Cherokee and Creek people discuss the Allotment Act

[haikuoflife]

awww they're showing my gg grandma's brother C. A. Burris @ 2:32 (where they're saying imbue with egotistism blah blah blah =P)

[Drumlady12]

cherokee and black proud of both.never shun one.

[VideoGriot]

In the beginning of this video it is told how THEY built the first home and built the first farm in Indian Territory. Missing from this story are the slaves that built the first houses; that farmed the first PLANTATIONS of the Cherokee, Creek, Chickasaw, Choctaw and Seminole Nations. Videos like this give a partial view of their/our history.

The Trail of Tears was harsh for all of us!

[Shadowdrak5]

the Cherokee who saved andrew jacksons life, should have killed him the second he got the chance

[RedRiverDreams]

andrew jackson is rotting in hell

along with a few others

[FINISUNIVERSI]

dammit got on the dislike button first went to like after that sorry for that Ahwahneechee

[UnakaWaholi]

I believe we have more natural didasters in this country because of the loss of the Native American's lands.

[devulboy1]

And to end this message: I read about Native American genetic studies sought the Cherokee's origin may came from the southwest (present-day Texas, went up to the Missouri river & settled in the Lake Michigan area). It's thought the Mayan & central Mexican tribes had some genetic link with Iroquoian-Algonkians & Siouan tribes in the northern great plains, whom moved southeast in Ohio & Tennessee valleys. Indeed the Creeks & Choctaws are in the Florida peninsula, but went into Yucatan, Mexico? +

[devulboy1]

The mound builders or Hopewell cultures of the Ohio-Mississippi river valleys were responsible for the construction of earth mounds of Cahokia, east of St. Louis. Were they the ancestors of Choctans & Muskogheans whom migrated to the south about 4,000 yrs. ago? Who knows. I mentioned the French fur traders from the Great Lakes & the Pittsburgh area traveled south across W. Va. to find the Cherokee, since they too came from the north (Upstate NY), but were they of the same "Alkongian" stock? +

[devulboy1]

Are you suggesting the Choctaw, Creeks & others (Suwanee, Timacua, Yuchi, etc.) were actually indigenous to the southern Appalachias? I knew that, the Choctaw & Chickasaw nations lived in the southeast for memory immemorial, perhaps are the descendants of the "Mound builders" of the Ohio river valley over 3,000 yrs. ago. When the Spaniards came to visited the Cherokee in 1545, asked the chieftain about the small mounds seen in the Tennessee river valley, he said "our people didn't build them". +

[Papillonmuscogee]

@devulboy1 the Creek Nation, are the descendants of the mound builders. Remember the Creeks occupied, what is now Georgia.

[Choctawu]

I am sorry but the Cherokee boundaries are North Carolina. I dont see the Cherokees on allottements because they did not receive them.

Please provide the Congressional enactment to give Cherokees allotments. I feel for you but you must tell the truth about who you really are.

You can no longer ride on the coattails of our tribal nations as though you were there or apart of something when you did not exist at those period of time. Halleluyah!

[devulboy1]

Andrew Jackson was a villain in all of this, to forcibly remove the Cherokee & every Native American tribe possible from the east Coast in the Jacksonian era of the 1830s. I say he was definitely racist, thought only white people should have the promised tribal lands & only Indians should be west of the Mississippi. Why did the US government created a huge reservation known as Indian territory, then took away this land in the 1880s & furthermore, to legally made Indians alike "black people"? +

[Choctawu]

The Public Broadcast System, just showed a documentary about Andrew Jackson. They showed the Cherokee helping them to destroy the Creek Indians while Jackson Army waited in the bush for the distraction. Also can you tell of your origin into our lands. The Qualla Boundary 55,000 acres of land and the lost of land to the Choctaws and Creek in the counties that consist of the Cherokee reservation in North Carolina. It is my opinion you are a murder and oppressive group of folks. poof be gone!

[devulboy1]

Did they discussed the revisionist history about Jackson didn't want to eradicate all the American Indians out of the Eastern US? Don't listen to the neo-cons' view of Jackson, although I never knew why he agreed to the Indian removal act, but as a young man Jackson lived among the Creeks (true) & adopted a Creek Indian child as his own then. I knew the Cherokees homeland was in western part of NC, but their nation went into parts of SC, Geo., Tenn., Ala. & Ken. totaled at 100,000 sq. miles. +

[Choctawu]

You are dreaming... Cherokee was granted land by the Choctaw Nation, it was never that amount. What has happened is colonization and census, which disenfranchised Choctaws from, land and status.

[ScarlettKnights]

@devulboy1 "Neocon's view" are you fu--ing joking; Jackson

was an asshole democrat! He lived amongst, used and murdered

"Indians!"

[Choctawu]

These are truth but most of us still have

the allotted lands and are the descendents of the allottee. Many of these tribes genealogy can not go back to

the allottee because they are fake impersonators of the original tribes which are still in their original lands.

Who told them to go to Oklahoma?

Are they that weak they do what they are

told by Europeans?

They are not the people of the tribes they speak of.

[devulboy1]

The allotment acts of 1870's & 1890's displaced Cherokee, Choctan & Creek farmers, while the families turned into poor sharecroppers. This was an atrocity against the peoples of Indian territory, also put them in a difficult place in the 1930's when the dust bowl struck much of Oklahoma & the Plains states. About a majority of Cherokees & Native Americans left OK for Cal., the urban Midwest & Northeast by the start of WWII as a result. It may explain why so many Cherokee live all over the US. +

[Papillonmuscogee]

@Choctawu, seriously? Your comment.

