该取消共党专政! 中国才有希望! 人权! 民主! 自由! 平等!
antisocialism 2 years ago 47
@antisocialism 我想問下 !! 你估宜家中國系香港咩? 中國有15億人口架,香港得六百幾萬,點比啊! 無中央政府,當年何來民族解放? 何來香港特區政府?當年國民政府就系行資本主義路線,官商勾結,政治腐敗同樣猖狂,也都系無辦法救人們於水深火熱之中啊!米又系一樣唔得!你以為中國今時今日有甘葛發展,唔依靠中央政府,依靠咩啊! 五通依靠香港政府啊·! 用腦林下啦~ 唔好以為你口中葛民主就適合宜家中國先得架~ 唔好用人地葛套來講啦唔該!有邊個國家無經歷過政治腐敗同埋官商勾結啊?中國現時為止都只系個發展中國家,要政治得到改善發展,就要靠足夠個經濟實力,而現時,中國所需葛就系集中發展經濟!那麼政治才能得到相應提高,問題才會得到逐步解決架嘛!人權,民主,自由! 平等! 講梗系講得好聽啦~ 要實驗系需要好長一個歷程架! 唔系凈系講就得架啦~ 如果叫中央政府立即結束政治統治,而好似其他國家一樣實行民主政治,人們有個句講個句,三日唔埋就上街遊行,反對貪污腐敗,反對獨裁,仲來乜嘢經濟發展啊?不如大家去政治辯論好過啦! 唔使食飯啦!
sdenkful 1 year ago
@sdenkful 就让中国人民选一个有能力让世人尊重中国人领导!中国共产党实在太失败了!
antisocialism 1 year ago
@antisocialism 你認為共產黨無能的點是什麽?你的論據是什麽?空口說胡話啊?你看問題能不能全面一點啊!大哥!你認為中國人們真的都想你想的那樣嗎?別傻了你!我從小在大陸接受教育,深知情況,在這個時候,中華民族的偉大復興需要的是共產黨,中國人民實現共同富裕需要的是中國共產黨的領導,而不是每天混亂的局面!共產黨失敗? 還太失敗?! 說你沒知識吧! 一個領導十幾億人的黨,難道做得事情就一定是對的嗎?一定全都合情合理嗎?你給我找一個不失敗的黨出來吧~我想在你眼中,全都是失敗的吧!
sdenkful 1 year ago
@sdenkful 完來您喜歡像64一樣的暴政.....明白明白///..我懂了
hiroipip 1 year ago
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@sdenkful x"一個領導十幾億人的黨,難道做得事情就一定是對的嗎?一定全都合情合理嗎?你給我找一個不失敗的黨出來吧~我想在你眼中,全都是失敗的吧!"
你說的這個問題其實好容易解決,只要多幾個政黨爭取選票以良性競爭換取國家效益,一個黨不行,那就政黨輪換就可以了
HeronOfHeaven 1 year ago
@sdenkful 胡说八道,你简直泯灭良知,中华民族伟大复兴什么了,现在社会矛盾尖锐,政治腐败,司法腐败,强拆抗暴事件层出不穷,这些就是你所谓的复兴??还是乖乖领你的五毛去吧,还混乱的局面,有共产党在就是混乱局面的根源
999604636 1 year ago
@sdenkful 有理。
hashanyuen 1 year ago
@sdenkful 點解香港而家已經有高層次人權? 但大陸連言論自由都無?
tsmenc53 1 year ago
@sdenkful 你除了吃饭还会做什么,你跟动物有何区别,中国今日问题的根源就在于共产党掌握了绝对的权力,绝对的权力必然造成绝对的腐败,那么我想问,这样的经济发展带来的只能是社会的畸形,贫富分化成两级,政治腐败,司法腐败,造成民间无数维权事件,群体事件,这些难道不让我们痛心吗,现在中共政府为了维护他的独裁专制是绝不会主动让中国走向民主,自由,法治的,所以人民需要抗争,否则这样普通民众得不到实惠的所谓经济发展没有任何意义,还有民主就不能经济发展,民主有好的制度经济发展会更健康,你究竟怕什么,香港早已进入现代公民社会,如果说大陆人素质还有待提高这点我承认,但香港差什么呢,早就可以普选啦,,所以这个中央政府害怕呀
999604636 1 year ago 2
你估中國領導人唔知你地點林咩?問題系要實施到先得架~! 政治可以話改就改,話轉就轉咩? 無可否認,面對十五億人口,社會貧富差異大,政治腐敗等問題仍然好嚴重,而日漸進入民心葛民主自由意識亦因此在群眾當中洶湧。其實,中央政府已經不斷系度改變架!現時已經系有人大代表會議,由人民選舉產生的人大代表來代表人民訴說心聲,但系就有人不斷質疑這是一種變相獨裁。我是問聲,十五億人,有十五億種不同林法,五通相議決策葛陣,就15億人一起開會lor喔!林下都知無可能啦!宜家香港米系一樣用立法會議員代表民眾?! 點可以隨便就抨擊中央政府呢種做法? 有無真正正考慮過中國葛實際情況啊?有無真真正正為中國經濟發展林過啊?凈系識得為西方所提倡的民主自由呐喊助威。都無林下你今日葛言論自由從何得來。有心機就唔該你幫下香港解決現時葛民生問題啦!唔同你講甘多,有時林野林實際D啦,空泛的理想主義現時無可能架啦~
sdenkful 1 year ago
@sdenkful 所以我认为中国共产党无能!没有能力管治好中国!没有能力让世人尊重中国人!失败的共产党,你下台吧!