[gblueslover2]

ALL humans are tribal. It doesn't take much effort to notice that we all from groups and comepte with each other- This is in our evolutionary make-up. "Us against THEM" is the common behavior we are all very capable of. So when historians or anyone esle refers to a certain group as being " tribal" the fact remains is that we are ALL tribal. History proves it, over and over and over again...

[omarlyn]

if we all will notice...the so-called cherokees where Muurs.. so called Black people...this is just a flash in Muurish history...

[devulboy1]

I'm not sure the racial composition of Cherokees are lost/ stranded Moors from Morocco, there are other theories on the Cherokee are Galicians (Portuguese of northern Spain) to connect what some anthropologists felt they had connections with Celts of western Europe. Cherokees are also once thought to be a lost tribe of Israel, but DNA test studies of full-bloods confirm they don't have Hebrew, Semitic or Palestinian DNA. :-/ Whether or not the Cherokee are part-blacks/Spaniards, it beats me. +

[BrenBrat5]

I love the Cherokee people, they are so down to earth and real! Not like so many of the plastic people I've known. My maw maw used to show me very old pictures of my cherokee ancestors. I have always felt drawn to them.

[cherokeeghost]

If we fail to learn from history, we are doomed to repeat the past.

[onetrickpony420]

yep and Obama is going to do the same thing to white people

[MessianicAniyunwiya]

A terrible blemish in our history!

[freedomfriesu]

Im doing my best to graduate and get out of Oklahoma so you can atleast have that back...

[devulboy1]

The Cherokee are also divided into two halves, the Eastern half based in Swain county, North Carolina to escaped the trail of tears & managed to become a federally recognized tribe in 1934, and the western half (the majority) based in Ok., Ark., Ks., Mo., Tex. & found in all 50 states (the most happens to be in Cal.) & several countries: Mexico, Canada or South America. The last one is true, Joaquin Murrieta the Californian bandit in the 1850's is from Chile but had a half Cherokee mother. +

[starontopofthetree]

the worst part now is dropping the membership to one-sixteenth blood. That means 15 foremothers (and fathers) were another race. That's almost more than I can take sometimes.

[devulboy1]

Honestly, I'm not a tribal member nor don't seek any, although I'm of part-Cherokee/Osage Indian ancestry from my Mom's paternal side born & raised in Skiatook north of Tulsa in the 1920s. I did genealogical study of Lenape & Shawnee entering my Western Cherokee family in 19th century Oklahoma. I knew I was part Indian at age 6 in part of growing up in So. Cal. where I wasn't sure my ethnicity was Mexican or Japanese, though my Dad is from France & I might as well be a (half) French-American. +

[dagger4ureye]

Thank you for this video! I am part cherokee and part white devil- and this part of History is so important

[devulboy1]

To be 1/4, 1/5, 1/6th, whatever the very screwed up practice of blood quantum I am to be legally classified Indian (then I don't want the census to declare me or my Mom "not white" either). She knew of her Cherokee Indian ancestry when she grew up in the L.A. area in the 1950s/60s, a different time when everyone wanted to be "white" or "American", except the prevalent racism made it difficult for her to identify as Native American. I don't like racism, in part of what my family's experiences. +

[Papillonmuscogee]

@dagger4ureye, lol "part white devil"

[corleywalsh]

im part cherokee on my dads side an we are a kick ass tribe

[Brodavidbrayboy]

I love this.

[OrgManeuvDark]

compare their plight to the black myth of Spanish brutality on the First Nations of the Western Hemisphere, before I studied this I innocently believed in some ideals but the misfortune of the Cherokee nation illustrates that even Americanization was not a guarantee of survival for the Amerindian...

[cherokeeghost]

Much understood OrgManeuvDark, what you said is true. It' a fact, our government today hates us more than you could imagine. I am an advocate but we must let our voices heard or it is a waste of time. But, ytou are Cherokee and I know your answer.

[OrgManeuvDark]

i erroneously wrote the black legend instead of the black myth. i'm ashamed that there has always been a tendency to annihilate First Nations. Type Bombarding Guernica, you will witness the extermination of thousands of Basque civilians during the Spanish Civil War. i am also an advocate of peace and harmony-- it should start at home. Sometimes our homes are a battlefield and that is also shameful. Peace!

[cherokeeghost]

True, very true! Everybody needs to do their part no matter how much it hurts to do our part. I agree with you very much! It is always harder to start at home, sometimes we must branch outward to others to get greater support. Peace also to you and thank you for your comment.

[devulboy1]

The Spanish were the first to visited the Cherokee, surprisingly they didn't destroy the Cherokee, unlike the Aztec, Maya, Inca, Hopi, Zuni, Pueblos & other indigenous peoples in Latin America. Then came the French from Canada to followed the ancient Iroquoians' nomadic migration south to the Appalachias, yet the relationship is comparably peaceful didn't destroy them either. And finally British settlers from the Carolinas whom revolted in the American revolution to become the USA to did this. +

[matrox999]

the only native in me is creek and cherokee and the rest is irish and scotish

[sueyetta]

where can I find the rest of this program. Thank you for uploading this :)

[coopermania]

desperatley hard to view. Very emotional and sad to hear what happened. I am not Native, I am Scottish. I wish all your people well and for the future. Coop.

[devulboy1]

My great-grandmother is full-blooded, but I never found her on the Dawes rolls. Her husband is 1/4 Cherokee with a Scottish surname, since many Cherokee/Osage intermarried with Scottish, Irish & Welsh settlers (to explain the so-called Celtic connections). I was curious to find (but didn't) any African-American ancestry when the tribe kept slaves or the family worked aside free blacks in farms. The Civil war devastated the Cherokee when the tribal nation allied themselves with the Confederacy. +

[NapaLuvsDY]

Thank you for this, it is important to remember what happened and through adversity, the Cherokee Tribe has sustained it's dignity.