antisocialism 1 year ago
@antisocialism 我小時候對共產黨沒什麼好感, 過了這麼多年, 再想一想, 無錯, 這個共產政權有很多問題, 而且是很嚴重的問題。 好啦, 如果當年無共產黨, 又會點樣? 駛唔駛好似日本咁, 睇美國臉色做人?更慘的仲有, 印巴被人鋸開, 巴爾幹半島又系咁,死的人分分種唔少得過64。想深一層, 國民黨連共產黨都打唔過, 系米抵抗到四方八面的獵鷹?
wc200709 1 year ago 4
@wc200709 有歷史貢獻唔代表我地必須服從bo
chiogeo 1 year ago
@wc200709
你说得不错的!、虽然共产党很糟,但是如果把中共推翻了又会怎样。我看苏联完蛋以后,东欧国家也没有什么好结果。
还是靠和平演变,慢慢争取吧。
daveduvw 7 months ago
@antisocialism 只会叫嚷,为什么97回归时你任人摆布,不去把政权夺回来自己当家,眼金金睇住解放军开入香港。认命啦。
hashanyuen 1 year ago
@antisocialism 你覺得現今的中國還是搞共產主義嗎?
benadsl 1 year ago
@benadsl 我明…極權資本主義囉
chiogeo 1 year ago
every body plx notice msytttt and ezero1997 is the same person
yuen99471996 2 years ago
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奴隶制(共产主义),奴隶主(共产党)拥有奴隶(人民)的制度。奴隶(人民)须为奴隶主(共产党)干活,无报酬,且无人身自由。法律确认奴隶为奴隶主的私有财产,共产主义跟奴隶制也一样,国家所有财产归共产党。人民跟本不可能享受自己生产所得的回报。奴隶主(共产党)对奴隶(人民)握有生杀予夺的权力,可随意奴役、杀害。奴隶(人民)没有独立的人格,没有任何自由和权利。
antisocialism 2 years ago
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人人都o系社民連
中国唔會有新年
人人都o系社民連
解放軍唔準過年
msytttt 2 years ago
eat shit la~~
yuen99471996 2 years ago
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very strange that you like to eat shit
ezero1997 2 years ago
very strange that you like to 分身
yuen99471996 2 years ago
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ezero1997 2 years ago
兩個知識分子講野, 學到唔少野...
csklmf86 2 years ago 6
很有質素的辯論. 普選快慢無標準答案, 大家對外國制度都很有認識.
kiss4idy 3 years ago 8
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Wong Yuk Man is a total fake. Everything he does is orchestrated to increase his exposure. Whether going crazy or passing off as a learned person, it's all part of his plot to increase his own visibility. Its always about him him him. All sly and calculating. This is the kinda politician that makes me really sick.
trent8002003 3 years ago
Tell me one politician that is not "sly and calculated"???
Importman2008 3 years ago
Absolutely right. Politicians are by nature liars and hypocrites. But like George Orwell said, some politicians are slyer and more calculated even than the usual bunch. An analogy would be there are murderers and there are SERIAL murderes. Wong Yuk Man is the WORST kinda of politicians, liars and hypocrites.
trent8002003 3 years ago
節目都幾好0番.......................
jacky003142008 3 years ago 7
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動不動都動手
王"郁人"萬歲!
sunsun2k 3 years ago
講得好Y~果然夠"激"
arRoy666 3 years ago 3
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mad man.........
kenkhan 3 years ago
唔係mad man
係mad dog 癲狗
專咬庸官
SWMTD 3 years ago 3
中央政府強加於港人身上的惡法,我們只餘下大力發聲作為抗爭手段。 兩方立場當然是敵對的。 港人們,請珍惜寶貴的自由!
zakuwant1 3 years ago 15
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有你講,冇人講,惡婆娘黃不文,這是事實啊
e044522 3 years ago
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有你講,冇人講,惡婆娘黃不文,這是事實啊
e044522 3 years ago
YUK MAN,HAHA
380886 3 years ago
呢個女人唔該快快go away
一d都冇香港市民想
dawndawnQQ 3 years ago
其實十分浪費時間和表情,親中和反中的各自有自己的立場,最終只是沒完沒了.
daolanglam 3 years ago 2
"扮"良家婦女, 哈... ^_^
geworfenheit 3 years ago 3
06年Director應該唔駛分兩段上載。一次過20分鐘就得了,而且唔駛驚有人copy你個版權當自己嘅。
Rtt910 3 years ago
yui man . go !go !
siuchunlung 3 years ago 2